/fa/ - Fashion

tfw no neofolk gf

tod der moderne

>>13927695

>>13927700
Jugend in den Wald

>>13927633

>>13927704

>>13927695

https://discord.gg/5wPXK26

How do you live a neofolk-inspired, traditionalist life while having to dwell in a modern city with a million others?

>>13927735
By improving as everything else deteriorates. Reading books, working out, daydreaming, meditating, eating good food and making good friends.

I always find the trousers to be the comfiest looking parts of neo folk

>>13927735
Tradition is coercion that corrupts children from the Gnostic state they are born in. The first judgement a child makes upon exiting the womb is to cry over their material existence. To truly stand against modernity and the western culture that birthed it is to view childhood and maturation as a microcosm of worldly decay, not of progress.

Unless you mean "traditional life" as in a life unhampered by modern machinery, consumerism, pollution, globalism, usury, and so on, in which "agrarian" or "folkish" would be preferable phrases to "traditional".

I really want his turtle neck cloak

Comfy

>>13927752
Good advice, thank you.
>>13927783
>to view childhood and maturation as a microcosm of worldly decay
How would an existence that takes this into account look like? How do you draw consequences from such a worldview for your day-to-day life?

>>13927788
What does the watermark say? Where is this from?

Stupid trad posters will never understand.

>>13928037
I don't think this is the place for such animosities.

>>13927783
Eh, it's true that something is lost with maturity, but it's not only decay. It is also the chance to grow out of the decay through force of will, rationally and decidedly - to return to the congruity of childhood with the added agency and power of maturity.

>>13927992
>How would an existence that takes this into account look like?
I think what he said is a good addition to my more practical advice in >>13927752 - there is a purpose to reading, to daydreaming and so on, and it is to recognize the cycle of genesis and decay in all areas of life, be it personal life, politics, history, biology. Then, when you see the cycle you can break it. Like the God of thunder fights the self-devouring snake.

I looked through #neofolk on instagram, quite the chore because the term is often misused by country and indie folk hippie types.

>>13927735
Some quick thoughts on this.

1. Neofolk as a subculture is primarily defined by music. Being in a city doesn't stop you from listening to the music, from supporting artists, seeking out concerts or making music yourself. The same goes for subculture-appropriate clothing.

2. Back to nature works in a city, too. When going on a holiday, you can go hiking innawoods instead of other things. You might be able to find some green spots in the evenings or weekends, depending on where you live. There might be some hippy-dominated projects like urban farming which would be very neofolky to support.

3. Neofolk is also about reinventing your culture. This doesn't necessarily mean music. If you do other arts like painting, writing, photography, etc. Learn about local folklore and traditions and let them inspire you instead of mimicking capitalist-globalist mass culture.

>>13928262

>>13928254
Interesting thoughts, especially
>Neofolk is also about reinventing your culture.
Also, post some nice Neofolk.
https://werra.bandcamp.com/track/wer-weiss-wo

>>13927633
autism

>>13928308
Autism is the hebrew word for both wisdom and fun.

>>13928305
You might like this:
https://inneresgebirge.bandcamp.com/

>>13928262
this is trash but where can I buy that Death in June hoodie?

>>13928305
https://sangredemuerdago.bandcamp.com/
https://ingowanring.bandcamp.com/
https://tescogermany.bandcamp.com/album/pale-tears
https://tescogermany.bandcamp.com/album/tunes-for-a-twilight-tears-for-a-lifetime-20-bit-lp-version

>>13928254
>>13928305
>folklorismus

>>13927806
Modern man is totally incapable of performing work of that nature. That's what illegal mexicans are for.

>>13928305
gutes lied, freut mich dass ich in Deutschland studierte. war ne gute zeit.

>>13927848
Arm street is a great company. I got my wife a cloak from them and it’s the best.

>>13927660
So a homosexual fairy nazi?

>>13928230
Whose gram is this from?

>>13928254
Huh, an explanation I actually understand. I think a lot of the message gets lost in >>13927783 uhhh..philosophy.

>>13929473
Your first move should be telling her to get her finger off that trigger.

>>13927690
Ching chong herro ferrow rite peepur I am not a mongorian rape baby I swear!!

So, is this all fashy LARPing, or do you actually dress like this?

>>13927760
Pope Francis gives Christmas sermon 2018 COLORIZED

>>13929680
>>>/his/
>>>/reddit/

>>13929700
There's nothing wrong with loving your people. There is, however, a big problem with 'we wuz druids an' sheeit' soft-fash aesthetics.

what are good brands

>>13927704
in dem Wald right? dative not accusative? obwohl muss ich zubeben, dass mein Wesse der deutchen Spräche zeimlich arm ist. ich bin nur ein bescheidener Neuling.

>>13929798
*Wissen

baka

>>13929798
Nein, in den Wald. Assuming this is meant to call for the youth to go into the forest rather than saying the youth is in the forest in which case it would be "dem".

Also there is more wrong with your post than Wissen.

>>13929739
Yeah, I think neofolk guys long for an old Europe that actually never was, they only romanticize some aspects of it, also neofolk as a genre is repetitive and formulaic as fuck

>>13929739
Better than aspiring to look like a fucking rapper.

>>13929798
>>13929802
It's an implied imperative, youths should go into the forest (in den Wald) - physically and allegorially!

>>13929815
I love you so much.

...

Also:

In dem Wald. – In the forest.
In den Wald. – Into the forest.

t. German native speaker

>>13927671
What do you call those jackets?

>>13929814
Having something to look up to and strive towards, even if it never was a thing in the most pure sense, isn't a bad thing. Focusing ion what is purely real and provable with no shred of romance leads to nihilism and corrupt degeneracy that lacks any purpose.

>>13929850
Chore jackets, I think they're called.

>>13929854
Based
The "leneverwaslikethat" people are dumb materialists, the past was never exactly how we romanticize it of course, but it was similar to a lesser degree, and having traditional values as opposed to hedonistic materialism is good i think

all these neofolkers look like the hobos from my city that all dress with milsup because some NGO buys german army's old stuff and gives it to them for free.

>>13929879
Your town has very pretty hobos.

>>13927690
I like those boots, can anybody ID them? They look kinda like the old French ranger boots.

>>13929815
Firstly, who said I wanted to look like a rapper? Secondly, why is the actual namefagging tranny is trying to lecture me on how to look?

>>13929949
theyre wehrmacht boots

>>13927633
Can anyone recommend some neofolk that isn't complete garbage? DFA and Current 93 both sound awful. Has their ever been a neofolk band with good vocals?

>>13929972
Thanks anon

>>13929984
A master communicator right here, folks. What a charming request. Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eheQjNdWk0

What are some good neofolk-esque boots?

>>13929864
Chore coats, chore jackets, or work jackets are their popular names.

>>13927664
neuschwabenland patch looks so fucking cool.

>>13927717
why live

>>13930013
Vintage military boots or classic menswear boots would be appropriate, I'd say.

>>13930031
Don't worry, you'll find her. She will be at concerts, milsurp stores, esoteric book clubs, religious sites, solstice celebrations, historic landmarks and possibly political organisations you will visit in the future.

>>13930069
Nice to see some positivity on an imageboard.

>>13930069
i just want a girl that makes cute subtle death in June references, god.

Friendly reminder that learning how to make your own food is also a neofolky thing.

>>13927735

>Amor fati (lit. "love of fate") is a Latin phrase that may be translated as "love of fate" or "love of one's fate". It is used to describe an attitude in which one sees everything that happens in one's life, including suffering and loss, as good or, at the very least, necessary, in that they are among the facts of one's life and existence, so they are always necessarily there whether one likes them or not. Moreover, amor fati is characterized by an acceptance of the events or situations that occur in one's life.

>This acceptance does not necessarily preclude an attempt at change or improvement, but rather, it can be seen to be along the lines of what Friedrich Nietzsche apparently means by the concept of "eternal recurrence": a sense of contentment with one's life and an acceptance of it, such that one could live exactly the same life, in all its minute details, over and over for all eternity.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amor_fati

Trying to find ways of enjoying life is important for everyone. Mainstream globalized mass culture wants you to be an effective worker to earn money that you can spend on pleasures the capitalist system offers you: Electronic devices, movies, games, drugs, etc.

Another way is to find ways of enjoying life in things that are necessary anyway. Learning to make bread, growing your own vegetables or cooking with friends are very enjoyable and wholesome activities. Turning the necessary things like acquiring food into enjoyable things is a good way to enjoy life without being dependent on the capitalist enjoyment industry and very neofolky imo.

>>13927675
>>13927697
>>13927731
>>13928305
Frozen Folk/Antartic Neo-Folk

>>13930112

>>13930112
Friendly reminder to check out Sturmpercht.

https://sturmpercht.bandcamp.com/

>>13930112
Eh, we have lots of snow in Europe. Northern Europe at least. And I hear climate change will soon bring arctic climate to central Europe: Very cool!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiFRYAnvrN4

>>13930129

>>13930185
Is that a map of the hollow earth? Where did you get it?

>>13927735
Please explain why you "have to" do this. Are you just unwilling to part with certain comforts?

>>13930129
>>13930135
>>13930145
>>13930185

Aesthetic tips to become more Frozen Folk living in urban areas.

-Overdress for the cold always. Layering, Scarves, Gloves, Neckwarmers, Balaclavas Ect.

-It is winter for most of us right about now, crack windows during dry cold and snow, let the cold seep into your room and listen to your respective dark music. Feel the cold and reflect on your day.

-Melt snow to drink and use in place of ice cubes (Story for a couple weeks ago: Early Snowfall in my part of NY, In the morning i made a iced coffee with snow instead of icecubes :^) cozy. )

-Walk in the snow, Get a coffee and Go out during snowfall and take in your surroundings. It is Surprisingly peaceful.

>>13930221
Because we work there, you ponce. Oh yeah go out into and live from the fruits of the earth, why don't you? We can't all be the unabomber.

>>13929814
What's wrong with longing for something that never was? Honest question. If it never existed than at that point you're just creating a new aesthetic and ideal and that seems fine to me.

>>13930223
>Early Snowfall in my part of NY
nice

>>13927660
what's with the M65 hate?

>>13930333
>hate
*love

>>13930321
Love me some good frost man.

>>13930388
Catskills is the aesthetic.

>>13930408
This is Accurate.

>>13927679
Don't know if it makes any difference to you fags but that's a British sniper in an SS smock

>>13930436
Why would it make any difference?

where tf am i and wtf is this

>>13929815
You suck cock you can’t comment faggot

>>13930540
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neofolk

>>13930542
shhhhh, noone wants you spewing insults here

>>13929663

>>13929663
what the fuck are you even talking about

>>13928254
>instead of mimicking capitalist-globalist mass culture.

And here we link web shops to each other that provide goods so we can mimick neo-folk looks.

>>13930636
If you think buying or selling goods is somehow the problem or something we oppose here, you still have some learning to do.

>>13930636
Where?

>>13930641
Although the Wandervogel movement certainly also had people buying things to fit in visually (mum I need a gay little handkerchief like my dear Fritzl wears) I somehow see a bit of a difference between buying supposedly cheap and durable clothing for hiking and asking which globalist fashion brands you can assemble a look from to imitate some subculture you got nothing to do with.

>>13930660
Fair point.

>>13930341
I assumed from the faggot-flag and other things, that the image was sarcastic, good god I still hope it is ...

>>13930695
You know Douglas P is gay, right?

>>13930695
Nobody tell him about Death in June.

>>13930707
does it matter?

>>13930724
Not to me, but >>13930695 seems to be getting his panties in a bunch over a "faggot-flag"...

>>13930724
It's called neofolk inspo for a reason, faglette.

>>13930542

>>13930724

being gay is ok

>>13930707
Dad in June

>>13930742
Crown braids are the best hair style.

Is this neofolk if you're a pure white North-Western European? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rbh-1dQPRg

>>13930757
I'm aiming to get mine long enough to do it. Although I'm sure a lot of them are done using extensions.

>>13930761
This is not neofolk, it's ambient. What you are has nothing to do with the genre of the music you posted.

>>13930761
I'd call that ritual ambient or dark folk, but whether dark folk is a part of neofolk is debatable. They're both post-industrial European folk music genres that evoke some sort of idealized regional past through a pagan lens. The descriptor of the music doesn't change relative to your race. Don't forget that aryanism is not a mere matter of blood but of soul. Are you a god reborn? Then don't try to brag.

>>13930742
>>13930768
Pretty!

>>13930783
reeee

>>13930707
Just because he's gay doesn't mean he has to take part in the stupid homosexual culture.

>>13930867
Who says he does?

I know a couple of gay people and none of them take part in pride parades or things like that. Douglas P does nothing but talking about it and using the rainbow flag.

>>13930867
That was not implied, was it? Obviously openness toward homosexuality is an important part of neofolk, Doug P is not alone in that regard - neither among neofolkers nor among influences on neofolk.

Well colour me shocked that you neofolk lads are a bunch of fags lmao

>>13930927
Well colour me shocked that race and sexual orientation don't seem to matter to them.

>>13930927
>>13930939
Yeah, doesn't really matter to us.

>>13927992
thats is.. im going hiking tomorrow

Good thread you guys, I'm loving the pics and discussion.

>>13930886
>you'll never be worshipped by all the cutey art boys for your pederast poems

trad hiking spots?

>>13928011
southern swords?

>>13930112
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOB6b6kFCU4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diIyLIFgH24

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jST20oV3xYs

>>13930223
Alaskafag here, can confirm smoking weed makes you immune to cold, do include this

>>13931495
this was lowkey given ;)

>>13930741
>>13930736
t.projecting

Really like neo folk but i don't want to dress in full milsup i can understand black boots and wool pants

Can someone help me out

>>13929739
can you define why is it a big problem?

>>13927675
Hey! It wasn't me who posted this for once!
Fuck yeah. I live for these threads.

>>13929663
based

>>13930245
And that attitude is why we can't have nice things

Question: the people o know who embody this neofolk aesthetic are in some way shape and form connected to the neo folk music scene or are part of this urban "back to the land" mindset. Ive been in contact with this scenario for about a decade off and on.

But when exactly did this threads seemingly "Iron pill" aspect take on neofolk aesthetic and the term itself?

>>13931738
real neofolk is white people with dreads wearing hippy scarves and hemp pants at a dnb rave in the middle of nowhere

>>13931623

What do you need help with? The reason milsurp comes up so much in Neofolk threads is, as has been said before in these threads, because Neofolk often has to do with a romanticized return to folk cultures and traditions while acknowledging its impossibility in a post World-War society. So there's a grappling of the past "as it could have been" and a fighting for that image / a somber reflection on the death that is sown IN the fighting for one's culture in a modern age.

Another reason milsurp is so popular is because it's cheap and usually pretty durable, which helps, and is probably the reason that Douglas P, who I’m sure can be pointed to as The Godfather of Neofolk, would gravitate towards it. Neofolk and Post-Industrial music did evolve as a reaction to and from punk music, after all.

My go-to when putting more neofolk outfits together is to buy quality vintage stuff, usually of natural materials (wool is relatively common in my wardrobe). I also like items that are modern or contemporary in their cut, as long as the stitching etc is still sturdy and not done so much for pure visual effect as to become too delicate. The idea is to get articles of clothing that will age beautifully, which, granted, isn’t an idea unique to Neofolk aesthetics in the least.

>>13931623
>>13931750

So my recommendations are:
- Go for quality, and don’t be afraid of wear / patina
- Drab colors are generally good
- If you’re going to add any accessories, keep in mind why you’re adding otherwise unnecessary items. Carrying symbols is important to people, but there’s very little in a neofolk look that feels baroque or overly decorated. Most worn items that aren’t immediately practical (in the low-tech way that Neofolk can be practical) are chosen sparsely and have symbolic significance. If it’s hard for you to choose or find something that has significance, then I recommend you listen to the other anons and pick up an old school craft and make yourself something worth adorning. Cast some shit out of silver or make some rope and whittle yourself something out of wood.

Otherwise, Neofolk is just Post-punk for tree-huggers (which I don’t say pejoratively)

But as anons above have implied, the aesthetic evolves more out of an ethos. That's why it looks like LARP to people who wouldn't understand the reason for choosing garments and symbols that last and give them meaning and have proven utility in the outdoors.

>>13930884
Hey do you have a source on that photo?

>>13931741
Ew, no.

>>13931738
You mean the anti-depressive / self-improvement aspect? That's a pretty integral part of the music itself - it follows logically from promoting social darwinist, elitist philosophy in the lyrics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huxyXhsUvYE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEUz3MyuuZ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ0D4i-3Vqo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XyrGW-cJh8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxQGubk4CW4

>>13930867
Finally someone gets it.

>>13930489
None of you are exactly LARPing as Tommy Atkins are you

Can neofolk exist outside of a Northern European/Western aesthetic?

>>13931945
ehhhh? Maybe? As a musical style almost certainly. The whole aesthetic is a bit iffy since Africa is still somewhat tribal, Asia usually has a great reverence for traditions, and Latin America is fine with their native-conquistador blended culture.

>>13931945
That would be something different and your question leads me to believe you don't understand it anyways.

>>13931945
For the last time. No.

If you are not white european, you can obviously still enjoy the music but the message it carries will never apply to you.

>>13932085
Everyone knows that only white northern Europeans have a history of wearing natural fibers and going for walks in the woods.

>>13931959
I'm more so talking about the contemporary revitalization of ones culture but also the neofolk clothing aesthetic that is revamped cultural attire.

>>13932085
>>13932005

All the neofolk people I know are in there 30s ans half of them are part white, in interracial relationships or are not volkish.

Maybe it's because they are in the US but in essence they are grown up traditionally minded hippies.

That's why I'm confused by "neofolk" on 4chan because it's just radically different than what I experience here.

>>13931883
>>13930867

you get that folks are just trying to live their lives like Doug for the most part and everyone else got their dick twisted in knots about it enough that it's just to troll everyone who got triggered

>>13931945
since White Euros conquered most places such that their cultures were wiped out and were incapable of developing new traditions, the idea of them Coming Back to The Old Ways doesn't really work. It'd just be Being Folkish. Parts of Asia can and already do this kind of stuff, though, as they adopted/were thrown into modern Euro styles.

>>13927633
I’m just gonna flat out ask it. Is neofolk a white supremacist subculture?

We have to bring ponchos back. I wear a big black fleece one all the time and it's so cozy.

>>13932327
No but there's a certain amount of crossover, so be aware of that.

>>13927633
Neofolk is country music for nazis.

>>13932342
No, that's country music.

>>13932368
The Klan listen to country music. Nazis listen to neofolk.

>>13932377
the klan wishes it had the brain cells & blood pressure to listen to Neofolk.

>>13932377
No, nazis have their own brand of folk music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h652hNM6bQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiuJktQFIQM
And it's not neofolk. You'll find some right-wing radicals listenin to neofolk but those are of the more intellectual kind, esoteric fringe groups of new right and identitarians.

>>13930752
I want Douglas P to be my dad... :(

>>13927666
Cool stuff

>>13931945
>>13931959
>>13932005
>>13932085
>>13932101
>>13932113
>>13932181

I think neofolk in some ways can exist outside of a Euro culture, but as the anon above said, it's hard to say whether or not it would just be folkish or traditional.

But I think the reason the "neo" exists in "neofolk" and is tied into so much militarism is because of loss of old European ways after radical industrialization and war.
So the idea of revitalizing one's culture isn't particularly Neofolk on its own. Neofolk, in part, is europeans mourning the loss of an old europe which was killed by the new Europe. Colonized cultures don't have this same self sabotage, and therefore lack the same existential note that Neofolk-ism carries for european cultures.

>>13932548
So in some ways neo-romanticism would describe neo-folk better?

>>13932113
Americans need to wiped off the face of the earth

>>13927715
Holy fuck that collection, Jung would be impressed

>>13932598
If you were to parse the elements apart from each other, then you could say it's both neofolk and neo-romanticism, yes, but I don't think that the term "neo-romanticism" on its own could account for the localized folk traditions that neo-folk uses or references for its sense of romanticism.

Does that make any sense?

>>13932633
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romantic_nationalism

I think romanticism used to do that too.

is neofolk really just a music genre? cause it seems to go deeper than that, judging by this thread

>>13932633
>>13932638

So yes, in some ways neo-romanticism does describe neofolk better. That’s to say that Neofolkism is definitely a species of Romanticism or Romantic-revival.

It's just that the "neo" part of "neofolk" should already communicate that it's a new version of folkism, not merely a folk-revival. That means that, in calling it "new" folk, it's admitting that there is an old folk tradition that is being dispensed with, at least in part. And in admitting it's a "new" folk way, those who use the term neofolk are complicit in the revision of those traditional folk traditions. Hence the military aesthetics, which are used in some sense to admit to being complicit in the execution of tradition, and hence why anons up in this bitch get a little touchy if you accuse them of simply being traditional.

I'd argue that a neo-romantic aesthetic could be globalized, wherein a neofolk aesthetic has to particularize to region and personal history.


Ugh... maybe "nufolk" would more properly describe what Neofolk attempts to communicate. Just sounds gross, though.

>>13932649
I think you could ask the same with punk-rock. While punk music is definitely a music genre, there was a way of life that formed around the music, or that the music emerged from, making it hard to have one without the other. Punk-rock and punk-lifestyles are hard to separate because they're both expressions of the same ethos.

Neofolk is the same way, just the ethos has been revised.

>>13932676
what's the neofolk ethos?

>>13932687
No niggers allowed

>>13932638
Yeah, Romanticism certainly did that, but I suppose that my point is that Neofolk gives name to that kind of particularization.

Not all folk revival stuff is Neofolk, because folk isn't necessarily romantic in tone. It can be a costume for reenactment without a genuine attempt to incorporate those old lessons into modern life.
And not all Romanticism, and acting out of a story in one's personal life, is Neo-folk, because you can act out stories and ethos that aren't historic in nature. Maybe this is a stretch, but I would say that Sci-fi can be romantic too.

But in order for Folk to be Neofolk, it has to be a folk revival that’s romantic in tone. It also leaves the realm of neofolk aeshetics, I believe, when the aesthetics become too fantasy oriented.

>>13932702
>t. racist idiot.

>>13932687
To give a simple, perhaps too general of an answer: I think if Punk's ethos was Nihilism, then Neofolk's ethos is a Somber, Romantic, Historic, Existentialism. And it needs the combination of all those things (though maybe "somber" is redundant).


>>13932702
Bad punchline. Neofolk loves the dark stuff.
Also I don't see a reason there couldn't be a neofolk album about Saint Maurice. Maybe some wouldn't like him but that's more likely because he's a Christian icon than because he's black. And even then, Current 93's David Tibet is Christian.

>>13932723
I should also say that if Punk's ethos isn't just nihilism, but instead is the manifestation of a radical DIY ethic, then Neofolk-as-reaction is a revision to that Punk ethos, in that it emphasizes quality and craft, and doesn't reject tradition wholesale in the same way that Punk does.

>>13932745
Neofolk is also used synonymously with Post-Industrial too. I haven't reconciled that one exactly, but I think a lot of artists that are posted as "neofolk" are really lacking in the embracing of industrial music production that otherwise gives Neofolk its modern coloration.

Anyone got any input on the Post Industrial ethos vs a Neofolk ethos? That is, if they can be separated at all? (I'm not sure they can be).

>>13932723
>And even then, Current 93's David Tibet is Christian
To my knowledge, he is a Gnostic Christian, not a Judeo-Christian.

>>13932755
That's a very fair separation, though I'm not sure what that would mean when extrapolated on. Could you elaborate on why that's a meaningful distinction, especially regarding Neofolkism?

Genuinely curious because I hadn't thought to divorce Gnostic-Christianity from Judeo-Christianity.

>>13927715
That is Dave Denison, quite an interesting fellow. He filled many hundreds of notebooks with gematria and numerology and some of it has been transcribed on this website - http://973-eht-namuh-973.com/

>>13932762
Gnostic Christians do not recognize the Old Testament or anything proceeding from Paul, and their conception of the Jewish god (Yahweh, Demiurge, Old Testament god) is of an ignorant and imperfect being that emanated from the perfect unknown and created material existence as a prison. Rather than believing in salvation through faith, transcendence is achieved by attaining Gnosis (divine knowledge) and separating your spirit from material.

>>13932776
Meant to reply to >>13932606

>>13932776
I've always quite liked what little I've known about the Gnostics, though I didn't know the exact boundaries of their faith regarding biblical works. I'd heard of them being summarized as worshipers of the snake which granted truth and knowledge to Eve in the garden of Eden, but if Gnostics don't recognize the Old Testament, could that be true?

>>13932791
I worded that part poorly. They don't recognize the Old Testament god (whom they typically refer to as the demiurge) as supreme and instead pray to a higher God or "Sophia".

This website explains it much better than I can:
http://gnosis.org/genesis.html

>>13932649
It's a music genre that is to some extent defined by a passion for comparative mythology, metapolitical melancholia, symbolic readings of history and literal magic. It's a bit more than just a certain sound.

>>13932663
Since we're arguing about terms now, I'd like to remind everyone that until ~2000 the same musical tradition was called Apocalyptic Folk and that the descriptor Neofolk was coined when the scene was internationalising, particularly to designate German and Scandinavian scenes. At the same time, especially among German groups, you could perceive a shift in narrative: Whereas cultural pessimism and lament of decline were the focus of British Apocalyptic Folk bands these topics remained relevant but were balanced out by visions of a fresh start and new dawn. That is the maning of the "neo" in Neofolk.

>>13932799
Excellent! Thank you. I will read more into this for sure.
>>13932806
!!!!!!!!
Thank you, brother, for the recent-historical analysis. This actually provides a lot of good context and clarity for what I was trying to blindly identify while looking backwards.

>>13930955
i am appalled at this cruel personal attack against me

I'd say there's really no point in arguing about etymology, since it's mostly semantics anyway, the neofolk we're talking about isn't "new folk" in general, the "folk" that is being "revitalized" is a very specific idea that's honestly closer to folklorism or fakelore than any actual historical culture that's ever existed. It's hyperreal, it's simulacra. Don't worry about it.

So, anyway. Does anyone know of a good online shops to find nice warm wool sweaters in earthy colors? Local thrift stores have proved disappointing.

>>13932709
go back to africa

>>13932776
These are my old age goals, just lock myself up studying esoteric tomes. Even though I'm kind of already doing that at age 24 since everything else is so damn boring and routine

>>13932799
Sophia is just an emanation from the one God if I'm correct. She wanders too far from the Monad, and "falls". From her, the demiurge is born. And while Sophia is able to return to God (like we are able to), the Demiurge was ignorant and in his folly created the material world, in a vain attempt to emulate the perfect order of God. He "steals" spirits from Sophia, which he placed into the earthy vessels of flesh and bone.

That's how I understood it anyway.

>>13932963
wow you sound so cool and unique

do you have a blog that I could subscribe to?

>>13932984
>posted by someone who browses fucking /fa/

>>13932963
>esoteric tomes

After a while you come to realize it's all bullshit. There are some nice allegories here and there, but in the end they're all just stories and made up stuff.

In my experience you'll come closer to "the truth" by venturing outside, and experience the world.

>>13932998
Slim margins for bullshit there, mate.

>>13932998
I think they can be helpful for studying the unconscious mind though, seeing as like 99.9% of what we think and do is unconscious this seems relatively important

>>13932998
I used to think Linkola's pseudo-fascistic beliefs were a byproduct of his deep ecological ideology, but these days it seems more likely his deep ecological ideology is just a cover for his genuine fascistic beliefs :(

>>13933013
if you're some retarded doped up american on xanax maybe all you do is unconscious yes

>>13932998
You'll get the best results by doing both.

>>13932924
Stay up-to-date with milsurp stores like Varusteleka and Beredskapsboden (those old green Norwegian army sweaters are great, as are the Swiss summer model sweaters). There are also some Scandi brands that I think fir the aesthetic very well, but I don't want to tell you before I haven't bought the items from them that I want.

Post outfits and clothing that you like you fucking spacks.

>>13927660
>dragging Ernst Jünger in this
kys

Why must you faggots always try to explain some blatantly obvious aesthetic (aesthetic: relating to, involving, or concerned with pure emotion and sensation as opposed to pure intellectuality; a particular individual’s set of ideas about style and taste, along with its expression; one’s set of principles or worldview as expressed through outward appearance, behavior, or actions) and in the process break it down to the lowest common denominator while simultaneously losing the original spirit into an exchange of poorly fitted, barren terms?
I was going to make a condescending infograph explanation of neofolk to the mentally challenged but then I realized it's already in the thread. If you don't understand >>13927660 there is no point, you are a lost cause. Keep pondering about the meaning in your spare time, maybe it will come to you one day, probably not.

>>13933041
lol

>>13933047
Lmao nice copypasta
>Search the text in the archive
>It's unique
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>13933039
Yeah, I agree. Now that we know the etymology of Neofolk (>>13932806) we should return to the discussion of aesthetics and fashion.

>>13933058
He's kind of correct, we're getting a little bit off-topic. I disagree though about our discussion being reductive when it's actually all over the place.

>>13933058
Half that post is a dictionary definition, you dumb phone poster.

>>13933035
Christ's sake, close your eyes and let your mind wander. Did YOU decide what images and thoughts would pop into your head? I hate to use the NPC meme but come tf on man

Some call it darkfolk, and all sorts of other names, but what matters is that the outfits and clothing still embody the same spirit, the aesthetics are meant to be traditional, but not in the same vein as americana, or workwear, or the business suits of the Edwardians, but rather an older, darker tradition, that transcends faith and folk, and still dwells in the ancient forests.

>>13933058
>that image
fuck off faggot

>>13933085
You actually do decide what your ming lingers on by choosing the input. Americans only have shit for brains so you can guess what they see

>>13933097
Okay, so you're able to completely silence your mind? With no images or thoughts jumping up without your will.

>>13933117
I didn't say that fuck face. I said I chose what I have in my mind and it's not the garbage you have in there. Therefore the things that come up out of my subconscious are molded into shape by what I consume eg not garbage like you

>>13933117
Read twice. He said you chose what you input into your mind, those are the things you see when your mind wanders. May that be mountains or coke cans.

Plus add some Jung shit about primordial images but that's my opinion.

>>13933127
So you are admitting there's an unconscious mind then? That's the point I was trying to make initially. Just because you've improved your willpower over the subconscious doesn't mean you should disparage others for trying to do the same. You kind of just sound like a butthurt edgelord though, not surprising given this is one of the worst boards on this shit site

>>13933079
>>13933088
HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I don't have any fedora pictures, but you can have this instead.
Big yikes.

>>13933138
There is no direct unconscious. It's all made up by what you consume. There is no 'nothingness' in your head. Dipshit nigger

Stop fighting about nonsense, guys.

>>13933151
>>13933156
looks like fucking garbage what the fuck

>>13933140
got any more epic relatable comfy memes saved on your phone?

>>13933163
Okay.

>>13933171
>>13933161
>>13933156
>>13933151
jc penny goth collection 2014

>>13933172
What did you expect?

ᚾᛖᛟᚠᛟᛚᚲ

>>13932113
>Maybe it's because they are in the US

Americans are vile creatures.

>>13930416


(((Catskills)))...they say the ghost of Rodney Dangerfield still haunts those woods, looking for the respect he never got in life.

>>13933241
this

the biggest problem with all subcultures is americans

>>13933039
>>13933047
>>13933067
When a thread is titled "Neofolk" I think it helps to establish where those boundaries are in order to help clarify and prevent the "But what's Neofolk" comments in the future that allow for threads like this to get derailed and filled with racist and political nonsense.

>>13933088
>Some call it darkfolk, and all sorts of other names, but what matters is that the outfits and clothing still embody the same spirit, the aesthetics are meant to be traditional, but not in the same vein as americana, or workwear, or the business suits of the Edwardians, but rather an older, darker tradition, that transcends faith and folk, and still dwells in the ancient forests.

I appreciate this.

>>13933255
Thanks, I've been a regular in these threads for a while, and a long time fan of the music and the artistic expressions, but it is quite hard to put it into writing without sounding pretentious and obtuse on purpose

>>13933283

>>13933290

>>13933275
Yeah, I get that. Part of the look is the mystery of it anyway, so clarifying what the word means doesn't help people feel what's compelling about the aesthetics anyway.

>>13933298

>>13933255
>>13933275
I think you're off when you see only the goth twist on European pagan leftovers and not the whole modernist nazism angle but go ahead, little mori boys.

>>13927633
The irony of a call back to basics on a board designed to praise materialistic things like clothes doesn't elude me...

I'm caught between retrowave and cyberpunk, and neofolk and minimalist workwear ..... please help /fa/, don't make me choose .....

>>13933320
fuck off

>>13933313
No, no, I get you on that front. That's why I mention frequently why milsurp is included in people's images. There's a modernist militarism element for sure.

>>13933251
Seems like most subcultures derived from the US. Including the rock roots of Neofolk

>>13933442
Did you ever hear neofolk? Fuck I wish it sounded like rock.

>>13932924
Also well put.

image limit reached

new thread?

>>13932327
>caring about stupid shit like this

>>13933442
It's an industrial revival of late 19th century European folk music, exactly that part of Rock'n'Roll that is neither American (country, guitar distortion) nor Negroid (clumsiness, the primal beauty of a simple mind) in origin.

>>13929984
its technically folk, but it has a lot of the same content as neofolk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSztLD2DesQ

>>13927660
>duchamp urinal
?

>>13931628
Not the guy, but I would say it's because you're romanticizing a period of time which didn't really happen, or which was lived far differently from what you perceive. Life was brutal in the ancient world, and the modern world has it's flaws, but we have stable food, working medicine, and more access to information than was ever possible before. At least in the developed world.

Demonizing the present and lionizing the past is an easy trap to fall into, like the clothes if you want, some of them look good, but don't fall in love with a history that never happened. The "King under the mountain" will never wake up

>>13934187
people dont romanticize how easy things were dipshit, they LIKE the hard work traditional living necessitates. And most people don't hate the present, they just hate the loss of culture thats come with globalisation

>>13932924
woolrich has at least one, llbean might have or they might all be blended, original montgomery has a cream sweater

>>13933103
>i am brown shoes, destroyer of fits

>>13933320
not sure what retrowave is, but you can skip cyberpunk becayse it makes you look completely autistic. you can try finding a common ground between workwear and neofolk so id suggest doing that.

>>13934204
>the loss of culture thats come with globalisation
that's the problem: the culture that was lost never existed in the first place

>>13934351
Dumbass, you really think every Euro ethnicity had the same culture before the EU?

>>13934020
>>13933458
The neofolk artists I have seen perform have a clear undercurrent of rock in their performances. Like cow calling through the woods on a foggy evening rock but clearly a nod to metal and rock.

Also I find it ironic that you valourize the music of European peasants but cannot understand the similar rootedness of African peasantry either.

>>13934351
Retard alert.

>>13934547
I'm just saying that there is hardly any Afroamerican influence left in what is essentially post-punk (which it is fair to call the music Of The Wand And The Moon play live) and none was ever present in the music of most German-style neofolk bands.

>>13933531
I think the cooldown period is beneficial to the quality of these threads, let's not have another one right away.

>>13935168
If you do not have another one right now it'll just start from the beginning with new posters arguing about 'whats neofolk'

>>13927660
whats with Double cross of Jogaila?

>>13933458
>>13934547
Depending on how many hairs you split, these guys may not be neofolk but if you want some heavier influence in Apocalyptic folk type music, there are a few good American bands you can listen to.
King Dude (especially his older stuff)
Chelsea Wolfe (again, early stuff is more folk, but damn is her later stuff good too)
Cult of Youth

Even "Thou" came out with a more neofolk album, and they're generally just a straight-up metal act. (The album is "Inconsolable" by the way).
And if you're into that acoustic metal shit and want to just call it neofolk for the sake of this thread right now, you can never go wrong with Agalloch's "The Mantle"

Or you can just listen to Michael Gira's solo stuff and stuff with Swans. Thematically not really Neofolk but there's sonic overlap, being both of the Post-Punk era.

>>13935707
Destroying Angel is also a cool act. They're Philadelphia based I think.

>>13935441
Nah, those who were new in this thread will in the meantime have time to listen to more of the music and maybe read up on the theory a bit. Everyone will be able to reflect on this threadand have some fresh ideas for a new one. Next time we will come together stronger than before. I also fear that if we continued right now it would turn into a regular /fa/ thread where people would try to dumb down the aesthetic and post items from globalist fashion houses that they think would fit the look - this is actually a challenge, one that can best be adressed by (like >>13933151) avoiding mainstream fashion brands and instead posting milsurp and hunting clothes, Trachtenmode and Scandi outdoor stuff. The Haglöfs pants are pushing it already. This is a challenge we should collectively reflect until next time.

>>13935766
You fucking talk to much is the issue.

>>13933151
>>13933156
>>13933161
>take a break from modernity
>techwear

Choose one

>>13935880
none of the clothing bar the ww2 shit posted itt is viable for actual neofolk

Pretty good thread my guys
happy&proud

>>13936051
Indeed, let's have another this weekend

>>13935168
Heilung for example has a strong and salient rock influence that while abstracted is within an American rock tradition fused with Asian inspired throat singing and in Krigsgaldr openly takes from hip hop.

Bruh don't be stupid.

>>13933047
>GOD DAMN IT I AM SO MUCH SMARTER THAN EVERYBODY I HAVE SUCH A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THIS NEBULOUS CONCEPT THAN ALL OF YOU WHY CAN'T YOU SHARE MY SUBJECTIVE UNDERSTANDING THAT I'M NOT GOING TO EXPLAIN
kill yourself you solipsistic faggot

>>13935888
>>13935888
>>13935888

>88

new thread

>>13927812
W2C Shirt?

>>13932709
Retard

>>13932327
Some would say so. It kinda is.

>>13936100
Heilung is not neofolk, at all.

how about this aesthetic minus the nazi shit

>>13934436
>>13934907
Show me a single nation that had a "völkisch" culture as it is understood now, you womble.

http://staff.washington.edu/ellingsn/Hobsbawm_Inventing_Traditiions.pdf

>>13927660
lol you forgot the Death in June album

>>13928333
I second this

>>13937038
Germanics