/fa/ - Fashion

This what it looks like without Armor

>>14755987
Are you like 5 feet 2 inches tall

>>14755993
No, why? Close tho, I am 5'10"

>>14755993
lel

Been wearing my A2 a bunch over the past couple weeks. Decided that if the day is below 0C I'll wear my Irvin, got one day of use out of it so far.

>>14755993
That's the ideal height for a male

Ok.

Wtf.

Its distressing to blue/grey underneath, and not brown like I expected. Did I dun goof'd?

I put some leather cleaner and lexol conditioner on it and my hard work of precision aging is almost all gone. WTF.

>>14756329
black leather jackets wear like that. the black is based on a blue dye or something.
every black leather jacket ive ever had wore to blueish like your pictures

>>14756336
>>14756329
sorry i meant every 'cheap' black leather jacket

>>14756336

I couldve sworn I've seen leather jackets that has brown spots

How long did yours take to age? Can you post pics? As I said in my OP this jacket is 10 years old, but its not as distressed as I made it with the sandpaper

>>14756341
honestly i dont know, i got out of my sid vicious phase decades ago. can you rub brown dye over the worn spots?

>>14756329
If you want a brownish patina you’ll need to either rub the jacket in sand/dirt after the acetone and sandpaper treatment, then wipe off excess and repeat. Or you could get some leather dye and apply it to the desired areas. Maybe try dry brushing or steel wool.

>>14756347
>>14756378

hmm I shall try and post results tomorrow

How do you get a smell out of a leather jacket? Mine smells like my closet

>>14755981
Just copped, perfect chest fit/sleeve length but the sleeves feel a bit baggy width wise and the waist is a few niches loose. I have super broad shoulders and a skinny waist, cant size down for obvious reasons. Is it worth it/possible to pay a leather tailor to slim the sleeves+waist or should I just stop being a fucking twink and work out?
also its dull af and slightly stiff, any recs for conditioner that darken, soften, and add shine?

>>14756916

Are brown leather jackets effay?

>>14756923
no, only black

>>14756923
Very. Don’t be like that Chinese “WokStar” kid with the black jacket that gets posted here.

>>14756916
>>14756918

I would say both, my guy. You can have the tailor do all that though, thats what I paid mine to do, its gonna cost money. But you and him should pay attention to the arm holes

>>14755981

>>14756378
>rub the jacket in sand/dirt after
Or, you know, some brown dye.

>>14757064
because looking like a turd wrapped in plastic is better gais

>>14757064
>black mannequin
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>>14757827
Seems a bit baggy, no?

>>14758519
>giant head on tiny body

>>14756387
>>14758519
are they like 5ft tall? lmao

After considering it for over a year, I finally ordered it. Iron Heart horsehide jacket.

Super nice leather, great quality construction. Really a fantastic jacket. Sadly, I had to return it due to the fit. It was too short for my long torso. Took some photos if anyone is interested.

>>14758874

>>14758880

>>14758884

>>14758886

>>14758874
Thats a nice jacket, how much did it cost? I think leather jackets are supposed to be short on the torso, looks better imho

>>14758972
https://www.ironheart.co.uk/extinct/ihj-54.html

Not in stock any more, but it was 1600 USD.

I know it is supposed to be a little short but it was too short on me.

Leather jackets should only be worn by women

>>14755981
>>14755987
It is I.

First, you have to consider precisely what you want out of the jacket: is it a jacket to ride with and house armour or is it a jacket that should look excellent without armour, as a casual thing?

Once you've determined this, then you'll know the answer as to whether your tailor should do any other adjustments. Here are a few observations from your pics.

>>14755981
In general looks fine, though the sleeves will be short for your wrists when you're in riding/prone position. With armour it doesn't look any more odd or bulgy than other leather jackets with armor inserts; this is precisely why leather jackets are generally used to ride without armour (i.e. safe, slow cruising on low-populated roads or short distances where you're not going at high speed...no highways in other words). Leather tends to take the shape of the armour underneath, and if you got the jacket wet and dry for long periods of time with the armour in, it'll have strange bulges and creases that you won't be able to get out.

In terms of fit, the shoulders and waist are where they need to be...by if I were you I wouldn't have shortened the sleeves at all. Unless you have long gloves, you'll get wind up your sleeves after 2 minutes of riding.

>>14755987
As a casual jacket without armour, there are significant problems that do not help your frame. The waist is obviously too large, forcing you to tighten-the-belten and thus leaves lots of strange material at the bottom of your pockets. The shoulders and chest are extraordinarily boxy, and because of the extra material at the kidneys it gives you a rectangular appearance (which for men is not good). Combine that with the asymmetrical zipper and you look like you're wearing a jacket that is simply not made well. The shoulders stop and fall where they should, and the sleeves stop where they should for a casual jacket.

It's a tough call man. cont.

>>14755981
cont.

As a leather jacket with armour, it seems to be fine aside from the sleeves being too short. But as a casual off-the-cuff fashion jacket, it would be beyond terrible unless you're going for the late 1980s/early 1990's look of excess material everywhere. A leather jacket with extra space in odd places (the stomach/kidney) and no extra space in the chest or shoulders makes it look like you didn't buy the right size.

Congrats though on losing weight and getting into shape! That's always a good thing. I do understand the intent to not waste, and if you have a leather jacket you can wear, then why not. I just think that if you want it to serve the purpose of looking sharp on you when you're not riding...well, you might be asking too much of your tailor.

Never forget that the purpose of clothing in many cases (like this) is to not only protect the person but also to accentuate the physical factors that influence the perception of masculinity. Men need a v towards the waist...your jacket makes you a rectangle. All the hard work you may have done to get your shoulders to waist ratio excellent without the jacket will not be evident if you wear this jacket casually.

Quite honestly, if you're in the position to do so, keep this one for riding with armour, and stop spending money tailoring it and instead save up and just get a Perfecto that fits you dead-on. Wear that one on short rides or to parties, and wear this one when you go on the highway.

What do you think?

>>14755981
SHIT, I almost forgot. Don't age it with acetone and sandpaper unless you want it to fall apart quicker. Age it by wearing it a lot...that's all it takes. In your pics, it doesn't look brand new, so you have no problem.

>>14756220
A2s are great jackets...one day I'll get one.

>>14756329
Too late. Dear oh dear. Okay. One of the first things you have to do is a test distressing on a part of the leather that no one will see (underside of the belt, interior lapel that is still leather, etc.); that way you can see what it distresses to and if you want to do it to the outside.

Dear lord...the next thing that you have to consider is that aging is like telling a story on the jacket. Where did you fall? How hard? Was it on gravel or dirt? Did you get into a fistfight outside a pub? Etc. Right now, the middle pic looks like you got attacked by a very angry puma while standing on stilts. Sorry man....

>>14756336
Not necessarily; depending on the source of the leather and who tanned it, you can get a surprisingly wide variety. You can in fact request specific leathers to scrape to specific colours...but that is if you have a leather supplier. One always needs to test this before doing it on the exterior of the jacket.

>>14756378
Jesus...no no...no steel wool or dry brushing...no no no.

>>14756393

You can wash it. Technically, a leather jacket can be put in the clothes washer; instead of drying it in the machine, you wear it dry; then it takes on your shape and creases where it's supposed to. Afterwards, make sure to do a Pecard's treatment (essentially replenishing any oils that have left the garment) and you should be good to go.

>>14756916
By the zipper pull and the belt buckle, I'd guess it's vintage...right? Given the size of the armholes and the stress on the left arm...is it early 70s? Considering how much creasing there is on the front of both arms near the shoulder, it looks like this was used for actual riding...cont.

>>14756916
cont.

this may explain why the sleeves feel baggy...they've been used a lot. I wouldn't alter it at all if it's vintage...accept it and enjoy it. That being said, try Pecard's as a conditioner. That'll brighten it up a bit, but quite honestly I like the look of it as it is. Just be aware...your clean-shaven baby-face contradicts the jacket heavily; wear it only with 5'oclock shadow or else it might be mistaken for your father's jacket. (the jacket has more mileage than you).

>>14756923
Yes, very much so. Pic related.

>>14756937
Incorrect.

>>14758874
It was a nice jacket...I've been thinking about one for a while, but just never got around to it. Sorry it didn't fit...but there are always more jackets out there that might.

>>14759248
No. But women look great in them if the jacket fits well.

>>14759920
Is that you?

>>14759925
Yes.

>>14759920
That looks objectively bad lol

>>14759928
writing skills admired though

>>14759928
You misspelled subjectively.

>>14759934
the jacket is ugly, the fit is lame, the belt is ugly, the outfit is utterly unremarkable and normie

>>14759936
You should have bought the extra large size Always this month...how many times have I warned you about that?

>>14759946
stop doing drugs

ok, I purchased a cheap as heck jacket just to see if I can wear it in public without feeling autistic, but I have doubts..

>>14759946
Genuinely curious, what made you decide to buy that jacket and those jeans?

>>14759946
If it was a gift from a loved one, I am sorry to have hurt your feelings. But if you bought it yourself, well then what can I say

>>14759956
No. (((you)))

>>14759957
While it's a good experiment, perhaps the best way to start is to meet with some friends over coffee and wear the jacket to the meet. That's pretty much the 'worst-case' scenario; if your friends are real friends, they'll probably give you some optimistic comment about it and then you can go on with normal conversation...it'll help you feel comfortable in it.

For my eyes it fits fine as a fashion jacket.

>>14759959
The jacket was made by hand in the jungles of Alaska, using the finest frogskin available in the woodlands. The hardware is pure sterling silver, which was surprisingly easy to source.

The jeans are a definite surprise: Japanese in origin, and handwoven and washed by the senior citizens of a small village in the north. I had to trade a Stradivarius and a First Folio in order to get the jeans, but boy were they worth it.

>>14759963
Careful now...you're verging on libspeak. Never accuse those you hate of being the thing you'd hate to be yourself...it only exposes (((you))) further.

>>14759873
>>14759890
>>14759908
>>14759920

Thank you based leather bro!

Yeah it was tailored with the armor in mind, oh well, I guess this would be my armored semi-effay riding jacket!

I have one custom made (no armor) coming through sometime next month, will post and summon you as well, Schott is a bit out of reach for me considering I have tons of leather jackets

as far as aging, the "distressing" did fade when i conditioned it so i guess its all good lol I am planning to paint the hardware black on this though, just to see how it looks and to distinguish this from other double riders that i own

great insights as always

>>14759928

Maybe you should stick to faux leather

>>14759873
>First, you have to consider precisely what you want out of the jacket: is it a jacket to ride with and house armour or is it a jacket that should look excellent without armour, as a casual thing?

I wanted it to be both, IDK if you recall the previous thread, but as discussed, I dont think we can reconcile sartorialism with safety. Its one or the other.

Here is the pic when I wore it for a ride, the sleeves are too short and I took the armor off and it was still too short.

I guess this will be my jacket on rides where I know pics will be taken, somewhat effay jacket

>>14760190
No prob; it's nice to chat with someone who also takes this stuff seriously.

If the jacket was tailored with armour in mind, then it's fine, there's nothing wrong. I can understand Schott being out of reach though; I've always gone custom sizing, so when I spoke with my Schott rep about a horsehide perfecto it was a little disheartening that they'd try to 'find a size that worked for me' rather than just build it and adjust it in the factory. I get it...they mass produce so they can't do custom sizing anymore...but it'll never fit as well as my other jackets. A compromise of sorts...which is why I haven't bought one yet...lol

What you have to be careful about regarding distressing is that you are essentially damaging the skin, and this damage can't be undone. When you scratch it, you remove the outer cells, exposing the inside of the leather to the elements. Unless you seal it up, it'll soak whatever liquids you splash on it into the body of the leather; sealing can be done in two ways: the hard seal (like a plastic coating) or by impregnating the leather body with oil.

By conditioning it, you've made sure the jacket won't soak up water, which is good. The distressing will fade from this, of course, but it'll come back as the oils slowly but surely wick out of the jacket through wear.

As for painting the hardware...it's a personal call. If that doesn't work, why not put a few patches or buttons on it? If this is going to be a leather jacket that is 'going through the ropes', there's no reason not to experiment. Just be sure that if you're going to poke any holes in the leather, you are 100% confident that that's where you want the decoration; holes in leather cannot be patched or repaired: they stay forever.

Your pic looks good; everything in the right place, though one could argue the shoulders of the jacket are too low over your own shoulders. Do you like this one or wear it a lot?

Reminder these pompous ass clueless faggots are rating your fits.

Why don't you stop doing drugs and talking shit, bitches. YOU TALK TOO MCUH

>>14759944
oh, thats moldbug, leader of the alt-right incels

>>14760192
Pic looks sharp!

Thanks for reminding; I wasn't sure if you were the same Anon. From my point of view, it's definitely impossible to reconcile safety with /fa/. For motorcycle jackets, it's a physical impossibility. Even if you go back to the 60s and 70s, it's still not possible. Rockers who wore Schotts had to do ridiculous things to the jackets to make them look good on stage (rolling up the too-long sleeves, removing the belt so it didn't smash their guitars, etc.), and if you have seen footage or pics from motorcycle racing from that period, the riders look like spacemen with extra joints when they're not on the bike (due to all the places of 'give' in the jacket and pants they were wearing).

The problem as we've seen is that fashion houses love the practical look but recognize that it doesn't work on the street, so they modify the elements and remove the practical ones so that the garment becomes /fa/. In short, as you quite rightly said, 'it's one or the other'.

The reason I knew the sleeves were too short was that in your pic without the armor the sleeves end at your wrist, which is proper for /fa/ but improper for riding. If your jacket had shoulder gussets (accordion-like extensions just behind the shoulder), then it would be passable, but because it doesn't, if you lift up your arms the sleeves will pull back about an inch or so. That's why most riding jackets that don't have gussets end down by the first knuckle of the thumb, and why when you wear a riding jacket casually it'll seem very long indeed.

Pic related is what I used to ride with A LOT. It has shoulder gussets (which you can see behind the seams of the shoulders) which allow for the sleeves to extend if I'm in prone position. It took about a week of constant riding to break it in, but boy is it comfy now. My favorite cafe racer to wear, by far.

Anyway, ride safe!

>>14760907
Sorry, didn't know I had a better pic. For other Anons who are interested, leather riding jackets can come with sections of the shoulder which expand or contract, held contracted by elastics behind the lining, to allow for you to stretch your arms out forward (like Frankenstein). If you do this movement with a jacket without gussets, then what happens is that the material pulls back the sleeves from the hands.

A jacket without gussets therefore needs to have longer than normal sleeves in order to be comfortable while riding, but a jacket with gussets does not.

Fashion houses (especially cheap ones) tend to mimic or imitate the gusset look by making the shoulders have accordion stitching, which doesn't actually expand but looks like it does (think of those cheap jackets from aliexpress or the ones that always come from the middle east). It's the 'look' of a real jacket without the function, which is also why those jackets always look cheap. Our eyes don't deceive us in these matters.

The more you know...

>>14756918
IMO that type of jacket looks terrible zipped like that

>>14757827
MEGA KEK

>>14759957
that jacket is terrible it has no shape

>>14760904
Nah, Curtis fucks all day erry day, just look at that jacket desu

>>14760907
>>14760933

Yeah even when tapered it still wont look as good. This one did not even come with a coin pocket to begin with.

Thats some authentic aging there anon, though I am looking for some over the top aging, will probably will opt to paint the back and the sleeves with racing stripes in lieu of buttons or pins, but lets see how it turns out. Although painting the hardware is not really working out atm, the buttons are too shiny for the paint to adhere and now the paint seems to be to thick at some spots. The zippers will require a fair amount of work and patience. Shouldve just bought black hardware and gave it to the tailor to begin with.

>>14760897

That guy sources his own leather and had it tailor made, he can rate your fits.

>>14761128

True, its only supposed to be zipped up for riding, i dont even do that when I do

>>14761202
Re: the aging. Thanks, but I was taught by someone in the film industry, so I've been fortunate. The rules, even if you're going for over-the-top (think Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade), is to make sure that each scratch could have realistically happened when you were wearing the jacket. So, easiest thing to do is find the contact points and hard wear by simply wearing the jacket and taking pics of where it stretches on you when you move a certain way. Your real elbows may not coincide with the elbows of the jacket precisely. Your shoulders may form semicircles a little higher or lower than the shoulder seams, etc. So, you gently do those areas first. Then you do hardware; which zipper do you use the most? That one gets the most distressing. Do any of your fingers brush alongside the hide of the jacket as you zip up or down? If so, then that area gets a little more. Then you do the ends of things: the bottom of cuffs, bottom of the waist, top of the collar etc, depending on the situation (waist usually gets more towards the center because of belts and jeans, the neck is usually soft distressing unless you have 5-oclock shadow all the time, etc.).

After all of this, then you do the really crazy stuff. Did you fall off a motorbike and slide on your back? Okay...then shoulderblades might get a little more. etc.

Regarding the painting...honestly I'd leave it if I were you. If you paint the zippers, the paint will come off just by looking at it, and the buttons won't stay black for long either.

The brown jacket in your pic here is pre-distressed by the factory. What they generally do (every company has a procedure, but it's generally the same); the leather is distressed BEFORE the jacket is sewn together. This is why the distressing throughout the jacket is uniform, but obviously not real.

It's a nice thing to look at, but to any rider it's fake.

>>14761267
Regarding the previous pic. Look closely, and I'll tell you what I did:

1) Look at the distressing of the elbows at the front of both arms. The leather had by this point creased where I normally bend my arms, so now I could distress (sandpaper, CAREFULLY) the upper parts of the creases and leave the lower. Easy. Look at the Left (right in the picture) kidney front pocket. I use that one more than my right one when I put my keys in there. So, it gets more wear. Also, I brush my thumb against the side of the leather when I grab the zipper pull. So, that gets more distressing.

Go up the jacket now: heart/breast pocket is minimal distressing because I barely use it, but again the grabbing of the zipper pull to open it gets distressing because that's where my right index finger brushes alongside the leather.

Moving up, you can see the two circles where my shoulders naturally sit in the jacket. These get distressing depending on how prominent the shoulder is, and then the distressing gradually fades into the rest of the jacket.

The seams of the jacket along the front (that come down from the front of the collar towards the armpits) get more distressing than the seams near the bottom because they encounter more wind/rain/pebbles than the bottom of the jacket, which is usually hidden or flush with my trousers.

Etc. Hell, even the light spots of distressing near the very bottom of the jacket beside the main zipper (do you see it? they look like round corners on either side of the bottom zipper). It's not just a trick of the light, it's where I grab onto the jacket in order to zip it up. Because it's a double zipper, I need to hold both sides to seat the zipper tab thing before zipping up, so both sides get distressing.

Distressing a jacket is a form of story telling: how you use the jacket, where you use it, and how long you've had it. Plus random incidents...lol

Good luck.

You all have a really shit taste and all your knowledge and skills are basically for naught. Acquire some taste, faggots. What are all these dense walls of text for?

>>14761677
They're on adderallmax

How much do I need to spend on a leather jacket

>>14761723
Whatever you do, just get a schott. Don't buy some fucking meme shit from H&M or even an actual brand. The leather will surely look like shit, the details will look stupid (in OP's pic, the super stiff flat and thin collar and belt that's way too low). Vintage or new, take your pic.

>>14761723
several hundred dollars at least if you want real leather (which you do because pleather doesn't breathe and so you will be soaked in sweat if you wear it)

>>14761761
That's what I was thinking, been looking at the Schott cafe racer, suits my style and build

>>14761723
It depends on what you're after. There are lots of options, and your geography and climate matters. Jackets with good manufacture and good leather tend to start around 300$ USD or so; this is because leather as a material is very expensive to produce.

Leather jackets that are lower than this price are either made from inferior leather (both in quality and in use) or are in some other way compromised (this doesn't include extreme sales).

If you sourced leather yourself, then you'd find that to have enough skins to make a normal jacket, you'd be spending around 2-300 roughly for the leather alone, not including hardware (zippers, buttons, etc.) or actual construction (i.e. paying a tailor). The reason companies that mass manufacture can go for a little less is that they do everything in bulk, so it cuts down on costs but it allows them to take a cut for the name of the brand. Thus, a budget company that sells at a department store could sell you a 300$ leather jacket that is fine, but nothing special; it might cost them in total around 200$ to make.

The cost increases based on a few things:
1) Tailoring. Boxy generic cuts will be the cheapest, and more form fitting will be more expensive.
2) Name Brand. Self-explanatory; a Hermes handbag made of lambskin uses no more material than than a lambskin jacket from AllSaints...but the price markup is entirely different in both categories.
3) Choice of materials. Due to skins being organic, they tend to have flaws. If you want a jacket with each panel being perfect, you are asking for more choice skins, which increases the cost dramatically. It's why SLP jackets might be more to manufacture than Schott, which adds to the already high prices they command. But you'll find this if you source your own skins anyway; a 4x4 skin will have blemishes which either you use or you cast away, but buying leather only to throw it away is money well wasted.

>>14761935
cont.
If skins have flaws, the jacket industry solves this problem by using them in their 'pre-distressed' jackets. If you distress the whole damn thing, then the minor blemishes on individual panels don't show up. Then you can sell the flawed skin to the customer and they won't know. It's like what the diamond industry did for flawed diamonds; they artificially colour them black, and sell them to men as the 'masculine' diamond. Rubbish.

If you need to budget, save up 1000USD; anything more is unnecessary for a first leather jacket. Next, go to a store that sells leather jackets so you can try some on. Find out your size, and then keep narrowing down the design until you find something that fits like a second skin. Alternatively, go to an independent and have them construct a jacket to your measurements; it's guaranteed to fit better than anything off-the-rack.

There are lots of factors, but all you need to know is that leather looks good if it fits your body specifically. It never looks good if it's a size too big, or if the waist is too large for you. Finally, price is dependent upon the factors I listed above as well as simple aesthetic preferences that you may have.

Good luck.

>pic is my white long coat that my tailor whipped up for me. I sourced the leather, and he constructed it. Far cheaper than buying one in Hugo Boss.

>>14761723
Concerning Vintage leather:

Pricewise, it's a steal if it's under 200USD. Here are the things you have to consider:

1) Does it fit? No really, does it fit? If it doesn't, it's not worth the cost. The cut of jackets from each era (60s, 70s, 80s, etc.) are idealised for that era, which means that sometimes the generic height to bulk ratio is skewed off compared with the modern day. For instance, both Schott and Wested today produce en masse jackets with generous stomachs; this isn't because of any flaw...it's because the majority of their customers are fat. Back in the 60's this wasn't the case, so the cut of the jackets is different. Same for height; older jackets tend to fit shorter people better because humans were not as tall as they are today (in general).
2) What is the condition of the leather? If there are any holes or tears, these cannot be repaired by any tailor, as the skin is already broken.
3) What is the condition of the lining? What is underneath the lining?
4) Is there mold on the leather from improper storage?
5) Can the leather be restored to a 'factory shine' if you wanted it to, or is it too far gone?
6) Is the style outdated? Leather jackets from the 80's and 90's tended to have excess material everywhere (see >>14761677 pic). While extremely comfy, they are jacket-non-grata in the modern era. If 80's excess returns, then these might...but it's a few years away at least.

Other Anons can chime in here, but this is what comes to mind at the moment.

What do you think of roland sands stuff? Always liked the brown ronin.

This is my daily wear when I'm not working. I like the collar when it's not zipped up.

>>14761677
>>14761677
>You all have a really shit taste and all your knowledge and skills are basically for naught

Trying this hard lel

>>14762075
I considered that before, the problem is I am not one to play the return game with manufacturers. I want to try them on before buying, so I never even ordered

I like the clash better

I'm as intrigued as I am disturbed by the sheer density of autism this thread contains.

>>14762667
I agree. I don't really understand how this thread could exist on /fa/ without getting shit upon immediately. Looks like a boomer circle jerk in here

>>14762752
Fucking seriously man, I have a simple faux leather jacket from express, lined with faux black fur, and I guarantee that jacket has gotten more compliments from random strangers than any of these autismos have gotten from their $1600 travesties.

It amazes me how far people entrench themselves into one article of clothing, in place of a personality

Serious question, what compels people to pose like this? Shit always makes me laugh

>>14762483
You look like John Green

>>14758874
Perfectos are supposed to be short you tool

>>14758884
>Center seam
Indicates shit quality and construction

Thoughts? Should I buy it?

>>14758889
Sorry but this is just a poorly sewn low grade jacket. Picrel is what a properly constructed inner pocket on a leather jacket looks like.

>>14759920
>>14759968
>>14760190
This is the funniest most autistic shit ever, I love this guy.
Why are Peacoats, bombers, MA1, Field Jacket threads etc (NAval military origins) exempt from the wrath of these motorcycle sperg types??

Why is it only ever leather biker jackets on fa that brings out the absolute spergies.

Why do Leather JAcket threads always require some "How-to" guide from some motorcycle riding sperg.

>>14760907
>The reason I knew the sleeves were too short was that in your pic without the armor the sleeves end at your wrist, which is proper for /fa/ but improper for riding
Hmmmm really... ok thanks autistic motorcycle riding sperg.

>>14760933
>Fashion houses (especially cheap ones) tend to mimic or imitate the
They do this for every other type of jacket too though, LOL. Why are you so autistic.

>>14763064

>best item is a jacket which extremely tight at the chest and shoulders
>"working out is modern couture hehehehe"

rick needs a thump

My leather jacket lapels are very long and flappy and go half way down the jacket and I hate that look so I don't wear it, how do I get the lapels to be shorter like pic related? I've tried leaving heavy stuff on top but they always just go back to where they are now.

>>14763091
>>>14763064 (You)
>>best item is a jacket which extremely tight at the chest and shoulders
>>"working out is modern couture hehehehe"
>rick needs a thump
get the fuck outa here .

pic

this is the ideal body for /fa/ you might not like it, but this is what peak performance look like

>>14762776
>I have a simple faux leather jacket from express, lined with faux black fur
>that jacket has gotten more compliments from random strangers
>It amazes me how far people entrench themselves into one article of clothing, in place of a personality

This post is the definition of irony.

Also, I like leather, gtfo with that fake shit. Some of us can afford nice things, you plebe.

That guy knows so much about leather, but its completely useless, cause most of his jackets look like Aliexpress shit, no matter the quality of the leather

>>14759873
Yo, leatherbro:
What type of conditioner would you use for late 1940s vintage German horsehide? I recently acquired a couple of very nice trenchcoats. They really need some conditioning, but I have zero experience with horsehide and I don't want to mess them up. Is lexol any good, or should I be looking for something else?

not him but what about the Leather Honey?

>>14764361
Have you used it on horsehide?

>>14764355
I've never restored anything that far back, so here are educated guesses. Take them for what they are. Also, the fact that they are horsehide is irrelevant; the information is applicable to horse, steer, bison, buffalo, etc.

1) Leather is a skin; to preserve it and keep it from decomposing, we tan it. After tanning, we impregnate the hide with oils which prevent water from getting into the spaces between fibres and repel water from the outside. That's a new leather jacket.

2) The oil in a leather jacket can be removed in two ways; either we put it in a washing machine with soap, or through wear the oil wicks away. If leather gets wet, the water on the surface eventually dries. The evaporation of the water creates a momentary vacuum on the surface, drawing the oil up from the inside of the skin. Then if the oil gets wiped away, we've lost some oil. That's how it works. That's why motorcyclists have to recondition their leather jackets periodically depending on the climate they drive in.

For your situation, there are many unknowns.

1) Is there any mold growing, either on the inside of the jacket or the outside?

2) If they 'need some conditioning', what is meant by this? Are you talking about cracks in the leather, or just general dryness? If it's a crack, the top part of the skin is now compromised, and you can't really repair that. You have to trust that the underside of the skin will hold it together...sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. No amount of re-oiling will fix that because the skin is already damaged.

Pecard's is the most trusted in the industry; I've had no problems, so you can't go wrong. But just remember what conditioning cannot fix and temper your expectations accordingly.

>>14765036
MOLD how do you get that shit off of leather?

>>14765047
*additional info
The exterior of the leather jacket looks clean, but it smells of mold

SMELLS LIKE OLD MILSURP LEATHER BOOTS

Is an SLP leather jacket worth it?

>>14765047
Mold is easy if it's on a surface you can see (i.e. the outside of the jacket); clean it outside (so the mold doesn't get in your house), you can use lots of possible products (including household items like vinegar or diluted alcohol), and then you dry thoroughly (preferably in sunlight) and recondition.

If it's inside the lining, then you have to remove the lining completely, and do the same procedure, though to be honest if it's musty I'd probably take it to my tailor and just ask him to look inside and see what's there. Maybe it would require a new lining anyway, so that's your chance to clean the inside and outside of the leather thoroughly before wear.

It's the reason I never buy vintage leather...I think it's a terrible idea because you have no idea what the jacket has been through, what is in it now (what about bedbugs?) and so on and so forth. But you've already taken the plunge, so go step by step. If there's no mold on the surface, you're good so far. If you're worried about it, take it to a tailor to have them open up the lining to be sure. Mold likes warm, humid damp places that don't see sunlight. So...armpits.

>>14765051
Then that's what I'd do above...lol

>>14765057
No. It's like a leather jacket from John Varvatos.

this fucking plague mang

Why can't they come up with a science in the millennium to exterminate this fucking bed bug scourge? I suspect this nuisance is spread by the russians

>>14765074
>bed bugs
Fug man. What are the chances of bed bugs nesting inside a leather jacket? Aren't those things usually around the bed? Is it common for the bed bugs to be found on clothes in the closet a few feet away from the bed?

How can I make this work? I got this at a thrift shop for $15.

>>14765096
The chance is always there. You need to understand; the human body is great at attracting insects, especially very small ones. We have microbes that live in our gut, on our skin, in our hair, etc. Furthermore, we shed biological material everywhere we go; dust is mainly dead human skin that flaked off. Insects, microbes, etc...they eat that shit.

But here's the kicker: how do you know what the previous jacket's owner went through? How do you know how they stored the jacket? Was the jacket cleaned by the store you bought it from, and if so, how well was it cleaned?

In general, leather is not something that creatures eat; the tanning process not only prevents this but it repels it. The chemicals just aren't tasty. But the lining, especially if it's cotton, can house things like the bedding of a bed can.

I would never buy a jacket that was used by someone I didn't know, let alone one that was 50 years old. I FULLY understand the issue of pricing and cost...I get it, and I will always have sympathy for someone who is not well off but wants a garment that can last for a long time.

But the price you pay with one accident is too much. A transfer of bed bugs from a jacket to a couch in your house...then the couch to your bed and carpets....it's just not worth it.

>>14765098
Double-breasted leather jacket, looks like 90's style (by the lapel design, the outer breast pocket, and the fact that it's double-breasted but not a peacoat). How do you make it work? Dress like a film star going to a movie premier in 1994. Lots of colours, whites, reds, etc.

>>14762576
Didn't consider that, I used to live pretty close to their hq so it wasn't an issue. Now it is I suppose.

>>14759968
Nice Dante cosplay.

>>14755981
All you had to do is to wash the jacket https://www.instagram.com/tv/Bxhr1RkHGja/?igshid=y8qlm2wiwn53

>>14759968
> if your friends are real friends, they'll probably give you some optimistic comment about it and then you can go on with normal conversation...it'll help you feel comfortable in it.

have you ever had real friends. They'll give you shit about it endlessly until you decide you've had enough at which point you'll be throwing hands at eachother

that's what true friends do, help you get some scuffs on your jacket and toughen you up a bit

I've never seen such garbage baby back bitch advice

>>14765098
You cannot

>>14765036
Thanks, I appreciate your insight. I was under the impression that different types of hides required different conditioners, nice to hear that's not the case.
They are really in excellent condition, no signs of cracking or mold, barely even a scuff. They are just a bit dry and stiff. I live in a very rainy climate so I need to get them as well oiled as I can.

>>14765400
Thanks. You're the first to make the connection. Also, it's dOnte, not dAnte.

>>14765453
My god, your generation truly is fucked. My friends aren't like that at all...there will be a gentle ribbing or perhaps some advice about how to make something better...but after that life moves on to more important things.

Where's the love man? That's what friendship is also about; helping each other to be better men. Yes, adversity is an option, but so is compassion and the ability to support and listen to each other.

>maybe you need to look for better people to have as friends Anon...
>>14765883
The only leather that requires different treatment (that you'll likely encounter) is suede or nubuck. Maybe you should just get a pack of Pecard's Antique leather conditioner...follow their application procedure (on their website) and see what you get. If there are no crachs or mold, or scuffing, then condition them and then wear them with pride. There's no point having a leather jacket if you don't wear it.

I want to get a black double rider, so I need some non-brown shoes to go with it.

I lean heavily towards slip-ons, so I guess chelsea boots are the obvious option, but are there any black loafers that could work with jeans and the least dressy leather jacket out there?
I already have brown chelseas, so another pair in black feels redundant.

Rockabilly shoes, obviously.

you are gay

Is there a non-boomer way to wear leather jackets?

Is leather jacket something you can wear when the temperature drops near zero degrees Celsius?

>>14766773
with a sweater, why not?

>>14766777
Russian life span is that of a nigger

>>14758874
what a beautiful jacket. i'm sorry you had to return it. not really my style or colour but the quality is quite apparent

>>14766314
your friends should love you enough to beat the shit out of you

>>14765074
>No. It's like a leather jacket from John Varvatos.
lmao
cope

>>14765435
I did that with my other jacket. So what did he do exactly? Just soak it in water and it shrunk? I dont speak Japanese lol I wanna try. Anyways, if youre talking about the size then the zippers will be all fucky, and the armor pockets wouldnt be there

>>14766516
Try pic related at >>14761202 but in black. You want your shoes to match the jacket's intensity without being "too punk" I am trying to see if Black Corcoran jump boots will work for it, or maybe doc martens. I have tons of brown as well.

>>14766771
No. For zoomers, just stick with faux leather until you get a real job. Which you wont because the real boomers fucked everything up for the rest of us.

>>14766773
>>14766777
Yes. The bomber jackets were for aviators operating at such temperatures. Just layer up.

Cringe

>>14767564

Are you ok, friend?

This is the only way it looks good.

>>14767921
If you're a Twink that don't lift, then yes

Never seen perfectos look good outside of runways, they just scream tryhardness

Normal leathers look good as long as they fit. Even beta manlets look better in them

>>14766773
Yes, as long as it's lined. Just be aware that leather is not good at retaining heat; it's strength is in windbreaking. That's why B-3 jackets with shearling look like Stay-Puft if they're real; they have to be, or else they wouldn't be warm. So, you can wear a leather jacket in cold weather (I do all the time); either layer up (sweaters, scarf, etc.) or get a shearling. No matter what, /fa/ begins to fade when you do cold weather with leather, because your form disappears through layering the colder it gets.

>>14767485
I'm actually very precise about this. The similarities are in every point: non-functional, choice skins for each panel, huge mark-up, and the only clientele who want to wear them are people who want to show others that they wear an expensive brand. It's all the same...and all so tiresome...

>>14766516
Just get some black boots first, and go from there. I wouldn't get chelseas though...try something with buckles...something hardy to match the hardiness of the jacket. After that you can expand outwards depending on how you dress up or down. The double-rider has been used to dress up over the past decade, especially since tattoos accomplished the same feat, so start with David Beckham-core and work your way outwards.

>>14766771
Always, but it depends on fit and what you combine with it.

>>14767921
This is actually a lesson in why this stuff doesn't work off the runway. The model's body does not interfere with the lines and shapes of the clothing, which is ideal. However in the real world this isn't the case, and clothing only begins to look good when it accentuates the good things about a body and hides the bad. That's why SLP tends to look like pic related on anyone who isn't starving, and it's also why a standard Perfecto can look good on many people if they're moderately fit.

>>14768198
I've seen them look great on 60-year-old riders, on 20-something guys just starting out, and so forth. It's possible.

>>14768345
>your form disappears through layering the colder it gets.
Exactly this. I hate turning into a sack of potatoes to protect myself from freezing.
I layer with some high-tech fabric insulating undershirts but it's not enough. You have to go heavy if it's cold

Shearling is great, if you have to do any walking/working outside that's not overtly physical, but requires you to stand around for a prolonged period outside.

So I got a question about where to find a leather jacket that will fit me.

>5'7"
>135 lbs
>triangle/ trapezoid shaped torso from broad shoulder muscles

every leather/ faux leather jacket i've tried on or worn has never fit right. They're either too long or too wide in the torso. They hang on me and look really baggy. I've almost given up on finding one that will fit right, but if there is any brand out there that I should look at I'd like to know.

I love all my denim jackets, but I don't want to wear them out of necessity.

>>14768754
You may have to go custom.

If you're in North America, given your height and weight measurements, assuming the weight is from muscle, you are not inside the 'off-the-rack' measurements for the general public for a medium to large, or size 36-42 chest. Sleeves might be okay, but the waist will always be too long. If you wanted to get a shorter jacket, the chest would be too tight; does this describe your experience?

Also, take into account that jackets for westerners are generally cut with generous stomachs because the majority of the customers will be fat.

The bottom line is that your height is what fucks everything up. To solve this, you have one serious option: go with a company that does custom measurements.

Aero and Vanson do custom. Wested used to, and Schott tries to talk you out of it. Beyond this you can go with independents like Jonathan Logan.

Alternatively, you could buy one off-the-rack and take it to your trusted tailor. If you have zippers and buttons on the cuffs of the sleeves, expect your tailor to shorten the sleeves by trimming the shoulder area. Changing where the waist and back fall to requires the tailor to remove the front zipper and sew it back on afterwards; if you have a good tailor it is barely noticeable, but if you don't, then you'll see the redo.

I wish I had better news for you, but large-scale leather manufacture means large-scale for the general public, and if you are not within that size expectation, then you have to go custom in some way in order for the jacket to look good on you.

>>14768716
Please stop posting this shitty ass larp

>>14769181
i'll trust you on that assessment. I feared this was going to be the case.

My only question is should I look into straight to hell apparel? they're an online store that appears to sell leather aimed at a slimmer demographic, and most of their jackets run as small as a 34. my worry would be that they would still be a little loo long but I don't know if they're worth checking out at all.

thoughts?

>>14769191
Just a cursory look, here's what is important to my eyes.

1) All of their jackets are buffalo; no problem, I have one in my collection (>>14761267), and the grain and wear is awesome on it.

2) They're all made in Pakistan. I've had a few jackets made there (I've talked about this a lot and why it's not a problem), so as long as you're okay with that, then that's fine too.

3) Their sizing guide is bullshit though. Proper sizing includes sleeve length, back length, waist circumference or diameter, in addition to the normal chest measurement.

Your option is to e-mail them directly and tell them your measurements and see what they can do. They don't say if they can do custom (so I'd assume they can't, especially at this price-point), so once again you may be out of luck.

Which model were you looking at?

>>14769209
Sorry, clarification on point 1: my jacket in that pic is made of Buffalo, but it's NOT from straight-to-hell apparel. I've never bought anything from them before, nor do I know of their reputation. Everything on it seems fine though, fwiw (as in, no alarm bells ringing about them taking your money and not giving you a jacket or anything like that).

>>14769209
I liked the look of either the Commander or the Logan. I have enough jackets with a single breast so i was looking to broaden my closet with a motto zipper.

At this point it wouldn't hurt to email. I'm tempted to drive to the nearest place that sells their jackets and try one on. Only problem is it's three hours away.

>>14769226
E-mail them first. That being said, before you do so, take precise measurements of the best leather jacket you own (in terms of fit) so you can e-mail them to say, 'I have this jacket with these measurements that works for me. I'm interested in your product; is it similar in size, and if not, how different is it?' (obviously don't sound like Dwight).

Remember, you want to establish sleeve length (usually measured from the shoulder seam, but sometimes measured from the collar instead), back length (collar down to end of jacket), waist circumference or diameter, and chest circumference or diameter.

I had to do the same when I was searching for a Perfecto that would actually fit me right. Sometimes you just gotta do the legwork (i.e. e-mail companies to find out what fits); then after you know what works, you can call brick-and-mortar shops to see if they have that precise model in the shop so you can try it on. No point driving 3 hours if they don't have your size...always call ahead and speak to someone in person (don't e-mail for this kind of thing...if you talk to someone, they usually check with their own eyes in the shop, whereas e-mail they tell you yes just to get you in the store).

If they don't have anything that would fit you spot-on, then discard them and move on to the next company. Don't have your heart set on them specifically...be flexible enough that if you find a Schott or Aero or Soul Revolver or whatever that fits you dead-on, then you go and get it. Price is one thing, but fit is the ONLY thing.

Good hunting.

>>14769241
thanks anon!