/fa/ - Fashion

Do you NIGGERS prefer:
>hamilton
>oris
>tissot
>tag hueur
?
I'm wanting to get into watch collecting but am too poor for based brands like Tudor. And Omega is boring so dont even

>>14241493
Of those four? Oris. They're independent, at least.

>>14241493
i exclusively wear longines and mumbai pateks

>>14241499
>mumbai pateks

Checked!
The digits just made a new meme.

>>14241499
Check out my new watch. Buddek Fleep! Veddy autentic, sir, autentic.

Open casebak? No, sir, veddy sorry. Opening is bad for waterproof.

>>14240954

*dabs on every poorfag casio owner ITT*

>>14241506
Sir, what a bloody jolly good sdunner, siirr.

>>14241506
>I don't know the year it was made or even the model number.

>>14241506
>>14241502
>>14241499
>>14241509
>>14241510
>poorfags coping before I even post the watch

>>14241507
>>14241506
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>>14241512
Classic /wt/ holy fucking shit

>>14241507
What happened to the dial? Were all the gold indices removed or is that just a bad picture?

>>14241512
Please tell everyone in the thread how much you paid for that.

>>14241516
those are special indicies from the mumbai patek micro artist studio. thats where the higher end pateks are made like the bagelsport nautilus and our friends PETEK

>>14241507
It's a...nice...watch

>>14241519
Did that idiot seriously pay fucking 6k for that frankenstein???
Fucking biggest idiot in this thread.

>>14241521
No seriously. Look at those gouges in the dial. Those are supposed to have gold strips in in them
like this.

what do you expect, he only paid 6k. did you think they would include the full watch?

i think most of us still arent convinced there is a movement in there

>>14241507
That dial looks like a variant of the poljot / luch 2209s
Open the case, I predict there is a fucking luch 2209 in there lmao.

>>14241524
And the thing is, he probably thought, "Well, I've got the watch thing all squared-away for the rest of my life. It's a Patek, I can't possibly upgrade and no one can ever say my watch isn't inferior."

why are you all so horrendously poor that you're seething over a shitty 6k patek?

Best sub $100 watch?

>>14241547
This guys "patek"
>>14241507
>>14241507
>>14241507

>>14241538
Look at the kerning between the letters in "PATEK PHILLIPE" and "GENEVE" on a genuine and then look at the ones on the "totally authentic one".

The one that's better than the Casio is proportionally even letter spacing. The one that contains a Casio movement has spacing all over the map.

>>14241538
>Open the case,
He claims he can't figure out how. Don't bother, we tried to explain it to him in the last thread.

>>14241545
>why are you all so horrendously poor that you're seething over a shitty 6k patek?
Hey now. Hold up. We haven't yet determined that it even IS a Patek.

>>14241516
They're still there. Bad pic, its gold so they were reflecting light.
>>14241527
>>14241521
SEETHING poorfags

>>14241553
Quality soviet dial printing.

>>14241559
Ok this is probs tudor spending his hard earned autismbucks to troll wt again

>all it takes is 1 cheap patek to derail this shitty general
damn

>>14241559
>They're still there
No, they're supposed to be raised, applied bars, not unevenly-cut gouges cut roughly into the dial and filled with gold paint.

Do you HONESTLY believe that a dial like that would leave the Patek workshop? Despite the name, it's not a French company. They take QC seriously.

GOOD DAY SIRS, AARTIBALDEV CHANDRAKANT THE SREE HERE.
TAKE A LOOK AT MY NEW GOLD STUNNER FROM OUR NEW SPONSORS.

IT'S A GOLDEN STUNNER, A BLOODY GOLDEN STUNNER, SIRS.

(i genuienly lost my shit when i found CHANDRAKANT in the indian name list)

>>14241573
The trolls now vastly outnumber the regular non-troll posters. This general is essentially an ambulatory corpse at this point.

>>14241573
>patek

>>14241580
>(i genuienly lost my shit when i found CHANDRAKANT in the indian name list)
Why?

>>14241576
>No, they're supposed to be raised, applied bars, not unevenly-cut gouges cut roughly into the dial and filled with gold paint.
prove it, casio poorfag

>>14241586
He introduces himself as "archibald chesterfield the third".
I was looking for something similar sounding.
He also uses "cunt" a lot.

>>14241583
It's way more fun this way. If you want to have a fucking boring, dry discussion, respectfully disagreeing and cocksucking, go to reddit and stay there.

>Suggest a watch for me.
>Your budget
6,000 USD, give or take

>Watch type, e.g. dress, diver, flieger, etc...
Dress watch, precious metal, not steel. Something I'd wear with a suit or even a nice shirt and trousers.

> Desired bracelet option, e.g. leather, nylon, metal
prefer leather

>Wrist size or desired watch size, e.g. 17cm / 38mm
7-7.25" wrist, depending on heat and humidity. I want a dress watch so something smaller than 40mm

>>14241601

>>14241588
Listen up, fuckstick, you may not like it, but this thread is actually trying to do you a favor. Go dig up the receipt and get your money back.
Don't give us any bullshit about suing the company you bought it from either, because if you can't afford an actual Patek, you sure as fuck can't afford a lawsuit.
So cram your attitude up your ass.

>>14241477
You're all fucking POOR

>>14241573
i refuse to have a serious /wt/ discussion until we're back on /g/

until then, its back to discussing patek philippes recent expansion into India and some of the resulting G O L D S T U N N E R S that would even make C R A I G S H I P P proud

>>14241507
Especially you, odd fucking flex pal

>>14241606
nice DaytoooOHNONONONO

>>14241600
As if any of the buypig brand whores on Reddit know anything whatsoever about horology, chronometry, or the technical aspects of watchmaking the way several of the regulars who used to post here did before a few seething sperg lords spent 2+ years systematically destroying this general.

>>14241603
>your watch is fake because uhh... well I don't have any proof... but it makes me feel better about my 300 dollar casio

>>14241612
No, u.

>>14241617
you should know when everyone is telling you the same thing, its very likely theyre right and youre wrong

i know you think youre superior to us because you own a "patek" but you might want to listen to your fellow anons

>>14241619
>no actual proof just 3-4 seething poorfags who are mad they can't afford a patek
hmm yes they know better than a reputable luxury watch vendor from boston
wtf I'm redpilled now

>>14241623
I think your watch is real, but it's odd that it's vastly cheaper than the other watches listed on their website.

>>14241617
>300 dollar casio

Bruh, whu would flex so hard, baka...
>>14241613
I bet there are a few that know some more technical stuff. But you are fully right on the buypig stuff.
I lurked here for years and those technical posts were boring as fuck, desu. It's just natural that people start to shitpost. Also, nobody hates on technical posters here. They still manage to spark a good discussion.
The shitposting is fun and refreshing. Like i said, if one wants to see a clean discussion, reddit is an option. But i would miss shitposting hard.

>>14241601

Would you want to wear it on a boat as well?

>>14241627
That's because it has some pretty deep scratches on it and the face has two gashes near the Patek Philippe lettering.

They've got a golden eclipse there right now (which I freely admit is a better looking watch) for just over 5k:
https://www.europeanwatch.com/30929.html

>>14241618
Nah, just fucking with you. It's a great watch. Omega did bite off the Paul Newman style pretty hard, there, but 99% of normies wouldn't know that.

Better still, it's probably never been to India.

>>14241635
I honestly don't know jack shit about watches man, i browse /fa/ for other reasons and just felt like shitposting

>>14241623
then post fucking proof or get the fuck out pussy

im sick and tired of your shit. we dont know you and have no reason to trust you. if you want to prove that you have a real patek then do it (since you claim yours is real and from a reputable seller that should be absolutely trivial)

until you post proof everyone here is going to keep thinking that you bought a fake ass watch. if you want the "respect" that you THINK you deserve for owning that watch the least you can do is prove it real. also newsflash, nobody 99% of ppl (including those in this thread) could give a shit if you own a patek

>>14241634
>They've got a golden eclipse there right now (which I freely admit is a better looking watch) for just over 5k:
Which is quartz and a women's watch. If it was mechanical and men's size, it would be at least double that.

And it's still the only one even under 10k.

On top of that, why would you spend 6 grand on a watch that looks like it was stored in a rock crusher? It objectively looks like shit. I suppose you could always lie, tell people it's a family heirloom and that's had a rough life, but if you tell anyone that you paid for that they'll look at you as the living embodiment of the saying "A fool and his money are soon parted."

For 6 grand, you could have had pretty much anything except a Patek. If you'd saved up 6 grand, couldn't you have saved up a little longer and bought a nice one from that store?

>>14241640
>no one cares if you own a patek
>entire thread seethes with jealousy and reflexively claims its fake
what did this poorfag casio owner mean by this?

>>14241642
>watch that is guaranteed to increase in value
>durr u dum fo buying dat
okay cleetus

>>14241601

>>14241638
Well, congratulations, because you currently have the nicest watch in the thread so far.

>>14241646

>increase in value

Until it needs service..

>>14241648
On the next watch thread i'm gonna try to post it early for the (you)s.
This thread is already derailed from that whatever other watch

>>14241646
>watch that is guaranteed to increase in value
Jesus christ. That didn't mean all Pateks. Just actually collectible ones. Did you actually think all Pateks become more valuable, regardless of condition or provenance?

It's not a Nautius, for Christ's sake. You don't even know if all (or any) parts are authentic.
Call up the store you bought it from and see what they say if you tell them that you discovered the watch was re-cased.

>>14241643
you're the one spamming your ugly ass watch while simultaneously acting superior to others because of it. ppl are shitting on you because youre an absolute ass m8 not because of your watch.

just go post it on reddit. im sure you'll start up a huge circle jerk there and everyone will fall to their knees to praise you spectacular watch

>>14241652
service will actually be really cheap. Patek service on vintage pieces can be colossally expensive, but Patek doesn't service frankens.
he'll give it to the local watchsmith who'll clean it, lube it, and swap the movement out with something that fits and runs.

if you think a guy who will pay 6k for a patek just because it says patek will pay to have it serviced, that's just being gullible.

>>14241660
>just go post it on reddit. im sure you'll start up a huge circle jerk there and everyone will fall to their knees to praise you spectacular watch
sure, until someone points out that the printing on the dial looks a little off and, oh, how come all the hour markers have been removed?
then it will be this, but with our 'patek' owner furiously downvoting everyone.

>>14241655
I know all the parts are real because it was sold with the original documentation from Patek
it's also vintage

continue to cope like these poorfags:
>>14241660
>>14241665
lmao

>>14241612
fukken kek holy shit

>>14241665
im not sure why ppl are assuming theres a movement in there....

we've only seen pictures at this point. at this point im not convinced those hands are even designed to move

>>14241673
>it's also vintage

I just realized what he's doing. He keeps digging deeper because eventually he'll get to India and he can exchange it for that vintage Carter he also had his eye on.

>>14241673
Tell us, when you were buying this, did you actually match the documentation with the case number and the movement number? i.e. you saw the movement with your own eyes as is entirely normal and reasonable when purchasing """vintage""" timepieces?

>>14241682
i actually think hes gonna get the GS with the beautiful brown textured dial. kinda like the snowflake expect inspired by a different substance than snow that covers the streets of mumbai


>>14241694
AHHAHAHAHAHA YOU ACTUALLY THINK HE THOUGHT OF THAT? He probably didnt even get patek papers, they just gave him the booklet for that shitty longines and said it was PETEKS parent company

>>14241694
no I didn't, why would that store lie to me? they risk a lawsuit, and they've been there for two decades.

>>14241507
I know for sure now that you're trolling and you only paid probably< $400 for this shit. It's 100% fake and it also doesn't suit you, you dumb gaymer faggot.

>>14241617
Have you offered any proof at all that your watch is authentic?

All we have so far is a story about having purchased it at a store for a suspiciously low price.
But we also have a lot of extremely unusual things like an unsigned crown, an unsigned caseback devoid of hallmarks (i.e. the organization that verified the gold purity), a dial terrible condition with suspect printing.

More to the point, what did the seller say when you asked him about these issues? Did you even ask him?

>>14241707
lmao that anon read patek and handed over the 6k immediately. seller probably only asked 5k, but he gave 6k when he was imagining all the compliments he was gonna get here

>>14241703
>i actually think hes gonna get the GS with the beautiful brown textured dial. kinda like the snowflake expect inspired by a different substance than snow that covers the streets of mumbai
That, unfortunately costs way more than 6k...wait a minute, "European Watch Store" is selling a 6S with a brown dial for just five thousand dollars!

>>14241545
>seething
LMAO NIGGER WE'RE LOLING OUR FUCKING ARSES OFF HERE STUPID FUCK PAID 6K FOR AN INDIAN SWATCH WITH A PATEK DIAL

>>14241703
>coping casio poorfag breaks out the capslock
seething

>>14241707
I'm not poor and I'm traveling right now so the documentation is not with me
>All we have so far is a story about having purchased it at a store for a suspiciously low price.
look up similar watches, they're all between 5 and 7k. you know nothing about pateks I guess

>a lot of extremely unusual things like an unsigned crown, an unsigned caseback devoid of hallmarks
you literally haven't even seen a picture of the crown. I think you might be schizophrenic bro. I'll post a picture of it though just for you. and these models didn't have signed casebacks. prove me wrong, go find one that did

>it doesnt even have a signed crown bro! Totally fake

oh NO NO NO

>>14241704
>they risk a lawsuit
lol, no they don't. they say you swapped out the movement for a Casio and you can't prove that you didn't.

Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

Also, how are you going to afford a lawyer? You spend your money on that "Patek."

>>14241718
>I'm not poor and I'm traveling right now so the documentation is not with me
M-my girlfriend lives two towns over.

Oh my god it can't keep getting funnier!

>>14241721
>not realizing they have pictures of the watches sold online
hmm yes good little scam they've got going
how'd you become such a shrewd detector of scams anon

>>14241723
Yeah, I'm sorry you're poor bro. Not my fault. Maybe one day you can travel outside your country

>>14241720
hey nice looks like the indian fakes are improving

soon, they'll actually start putting movements in the watches

>>14241731
>gets btfo
>h-haha its just a really good fake
holy cow this thread is a goldmine

>>14241730
Why would anyone want to live in a third world shithole like paris?

>>14241730
I actually feel a bit bad for this dude. He probably saved up for a while to afford that watch and was exited to post it here and impress all the anons. unfortunately this happened...

congrats on the watch anon. wear it in good health

>>14241724
>how'd you become such a shrewd detector of scams anon
Common fucking sense.

If you're buying a old watch from a non-Authorized dealer, you ask to see the boxes and the papers and you have them remove the caseback to check the hallmarks and you match the serials to the papers and then you ask them to hold it while you verify all of this with the parent company.

Basic shit.

>look up similar watches, they're all between 5 and 7k. you know nothing about pateks I guess
watches in that condition are usually much cheaper and or scrapped for their precious metals, or sent to India where they are reconstituted as Frankenwatches.

You truly believe that you have an investment-grade piece there, don't you?

I suppose the sad part is that you'll never post in a week or two went something inside went click and it stopped running altogether so we can all repeat this exercise.

>>14241730
>le 7ème
shit-tier arrondissement, enjoy your eiffel tower faggot

>>14241738
I've spent more on my recent trip to france than on this watch.
continue to cope poorfag

>>14241747
recent trip? i though you were there right now?

why are there so many holes in your story anon?

>>14241747
Yikes. I’m suffering serious second hand embarrassment for you after this whole exchange.

>>14241738
>I actually feel a bit bad for this dude.
I would if he hadn't copped such an attitude.

Plenty of anons have posted perfectly nice watches and received compliments. This guy shows up and assumes everyone here is a poor stupid fuck who will be in awe of any Patek.
Why do you think his only retort is "hurr you're a casio owner and you're poor."

I want to be there when he tries to re-sell it.

>>14241730
don't worry bro I'm on your side, you should be feeling happy that you allowed these peasants to even see a Patek on their screens since they'll never see one IRL.

>>14241741
>If you're buying a old watch from a non-Authorized dealer
https://www.europeanwatch.com/
yep, definitely a scam. you got me bro

didnt read the rest of your post lmao

>>14241751
I mean, my current trip. I was also in france last month and I stayed at the Bellagio in Paris, where you can't afford to you because you're poor.

>>14241758
Where's your proof you bought it from them? You might as well say you got it from an AD.

>>14241751
>I've spent
>I have
doesn't even know what the present perfect is
sad!
this is why we need better schools in the US

>>14241753
I'm suffering remorse that I've exposed you unwashed peasants to the finery of my lifestyle and now I've created a seething mob of poorfags

>>14241756
Fucking this. People act like no one can afford can afford nice things.

Here's mine. It's my go-to watch for everyday situations.

>>14241771
what is that?

>>14241773
I'm not sure of the year and I forget the model number, but I bought it from an authentic store.

>>14241773
unreleased mumbai PETEK teased at baselworld (well not really AT baselworld, but at around the same month. they couldnt make it to baselworld for some reason. something about copyright infringement and not allowing fake watches). NDA for it hasnt been lifted yet so you probably shouldnt be posting it you might get in trouble

can someone actually link me to a fake patek-philippe from the 1950's? For a 5k dollar watch I think it might be harder to find a passable counterfeit of such an obscure vintage model than just buying the real thing

>>14241766
>unwashed
You mean like your watch, Air-Kinger?

>>14241778
Glad you're enjoying it friend! Wear it in good health! Don't mind all the seething cucks ITT, they can't even afford to look at it!
>>14241788
Awesome! I'm super jealous!

>>14241792
>Air-Kinger
dude I think his watch is ugly but just stop with this shit, cringing every time you post this. jesus

>>14241791
5k? You can get a Calatrava in beautiful shape for a little over a grand.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/PATEK-PHILIPPE-18K-white-Gold-Calatrava-Box-Brown-leather-mens-watch/352634611900?hash=item521aa928bc:g:zpIAAOSwfiZcpdal

Imagine thinking perlage and geneva striping makes your shitty mechanical watch worth covetting. These finishings are year 1 watch making school techniques. If you're gonna go swiss at least go for one of the more special brands like MB&F. If you have the money for haute horology and are considering gay swiss shit over the based jap Grand Seiko you have fucking rocks in your head. KYS.

>>14241791
>can someone actually link me to a fake patek-philippe from the 1950's?
Literally take any lesser known Italian Swiss brand and put PATEK PHILIPPE on it.

>>14241791
It's not 100% fake, it has real patek crown and real patek dial, but underneath it is a cheap ETA made from 10000 different watch parts, or probably doesn't have a movement at all.

>>14241811
and how do you know that?

>>14241802
KEK at this ebay listing.

>Brand:Patek Philippe

>Any questions before actions ! Serious buyer !


>Guaranteed Authentic ! Excellent condition !


>Only accept PayPal that safe for buyer


>Automatic moevement, date watch
>Ship it out next day after payment !

>>14241791
It's not an obscure model, it's not a model at all.

When the actual factories service damaged watches, they're supposed to destroy the old components, but what they actually do is keep them and sell them to a guy in India.
They take that scrap dial and scrap movement, fit it into an off-the-shelf case and say it's from so long ago that the company didn't keep good records from back then.
if anyone questions if it's real, you pop the back off, show them the genuine movement, and that pretty much ends the discussion.

If the buyer wonders about the damage on the dial, you can tell them "sorry, it must have suffered some water damage over the last 70 years, these old pieces aren't waterproof."

Money exchanges hands and the buyer walks away thinking he just got the steal of a lifetime.

>>14241829
so what you're saying is, one can plausibly doubt the authenticity of any watch that isn't bought from an authorized vendor?
sounds like a meme. are you poor irl? just asking

>>14241827
cope harder this is real luxury livin bud

these watches are so unique, beautiful and handmade you can literally SMELL the work put in by the expert watchmakers pranjeet and rajakajesh

>>14241841
>one can plausibly doubt the authenticity of any watch that isn't bought from an authorized vendor?
That's it exactly. Why do you think auction houses like Sotheby's provide reams of documentation for old watches?

>>14241841
>are you poor irl? just asking
I'm not, I don't mind you asking, but that is also why I don't have to look for cheap "deals" and can instead safely buy from an AD.

so next time someone posts a watch worth more than 300 bucks (average price of watch posted in these threads) best way to derail this shitty general is to make wild indian knock-off accusations?

>>14241841
>Of course it's a real Patek. Look at the dial, it says "Patek Philippe" right, there? What more do you want a trip to Belgium?

https://forums.watchuseek.com/f71/grail-l-dont-think-lll-ever-get-there-4929371.html

Look at these poorfag losers, his "grail" is 1.5k holy shit.

>>14241857
I think dunking on a guy who defends a frankenwatch this hard is totally reasonable. if you want a hugbox, reddit will give you everything you want for the gold and upvotes.

Timex should really up their game. I got one of their 36mm field watches but had to return it because the second hand wobbles too much. Surprisingly the ticking is not too bad.

>>14241866
>dunking
all I see is the guy posting evidence up to a point, no one has posted evidence its a fake yet. but evidently until we see the back you can't be 100% sure. and even then some guy said you can have a frankenstein back as well.
so the only way to know is documentation?

Do you know where I can find Rolex's previous years catalogs?

>>14241871
>so the only way to know is documentation?
Unfortunately, yes.

And Patek is generally very good about this. If you're worried, you can send your watch to them for authentication services. They'll give it a once-over, authenticate the components, and provide you with new/updated documentation verifying that it's 100% Patek. In the most extreme cases they will re-serialize it for you, though this can reduce it's collectibility. Then when you sell it, you may not have the original box but you will have paperwork straight from the source that proves it is what it is.

>>14241877
Rolex dealer They always keep a bunch.

>>14241888
Yeah but online?

>>14241889
Sorry, don't know.

>>14241885
The other way to do this is to send it in to PP for service. If it's fake they'll either return it to you or destroy it.
I've heard Cartier will simply give it back while Rolex will destroy fakes.

Then you'll know for sure.

I have decided my watch collection is too big and I've liquidated my collection, sold off all sorts of entry- and mid-level crap.

I'm currently telling time on my phone, like a child. It sucks

I want just two watches: a daily watch and a dress watch. I have $18k in total to spend.

Any suggestions?

>>14241910
Zenith el primero + rolex submariner green

>>14241917
>Zenith el primero
EW gross. Worse than an Airking.

>>14241917
>>14241910
What this guy said but instead of the Zenith I'd get the Jaeger LeCoultre Master Ultra Thin Moon, Rolex Hulk is god tier for daily

>>14241910
Daily: Rolex Explorer II (~9,000)
Dress: JLC Master Ultra Thin in steel (~7,000)

>>14241941
And with the other 2k you can buy the actual daily and dress (Seiko and Orient) so that you don't ruin these.

>>14241910
Grand Seiko SBGJ203 and SBGY003

>>14241941
I like these suggestions. GMTs are really useful since I have to travel for work all the time.
I should check out the Jaegers. I've never considered them, they're not too common in my area.
I think I could step up to a GMT Master II too.

>>14241953
Or I could do what you suggest and start the whole cycle of accumulating beaters over again. haha

>>14241953
+1

its nice to have at least 1 shitter (<=$200) in the collection for the occasions when youre not comfortable wearing a more expensive watch

>>14241976
I always have a basic G Shock or something for those occasions. I figure I don't need a Seiko or anything because if don't want to wear a nice watch, I don't care if I'm wearing a mechanical watch.

>>14241910
Vacheron Constantin Overseas Automatic and don't bother with a dress watch.

>>14241983
perfect then sounds like all you have left to do it choose your engame watches. good luck!

fwiw: I agree with an explorer 2 (i prefer the 16570, but the modern ones are really nice too) as the daily

So I've got this cartier I inherited from my aunt, not sure on the carat but I know its gold. On the back it has some scratches. Can Cartier repair these? Are they really deep?

Tried to zoom in

>>14241991
Thanks bros. This is exciting. Time to go shopping.

>>14241995
Any competent jeweler could fix that but as a general rule you shouldn't polish vintage watches as polished watches are considered as less desirable to collectors. If you don't plan to sell it yeah you can get it polished.

>>14241857
patek guy was an ass, he derailed the thread by literally feeding all the trolls and insulting everyone.

as annoying as the trolls can be at times, they werent at fault here

>>14241991
>i prefer the 16570
This. The orange hand one is nice, but the non-maxi dial ones look so much more elegant. That's the smart buy. And they can be had for really reasonable prices.

>>14242012
Well what would diminish the value more, getting them polished out or leaving them in?

Should I get Cartier to remove the scratches or should I just use a jeweler? Also how would you characterize these scratches? Deep or medium? Are they hairline scratches?

So many fucking plebs in this thread. This >>14241507 is a ref. 3468 Calatrava. It's a vintage you idiots.

>>14241910
>I want just two watches: a daily watch and a dress watch. I have $18k in total to spend.
A. Lange & Sohne Saxonia hand wind
or
Vacheron Constantin Patrimony Traditionelle Small Seconds

and

Tudor Black Bay 58
or
Rolex Explorer 114270

>>14242035
https://gearpatrol.com/2018/09/19/why-you-shouldnt-polish-watch-case/
Don't polish it if you plan to sell it.

>>14242035
getting them polished would reduce the value. Those scratches aren't even that bad if they're on the back.

Polishing involves removing metal, so getting those out would remove the crisp lines of the original case and make it a little more blob-like.

The collectibility is highest when it is the least removed from the way it was when it was bought. If the original hands are a little corroded or the dial is a little dirty, that's OK, because it's still original.

Once you start swapping parts in and out, even if you have Cartier do it, the value is reduced because it's goes from being, say, a 1980 Tank Louis to being some of a 1980 Tank Louis with some 2019 replacement parts.

>>14242039
>A. Lange & Sohne Saxonia hand wind
Nice choice

>Rolex Explorer 114270
Ew.

Is this guy a turbofraud or what?

https://youtu.be/muh6TJmgPbA

His 2018 video is basically a word-for-word readout of this 2015 article.

https://www.chronext.com/journal/stories/criminal-watches-–-the-timepieces-of-al-capone-escobar-others

This is >>14241507 >>14241559 definitely genuine but the dial is in poor condition but at least it wasn't redialed. You could've talked it down to at the least, 5k.

On the back there's a lip on the case back, use your finger nail to find it, and carefully pop it off and post a pic of the movement to shut these retards up.

>>14242063
i think its hilarious u kids talking shit about TGV. u wouldnt say this shit to him at lan, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. yall are pathetic lol


ciao

You can't have a fake this thin >>14241720 unless it's using a quartz shitter movement and if it is using a quartz, 1: he wouldn't be able to wind it, 2: the store that sold it to him would be liable for fraud.

TL:DR: It's a genuine vintage Patek in poor condition.

>>14242038
>It's a vintage you idiots.
Vintage is not just another word for old. I don't mean to reeee out on this, but it really galls me that the two terms are thrown around interchangeably.

An old watch, one that's been well-preserved, one whose history as been well-documented and is a historically significant model (i.e. a celebrity wore one like it, a la the Paul Newman Daytona) is a vintage watch. Otherwise it's just old.

It works at all levels even down to Casio. If you have a first-generation Casio G-Shock that's been perfectly preserved, still in the box, all that. That's vintage. If the same watch was beat to fuck and doesn't even properly work right anymore, it's crap.

Open the case back and shut these idiots up. >>14241720

There's a lip on the case back, it's easy to open it but be careful to not mess up the movement.

>>14242080
>>14242091
To be fair, that still would not prevent it from being a franken.

>>14242080
>It's a genuine vintage Patek in poor condition.

I've seen a bunch of old watches that always have such ridiculous dial damage. How does that even happen? I've been in a motorcycle accident that destroyed a watch, but the dial looked perfect.

>>14242063
TGV is classiest fucker out there

>>14242080
>>14242091
are all patek owners this dense? youve gone through like a thread and a half of trolling and youre still responding? how many more threads of trolling do you want?

nobody here likes you or your watch fuck off

>>14242099
Dude said he bought it from EWC.

>>14242104
Moisture and water ingress through the years of opening the crown and winding it. Also it depends on the material, remember, way way back then they used animal fat to actually oil the movement.

https://www.europeanwatch.com/22415.html

>google european watch company 3468
>this comes up
>same dial imperfections as the watch the guy posted
>turns out it was 100% genuine the whole time

so an entire thread derailed because people are too stupid to recognize a genuine patek? holy shit

>>14242123
no one cares anymore. We had briefly moved on, and then you apparently figured out what your shitter was.

no one cares about your shitty watch.

>>14242123
Wow, that's in horrific shape. How much were they asking for this?

>>14241995
Any nicer pictures of it?

>>14242123
Kek. There's even an excerpt from the archives which means it's 100% all Patek and not a franken and all these seething poor faggots kept shitting on it.

>>14242129
it just says [sold] no price is given
>>14242127
imagine being so pathetic you can't even admit you're wrong when you derail a whole thread

>>14241972
>I should check out the Jaegers. I've never considered them, they're not too common in my area.
I don't think they're too common anywhere. I've seen maybe a half-dozen in the wild my whole life, and they were all Reversos.

They're one of those "oh yeah. them..." brands that you know is good, but you never immediately think about them. It doesn't help that their advertising is practically nonexistent.

>>14242138
/wt/ utterly btfo

>>14242039
Absolutely patrician picks.

Same dial blemishes.

>>14242127
You guys just can't admit when you're wrong. Lmao. Muh Mumbai Patek.

>>14242153
i think you were better off when everyone thought it was fake. now we know you dropped 6 FUCKING GRAND on that SHITTER

well enjoy that patek dude lmao

>>14242156
>6 FUCKING GRAND
>caps
>implying 6k is a lot of money
damn guess that dude was right, everyone against him really were seething poorfags

>>14242138
They should shit on it. It's still in gruesome condition and I'll bet it was the one of cheapest ones they had for sale. Does it even work?
Brand chasing is pretty fucking sad, if you think about it and shows a disturbing susceptibility to (((marketing))).

>>14242152
Based on my personal taste, if I was buying for myself I'd go for a white or blue dialed Datejust 16200 baton/smooth bezel/oyster over a 114270, but I was aiming my picks for a more general audience.

>>14241506
>>14241509
>>14241510
>>14241519
>>14241521
>>14241527
>>14241555
>>14241558
>>14241561
>>14241580
>>14241584
>>14241601
>>14241603
>>14241610
>>14241619

See:
>>14242038
>>14242064
>>14242080
>>14242123
>>14242138

>>14242159
>>implying 6k is a lot of money
If you will spend 6k to buy a watch in THAT condition just to get the name on the dial, yeah, it's a lot of money for that kid. If 6k was nothing, he'd have spent a little extra and gotten any one of the much nicer watches they had.

He went to a 3 Michelin star restaurant and ordered an appetizer and a glass of water, now he's crowing about how well he eats.

Let me know when I'm supposed to be impressed.

All these idiotic comments about that Calatrava and no one even bothered to look up the movement or its reputation.

The Cal. 23-300 is a very nicely made and finished ultra-thin hand-wind movement. It has very nice finishing and is Geneva Seal certified. These 23-300s are apparently pretty well regarded among vintage Patek collectors as well.

The real question is how the movement was treated by previous servicers prior to this dude buying it though.

>>14242162
Would that be for the daily watch or the dress watch? Rolex sort of sells the DJ as both.

>>14242159
> claims 6k is insignificant to him
> wants everyone to be impressed by his 6k patek

so which one is anon? cant have it both ways

>>14242179
actually I take it all back. if youre willing to pay 6k for that you must be fucking loaded. congrats anon your horrible deal has impressed me.

>>14241481
>>14241488
>>14241461

https://www.europeanwatch.com/22415.html


>>14242175
It's all seething poorfags with their Seikos, Timexes, and Casios. Piece came with an excerpt from the archives from Patek and the listing says it was serviced in 2011.

>>14242177
Daily. I'd want it instead of the 114270 as I'm autistic enough to strongly prefer batons and rectangular hands over the indices and hands on the Explorer I. Also with an uncoated sapphire crystal, the light dial of a 16200 DJ with have way less crystal glare, another thing I'm autistic about.

"SHITTER" right?

>>14242191
look at that cheap indian piece of crap. wouldn't pay more than 200 bucks for it

I just one want one nice watch and it's down to a black Pelagos or the Heritage Black Bay chrono. It would be for every day wear. Thoughts and opinions?

>>14242191
Now that's more up my alley

>>14242191
Yup, it is a 100% authentic, factory verified piece of dogshit that you overpaid for.
People who know Patek won't be impressed because it's in dogshit condition.
People who don't know Patek will think you're silly for spending that much on a tiny watch.
You're a sad social climber and all your shit is shabby.
Now fuck off.

>>14242200
Try the Pelagos on before buying it. It's light because of the titanium, but it's really quite bulky and could be inconvenient for daily wear. Other than that, though, it's a good watch.

>>14242200
Pelagos for me. Chrono with screw down pushers are annoying as fuck.

>>14242207
damn, never seen this much resentment and jealousy in a single post

gotta get me one of these watches so I can trigger people in these threads

>>14242207
I'm not even him, you seething poorfag. You just can't admit when you're wrong, can you? All the mockery was it was fake now it's an ugly piece of shit. Keep moving the goalposts.

>>14242216
>This fucking sperging out thats going on here
laughingwhores.png

>>14241606
That's such an ugly looking face watch...

>>14242191
No, it's nice. It's a little rough-looking but it's probably 60 years old so w/e
Is it your granddad's watch or something?

>>14242184
>It's all seething poorfags with their Seikos, Timexes, and Casios.
You're wrong. You are being trolled by the same trolls who constantly shitpost in these threads about poorfags, about everything not a Rolex being a shitter, constantly trolling about Seiko, and who generally spend every day of their lives trying to ruin these threads.

People who are actually interested in Casios and Seikos are not likely to be the kind of brand whores who get jealous and mad when someone posts an interesting vintage watch.

If you want to read a nice article from an independent watchmaker who disassembled and serviced a Cal. 23-300, you can check this out: http://watchguy.co.uk/service-patek-phillipe-2588-calibre-23-300/

>>14242220
>poor poor poor
You paid 6k to pretend you'e rich.
What you're doing is called projecting.

All these buttblasted faggots sperging out over an anon spending 6k on a Patek that they totally know is 100% fake.

>>14242229
so instead we should buy a shitty casio like you?

>>14242227
Scroll up a bit, it's the same Patek that's being called an Indian fake, photos are from the very listing of it on EWC. Dial is a bit rough but the case looks great.

>>14242229
Again, I'm not him. How do you even know his reasons for purchasing it? We don't even know the extent of his collection. You're the one who's projecting buddy.

>when you drop the Mühle Glashütte your father wore while setting the time
>now it doesn't turn anymore

Its really my fault, but man, this really fucks me up.

>>14242234
If you like. Or spend your money on some psychiatric care to deal with the issues that cause you to apparently have such anxiety about your social class.

>this thread

>>14242240
forgot my reaction

>>14242191
> the professionally-taken (and possibly edited) picture of a watch makes it look better than it actually looks in person

wow youre, now I see it now. thats the greatest watch ever

oh wait nvm >>14241507

>>14242238
did you even read the full thing? this dude just started calling everyone poor because nobody liked his watch. once the trolls saw that, they came out of lurking and started shitting on him. its that simple

>>14242238
Another pic of the case, looks flawless from a quick glance. The dial is again, rough but at least it wasn't "fixed" with a botched refinish or a redial.

>>14242244
Buddy you keep sperging out about social class, it's just a watch you thought was fake and now you're proven wrong.

>>14242249
damn dude that sucks....

try to get it fixed for sure

>>14242238
>Dial is a bit rough but the case looks great.
The dial is not "a bit rough", it's damaged.
The case is also in rough shape.
If it were so clean, how was it sold for 6k when EWS doesn't sell ANY other PP for less than 10k (apart from a women's quartz one)?

What's really wrong with it, would be my question?

>>14242249
bummer. All things can be repaired though.

>>14242213
Theres an AD in town and that them both and I did make sure to try them on. While I like the Pelagos a lot, I far prefer the looks and heft of the chrono, but I have no real use for a chronograph honestly. That being said, it didnt come off to me as particularly bulky, but I'll admit I'm not sure what bulky means when it pertains to watches.
>>14242213
Also true. Seems inconvenient and far too much of a hassle.

Thanks for the responses, anons

>>14242240
>>14242249
>>14242255

I dont even know what broke, i can still set time, date, the weight seems to move normally inside,i have the feeling that when you push in the crown it doesnt "lock in", as the clock face seems to slide inside the case like a milimeter whenever you pull out the crown

>>14242240
>being so rich that you have a separate glashutte to wear specifically while setting the time

>>14242256
Older Calatravas can be had for cheap. Here's chrono24 right now. Rough, damaged, whatever, the dial isn't in a good condition. The case isn't rough shape at all, care to point out where?

>>14242278
CHF = USD is roughly the same these days btw.

>>14242263
yea, but its just so unnecessary. I Should have known better than to set it while standing and taking it off my arm to do so...

>>14242265
>but I have no real use for a chronograph honestly
You'd be surprised. There's probably plenty of things you'd want to time, even silly shit like how long you've been steeping a tea bag or how long you've been out for a walk.
Once you start in the habit of using it, you find yourself using it all the time.

>It took me four minutes from drop-trou to flush to take that shit!

>>14242281
What's the actual problem with it? Also, it's actually good to take it off to set the time, you put pressure on the stem when you set it on your wrist.

>>14242269
sounds like one or more of the tiny tabs that anchor the movement to the inside of the case have broken or come loose.
That's pretty consistent damage that comes with a drop.

That's an easy fix too. Any watchmaker can fix that. Ten minutes.

>>14241493
Oris, they're independent and actually do something interesting things from a horological standpoint

All these faggots are now suddenly quiet when the proof the Patek is genuine gets posted.

cease the means of production

>>14242284
well, like i said, i shouldnt have done that while standing up. The drop killed it.

It just doesn't run anymore. I can set time, date as usual, but when i push in the crown it doesnt startrunning, no matter how long i wear it (Its an automatic). Like i said, the actual mechanism seems to slide a bit inside the glass casing, so it could be that the crown doesnt go in far enough to "activate" it.
>>14242295
i plan on going to one, but i dont see any obvious way to open the watch up? it looks to be riveted on the back. Sorry if thats a stupid question, i'm really not well versed in watches...

>>14242311
Post a pic?

Mmmm, Lorus chronograph. Now that's a nice shitter

>>14242200
>the Heritage Black Bay chrono.
I'm not a fan of it. The design is all over the place.
If you want a Tudor chrono, the Fastrider looks much better imo.

>>14242311
Dude. Take a deep breath and take it to a watchmaker. It's going to be ok.

>>14242312
dont have it on me rn, but thats what it looks like.

>>14242200
Assuming the size of the Pelagos suits you, the Pelagos by a mile. It's one of the very best mechanical dive watches money can buy from a functional design perspective.

>>14242311
>so it could be that the crown doesnt go in far enough to "activate" it.
That, or the movement is askew in the case and the escapement is squashed against the inside and can't move freely.

The entire back screws off if it's like most Muhle's. The watchmaker will have a tool that allows him to easily remove it.

>>14242322
Watchmakers have a tool that goes into those round holes to turn and open it. So it doesn't run anymore at all? Not even starting and stopping?

>>14242324
ah, that makes sense, thats what i will do anyway

>>14242328
no, no movement at all. But the hands can still be moved by setting the time

>>14242323
>It's one of the very best mechanical dive watches money can buy from a functional design perspective.
This. For like 4k, you get a solid Ti, in-house movement, 500m WR serious dive tool.

The clasp is great too, it has a little spring in it that expands and contracts with your wrist, and the lume on the dial is tremendous.

>>14242337
>no, no movement at all. But the hands can still be moved by setting the time
Also, maybe the winding stem may have gotten bent or, in the very worst case, the keyless works may have been damaged.

That would explain why you can still set the time, but you can't get push the crown in far enough to get the watch to resume normal running.

/wt/ poorfags BTFO.
>>14242038
>>14242064
>>14242123
>>14242138
>>14242153

I wanna get a watch, I like SSA346J1 and SRP853
I have tiny wrist, are these good watches?

Any anons here wear old vintage watches? Also, does the old radium or tritium luminescent paint bother you? Because the paint eventually breaks down and was wondering, if it's possible to have the paint removed?

>>14242316
>the Fastrider looks much better imo.
The styling is a little aggressive, but they are young and sporty-looking. With a t-shirt and jeans, it works.

>>14242316
That one looks nice, but I I prefer 2-registers
>>14242282
True enough, I do the same with my Casio Ae1200 now

>>14242337
Is it this? Looks like it uses an ETA 2824, which is quite common. Any watchmaker can handle it, you don't have to go directly to Mühle.

>>14242353
Lume can be removed and be reapplied. Kills the value though but if you're planning on keeping it, it doesn't matter and it can be done.

>>14242353
>Any anons here wear old vintage watches?
No, that trend died years ago.

>does the old radium or tritium luminescent paint bother you?
tritium is perfectly safe, even if it's considered radioactive in Europe. Radium dials, on the other hand are quite radioactive and may be dangerous since they emit radon, which is pretty toxic and can escape the case.

I don't know how one would go about getting the radium off the dial safely. I would make sure not to sleep with it resting near where I breathe and you should be ok.

>>14242368
>Autistiche Instrumente

>>14242347
any idea what it could cost me to have this fixed?

>>14242368
yea, its an M12 Sport, good that its quite common

>>14242356
does this use the same movement as the black bay chrono? the one thats shared with brietling

>>14242364
Ultimate 2 register chronograph it its price range.

>>14242381
>any idea what it could cost me to have this fixed?
without opening it up, it's hard to say, but if it's any of the common things it could be, I'd be shocked if it cost more than a hundred bucks.

Someone please buy me this watch?

>>14242383
I think that version uses the Valjoux 7753

>>14242395
ETA 2824, it won't be expensive.

>>14242395
that should be within my budget. I'm gonna go get it fixed soon

>>14242398
You don't want a Stowa, trust me. Laughable resale value. Among the crappiest German brands. Laco-tier.

>>14242403
This. Replacement the movement entirely wouldn't be more than 200 bucks including labor.

>>14241894
>destroying fakes
lmao nobody does this

>>14242339
>>14242323
>>14242316
>>14242282
>>14242214
>>14242213
Thanks everyone, I've decided to go with the Black Pelagos. I appreciate all the feedback.

What clothes are you supposed to wear fashion quartz chronos with? Serious question, I don't get what they're aiming for. How did they envision people to dress while wearing something like that?

https://forums.watchuseek.com/f73/nice-clothing-go-your-nice-watch-not-4914121-post48448167.html#post48448167

Discuss.

>>14242414
>seiko
>fashion watch

>>14241866
Except it's not a frankenwatch, a frankenwatch wouldn't get an excerpt from the archives from Patek like the "fake" you guys kept screaming about.

one day I'll buy some nice breitling and post it here, just wait

>>14242424
Here's a (you) for your digits.

>>14242424
very nice digits indeed

>>14242417
Abominable.

Also, WUS? That's like if Reddit was 100% about watches.

>>14242435
>Watchuseek? That's like if *forum* was 100% about watches.

How retarded are you?

>mfw we still are in the thread splitting story arc but get some saucy mumbai pootek filler episodes

Love the comical relief so far. Now there are two camps, team caseback and team poopoo.

>>14242412
Rolex does not fuck around. If you give them a watch that is fake or has been reported as stolen, they will confiscate it and not return it. They're the most faked brand in the world and are fighting a losing battle at protecting their IP.

Then again, it probably depends on the laws of the country whether the buyer is liable for buying counterfeit goods. In America they'd probably give you the watch back for fear of the customer coming back and shooting up the place lol.

>>14242451
Except it's not a fake Patek only retards thought it was.

>>14242380
XDDD

>>14242452
Can confirm in the US they give you your watch back. I made that mistake a couple years ago. Thought I was getting a good deal on a a 1016 Explorer, turned out to be franken'ed to fuck. They gave me a sternly worded note. I bought that note back to the guy I bought it from and got my money back.

Now if I tried this in Hong Kong I'd probably have been arrested.

AD or nothing for me ever since then. Paying a little bit more doesn't hurt.

>>14242452
I wonder why rawleks doesn't use modern technology for identifikation. Like a small RFID chip in the bracelet encoded so that it wont get hacked.
Of course their other stuff would remain but the chip would be an addition. They can be made as small as this pic or smaller and implemented into the upper links of the bracelet or into the case.

>>14242451
Update
>Now there are two camps, team I-paid-for-this-thing and team yikes-did-you-overpay.

>>14242474
>wont get hacked.
Yeah, the Chinese are terrible at hacking.

>>14242474
thought it was a comically censored penis

>>14242474
It wouldn't surprise me if they're working on something like that. The little things like the secret crown in the crystal, the engraved rehaut, even using 904L steel, have all been replicated.

>>14242474
And where would they place them? It's easy to spot a fakes if you're a watchmaker for Rolex. That doesn't give convenience to owners as they still have to have the RFID read.

>>14242479
nice, all these patek experts are apparently also IT security experts too

>>14242489
Also, the basing it all on a cloneable RFID chip would be ludicrous. As soon an RFID authenticated Rolex comes out at Baselworld the Chinese would have clones of the chips a week after release.

>>14242489
>It's easy to spot a fakes if you're a watchmaker for Rolex.
This. An average person can be pretty easily fooled, but with a little knowledge and a look at the movement the illusion dissipates quickly.

>>14242496
google something about PUFs, NXP and I guess also some other manufacturers produce uncloneable chips
but I don't know if there are some proposed or real attacks, didn't get much into whole that topic

>>14242528
Again, where would they place it? Best defense against fakes is your eyes and knowledge. You want them to embed a chip inside the dial, each of the three hands, the date wheel, the bridges, each of the wheels in the train, the weight, and etc... All for what? Convenience? What convenience?

>>14242538
I dont know, I am not that one who came with chip idea here, I am just saying that uncloneable chips are real thing

>>14242484
Yeah, the chinkies are quick at overcoming that whole security stuff. It will be interesting to see what security measures will come next.
>>14242489
>And where would they place them?
Well, they shall figure it out but i would put one in the bracelet and case and with proper encoding that thing could be hard to hack.
>>14242538
Rolex could release an app for the owners and they could read the chips with RFID readers on the phone. The old security measures together with the chips could provide quite the amount of security.

>>14242528
It's not a matter of the thing being cloneable or not, it's just redundant.

>buy fake Rolex (unknowingly)
>take it to Rolex dealer for service
>Rolex tech opens it up, sees it's fake.
or
>buy fake Rolex (unknowingly)
>take it to Rolex dealer for service
>Rolex tech scans RFID, sees it's fake.

The end result is the same and no Rolex fake has yet been made that can fool an Rolex Service Center. What Rolex has done instead is put very tight controls on spare parts to the point where a lot of independent watchmakers have been choked out. Rolex has made it so that you basically have to get your watch serviced at RSC.

>>14242555
To add to this: Rolex doesn't care about people selling their Rolexes to each other. They already have a system of their own to protect their own customers: their authorized dealer network.

So a chip for people to verify each others' Rolexes doesn't help or hurt Rolex one way or the other.

>>14242555
or
>buying used rolex
>take out a reader
>that paki you are buying it from starts to sweat
YYYEEEAAAAAA

but I can see that
>reader says it is genuine
>take it to rolex
>sir there is casio quartz inside

>>14242566
>that paki you are buying it from starts to sweat
not to be obtuse, but when have you ever seen a Pakistani who wasn't sweating constantly?

What size watch do you have lads?

Went for 38mm

>tfw wristlet

Was this smart? I don't mind larger dials but I didn't want it to look mismatched.

>>14242581
38mm is a completely reasonable diameter.

>>14241477
New thread:

>>14242597
>>14242597
>>14242597

>>14242597
>>14242597
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>>14242587
I see. I googled around and what I could find said that 38mm was typically the smallest male watch watch (although that could be normie standards).

Just starting off in my interest in real watches.

>>14242581
>What size watch do you have lads?
Everything from a 36mm dress watch to a 44mm dive watch.

38mm is totally normal and the huge watch thing of the 90s and 2000s is blessedly over.

>>14242581
Nope, nobody here thinks that a small watch is only for wristlets. Smaller watche look always better, imo.
I can wear my 43mm chrono but even my 35mm dial casio does not look silly small on my wrist. Generally wear whatever you like and discover stuff yourself. Just don't overpay for certain watches. But that you will learn over time.

>>14241610
a lesbian larping as Crocodile Dundee?

>>14242645
My dad had an old Alfa with seats made out of that same material, lol

>>14241477
>field watches edition
Based and redpilled.

Looking at buying a G10 myself.

in the end it was the best /wt/ in a long time :D

>>14241477
does that Timex tick like hell, too? so far in my experiences, only their chronos don't annoy the fuck out of me while wearing

Field watches? Sure right up until you drop it. What a joke.

Ur walking the mountains and a gold braceleted Hawaiian equipped Mr jiro wearing pic related slaps ur sister's plump forbidden ass what do

Found a good review of pic related
https://youtu.be/qwXZ_v5hyG8

>>14242819
The no date version looks so much better.
What happened after you dropped it?

>>14242819
glad that hamilton shill didn't fool me

Cop a 5500 or not?

My aquatimer

>>14242836
Is that a joke or did you accidentally link the wrong video? What model is that watch? The marathon gpq is very similar but they don't have rotating bezels.

>>14242954
Definitely cop if you can afford it.