/fa/ - Fashion

It's the watch Dufour wears so you can't get a better recommendation than that.

>>14166172
Based ALS and based Philippe Dufour

Suggest a watch for me.
> 300€
> Aviator watch type
> Leather>Metal
Thanks anons
> 40~42mm

>>14166193
Some sort of Seiko Flighty.

>>14166193
Mechanical or quartz?

>>14166221
Would like a mechanical watch.

Recommend me a good diver for around $7000

>>14166234
Parnis Flieger

>>14166240
TAG-Heuer Aquaracer

>>14166252
Fucking plastic shitters
I just want one day without seeing this shit in here

>>14166252
Ew wtf

How does silver fit on sorta brown fellas? Id consider myself caramel if anything but god damn i wanna wear some silver

I dig these chrono looking watches, the more simple-faced ones are too small imo

>>14166163
Goddamn that's sexy. There any halfway decent knock offs or replicas of this?

>>14166364
This place is not for you

there's no /wt/ on /g/ so I guess I'll ask here
I have an HMT watch that's stopped, and a watch repair guy said it's going to be £150 to replace the mainspring
At that point I'd just like to replace the movement. How would I go about doing that myself?

>>14166368
150 for a mainspring, nigga pls, seems like a fucking scam artist.
Anyways, it is a fucking HMT, bin it and get a Seiko 5 or something.

>>14166368
>Buy movement online
>Take off back of watch, pull out movement
>Replace with new movement
>????????
>Profit!

I would recommend not doing that since it's too much cost/effort and that seems like a hefty price to get it replaced. Just get a better watch lol.

>>14166375
>>14166379
definitely not my only watch, I just like the face and haven't found any ones that come close to it

>>14166382
If that's the case then give it a go. You'll have to get a bunch of tools and stuff, and as well as the movement, so all up you might be spending way more than you should, but if it's something you want to fool around with then go for it.

Though of course, you won't get that money back so if it's purely for learning watch-related stuff then knock yourself out.

>>14166368
>HMT
>At that point I'd just like to replace the movement. How would I go about doing that myself?
You put the poo directly in the loo and buy something that isn't a fucking hunk of garbage.

>>14166382
POO

>>14166362

Usually yellow gold for olive/brown complexion, rose gold for lighter brown complexions.

>>14166367
I dont care about your bullshit nerd watch mechanisms you jerk off to, fag.

>>14166400
imagine the smell

>>14166400
I wouldn’t want to open up that watch filled with faeces particles.

>>14166400
>Literally buying a shitter
LMAO

>>14166421
Another seething poorfaggot

>>14166382
You could open it and search for the same movement online, then ask a good watchmaker to replace the movement for you. Don't go to some sheap faggot, he will ruin it.

If you don't want to pay it:
>practice removing hands on trash watches
>look on youtube, use either special pliers or two razor blades (done with no problem but could go wrong)
>use dial protector like in the pic or just cut out of paper
>get a press for the watch hands (i did it with a plastic piece, worked fine, just be very careful)
>clean the dial and glass from all particles, wear latex to avoid fingerprints.

I had fun, the trash watch worked again and still does but you need practice to not ruin your watch.

>>14166802
Would you suggest I practice on my dad's lange 1?

>>14166811
Of course, you are his wifes son after all, he will love you even more afterwards.

>>14166811
I hope you're trolling.

>>14166814
Thanks. I'll also try to remove the scratches on the movement I hate how careless they are like why is it brushed

>>14166820
Yeah, fucking germans with their sloppy work. I bet it's some sneaky way to remind us all of the holocaust. Ugh...fucks sake Hans, we get it, it left deep scratches in all our history, now calm down plz.

>>14166830
I heard it's a reference to the (((scratches))) on the walls in Auschwitz.

>>14166838
Fucking kek.

Does the A. in A. Lange & Söhne stand for Auschwitz?

Someone recommend me a good diver around $7,000

>>14166864
It stands for Adolph, Adolph Lange.
I wonder how many of (((them))) wear a langes.
That picture of yours could be something, post it sometimes here. I will too.

>>14166295
Bait?

>>14166295
this poster never happened..

>>14166865
omega seamaster planet ocean

>>14166368
What the fuck, I bought a HMT out of curiosity and it also stopped working a few months after it arrived, but the local watchmaker asked me 10 dollars for servicing and oiling, not bloody 150 euros. What country do you live in?

>>14166865
Say a little more about what you like and want.

>>14167283
UK, it was a watch repair place in a shopping centre
I'm going to try another place but I'm not keeping my hopes up

Are there any mechanical watches like this? Minimalist but also modern looking.

>>14167283
10 dollars for servicing is impossible in most of europe. 150€ is def a scam price, i'd guess that the best he could hope for would be around 40-60€.

>>14167905
>minimalistic watch
>has pointless dots, a bigger case than needed and two different materials for the watch (leather and plastic)

Get out of here with this flamboyancy. Get this casio for a minimalistic price of under 10 bucks and stop throwing money at steves rotting corpse.

>>14167964
>quartz

Is there really nothing like that with a mechanical movement? Preferably hand-wound.

>>14167905
Those boring looks are not compatible with the quirks (inaccuracy, fragility, ...) of a mechanical.
Watches that look like that are cheap quartz only.

>>14167990
Jokes aside, i like the design of the jobs seiko, pleasant to look at and very nice proportions. Unfortunatelly i have not seen anything similar to it as a mechanical watch. Junghans has some nice mechanical, minimalistic bauhaus watches but they look different.
If you really like the style, just get it in quartz. Seiko did a reissue of the nano universe watch, but i doubt that it's easy to find or cheap.

>>14167994
Mechanical watches aren't special either. They are cheaply massproduced by robots and marketed towards you as something special.
Also some watches just can't be bought with a mecha. movement. and if you like a certain model, you just go for a quartz. Happened to me.

>>14167935
>10 dollars for servicing is impossible in most of europe
Damn it feels good living in a third world country then.

>>14168031
>inaccuracy, fragility
Learn to read.

>>14168032
It has it's perks, that's true. Where do you live? Would be interesting to see if the price is actually really cheap, depending on the average income of your region. I mean, if people earn only 200$ they will think twice to spend it on a watch service.

>>14168065
Chile, the minimum here is like $448. Regarding local watchmakers, the one I always take my watches charges me $10 for hand wound watches (like the hmt he serviced) and $38 for automatics, though he always makes me a price if I take a watch for more than one thing, like servicing and replacing a crystal, so far I've only taken to him vintage swiss watches, some seikos and that one hmt, all of them with rather simple complications like day-date. I have yet to buy a chronograph.
I've asked other watchmakers and most of them also seem to charge like 40 dollars for servicing, but I decided to take all my watches in one place because at least the first guy opened the watch in front of me and showed to me that it needed oiling and servicing instead of just quoting a general price without looking at the watch like all the other watchmakers arround, that and the prices he does for more than one thing, he's a cool old guy.

>>14168102
That is actually a pretty good price, even if one earns only minimum wage. That guy sounds pretty great, especially for showing you what he does, that's the right way to get customers trust.

I calculated the percentile of the repair costs, and even if the british dude would earn 2500$, the 150 bucks still are way too overpriced. And 2.5K is not minimum wage in britain, it's actually a okay, middle class income, in the countryside.

Watchmaker anon are you here? What movement is this?

>>14168225
Looks like a plain ETA 2892.

>>14166368
>>14167935
He's asking 150€ because he wants you to fuck off with that piece of shit. He's not going to waste work-hours on a worn to shit poo in loo garbage that's likely unsalvageable.

t. watchmaker

Strange dgital Seiko auction here:
https://buyee.jp/item/yahoo/auction/e344094596
It's a bit like the SBPG but it's not as nice looking. Cheaper though!

Reminder to adjust your watches for daylight savings. Also Rize is best girl.

>>14168367
cringe and bluepilled

>>14168330
Thanks anon. The watch it kinda thin so I think you're right.

>>14167905
sistem51

>>14168574
>>14167905

Is the misaligned chapter ring a deal breaker for you guys?

Ive moved on to more luxury watches, but I still really enjoy the SKX. The misaligned chapter ring really bothers me though. Has anyone here fixed it on their own? Not sure if I want to mess with this watch myself.

It's up!
https://youtu.be/IhP-khd5glk

>>14168641
Whats the watch model?

I've got one of these as a present. Don't think I am gonna use it, I always associated them with aged gentlemen and I am not even 30 yet, but I wonder what are /fa/ thoughts on pocketwatches.

Hmm, I'm sure I've seen this design before. Any ideas?

>>14168641
Pretty sure that's a Christopher Ward ripoff

>>14168817
Fifty Fathoms.

>>14168817
This amounts to a facile claim that any and all divers that use a triangle 12, rectangular 3,6,9 and round indices for the other numbers is a copy of another watch even if the hands, dial, bezel, case-shape and bracelet design are all different.

By that loose a standard, literally every dive watch with circular indices is a rip-off, which is self-evidently absurd.

The Tudor North Flag deserves more love

>>14168817
No ideas here.

Would this watch work with anything other than the factory bracelet? Would a nato look shit on it?

Hold the croc grain jokes.

Newfag here. What's the most effay watch to get?

>budget
1k FreedomBux
>Type
Dress watch probably?? I'm not that familiar with types of watches so suggest whatever.
>braclet
Braclet can be whatever
>size
desired watch size would probably be something between 36mm-40mm

Thanks faggots I appreicate it

>>14168881
Yikes.

WAY/WT/?

>>14168881
Given the unique case design, I'm not sure a NATO would work on it. a 3 ring zulu or an RAF strap might work though.

>>14168929

>>14168887
>1k FreedomBux
shitters arent effay

>>14168929
My modded shitter, the bezel's lume pip got knocked off recently

>>14166252
Ayyyyyye.

I wear mine to work every day (I bartend) and I love it. I dont have to worry about ruining it or getting it wet. It's completely functional and in my opinion has a nice minimal design. I have other more high end and dressy watches, but this little plastic piece of shit has honestly been my favorite lately.

>>14168962
Got it back from service?

>>14168983
ye

>>14168978
Not bad. Was it originally an SKX031?

>>14168492
Based.

>>14168863
100% agreed especially on a bracelet

Yesterday I got this pile of broken junk from Japan, for parts. Or so I thought. Turns out I could repair all of them.
>the X8 needs one part, a new crystal and a cleaning
>the Auto Dater has a great condition movement, but the case is pretty beat
>the Moeris pocket watch needs a new mainspring and a cleaning, and maybe after that if it's no too worn out (cheap unjeweled geartrain) maybe I could solder wire lugs on it, make it one of those canted conversions
How should I proceed?

>>14169029
It was an Invicta, so really shitty but to be honest it's got a solid movement and the case and bracelet are pretty decent quality for the price I paid 4 years ago. Everything else has been changed and I also got rid of the crown guards

>>14168641
just open the caseback, take out the crown, take out the movement+dial+hands, allign bezel and put it all back together, its super duper easy fix

>>14166252
>>14168979
I fell for this meme, but the resin/rubber band barely lasts a year before falling apart.

I love rubber/resin bands but god do they have shit durability

>>14168367
lot going on here

Orient makes some really nice, affordable dress watches, but why the hell are they all over 40mm

>>14169033
So clean. Looks like a 3D render.

>>14169163
It annoys me so much. There are all these watches I love the designs of but they are too big for my wrist.

The one on the left is the re-release with the "modern" size. The right one would be perfect for me but nope. I guess men got bigger wrists now than in the past?

>>14169218
>that date window placement on the reissue
Shall we move it up a bit so that it's not cutting into the 6 marker? There's plenty of room.
Nah, fuck it.

What's a good beginner's dress watch? Something minimal and would look good on a date or work
Preferably under 40mm
Bracelet not too relevant
Budget $300

>>14169228
I don't know how you can be a designer for a big watch company and then make obvious mistakes. Especially if the original was perfect.

>let's make the subials bigger and cover up the chromo minute dial

i have decided to regurgitate the Omega Speedmaster blue pill and try something else.

list the best, top tier Chronographs i should look at as a replacement. budget is anything between $2500 and $6000. willing to buy used in mint or good condition.

>>14169278
Omega Speedmaster

>>14169278
Navitimer.

>>14169278
Speedmaster Automatic ofc

lol you aint on the moon
use gravity
lol

>>14169228
You make it sound so fucking easy. Let’s move it up a bit eh? That would make the date disc smaller meaning you wouldn’t be able to have the numbers the same size as it is now. Let’s not forget the date change mechanism, the gearing. Let’s just move that up a bit, plenty of room. It’s so fucking easy an anon thought of it on 4channel. Fucking brainlets I swear.

>>14169288

Which ref ?

Also what are some other options

>>14169335
>imagine actually defending shitty companies, for the sake of feeling clever on an anon board

Woah there, take it easy champ.
They could have made is smaller with no problems, the numbers would not have been a lot smaller.
Companies just never do this, they want to cut costs and use the next best fitting movement they can get for cheap. A bad placed date window on an expensive watch is a deal breaker. Also dates are always useless for me, most watches just should not have them, ruins the dial.

>>14169356
Look at the movement. Tell me how it’s possible to make the disc smaller?

>>14169335
Just fucking remove the date window all together, there's no need for one on a diver, especially one that pointlessly cuts into the most striking aspect of the dial's design

>>14169349
Whatever is in your price range and fits you wrist.

>>14169359
>not using a in-house movement

Mallwatch tier.

>>14169359
There is no need to overcomplicate it. Instead of changing the movt. they could
>find a slightly smaller movement where the disk is already in a good position
>design the dial around the movement

or just do the best thing and >>14169365
Date windows are fucking useless and ugly. If they were clever, they would have offered a date and a non-date version. But that would crash the budget for the model.
Fucking modern horology was a mistake.

I think ugly misplaced date windows might be Oris's speciality

Thoughts on the Oceanus OCW-S100-1AJF?

The tachymeter is especially useful when there's a date window on it

>>14169382

The oceANUS is one of the most honestly priced watches you can get in the realm of quartz watches.

Very well built all around.

>>14169382

Also the tough movement technology is no meme. It is pretty cool

Here's the movement overlaid on the watch.

Blue is the date change mechanism, reds are the outline of the date disc and movement.

Only fix for it to not cut into the 6 while still using the SW200 is to make the watch even bigger while the date disc size remains the same. You can't make the disc smaller because of the teeth and the change mechanism.

>>14169373
All I'm doing is disproving you saying "Shall we move it up a bit so that it's not cutting into the 6 marker? There's plenty of room."

There's no fucking room and it's not an easy fix.

>>14169278
Heuer Carrera Re-Edition.

>>14169278
You won’t find anything better than the Speedmaster in that price range. Why on earth would you let the contrarians of 4chan get to you? On matters of taste as well...it might be late for you.

>>14169381
Jesus christ, that trapezoid.
>>14169385
That one is even worse, fucking insulting.
Oris is trash, but with non caring boomers you can pull all kinds of shit.

Here's some older santos.
Cartier out of all brands... Their selling point is basically that fucking dial.

>>14169394
>i posted an easy fix
>somebody else suggested developing inhouse movements to make it look good

>it's not an easy fix
Just hang yourself, you are what is wrong with the watch industry. Instead of thinking "i pay for that shit, it better be made to my likings" you defend them like a good boy.

>>14169465
If you had more brain cells than a nigger you’d actually realise I’m only disproving the “easy there’s room move it up” fix.

“Only fix for it while still using the SW200...”. Learn to read edgelord.

>>14169278
A vintage chronograph with a Lemania 5100 movement.

>>14169485

i am taking a look at them and nearly all 5100 equipped chronographs are insanely thick. they all clearly average around 15mm if not more.

are there lemania 5100 watches of reasonable thickness?

>>14169417

technically speaking, the speedmasters 1863 movement is decent, but nothing too exotic. is there seriously nothing better than a speedmaster in that price range? even used?

what about $7k?

>>14169509
I doubt it due to the functional design requirements the movement had to meet. Hard to avoid a thick watch when you have 4 hands on the central hand stack, plus a plastic shock absorption plate, plus automatic winding.

>>14169517
On the technical merits you'd have trouble beating a Brietling B01 in that price range. A Zenith with the El Primero will give you more horological interest and better finishing though. TAG's Autavia re-issue has another technically excellent movement, but the watch is so thick you might as well buy something with a Lemania 5100 instead.

>>14169392
>>14169393
What's the tough movement tech?
What's the difference between a normal quartz?
Also, would this thing be a pain to set/manage? I know there's some radio shit.

New watch. What does /wt/ think?

>>14169365
Ok so lets remove straps and pointer now

Why aren't all screws blued on some watches? This is Dufour's simplicity and it's only the badge screws that are blued. I've seen other watches with a mixture of screws as well.

>>14169630
Tempering was originally used in the past because it make the steel rust resistant. These days heat treated screws are only used for their aesthetics. I guess Dufour simply thought the silver looked better in some places. Even ALS uses a mixture.

Are there any Bauhaus-style watches that aren't cheap Chinese knockoffs like the Rodina or hundreds or thousands of dollars? I'm looking for something under $500.

Just learned this, Omega Speedmasters have a plastic lever.

>>14169574
oh thats epic

>>14169687
And? The 5100 has lots of delrin parts. The reliability of these movements is what matters. Furthermore, Speedmasters are most functional with solid casebacks, as they normally have metal inserts to prevent them from being magnetized. The display back Speedies are nice to look at, but less protected in this respect.

>>14169686
Not as colourful but still German, Aristo Dessau powered by an ETA 2824 and just right at your pris.

>>14169695
I wasn't familiar with the movement that's all. Just lightly surprised to find out it uses a plastic part.

>>14169686
The reason Nomos are so expensive is because they use an in house mechanical movement. You're essentially after a cheap quartz fashion watch. Cheapest I can think of are Skagen, Ruhla and Braun (yes that Braun)

>>14169686
actual max bill non-chronographs are around that price

>>14169730
It's not as if decent mechanical movements aren't available under $500. If it keeps time within a few seconds each day then I'm okay with it.

Honestly, what sets Nomos movements apart other than being developed in-house? It's not like they have a ton of complications or anything of that sort.

People keep bandying the word "in-house" as if it's a good thing in itself. I honestly don't care whether a movement is developed in-house or a workhorse movement as long as it performs well.

>>14169660
Looks like Lange uses blued screws for bridges only, levers are regular. Was curious as to how it would look with every screw blued and I must say it's a bit too much.

>>14169714
There are benefits to Delrin; it's self-lubricating, and if from good stock it shouldn't really break or shatter. It's usually resistant to expansion/contraction problems you see with organic materials and even some metals, so it's great to use in watches for specific things (like chrono second brakes, which need not be metal at all.)

But then again we live in the age of watches serving the luxury purpose first and foremost ahead of practical usage. So, you'd never see a plastic part on a Patek....

>>14169762
Haha. Yeah that's a bit much.

>>14169714
Hmm. Not a fan of how logo typeface or how the hands taper inwards instead of being straight. Something about the way the numbers are printed also makes it look cheap. I'll try to look for more photos. Thanks for the recommendation.

>>14169747
Quartz or automatic?

>>14169762
>MADE IN GERMANy

Damn even if you spend thousands of dollars you can still get watches with text cut off.

>>14169773
used automatic and the manual wind ones

they typically go for 550-600, but it's not unheard of seeing them go for 500 or lower

shame you missed out on these: https://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/fs-junghans-max-bill-027-3701-34mm-manual-wind-4781119.html

just check watchrecon regularly if you really want one for joog

>>14169782
Not actually cut off m8.

>>14169782
Not really cut off but is currently being covered by the spring on top of it + the angle.

>>14169517
You can do better technically but you’ll end up with a watch that has some glaring fault like a hideous dial, giant case diameter, or horrible finish. The Speedmaster is recommended because it has no obvious glaring flaws for that price range and obviously for the historical pedigree.

>>14169755
>Honestly, what sets Nomos movements apart other than being developed in-house? It's not like they have a ton of complications or anything of that sort.
Offering an in-house movement at that price range is noteworthy. Nomos movements are also well finished which is more than you can say about most watches that cost 2-3x more.
>People keep bandying the word "in-house" as if it's a good thing in itself. I honestly don't care whether a movement is developed in-house or a workhorse movement as long as it performs well.
That’s fine but if you’re spending several thousands of dollars on a luxury watch, most people would rather know that they’re buying from the people who make the damn thing, not people who just make a case and dial and hands and then swap in an ETA. Once you get into the upper echelons of watchmaking the differences become more nuanced and it’s about hand finishing, in house movements, and complications for the sake of complications. Obviously that doesn’t appeal to everyone but that’s the rationale behind lauding in house movements.

Should I cop or is this a waste of money?

>>14169839
it's ugly as shit and when your taste develops you'll just throw it away, but if you like it right now, it's just $6

>>14169839
If you want to throw $6 away you could just paypal it to me.

>>14169831
>Offering an in-house movement at that price range is noteworthy. Nomos movements are also well finished which is more than you can say about most watches that cost 2-3x more.

As I've mentioned, I care more about exterior craftsmanship and meeting a certain minimum standard of performance rather than whether the movement (something I assume even 90% of luxury watch buyers themselves never see or examine up close beyond the caseback) is well-finished.

I understand the joy of owning and taking care of well-crafted things and I certainly am not against appreciating things like "hand finishing, in house movements, and complications for the sake of complications" but to say that anything under half a thousand dollars would only get one a "cheap quartz fashion watch" is elitist gatekeeping and not something I would expect to hear from people who truly appreciate watches. Your passion and appreciation for a subject or field should deepen with your knowledge of it and not with how much money you can throw at it.

>>14169906
To offer a different, if drunken thought. Modern watchmaking IS gatekeeping, and the Chinese prove it. The cheapest mechanical chronograph, the cheapest tourbillon, etc. are all Chinese made Seagull movements. The Tourbillon goes for just under 1000$...and from every report I've read it keeps time just fine.

You are interested in performance? Then the ETA movements are what you're looking for, because for the most part they are the most reliable, most universal movements that all watchmakers know how to regulate and service. Next up are the Valjoux variants, including the 7750 chronograph movement which has been used in everything from Omega to IWC.

Appreciating watches is a nice thing, but we can't get away from the modern reality. Unless you're looking in the vicinity of JLC and up, you're going to be dealing mainly with outsourced parts to outsourced movements. That's not a terrible thing, it's just a reality of the financial scheme.

To get something 'special', you either have to go with something that has a personal history that is either important to you or important to someone you know, or you have to pay the big bucks.

One other thing: what standard of performance are you looking for? If mechanical, I would assume COSC and within...which therefore would include ETA. If quartz...then what? Seiko probably would cure that idea.

Maybe the question should be asked differently. What do you want the watch for? Why are you buying it? What itch does it scratch?

>>14169906
> the joy of owning and taking care of well-crafted things and I certainly am not against appreciating things like "hand finishing, in house movements, and complications for the sake of complications"
No one here will say a $500 or cheaper mechanical movement has those merits you talk about. If you want a good mechanical watch it costs a lot of money.

If you want something affordable but can still looks great whist still being accurate then go for quartz.

Which is better/more impressive, Rolex's superlative chronometer rating or Omega's master chronometer rating?

>>14169939
At the moment, the Master Chronometer rating. But none of it matters because Rolex holds its value far better than Omega, so if you're thinking long term and have no issues with aesthetics, go Rolex.

>>14169906
>As I've mentioned, I care more about exterior craftsmanship and meeting a certain minimum standard of performance rather than whether the movement (something I assume even 90% of luxury watch buyers themselves never see or examine up close beyond the caseback) is well-finished.
There’s nothing wrong with that. Buy a quartz Grand Seiko and be done with it. But to act as if people enjoying the complexity and craftsmanship that goes into a movement is the same as elitist gatekeeping is just hilarious, particularly considering where you are. Without people who obsessed over the minute details, watchmaking would hardly be an industry.

>>14169944
I know Omega movements have certainly improved in recent years but are they really better than Rolex these days?

>>14169958
Unknown. The long-term issues of co-axial movements are still not tested, for obvious reasons. Considering that the servicing interval is essentially the same (realistically at least once every 10 years) and that positional variance will always be something with these movements because of their design limitations, in my view the difference is in what you want, what you need it for, and what you expect of its performance within your daily life.

My Seamaster uses the old Omega 1120 movement, which is an ETA in their chronometer rated version. It holds to 0/0 per day because it loses when on my wrist but gains the same if face up overnight. So, a perfect watch for me. But obviously if it were dial up all day, or on my wrist 24/7, there would be a change. In other words, it performs because I know how to take advantage of the variance to keep it in time.

Then again, I got it to dive with, so it serves my purposes. Most people with dive watches don't dive, so it's an aesthetic/social choice. I wouldn't trade my watch for anything though...too many things that I've been through with it.

You have to understand that once you get to +/- 4 seconds daily, then it's all the same in terms of performance. After that point, you then start to pay money for finishing, complications, overall aesthetics, materials, and exclusivity.

>>14169958
>>14169958
Rolex's SC rating means it has a tolerance of -2/+2.

Omega's MC rating means it has a tolerance of 0/+5.

Apparently the MC testing is more stringent with magnetic forces.

But I am a classic kind of guy so I still prefer Rolex.

>>14169972
>>14169983
Well I can say from personal experience my 32xx calibre Rolex, which is their latest movement, is better than -2/+2spd, it's more like -1/+0spd

Unfortunately I don't have a modern Omega to compare it with.

>>14169929
>>14169930

I think you both misunderstand me. I don't expect the merits I've mentioned to be available for at a sub-$500 or even sub-$1000 price point. What I mean to say is that appreciating those things is all well and good but it is wrong to claim that there is nothing of value at lower price points.

I have nothing against quartz movements. If I want to keep truly accurate time I'd get a quartz. I own a Casio AE1200WHD-1A. Mechanical movements just feel better to me personally though even if it's just a Seiko 7s26.

Yes, good mechanical watches cost money and if that's your thing then go ahead and spend on it. I would if I could. I am simply against the notion that you need to drop at least $1000 for a good mechanical watch.

Is this acceptable for a gen 1 orient mako? (The one with no handwinding and hacking). It was bought around 5 years ago.

>>14169948
Again, just to clarify I'm not against appreciating complexity or craftsmanship. The thing that I refer to as elitist gatekeeping is claiming that there are no decent mechanical watches to be had for $500.

>>14169990
I can believe it. The issue though is that it's still a traditional lever escapement, so it's subject to all the limits that the design has for every watch in this tradition.

The only thing that would make the whole thing change would be along the lines of the Zenith Defy labs watch with the new oscillator, and that's not including Seiko's Spring Drive.

It would be easier if we could say definitively 'Rolex is better because X'. But really, in this field it's all the same. Hell, my Dad's Seamaster from 68 (cal. 565) was just recently serviced and it's within COSC cert. I mean...really, it's all the same as long as it performs within what you need in life.

>>14169997
Well, I will happily claim that there is 'little' of merit sub-500. The best example that I can think of is my Seagull 1963. For 300-400$, you get a column-wheel manual wind chronograph, with the movement being a slightly modified Venus which was one of the most reliable movements at the time in history. It's still holding at +2 per day.

hold on....

>>14170003
Well, what is your standard of quality? Is it under -/+ 5 seconds per day? Obviously, chronographs are generally more complicated and thus more expensive and it's difficult to find a mechanical one under $500. But a regular mechanical watch that just tells the time and maybe the date within +/- 15 or maybe even 30 seconds? That's good enough for me personally.

>>14169997
>>14170002
Consider a few things.
1) Servicing: it can cost 200-250$ for a basic servicing of a normal movement from a reputable independent. So, if you buy a watch for that price or less that is mechanical, consider the movement disposable, as the industry definitely considers them disposable.

2) The cost of manufacture with the tolerances required for good timekeeping increases substantially as you aim for tighter results, which is why there seems to be a sudden funnel acceleration until the 2000$ mark, where things start to even out and you get into ETA modified ebauches. Before this, you're relying on Seagull or Miyota movements, with a few others sprinkled in (I'm sure it's possible to get a Unitas movement or two along the way, and of course the lower grade Seiko movements).

3) Aesthetic beauty/ugliness comes with cost. Finishing comes with cost. Lume that actually glows well comes with cost, along with clean application. A well designed movement that is easy to disassemble and service, with parts readily available in case there is a need to replace them....this comes with cost. It all adds up.

This is why there is what you would refer to as elite gatekeeping. You could throw a Lemania 5100 into a shitty case; I've seen them on Chrono24 countless times. This is the problem. Below 1000, you're either buying the engine, or the shell. You can't afford both unless you compromise on both.

Try it, honestly, just try it. Go to Chrono24.com, and search for watches 1000 and less, starting at the most expensive and going down. Unless you're looking for a pocket watch, you'll be dealing with mechanicals that either have shitty movements or shitty aesthetics or both. Higher grade pieces will be in shitty condition (given the price).

If there is a cabal, it's coming from the top, not from the consumers.

>>14170003
I know what you mean. I've got a vintage Rolex too from the 1960's and after that came back from servicing it's crazy accurate. -2/+2spd but always averages to 0 over multiple days.

> Zenith Defy labs watch with the new oscillator
That tech is very interesting but I'd want to see it in more watches before we know if it'll catch on and if other brands license it. What Zenith have stuck it in so far have been awful.

>>14170018
My standard has depended upon my lifestyle. My Omega served me well when I lived in the UK, where trains were supposed to run on time but never did. When I was in Germany, once again the Omega kept me from missing an occasional train once or twice (due to my own tardiness, of course).

For a chronograph, the only one I know of under 500 is the seagull 1963.

For a watch that tells the time within 30 seconds a day, you can go with any Miyota movement; you can even get an automatic for around 120 or so. Rotary watches used to produce one...and I think they put those movements into novelty pocket watches as well.

The way I see it, you seem to be wanting a mechanical watch just for the sake of having a mechanical watch. 15-30 seconds per day is awful...even early 20th century pocket watches were under this (railway certified were supposed to keep to within 30 seconds per week). If that tolerance is good enough for you, then that's okay...the field is open to a lot of things. Just be aware of the servicing costs, because unless you plan to service the watch yourself, you'll be paying more than the value of the watch after the first servicing.

>>14170024
I too hate Zenith's aesthetic direction, but to me the technology is sound. The problem is that the movement already blows the competition out of the water in terms of positional variance, susceptibility to temperature and magnetism, etc., so if it were put into a whole lineup, less expensive than say 5000$, then the argument of precision and accuracy would be eliminated completely and companies like Omega wouldn't have a leg to stand on. I like Omega's aesthetic, but the better is the enemy of the good.

>>14170032
A throat clearing. I was a little direct in >>14170032 because I was running out of words.

If the Zenith oscillator is put into a series of watches that is affordable (i.e. 5000 or less), then the mid-level or entry-level watches have no reason to exist. Furthermore, the effectiveness of the oscillator in terms of overall accuracy means that there will no longer be an argument that higher-priced time-pieces will be better at holding temporal accuracy.

After the quartz crisis, mechanical watches could no longer compete from a practical standpoint, so they had to be marketed based on 'heritage', 'old-world manufacturing', etc. But today we've been seeing something of a resurgence once again in the existential need of men to perfect something further, and thus the increasing tolerances (Omega Master Chronometer, as an example).

The Zenith oscillator will once again destroy this need for further accuracy from a mechanical movement. So once again the system will face a crisis: either employ the oscillator in everything, or survive based on name, reputation, and aesthetics. Rolex could survive I think. But Tag Heuer, Omega, Breitling, Fortis, and all the others in this price-range would be gone. JLC, Vacheron Constantin, etc. would survive because they are artisan based. If you own a Reverso, you don't care if it's accurate because you're rotating daily between that, the Patek, the Lange, etc.

Anyone know where I can get good leather straps from? I just want a plain black one that's high-quality without being overpriced.

>>14170041
>A throat clearing. I was a little direct in >>14170032 because I was running out of words.
Yeah for me, it's a YIKES.
Do you also happen to wear a fedora daily?

>>14170108
I’d suggest a nice croc-grain calf but proper leather. Camille Fournet.

>>14170108
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>>14169278
Sinn Navitimer.

>>14169382
>ANUS

Any guesses for what this movement is?

Aight I need opinions
left:
>SNZH55K1
right:
>SNZF17K1

Which one and why?

>>14170178
Patek.

>>14170219
Close but no.

>>14170205
Left. Hands are nicer as is the fifty fathoms aesthetic. Plus you won’t risk people laughing at you for a submariner homage.

>>14170236
>take the fifty fathoms homage
>people won't laugh at you for a submariner
>submariner is literally a fifty fathoms ripoff
Guess we've come full circle then.

Just bought this

What does /fa/ think?

>>14170239
Most people haven’t even heard of the FF, compare that to what is probably the most famous luxury watch model there is.

And yes there is something poetic about it coming full circle.

>>14170241
>Seiko 5hitter
Yawn.

>>14170253

How is it a shitter?

Would you guys say that Vacheron's 222 is as iconic as the RO and Nautilus?

>>14170256
Not to say it isn’t a nice watch but it’s nowhere near as iconic.

Not necessarily a bad thing though, part and parcel of being iconic is how recognisable it is among the masses. Be thankful VC isn’t tarnished by being worn by stupid shit like DJ Khaled or whatever.

>>14170255
My dude, I'm fine with Seikos but don't be thinking that a Seiko 5 isn't literally peak shitter. Good value for absolute entry level watch people (or people entering the hobbie/babby's first auto) or beaters sure, but still shitters.
>Cheap
>Automatic that doesn't hack
>Automatic that doesn't handwind
>Field watch that does neither
>No Sapphire
>Literally not worth fixing if it gets damaged
>Terrible resale value

>>14170267
>Automatic that doesn't hack
I guess all pateks are shitters too huh

>>14170277
You are delusional thinking Seiko is on the same level as Patek.

THREADLY REMINDER.

>>14170125
Yeah no kidding. That garbage needs to go in a shitty blog far from here. Nobody wants to scroll past that inane shit any more than they want to scroll past those beaded bracelet shitposting images, but go ahead and pretend only the latter is what ruins threads.

>>14170277
>Picks one point as opposed to all the others
>Trying to argue that a Seiko 5 isn't a shitter
We aren't talking about Grand Seiko or even higher end Seikos, we're talking Seiko 5.

>>14170277
>Pateks don't hack
I just discovered this today. Why?

have the chinese mogged us?

>>14170108
memes aside I've been wondering this too

What's a decent mechanical chrono?

All I can think of is MAN ON THE PHUCKING MOOON.

>>14170303
seagull 1963 for anything up to 6 times its price at least

Seagull clones ETA movements. Fuck them.

What’s the best vintage diver I could get on eBay for about 600-800€?
Bonus points if somewhat iconic and below 39mm case diameter.
I’ve been thinking about saving much more and getting the 36mm Longines Legend diver.

>>14170303
Get a Poljot 3133 chronograph.

>>14170316
Such a great watch. Keep saving for the longines.

>>14168929

>>14170305
Can most watchmakers service it? Kinda want one but I know nothing about servicing watches.

>>14170354
Cloned ETA movement, so sure.

>>14170305
>>14170357
Is there a recommended seller or something? There are several options based on google.

ABSOLUTELY BASED ARCHIE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKwbmy6twjc

>>14170353
It's like they assembled it in the dark.
How can you people wear these things??

>>14170310
it's disingenuous calling it a clone, they own the actual Venus 175 machines

>>14170367
HKED is the best

>>14166163
>>14166172
For real why would anyone get PP over ALS? ALS makes PP look like Rolex.

>>14170354
It's not the cheapest, but yeah they can. It's an old swiss movement the chinks modified slightly

>>14169146
I'm a disgusting prick. I don't shower regularly. I don't take care of myself or the shit I wear. I have a casio I wear every single day even in bed and the shower that I take once a month. I haven't had the strap even remotely deteriorate. How the FUCK did you manage to fuck yours up so easily?

>>14168929

>>14170372
I get his point and see where he is coming from, but his broke ass has this assumption that everyone wants to buy luxury watches. If /wt/ has proven anything it’s that there’s a large number of people that are happy to keep their budget under 1k.

>>14170397
Why would you want to scratch your nice watch with that gay jewellery on the left?

>>14168929
This watch is really growing on me. I didn’t really like it or wear it much before but now I have less watches I’m appreciating it way more.
The paradox of choice, eh?

>>14170441
>watch on right hand.
>It's a s*iko
Yikes.

>>14170445
>>It's a s*iko

>>14170450

>>14170450
>ashtray watch

>>14170455
Really separates the girly wristlets from the men.

>>14170450
They're rereleasing the model this year. It's 48mm though.

>>14170450
>b class action flick 'actor' wore a s*iko in that one film
What exactly are you trying to say here?

>>14170458
The 300m Tunas are 48mm too, and they wear just fine.

>>14170458
Time to hit the gym anon.

>>14170460
>b class action flick 'actor'
lmao

>wore a s*iko in that one film
Wrong.

Schwarzenegger literally Black Nigger. JUST.

>>14170465
>>14170450
>ARNIE

>>14170469
Isn't he some liberal söy politician in California or something?

>>14170472
Yes

>>14170469
>>14170472
>>14170475
Cope with the fact that Arnold starred in the two very best action movies ever made: Predator and T2.

>>14170477
What is it with you Amerimutts and your obsession with films? Inb4 Bond. Bond obsession is söy too.

>>14170479
What obsession? They're just fun.

>>14170458
>48mm
Guys let the legumeboys go out and get this. I want to have my fun watching a bunch of wristlets have these dangle from their dyel arms.

>>14170479
>>14170397 not pictured is my martini, shaken not stirred.

Oh, and the 10/10 I’m banging. But whatever, just larping lol.

>>14170477
>the two very best action movies ever made: Predator and T2

>>14170481
>>14170484
The watches are fine but justifying a watch because so and so wore it in a film is cringe, extra cringe is when you use that film as an excuse you get made fun of.

>>14170482
Picrel is 48mm.

>>14170477
>>14170465
>>14170450
>I justify my purchase by the fact that some famous person wore the watch in some movie and so I feel badass and JUST like my favorite roided out monster Arnold.
*SNAP*

>>14170487
>>14170489
Remind me anons, what's the nickname for pic related?

>>14170488
What’s your wrist size, assuming that’s you? You don’t look like a wristlet unlike half of the posters I see on /wt/

>>14170495
Around 7" at the thinnest point.

>>14170493
Paul Newhalf

>>14170493
Pretty sure that's the Rolex Daytona. I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Is this how s*iko shitters cope?

>>14170497
Given that a lot of people on here seem to have sub 6.5 wrists I think I’ll still have my fun.

>>14170499
>Pretty sure that's the Rolex Daytona
That's not its nickname.
Try again, harder. More intensity.

>>14170504
Suck my cock, harder, more intensity.

>>14170441
Indeed, I've got a lot of watches but I only really appreciate any of them if I wear just one for several days, it's gonna sound stupid but I guess I form a kind of bond with it. I don't really feel that when I heavily rotate and only wear a watch for one day then again a couple of weeks later.

>>14170507
Here come the homosexual tendencies.

>>14170512
Funny coming from a s*iko owner.

>>14170516

>>14170390
>muh holy trinity
>muh heritage

>>14170489
Yeah, it's not like the auction price of a Rolex Daytona owned by an actor was bid up to $17.8 million dollars, or that a square chronograph became famous because entirely because another actor wore them, or that a Swiss watch conglomerate paid big bucks to be the watch of a fictional spy to appeal to boomers, no, this is definitely a new phenomena that doesn't occur up to the most expensive reaches of watch collecting.

Oh wait.

>>14170548
the difference is that you take that hype away and you're still left with a decent watch

>>14170548
Completely forgot about the Daytona but: >>14170479

>>14170554
>Paying $17.75million just for the hype

if you have an "affordable" watch, kys

>>14170267
I got a seiko just because it's the best bang for buck watch in existence

>>14170554
>Daytona
>decent watch
It was a turd. A Speedmaster wannabe, but worse.
Nasa chose the Speedmaster over Rolex' Cosmograph, so Rolex quickly rebranded the watch to 'Daytona'.
It was unsurprisingly a sales disaster until Newman started wearing it.

>>14170558
To be honest that's true for all rolex watches. They're good watches but ultimately people pay for the brand. I paid close to $1000 for a 1980 oysterdate and I didn't regret it at all. Got tons of compliments for it.
But I gotta say screwdown crown + handwinding only movement is not an ideal combination.

>>14170566
>talks about Rolex
>'It was a turd.'
s*iko owner cope

>>14169686
>Bauhaus

It's the worst, laziest and most disgusting trend. Same for watches that are marketed as minimalistic. Designing a dial for them is cheap and since nobody has a clue anyway, you can label basically everything as bauhaus or minimalistic.
Nomos is an ugly piece of shit and has the worst case of lug overhang.
Hope that some other artstyles come back, art-deco looks neat, imo.

>>14170566
wow bro your not unique or different. daytona has been hailed throughout history as an amazing watch by people who i'd believe far before some teenager on the internet

>>14170575
Some of the best lamps ever made came out of Bauhaus.

>>14170577
>daytona has been hailed throughout history as an amazing watch
In what way?

Anyone got turned off by omega because of their marketing? I want a speedy so bad but can't help but think that a huge chunk of the money that I'll pay goes into their marketing budget, and not manufacturing, research etc. Paying bond, NASA, and all those celebrities can't be cheal.

>>14170591
>but can't help but think that a huge chunk of the money that I'll pay goes into their marketing budget, and not manufacturing, research etc
I feel the same way, and also about the nice box Omegas come in.

>>14170591
Just means you have to stick to brands that focus more on manufacturing than marketing. There are still a few out there.

>>14170591
yup

Even Daniel Craig won't wear Omegas outside the movies. He'll wear vintage Rolex to premiers even.

>>14170570
>>14170577
Maybe you two should try learning something about how poorly Daytonas sold and how unwanted they were on the used market until the Paul Newman hype train started to pick up steam, instead of mindlessly shitposting.

>>14170445
(You)

>>14170511
This is why I’m aiming for a two or three watch collection. Each with specific purposes.

>>14170591
Omega do whore their shit out way too much. Is there any special edition speedmaster that they'd say "no" to?

>>14170372
Nice one arch, shitting all over tristano. Hope they continue their youtube beef until somebody proposes a boxing match.
>>14170399
Archie lives in a delusion, clinging to better times from his past. It's quite sad to see how he refuses dealing with his current problems, spiralling furthermore into depression.
He behaves like a junkie but with watches instead of drugs.
Expensive watches are silly anyway, even if i had money, i'd still feel retarded, overpaying for modern rolexes. Imo, the vintage ones looked better, but thanks to other retards that stuff also costs way more than it should. Here's the rolex that showed me how much more interesting the older ones were, just look at it. The california dial is not ideal, but just the case and bracelet alone are so much nicer to look at than the boring, modern crap.

>>14170591
I find it really cheapens the brand and makes them look unconfident.
I’ve owned two and sold them both since. Money would be better spent on Rolex or Grand Seiko.

>>14170638
California dial that gave birth to the Turn-o-graph and became the Submariner as we know it today.

This is my favourite omega limited edition.

>>14170580
Nothing that came out of bauhaus is the best in anything. This (((artstyle))) is as pozzed as the leftie assholes that made it popular. Bauhaus is for people with no taste that want to pretend to have taste and bauhaus is just a safe bet, it does not offend other normies. Unironically a style for NPC's.

>>14170655
What is an npc?

>>14170657
Someone who basses their opinions entirely on tribal identification rituals, like that brainless dumbfuck >>14170655

>>14170657
In the latest incarnation of the meme it began as a person who lacks an inner monologue. For some reason it quickly changed to people who are "programmed" by the institutions, the media etc.

>>14170657
Basically a bugman who consumes "content".

>>14170648
Some older subs are fine, this one for example
>no date
>pre maxi case
>pre maxi dial
>no chrome around indices
>domed crystal
>well proportioned due to smaller size
Looks really neat. Maybe i hate modern ones just because of overexposure and the countless homages tho.
>>14170657
The others said it pretty well. It's basically a dehumanizing meme, describing people that go through life without thinking, blindly following and consuming whatever they see in ads. The perfect sheep.

>>14170678
Forgot pic

New thread:

>>14170673
>>14170673
>>14170673

>>14170686
>hurr I'll start another thread early durr
You're a faggot and nobody likes you

>>14170580
Chronic depression: the lamp.

>>14170678
The dehumanizing aspect of the meme is incidental. The core of it was to spread awareness that 80% of people don't have an inner voice. Many people who DO have one found that information shocking as they'd just assumed everyone had it.

>>14170698
This.

>>14170125
>Do you also happen to wear a fedora daily?
Only part-time.

>>14170280
Lurk more. There was a time when the information itself was the discussion point, not the method of transmission. You'll get used to it.

>>14170298
No, they've just shown normies that producing a tourbillon is no where near as difficult as the reputation states. It's a useless complication anyway in a watch, but no one wants you to know that.

>>14170354
Yes; it's a Venus 175 movement, which is exceedingly common in 1960's chronographs from different companies. It is not a cloned ETA movement as >>14170357 states.

>>14170367
I picked up mine from watchunique (which is based in the Netherlands I think). HKED has a store now: https://www.hkedwatches.com/collections/1963-38mm.. His reputation is sterling, and he offers different combinations of faces and colours and shit.

>>14170591
Not turned off, but cognoscente of it. Understand that they're trying to sell something that is useless in the modern world, to a society that is trending in the direction of less conspicuous wealth (compared with the 80s), to a middle class that is shrinking economically. Omega HAS to do this. That's why vintage is the way to go if you're going to get one right now. Get a Speedy from the 1980's or 90's. It's the same movement, same design, and only the lume might be a problem. It'll be closer to a normal price for the watch, and it'll perform well after a servicing.

>>14170731
M’tourbillon

>>14170589
>durrrr

>>14170731
>12-6-9 subregister layout
DDDDDDDDDDRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOPPED

I hate everyone arguing about luxury watch brands but don't own any luxury watches

>>14170746
Didn't think so.

>>14170739
I seriously considered getting one just to test the performance and to have one in the stable. But then I figured, what's the point? I have enough watches that tell the time...

>>14170747
lol I agree aesthetically that the 3-6-9 register is more classic/beautiful/balanced, etc., but the 6-9-12 is very common (you'll see it in the Valjoux 7750 watches, which are everywhere).

>>14170751
Well, it's a discussion point, like fine automobiles or expensive clothing. I'd say the greatest benefit is that people can at least learn something before they think about purchase. For a lot of people, their first mechanical watch comes with a lot of unknowns that they find out as soon as they buy it ('why isn't it keeping time as well as my quartz?' 'why do I need to pay for servicing? It's so expensive...' 'If I turn the crown the wrong way, will it break?' etc.). At least this way some people might find info and know what they're getting into.

The watch world is full of illusion. Celebs wear them, rich people wear them, and there's a lot of social stress associated with walking into a watch store for the first time. The luxury item comes with a lot of behavioral baggage, in other words. But that's the illusion; it's not really worth the money, not if you break it down part by part and process by process.

But then again, people like intricate things that are difficult to make that do precise things that happen to be aesthetically pleasing. Such is life.

>>14170591
heaven forbid a watch brand actually market themselves

>>14170760
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hylabauer/2017/10/26/paul-newmans-paul-newman-daytona-sells-for-15-5-million-a-record-for-a-wristwatch-at-auction/#113bd2335313

>durrr heuheuheueu

>>14170766
>ask for reasons why the Daytona is "amazing" outside of the Newman connection
>posts an article with a headline that says "Paul Newman" twice

Take this all to the new thread

>>14170673

>>14170766
>muh paul newman
>others paid a lot for his watch thus all daytonas are great

It's a piece of hyped trash for bugmen like you. Go get yourself some cool söydrink and and piss back off to leddit.

>>14170770
>>14170777
>hurrr euheuheuheu

>>14170698
This is mine.

>>14170785
Lol, mad. GG EZ

>>14168641
Nice to see fellow skx brethern. I have a job interview at their boutique tomorrow! Bought a tailored suit and new shoes last week, but I've owned this watch since I visited Japan last summer.