/fa/ - Fashion

First for case swapped neptune

>>15477801
Unironically yes, these proportions look great.

>>15477801
way too big

So I got this watch in 2006 and I recently had it's battery changed. When I got it back, I noticed that there was some gunk around the clasp and within the links, and I figured I would clean it.

I asked the watchman who changed the battery if I could clean it myself. He said it was easy, just some soapy warm water and a toothbrush will do the trick.

So I just finished cleaning it.... and the sapphire crystal case just popped right off....

Now, I'm just going to assume that after many years, the glue that was holding it in place dried out and was worn down, and the final nail in the coffin was a scrubbing with soapy water. But I still feel like an idiot.

Thankfully, the watch still runs. It doesn't seem like any of the internals are busted or anything like that. Just that the sapphire came off and exposed the dial face, along with showing off some of the dried glue beneath it.

Is it an easy fix to put the sapphire back on? I figure I may as well go back to the watchman for this seeing as I fucked up cleaning it, lol.

>>15477831
A cheap quartz shitter is cheaply made.

I'm shocked.

>>15477835

It's been 16 years, anon. Any mechanical watch would have needed servicing/replaced parts years before that.

>>15477831
clean off all the adhesive residue (important) with a q tip and lighter fluid

then i'd just use superglue or epoxy whatever

>>15477810
>>15477811
showed a small 34mm watch to my buddy
he said it looks like a ladies watch :(
"its so small lmao!"

>>15477801
>THE CORRECT SIZE EDITION
REMINDER: THE CORRECT SIZE FOR A REAL MAN IS MINIMUM 40MM ANYTHING UNDER THAT IS A WOMANS WATCH

>>15477831
You could just superglue or epoxy it back on or overpay someone to do it.

>>15477858

Impossible to be a woman's watch if it's on a man. Axiomatically so.

>>15477801
have had my eye on this for my first watch for so long. someday I'll get one.

What are some high tier brands that are lesser known but still really good?
Like, obviously PP, VC, AP don't count. But Rolex, Omega, IWC and Breitling project a certain image for the wearer that I don't like.
I want a high quality watch with great build quality and movement that isn't a flex brand, but rather one that a watch enthusiast would see on your wrist and want to ask you about, while others may never know you have a 5k watch on your wrist.
What are some brands?

>>15477858
>40mm
>psssh nothin personnel kid

>>15477858
It's all relative to your wrist size. If you have small wrists you can wear a 38 and look just like a bigger person wearing a 42

>>15477915
Ulysse Nardin

Also, no normies know any non-fashion watch brand that isn't Rolex. They may, at most, know Omega simply due to the 007 marketing. But that's it.

>>15477915
those brands are not the same tier
AP PP VC is part of haute horologie
rolex omega breitling is "entry luxury"

>>15477915
Pretty accurate tier list

https://www.watch-rankings.com/watch-rankings/

For me, it's A. Lange & Sohne for ultra luxury, Glashutte Original for luxury.

>>15477915
>But Rolex, Omega, IWC and Breitling project a certain image for the wearer that I don't like.
Like what?

>>15477935
>shinola under entry luxury
shit list

>>15477921
Great reading comprehension. He said AP PP VC don't count

>>15477920
https://www.chrono24.com/ulyssenardin/index.htm?dosearch=true&query=Ulysse+Nardin

lmfao are you kidding me, these are literal mall shitters

>>15477937
That you're a lawyer or doctor or some wealthy businessman, generally.
Normies know Rolex and they think they're some super luxury item, even if they're not.

>>15477915
>I want a high quality watch with great build quality and movement that isn't a flex brand, but rather one that a watch enthusiast would see on your wrist and want to ask you about, while others may never know you have a 5k watch on your wrist.

The classic in this regard is Grand Seiko.

External finishing (case, hands, dial, indices) is the absolute best in the entire watch industry (better than PP, VC, AP etc.), and most of the movements have Rolex-tier finishing.
Normies will hear Seiko and not think twice about it again.

>>15477941
What makes something a "mallshitter"? Or is it just anything that you don't like?

>>15477946
Brash, flashy oversized designs that are a mish-mash of different design cues.

Like chronos with a diving bezel and differently-sized subdials and shit.

>>15477946
retarded flashy designs where everything is just slapped together with no regard for anything, they look like when Homer built a car in that one Simpsons episode

>>15477945
this desu
nobody will know what a GS means unless they are into watches
and the polishing is perfection
if only more GSes came under 40mm

>>15477838
Of course they would need servicing but they would not have the sapphire pop out with a light wash.

>>15477945
> External finishing (case, hands, dial, indices) is the absolute best in the entire watch industry (better than PP, VC, AP etc.),
Wrong. They are better than their competitors at that price point (Omega, JLC, Breitling, Rolex etc) but their finishing isn't better than the trinity. Their movements certainly aren't. They spend all their effort on the dial.

>>15477970
>but their finishing isn't better than the trinity
They absolutely are.

Cases by the trinity are typically buffer wheel polished with some character lines and MAYBE some brushing.
Hands on the trinity are almost always outsourced, and they NEVER actually finish the sides of them.
Hell, you have to look long and hard to find a set of trinity hands that isn't just mass buffed on the tops.

Meanwhile GS cases are faceted to perfection (see pic), with a lot more different differential brushing/polishing.
And obviously the polishing is a LOT better than on the trinity thanks to the tin plate polishing machines GS uses.

Pretty much the only exception is the Royal Oak, which also uses a tin plate polishing machine and more differential brushing/polishing.
You could say the Royal Oak is pretty much the only trinity watch that matches Grand Seiko in terms of case finishing.
The finishing of the hands on the Royal Oak is once again basic bitch-tier.

Suggest a watch for me.
> Your budget
Under $1000 would be chill

> Watch type, e.g. dress, diver, pilot
GMT

> Movement, e.g. automatic, hand wound, quartz
Automatic would be chill
> Desired features, e.g. water resistance, day/date, 2nd time zone
I'd like a second hour hand that I can set to a different time zone. If it came with a 24 hour fixed bezel that would be chill -- but it isn't necessary.

> Preferred strap option, e.g. leather, nylon, bracelet
Leather or Metal

> Wrist size or desired watch size
Largest I'll go is 43mm. Anything under that is perfectly fine.

>>15477984
You want it dressy, divey, piloty, etc?

>>15477801
>guy with 34mm watch
Stacey: He looks like a dweeb...and what is that hat and coat he is wearing? looks like something my grandfather would wear
Miley: Yea look at his dorky tortoiseshell glasses too..
Stacey: He keeps fiddling with his watch, whats he doing?
Miley: I dont know, what a weirdo lmao. Anyway, did that guy from the club last night message you?

>guy with 44mm watch
Stacey: Oh wow..look at that handsome hunk over there
Miley: He is so muscular and suave! look at his slicked hair. I love men with stubble
Stacey: He kinda looks like Henry Cavill haha...grrrr *bites lip*
Miley: You know, I bet that black BMW outside is his
Stacey: oh god he is looking at us, eek! play it cool play it cool

>>15478001
I can't believe you took the time to actually type up that retarded post

>>15478000

>Divey
Not really. I want a functional bezel if it were to have one. So if it does have a bezel, I'd prefer a 24h markation on it that I can use in reference to the GMT hand. If not, no bezel (I think diving bezels are dumb since they go unused and take up so much space).

So if it doesn't have a usable bezel, then give me dress.

>Piloty
This does not exist. There is no category for "pilot watch". Only divers have an actual distinction and certifications that go with it.

>>15478001

Boomers and incels need to leave.

>>15478011
>>Piloty
>This does not exist. There is no category for "pilot watch". Only divers have an actual distinction and certifications that go with it.

>>15478015

The most "pilot" a watch can be is one with an extra hour hand for switching between timezones. All other "pilot styled" watches are purely for larping and were not actually used/or are useful for pilots.

Are you actually unaware of this?

>>15478011
>pilot watches do not exist

>>15478004
>>15478012
t. tortoiseshell wearing dweebs

Anyone know w2c an amphibia branded strap like pic related?

>>15478022

You have posted a regular watch, anon. I didn't realize that a pilot's watch was one that simply told the time and had no other complications. Or are you saying that it's a pilot's watch simply because it was worn by a pilot?

Nothing inherent to this watch is "for pilots". Unlike a dive watch which has water-proofness and a diving bezel and lume -- things that you can make use of underwater; this watch has nothing about it that makes it different than any other basic watch.

This may as well be a fucking diving watch, just worn by a pilot. Would that make it a pilot watch?

>>15478021
Buddy, see >>15478022

Those were watches specifically designed and built for pilots/airmen. In the 1930s, no less.

Also, pic related is the very first navitimer.
See that logo?
That's not the Breitling logo, it's the logo of the AOPA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_Owners_and_Pilots_Association
Because the AOPA requested this watch.
And here's the kicker: this model came out before the quintessential dive watch (Fifty Fathoms/Submariner).

>>15478033
>You have posted a regular watch, anon.
>Or are you saying that it's a pilot's watch simply because it was worn by a pilot?

Flieger watches were designed especially for pilots, turbopleb.

>>15478033
>This may as well be a fucking diving watch
are you stupid or unaware? this isnt a diver as there is no rotating bezel
the design language is apparent what a traditional flieger is
>sharp bold markings and numerals for maximum visibility in low light
>little or no clutter on the dial
>upward arrow at 12 to be used a solar compass
>extra long minute and seconds hand that goes close to the edge
>extra big crown to ease usage with gloves
>on leather strap due to temperature variation in cockpit

>but but larp
so are divers, nobody actually dives with divers anymore now

>>15478001
well memed my friend

>>15477981
>Hands on the trinity are almost always outsourced
no way, if you can back that up I'm actually disgusted

>>15477858
I know you're just pretending to be retarded but I've seen (presumably) fat boomers on WUS unironically say this.

>>15477915
JLC, Glashütte original, breguet, zenith, cartier some models. Roger Dubuis.

>>15478060
This is mentioned regularly in many publications.

Here's something I found after a few seconds of googling:
>Fiedler SA fournit en 2005 les maisons Rolex, Patek Philippe, Vacheron Constantin, Audemars Piguet, Piaget, Harry Winston, Baume & Mercier, Omega, Longines, Roger Dubuis, entre autres.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiedler_(entreprise)

This part talks about 2005, but know that by 2014 this Fiedler company produced nearly twice as many hands compared to 2005.
>3,5 millions d’aiguilles sont vendues annuellement en 200511, 4 millions en 200612, plus de 6 millions en 2014.

So it's safe to say that list of clients is still very much accurate today.

>>15478033

>3 fucking paragraphs on why that pilot watch is not a pilot watch

But it is a pilot watch, anon.

I for one am much more annoyed by diver larping.
Do you really need 300m of water resistance for going to the office and shopping for groceries?
Like you're gonna bust into a scuba dive at any moment. 100m is more than good enough for swimming and even snorkeling, but noooo. Diver fags need their rotating bezels and lume to feel like a big strong man.
Just wear a fucking dress or sports watch like a normal person. Or just get a g-shock.

>>15478071
>100m is more than good enough for swimming and even snorkeling
100m is enough even for hardcore divers.

Did you see that documentary about the oil rig diver who was stuck on the bottom of the North Sea for 30 minutes with only 6 minutes of oxygen?
That was at 100m of depth. And they were using shit like pressure chambers and diving bells.

But these 300m+ dive watches are more about watch heritage. I applaud and support them.

>>15478071

>Divers
>Not sport watches

The 50s are over, they are not actually tools anymorem

>Just get a G-shock
Get a 128-feature watch because a diver has too many features?

>>15478074

Most 100m watches don't have screw down buttons and crowns, so while it's ok to go swimming in them but going off the diving board, or activities like surfing or boarding are not recommended.

>>15478081
>Most 100m watches don't have screw down buttons and crowns
Well I'm talking about the actually certified dive watches.

Without certification, depth ratings are more symbolic. Like 30m essentially meaning "good enough to wash your hands".

>>15478071
Tastes change. People nowadays like divers for their looks and wear Subs with suits.

>>15477858
If it's below 40mm, it's a respectable ladies' watch.
If it's between 40 and 50mm it's a tryhard faggot watch.
If it's above 50mm, it can be called a man's watch.

>>15478089
Would you wear your 1000m water-resistant polish diver with a suit?

>>15478091
I, too, enjoy cosplaying as yu-gi-oh

>>15478095
>polish diver
That watch is brushed, not polish.

>>15478098
o kurwa I didn't realize

>>15478067
So what? Good dial hands are actually very tricky to produce so having specialised firms makes sense. Because of how the watch industry evolved in Switzerland components were always build that way. Hell its how most products are produced in the world today. Only the final build stage happens 'locally'. The Japanese had no other choice. If they wants to produce hands they had to do it themselves, there was no pre-existing watch manufacturing industry or history.

Also fun fact: AP make most of the cases for ALS and they get praised highly.

>>15478102
>Good dial hands are actually very tricky to produce
>so having specialised firms makes sense

Protip: even these "specialized firms" can't really do it right.
See pic.

>>15478095
I wouldn't because I'm not a fucking retard.

>>15478104
I dgaf for a single cherry picked image. I've personally used macro lenses on many high end watches and they never look like that in my experience. Never trust the internet.

>>15478109
>I dgaf for a single cherry picked image
They're all like that.

Here's lange.

>>15478098
one fag is faggier than the other, /fa/ is like a different dimension
mesmerizing

>>15478111
I don't know who you are trying to convince? No once takes macro shots when buying a high end watch.

>>15478120
The sides of those hands are untouched.
The hand gets stamped out of a sheet of metal, then the top of the hand is polished with a buffer wheel.
And that's the hand done.

And when the light hits the edge, you see the light-dappled serrations.

>>15478121
> muh nipon is the bestest ever
You like anime don't you?

>>15477935
>RW Smith in the ultra luxury tier
How does a brand less than 20 years old make it into recommended $40,000+ watches?

>>15478123
GS actually finishes its hands, yes.

Even Dufour doesn't give two shits about the finishing on his hands and indices.

>>15478124
>all the watches are $100,000 and up
Explain pls
I assume an identical watch with the same movement, materials etc. without the name would cost $10,000 at MOST

>>15478126
Buddy, pretty much all the parts of that watch are made from scratch. From the case to the little gears and cogs.

>>15478102
>So what?
They make the most expensive watches in the world. They probably have a profit margin of 90% and still feel the need to outsource parts to cut corners. There's a reason some people call the swiss mountain jews.

>>15478132
The hands are also boring.
They're what you actually look at the most, and they're just flat, stamped bits of metal with a rudimentary polish on the top.

>>15478135
Based and clockpilled.

i want to have passionate sex with her. i want to bite her ear tenderly while I'm going deeper inside her womb with my veiny cock. i want her to moan from pure pleasure when our body fluids mix and our bodies become one. i want her to whisper in my ear "buy a german watch and i'll give you german sons, fierce and brave". and when i'm about to come she would tangle her legs around my mine and force me to impregnate her

>>15478031
custom maker
one-second-closer. com

the straps you can see but no longer in stock

i love her

>>15477941
>>15477920
>Ulysse Nardin
Guys is this a meme? I just looked through all 29 pages, up to 1mil in price, and it all looks like utter shit? Which oen would you say is good?

>>15478125
I'm with Dufour t.b.h If you can't see it with the naked eye then no fucks should be given.

>>15478176
You can see the rough edges when the light hits them.

Also, unfinished hands are just boring.

>>15478174
UN are not good. They doing some wierd models like the Freak which is (technically ) different but their normal models are nothing special. Most of their customers came from Russia but that market died and now they hardly sell anything.

>>15477984
https://www.jomashop.com/glycine-airman-vintage-the-chief-gmt-automatic-black-dial-mens-watch-gl0246.html

>>15478178
Unless they are as rough as the damn Alps you see nothing. As for thinking they are boring well that's just your opinion.

>>15478180
>24h GMT
At long last someone does it right.

>>15478180
Nooo, that's a pilot gmt, they don't exist

>>15478181
>Unless they are as rough as the damn Alps you see nothing
if they're as rough as this: >>15478111 >>15478104
then they're very easy to see under certain lighting.

Do you even own a single watch?

>>15478187
... said no-one ever in the history of humankind.

>>15478189
I own almost 40 from various brands and I can honestly say I've never seen a single flaw on any hand in any lighting.

>>15478195
Congrats on your selective blindness.

I bet you can't see the difference between the anglage on a Chinese chrono and a Lange with the naked eye either, huh?

>>15478161
>>15478162
>>15478156
Her arms have so little hair on them, it's really hard to take her seriously.

>>15478197
Don't be a twat. There are several orders of magnitude in size difference between anglage and the micron sized flaws on a hand.

>>15478199
No there aren't.

Is this true?

https://youtu.be/04z3tbbwx9A

>>15478198

she's perfect.

>>15477376
Alright, so we're now running at -237 s/d. I'm going to nudge the big arm back over to the left and see what happens.

>>15478215

>>15478192
Anon above said it

>>15478011
>Only divers have an actual distinction and certifications that go with it.
there are pilot watches with low pressure specs

>>15478215
My Amphibia runs at +29 s/d, I'm gonna do some regulation done myself

>>15478215
>>15478233
My working theory is that the big arm is for course adjustment and the small arm is for fine adjustment. I'm going to try to bonk the big one into a workable place and then tune the small one.
Be careful!

>>15478124
>one of, if not the best watchmaker in the world.
>worked with legend George Daniels
>everything handmade using old school machines.
>makes like 10 or less watches per year
>years long waiting list.
Why wouldn't he charge those prices if he can.

>>15478208
How can a woman with almost hairless arms be perfect?

>>15478208
you know all her hair is down there

>>15478252
Not really, if she doesn't have hairy arms she's not very hairy anywhere else either. It's the best indicator, that and eyebrows and facial hair if they don't remove it.

>>15478252
stop arousing me even more

>>15478244
>she loves watches
>is a german
>cute accent
>cute face
>her vag smells like pheromones

>>15477642
Only one correct answer

>>15478215
>>15478223
>>15478233
>>15478242
You fucking idiots stop messing up your watch. The "big arm" is the mobile stud carrier and it is not meant to be touched unless you know what you're doing. Unless it's in the exact right place the oscillation of the balance wheel will be out of whack and you'll never get good timekeeping.

Only make tiny adjustments to the small arm. Pushing it toward the big arm slows the watch down by making the hairspring effectively longer, and vice versa.

>>15478304
Yeah I found a photo I took of the movement before I touched it so I'm going to put the big arm back there, thanks for the advice.

>>15477917
>when your watch is bigger then your wrist

Lol do yourself a favor and get a smaller one so you don't like 14 year old

are black/gunmetal dive watches /fa/ or is it mallninja shit?

>>15478341
Not a fan, personally.

>>15478341
will scratch unless its some special meme coating so you have to be careful

>>15478341
Looks like shit if you're pasty white like in your pic

>>15478341

>Kinetic

I don't know why, but I think this sucks without ever having owned or handled one.

look at this. fucking. dial.

>>15478091
>4 (four) timezones
clearly this beautiful watch is meant for a stylish global jetsetter. A gentleman with fine taste in watches. "Only The Brave" indeed.

>>15478341
Unfortunately they will get fucked up really fast.

I want the black titanium G-Shock but I know it will look like shit in a month.

>>15478091
You are obviously a nigger. Huge watches are "hey, look at how big my dick is(not)" faggotry.

>>15478337
It's 50mm.
Like i said
>nothin personnel kid

>>15478132
word

Looking to buy my first watch that's more expensive then a Fitbit knock off, I really like the Mako II and am thinking about getting this Pepsi looking one. You guys think this will look fine for casual, and business casual settings; or should I go with the plain blue face?

>>15477941
UL realised a while back that their best chance to stick around during the hard times was to heavily market towards the one demographic that was still buying (their) watches:
Cashed up Russian oligarchs and their associated hangers on. Hence all the hideously gaudy fucking shit that's been churned out in the last 15 years by them. Then bad times got to Russia, sanctions, etc., and they lost their market and are now fucked again. Have been before wuflu was even dreamt about. Well, nowadays everyone except rolex is fucked so whatever.

>>15478423
I prefer to keep my dress and tool watches separate, but that can definitely be dressed up In a pinch. Could always get one of Orient's Bambino watches as well for formal dress. They go for $50-$75 secondhand, $105-$130 new.

>>15478403
Like I said it looks silly when your watch is wider then your fucking arm.

>>15478341
Most of those coatings are pretty cheap. Something along the lines of PVD. If you can find one with something like a diashield coating they may hold up alright. Aesthetically, there's nothing wrong with a black tool watch. Not my personal preference but to each their own.

>>15478433

>>15478433

For certainly I been eyeing up the Bambino for more formal looks, I figure the Mako might make for a good all rounder to start, then if I grab a Bambino later that can be my dress watch and I'll swap the band on the Mako for something more casual.

>>15478442
Dude don't buy a kid's watch if you're wearing a real suit (past high school functions etc)

>>15478126
But nobody will make an identical movement.
Even swatchmega knew this when they tried to mass produce a coaxial escapement movement.
The only way to do it is the way Daniels/Smith do it, how it was originally designed to be: make the entire movement out of gold. Everything else is a compromise that negates the whole reasoning behind and the beauty of the escapement on the first place, hence why omegas's, really eta's, co-ax interpretation has been such a shitshow since it was introduced.

Only one other maker uses gold movements and that's Journe, another niche independent brand that costs the sky but he's using gold "just because" not because his movements require the physical properties of gold to function in the first place. Well, maybe his resonance movement does.

>>15478442
The Kamasu is the ultimate all purpose Orient, dressy, diver and casual.

Thoughts?

>>15478423
purists will frown upon such a thing (dress divers lul) but sure, why not esp if its casual

life is too short and things exist to make you happy

>>15478455
Not a big fan but I can see the appeal.

>>15478257
> she's married

>>15478256
How old are you? The last time I heard someone talk like that publicly the guy was arrested for pedo prostitution.

>>15478304
This. The stud holder moves so people who know what they're doing can correct things like beat error (balance swings further one way than the other because the impulse jewel is not centered in the neutral position).
>>15478327
Your watch probably has an insane beat error now, and it's hard to fix completely without a timegrapher.

>>15478423
>face
you mean bezel, face is the inner part
bezel is the rim

>>15478454
Pic rel

>>15477915
Zenith

>>15478468

Thank you.

>>15478444

Shit does that Mako look like a kids watch with the red on the bezel? I wasn't sure, I still kinda dig it.

>>15478454

Fuck that's gorgeous.

>>15478475
Over priced and ugly. Only a brand today by trading on the fact they made one good chronograph movement 50 years ago.

>>15478341
It will scratch and wear off & probably look shitty. Having said that the wear looks quite cool on Karl Lagerfeld's Royal Oak.

>>15478477
Buy an El primero rainbow, those aren't ugly and they are 'vintage'.

Why is it so aesthetic, bros?

>>15478503

What Seiko is that?

>>15478504
SARX035

So I have pic related and want to add a link to the titanium strap.
I've seen that the number of the links that are actually on the strap is even between the top strap part and the bottom.
Now; when adding a link, where is recommended to put the "odd" one?
Thanks

>>15478537
fml

>>15478537

The inside part of the bracelet, one closest to your chest whilst on the wrist, should always be shorter.

Any suggestions?
>>15471503

>>15478651
Outside of the SARB, not really to my knowledge. On paper it's big for a dressy watch, but they've done a good job shrinking the lug-to-lug distance so it wears closer to a 39mm watch. It's a lot of face-to-case. For a pure dress/formal watch it's a little large, for a do-all every occasion watch it's a good size. With how much detail they've put into the dial and finish, it's actually pretty good in size. Really shows off the fine detail.

>>15478496
On those black coated watches, the more wear, the better they look, a couple of scratches will look bad, many of them will give the watch a very different rugged look.

>>15478467
Guess I'm buying a timegrapher

Just bought this stunner for 20euro, what do you think effay, did I do good?

>>15478725

>>15478455
Love it but would get a DJ over it if I had the money.

>>15478205
Hello Jory.

>>15478730
w2c Rinne Sharingan watch?

>>15477831
>soapy water

If it gets to the gaskets it will attack them. Did he tell you to take the bracelet off before cleaning? Of course one time won't do harm but i wouldn't expose old gaskets to soapy water anyway. It's not recommended to shower regularly with your diving watch, soap is not good for it.

>>15477849
And? Wear it, nobody will care. Friend of mine wore his gfs ladies watch for a few days on vacation. You stop noticing after a day, it doesn't look out of place.

>>15477801
This cunt needs to learn how to properly wear a watch because that’s not where they’re supposed to rest.

>>15478446
>make the entire movement out of gold

What's the purpose of that? Does gold wear down less or is it easy to fabricate watchparts out of it, due to softness? Weren't some cogs made from softer materials on purpose so they get worn down from the harder cog and replaced?

>>15478180

Very nice, anon. But I don't understand how this watch is being sold on that website for >$500...? If it retails for over $2000?

I don't really make many purchases online, and I have never purchased anything online that wasn't from a brand's "official retailer/website". So I don't have the greatest trust with shit like that. Is that site reputable? Could that watch actually be sold at 1/4 MSRP?

>inb4 boomer
I'm 28. I just still prefer to try things on myself and purchase in store.

>>15478446

Gonna need some more info on this, anon. Right now it sounds like you fell for the marketing.

>>15478446
I thought that the current generation of coaxial movements from omega fixes the issues that the first generation had and they are reliable now.

>>15478853
It's called a grey market retailer. They aren't an authorized dealer and the watch does not come with a factory warranty, it probably comes with a warranty from jomashop themselves. Jomashop seems to have a decent reputation, I don't think they are selling factory seconds or anything like that. There is such a huge disparity between msrp and grey market prices on many watches because the msrp is so much higher than the watches actual value.

>>15478156
>>15478198
>>15478208
>>15478244
>>15478252
>>15478257
>>15478256

If yous have ever watch a video, you would know alot of the wrist shots are on her husband wrist.

Not really watch related, but since what I'm needing is essentially a (dive) watch casing, I figured I'd ask in my home general:
I need a waterproof ((real) 50m WR ought to be enough, so essentially a better IP68), metal capsule which essentially has the same form and size (round, less than 40mm diameter, less than 20mm flat, screwable caseback) as a watch.
Since there's dozens of micro-shitters doing one dive watch after another (with saphire window and a crown and lugs) for not that much money, and since there's the Chinese or BOCTOK that sell divers (including a (shitty) bracelet and a movement, and a dial) for way less than €100, this should be a really easy thing to do, it seems.
What kind of company would even do such a thing? (CNC milling?) and what kind of prices can I expect? Can I get that from China? Where do I even start?

>>15478916
why on earth

>>15478916
>Can I get that from China?
you can get anything from china
https://www.parniswatch.pro/index.php?route=product/category&path=74_75
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32829740391.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32846750866.html
you can get bezels, hands, all that jazz

>>15478174
>Which oen would you say is good?
easy. They've go a bunch of good ones.

>>15478174
I found this one, while replying to a guy from last thread who was asking about archie luxury and his words about nardin.
They have funky looking models but also pretty conservative ones with neat little details. This one looks good. Hands and bezel especially.
Think it's about 3K on the used market.

>>15478923
I need to submerge a small datalogger.
>>15478929
I know that I can buy watch parts, but I don't need the crystal, I don't need lugs and I don't need a screwdown crown. Just a little metal capsule with a screwdown crown. But if that's not possible, I might actually go the Parnis route (or empty out one of my Amphibias.)

>>15478943

>>15478959
ohh...
will this do?
does it have to be flat?
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32799475639.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32994601697.html

>>15478480
Zenith is based as fuck though

>>15478978
Yeah, it has to be flat. Essentially, my logger has the size of a watch movement, so a watch is the closest thing to it, but I'd assume what makes a watch case a watch also makes it more complicated and expensive to manufacture.

>>15478999
ok found it, gotchu f.a.m
also i'd smear vaseline on the treads/use tape/silicone sealant if waterproofing is a big concern /for extra insurance
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000715001730.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33063606230.html

>>15478132
>There's a reason some people call the swiss mountain jews.

There are actually a lot of good reasons.
Their whole watch industry is built upon lies and deception. Of course they will outsource shit if they can get away with. If people only knew half of what watchfags in these forums know about the mountain jew, they would not even dream about that crap.

>>15479012
uhh ok forget the vaseline, its not safe to use with rubber o rings (same goes for watches' o rings) i forgot
with rubber o rings you need silicone grease, not hydrocarbon based (vaseline) as the latter will break down the rubber over time
for dive watches they also sell small $2 tubs of silicone grease

>>15478992
Name more than one based watch they currently produce.

>>15478156
>>15478161
>>15478162
Funny to see the same tricks that were tested out on /b/ applied to shilling these youtube cunts.
The approach of the desperate, crazy in love guy with a known person is interesting. It's a for of manipulation, the more you read this shit the more you picture yourself as the person that wrote these. It's a psyop to create sexual obsession.

Whatever marketing cunt taught you these tricks and sent you on your way to this forum, will be put infront of you for the execution. Bullets are precious, you are not.

Also, these constant e celebs being shoved down my throat only made me select the "stop reccomending from this channel" option on my app.
No more teddy, no more craig, that fucking pedo looking creep, no more the time teller, the whiny fag and no more jenny. Fucking german, beady eyed, semitic cunt.

>>15478853
Pretty much this >>15478871, albeit it does come with a manufacturer's guarantee according to the additional info at the bottom of description.
Jomashop is pretty much the most reputable grey market retailer and I've never heard about authenticity issues with them, they offer a 30 days no questions asked guarantee basically. If you want it just order it, film everything with a camera when you open the box, check autistically if everything is all right cosmetically (undamaged box, full documentation, tag, no scratches on the case and the bezel, protective film still on, no misaligned hands/bezel, mint dial) and functionallly (not misaligned bezel that functions properly, setting the hands is reasonably easy, watch winds properly) then start wearing it to see if it keeps time reasonably well. If something doesn't feel right (or you just don't fall in love with it) just send it back, major problems are unlikely to remain hidden during a month of daily use.
Something to consider with this particular piece is the meme heritage plastic crystal that's prone to scratching but is easy to polish and the gunmetal coating so it should be worn with care, but $500 is very reasonable for a swiss made watch with an ETA-2893-2, a now iconic original design and GMT function. Also buy the Glycine Airman book that looks good on the coffee table and costs like $25 on ebay.

>>15479059

>defy
>el primero

t. different anon

>>15479084
Both ugly and the defy is shit technology.

w2c?

YEMA is the future

>>15479096
This is pure alien/blade runner kino. I would just need a breget for duellists kino and a sun dial in my garden for gladiator kino and I would be set for Ridley scott watch kino

>>15479096
eBay other random websites, the model is the dw-5500

E-Celebs and the pathetic virgins who thirst for them deserve the fucking rope. Stop shilling your shitty jewtube channels here. This is for discussing watches, not unrepentant faggots.

>>15478160
Thanks. I knew about him but was hoping there was an other seller. He used to have a ''ghost'' strap on his ebay store but that's closed now.

>>15479099
Not really, but they are pretty okay for a just-above-micro manufacturer. They've got a pretty storied history, though it is not continuous as they have shifted ownership and operations a handful of times. They have some in-house movements that aren't terrible and fit in with the mid-market movements already out there like the 6R15 and lower-mid ETAs. Designs are pretty aesthetic, they do fairly well on that front. Materials are run of the mill, but cheap but not overly impressive. Finishes are what you would expect from a $500-$800 watch for the most part. Quality control is typically okay, they've had some issues but who hasn't in the watch game. Yema is established and viable, but not THE future.

>>15479096
>>15479103
Actually I was wrong, the radio solar model is the 5510

>>15479113
>>15479099
*...not cheap but not overly impressive.

Nice fish BTW.

>>15479092

Your mother is ugly. Zenith is based

>>15478205
>watch youtuber
>lame jokes
>speaks like a typical "hey what's up gamer nation" youtuber
>commiefornian
>jöö
Is this guy the actual worst?
Teddy and Watchfinder are at least informative and Urban Gentry's nonstop larp is entertaining and kinda comfy at points.

>>15479099
>unpaid yema intern desperate in his hunger catches a beautiful fishie by hand

nice strap it goes with the watch

>>15479096
Get one of these?

>>15479124
fuck that. UG is sleazy scum and Archie is just a loud cunt who doesn't even talk about watches.

>>15479099
Cute dog

>>15479096
>>15479115
>white one is 3x the price
real retro scifi vibes

>>15479119
Zenith based
>uhh, sir how would you like your watch designed?
>don't know, but i like trops to disneyland and hate proportions. And peter...
>yes, sir?
>that date window thingy, ya know me for so long now, you know what i like
>got you, sir. We will make it extra special

And that's just the older primero, the new crap also fucked up the case size. Now everything looks like ass.

Can anyone help me a site to buy this ? Thanks

>>15479124
Redditor, jew, söyboy, faggy and effimate. It all checks out. Can't stand his BS and his character establishing talking. Just show the god damn watch. I'm not american i do not need a personal connection to you as a person to make a decision about some models.

guys... LOOK AT THIS SHITTER! ahhh
PHOIBOS VOYAGER
$269
300WR screwdown doubledome sapphire
40W 46L 14T
nh35

diamond shaped indices! YES! dont tempt me JOMW!

>>15479157
I dunno chrno24 maybe

Or you could man the fuck up and use ebay lol

>>15478423
I've had one for a while . People like it .

>>15479166
tbqh I like the dial.

>>15479166
Looks cheesy. There are right and wrong ways to approach silver and lighter shades of watch, that is the wrong way. They should have gone with more contrast, instead it looks like a cheap and shiny third world bizarre shitter.

>>15479157
How about you tell us the model first...not everyone is familiar with all of Seiko's 10,000 different variants or the 300 presage variants floating around.

>>15479157
That is actually the SRP465J1, the white is the 463. Good luck though, it is no longer in production and is only very rarely available second hand.

>>15479141
That does have some real space-based scifi feels.

>>15479166
Damn, the dial and bezel are extra fugly. But i really appreciate the omega like minute brackets. Lots of dive watches have these small minute lines that are sometimes shitty to see at a glance. Hands and indices also look fun.

>>15479180
ikr
>>15479181
turns out they have blue/green/brown/black too
this looks like if Zelos Mako had a baby with Marloe Morar
beautiful microshitter baby (with diamond indices)

>>15479157
That thing is unobtainium. The only way you are getting one is if you search for it two times a day and catch one within a few hours of it being listed on any of the many watch trading spots on the web. Those are rare enough that when they do pop up, Seiko bois snatch them within an hour or two of listing. It's a coveted presage. Alternatively, if you're willing to pay, you can put a "want to buy" listing up on some forums and boards offering a price that is too good to ignore (two to three times the value or so). You may catch an owner looking to get into a more expensive watch that is willing to part with it.

TL;DR
nevergonnagetitnevergonnagetit neeeeevergonnagetitnevergonnagetit

>>15479193
Now that one is much better looking than the one you posted originally. Bezel numbers still need some contrast but the watch is passable overall.

>>15479129
>UG is sleazy scum

That's what kept me watching a while tbqh.. He's like this scammy used car salesman that took eloquency lessons, and just loves shiny things too much for his own good.

>>15479099
Fishwatch? Did you eat it afterward?

>>15479157
>>15479197
>seiko with a APRO dial
whats the appeal desu
>>15479154
>uhh, Sir how would you like your watch designed?
>COMMIES. AND HIPPIES. CHAIN AND FUSEE. $400,000 in a CIGAR BOX
>Say no more Sir

>>15479197
>all that bullshit just to get some boring as fuck looking watch

I'm pretty sure that söyko fans are some sort of retarded deviation of a cult. And they don't buy what they like, they try to buy what other söykos can not buy, just to feel a bit special.
Those straigh indices, thos disgusting hands, the oversized dial, not fitting the proportions of the whole case. Only good thing is the bracelet.

>>15478503
>>15478506
its like someone took a grand seiko, slapped on a less intricate dial and threw a cheaper movement in it

>>15479229
>>15479219
Don't ask me, I'm not the one who wants it. Just letting anon know what he'll have to do to get it.

>>15479229
>Only good thing is the bracelet.
Oh boy anon, do I have some bad news. The presage bracelets are garbage. All of them.

>>15479219
>for when you sucessfully managed to distabilise a whole region and several generations using commie propaganda and the goys retardation and now want to celebrate it

>>15479245
>presage bracelets are garbage. All of them.

That is actually good news for me, it confirms my bias even more. Not surprised here, seiko always uses shit tier bracelets, despite the rising prices they ask.
this bracelet looks nice with all the polishing tho.

>>15479229
There's nothing wrong with Seiko in general, or the people who buy them, but I would agree that the Seiko "enthusiasts" are retarded. They'll tend to amass dozens of similar watches just to collect every flavor under the Sun, instead of finding one or two that really speaks to them and wearing the shit out of them.

>>15479241
uhh.....yes? thats the point of the product..?
its a entry-mid budget <$1000 seiko dress similar to the sarb/sary
also i think this line has been around for a long time

>>15479254
Makes sense. Autistic obsession fueled by watch forums and their own, low iq.

>>15479261
>>15479254
seiko fans at least keep to their own niche and not so annoying like rolex people who dont ever SHUT UP

>>15479229
You're not wrong. That applies to almost all serious collectors of anything, including many watch collectors, and by extension, many seiko collectors. Tbh it's hardly out of the ordinary. See: rolex hulk

>>15479286
>>15479277
Damn, you're right. In my focused rant about seiko i forgot the rest. Okay, i see it's not fixed to one brand it's just fucked up people with an obsessive disorder.

But how do you even get there? I am dealing with watches and watch forums for about 8 years. I noticed shifts in my taste and deeper understanding of stuff but never an obsession about something. Even noticed some kind of fatigue or boredom with certain designs and a desire to find better versions of those, to keep my mind entertained.

Can anyone identify this pocket watch?

>>15479316
That's kind of where I am too. Finding something new or interesting out about watches. But for other people it's the thrill of the hunt and doing the research needed to find a specific piece. That's not fun if you can just buy it at a store. Idk different strokes I guess. There's really no way to rationalize buying watches (mechanical watches, no less) even though boomers on WUS try their best. Just got to accept it and enjoy it but keep it in perspective. The people you're referring to probably havent kept it in perspective

>>15479277
wtf r u talking about?! The Seiko soi's are just as autistic as the Rolex fans. Obsessing over the tiniest change to a particular model going back decades. Each narrowly focused only on their brand and hating on all others.

>In the late 19th century/early 20s, before the Swiss took over the watch industry globally, they made "copies" of American watches and sold them cheaper than their American counterparts.
>Swiss fakes are cheap, inexpensive Swiss-made watches that are imitations of medium-to-high grade American watches, or are marked to be something that they are not; in both instances they were intended to deceive the buyers.

https://mb.nawcc.org/wiki/Swiss-Fake

MUH SWISS

>>15479321
>number 6 missing
>train

Uh ohh anon, you got the commemorate auschwitz train watch. A rare model to remember the 6 gazillion that this train alone dragged into the camp. I'll give you 25 shekel for it.
So, are 15 shekel a good offer, yes?
Give me a call if you like my offer of 10 shekel, but don't wait too long, i have a few of these lined up and my bid for yours is the highest actually.

>>15479333
Old news. They did it to the English watch makers first, they used to be the 'Swiss' of their era but all the best London brands outsources the component manufacturing to Switzerland because they were skilled but cheaper than local watch makers.

>>15479323
>There's really no way to rationalize buying watches

There is also no need to. I like shiny thing, i buy shiny thing, if other don't like what i like i don't care.
I kinda get the thirll of the hunt part but i never felt about any purchase like that. Only when i was a kid and i wanted some toy, maybe that's what it is with these obsessed collectors.

>>15479099
>free fish with every purchase

>>15479321
No brand name on the dial so almost certainly something generic and nothing special. You would have to open the back and see the movement to see if anything is written there.

>>15479344
Meh a lot of people like to make up reasons for "needing" something which is why I bought it up. Of course you dont feel that way about purchases otherwise you might be a collector lol! I dont what it is either man like I said not really my thing, but lots of people collect some kind of shit so it's a fairly common phenomenon.

>>15479321
https://www.icollector.com/Old-Railroad-Pocket-Watch_i22218292
literally a 100+ year old watch
but you have to open and examine movement to see if its for real

>>15479321
Judging by the unsigned dial and the white metal case it's probably a lower-mid to mid-range swiss pocket watch made for the US market, late 19th century, but it's barely more than a guess. The case has a screw off back, open it as seen at https://youtu.be/VnItDl3CQj4?t=112 (it should come off easily, don't force it) and make a photo of the movement and the inner side of the caseback in a relatively dust-free environment if possible (a normal room will do it). Don't touch the movement itself.

>>15479359
Good find but even if it's real it's still only worth $100

>>15479219
That watch is the perfect symbol for communism.
Absolutely perfect

>>15479366
>judging watches solely by their $ value
not this again...

>>15479370
It's 99% the reason people ask for identification.

>>15479333
Based industry destroying, mountain jew hater.
It's also funny to know that, in order to put a "swiss made" branding on your shitter, you need to make its value to 60% in switzerland and the big working steps need to be done here too.
BEFORE THAT IT WAS LOWER THAN 60%

Meaning, in order to protect the workers from jewish tricks of outsourcing and collect more taxes from the makers, the gov established this rule. It was a several years long burocratic fight, the watch industry lobbied against it but lost in the end.
https://www.fhs.swiss/eng/strengthening.html

>40% of your watch is china, yes especially the damn luxury trash
>the complex and esxpensive steps like movement are outsourced to china
>they just do the less complex parts of assembling that, partly assembled movement.

>>15479342
That's what the eternal anglo deserves, for being so jewish that they pioneered outsourcing. Fuck it and globalism.

>>15479356
No problem, i might have come off like attacking you in my little, autistic rant. But i wasn't intending to come off that way.
Yeah, makes sense. I think i'm not seeing something crucial to understand the full picture of retarded watch collectors.

>>15479342
Don't forget the part where they stifled the rebirth of the french, italian and dutch luxury shops and houses after WWII by overpaying jewelers and watchmakers to make sure they would not have too much competition anymore.
Next step was buying out foreign actors, which they did.
Thank god for the quartz crisis. They deserved it.
And now they deserve to be beaten at their own game by yuro and azn microbrands and russian tardproof watches.

>>15478496
I love his watch.
Since Ap started doing the black ceramic watches, I would love to see a two tone black ceramic stainless steel RO pretty much inspired by the Lagerfeld watch.

>>15479390
You're foregetting a very important part : 60% of the VALUE of the components and work has to be done in Switzerland.
That is especially important when it comes to work.
You can have your entire movement built in China for pennies and have one swiss guy do the final adjustment, tuning and QC in an hour or two and because he gets a swiss wage compared to chinese factory work, you may hit that 40%/60% ratio.
There's a good reason why the hyperluxury houses actively lobbied against the label and some refuse to use it. Making a high-end watch would benefit from outsourcing some work outside of Switzerland for stuff like jewelry (to France, the Netherlands, Italy or the UK) or leather work (mostly to Italy) but because the high quality material and labor is expensive, it makes the ratio hard to maintain for the total price of the watch (especially when it comes to jewelry)
Unironically, "Swiss Made" is a label denoting lower quality compared to other national labels.

>>15479390
>>40% of your watch is china, yes especially the damn luxury trash

Rolex tells me that everything from the gold to the metal is sourced within Switzerland and then assembled within Switzerland. They said to my face that 100% of the watch from beginning to end is Swiss.

I know you can say they're lying, but the most well known watchmaker with the most to lose in this game would lose a SHIT TON of money if they were caught lying here. Do you not think other brands would love nothing more than to call Rolex out on their bullshit? Would similar brands in their price range, like Omega, not just love to destroy the Rolex reputation?

Because the answer to that question in, "of course they would love for Rolex to fall" -- then that would mean they would be doing all they can to see that Rolex does fail. As such, they clearly aren't lying about their processes.

https://seikousa.com/collections/mens/products/sur317
THOTS?

>>15479321
>>15479359
Size 18 pocket watch, eleven jewels lower mid-grade lever set movement made by Lancaster Watch Co., Pennsylvania under the "New Era" label between 1879-1884, machine embossed "Silverode" (nickel silver, white metal) case made by the Philadelphia Watch Case Co.
The good things: it's the largest standard case size that collectors love, Lancaster Watch Co. only operated for 5 years with a production total of around 200.000 what makes it relatively rare, the dial-hands-case-movement combination seems all original, not a RR watch but interesting to railroad collectible collectors because of its dial and case decoration.
Dollar value is around $150-200 if unserviced but runs and the movement is otherwise intact (www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1895-MAGNIFICENT-TRAIN-DIAL-amp-CASE-18s-NEW-YORK-STANDARD-NEW-ERA-MUSEUM-QUALITY-/174327004367), don't run it regularly unless you get it serviced.

>>15479402
>Get casio beside model
>rattle can paint job
>wear and have some funky watch

Be an artist, don't be a cocksucker. You will never buy an AP in your life. You will never be brave enough to just wear it and get it scratched. You will always obsess about it because, unlike lagerfeld you are not scamming normie bimbos for millions with fancy marketing for rags. This AP to lagerfeld was like a casio to you. He just didn't care, probably never serviced, probably lost 5 minutes a day.

Stop living like a mindslave, man, fuck AP, get a casio. Free your mind.

>>15479411
>Would similar brands in their price range, like Omega, not just love to destroy the Rolex reputation
>like Omega
they are all doing the same thing
you think your rolex is 100% made in switzerland? lool

>Murkier still, although far from illegal, is the business of exports of Chinese movements to traditional watchmaking countries. For a watch to carry the all-important words “Swiss Made” on its dial, only 60 per cent of its value has to be added in Switzerland. Given everything is cheaper to produce in the Middle Kingdom than anywhere running on CET, large portions of a Swiss-made watch – whether the case, crown or pins that hold a strap in place – can therefore come from anywhere in the world.
>Who’s doing this? Don’t expect anyone to tell you. Talk to people who’ve visited the Chinese factories boxing up parts for the Swiss and they’ll go all 1984 on you.

>>15479411
si senor, todo hecho en Suiza, todo hecho a mano, 10.000 dolares por favor

>>15479409
>hit that 40%/60% ratio

Yes, this is exactly what i was thinking but forgot to put in, thank you dude. That's the thing, most of the movement, the part that so many tards gush about is as made in china as the parnis or pagani design shitters. But it's sold to normies liek this super amazing swiss quality thing.
>Unironically, "Swiss Made" is a label denoting lower quality compared to other national labels.

Please elaborate. I read that in several studies, the perception of swiss made seems to be very positive and quality and precision is associated with it. Well, for the normie consumer who has no damn clue.
>>15479411
Private company, they HAVE no obligation by law to be honest to you. They made sure that you can not find the truth and actually prove that they are not 100% swiss made.

Other brands will not start a smear campaign agains rolex, because there is an agreement not to, they all stick together otherwise they will be destroyed by the other markets. Despite rolex being not parto of a conglomerate, they secretly all are.

And also, rolex knows all the other companies dirty secrets, if they would get shat on by omega, they would tell the world what goes behind omega production lines. And omega would probably look worse than rolex.
But like i said, i suspect a hidden oligopoly among swiss brands, so there's no need for war among them.

>>15478126
>Explain pls
Those are independents.
They have ultra low production output so they can't make use of economics of scale, don't have an existing distribution network, small teams or everything is done by a single person that relies on the watches to pay all of his bills including machines and equipment.
They do most if not everything in house and a lot of them don't cut any corners.
A lot of them thus cost 50k$ when first sold but increase because there are only very few, they represent the highest level of watchmaking and thus they become highly collectible.

>>15478111
yep, if you want perfectly finished hands go with the competitor lang&heyne, though they only make 50 pieces per year unlike Langes 5000+

>>15478132
the swiss are literally known for like 3 things.
Banking
Mercenaries
Watchmaking

theres a reason they had a literal fucking identity crisis when quartz came out

>>15478844
>>15478858
>>15478863
Read up on the development of Daniels' coaxial escapement. The whole purpose of it was to create an escapement that wasn't reliant on regular servicing (oiling) and the only way to achieve that was to fundamentally change the way the motions in the escapement. Less sliding+friction more impact bounce. Gold can have good elasticity and provide that bounce. Steel, what omega used in their coaxial, failed on every account at being a coaxial in that yes ok, it no longer needed oil for lubrication to manage friction, but instead to act as a cushion for impact. Wow. Go through the hassle to getting an "oil-less" movement and resort to using oil anyway. Hence why the entire enterprise from swatch is a massive lame gimmick that provides, ultimately, no real benefit compared over the regular Swiss lever used by Rolex and the like. I believe none of Smith's watches have needed to be serviced (re-oiled) whereas every co-ax omega, even the latest iteration, NEEDS service at regular intervals. That oil cushion? Eventually it gets displaced and it's just cushionless impact of ridgid metal on metal. The movement will, in time, literally tear itself apart if not remedied. With basically every other lever escapement type (used in watches from Rolex to Seiko and everyone else) there's some leeway between watch working well and it being dead. I mean you can have a rolex or seiko movement tick on for decades without issue. Coaxial omegas don't have that option. When it needs it it needs it otherwise shit will wreck bad. Also, you need a microscope in order to apply the oil. Any watchmaker worth their salt can service a regular Swiss lever or any Japanese or Russian movement. A coax omega needs a plethora of extra tools. Basically, it's finicky for no real benefit and it's a cheapened corruption of something actually meaningful: Daniels-Smith coaxial escapement. I call that bad. It's a massive "me too!" gimmick made by swatch out of desperation.

>>15479457
He's talking about the late 19th-early 20th century when the swiss made designation was introduced to protect British and American makers from the dumping inferior but cheaper Swiss products masquerading as local makes to deceive the customers. There was another lowly and underhanded race, the barbaric G*rm*ns pulling the same trick mostly with clocks but also with Thiel dollar watches, resulting in the birth of the made in G*rm*ny designation.*
*It's worth noting that the G*rm*ns for most of their history were utterly incapable of making a quality wrist watch movement of their own. In fact between the years 1918 and 1990 they've made precisely two notable movements on par with the better contemporary Swiss makes, the Kurtz 25 and the Durowe 630. Both were produced only for a few years due to the G*rm*ns proverbially stingy, greedy and short-sighted nature resulting in their unwillingness to give out more than half of a worker's monthly wage for a watch that would serve them well for decades. The "illustrious" G*rm*n "luxury" wrist watch industry is also a scam from a historical perspective.

>>15479432
The difference between rolex and omega (swatch) in this regard is that rolex have three factories, all in switzerland. And are reliant on two additional independent factories also in Swiss for compoments. Swatch has factories in Switzerland yes, but also in Thailand and in China and once upon a time in Mexico. Dunno it that's still there or if it was closed because the Chinese factory was cheaper to deal with.
A company that owns factories in China is going to use them. Iirc, people have visited the rolex factory and have confirmed the production of every component barring the one they need from the independent Swiss factory. To the best of my recollection nobody's been allowed in the Omega factory. Celebs are taken to a glorified showroom they call a museum but no one's confirmed the individual production of all parts that say go into a seamaster. Because they can't, because so much of it is made in China. Is it 100% conclusive? No, but there's a reason why collectors are more inclined to trust an independent company like rolex over a massive conglomerate like swatch that is dictated by the whims of private equity, who demand every corner that can be cut be cut to save a few cents.
Like in said, not 100%, but more signs point to rolex being "actually Swiss made" vs a shell brand like Omega that's just a name in a portfolio of a huge concern.

Basically, proof has been bandied about omegas's Mexican and Chinese roots for a while, in years there has not been a single shred about rolex and say, Chinese production. Maybe they just hide it better? I know their boxes are made in Thailand lol because my mother's friend's family company makes them. But the box is the just the box and rolex make no claims about packaging.

>>15479420
Projecting this much...
I just said that his watch looks cool and I wanna see a black ceramic/steel watch combo.

>>15479457
>Please elaborate
The main point was "compared to other national labels".
Because it's so easy to game the "swiss made" system, you can have a movement that it "swiss made" because the decorative geneva-stripes on it were applied in Switzerland while everything else was made and aassembled in China. Since it's determined by added value, it's incredibly easy to take advantage of cheap outsourcing compared to massively expensive swiss labor. Other similar labels in european countries are MUCH more strict and require certification that your products are assembled in a certain factory that has been cleared already, that sort of stuff.
Because the perception of "swiss made" is so high, it's not exactly an uphill battle anyway, and the general ignorance of the public at large when it comes to watches means it's easier to get away with stuff.
That doesn't mean a labeled "swiss made" product is necessarily of low quality, but compared to other labels, there is a lot more wiggle room.
To give you an example, the official "made in France" label (although it mostly applies to textiles at this point) requires 75% of assembly operation on all the materials to be done on-site in France. Since it's measured based on assembly instead of added value, there isn't as much room to cheese your way into exploiting foreign labour. If Yema had their watches certified as "made in France", you'd have a good indication that most of the work was made in-house and in France whereas a "swiss made" watch can have as little as just engraving and quality control done in Switzerland but still qualify.
I swear, the supposedly "based and redpill" swiss and their protectionnist policy are repugnantly good at exploiting corporate language and regulation-evasion tricks.

>>15479497
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>>15479546
no ones going to read all this bull shit you idiot

Is there an infographic or something about automatics? I only have quartz watches but I might get an auto in the future.

>>15479556
>OH NO, READINGGG?
brainlet

>>15479556
We're not all 5 second attention span zoomers here you know.

>>15479497

All this just to make something that still doesn't even come close to the accuracy of a little electricity through a tiny fucking mineral. Holy fuck mechanicals are BTFO.

Imagine Ferrari or Lamborghini deciding against performance in their engine in favour of "soul"? It would never happen and it shouldn't happen. Performance should always be first since the end result is a high performance tool. Watches go against that while still claiming they're high performance. No. Quartz is high performance. Far more so than any mechanical by a fucking mile.

Luxury watchmakers should be moving towards atomic movements, not steel wheels and cogs. Stop living in the past.

My vostok has been gaining on average 14.5 s/day. Should I try having it regulated or will that just end up in it losing time rather than gaining? Is there any hope at getting it to +5 s/day or less?

>>15479579
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHnIwDLmLcE

>>15479572

mechanicals can run for a century or more, that’s pretty good performance i.m.h.o.

>>15479569
half circle metal disc go spin spin spin in watch when watch moves and winds a spring that drives the movement, there

also, dont get an pure automatic, get one that can handwind or even just a pure handwinder. You'll thank yourself later
>>15479572
>performance
luxury watches are not only about performance they are also about craftsmanship and heritage

a plastic box costs $1 but a engraved teak box will cost you hundreds

>>15479556
lmao niggertier attention span

>>15479572
If your only goal is accuracy and sheer pragmatism don't even think about owning a watch at all. Use your phone synced to a network's time or some atomic clock widget.
The market for luxury watches and increasingly all non-luxury watches as well is not concered with just mean pragmatism. If it was the only watches valued by buyers would be the new citizen quartz from last year or more likely those radio sync watches that virtually nobody knows about and few care enough about to actually buy.

>>15479497
Ahh, now i understand. Thanks.

It just looks like they did it fully on purpose to make nice money from servicing. And with the extra tools needed they make sure that you let it service only at omega, not at an independant service.
FUCK THE MOUNTAIN JEWS.

>>15479498
Germans being stingy, greedy short sighted fucks makes sense. So that's why they ruined their own watch industry. I heard about the "made in germany" branding as a warning sign, but they managed to up the quality in other products so the perception shifted to it being positive.

>>15479584
Thank Cecil but I've already watched it. What I'm worried about is that the way already works well within the manufacturer specs(+/- 30s/day), I feels like I'm being greedy wanting to get it down to less than 15s/day. 15 a days is already very good for a vostok as far as I can tell.

>>15479519
Yeah yeah, whatever, just do it, faggot. Unfuck yourself and get a casio.

>>15479546
So what watchmakers are actually not made in China in any way

>>15479604
Apparently the ETA engineers did try their hardest. And they got help from Smith and Daniels himself when he was alive who was helping them refine it to the very end. I suspect they have prototypes that are awesome and do exactly what they're supposed to but they weren't cheap enough for mass production as needed by Omega. Stuff that didn't pass scrutiny of the accounting department and upper management. There are no doubt other alloys that would impart similar properties to gold but they're harder to work with and/or more expensive than steel. Daniels/Smith used/use gold in part because it's easy to work with without ultra specialist machinery. It's just that its value as a raw commodity has sky-rocketed in recent years. It wouldn't surprise me however that if they really were presented with a range of options to go forward with some scheming fuck manager and bean counter did purposely choose the most bitch one to go with for the reasons you mentioned.

>>15479615
already runs better than a seiko5
give it a tiny smidgen of a nudge if you want to do it
>>15479633
>settling for less
>i-its okay
stockholm cooomsumer syndrome

>>15479188
>>15479141
Slightly off white is the best for the retro sci-fi sort of feel

>My totally fucked Vostock is already back to +60 a day
I'm a gonna get it going right again boys

Went flying for the first time since March and decided to wear my Ball for some reason, instead of the Citizen Skyhawk I usually fly with. Figured I'd snap a pic while I was up.

>>15479634
Very interesting, thanks for the info on co-axials and omega. I had no clue since i never really looked into the brand.

Yeah, i mean, it makes sense to reduce costs but if omega wanted, they could develop an alloy with properties of gold, in terms of ease of work and make it cheaper to massproduce. And the co axial movement would work to the full potential, but there is not as much, short term monetary gains in it. Damn the whole system for that.

Recommend me <39mm diver sub 500 price range

>>15479688
I like that Ball. What's the model name/number? I'm looking for a mid-tier watch that has the Rolex Explorer simplicity.

>>15479129

>archie is a loud cunt

God I fucking hate you watch newbies

>>15479702
39mm should be the minimum for a diver, they wear smaller than their diameter suggests

>>15479728
It’s the Engineer II Arabic COSC. I think it’s been discontinued for a while though.

>>15479702
theres a complete dearth of affordable <39mm divers now
you can get the islander 38mm thats only left in yellow

sometimes you think, hey, maybe ladies stuff like this 36mm phoibos sea-nymph can work as a diver for a guy (since it comes in black too, dont worry)--but then you find out its QUARTZ, unlike its 40mm male counterpart.

>>15479124
>and Urban Gentry's nonstop larp is entertaining and kinda comfy at points
>at points.

TGV is always comfy, he enjoys what he does and does not sound like a salesman.

>>15479492
The business secrecy of Switzerland is the only reason the swiss watchmakers can charge so much money for such ordinary outdated tech.

>>15479702
I can't because I'm your friend and I don't want you to end up with a quartz or, even worse, a riced shitter. Here are some other suggestions instead:
Look at this beauty anon, a 500m swiss automatic driver for $499, a sign from the heavens. It's all BLACK and ORANGE and it looks like if you are wearing a TROJAN MAGNUM XXL on your wrist with its 48mm diameter. This watch oozes SEX: https://www.jomashop.com/zeno-automatic-orange-dial-black-rubber-mens-watch-6603-bk-a5.html
Too big, you say? Look at this one with its significantly reduced diameter of 47mm then. It's BIG and THICK because it's a TOOL watch, not a GIRL'S watch, it looks retro chic yet contemporary and the dial is YELLOW because you're a PROFESSIONAL and not some plebeian who wants to wear a driver for a suit:
https://www.jomashop.com/zeno-automatic-mens-watch-500-2824-i9.html
But wait, it's also comes in BLUE, as in that FRENCH movie about MAVERICK divers, the BIG BLUE, it reminds me of that ending scene with the DOLPHIN, a watch that can make you smile and cry and the same time, where else do you find one like this: https://www.jomashop.com/zeno-automatic-blue-dial-mens-watch-500-2824-i4.html

What does /fa/ think about fake watches? Thinking about picking up some fake Rolex subs

>>15479804
Depends what you buy a Rolex for.
If the fake rolly is a tool that will benefit you socially, go for it.
If you want a Rolex as a watch, a fake or "homage" will never replace it.

>>15479807
I'm a young real estate agent trying to break into the career. I was hoping to get a rolex just to show off to clients before I can actually afford the real thing.

>>15479804
>>15479810
Just don't, if not for self respect then because they are either very easily recognizable for being fakes, or very expensive for what they are. I for sure wouldn't want to deal with someone who shows a preference for misrepresentation and deception. For business tactics I'd buy a vintage watch from an old recognizable brand, like the cheapest hand wound Omega in presentable condition and if someone asks I'd tell him it belonged to my grandpa and means a lot to me. That projects respect and integrity, something people look for in a salesman.

>>15479810
Clients who don't care about watches will just see a nice watch, and clients who do care will immediately ask you about your Rolex.
I'd go with a vintage Omega or similar, has some taste and is much more legitimate than a fake.

NEW THREAD WHEN

>>15479497

All that text to look like you know what your talking about but your still retarded, the coaxial escapement and escapement being the key word is a part of a movement. The rest of a movement still needs serviced. The escapement will have less ware which is the whole point of the coaxial, you have clearly never had to send many watches to service.

The new coaxial blows pretty much all other movements out of the water sub 10k (for tech), gimmick? Its just a selling point, the rest of the watch, build and finishing also comes play. Just keep playing with your seikos in your bedroom, i think your mums got your dinner on anon.

>>15479847
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>>15479847

wtf
thread's not even at bump limit yet

>>15479702
40mm Dan Henry 1970, in orange or white

>>15479764
Looks good but I want and automatic movement

>>15479801
God, those are ugly

>>15477808
Well done anon, I’m preparing to do the same thing. Is there a YouTube vid you could recommend on the case swap?

>>15479842
>t. salty omega buyer that got scammed
don't be sad you didn't buy a rolex there's always next time lmao

>>15479642
I've had several Seiko 5s and they've all been only 5-15 s off from the box.

vroom

>>15479397
they really are mountain jews arent they?

>>15480284
Too bad about the retarded name, their designs are very nice.

>>15479734

Pay your fucking denbts, Archibald.