/fa/ - Fashion

Do you guys like blued hands or would you rather have regular polished/painted hands?

They are hard to photograph I don't know why

>>14106917
They do come out as black in some lights

>>14106870
Thermally blued hands are GOAT

Blued hands really enhances a watch's appeal. What do you guys think of this new Santos? I'm a bit iffy with the new bezel flowing into the end link area. There's only so much you can do with the Santos design though.

Blued hands really enhances a watch's appeal. What do you guys think of this new Santos? I'm a bit iffy with the new bezel flowing into the end link area. There's only so much you can do with the Santos design though.

https://youtu.be/NhjiIPohUyw

>>14106909
How does that work as a rotor? Obviously a standard rotor works through the weight shifting as the watch moves but how does that wind the main spring?

>>14106984
Not him but here's my assumption. It appears that the rotor rotates the same way but instead of it winding at the centre, it winds on the blue area. The rotor may also possibly be on a track for stability.

>>14106955
Bezel/endlink design here feels like the correct nod to the tradition of the piece.

But not everyone can pull off a Santos without looking cringe.

>>14106796
Been over an hour.

Thoughts on field watches?

Stowa Saturdays
Sinn Sundays
M
Tudor Tuesdays
Waltham Wednesdays
Timex Thursdays
F.P.Journe Fridays

>>14107079
Majestic Seiko Monday’s.
Fixed it for you since you blanked.

>>14107079
Moser Mondays
>>14107086
Forced and yikes.

>>14107108
>”yikes”

>>14107054

>>14107108
>Down
>Up
What's wrong with hi/low?

>>14107108
Or Montblanc Mondays

>>14107118
Cmon bro. Can’t even line up the bezel for us?
Nice tuna.

>>14107118
You look fat. The state of /wt/.

>>14107128
Bro forget body fat, check out some of the fuckin ego’s on these people.
Would rather talk about watches with a normie fat hobo than an American psycho on steroids.

>>14107118
Tesla and a Seiko. Truly a söyed-up bugman.

>>14107118

>>14107120
If those Mont Blancs with the Minerva movements said "Minerva" on the dial like they should, they would be endgame pieces.

>>14107128
I'm 6'3 and 205 lbs of /fit/.

>>14107139
Fucking dead. Lmao

>>14107138
I have a v8 pickup too.

>>14107147
Forgot pic.

>>14107147
Post selfie while flexing, wearing the tuna, in front of the Tesla.

>>14106984
This >>14107002 is pretty much it.

>>14107156
+ daughter’s feet pic.

>>14107168
No, that’s just creepy.

>>14107118
when are you trading that pos in for a model 3?

>>14107170
We need proof of daughter senpai

so sexy

>>14107179
That’s a nice moon watch.

>>14107002
Ah, that makes sense. Can see why that design wasn't popular since it presumably is less efficient than a standard rotor as the distance between the force and the axis is shorter.

>>14107173
The Model 3 is what cucks drive.

>>14107179

>>14107151
David’s seems to care a lot about Minerva and is careful about preserving it. It’s still very much a Minerva at heart with a Montblanc touch.

>>14107190
You what mate?

>>14107192
model x in pic makes that opinion invalid

Just re-watched Band Of Brothers.

Now I want an A-11. Fuck.

>>14107195
Davide*

>>14107197
The X hauls ass like nothing I've ever driven.
Sticks to the road too with that godlike center of gravity.

>>14107086
>>14107108

I didn't blank.

On Mondays we rest and focus on what matters in life.

>>14107204
Is your wife Asian? Will you give your daughter a Grand Seiko at 12 ala Archibald?

>>14107212
And that is? I think about killing myself nightly

>>14107215
>And that is?

Nato straps

>>14107213
Blue-eyed blonde, like our little girl.

>>14107219
That’s a lot of fucked up casebacks. Welcome to scratch city.

>>14107151
Just look at the size of that balance wheel.

>>14107123
Gave it a spin just for the pic.
And thanks.

>>14107151
I have a Montblanc boutique where I live and they never ever stock any Minerva's. Fuck knows where they sell them.

>>14107241
the jewel setting on top looks like a surprised bear

>>14107267
Maybe they sell out right away.
That green one was a hot seller iirc.

>>14107269
As if I needed any more reason to want one of these.

How hard is it to service a movement yourself with nothing but internet training and the right tools?

>>14107349
Do it. Post pics.

>At high end mall browsing through the perfume section and smelling fragrances
>Lay both of my arms on the table, amazed at how amazing this one fragrance smells
>Boomer gets close to me, trying to look but I blocking anyone from viewing the perfumes that are in the table
>"excuse me sir"
>grabs a bottle from the table
>boomer is wearing a rolex submariner

I quickly step back and stare at his arm. Jesus, this watch is a beauty.

>>14107421
subs are for poor people

>>14107421
That’s one of the gayest stories I’ve ever read.
And I used to have to spellcheck get porn subtitles.
>perfume/layed both arms on counter/block whole counter so I have perfume all to myself”
Bro....what.

>>14107447
lmao good one dude

Stretchy expanding bands will make a comeback. I'm calling it now

Who else here presage?

>>14107451

*eats your arm hair*

Finally a watch flat enough for the 4chan crowd

>>14107451
Once I realized they don't have elastic or anything like that in them I thought they were pretty cool. Its one of the more complicated bracelet designs but its also seen as cheap

>>14107458
Présage here

What's your favorite Vostok watch?

>>14107458
that's a big power gauge

what's /wt/'s opinion on replicas?

>>14107451
The question is, who makes the best one? Surely someone tackled the hair bite problem.

>>14107634

It's a low opinion. You are 100% funding international crime cartels when you buy fakes.

>>14107572
Very nice
>>14107615
Yeah, It's the only thing I don't really like. At least the reserve hand looks good.

>>14107634
You mean illegal fakes. Only idiots with low self-esteem or vain morons would wear them.

>>14107179
just bought one yesterday, but with the white dial and orange second hand

>>14107648
Let me see, let me see!!!

>>14107660
hasn't come in yet, I'll post a picture when it arrives

>>14107226
nato straps scratch the caseback?

Asking again, what's the best Vostok watch?

>>14107674
Yes, it’s even worse if dirt/dust/sand gets in there as well, the nato basically acts as sand paper grinding that into your watches caseback.
Google “nato rash”.

>>14107800
It’s P U R E C L A S S when people get expensive watches like a fucking hublot and immediately throw it on a .50 cent nylon strap from cheapnatostraps.fuckmyshitup

>>14107800
oh shit didnt know that. im about to get a eulit perlon for my snk809, I hope it doesn't leave scratches on the exhibition back. not sure if it;s saphire or what

>>14107800
Would leather nato still scratch? I think yes but I'm not sure.

Just this in my recommended videos on youtube. I remember seeing another microbrand like this that also was rather cheap and also gave the impression of quality, insofar as you can get an impression through video. Anyone have examples of this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyxVZunyKXU

>>14107839
I ordered an snk809 today and I didn't know it either. Haven't ordered a nato strap but it's good to know in case I don't like the strap it comes with. Was also thinking about buying a Vostok Amphibia that comes on a bracelet and I would probably have bought a nato for it, like on Meranom you can get one for $10 when you buy the watch. But I might not do that after reading this. However I'll wait for my snk809 and try that before I even buy any more mechanicals, because maybe I don't like mechanicals.

>>14107846
*just saw this

Apparently going to be on Kickstarter in March. I'm not familiar with Kickstarter, although I've heard the name. What is it and how does it work?

>>14107857
forgot to say I was talking about the watch here
>>14107846

What do you fellas think of raketa koperniks? Been looking for one for a while and I found some I think are decent deals, only catch is the dial has been changed from the original, is that a hang up?
Also, since when gmdoes /g/ not have a /wt/? Been a while since I was looking for a watch and was surprised I had to come here instead
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F264171440002

>>14107866
pretty effay as far as aesthetics go

>>14107839
If the strap you are getting is soft then you shouldn’t have to worry too much unless dirt/debris gets in between the strap and the watch.
If the strap is stiff when you first get it you can always throw it in the washing machine to soften it up.
Mineral display backs can be scratched easier than sapphire ones but the cleaner/softer the strap you shouldn’t have to worry to much.
>>14107840
Leather isn’t as bad as nylon. If you look online a lot of people have said they haven’t had any problems with their soft leather nato’s.
I would just make sure to keep it clean.

why cant quartz fags accept that mechanical watches are akin to climbing a mountain. there's no point to doing it other than appreciating it having been done.

>>14107966
yikes

anyone here own a Vostok watch? thoughts on them?

>>14107634
Some are really good. Don't mind the idiots butthurt that 99.99% of the population can't tell their $7K gen from a $450 rep.

Can someone point me to a brand that builds watches similar to this Junghans but for under 600$ if possible?
(Most important points are: curved plexiglass, black dial, or nice dial at least, rather thin, this bahaus style, could be quartz I don't care for automatics)

>>14108030
Junkers
https://www.longislandwatch.com/Junkers_German_Made_Watches_s/1825.htm

>>14107857
people pledge money, with higher pledges getting them a higher tier reward. for these things, it often gets you the watch plus extras for higher pledges
if it doesn't reach the pledge goal in time, everyone gets their money refunded.

>>14108030
I've got a Junkers I like quite a lot

Check out my weird watch build.
Thinking of moving to a rubber strap though.

What is the lowest price for a watch that is 100% made in Western Europe or USA/Canada? Too many of these brands are sourcing parts from China and Malaysia etc...

Picked this up in Italy this summer.

>>14106870

Depends on the watch.

>>14107458

Bagel today

>>14107615
4U

Why are there no Grand Seiko fakes/replicas?

>>14108245
I'm sure you could find them if you really wanted. But who cares, fakes are heinous shit.

>>14108245
Because the defining characteristics of Grand Seiko are extremely high quality of execution.
A fake would at best look like a Sarb, so there is no way a fake GS could ever be halfway believable.

>>14108272
Either that or nobody would even want a real one so a fake would be pointless

>>14108281
Yes anon, nobody wants to buy Grand Seiko. You got it.

>>14107147
Unironically post routine please

>>14108030
If you look hard enough you can find the Junghans Max Bill quartz in your budget, I know I just stumbled across it the other day

Stop posting your seikno garbage and other weeb brands

>>14107572
I feel uncomfortable watching this

>>14108030
Just look Junghans up on ebay, the quartz models are going for $400 there and one of the autos is on sale for $659

>bought a steinshit OVM years ago because it used to be in a chart on /wt/
>realized later that steinhart is shit
>sold it to a friend because he likes it a lot and also because I'm embarrassed to wear a steinhart
But now I see him wear it everyday I kinda want it back. Wtf is wrong with me I feel cucked.

>>14108409
>wtf is wrong with me?
You're letting /wt/ dictate your taste i watches instead of developing your own tastes.

Reply to this post with the only acceptable brands to wear, separating quartz and mechanical

>>14108424

>>14107635
Speidel seems like the go-to option

Still kinda sick, can only enjoy good value horology indoors.

>>14108146
There's no such thing. Even Rowelecks uses parts from China.

>>14108544
There is no way that f.p journe uses parts from some 2nd/3rd world country

>>14108338
Used to do high volume, high intensity push/pull (all comound lifts) with a heavy bulk (weighed 230lbs/105kg at one point), then switched to 5/3/1 when I plateau'd.
Then I cut to built ottermode and now I do relatively light compounds.

>>14108564
They ordered tantalum from central africa

>>14108569
Which PPL did you do? Also, how tall are you and how much do you weigh now?

>>14108570
Elements dont matter. Any refined part or material matters

>>14107634
If someone can make a convincing fake for cheap, it has the same hardness, and it has the same water resist or better, then that watch wasn't anything special to begin with. At that point all that's left is the movement, and if there's no case back or it uses a very common movement then why don't those guys just make homages instead, they must be alright

>>14108577
Lift days were Mon-Wed-Fri, alternating 2 daily regimens:
Day 1: bench-squat-pendlay rows
Day 2: deadlifts-weighted chinups-overhead press

My squat and bench numbers were shit because of my long limbs or something, but I was doing 75kg x 5 on OHP, and 5 x chinups with 30kg in a backpack (at 105kg bodyweight).

I'm 6'3" (191 cm) and 105lb (92kg) now.

>>14108606
So basically a Greyskull LP?
I'm just like you in terms of height and weight, but I just started lifting on SS, can you post body or is it too much to ask? I wanna see what I can maybe look like

What is up /wtg/
It's flannel season here in Hungary.

Sunday wrist check

>>14107118
Nice tuna.

>>14108626
Fuck that's nice. How much did you pay for it anon if you don't mind me asking?

>>14108658

>>14108626
What's the story with that day wheel? I've only ever seen Seiko day wheels with the standard sans serif.

>>14107795
Komandirski

>>14108611
No idea what Greyskull LP is.
I tweaked a generic push-pull to where it made a little more sense, but this was in 2011.
I did use SS for learning form.

My advice: take it real slow. It took me a looooong time before I could squat with decent form.
Also: don't overdo it. I used to lift heavy and at high volume three times a week, and felt like shit on rest days because I felt like I was missing out.
But as it turns out that shit is a meme. I once didn't bench for over a month and then the very first session beat my previous plateau by two reps.
Now I do a heavy lift maybe once or twice a week just to stay in shape.
Here's a quick pic on the way to the shower.

>>14108716
I'll take your advice because of your exceptional taste in watches brother. Thanks.

Am I fucking retarded for even considering buying a 400$ quartz watch? Model number is SACM171. 33.5mm diameter with 5.5mm thickness.

>>14107795

>>14108679
>How much
1200yen, it was in pretty bad shape tho but just bought another one with the same caliber, different case&dial, for 1100yen.
These QZ, QT, QR ones were pretty high end shitters back then too.
>>14108686
It has two different fonts plus kanjis, pic related. See, this is luxury, you have the options and shit

For more details >>>discord

>>14108699
Why the Komandirski? And why does that have the red dots on the left side, not the right side like all other watches?
>>14108749
model number?

>>14108731
I about to buy a quartz for a lot more than that so, no, you are okay.

>>14108768
Model number? I'm kinda tired of resetting my watches after a few days.

>>14108776
>Model number?
Won't tell you kek, it's a gs tho. But for 4hunna you could get a credor with 8j81 and all around better finishing and same slim formfactor.

For more details and help >>>discord

>>14108765
Bezel is just rotated.
>model number
1967 190B03
>>14108731
No, you're just brainwashed by muh mechanical crowd into believing quartz bad.

>>14108785
>credor
googled it, is that fucking arabic on the dial?

>>14108793
>Bezel is just rotated.
No, I've looked at Komandirski online and the biggest red dot has all the other red dots to the left of it, not to the right of it like other watches.

>>14108801
yeah mate but you're going off the same red dot as the reference point, imagine the one at 8 sitting at 12

>>14108802
ok but then why is the one at 12 bigger?

>>14108731
Yes, you are for even considering buying a 400$ quartz AND Seiko watch. Be a man, go mechanical.

>>14108799
The Japs have a monopoly on shit watches, Seiko owns Credor and Orient. Aside from Citizen the rest is mostly-digital shitters like Casio.

>>14108785
Thanks for letting me know anon. I only know credor eichii 1 & 2 so I'm surprised they used to make cheaper stuff.

>>14108807
>The Japs have a monopoly on shit watches, Seiko owns Credor and Orient. Aside from Citizen the rest is mostly-digital shitters like Casio.
You didn't answer, is it arabic?

>>14108409
Don’t buy watches that other people like, only buy watches that you like.

>>14108146
Timex.

>>14108818
You picked some random model and ask questions without posting a picture you absolute mong?

>>14108731
No you are not, that watch looks nice.

>>14108272
Delusional. By your logic all replica watches wouldn’t exist at all. The real reason there’s no Grand Seiko fakes is firstly, it’s a Seiko, and secondly there’s little to no demand at all.

Here’s a replica of a 120k$ Roger Dubuis that the Chinese reverse engineered. There’s some flaw on the circular frame being smaller on the replica but this is what the Chinese can achieve and you’re telling me they won’t do a Grand Seiko because they can’t copy it? Just lol.

>>14108825
Literally like half the images of credor watches there is that sign either on the dial or on the back, dumbass. Plus just as many have a moon shape on the second hand. The moon is a common muslim symbol. I'm not buying some fucking arab muslim watch.

>>14108855
Don’t buy a Japanese watch at all brother. Buy European.

>>14108801
It's to warn you that you've reached your last 15 minutes of dive time.

>>14108424
Rolex
A. Lange & Sohne

>>14108424
Only list you need.

>>14108862
that's not how it works according to Mark on long island watch

>>14108855
absolutely based

>>14108855
Nice inverted cross too. Disgusting watch.

>>14108849
Now dont get me wrong, I love my swiss mechanical watch and think it was good value for the accuracy and finishing. I also think fakes are shit......but..

Can someone tell me why the swiss keep torbillions in the >50k range when the chinese can bash them out for $500. Surely by now they could put them in 5-10k watches?

>>14108855
Fuck that watch, fuck Credor, Seiko in general.

>>14108886
>Historic maisons
>TAG

>>14108907
Because those chink fakes are either not real tourbillions or just something that looks like one. A real HH tourbillion can be over 100 parts by itself all hand finished whilst still retaining accuracy. I think the cheapest real tourbillion watch is around $20k iirc.

But yeah they are still overpriced and exist to extract more money from the ultra rich.

>>14108907
That's an 800$ replica. It's easy to churn them out when you're using slaves in hazardous factories to build stolen designs.

The Europeans on the other hand have to shoulder the research & development costs of tourbillons, pay their workers properly and ensure their manufactures are safe. Another reason is, if you're buying a tourbillon, it's definitely going to be an in-house design, so imagine all these brands trying to design and patent, compete with other brands all for some undiscernible, marginal gain in accuracy and spending millions in development and production just to compete with a competitors 5k tourbillon.

>>14108907
>Can someone tell me why the swiss keep torbillions in the >50k range
The same reason why all Swiss watches are hilariously overpriced; they know rich fucks will buy 'em. Heck, something like your basic Rolex only costs ten bucks to make, yet they're sold for several grand a pop.

>>14108965
Post your collection.

>>14108965
Pretty grand statement right there bud. Why aren't you making Rolexes for 10$? Surely you'll be a millionaire, heck a billionaire by know with all your knowledge in manufacturing and watchmaking.

>>14108886
>£3K with quartz movement

>>14108658
Just sitting with my shitter.

>>14108965
Pretty grand statement right there bud. Why aren't you making Rolexes for 10$? Surely you'll be a millionaire, heck a billionaire by now with all your knowledge in manufacturing and watchmaking.

>>14108907
>Can someone tell me why the swiss keep torbillions in the >50k
Because they don't make cheap ones.

>>14109011
That’s a nice watch. Always wanted to get a Bulova with the sweeping seconds hand.

>>14107972
>yikes
yikes

>>14109011
You shit with your trousers on?

>>14108907
Simple answer is because they are not mass-produced.
No mass production means production isn’t fully automated. All those parts for it are specially made in small quantities. It’s cheaper to make large quantities of something than it is to make small quantities.

Is sakurawatches.com legit?

>>14109014
>Why aren't you making Rolexes for 10$?

Because the Chinese are already doing it.

>>14109032
I like it a lot. It's definitely bigger than I generally like but the case shape and recessed crown help it feel slightly smaller.

>>14109038
What is reading comprehension?

>>14109066
Rolex’s cost per watch ranges from 300-800$. Goes to show that good marketing really pays off.

>>14109066
Sure buddy, sure.

>>14108887
Why don't you enlighten us as to what a watch salesman thinks?

>>14108922
Sea-gull make a tourbillon watch for around $1k.

>>14108849
>Delusional. By your logic all replica watches wouldn’t exist at all.
If you entirely ignore the fact that Grand Seiko's finishing is taken to the extreme.
Unless the Chinese themselves start tin plate polishing their cases by hand with the same expertise as GS, the fact that they're replicas will be EXTREMELY obvious if not from the polishing flaws, then from the almost just as obvious case line flaws.

>Here’s a replica of a 120k$ Roger Dubuis that the Chinese reverse engineered.
Skeletonization is something that's very easy to make look good from a foot away. The Chinese are shitting out $5 skeletonized watches.
With relatively large and straight surfaces like GS cases and indices, flaws and inferior polishing will be immediately apparent.

>>14108858
Pic related would be "easy" to fake as well.
Doesn't mean that dial is not a work of art with oodles of craftsmanship.

>>14109098
He said in a video that the diver bezel isn't used to tell you how much time you have left in the water, because that depends on a variety of factors such as your fitness level, the pressure gauge on the air tank is used for that. You said the big red dot is used for count down purposes, that contradicts what he said. Don't think Komandirski is a dive watch anyway, is it? Neither perhaps Amphibia due to the bidirectional bezel. But I'm not much of a fan of him or his videos, when he's always praising every watch.

I envy Anon so much for pulling the trigger on this watch. I look forward to see it on his hand. God damn, these watches are beautiful and cool at the same time.

>>14109133
True dat
For me it would be this one

Or maybe this

>>14109137
>>14109153
They are gorgeous, for me it would either be the black or the blue 38mm, here as shown in the picture - the black dial.

>>14109133
>>14109137
>>14109153
>>14109167
These look fun, classy, and high quality.

>>14109125
Komandirskie isn't a dive watch, the dots and dashes bezel is from the Amphibia though.

Mark is chatting shit, that's exactly what a dive bezel is used for. Although you still haven't said what he thinks it's for.

>>14109133
>>14109137
>>14109153
>>14109167
>>14109171
The absolute samefaggory

>>14109137
>>14109153
I bet these will be popular. They are really good watches and blue dials are in.

WHO /QIB/ HERE?

HALALPOSTER REPLIES ONLY

>>14109176
Nice try, but wrong.

>>14109178
Yeah. They are also extremely well finished.
>teak pattern
>sunburst
>grained
>polished
>bead blasted
>colors shifting with light

>>14109176
The last one is me, and I was being unironic.
I'd probably want an SBGV245 over those Omegas (they're kind of similar in style), but those Omegas are still pretty cool.

>>14109204
Not to mention top tier movement.

>>14109204
SBGV245 is great too, kinda similar in style I guess but yours is quartz if I'm not mistaken?

>>14109232
That one's quartz yes.
Kind of fits the casual+fun+sort of classy anyway category a little better for me, since I'll be less worried about bumping it around.

>>14108626
Milyen szerkezet?

>>14109193
How can muslims always pray towards mecca when the earth is ball
Shouldn't they bow angled towards the ground in most cases?

>>14109062
idk but sakura sena was legit

>>14109290
0923 suwa. Jópofa történt, a halálból hoztam vissza.

Thoughts on the Marathon Navigator?

Luma Luma Luma!!!

>>14109320
Gesundheit.

>>14109346
Looks fucking ugly

>>14109296
...

Well, yeah. Duh.

>>14108232
where do you buy these?

>>14107179
>>14107193
They look horrendously poorly finished in real life, the hands look like they belong on some sub $100 shitter. Also their styling will go out of date very quickly. Just save a little more and buy your perfect datejust.

>>14109195


>>14109423
china

>>14109464
Not him but I've seen them under the loupe quite often and they are better finished than the datejust and also better than the OP.

>>14109482
Well then they've managed to finish something very well which still looks tacky and cheap as shit. Not only that but they change the design every second year which as I said will date the one you buy very quickly. They need to make the hands and hour markers look much better and settle on an iconic design they stick to. Until then it's a waste of money when you can buy a datejust.

>>14109490
The current DJs are just as niggerish.

>>14109494
You can still get a datejust in 36mm with very similar dials to what you could get across the watch's history, don't be so silly as to compare. The AT makes very regular major changes. Or if you're that desperate to buy a vintage one do that over an AT.

>>14109490
Well, I whether you think it's tacky or not is not my concern. Just saying, if nothing else the level of finish on those and the modern diver 300 is on par or even better than Rolex. Rolex need to step up their game because Omega is actively aiming to take the first position, hence their devotion in improving their products. I too prefer Rolex btw, because I'm traditional. But spending a very good amount of time with a loupe on rolexes and omegas I have come to the bitter conclusion that Rolex need to step up their game lest they eat the dust of Omega driving away.

Y'all need to lighten up.

>>14109506
I have to agree with this

>>14108409
Maybe because you're remembering the times you had with the watch. That's the ultimate value, btw...not the name on the face or the Geneva stripes, or even the look of admiration/disgust it might elicit from a complete stranger. All that matters is what you did while wearing the watch.

>>14109490
>Not only that but they change the design every second year
Although I too wish they would stick to a more timeless design.

>>14109511

>>14108907
To be clear, the cheapest Chinese tourbillon is around 1,000; Seagull uses that movement, but there are other Chinese makes that backpack it for varying costs.

You have to take into account the purpose of buying a mechanical watch. It's not for accuracy, it's for complexity of build and status. The tourbillon was invented with the intention to fix a problem of static positioning for pocket watches, and there is enough literature to suggest that it really doesn't work. To make matters worse, a wristwatch is almost always moving position, which makes a tourbillon utterly useless for its purpose.

So, having one in a watch is an unnecessary complication, usually requiring extra power (either two barrels or a superbarrel required) into the drivetrain and providing nothing in terms of increased accuracy. But, it is nice to look at (who doesn't like moving parts). Hence, the Swiss industry will produce them as a luxury on a luxury. They would NEVER put it into a watch in a 5-10k price range...it would break the illusion of its value (minus the finishing, of course).

Chinese tourbillons work in the same manner but are not finished to the same degree at all, and furthermore, their existence at such a low pricepoint proves the illusion of their worth.

>buy a new in box 2500 Tag for 1900
>think it's a decent buy
>get tired of it
>wanna sell it
>model fetches around 1400 on ebay

That's tits, what the fuck. There's plenty of demand but the deprecation is such a cunt that I don't want to sell at that price. What do I do with it?

>>14109567
>buying a tag
>expecting resale value
My condolences.

Why doesn't Rolex harden their cases like the other tool watch brands like Sinn and Damasko?

>>14109519
Not to mention that the Aqua Terra has like 15x the magnetism resistance of the Milgauss

>>14109567
> Tag
> but the deprecation
No shit sherlock. A new watch loses value on purchase directly proportional to demand for the brand. No one wants a Tag.

>>14109573
It was my first watch and of course a major mistake.

>>14109582
Not to mention that it's also half the price while being superior.

>>14109579
They are running on pure name at this point. They make nice stuff, but their watches lack any real innovation nowadays and their competition is better for the money.

>>14109567
Just don't lower the price, someone will buy it.

>>14109579
Probably because they want to keep using 914L steel. That and, unless I'm mistaken, sinn/damasko steel can only be bead blasted.

>>14109579
Hardened steel is more prone to hairline cracks

>>14109592
Well, you have two options:
>Keep it for sentimental reasons as well as a gentle reminder/warning of being careful what you purchase.

This is what I'd do, as long as it doesn't need servicing. Just polish it up a bit, put it in the box, and take it out once in a while and wear it for fun.

>Sell it, and take it as a warning for future purchases. Don't look back, and be careful of the 'seller's remorse' i.e. you might miss it a few years down the road and try to find it again, only to have lost it forever.

I would only do this with a watch that was ugly as shit.

>>14109599
This Anon>>14109586 is right I'm afraid. No one wants a Tag. No one will buy one for a high price.

>>14109602
Titanium watches with a hard covering can be given a shine.

>>14109612
If you're talking about diashield, sure. Pretty sure it isn't the same process that sinn or damasko uses to harden their steel though.

>>14109567

>>14109606
>I would only do this with a watch that was ugly as shit.

It's a three hand Carrera.

>>14109633
Jesus. Glad I didn't waste that much money on a fucking Tag.

>>14109606
>No one wants a Tag. No one will buy one for a high price.
Only true about autistic enthusiasts
Tags sell a hell of a lot, and you don't need to lower the price to a ridiculous low to sell them off either.

Listen pal, if you want to sell off your tag at 1400 just because retards in here says so be my guest, but I would set the price at 1900. It depends how well preserved it is of course.

>>14109633
Not seen that posted in a while, welcome back.

>>14109579
This might be a silly perspective, but I'll say it anyway. Why would it be necessary to harden the case of a watch in the manner that Sinn and Damasko do, at least, in terms of saying that Rolex's Steel (or anyone else's like Omega, Breitling, etc.) is not sufficiently strong? What precisely are you expecting a mechanical 'tool watch' to go through that wouldn't damage your wrist/hand beyond recognition?

I can understand wanting a watch to survive a fall to a tiled floor...this has damaged many a watch. But beyond this.....? Why does it matter?

If it's just about the bragging rights of having the strongest case, then Rolex probably wouldn't bother, same with Omega. Their interest appears to be along other vectors of research. In the same way that it could be argued that Damasko has no interest in classical aesthetics; one could ask, 'why can't they produce a beautiful watch?', and the answer would obviously be, 'it doesn't matter to them, it's not their selling point.' Just a thought.

>>14109639
Do you think it's ugly? If so, and if you'd never want to ever look at it again, then get rid of it. It's not going to appreciate in value (unless it's some outrageously rare piece that some odd collector will want to buy). Just make sure it's not something that has even a hint of sentimental value.

When I moved last time, I threw away my first tobacco pipe. It was a piece of shit, bought out of the barrel, and it was in horrible condition. No matter how I treated it, no matter what I threw at it, it still smoked on. I thought to myself, 'why would I want this piece of junk in the future?'. I miss it to this very day....because it was my first pipe. So, if you have no sentimental memories about this watch, make it gone. If you have a hint of it, keep it.

>>14109648
I would agree with you that it depends heavily on the market. What we've seen however is a trend towards extremely low end and extremely high end. cont.

>>14109633
Tag has one of the very best external finishing in its price range, and they use top graded ETAs (and now also in-house movements)
At least they've got that going for them.

>>14109650
No one else posted it while I was gone? This guy is the biggest faggot known to man

>>14109633
Bit of /wt/ nostalgia there, let's bring back vasectomy posting next

>>14109652
cont.

The economics is the problem. The normal customer who would be looking for the 1000-2000 price range is diminishing in numbers, which is one of the reasons why Omega has been pushing their ranges to higher price ends. It isn't just to compete with Rolex (either in truth or in perception), it's because the lower end market doesn't have enough customers to make it worth while. Last time I was here, someone was discussing how Seiko was getting rid of their low-end mechanicals for the same reason. Yes, there will always be a few Anons who want one, but the vast majority of the normal population either don't wear a watch, or do so for ironic counter-culture reasons. For those who like horology at that price, they buy vintage but good brands. The 90's are over, and with it the need for Tag. In some ways, I'm still amazed they still exist today (although the same could be said for Fortis, Blancpain, and all the rest).

>>14109652
Because it's a tool watch and what makes watches worth it is to see what the watchmaker can do, whether it's a new movement, some neat finishing, a unique design, or case hardening. Yeah, you can say no one should give a shit because you won't need it, but you could say the same about water resist or magnetism resistance, which Rolex does care about. Or even finished movements, which no one "needs". I don't get why people ask less of people who charge a lot for their goods. But maybe Rolex just isn't for me.

>>14109657

>>14106801
New thread:

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>>14109658
>vast majority of the normal population either don't wear a watch, or do so for ironic counter-culture reasons.
England must be a very different place to here

>>14109657

>>14109658
> someone was discussing how Seiko was getting rid of their low-end mechanicals
That may have been me. It's also why GS are pushing for higher prices. I wasn't aware Omega were too but it makes sense.

> normal customer who would be looking for the 1000-2000 price range is diminishing in numbers
Got any links to prove that? Not that I don't believe it but I'm interested in the economics.

Probably the only brand in that range I'd look at would be Nomos.

>>14109652
Hardening the steel makes it harder to scratch, same reason sapphire crystals are good.

>>14109675
> /g/
gl with that. thread pruning in 10 .. 9 .. 8 ...

>>14109605
Yeah right, you might as well say that sapphire gets scratches easier than acrylic.

>>14109669
Well, I don't mean it in terms of 'Rolex is King'. All I'm saying is that the question to me doesn't make much sense because it's like asking an apple why it's not a vegetable. Rolex appears to care about a few things specifically: heritage/luxury, reliability, brand recognition, exclusivity, and within all this a slow but regular increase in manufacturing standards across the board. Their case shape hasn't changed in decades (aside from the Maxi-case), their triplock crown hasn't changed much since inception....it seems that if it works, don't change it...just refine it.

The 'tool watch' issue is in my view one that is more concerned with the actual definition and how luxury watches fit into that category than anything else. A proper tool watch would be a digital one that could withstand the usual issues you see in the military. No mechanical is required for this purpose. Tool watches as mechanical devices, especially if not waterproof, are exercises in manufacturing excellence, as you've quite rightly described. But this is precisely why I don't agree with the necessity for Rolex or anyone else to necessarily follow this line. Let other houses focus on that. Let Lange focus on beauty of finishing in their movements, and Zenith in creating new oscillators, and Omega in attempting to up the universal standards of watch movement testing, etc.

>>14109676
It was, but I wasn't talking about England. You see more watches on peoples wrists in England than you do in the US or Canada.

>>14109678
The only numbers I've seen came from a colleague of mine who works for the Swatch group. I can't verify them, and obviously my word means nothing without evidence. But it does explain nearly every move that has been made since the economic downturn of 2009. Demographics are extremely important to understand spending habits; millenials aren't even buying diamonds anymore...

>>14109654
Here's something

>>14109692
I'm talking about denmark
watches everywhere here on people's wrists

>>14109692
> You see more watches on peoples wrists in England than you do in the US or Canada.
Can confirm, probably over 90% of people wear a watch in London.

California Bay area is a US exception, half of people there seem to wear an Apple Watch.

>>14109702
Ah, fair enough. I've never visited, but I knew a few Danish women in my life....very nice people.

North America's market has shown that watches aren't as important as digital tech (phones). Even bank people wear shitty quartzs that have large faces (think Fossil). It's sad, but understandable given the economy and need.

>>14109708
>death day
Those swiss are way ahead of us.

>>14109686
Hardened steel is abrasion resistant, not impact resistant. This is material science 101. They are good at resisting scratch, but not if you drop them.

Enjoy my tag. Paid 600 quid for it with the bracelet but swapped it out for an aftermarket leather band. Well finished for money if you buy used.

>>14109806
what an uninspired design

>>14109809
Not every watch can or needs to be a groundbreaking design. If it is nicely finished than who cares.

>>14109693
Wearing it right now. The curve of the strap makes it pretty comfy. Pretty good value for a $6 strap.

>>14109820
Croc-grain but proper leather no?

>>14109812
It doesn't have to be groundbreaking, but it doesn't have to look like a mall watch either.

>>14109819
wtf is that thing?

>>14109819
I really need to eat ass again.

>>14109819
Based
We need to bring back gf posting

>>14109838
I’ve been slacking in this regard too brother. I’ve a new piece coming soon but alas, she is not here to model it for a while

>>14109521
>even a Daniels watch suffers from the 311 date display

>>14109825
It's not going to be a meme.

>>14109857
What's a solution to it?

>>14109786
>he doesn't know that you can make a material have better tensile strength and hardness

All ya'll got it wrong

>>14109798
Please where can I download a flashlight app with Viagra ads?

>>14109887
add a space between 31 and 1

Why the fuck are you guys glorifying a watch that’s been used to kill servicepeople from various white countries? Is it some sort of 4chins edgelord bs?

I got a Speedmaster, wore it for 2 weeks, and now when I try wearing one of my Seiko shitters it just feels wrong. Pls help

>>14110043
It's called growing up.

>>14110001
It's cheap, rugged, and long lasting like a Toyota Hillux.

>>14109579

904L is a better metal for their watches.

>>14109521

This is true. Bought a watch on vacation and it obviously has been with me when I made some great memories during that trip. Will probably never sell it now.

>>14109490

Maybe they're fine tuning their design? Like actually listening to their customers as opposed to Rolex that will just give you a watch and you will like it whether you fucking want to or not, got it?

>>14109511
Apparently a Swedish brand. I'm Swedish and I think I saw the same brand on a street clock.

Komandirskie or Amphibia?

ROLEX
BOLEX
MOLEX
SOLEX
POLEX
HOLEX
GOLEX
JOLEX
WOWEX
YOLEX
ZOLEX
NOLEX
VOWLEX
TROLLEX

any suggestions for comfy straps?

>>14110331
shave that neckbeard and you might be able to afford one one day sweetie

>>14108855
its not arabic
total coincidence

>>14109980
You can't with this kind of display, unless you change the gearing. That's why retrograde dates tend to work best, but they're tough to pull off.

That's why I tend to prefer the numerical change rather than the dial date...something Lange gets so right it's almost absurd. Not that I wouldn't give anything for a Daniels....it's just an aesthetic observation

>>14110446
What are those specs on the date window?

>>14110460
What do you mean 'specs'? As in, how large are they, or how quickly do they change, or ...what? In short, I have no idea...they just look good to me in the proportion of the face. I think Lange uses golden section measurements for almost everything, which is why the 'slices' tend to all fit together nicely...but I'm just guessin.

>>14110469

>>14110474
OH!!! Sorry...I was thinking the shortform of 'specifications'. lol Fuck me...too much booze.

I have no idea. A shame though...but these things happen.

>>14110478
Corrosion?

>>14110481
>>14110478
fuck sorry I meant specks

>>14110481
I don't think so. If I were to guess, I'd say the metal wasn't finished properly on the inside of the windows. But that doesn't make sense to me because I'd expect them to do so. So, perhaps there is some dust from the movement or dust that was caught up in the date wheels which accrued when the movement was running. That's the only thing I can think of.

I don't think corrosion though. But again, I'm only guessin' here.

The mother-of-pearl is fucking mesmerizing though, isn't it?

>>14110485
Yup, now I understand...yeah, I have no idea.

>>14110488
>The mother-of-pearl is fucking mesmerizing though, isn't it?
Not a fan desu

>>14110502
Ah well. I am.

Anyway, this thread will be over shortly...then we can return to the usual Seiko and the question of finishing in GS vs. Patek....

How come you're up so early?

>>14110513
Up so early? It's 1 am

>>14110574
Yes. It's early, isn't it? Dear me, and I thought this was a forum about people who enjoyed spending time talking about the time they take to understand time....

>>14110578
I would say I'm up late. Also, Omega has garbage bracelets.

>>14110582
>Omega has garbage bracelets...

Not sure what you're comparing it to in that price range. The Seamaster segmented one is universally enjoyed due to its non-hair-pulling design (but universally hated by polishers for their construction). The old Speedmaster bracelet (1969-74 or so) is perhaps the best period bracelet of its kind of any manufacturer in terms of comfort and durability....so....I shall happily disagree with you on that!

Wear one...you'll be surprised.

>>14110589
I'm judging based on the gaps between the lugs or case. Also, the rumor is that the bracelets are made in China.

>>14110595

>>14110595
Specs for the Chronograph Seamasters are different to the non-chrono versions, due to the extreme height of the case. You'll find this problem on the older Chronograph versions as well (though the one in the first pic is the first co-axial series that is problematic).

The second pic is more in line with what I've seen before, but it will happen if the springbars are bent (which is a common occurrence). It wasn't an issue with mine, and after getting mine serviced recently, it's definitely not a problem.

As for the bracelets made in China, I believe you are correct. Of course, it depends on the period, but Omega like many other manufacturers have been outsourcing to China for things. Mine's not, but it wouldn't bother me if it was really, as long as the tolerances were tight.

>>14110582
The 1125 bracelet on mine is pretty comfy, and doesn't pull hairs. Can't tell you how the new ones are though.

>>14110603
It's not just the seamasters, the AT has issues as well.

>>14110615
What's the problem?

>>14110619
You can see the spring bars and the end link doesn't merge with the case.

>>14110630
I see it. why does that happen anyway?

>>14110638
In the case of a new watch it is most likely a manufacturing flaw.

Does anyone know where I can get a decent quality NATO strap in Australia? What's the difference between a high quality and low quality NATO strap anyway?

Should I buy a long runtime automatic? It annoys the fuck out of me when my seiko dies during the weekend. What do you think about the Tissot Powermatic 80 movement? It should survive 2 days if it really lasts 80hrs.

>>14110852
Is it really that hard to just take your Seiko out and wind it a bit during the weekend? I do that with my Vostok and it's like a minute at most.

>>14110860
New thread:

>>14110886
>>14110886
>>14110886

>>14109633
>tfw live in perth

I'm thinking of buying bulova lunar watch. Is it dum idea to pay 700€ for quartz watch?

>>14108922
You can get the tag heuer 02T for around 12-15k