/fa/ - Fashion

>>14230047
Yeah I have thought about that though personally, every website except that forum stating that the 7a28 was phased out in 92 and my 82/92 new old stock watch having a 1993 warranty slip is more than enough proof for me that the 89 date is bullshit.

Talk me out of buying this /wt/. I love the size and thickness (38.5mm, 10mm), the dial is classic. It's just that I don't need a dress watch. I'm a teacher and I don't really attend formal events etc.

>>14230066
+That is versatile enough to pull off most of the time I'd say.
- I don't like those lugs
+- It looks like a Orient Bambino

>>14230060
Got a link to the thread? I want to read stubborn boomers.

>>14230066
Why don't you just buy an actual vintage dress watch instead?

>>14230066
Okay, now I know for sure the Longines shilling is trolling. There is no way several different people all suddenly started expressing interest in various Longines shitters simultaneously several threads in a row.

>>14230076
https://youtu.be/5TWj-n3SwX0
And spend $1500 on repairs? No thanks.

>>14230075
My "trolling" was deleted but this is the thread.
https://www.seiko7a38.com/apps/forums/topics/show/8303730-seiko-7a28-7a38-7a48-7axx-simple-do-it-yourself-production-date-calculator?page=2

>>14230077
I’m the 36mm Legend Diver Amon. I actually believe Longines is the sweet spot within its price range, but I actually dislike the models that are being posted lately apart of mine... especially the hydroconquest which is hideous

>>14230055
Stop pushing your shitty poorfag guide fuckface.

Longines and Citizen are two brands that stick out to me as having particularly uninspired and sterile design.

>>14230157
How about you fuck off and kill yourself tudorcuck

>>14230166
Vintage citizens are great. Not sure about modern ones

>>14230166
>Longines Legend Diver
>uninspired and sterile

>>14230240
Super Compressor ripoff. Everyone made them, even the commies.

New Eulit perlon strap, works pretty well with this watch to make it a bit more casual.

>>14230260
>super compressor ripoff

You realize super compressor is a diver watch technology which started to be popular in the 60s, not a particular watch? The design was invented by the case manufacturer Piquerez back in the day, who made the cases for some Swiss brands, one of them being Longines. The Soviets came later with their super compressor, which is a rip-off of the Piquerez case. It’s also incredibly rare to find one of the watches you found. Meranom made a reissue not a long time ago.

Inform yourself because making stupid statements, smartass.

>>14230283
One of the watches you posted*

>>14230077
It wasn't me.
>>14230125
Have you actually received this yet?

NEW

>>14229009
>>14229009
>>14229009

Should I buy this? IMO the design is timeless and original. Does it have in-house mvmt?

>>14230276
Why can't seiko release something like this for their sub $500 line. I live in a third world shithole finding parts and repairs is almost impossible.

>>14230323
By the end of this month, start of May I should get it

>>14230328
>Should I buy this?
No.
>the design is timeless and original
It’s neither, it’s a low rent knockoff of the Nautilus.
>Does it have an in-house mvmt?
Probably not but even if it does it’s almost certainly trash anyway. Don’t buy a watch from that brand.

Shit thread shit OP

>>14230390

Vostok Amphibia
Great value or just a shitter?

>>14230324
for my taste too big for you wrist

>>14230077
THIS!
I noticed the same. Some faggot was shilling the longines hydroconquest. He posted a pic of it but it could also be a fake one, reformatted to not be found on google.
Then the one shitter with this blue abomination >>14230323 that looks like a bad fake of a bad fashion brand.
And now its this piece of shit being pushed>>14230066
Not the first time the flagship model being in the threads, i already saw it in one a few weeks ago.

Modern Longines is overpriced swatch group crap with ETA movements. This crap is heavily marketed in asia because braindead bugs think its luxury.

>>14230583
>mfw some frankenstein abomination has better proportions and a cleaner, date-less dial than most modern watches.

The second hand is disgusting tho.

>>14230066
DRESS WATCHES ARE DEAD. Stop fucking buying them cocksuckers. That's precisely why Longines is dead. They're too classic and smart.

The dressiest watch in your collection should be an Explorer I, an Aqua Terra or a Carrera non Chronograph.

>>14230646
FWIW Longines was kicked out of the Swiss fine watchmaking rankings.

>>14230695
Thats pretty based.
I bet they were way better in old times then started using generic ETA crap. I'm just speculating here because i can't get fucked to even start researching anything about longines.
I guess that their death was the quartz rape wave. Maybe business was not all that great before but afterwards it definetely went south.

Tisell anon from another thread. I sent a mail to the european distributor, they replied that they will have the watches in stock within this week.

At a €87 markup, plus €20something postage.

Im seriously considering buying directly from worst korea, even if it gets taxed upon arrival.

>>14230715
It was quartz, the death of the dress watch, and stupid positioning. Longines has entry level pieces and near high end price pieces.

>>14230725
Browsing through their models, some of their really simplistic looking pieces go for €1475, where a casio with almost mirroring looks goes for €75.

MUH 60% SWISS MADE, MUH HERITAGE

>>14230730
https://www.bobswatches.com/rolex-blog/breaking-news/tudor-and-longines-dont-qualify-fine.html

Thank god I never bought into the Tudor hipster hype train.

Fucking ugly, gaudy pieces of shit.

>>14230646
>B-but I-its not l-luxury anon it's got an eta movement.
Which perform as well as any high end movement in the top two grades!
>>14230689
>stop buying watches I don't like
You really are pathetic aren't you?
>>14230715
>I bet, I'm just speculating, maybe..
Wow, insightful, great contribution
>>14230695
Mostly because they represent a threat by taking money away from the higher brands

>>14230737
Ackshually, Tudor went running to mommy in tears when they got kicked out of the fine club. Rowlecks went and had a word and they got their club membership.

Pathetic

>>14230741
>Mostly because they represent a threat by taking money away from the higher brands

Unlike TAG and Omega, who are both in the list, amirite?

>stop buying watches I don't like

Dress watches are out, buddy. The market is dead. Buy one if you like, but it's dead weight.

>Which perform as well as any high end movement in the top two grades!

ETA movements are fine as long as they are higher grade. Longines use entry level shit with some decoration. I don't think they have a single fucking chronometer watch in their range?

Look, buy a fucking Longines if you like. I really don't give a shit. In fact Longines would be one of the cooler brands with much history, IF THEY DIDNT ONLY MAKE UGLY PIECES OF LOW QUALITY SHIT.

Never ever buy watches from brands that don't carry at least one icon, fuckers.

>Omega
Speedy, Seamaster
>Rolex
All steel sports models
>TAG
Carrera, Monaco
>IWC
Mark series
>AP
Royal Oak
>VC
Overseas Chronograph
>Breitling
Navitimer
>JLC
Master Control, Reverso

If you buy outside those brands you've burnt money. Nobody wants Oris, Tudor, B&M, Nomos, Hublot, Sinn... Nobody wants the fuckers.

>>14230751
>Unlike TAG and Omega, who are both in the list, amirite?
Compromise to swatch
>Longines use entry level shit with some decoration. I don't think they have a single fucking chronometer watch in their range?
Really? Don't know much then do you.
> Look, buy a fucking Longines if you like. I really don't give a shit
But you seem to care very much....

>>14230768
>Compromise to swatch
TAG ain't Swatch. Look fucker, Longines got the boot while TAG, a company who still use plastic movement spacers, are in. What does that tell you? Longines is made in India.

Wouldn't it make more sense to learn how to service a very common and simple movement like a unitas handwinding one, buy tons of them with oil rather than buy some GS with a movement they won't sell extras of and may only theoretically last a while?
>inb4 basedko prepper boy makes some shit up again

>>14230725
>It was quartz
Ok, thx for confirming.
>>14230730
Agreed. The casio comparison might not be ideal but the main point is right, its overpriced for the most part due to marketing and bullshit heritage tax. Like most of the swiss watches that are in some group. These (((people))) are all working together, they decide on all the prices of the watches from switzerland just to stay in business.

Longines
Lets see, what do we get in their basic hydro conquest model
>2824 ETA
>300m /30bar water resistence
>from 870€ to 950€ and sometimes more

Wow, big fucking deal. My dugena quartz shitter is also rated at 30 bar /300m water resistance and cost me about 90€.

>>14230766
Lol I love how AP is in the holy Trinity but literally only has one watch. You forgot patek as well.

>>14230766
>>AP
>Royal Oak
Do they make anything else?

>>14230801
Patek is Patek.

You can shit on AP for that, but they do make some damn fine quality watches.

>>14230770
It tells me the entry requirements are not based on accurate timekeeping nor design. Almost like they based it on prestige...
>>14230775
>Longines
Lets see, what do we get in their basic hydro conquest model
>2824 ETA
>300m /30bar water resistence
>from 870€ to 950€ and sometimes more

>Wow, big fucking deal. My dugena quartz shitter is also rated at 30 bar /300m water resistance and cost me about 90€.
How is this relevant to anything?

>>14230646
I seriously bought it though

>>14230077
>>14230323
This guy has posted his watch numerous times for a long time.
>>14230646
>>14230689
>>14230695
>>14230730
>>14230751
>>14230766
>>14230770

You niggers should go outside sometime.

Longines doesn't give a shit about you, they adapted to the times and they're doing great as a company. And because they don't forget what they once were they make some nice watches every now and then, too. Longines is as based as they come. Did you honestly think they needed this Laotian silk weaving forum to push their product? Wew, lad.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XLrLz0-lFww

Post your watches.

>>14230775
>not ideal

Bruh...

Longines L4.759.4.72.2
Casio MTP 1141A-7A

Both stainless, quartz, sunburst dials, baton hands, date. Only the Casio has a metal bracelet and mineral glass. Longines comes at €690 while the Casio at 27€.

>>14230812
The old hydroconquests have 2824, ones since 2017 i believe have 2892

Imagine defending mallwatch shitters this vigorously.

>>14230766
gunna have to disagree on sinn there buddy. the 144 & 556 a are iconic in pilot niches

Poor Longines, its hard being in the midrange.

People with dirt cheap watches mad that they are above budget
People with high end watches mad that they perform as well as theirs for less. Double the haters

More like OP of the other thread being butthurt his shit didn't take off and derailing the thread, amirite

Longines brand bad! Here's some numbers:

Omega: 2,2 billion
Cartier: 1,5 billion (watches only, not jewellery)
Longines: 1,4 billion
AP: 1,05 billion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNm507Guz8I

>>14230361
>That fucking clothing tag
My autism is acting up.

>>14230915
I forgot, billions in CHF.

>>14230766
>recommending TAG while neglecting Cartier
Really makes me think.

IMAGINE
LOL
DUDE LMFAO
IMAGINE IF
YOU WERE CALLED FYODOR AND YOUR FRIEND WAS FEDOR
AND
YOU BOUGHT
AYYLMAO
YOU BOUGHT A TUDOR TODOR
THEN FEDOR ASKS YOU
FYODOR WHAT IS THIS IS IT A TUDOR
IT'S A TODOR FEDOR
A TUDOR TODOR FYODOR?
A TODOR TUDOR FEDOR!!!

>>14230583
Get a standard one, they're fine for the money.

>>14230812
>How is this relevant to anything?

It shows that longines has overpriced crap with features that are not worth the price. You triggered shill fag.

>>14230847
Jesus christ, just googled that longines model. YOu are so right. That thing is an abomination. And that price is just robbery. Fuck the (((Swiss))).

>>14231114
Its eta 2892 though its the best movement in a new watch for under 1k

>>14231137
Wrong. That ETA crap is just being put into all kinds of overpriced crap so you assume that it's actually really worth much.
>imagine actually shilling for the swiss watch industry
LMAO

>>14231152
Name a single better movement in a new watch under a grand

>>14231163
He can't.

>>14231163
>>14231174
>Shit man he is crashing our whole shilling operation, we need to do something aaaaaa

>>14231182
ETA movement are fine, I not even biased I got Japanese, Russian, Chinese and Swiss watches.

The ETA have been the best but also the priciest.

Muh shilling. Why the fuck do you faggots think they'd spend money to shill to some overweight weebs on 4channel?

>>14231182
How did i know you would out right refuse to answer the question

>>14231163
The base movement means nothing. The grade and finishing matter. A chronometer-rated 2824 is a better movement than a bog standard 2893.
Open the back of the case up and get some pictures of the finishing. If the movement were so impressive, there'd be a display caseback back there.
Put it on a timegrapher and see how it's performing.

if this was /o/ you'd be calling your 1988 Mustang 5.0 faster than an M3.
>It's got a V8

>>14231247
Stop replying to him and he'll stop shilling, numbskull.

>>14230723
Ur retarded if u buy from euro distributor
Just fucking order it right now it'll be with you in a week bro

>>14231247
The E30 & E36 M3 isn't really fast.
Just to clarify it.

>>14231200
>phoneposting

>>14231247
Still cant name a better movement. None of them are chronometer rated undrr 1k

should I buy a blue orient ray 3?

>>14231277
A Valjoux 7753 movement is 350 bucks out of the box.
A Chronometer-rated Unitas 6497 is 490.

>>14231163
Hamilton Khaki Navy Automatic GMT.
It looks like shit, but it costs 800 bucks and it has a 2893 not a 2982.
300m WR, sapphire crystal.

Does your watch have a GMT function?

Anons, what are good watches for a SEXcore fit? Under 3k used.
Currently own pic related

>>14231277
Here you go.
This is literally your watch except you paid too much.

300m water resistance? Yup
Sapphire crystal? Yup
ETA 2892 modified to have an 80 hour power reserve? Yup
Made in Switzerland? Enough to say so on the dial.

695 US dollars!

>inb4 it looks ugly
You said yourself you don't care about looks, just specs.

You stupid fuck. Enjoy your poor man's Seamaster.

>>14231341

Rose gold ROO replica from aliexpress?

>>14231370
Reps are cheating my anon. Some Tag suggestions maybe?

>>14231381
Speedmaster

>>14231368
That's pretty cool looking. Probably glows like a torch with those giant lume plots.

>>14231308
bump

>>14230801
This. How the fuck is AP the third one in the holy trinity and not JLC?

>>14231497
AP is exclusively high end.
Also, PP, VC, AP is tradition. ALS and Breguet should be in there too, but arent. Also, JLC services the next tier of the market down. 5 grand will get you a JLC, 5 grand won't get your phone calls returned at AP.

“One watch”

>>14231517

>>14231517
w2c

I wish microbrands hired some real fucking product designers, tired of these shitty proportions.

Brought to you by histories most cucked white man nation

Kinda like the look of this new Bulova

>>14231609
That is really meet design, how much.?

>>14231621
>Three versions of the Computron LED will be making their way to stores in either an all-gold plated case with a matching bracelet and a red LED display ($395), Black IP with a rubber strap and a blue LED display ($295), and a stainless steel version with a blue LED display ($295).
Reminds me of Blade Runner

>>14231577
Absolutely amazing.

>>14231625
Eh, it looked cool, but I wish it was a little thicker.

>>14230914
That's a nice lume anon.

>>14231641
Looks pretty thick to me

Convince me that the Bond strap isn't the most effay nato for Casio Duro.

With this I mean >>14231517 AP isn't just a Royal Oak brand.

>>14231562
AP Quantième Perpétuel.

>>14231709
>With this I mean >>14231517 AP isn't just a Royal Oak brand.
Looks worse than the ROO though

>>14231368
Wait, seriously? What's the catch, because this looks better than a prospex

I don't know much about Datejust references, how do the current ones compare with older ones? It's been growing on me lately, the new 36mm one would be pretty much exactly what I want if it came in another dial color like white or blue maybe.

>>14231744
I really like it. I hope it will reverse the trend of stupidly oversized watches

>>14231744
The very latest 36mm Datejust that came out at Basel has the new 3235 calibre and 70 hour power reserve. That along with the jubilee bracelet makes it a damn good choice.

>>14231784
>jubilee bracelet
S O Y

>>14231734

If it has 80 hours of PR, then it has the plastic escapement and downgraded beat rate ( 4Hz->3Hz ) of the powermatics.

>>14231734
No catch. That's it. The only thing that separates that 900 dollar Longines Hydroconquest from this 700 dollar Hammy is the stupidity to pay an extra 200 for a brand that hasn't been relevant in decades.

Whether you think this is better than a Seiko diver is up to you. Which one were you thinking?

>>14231744

Why did they change the endlinks? The DD and the DJ looks so much uglier in 36mm now.

Test

>>14231744
>how do the current ones compare with older ones?

The newer ones obviously have the newer, better movement and the newer, better bracelet, but honestly, you can get a five-digit DJ for so cheap (less than 2000) and those were still great, great watches.
Plus, the newer ones have the wide-shoulder maxi case which some people don't think is as elegant as the older case style.

Either way you can't go wrong.

>>14231784
Maybe if I wait a while they'll put out more colors like with the OP.

>>14231790
I don't hate it. It looks better than the oyster bracelets with polished links.

>>14231807
The brand new DJ doesn't look so maxi, it's pretty nice. I already have an older Explorer so I have no problems buying used, but it would also be kind of nice to get something brand new with all the little incremental upgrades.

What's the best replica watch to get? I'm thinking about this criteria:

- not expensive enough for it to be an obvious fake for a middle class guy, so if it's a replica of a $30k watch, it's no good, if it's of a $5k watch, it's good
- something that's not considered an often faked watch (like a Rolex Submariner) so people won't constantly ask if it's fake
- something that's actually a good looking watch to wear daily and attract some attention from normies, so no fancy dress watches

What do you think?

>>14231828
If you're an actual "middle class guy" then why don't you just buy a $5k watch if that's what you want.

>>14231823
> Maybe if I wait a while they'll put out more colors like with the OP.
If you mean in Rose Gold then there is only the two-tone and women models afaik.

If you mean the dial there's already a few options but its certain they will bring new ones out in a year or two.

>>14231828

If you can't comfortably buy a 5 grand piece then you're not middle class, boyo.

>>14231828
>- something that's not considered an often faked watch (like a Rolex Submariner) so people won't constantly ask if it's fake

However, a watch that is constantly being faked also has the best fakes due to constant interation and improvement, so a fake Sub is going to be very, very close.

If you want something a little off the beaten path, the IWC Mark XVIII Pilot's watches are also very good reps. IWC is a good brand and, if it's not a Rolex, people never suspect it's fake.

>>14231807
>you can get a five-digit DJ for so cheap (less than 2000)
Link?

>>14231828
I would get an entry level Rolex

>>14231807
>Vintage datejust for less than 2000
bullshit show me

Test

>>14231837
It in all first world countries it is.

>>14231838
>the IWC Mark XVIII Pilot's watches
This is a very good idea because they have a rather generic pilot design in the first place, so they don't stand out like some flashy shit would.

>>14231833
Why would anyone buy a watch that's over $1k unless it was literally made of the equivalent value in gold or silver? That's just bad business.

>>14231846
Go to the buy-sell-trade area of any watch forum and start hardballing everyone selling a DJ. One of them is bound to be desperate to sell and will cave.

Obviously you're not going to find that on eBay or chrono24. You need to do the work and start negotiating.

>>14231867
Here's the DJ for you then.

>>14231882
It even says the name of the watch on the dial. How can you fuck up that badly?

>>14231882
>Rolex by Hublot

>>14231797
I wasn't looking for a specific one, it was more like a vague plan for if my current beater shits the bed later on. If it somehow died now, it might have been one like pic related, a marinemaster, or a shogun depending on whether I can find a deal on it.

>>14231867
Then don't buy one, and also don't buy a make-believe one from some lying cheating chinaman to try to impress normies because they do not give a shit and it's embarrassing.

>>14231920
Do you think anything in life that you use to impress normies has to be genuine? Because if you do you're really fucking stupid.

>Chad uses steroids that means Stacy fucking him is embarrassing
>Chad got a hair transplant it's not his natural hair so embarrassing omg
>Chad has veneers those are not his real teeth what a cuck incel loser

Simply put if you don't take shortcuts in life you're a retard, and giving Mr Shekelberg more money for the exact same effect because of your internal honor or whatever cope you use to justify forever staying at the bottom, is retarded.

>>14231837
The weird thing about being middle class is that it's about how much you make and not how much you've saved.

>>14231938
Honestly how can people stand living if they have to "make" money? How doesn't it kill you mentally, to know that one day you could just die because you're not useful to your masters anymore?

>>14231837
Or you could spend like 500$ for a good replica and spend the remaining 4500$ on other shit

>>14231936
If you think wearing a fake watch will change your life and you think in terms of that Chad and Stacy bullshit then you're probably the one coping. I don't buy anything to impress anyone, they don't care. Go to RWG forum or whatever if you're looking for a fake watch, they're more knowledgeable.

>>14231950
Not everyone just has a huge chunk of cash to throw around. Most people (and animals in general) who have ever lived have had to provide for themselves or each other. The difference is that instead of trying to not starve or get hunted, most people are now about trying to make sure you look more important than anyone else who might have gotten the axe.

If you're personally asking me, then I have a job that is actually kind of fun sometimes and doesn't overwork me.

>>14231368
Hamilton caliber h-10 is eta 2824 you fucktard all you had to do is google it

>>14231964
Looks like you're a loser then, you're so far below the social ladder that you're not even in the game.

Let's hear the "I'm the big bad sigma boy that breaks all the rules" schpiel now omega.

>>14231973
How do you cope with forever being at the mercy of your master though, does it really help if there's a few layers of bullshit between "suck my cock or starve to death" and what you're hearing? "I like sucky sucky" is a bit disappointing to hear.

>>14231734
The catch is it isnt a 2892, its a 2824 just like the 500 dollar tissot powermatic

>>14231984
I've tried to have my own business twice, actually. While I've actually made net profit, I was working harder and making less money than what you get from being a normal wagecuck. I don't mind being a "slave", if being a slave means getting a six figure salary doing something I like. You can call me pathetic if it makes you feel better, but since I'm relatively happy and have a good work life balance that's ok.

The balance of power is not as skewed as you make it out to be, for some reason my skillset is in high demand and I always have to tell recruiters that I'm happy where I am right now.

>>14231985
What exactly is the difference between a 2892 and a 2824. Is it just thickness? Surely that doesn't matter when it's mounted in a big dive watch case.

>a tastefully done datejust with a fluted bezel and most importantly, no cyclops crystal
when did you realise that the student has surpassed the master

>>14232008
Thickness, better accuracy, more power reserve

>>14232001
>since I'm relatively happy and have a good work life balance that's ok.
Sounds like something your dog would say. If you had the self confidence to get one.

>>14231326
800 and you dont even get a bracelet. The gmt is nice though

>>14231974
Since the H-10 and Longines L888 type movements both have Powermatic-80 style escapements, there is no longer any basis to privilege the 2892 over the 2824. The Swatch Group literally excised the part thar made the 2892 better in order to save a few shekels in manufacturing.

>>14232008
Pretty much just thickness and price. The 2824 is 4.6mm and the 2892 is 3.6mm thick. The gear trains and the automatic winding systems are all but identical. Both 25j. They run at the same frequency.
They're both well-made enough to be regulated within COSC specs (Breitling uses tons of 2824s, after all)

The 2892 is thinner so it goes in dressier watches more regularly. but, like you said, in a diver, that's all irrelevant.

Really, it's 99% marketing. 2892 is a bigger number, so they can charge more.

>>14230819
nice rep kek

>>14232008
Between traditional versions of the 2824 and 2892, the 2892 tends to have better accuracy. For some hard to pin down reasons, some movements are usually much easier to adjust to tight accuracy standards than others.

The traditional 2892 is known for being one such movement with very good inherent accuracy. As a result The Swatch Group have always aggressively market segmented the 2892 to a higher price category than the 2824.

Today, now that The Swatch Group is replacing all their traditional escapements in 2824s and 2892s with Powermatic-80 style escapements, there is no longer such a big difference between them.

>>14232027
>its the same movement
>okay im wrong but they are functionally the same i swear because of minor detail

>>14232043
Id like the sauce for your escapement claims because you didnt even know the hamilton had a 2824 which you could have just googled

>>14232027
This is important to note. The replacement of the escapement is a bid deal. the Powermatic and the 2824's were roughly equivalent. The 2982's escapement was the thing that made it inherently more accurate. Replacing it with the Powermatic for the sake of power reserve ruined the movement and now, as >>14232043 noted, they're basically the same movement now, just one's a little thinner and has a 3-bolt rotor.

>Powermaticfags will defend this

>>14232050
>Anon is one person
You're flailing, anon

So...it's unanimous that buying a Longines Hydroconquesst brand new is a poor choice?

>>14232017
at least he isn't a shitty NEET and a parasite like you

>>14232064
Got it youre just making shit up again i hear ya

>>14232061

plastic is a space age material

>>14231653
holy crap first time seeing this watch. i fucking love it. will 100% buy one at some point. probably wanna wait and see if they release any limited versions

>>14232057
Its not the powermatic escapement and you have no evidence that it is. Where is the source for all this dumb bs you made up about the l888?

>>14231828
just get a loan and buy the 30k watch. thats what a lower class person such as yourself would usually do. its not like you'll really ever be able to pay it off anyways. pretty much like getting a discount

>>14232068
meh if you enjoy it then fuck it anon. that makes it worth it imo

>>14232061
That’s the Sistem51 escapement.

>>14232061
At least post this faggot

>>14232125
> High-Tech

Is this Longines poster the same guy?

What do these low frequency movements look like? Do they look more like a quartz or are they not that slow?

>>14232044
I wasn't the anon who claimed the Hamilton had a 2892. Nonetheless, claiming that the escapement type is a 'minor detail' is totally incorrect. In a mechanical watch movement, the escapement is the part of the movement that actually keeps time. It is the heart of the movement. Once you replace the escapement on a movement, it is no longer functionally the same movement.

>>14232134
at this point im willing to bet all the longines shills are the same person

Is Longines the highest Tier of Swatch brands to use the powermatic style movement?

How long will it be before Omega start using them? Will they just make ETA offer powermatics in the future?

>>14232050
>Id like the sauce for your escapement claims
My eyes, and my knowledge of escapements. Pic related is the escapement of the L888 movement, which is the same escapement as the L619/888 (you can google and see the matching beat rate and power reserve, both of which differ from the standard 2892-A2).

The escapement in that picture is a Powermatic-80 style escapement. It has the exact same arrangement of two eccentric weights on a balance wheel that therefore must be laser cut at the factory to set the balance and timing rate of the movement. That is not what the escapement of a traditional 2892-A2 looks like. That would be a regulated balance wheel with an Etachron micro-regulator screw.

>because you didnt even know the hamilton had a 2824 which you could have just googled
Not the same anon as the one who claimed that.

>>14232160
>>14232183
Yeah you right i see it now

>>14232082
>plastic is a space age material
Sure, but its a terrible choice of material for a pallet fork and escape wheel, since those experience sliding friction and plastic has crappy wear resistance compared to synthetic ruby and steel. In theory a co-axial escapement using advanced plastics for the co-axial wheels *might* work though.

>>14232183
You can't see the pallet fork or the balance wheel though, >>14232125 there's two versions of the Powermatic 80.

>>14232196
"Other modifications include reduced friction in the escapement, which was achieved through the use of “a high-performance synthetic material”."

They wouldn't boast friction reduction if it was a such a "terrible choice of material".

>>14232177
>Is Longines the highest Tier of Swatch brands to use the powermatic style movement?
Yes.

>How long will it be before Omega start using them?
No point since Omega already uses a silicon balance wheel, silicon hairspring, free sprung balance with co-axial memes.

>Will they just make ETA offer powermatics in the future?
They don't sell powermatic style movements to outside customers I don't think. They are exclusive for the use of Swatch Group brands.

>>14232207
>You can't see the pallet fork or the balance wheel though, >>14232125 there's two versions of the Powermatic 80.
I did not claim the Longines version used the plastic escapement of the base Powermatic-80

>They wouldn't boast friction reduction if it was a such a "terrible choice of material".
The difference between me and you is that I don't have to take their claims on faith because I actually know something about materials science.

No matter how how the coefficient of friction is on their chosen plastic, its not going to be enough to offset the orders of magnitude lower wear resistance plastic has compared to synthetic ruby and steel. This means that the plastic escapement on the base Powermatic-80 movements are likely to experience significant wear and performance changes over time. Not that it matters since when you send it to Swatch to service they'll just throw out the movement and put in a new one because those movements are cheaper to make than what they'd have to pay for the watchmaker's labour to actually service the thing.

Dress watch: Omega Bambino or something similar
Daily beater: Seiko SNN231
Lads night out: some fancy looking quartz shitter
Adventure touring: any Casio G Shock

What else do I actually need as a normal person?

>>14232125
If the Powermatic 80 balance achieves COSC then why should I be bothered with it being used by Longines?

>>14232261

We argue about escapements. What makes you think we know what normal people like

>>14232263
The Longines does not use the specific same escapement as the COSC version of the Powermatic-80, it uses the same *style* of escapement.

The reasons someone might care is if they wanted a 2892-A2 movement, if they care about the long term serviceability of their movements, if they care about the independent serviceability of their movements, and if they are interested in the skilled labour that goes into a traditional escapement versus the largely automatic process used on Powermatic-80 style escapements.

>>14232277
Yes but you still have watches for normal people that you use in normal occasions, right? Like obviously you're not going to wear your $20k watch on a motorcycle trip through Argentina.

>>14232289
Would the longines have issues being adjusted with this 2892 with the powermatic80 style of escapement?

are there any seiko dive watches with a max thickness on 10mm?

>>14232308
Basically, because Powermatic-80 style escapements only have two eccentric weights, and those weights are much closer to the axis of rotation than on a regular free sprung balance, Powermatic-80 style escapements are more limited in the range within which they can be adjusted for timing rate performance, and even more limited in terms of adjusting for positional variation or any imbalance with the balance wheel itself (you'd need at least four weights to be able to properly address balance issues).

These issues *could* present problems in the long term, and particularly when the movements are serviced. That said, a Swatch Group watchmaker would likely just replace the whole escapement if they had a problem. Doubly so as their heavily automatic production makes them cheaper to manufacture than usual, and the skilled labour of a watchmaker to fiddle with trying to adjust an escapement is expensive.

What is the difference between a quartz in a low and mid range Seiko and a grand seiko?

Are they higher frequency on the higher end watch to look more like an automatic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ7YiopfGg8

Discuss.

>>14232440
They're more accurate. For example, a regular 7N01 is accurate to +/-15 sec per month but a 8j41 is -/+10 sec per year. The 8j41 is also thermocompensated, which means it will perform better in different temperatures. Not an expert though so feel free to correct me.

Are high accuracy quartz watches actually worth it, and what are some good ones?

>tfw can't order replicas over the internet because they don't pass customs
Fuck my life.

>>14232520
The only time they'd be worth it is if you are after a certain design but you want it a bit cheaper.

You don't wear the watch often eg. Dress watch

Or you want something thin eg. A dress watch.

>>14232520
Only if you think having a watch that is more accurate than a few seconds per day is worth paying thousands for. Especially when a phone is even more accurate since it syncs with the network clock.

>>14232534
Could also be useful for everyday use. E.g. you commute by train and the train in your country is very punctual.

>>14232533
Well they are illegal so what do you expect?!

>>14232586

I don't think there's a country on this Earth that has trains punctual to the second.

>>14232588
All the politicians and businessmen still have them.

>>14232608
Only in Japan - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-42009839

>>14232611
politicians and businessmen don't wear fakes.

Is there any better watch related satisfaction than seeing that a watch that you’ve regulated yourself has been running at +-0s/d for a whole week?

>>14231031
Cartier is a womens watch

>>14232637
They sure do in my country.

>>14232672
You know nothing about watches then.

>>14232520
If you want to spend more than a thousand get a GS. If not check out seiko dolce or longines VHP. I'm not a longines shill I swear.

Recommend a watch for each of these /fa/ posters meeting up in NYC.

>>14232727
>If you want to spend more than a thousand
If I did that I wouldn't be buying a quartz would I.

>>14232729
is this a real fa meetup?
fucked if true

>>14232520
caring about extreme accuracy is pretty autistic
just get a casio

>>14232729
Seiko Samurai for the guy on the left, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Luftwaffe-1512088-Pilot-Watch/dp/B013TG2IGA for the guy on the right.

>>14232730
Exactly this. When I spend that much on a watch it will not be because a model is uselessly more accurate than another.

>>14232729
1,4,5,9 -> f-91w
2,8 -> diesel shitter
3,6,7 ->DW

>>14232729
I think they need haircuts, new clothes and finishing puberty before caring what watch they wear.

>>14232738
Yeah, I was just wondering if this actually mattered or if it's more or less the same thing.

I actually really like how these look, but if there's zero technical merit to it, I already have a shitload of regular fashion quartz chronos, might as well find a mechanical lookalike.

>>14232730
Take the quartzpill anon.

>>14232751
It doesn't matter at all. It only takes a few seconds to adjust a mechanical watch anyway every few days if you are that anal about it being 100% correct.

>>14232755
I have nothing against them, I literally wear them all the time, but you have to admit it's the "cheap" option in this day and age.

>>14232755
Why can't citizen into aesthetics?

>>14232755
>>14232770
What are the hole rows for in those movements?

What is the opinion on fossil watches?

>>14232786

rate
>>14230066
dogshit

>>14232793
Imagine being fisted by this guy

"Suggest a watch for me."
> Your budget - 500 eur tops
> Watch type - bauhaus design
> Desired bracelet option - leather
> Wrist size or desired watch size - 38mm

going to berlin and since I am to visit the bauhaus museum, I need a bauhaus watch

>>14232800
you sound like a colossal faggot

>>14232795
double fisted to death

>>14232800

Suggestions for a tacticool automatic chrono under $500? You know, the typical aesthetics for a NATO/rough leather strap, flieger chrono probably.

>>14232800
A Junghans of some kind

>>14232816
I'm a retard, I forgot the most important thing - preferably not too huge, I have very big wrists but I don't want a goddamn clock.

>>14232790
I think you are wrong, mine is super cool.

>>14232810
what the fuck did you just say to me etc

>>14231200
>crashing our whole shilling
>OUR
>posts pic showing that he is not samefagging

Lmao dumb fuck, i know that you are not samefagging. Reading comprehension isnt your strong suit, eh?

>>14232828

Do people actually like the cyclops/date magnifier? You only need to check the date once a day. It's ugly as sin.

>>14232816
>>14232819
>find my literally perfect watch
>it's discontinued
What do? It's Seiko SARG007 and it's the best looking one I've seen so far.

https://www.shoppinginjapan.net/sarg007

i dont want to wear a watch over $500
is this a tolerable mall shitter?

or should i rather get this mall shitter?

or this mollu shitteru?

>>14232861
I found this as a possible equivalent but it doesn't have a chronograph. What do you think?

>>14232909
absolutely gorgeous, unless you are a watch fanatic.
It looks great. The second hand movement is nice. The patterned dial is nice.
If you're not absolutely set on getting a bracelet strap, check out le locle with a gold bezel and brown leather strap

>>14232308
It's not much of an issue depending on what is important to you.
>>14232332
Anon is correct but the version of this escapement design has been further improved by Longines. It does have all the accuracy advantages of a free sprung balance, thus Swatch sending huge shipments to cosc with no worries.

Pros
> Sub 2 second per day accuracy all but guaranteed out of the box
>More shock resistance and less chance of the movement actually falling out of timing spec in the first place
>Free sprung design for 1k
>low positional variance out of the box
>Dirt cheap servicing from Longines with free shipping

Cons
>Longines service centres will at their discretion replace the escapement if required during service. Only Longines approved service centres will stock spare escapement.

>>14232520
Cheaper haq:
Certina ds2
Some Longines I forgot
Seiko Dolce

More expensive:
The Citizen Chronomaster
Seiko 9F

The expensive ones also have better case finishing to justify the cost.

>>14232913
Visodate sits pretty big on my wrist. I think it's just the way the lugs are. I didn't find it comfortable to wear

Never liked the Roman numerals on the leloch and the sarb is pretty great.

>>14232909
dont buy mall shitters, anin

better pay 5x the price for the same watch, but with "longines" written on it

>>14232946
Longines IS a mallwatch.

>>14232781
Those are open contact points for diagnostics and test purposes. For example if you want to test a certain capacitor or an IC without opening up the whole movement you insert two probes in certain holes and see a graph on your measuring device (most likely a specialized watchmakers oscilloscope).
The graph can be interpreted and the repair guy can tell wether that component is working properly or not or is going to break soon.

>>14232946
Kek, this.

>>14232909
I got this as a gift. It's fairly accurate and wears nicely. That's it. There's nothing special about it. Also I think it looks better with a leather strap.

>>14232946
I just realised that you pay extra for brand names when it comes to watches! Amazing insight you have, thank you.
Omega
Tag
Longines
Seiko
Rolex
All of them sell quartz watches comparable with mall quartz equivalents for greatly inflated prices.

>>14232949
My mall also sells breitling and rolex

>>14232918
https://www.jomashop.com/glycine-watch-gl0100.html

Found this too, wtf is Glycine?!

>>14230748
Holy shit this is true...

>>14232998
Yeah, actually, there are luxury malls that sell nothing but big name brands.

So any watch is a mall watch

>>14232764
>but you have to admit it's the "cheap" option in this day and age
There are fewer moving parts, and much of the movement (electronics etc.) are ideally suited for 'cheap' production.
But you need to look beyond that if you want to stop being a pleb.
For instance: https://watchesbysjx.com/2013/05/explained-seiko-9f-quartz-movements-definitive-proof-that-high-end-quartz-exists.html

>>14233021
Good luck explaining this to anyone outside of watchuseek or here.

>>14233028
Why would I?

It may be a shitter but it is an interesting shitter

w2c similar watch, but not a resin shitter?

I really really want this :(

>>14233171
buy one?

>>14233100

>>14233080

Why is there no affordable worldtimer in 38mm or smaller? Why even live?

>>14232930
Thanks for the reply. I am impressed by the l888 so far. Its running a second fast from when i set it 12 hours ago. I plan to collect more data on it. If it turns out to be shit i will let you guys know

>>14233202
It's discontinued and there aren't any for sale anywhere in my country. Should I ebay it and risk getting some random shit?

>>14233235
What is it exactly? Discontinued isn't a big deal, ebay is fairly reliable if the seller has a lot of transactions and good feedback.

>>14232930
> Sub 2 second per day accuracy all but guaranteed out of the box
Not really. Depends on how how balanced the balance wheel was on its axis, and how close the timing rate was to spec before the laser had to selectively burn parts of the balance wheel off to achieve the desired balance and timing performance. I would not assume that non-COSC certified Powermatic-80 style escapements will perform like the COSC certified ones, which use a silicon hairspring to help that style of escapement achieve good chronometric performance.

>More shock resistance and less chance of the movement actually falling out of timing spec in the first place
Sort of. You need to understand the difference between regulation and adjustment.

Adjustment is the process that influences how large the spread of deviations in timing rates is across different positions, states of wind of the mainspring, temperatures, and on wrist vs off wrist. It affects the *spread* between those rates. This is affected by the shape and geometry of the hairspring, and the balance of the balance wheel on its axis. On a regulated balance this is mostly done by shaping the hairspring geometry and ensuring its centered between the regulator pins at rest. On a free sprung balance this is done by adjusting the eccentric weights relative to each other to achieve balance on the axis of rotation, and by ensuring the correct geometry of the hairspring.

Regulation involves moving the center point of that spread, faster or slower. On a regulated balance this is done by moving the regulating pins closer to further along the outer coil from the stud. On a free sprung balance this is done by moving the eccentric weights closer to or further from the central axis by identical amounts to each other within a fairly narrow range.

(to be continued)

>>14233239
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Seiko-SARG007-Discontinued-Automatic-Authentic-Mens-Watch-Works/323762953480
>$1k for a $250 watch
Kill me.

>>14233245
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d356017379

>>14232930
>>14233244

The issue with the Powermatic-80 style escapements is that they have a relatively narrow range of settings for timing rate, and with there being only two eccentric weights, they cannot be be adequately used to correct any balance issues and/or positional variance issues that develop over the movement's life the way a true free sprung balance would be able to.

The relatively narrow limits of adjustability of Powermatic-80 style esapements mean they are much more likely to need to be replaced at service than a conventional regulated balance or a full free sprung balance would be, which also really limits how easily they can be serviced by independent watchmakers.

>Free sprung design for 1k
It is not a true free sprung design. It would need to have at least four eccentric weights and they'd have to be further from the center axis of rotation, plus the balance wheel would have to be manufactured with more precision such that it isn't selectively laser burned to achieve the desired results.

>low positional variance out of the box
That depends on lots of factors. Lasering balance wheels can only achieve so much. Not to mention whether it will *remain* true over the life of the movement is a much more dicey proposition.

>Dirt cheap servicing from Longines with free shipping
If you think 280£ is cheap for a service, you are mistaken. Good independents will usually do three handers for ~$150.

>>14233251
How do ppl generally buy this from yahoo auctions? Is there a specific proxy service for it?

>tfw too retarded to understand what is going on
So is the powermatic 80 good or bad? From what I understand the use of plastic parts improve the accuracy a lot, but because of that you need to send your watch back to an authorized service center. Did I get that right?

>>14233269
Not that anon but I've used buyee before. They're ok. There are other options such as zenmarket or dejapan. Just google them.

>>14233269
I've used a few but the one I like the best is shoppingmalljapan mainly due to their 5x multiplier. If you deposit $100 you can bid up to $500. The other services I've used require you to pay the full amount up-front before you bid.

What is better, a Hollister or an Abercrombie watch?

>>14233245
Cream dial looks good too

>>14233251
>digital Pachinko webpage

>>14233256
I still wish I understood why they made the changes. Its interesting, cost saving alone? If so, why not use a regulating arm. Its not like it is a more costly design for eta. Why include eccentric weights at all? All I know is mine works very well with less than +-2sec variation in any position. On the wrist +1spd.

£280. Is that really that much for the brands own service centre? Independent places might be cheaper for traditional designs but for a dealer service compared to other brands is that not cheap?

>>14233334
>I still wish I understood why they made the changes.
Cost savings. Adjusting a regulated balance escapement requires the skilled labour of a watchmaker, and the amount of that skilled labour grows exponentially the tighter the accuracy spec those movements have to be adjusted to. Powermatic-80 style escapements automate away the vast majority of that skilled hand labour because the adjustment and regulation are done by laser burning the balance wheel to achieve the required results.

Its so much cheaper to manufacture Powermatic-80 style escapements that the Swatch Group can offer better initial accuracy ratings than the regulated balances being replaced, and not worry about all the possible long term issues because those escapeements are cheap enough to make that replacing them at every service would likely be cheaper than spending a skilled watchmaker's labour on fiddling with them. Powermatic-80 movements, specifically, are just thrown out and replaced when the watch is serviced for that reason.

>Is that really that much for the brands own service centre?
It's not expensive as far was servicing from a watch brand itself goes, as they all charge high prices for services, but its expensive relative to a skilled independent. That said, unless you're a watch nerd, you probably wouldn't even know how to find or evaluate the skill of an independent watchmaker.

>>14233362
Do you think that they left the eccentric weights in for any minor regulating they have to do on a warranty repair job? Longines were cagey in their response to this and dodged the question.

>>14233302
It looks horrible. Pay attention to that steel finishing.

Wearing my orient star today while on my way to the coffee shop to putting in all the names to the excel for
the official /wd/ - Watch Discord giveaway. Also would like to remind everyone that there is still more than a week left.

>>14233421
What are you giving away?

>>14233433
A watch

>>14233421
Fuck off with your discord cancer.
>baiting people into it with lame gifts
Lmao, desperate.

what can i get that looks like this for less than 200 dollars

>>14233433
This, new old stock, very high quality mechanical wristwatch also packed with a pair of official /wd/ - Watch Discord(tm) silk gloves plus a pair of official /wd/ - Watch Discord(tm) stickers.

>>14233649
A quality giclee print of the dial

>>14231744
I kind of miss the roman numerals.

Wanted to buy a rolex for years.

Realised that none of the designs actually look that great in the flesh. Why no nice rolex dress watch?

>>14233723
that's a shitter

>>14233776
Wow, we have a horology mastermind here. Step aside lads.

>>14233769
Why are you lookng ar rolly for dress watches?

>>14230055

New thread:

>>14233785
>>14233785
>>14233785

>>14233784
I only wear dress watches

>>14233805

You'll need to go vintage. The handwinding ones are nice and thin with often elegant hands.

>>14233769
> Why no nice rolex dress watch?
They do, it's called the Cellini line.

>>14230055
im looking for an Automatic watch with a calender, a glassback and leather straps for less than 500 €

>>14233834
Seagull

>>14233649
A white strela with st19 movement kind of hits the same aesthetic

>>14233769
Rolex do dress watches pretty well imho, much nicer than their divers

>>14234561
If you want to be anal about it, a DJ is a sport watch. You can still get away with it in pretty much any dressy outfit, though. The Cellini watches are the real dress watches, but I would rather pick another brand if I wanted a dress watch at that price.