/fa/ - Fashion

best product to clear up dark spots/brighten skin?

How often should I use lip balm?

>>14894280
AHA's
Retinol and Retinoids
>>14894295
lol......when you need it. Drink more water first, its more internal than external.

what products can I use to get rid of rosacea? Have basically just ignored mine my whole life but I want it gone

Can you use AHA/BHA to exfoliate a few times a week if you're using a daily retinoid?

>>14894410
dyor

>>14894436
why not, do you have bad scarring?

daily reminder that the only products needed for great skin are a gentle cleanser, moisturizer, retinol and spf.
the rest is health (water, exercise, veggies), hygiene and consistency.
oily skins may benefit from clay masking a couple times a week

>>14894271
Just ordered a couple derma rollers and bought this shit (hyaluronic acid solution)
Has anyone tried either product before? How often should I roll with 1mm needles?

S. Dermatitis + acne :(

>>14894410
same. not sure that mines bad enough to warrant going to a derm though

>>14894577
I have a lot of dark marks from acne, was wondering if there would be a lot of irritation or adverse effects using them together

>>14894271
I got 2 sets at Christmas. So far I apply a charcoal face wash in the shower and a facial moisturiser before bed, should I use the "daily face wash" along with these? I feel like the charcoal face wash from the other set makes it redundant and possibly harmful

all you need:
-face detergent (nothing soo strong, to wash your face before the cream)
-hydrating face cream

apply those morning and before sleep

-body hydrating cream

apply after shower

lip barn and hand cream

apply whenever you feel

>>14894614


Patrician-tier choice. I've studied skin health for years, and use that exact HA product every day.

I'd advise staying away from the derma rollers - they're actually counter-intuitive if not cleaned completely after each use. You're implanting oil and bacteria each subsequent use.

My stack:

After showering with a mild foaming cleanser.
1. Vitamin C serum (I use mad hippy brand - beware the cheapest ones on amazon, they're all fake reviews).
2. Hyaluronic acid that you posted
3. Snail cream under the eyes after the ha has dried
4. Paula's choice daytime SPF (my holy grail product) or Cerve PM moisturizer at night

I've had zero response to diffiren/retinol, and can't really fit AHA/BHA into my routine. Instead, I use over the counter chemical peels every so often on the weekend. (more often in the winter). Pores absolutely cleared, face completely clear.


This stack was the result of years of trial and error. I am routinely told that I look like a 25 year old (I'm 38)

After accutane I no longer get back acne, but still a ton of scarring from over the years. Anybody have any advice on improving it?

HOW THE FUCK DO I GET RID OF MY LAUGH LINES, EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP THERE ARE WRINKLED LINES THAT GO DOWN TO MY CHIN IM ONLY 20

>>14896396

You may not like the answer bro. You can get rid of them or diminish them easy with facial fillers - like juvederm or restylene. Will set you back $350 to $500 and last about 6 months.

>>14894271
I've used that before, it's pretty good. No irritation for me.

Warning: Gross picture. Can't spoiler pictures. I've been using CeraVe Hydrating Facial Cleanser
https://www.skincarisma.com/products/cerave/hydrating-facial-cleanser

and CeraVe Facial Moisturizing Lotion SPF 30

https://www.skincarisma.com/products/cerave/am-facial-moisturizing-lotion-broad-spectrum-spf-30

I wash my face twice a day and moisturize twice a day in the morning and evening. What can I do about the reddening on the edge of the eye, the bumpy texture and pores under the eye, and the (sebaceous filaments?) on the chin? I'm new so I don't know what these things are exactly. The moisturizer gives my face a greasy sheen so I may ditch it, or I may be using too much.

Has anyone ever used snail mucin creams on the face? I haven't come across any research that proves its efficiency, but people swear over it.

>>14894614
hadalabo is great as a daily or twice daily serum which you use immediately after washing your face. derma roller not needed. HLA + a simple unscented moisturizer (i use clinique for men) puts you ahead of 98% of the population.

>>14894410
Try azelaic acid

>>14894614
The biggest mistake I made with this product was not applying it while my face was wet. Living in a dry climate, it ended up pulling moisture away from my face when I used to put it on a dry face.

It is now a fantastic product.

>>14897195
I had no luck with snail mucin in regards to acne scarring. It does help with hydration but I have other products for that.

Some people swear by it though. Try it and see.

>>14895209
>>14894436
Been using The Ordinary's AHA + BHA exfoliator 2-3 times a week while on Differin. You'll get mild irritation and it feels like battery acid while it's on but it resolves itself by midnight. My pores have never been cleaner. If you're in early stages of retinoid use maybe wait until you gain tolerance to your retinoid

>>14894605
Pretty redpilled but also exfoliate with a chemical exfoliator once a week

>>14894436
I do but never together. AHA or BHA in the mornings 3x a week and retinol at night daily.

My neck is full of scars due to ingrown hairs.
Please help.

>>14894614
lol

What's a good moisturizer for somewhat oily skin?

I use the basic Loreal charcoal cleanser since it was the only decent one at the store near me.
Looking for a better one, if it's worth the extra money? Any recommendations?

I've reduced my skincare routine to a cleanse, tretinoin, sunscreen and a thicc layer of vaseline at night.

>>14897110
No homo dog, but you have nice eyes

Best thing I ever did to make my skin look better is stop fapping and dry fasting.

>>14898480
Dry fast routine? I'm thinking of dry fasting every day from 7pm to 4 pm leaving me a 3 hour eating/drinking window.

>>14897195
It's not going to help with scars. The thing people actually use it for is getting rid of post-acne erythema. I have a bottle of CORSX snail mucin, can't say it's helping me yet after a month of use, though erythema can take up to a year to clear up so my expectations are probably too early. At this point it seems more like a liquid moisturizer or just a humectant.
>>14897508
Wouldn't having other liquid products placed before or moisturizing right after alleviate any need to apply HA on a wet face? Applying wet seems to break the order of application as some products (like BHA or AHA) are meant to be used on a face that has just been cleansed and with nothing prior, having HA on breaks that.
>>14894614
This bottle will last you a year. Extremely cheap and effective.
>>14897610
Haven't watched the video but the channel is legit stuff so watch this to get a hang for what's out there, it's possible you may not do without a visit to a dermatology clinic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhhJ4O-HTH8

>>14895347
>Paula's choice daytime SPF (my holy grail product) or Cerve PM moisturizer at night
Glad to know I accidentally picked good products going in completely blind

okay, so Im not very good with facial skin care. I've got a really sensitive face and almost anything makes it break out. a few months ago my face was clearing out but suddenly I started breaking out really bad around my jaw and mouth area. I think it might be hormonal so I'm gonna go see a dermatologist soon. I've tried out the Aztec clay mask but it doesn't seem to make a difference. any tips or any products you'd recommend?

>>14898563
so you bin

>>14897110
I suggest adding some exfoliation to your routine. Read up on chemical and physical exfoliation. Your breakouts seem more pronounced on your chin. If you shave quite frequently, it might be more prone to bacterial buildup. Judging by its appearance, your chin might benefit from some salicylic acid. Direct salicylic acid is commonly sold in a 2% concentration, which is where you can start. If you haven't used direct acids on your skin before, introduce it slowly (ex. once every three days)

>>14899057
Pardon me?

>>14899098
so you bin

Since I was 12 I have skin problems. They were at first only on my forehead, then all this shit started to appear all over my face and sometimes in ear areas. Was on hormonal pills and started exfoliating, now it is better but it still appears pretty much randomly. My routine for now is moisturizing right after washing and exfoliating it every other day, but no progress. I even tried to cut down sugar consumption but didn't make it better. My dermatologist tried to give me various other creams and exfoliating acids but acne still appears. I'm 19 now. Help.

>>14897110
holy shit you have the exact same eyes as me

How do I fix my nose? I currently cleanse once a day, use stridex pads, and then cerave cream at the end. Pic related.

>>14898563
Eat every other day and when you're not eating don't drink. Make sure to eat a lot of fish, tendon , Tripe and walnuts to help the skin stay nice and youthful

>>14899983
>Make sure to eat a lot of fish, tendon , Tripe and walnuts
DELICIOUS

I started seeing a scar revisionist for my indented acne scars. I had subcision, filler, and TCA cross done just before christmas. I plan to do this 3-4 more times then start laser treatments. I only have a couple of scars, but they really bother me.

probably gonna start doing botox for my forehead wrinkles next year.

Serious question -- is skincare for the genital/crotch area relevant? Should I be paying attention to the health of my penis skin?

i don’t know if i should even post this cause i wanna flex on everyone but this routine is literally making my oily, smoke-damaged skin look perfect:

1/week: Aztec Clay Mask and Exfoliation

Morning & Night: Rodan & Fields Unblemish Face Wash, Toner, The Ordinary 0.2% Retinol, TO Buffet+1% Copper Peptides, Hylamide Pore Reducer Booster, Evian Facial Mist, Hylamide Hylauronic Acid Booster (Pink), Facial Mist (Again), Strivectin Skin Tightening Serum, Strivectin Anti Eye-Wrinkle Cream (Magenta Label), Bioessence Squalane Rose Oil +Vit C, Vichy Wrinkle Filler (for my laugh lines), R&F Spot Treatment, Salicylic Acid on blocked pores and blackheads, and Vaseline on my lips

>>14900450
and very important: mix the eye cream with the retinol for a boost

also wear sunscreen (i use La Roche Posay SPF 50 cause i’m tan) and reapply every two hours/before going outside

use the rose hip oil very sparingly

and btw toner is also R&F

>>14900452
oh and take fish bone collagen peptides (type 1 & 3) twice a day

>>14896686
or just use a lot of retinoids for a very long time— about a year— they’ll look less prominent

but for truly effective results, yeah fillers

>>14896396
Sounds like a pillow problem. Get a pillow that forces you to sleep on your back.

>>14899959
Yeah i have this too, rest of face is perfect just pores on the nose is annoying.

For the face and neck, I like HolikaHolika's Lazy-N-Easy all in one toner/moisturizer for general/quick use, especially if it's going to be cold and dry outside. I use Laneige Cream Toner/moisturizer after I shower, washing my face 5 days a week with just dove sensitive skin body wash and 2 days a week with a Sheseido Deep Cleansing and Exfoliating Scrub.

For full body use, I generally use Nature Republic Aloe Gel Moisturizer on the majority of my body, with Palmer's Tummy Butter for any stretch-mark prone areas such as around my groin (I have bad elastin genes unfortunately leading to massive tiger-stripe stretch marks, ugh), stomach, and my elbows and knees. since starting this regimen I have noticed marked differences in my overall appearance, acne prevalence, and especially when it comes to my fucking marks.

>>14899301
Form a coherent sentence, fuck wit.

>in summer my acne finally disappeared after so many years
>literally few days after going back to school acne is back on my face
Fuck all why live

I’ve been trying to cure my razor burn. My whole body experiences it horrifically. My legs and neck especially.
For my neck, my dermo has tried 5 different products, currently in trying out this steroid gel.
Things are also unfun because I’m currently on my 7th month of accutane.
In terms of moister. The pixi milk mist does wonders for me

What's the absolute best eye cream? Have genetic dark eyes

>get motivated to get into skin care
>wash pillowcases, drink more water, start using cleanser and uva/uvb protection
>later that same fucking week I break out with 5 pimples
I don’t even normally have acne anymore what the fuck

Do vitamin C serums serve any purpose if I just get vitamin C through foods?

What product type treats whatever this is on my cheeks?

>>14901813
so you bin

>>14902007
As far as I understand products dont do shit that has to do with genetics and sleep.

>>14898858
HA helps retain moisture. It does break the order of application, but I've personally had no issues applying AHA/BHA after the fact.

Granted, I have sensitive skin. Applying AHA/BHA directly would irritate and dry out my skin.

why do i have acne coming up exclusively around my temples, on both sides. i drink 2L a day of water like youre supposed to

>>14904193
Do you wear headphones or sleep on your side?

>>14904224
i do sleep on my side yes, sleeping on my back gives me acid reflux

>>14904228
Try changing pillow cases every other day, and sleep on each side of the pillow once

>>14904193
2L is way too low
I drink at least 4L a day

>>14899959
You just have big pores on your sniffer.
If they are unwashed, they are dark and diagusting, if they are washed, they become clean, deep and still noticeable.
That’s why women wear primer to cover the pores.

>>14894605
based and redpilled

How to fix these blackheads (?) on my nose and next to my nose underneath my eyes? There is a cosmetician in my town who could do extractions but I don't know if that wouldn't just lead to permanent scarring.
I've been using La Roche Posay's purfying foaming gel every morning and moisturize with cetaphil after for a month or so but noticed no real change.

>>14905482
Read the thread. Those are sebaceous filaments and you cannot get rid of them as they are part of your oily skin. Extraction is a meme, they will come back next day. The only thing you can do is deregulate sebum production by using BHA but that will take a while.

>>14894271
what is just a simple routine for healthy skin doesn't require me to buy 5+ overpriced products to plaster my face with several times a day?

what the FUCK do I do about red, pitted acne scars????????

>>14905538
FAQ

>>14905515
>deregulate sebum production by using BHA
please substantiate this claim

>>14906612
>deregulate

>>14905295
Depends on weight and activity retard

>>14906638
provide scientific backing for the claim

Cant live with acne scarring anymore do I just get lasers or what

okay correct me if I'm wrong, I have super oily skin without moisturizer, I do most remedies like cold water and such. I heard if I put on moisturizer this will train my skin to produce less oil, do I go about this just straight on, putting moisturizer on every morning or what?

>>14905482
bump

Got prescribed accutane for pretty mild acne, how's it work?

What the FUCK are you trying to say

>>14896396
Laughter lines are hot as fuck

How to get rid of forehead wrinkles? They're not deep yet and need to be seen from very up close but they still annoy the shit out of me

>>14906843
>I heard if I put on moisturizer this will train my skin to produce less oil
no evidence for this

Retinoic acid peel. You usually undergo such procedure at a dermatologist, but I usually buy my own and make it myself. My skin always looks lustrous afterwards.

>tfw huge acne scars and red marks
Should I try laser or just give up and commit sudoku?

>>14907910
Try the retinoic acid peel, anon.

>>14902820
GO squeeze an orange and run it on your face with tissue or cloth pads. Let us dry then wash off in shower with gentle cleanser. You’ll notice a glow and nice shine

>>14906499
Retinol and demrma rolling :)

>>14907915
OK, I'll give it a try, but I've already spent a fuckton of money first on curing acne and then on trying to get rid of red spots and flatten scars, things like azelaic acid, AHA/BHA and some other. There was almost no effect at all.

>>14907992
Doing long term treatments is different from a more agressive, more concentrated, treatment.

I use AHAs daily (2% concentration), but my retinoid peel procedure is 10% of the acid.

>>14894271
Redpill me on OP's picrel
When do I use?
What it does?
Does it enlarge penis too?

I have overproducion of sebum and treat it with a retinoid acids.
How do I fix this problem in ear area? Just water and soap and hope that it will fix itself with time?

>>14906665
rather drink a little too much than too little

any advice on my routine?

am
>foaming cleanser
>ha, collagen, vit c, small amount of salicylic acid everywhere
>minoxidil
>moisturizer with spf 30

am weekly/as needer
>peel-off mask

pm
>foaming cleanser
>ha, collagen, vit c, salicylic acid on any breakouts
>minoxidil & dermaroller
>moisturizer

pm every 3 days
>a-ret hc - tretinoin, hydroquinone, hydrocortisone

pm other days
>retinol

pm weekly/as needed
>clay mask

I'm building up to using the a-ret hc daily and might introduce a glycolic peel
i think my main problem is some sunken pores and fine lines

>>14907932
can I just get a decent derma roller off of amazon and do it at home? at retinol creams prescription?
I really feel like mine is too nasty to take care of alone and that I need a special procedure like dermabrasion or something.

Exactly how badly are cigarettes fucking up my skin?
I use sunscreen religiously, I use a cleanser every day, moisturizers, I take cold showers, i exercise daily, haven't touched a sugary drink in years, but I would be heartbroken if I had to give up cigarettes, I know they're killing me but theyre such a wonderful part of my life. It sounds strange I know but tobacco is my singular vice, even though for most people it's neither here nor there. I smoke nothing but dunhills and Sherman's even though they cost $15 for a pack here.

Id give up coffee and even alcohol before I gave up cigs.

>>14905515
I read online that you could "reduce" those filaments with salicylic acid but when I was looking to buy a product with salicylic acid they were all intended for people with acne problems which I don't really have.

How to heal acne pores / scars?

>>14902820
>>14907929
I don't think dietary vitamin C will do anything for your skin, and don't put any citrus on your face like that based retard said.

>>14902838
>>14908101
>>14907910
>>14908169
Chemical exfoliators like salicylic acid 1-3 times a week and daily retinoid like adapalene

>>14908150
It should work anyway, but Paula's Choice has products that aren't just meant for acne

test

How do I prevent back and chest acne?

I found out that I can induce my freckles if I aggressively rub my cheeks with toilet paper or paper towels. Am I hurting my skin by doing this? I love the way it makes me look.

Had really dry red skin from using 5% BP
wash and Bianca. Stopped using them and my face has turned about 50% less dry and red, but that last 50 hasn't changed in about a week. I moisturize twice a day and have short, cold showers. What else can I do to make my color go back to normal?

>>14908047
It is an exfoliator. I've used it before. You mix with water to form a paste that you spread over your entire face, or problem areas. You let it dry for 10-15 minutes then wash it off. It can be used 1-2 times a week.

>>14908377
Soap

>>14908150
Acne is a bacterial disease that lots of people have. Cystic acne or other types of acne that make you look like a Papa John's are extreme types of acne. Salicylic acid may still work on you if you have mild acne.
Hope you're over 18 though. It's been linked to developmental difficulties if you are going through puberty.

Can someone help me pick a body wash and shampoo? What do you all use?

>>14899959
Try some primer. I use e.l.f. Poreless Putty Primer on my face every morning since I have big pores on my cheeks. Pretty much clears up their visibility instantly.

>>14908641
>It's been linked to developmental difficulties
Salicylic acid is literally aspirin

Are glossier actually any good and particularly any good for males? I only know of women that go though and I'm reluctant to go because I have acne (think it'd be embarrassing lmao) even though different products might fix it. I'm pretty happy using the stuff I use now even though it's basic as shit, but I don't know if it's worth trying different products to see if they help.

>>14908836
Aspirin is acetylsalicylic acid, which has a different chemical composition than salicylic acid. Not sure what the implications of this difference are, but they are not the same thing.

tell me if what im doing is bad

Daily:
AM:
Cetaphil
Stridex
Sunscreen

PM:
Cetaphil
Stridex
Moisturizer

>>14909289
some retards may say yes or no based off your routine alone, but the important piece of information is how it is working for you.

>>14909790
just started it yesterday

>>14909263
protip: don't google and then mansplain your ignorance. it just makes you look dumb

i usually wash my face with shampoo when i shower. thoughts?

>>14909858
has anyone ever told you that you look a lot like bork?

I use St. Ive's lotion with collagen and elastin on my testicles every night before I go to bed in hopes of preventing them from sagging. Will post results in 20 years, godspeed.

First time in /fa/
I use only a shower gel that works also as a shampoo.
That's the only thing I use. Give me advice and suggestions on what skincare products should I get and why.
I want to be pic related hot

A313 OR Retin-A?

I think liver spots are a beautiful thing for a Chinese woman to have. Is there a way to ensure I'll have a lot of liver spots when I'm older without having a lot of wrinkles?

>>14898563
https://youtu.be/XW7g_KD52PA

>>14908143
its absolutely the worst thing you can do, start vaping or dipping. I dont know how old you are, but the longer you smoke, the harder it is to quit.

I hate my skin and I hate acne. I probably can say acne (and scars and redness it left) has ruined my life, because it lowered my self-esteem and got me into a hard depression. I am really dissatisfied with how good looking I was in my mid-teen years before my face became a mess and how ugly I feel now in 23. Funny enough, when I see other guys and girls with acne, even more severe than mine, I don't feel like they are less attractive because of it, but when I look in the mirror or make a selfie, I just want to grab a gun and end my struggles or get a bottle of kerosene and a matchbox and set my face in fire.

>>14894271

hibiscrub for acne it covers fungal bacterial don't get it in your eyes you might go blind.

>>14894605

daily reminder that the skin is an extremely complicated organ that completely varies from person to person.

>>14896396

stop laughing

>>14910244
SPF moisturizer in the morning and a PM moisturizer at night will put you ahead of most of the population.

>>14909848
Not an argument.

>>14896396
you're probably sleeping with creases in your face.
try and smooth it out on the pillow before sleeping so it is pressed flat rather than wrinkled

>>14909848
Why do you have trouble admitting you're wrong? Are you really so arrogant, on 4chan of all places?...
>mansplain
Kill yourself.

>>14902589
it's all a meme, only heavy duty things ike accutane work

>>14910811
Not if you have oily skin

>>14910900
So what is the deal with oiy skin
some people say you shouldn't add any extra moisture, while others say you should moisturize even more so the skin doesn't have to produce so much sebum on its own, is skin really that smart?

the whole skin/acne thing baffles me, people have been dealing with it for ages and it still feels like some undiscovered science to this day

At what sun exposure should I even bother with SPF?
Now that it's winter I can have a full week having less than an hour of really weak sun on my face, so it's definitely a waste.

>>14910969
Find a UV index map for your area. Use SPF when it's above 2.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet_index

>>14909289
Is your sunscreen also a moisturizer? If not then you should consider moisturizing in the AM. Using the stridex pads that often could be overly stripping if they're the ones with salicylic acid, maybe only use them in the PM.

>>14909858.
Way too rough. Use something meant for your face

>>14910882
Pretty redpilled but also hormonal drugs like birth control if you're a roastie

>>14910950
Pretty sure that the whole moisturizing can decrease sebum production is a meme. Some dermatologists even say that not everyone has to moisturize. I'm oily as shit but I definitely moisturize because of how drying my active products are. I only use the tiniest dab of lotion on my nose because it's always dripping in oil. You might as well moisturize because it can only benefit you if you're not applying too much.

Is The Ordinary AHA 30% + BHA 2% Peeling Solution good or just a meme?

any psoriasis bros? what do you use for your genital area and ass? fuck it looks so bad, I'm not sure how to explain the flakey skin on my penis and balls to a woman.

Should I still use a facial cleanser in the morning if I shower?

>>14911642
no psoriasis but i have lichen schlerosis on my cockhead so it dries out and looks really white and disgusting and I'm afraid of having sex should the opportunity arise. I also have phimosis to boot but don't wanna get circumcized.

>>14911852
Yes, there is a chance your pores will be clugged after shampoo/conditioner.
Just use it after washing your hair.

>>14896396
24 with the same problem. Here's what I'm trying for now:
>tretinoin (lots of studies backing up this being a legitimately effective wrinkle reducer, especially the longer you use it), 0.5% strength every day
>microneedling with hyularonic acid serum and a 1.5 mm dermapen once a month
>lots of moisturizer and sunscreen
>an additional retinol product (RoC Deep Wrinkle Filler)
Seems to be working somewhat. I'm still going through the tretinoin purge, but I have faith in it because of shit like pic related (60-year-old woman who's been using tret for 28 years; I've seen lots of similar results floating around the Internet). If these fucking smile lines don't get better in a few months I'm giving in and getting fillers though.

Anyone have any products that help with excess oil during the day?
I work in a toasty environment with lots of bright lights all day and by the middle of the day my face is oily and red.
I'm considering adding some sort of powdered sunscreen to apply during the day (or other powder product).
I've changed my routine countless times with a lot of new products but my skin remains the same during the day.
What am I doing wrong?
I usually just use some water to cleanse in the morning, then save the cleanser (Krave Matcha Hemp) for evening in the shower (unless I shower in the morning), Nature Republic Aloe Vera Soothing Gel, and then Sunscreen (forgot brand).
Please help!!

>>14909289
too much exfoliation unless you have extremely oily and thick skin
try using the stridex only 3 x a week
if you compromise your barrier you're fucked

>>14910582
dermatologists almost always advise against complicated routines with lots of exfoliation. don't fall for trends
i agree that people may need to swap out retinol for another active/treatment depending on their needs, but retinol is the gold standard for anti-aging and acne treatment

>>14913000
and it also causes birth defects

I did a course of accutane but had to stop, took about 4200mg. If I start again, will the 4200mg that I already took count for the cumulative dose??

>>14913019
just dont use it when pregnant lol

Been using a BHA 2% exfoliator once a day and it slightly reduces the redness of my face and the oilyness of my nose, but that only seems to last 2-3 hours max, then it reverts back to being red and oily. Should i try an AHA or a higher percentage BHA?

Can I use tretinoin and vitamin C? What about vitamin C and salicylic acid? I've been told not to use vit c during the day but the instructions of my vit c serum say I can use it during the day.

Is it safe to use expired retinoids for scars?
I have dark scars after acne on my arms and want to make them at least less visible.
Found pic rel at home, but it had expired in 2019 october.

Most improvements to your skin will mostly come from the diet you intake rather than what you slap on your skin.
Stop eating sugars and bread and stop drinking coffee which pulls much needed trace minerals from your body.
Eat more wild caught fish, healthy nuts , free range eggs, organ meat,home made organic bone broth( don't eat pho as most places use MSG which is not good for you if you're trying to lose weight) , and a variety vegetables ( saurkraut, celery, beets, spinach, seaweed and mushrooms are my favorite)

>>14913666
One of my favorite things to eat is sliced smoked salmon wrapped with Avocados and some of braggs seaweed seasoning sprinkled on.

>>14913666
>MSG which is not good for you if you're trying to lose weight

Source? It's naturally occuring in tons of different foods

>>14913053
yes but you'll still get the initial breakout and other BS from accutane
didn't even get mine prescribed desu just found some pharma grade accutane on the same site I buy roids and clen from

>>14912210
would isotretinoin/accutane work the same way in reducing wrinkles?

>>14913676
MSG pretty much increases insulin by 300 percent and raises insulin resistance which makes it hard for people to lose weight .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFfkC-7xIPU

http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/msg-and-hyperglycemia/

https://nutritionandmetabolism.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-7075-9-50


>Conclusion
Higher amounts of individual MSG consumption are associated with the risk of having the metabolic syndrome and being overweight independent of other major determinants.

>>14913688
more indepth video on the effects of msg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpTxINPiBxA

>>14913053
>>14913683
>4200mg
>buying it online
Fuck me get your livers checked ASAP
It’s prescription-only for a reason

You’ve probably done permanent damage

>>14913320
vit c during day and retinol at night, if you must. but your skin must be really sensitive from the tret, no? dont forget suncream

>>14913686
highly unlikely since it stops sebum production. dried out skin is more prone to wrinkles and environmental damage

>>14913688
I'll say I didn't know about the relationship with metabolic syndrome, but your second link says higher amounts of MSG correlated with lower rates of hyperglycemia, and the guy in the video just seems like a crank, couldn't find a source for the 300% stat apart from him.

I'd say avoid eating multiple grams of added MSG like in the study, that's a huge amount. But it's naturally occuring in decent amounts in bone broth, celery, seaweed and mushrooms which you mentioned. Anecdotally I'd say added msg could make you fatter just because it makes food taste a bit better so you eat more.

>>14913666
Do I really have to give up coffee? :(

Best vitamin C?

>>14913965
Try some green tea. A bit of l-theanine, caffeine, and is healthy.

>>14913971
vitamin c with rosehips.
Just OD on it and your body will piss out the rest.
I do the same thing with nutritional yeast which has almost all the b vitamins and is also water soluble . Do that an hour before you eat anything so your body can absorb them then eat and take other fat soluble vitamins.

>>14894271
Yikes

>>14909289
stridex was pretty drying for me but it depends alot on your skin. Either way though 2 times a day seems like quite a bit. Moisturizing to help acne is def an under rated tactic.

got these on my forehead and on my scalp, cant seem to get rid of them. have become a anoyying thing as it kinda itches. pls help :))

>>14914087
inside out.
Improve your diet and you will see results within weeks. There is no magical topical cream .

>>14912466
por favor help thread

>>14894271
The FAQ is really helpful thank you I literally came here to ask someone to recommend me a moisturizer because the amount of choices overwhelmed me

>>14913683
Drop the link anon. My primary physician is being a cuck and has been telling me to continue BPO and salicylic acid for 7 months or so even though it hasn't been doing shit. I'm also on OTC .1% adapalene now and he didn't even think to prescribe me Rx Differin or anything else. Adapalene is expensive as shit and if he'd prescribe me something then I'd only pay a $1 copay. I really should just ask him to refer me to a derm: if I can't get my insurance to pay for a specialist visit without a referral.

>>14913634
Aren't most expiration dates for drugs a meme? I would just use it. Worst case scenario it's just less effective.

I think I'm breaking out because of cheese but im not sure. There seems to be a correlation, but its not the next day. I didn't eat for a couple weeks and my skin was ok, then I ate some like 3/4 days ago and now i got so much acne again im legit upset. I dont know what the fuck is going on. It's not even milk, just cheese.

I FUCKING HATE SEBACEOUS FILAMENTS

>>14913666
>>14913688
I have been spending a lot of my time lately on fixing my diet and following almost all the things you said. Also looked into all the things Berg says, I'm doing very healthy keto now, except for veggies. My skin was improved since I started doing all this(7 months ago) but I still get breakouts and I'm 22.
Considering you are also following most of the advices I follow, what do you think can be other causes of acne? I'm also >>14914758

>>14894271
The FAQ says that if you have dry and sensitive skin you should "clean your skin once daily at maximum, or just every other day (or even less)". What counts as cleaning? Using a cleanser? Washing with water? Should I still moisturize twice a day?

I'm 25, so far just use SPF and it seems like my genetics is carrying me hard on the youth side. When babyfaced clean shaved I generally get pegged to be 3 to 4 years younger. Even if there's no super crazy hints of aging, would it be wise to start with things like retinols mid 20s? I notice under harsh shitty lighting that i do have some scarring from teen years, I think some fine lines too.

Biggest concern besides that is redness/ blemished areas around my mouth and temples. Niacinamide after a few weeks seems to have helped reduce it a bit, as well as minimize pores which is sweet. Is it a sleep position thing? Working on diet atm. I just want one clear tone across my face mane.

>AM

Cleanse - Cosrx low ph cleanser (new product, liking it so far)
Toner - Cosrx alcohol free toner
Moisturize - Cerave Moisturizing Lotion
Sunscreen - Dear, Klairs Airy

>PM

Cleanse - Cosrx low ph cleanser
Toner - Cosrx alcohol free toner
Exfoliate - Cosrx Black power liquid ( been really slack using this so no proper results until I commit properly)
Serum - TO Niacinamide
Moisturize - Cerave Moisturizing Cream

I recently discovered pimple patches and fuck I wish I knew they existed earlier, was a dumb cunt who would squeeze them sometimes, scars that could have been avoided. If I get breakout/s, use those and they clear within a day and a half.

I get dry skin in the winter, i.e. now. I've got a hand cream and a lip balm that work but when it comes to my face I don't really know where to start. Can anyone recommend a decent SPF moisturiser or should I just pick one at random?

Pic related it's me getting fucking blasted by an icy wind

>>14894271
Is facial cleanser okay for other parts of the body?

>>14901949
It's the stress

>>14913748
I was using the tret just one time per week (to build resistance). So far so good, except for the annoying peeling. I'm trying to start two times per week now. I use sunscreen everyday so I guess I'm safe with the vit c in the morning right?

>>14915950
No, you will grow noses on your back

I tried the Hada Labo Gokujyun Foam wash and it leaves my face feeling slippery after, until I pat my face dry with a micro fiber towel. Is it supposed to be like this?

>>14917457
yes, it is a hydrophilic moisturizer

Help guys
I've been on metronidazole for about 4 weeks now and I see no results for my rosacea, I can't afford to go back to the derm, what the fuck can I do to get rid of the bumps?

>>14894271
>Skinacea
Everything here was written in 2012.

Any other up-to-date skincare resource guides?

has anyone tried like a 100 dollar product? what happens when you spend that much money and shit breaks you out

how do i get rid of red spots that a leftovers from pimples

how do i get rid of red spots that are leftovers from pimples

>>14919076
Chemical exfoliation and retinoids will heal them faster

>>14919116
is vitamin c also good for that or a meme?

>>14919118
Apparently it can. You can try it but retinoids seem to be the gold standard, and they would also reduce the amount of acne you get in the first place too. I would pick either or but not both for simplicity sake. Vitamin C serum is probably less costly than retinoids; I feel like my cash is getting raped by Adapalene tubes.

>>14919064
You get a refund and written a complaint review

>>14914797
Fuck that faq who the fuck write it’s anyways. If your skin is dry use an oil based cleanser amazon has one from palmers cocoa butter that’s very good. Use everyday

>>14914087
Scabies

>>14917484
I see, thanks. I thought it was not cleaning my face at all.

>>14894271
does anyone know a wonder to accelerate/boost facial hair? im suffering hard and im 25.

I apply dihydrogenmonoxide 2 times a day to my face and it got less greasy, pores are cleaner and acne is reducing.

>>14919354
I'm 24 and wish I had anything close to that beard. I can only grow a long mustache (that still looks meh because my light hair color makes it look thinner) and goatee but nothing on my jaw resembling thickness. Minoxodil and time seems to be the best. Check out r/minoxbeards

>>14919396
this is in a dark room. usually i also have problem with underdeveloped hairlets without much color. i will look into it.

>>14919039
is anything on it incorrect?

>>14919354
we have literally the same beard

>>14919354
Castor oil? Not sure if it would work for beards but I use it on my lashes and hair and it makes them grow faster and stronger

My face is oily even before I started here and I've been using the ordinary ha moisturizer and hada labo foam cleanser for a few months. It's okay, doesn't break me out and my skin is smoother now. Though I thought this would make my face less oilier since I'm moisturizing now, but it's still the same. I've also tried the neutrogena hydro boost gel, cetaphil oil cleanser but same as before. Should I change my cleanser, moisturizer? Or should I look into fixing my diet as these things should be fine?

>>14911070
>UV index
Zero, as far as the forecast go.
Alright then, guess I only need to deal with SAD.

>>14919354
It's based on genetics.

>>14919997
*genes

>>14910581
Is 4% chlorhexidine not insanely harsh on skin? I use it daily to disinfect my hands but seems pretty damn drying.

Been using this for years and high recommendation. You only need small drop of it and you can wash face and neck with it.
I also use jojoba/almond oil

>>14908908
glossier is best for people who already have great skin and enjoy spending money on nice packaging/aesthetics
otherwise it's overpriced and not as effective as other brands

>>14919777
I think moisturizing often even if you have oily skin is a meme. In any case, I've read that Niacinamide is good for controlling sebum production. I've personally been using differin and benzyl peroxide and I've noticed promising results, although I do get peeling in non-oily areas in exchange.

>>14896396
im 18 and i have them :) :) :)

>>14920738
How to get rid of redish cheeks

>>14920743
Oops didnt mean to reply

>>14914797
>What counts as cleaning?
without technical jargon: using cleansers, different kinds of soap, shampoo, et c that makes it easier for oils and other superficial skin components to carried away with water. cleaning is the step that causes the most issues for people with dry and/or sensitive skin.
it can facilitate water loss in the skin, make your skin less pliable and soft, disrupt its barrier functions, and irritate it and aggravate inflammation. this is true even for well-designed product formulations.
that's why I recommend less washing, as other products can achieve the same approximate goals (mainly using exfoliators) without ruining the skin too much. you may want to still use a cleanser regularly, but to a limited extent (smaller amount, diluted, et c). it's just good to know that daily cleaning isn't mandatory.

>>14919227
>who the fuck wrote it anyway?
hello.

>>14913053
The form of vitimin A in accutane can fuck up your liver. The animal form of A works better. If you want to make sure you're not deficient in it, eat a palm-sized serving of beef or lamb liver once a week.

anyone with or had severe eczema? I need suggestions for some good skincare products or advice lmaooo

also thinks that help clean my skin for my face and works fast when i break out is Neutrogena rapid clear cleanser, St ives green tea scrub, and Cerve face moisturizing cream. Also drink mad water that helps a lotttt.

I just found out about retinol. I've read a little about it and it says it makes skin "thicker". Would it then work to reduce dark circle as well?

I have moderate acne. I went to a derm and got a script for bactrim which I'm going to be starting soon (currently on minocycline for the last 1.5 years and using it with epiduo gel, which mostly prevents whiteheads forming but doesn't actually make the red marks go away). Any advice or thoughts on this? She gave me the option of accutane which I would take if I knew it would work with no problems but considering the shit I've read about it causing suicide, depression etc I kind of want to stay away from it, or at least until I start getting desperate.

>>14922230
I would just go on the 'tane now that she has offered it. I understand the sketchy possible side effects but accumulating even more scarring would probably outweigh them, especially psychologically. It's not like antibiotics and epiduo don't have their own side effects too. Considering you've been on antibiotics and epiduo for that long, accutane just seems that much more obvious of a choice.

>>14921283
lmao, the exact opposite
you shouldn't give people advice if you don't know what you're talking about, you could hurt someone
but then again, this is the internet, who am i kidding

>>14902953
Fuck off

>be alcoholic
>alcohol makes me break out

>>14905315
>>14908828
How do you apply primer? Whenever I tried to use it, it was very uneven and noticeable (I use a green-tinted primer to mask the redness). Is there a tutorial for guys or something?

>>14922909
i think i know the solution to your problem

>>14900064
Couple questions,
did you notice any improvements after the first session?
was it worth the cost? (probablt as you are goinf back)

>>14911642
bathe in applecider vinegar (1:5 ratio with the bathwater) with a tsp or two of castor oil.

If you want like, a REAL Solution, take some kind of medication like methotrexate (or one of the many newer pills), and tolerate having non-stop bronchitis.

>>14922961
you can't use a colored primer by itself, it's supposed to be for under even more makeup.

For applying primer (regular or colored), use a nice makeup sponge and get it wet, then wring it out REALLY well. put teensy dots of primer on your face where you want it, and use the sponge to spread/apply/pat

>>14920890
Thank you.

>>14922129
IIRC dark circles are genetic and you're kinda fucked. Also you should be careful with retinoid use around your eyes. Niacinamide and hydroquinone might work?

>>14922660
Yes I've heard that frequent liver eating is exactly what could make you actually overdose

>>14922358
Thanks. Like I said it's mainly the depression shit I'm worried about but I might just have to bite the bullet and try it. I'll probably see a doctor about it as well before I try it though.

>>14923788
severe sides are rare
you're in fact even more likely to get the mental sides now after reading about them

fuck i just want to look like a living human being again and not a creature of the night

Anyone here that don't have skincare routine? I literally only use water to wash my face and my face is acne free because of it. I tried experimenting with different products but I end up breaking out after a week or so. I also started no PMO and my facial psoriasis are gone, must be placebo effect but I'm happy with it

I've been taking care of my skin (and getting older) and i'm looking/feeling much better.

Current Routine:
>Oil Cleansing (can't type Kanji, but its Japanese)
>Cera Ve foaming cleanser
>Paula Choice BHA (spray for body, work some into my nose because SF)
>Cera Ve Moisturizing Cream
>Nivea Super Water Gel (SPF50) for Body
>Biore UV Watery Essence (SPF50) for Face
>Lanolin for lip balm

My current issues:
> Bacne, mainly on my shoulders and top of back. Trying changing body wash right now, if no work, gonna try changing detergent for clothes. Funnily enough, getting sunburned on my back cleared it up nicely, maybe its a Vitamin D thing? idk.

> Sebaceous Filaments: Tons of black dots on my nose. Oil Cleansing has helped, and i've just started the BHA.

Is there anything else y'all can recommend? I'm going off what SCA says rn but perhaps theres something i'm missing.

ALSO:
Is Vitamin C serum worth it?
Are chemical peels worth it?

>>14900384
Just use lotion, i'd imagine. Its still skin.

Alternatively, I've been hearing alot about some kindof "ball balm" on my instagram. Supposed to keep it all supple and nonsmelly.

A note as well. Hair (Pubic especially) keeps you from smelling like ass. If you shave or wax, just be aware of that. its easier to smell bad.

>>14906993
Your skin will get really dry. It may fuck with your mood. It normally sucks during it.

However, it will pretty much completely cure your acne. Just power through dude.

>>14924190
on the contrary. hair always makes things smell worse, as there is greater surface area for bacteria and harder to clean. shave one of your armpits and get back to me.

Took the cold shower pill and my skin has never been so strong and even. Shame it took a while to come to this conclusion but I'm glad I found it.

>>14900450
>>14900452
>>14900454
Pretty comfy routine desu. Don’t know if I could be fucked with all this and the cost- but might steal some of these mate

>>14902589
It’s called a purge, look it up. Will be gone soon

>>14902838
Not touching your face. I bet you lean on your hands a lot

>>14904193
Stop touching your face

>>14908377
Dry off well

>>14912466
Bump

>>14913666
>>14913671
Based and nutrition-pilled

>>14914087
Wash your hair

>>14924193
>It may fuck with your mood.
How bad?

Ouchie, think I missed a few spots with the sunscreen

been like 3 years, skins still shit, looking for advice.

I've tried; salicylic acid, niacinamide,
benzoyl peroxide, alpha arbutin, perscribed tretinoin, dietary changes, OP's aztec secret mud mask and 'drinking more water'

i always cleanse, moisturize and use sunblock, and frequently change pillowcases.

do i just need to get on accutane? seems like a lot of effort to get it :/

>>14924989
>seems like a lot of effort to get it

>go to derm
>say you've tried x y z already
>get a prescription

>>14924989
You can get isotretinoin on a certain bodybuilder-orientated pharmacy site if your derm hassles you. But don't be surprised if it gets seized by customs.

It's pretty retarded how hesitant doctors are about prescribing it. Hurr durr let's just let you develop EVEN MORE scarring and psychological strain by keeping you on wimpy retinoids and antibiotics that don't do shit.

>>14923607
>Also you should be careful with retinoid use around your eyes.
Not him, but are you referring to irritation and other stuff that might occur when used there?

>>14925140
big wait time in canada for a derm and GP's generally won't prescribe it

>>14924185
i’ve been using african black soap body wash for my backne and chest and it’s improved a lot. i know SCA talked about it on occasion which is how i found it. the bar soap makes me break out though

>>14925458
Extra sensitivity and visible peeling for me. I avoid my eye area but I still get extra sensitivity and peeling around my eyes when applying Adapalene to my temples

>>14925584
I know a Canadian buddy who got it from his GP. He lied to him and said he's already tried BPO and salicylic acid and he just gave him his script right there. He also lied about his depression since it's probably a contraindication. He's fine though and his acne cleared up.

Is it true SPF products in the U.S are far behind compared to Europe in terms of quality and UV protection?

face still reddish but flakes gone , based coal tar soap

>>14926030
yes -- the filters they (are allowed to) use are outdated. korean/japanese and european sunscreens are much better.

>>14926156
to add: but for some reason asian sunscreens tend to include alcohol a lot of the time so bear that in mind

>>14925852
fuck it, i might as well try then at minimum he'll give me antibiotics which might help.

thanks for the hope anon

What is the gross black shit in the skin on my cheek? Should I squeeze it? I'm sorry this picture is so disgusting
I've gotten pretty bad acne after switching up my skin care from proactiv for the last few months even though I was my face daily but I just (yesterday) started with the clinique acne line so hopefully that will work for me.

>>14925740
I see. But if you can tolerate it, you should at least put some under the eyes?

>>14899959
You need use corsx aha bha to reduce oil production.

>>14899959
>>14926491
My bad, corsx bha blackhead powder liquid
Use this after you cleanse and tone with witchhazel, then put a moisturizer on

>>14926491
>>14926508
does this really reduce oil production? how?

>>14925584
then stand in like like a good commie, or go to a private derm

Have some epiduo gel which is a combination of BP and adapalene. How should I use it in my routine? I want to put it on at night so should I do it after cleansing or after cleansing and moisturizer?

>>14926189
I can't tell you what it is specifically besides "angry pimple" but I've had those before. It'll heal up. Clinique is shit and overpriced. I don't think you need salicylic acid in multiple products. You need a daily retinoid like Adapalene in your routine. LaRouche-Posay's 45g tube was the best price per unit on Amazon last I checked. I use that together with Cetaphil's daily cleanser, CeraVe's daily moisturizing lotion, and The Ordinary's 10-minute AHA + BHA (the red stuff) for a twice a week exfoliator has been doing great for me. I'm also using Paula's Choice 5% benzoyl peroxide treatment, but it's pretty drying and I don't know if I can give it my approval yet. If you want to use benzoyl peroxide definitely just stick to a 2.5% gel.

If you do nothing else, just get on Adapalene and make an appointment with a dermatologist or your primary care physician.

>>14926912
You can apply it before or after moisturizing. I apply after just before it's super drying doing it before.

Can someone help me come up with a very cheap routine? I live in a shithole and we don't have stuff like the ordinary. I have rosacea and sensitive skin so I usually go for scent free products. All I do rn is simple moisturizing cleansing gel, medicated cream twice a day and SPF 50 whenever I go out.
Help me have great skin pls

>>14919354
lose weight and lose the "beard"

My skin is always spotless and clean when i wake up everyday but as soon as i put anything on it it just goes red again. I've tried lots of different cleansers, moisturisers and exfoliators yet it is the same result. Any ideas?

>not using Lush skincare

>>14927521
lush skincare is garbage. irritating fragrances, harsh ingredients (natural=/=better), no good active ingredients, overpriced

>>14927312
maybe don't do anything? or stick to super gentle basics like french pharmacy brands or cetaphil or cerave. avoid non-fatty alcohols, fragrance, scrubs, using cotton pads and washcloths

fav gentle cleanser that isn’t cera ve? i haven’t had any luck with any of their products, even the moisturizer.
i am going to try the cosrx good morning low ph one. right now i am using a benzoyl peroxide cleanser and it just makes my skin feel like shit

>>14927521
ignoramus

>>14927111
you already have a cheap routine?
what exacty do you need help with?
OTC products won't help rosacea.

>>14894614
w2c and where to place in routine.

>>14895246
whats a good lip balm and hand cream.

>>14895347
based. ty anon.


Also thoughts on Apple cider vinegar? Used to use it back when I was on a serious routine, actually visibily did do well for me from what I can remember. Any downsides tho?

>>14926948
I suppose I will leave it alone then, thanks
>>14926948
>Clinique is shit
I'll be the judge of that soon
>and overpriced
True but I already bought the jumbo bottles and threw out the receipts so oh well
>I don't think you need salicylic acid in multiple products.
I would take your work on that but I've only had luck with proactiv which does have it and only after changing my routine to things recommended to me in these threads has my skin gotten pretty bad. I will screenshot your response and look into those products if clinique doesn't work for me but I'm wary of taking any more anons advice.
I will try to come back in a few weeks and post before and after pics having been on clinique. For reference my skin is super oily and using proactiv without moisturizer never dried it out

Bought Benton Pha peeling toner
How do I use if I want to prevent ingrown hairs from epilation or waxing? After depilation or before?

>>14919354
Minoxidil

>make dermatologist appointment with specific male dr
>get email reminder today
>it's a different one
>a fucking female one

How the fuck do dermatologists work in the US? This is the second time it has happened, and I always get a fucking woman too. All the female dermatologists I've gone to were shit, it's like talking to a fucking robot. I waited 2 months for this appointment just for this fucking shit, now I have to make another one with someone else.

>>14926189
hydrocolloid bandages

>>14928579
I've had the exact opposite experience but okay.

So I wanted to start using a safety razor and will probably get the Merkur 34C HD. What else should I get in the beginning (e.g. shaving cream, brush etc)?

So I wanted to start using a safety razor and will probably get the Merkur 34C HD. What else should I get in the beginning (e.g. blades, shaving cream, brush etc)?

>>14929784
Yeah, you listed the essentials. For the blades you should really try out several different ones with varrying level of sharpness before choosing one specific brand. Pic related is a blade sharpness graphic. I suggest to buy a few at different levels and see what works for you the best, starting with least sharp.

>>14930106
thanks for the advice on blades. as on the other products, i was not rlly asking for general things but like specific products for those things i listed

>>14894271
What a bunch of faggots.
All you need to do is shave and clean your face daily with soap.

>>14930106
Shark tore my face up. Worst razor I ever used. Astra Platinums are great.

>>14930165
>unable to grasp the concept that what work for him doesn't work for everyone else
sad

most cost effective SPF moisturizer and BHA? i want to avoid the very bottom, just something that's "good enough"

>>14894410
Carvedilol is highly effective. Other than that, try the La Roche Posay Rosaliac stuff. You can also hide it with some light concealaers like the La roche Posay Toleriane fluid. Just be sure to match the color with your skin color.

>>14929784
Been using Astra blades with Taylor's of Old Bond Street Eton College cream, and a chinesium brush called "Perfecto" from Amazon. I have moderate acne and I've never had razor burn or other issues. I use a great Aveeno aftershave lotion that got discontinued, so now I just suggest Nivea's aftershave balm (not the menthol one) and your normal non-comedogenic lotion.

>>14926156
Do you know what brands to look out for for further research?

>>14896396
Just smile all the time. Can't see the wrinkles if you're smiling

best the ordinary products?

This is more of a hygiene question but what are the best products to use in and after the shower to make girls know I'm hygienic? Also, I sweat *very* easily. I heard putting deoderant on your face lessens sweating. How do I stop sweating so much?

>>14926189
It's hematoma