/fa/ - Fashion

>>13154874
Imagine if you were in this one. You have to take like 3 different sets of elevators and stairs lol

>that feel when no comfy palace surrounded by gardens

>>13155135
You mean one?

>>13155182
no retard how the fuck 1 elevator gonna take you to that

>>13155135
???
looks pretty straightforward to me

>>13155185
>>13155188

>>13154874
A D V A N C E D B R U T A L I S M

why can i not get over art deco /fa/m. here's a shitty dump of random stuff i found on google one time.

couple more of the cormier house

this isn't any great feat of architecture obviously but I do like the way these buildings look

>>13155188
damn i got beaned
>>13155197
you are right

>>13155188
lmao what a retard

lets all laugh at him >>13155185
>>13155135

>fucking kek

op here, this guy has some great photography of architecture
https://www.le-blanc.com/dramatis-personae-ii/

>>13155700
I fucking hate buildings that look gorgeous from the outside but sacrifice functionality for architectural flair. I can hear the architect slowly wanking himself every time I look at them.

That building, for instance, looks really striking. Until you realize that like 2/3rds of those windows will barely get any fucking sunlight, defeating half the fucking purpose of putting windows there in the first place. They're like windows that face into alleyways, except at least that's people making do as best they can with what they've got - here it's completely unnecessary. Dozens of unnecessarily gloomy rooms, all because the architect wanted to design a "famous building" in the shape of an open cube. What a terrible use of space.

At least it makes for cool photographs. No argument there.

>>13155491
these kinds of art deco statues always creeped me out. like this one legit spooked me when i was a kid

pls no modernist trash

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>>13156705

That is one ugly piece of crap. If you look at the culture it's a good indicator of the health of a civilization.

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>>13156726

> Commie architecture
> good

>>13156731

>>13156725

>>13156732
communists made a lot of beautiful buildings

>>13156745

care to give a few examples of these beautiful buildings I seemed to have missed?

>>13156732
pleb

>>13156705
always nice to see someone who appreciates salamone

>>13156748

Nice argument kiddo, brutalism is shit and you know it. If there so great why does nobody ever visit them?

>>13156693
Been there this summer, looks even better irl

>>13155482
Art deco is sort of normiecore, everyone likes it. That said the brickwork here is worth noting

>>13156678
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>>13156700
>"pls no modernist crap"
>posts kitschy, overly HDR'd vernacular tourist crap instead
We get it, you're 56% white. Congratulations, what an achievement. Sure it looks nice (not arguing that) and it's great for selling postcards but it's uncontroversial and literal peasant taste. Not to mention the fact that this >>13156725 is a fucking mess, and IS outright ugly. I'm not arguing that the craftsmanship isn't amazing, but it's oversaturated with detail to the point of looking like a monstrous and overindulgent piece of bloated shit.

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>>13156732
since you all seem to be fans of government dictated culture and WEWUZism have perhaps the only good architecture to come out of the modern right wing

>>13157096

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>>13157099
fascist molestation of godly italian history

>>13157195

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>>13155757
I agree that function should dictate form, but in this particular example you're wrong...
Glass facades that let in direct sunlight are notorious for wasting energy by letting the inside of the building heat up. Windows that face open sky but not direct sunlight are actually much more efficient because they let in ambient light without getting hot. Those rooms are nowhere near "gloomy" lol (at least not anymore gloomy than Parisian weather already is)

>>13157084
>Worth noting
No it's not

>>13157234
Yeah if only the was real

>>13157092

> My taste is good because not many people like it

that some high IQ logic.

The reason why those buildings are good is because they mimic the natural world. They have natural patterns, proportions and colours. Not grey concrete monstrosities that depress the soul.

>>13157320
how can you criticize the logic of a post and then go on to fall prey to the naturalistic fallcy

>>13157336

How's naturalism a fallacy? People feel more comfortable and relaxed around natural environments. That's been proven multiple times.

>tfw you have to share a board with people who unironically love brutalist architecture

>>13157342
when you say

>The reason why those buildings are good is because they mimic the natural world. They have natural patterns, proportions and colours. Not grey concrete monstrosities that depress the soul.

this is an appeal to nature

>>13157342
>>13157320
hurr
brutalism mimics rock cliffs and caves
therefore it's naturalist
QED

>>13157368

> Rocks are perfect squares and rectangles

>>13157373
yeah, and trees and plants look exactly like this.

you dumb faggot

>>13157378
it still looks much more pleasing than pic releated

>>13157387
>Go to city looking for natural things
>Be shocked when you see man-made buildings

Kys, family

>>13157391
lol

>>13157378

I believe some inspiration was taken from the poppy.

>>13157353

But that doesn't make my point incorrect that being in natural environments improves ones sense of being.
The appeal to nature fallacy only applies without specific context.

https://www.rochester.edu/news/show.php?id=3639

>>13157391

> Go to city
> look around
> be shocked by ugly building

I get you like communism but it doesn't have to extend to your architecture.

>>13157387
aw so now that your retarded appeal to naturalism got proven wrong you have no more valid criticism other than "wahh i think it looks ugly"?

>>13157406
>defending gothic architecture with naturalist fallacy
>doesn't even know what plant the floral motifs are based on

come on stop being a cunt

FWIW I love gothic architecture but you're just being retarded if you can't see how brutalism "mimics nature" in the same degree and instills a sense of comfort and security due to the fortress-like and cave-like qualities. especially when so many brutalist buildings are decorated with real plants

>>13157416
>so many brutalist buildings are decorated with real plants
thats just because they try to hide the ugliness of them

>>13157428
>build brutalist building
>cover every square inch with green plants
>would still look amazing

really not helping your case here

>>13157416

> Shows very specific example with different motifs
> hurr durr yr a cunt XD

All your doing is playing the ad-hominem game and proving very little substance. I get your too lazy to try and explain your point but you won't convince anyone.

> many brutalist buildings are decorated with real plants

The vast majority aren't it's just plain old concrete.

> brutalism "mimics nature" in the same degree and instills a sense of comfort and security due to the fortress-like and cave-like qualities

Aesthetically brutalist buildings share no resemblance to anything that could be conceived as natural. Nature doesn't build in straight lines.

>>13157432
are you some north korean troll or something becuse ive never seen anyone defending brutalism this passionately

>>13157439

More to the point brutalism is an internationalist style that pays no respect to the architectural history of it's surroundings. It's alien, out of place and only depresses the spirit.
It's a grey concrete block with very little form, how can that be considered beautiful?
>>13157452

probably a communist you grew up in eastern Europe and misses the splender of communist architecture :^)

>>13157468

who*

why does this always have to turn into an everyone against brutalism fight :(

>>13157468
jesus christ imagine having to live in there

>>13157482
they should film some dystopian film in there

>>13157481
people like different things. get over it. you can appreciate a lot of different architectural styles it doesn't have to be so black and white

>>13157495
who likes begin depressed?

>>13157479

Because like communism we don't want to see it's ugly head ever show itself again.

>>13157501
terrible reasoning, show your workings.
suddenly it's a political argument?
Now I hate communism too mind, not even a massive brutalism fanboy but it has a lot of very unique aspects & it may not be your cup of tea, but it has helped architecture evolve & you can't deny its impact.
do you not see any of the appeal others do, or are you purposefully being dense because of your communism boogeyman

>>13157500
>it doesn't have to be so black and white
>literally compartmentalizes instantly
lmao

>>13157522
>it doesn't have to be so black and white
apparently it has to be grey or begie though

>>13156732
howhigh.ru
architecture was the only thing commies did half-decent

>>13157536
only thing that commies did half-decent was killing eachother

>>13157517

> helped architecture evolve

A clear example of how not to do architecture

> do you not see any of the appeal

But anon I just don't understand the appeal. The simple fact is that there hideously ugly and an eye sore to look at. Can you honestly say that you find brutalisitc buildings attractive?

>>13157428
>decorating something = hiding it's ugliness
lmao

>>13157439
wow, all this butthurt and still no rational argument. Nice!

>>13157204
The fuck you talking about? Of course heat management becomes a problem in large buildings with a lot of windows, that's not a novel observation. There are ways of dealing with that, some better than others. Designing your building in the shape of a (wide) arch so that 2/3rds of those windows spend most of the day in complete shade is not one of the better ways. I don't know how to put this more plainly to you - THOSE WINDOWS DO NOT FACE OPEN SKY. Look at them, for chrissakes! And they won't let in much ambient light at all.

Glass facades that receive direct sunlight have downsides. That does not mean that any and all alternatives you may encounter are well-designed.

Ironically the north and south (outer) faces of that building are traditional glass facades. The building was not really designed with thermal efficiency in mind. It was designed with aesthetics in mind. It's modelled off the Arc de Triomphe.

>>13157208
where is this?

>>13157208
>>13158577
It is a regional party headquarters in the town or Blagoevgrad, Bulgaria

>>13157320
Multiple buildings, old and new, mimic nature. It doesn't make these building special

>>13157500
depression isnt real

Don't feel like posting my folder, so have my pinterest board https://ar.pinterest.com/jeremiasbazan/architecture/

>>13157084
>normiecore
imagine being such a faggot that you deny yourself things you like just because other people like them

>>13155757
Each sides of the building isn't that thick and the other side gets tons of sunlight. I don't really see a problem.

>>13157249
Here! Have another!

>>13157550
Tons of people see the appeal. It's not your taste for whatever reason but are you really gonna argue that they're objectively ugly and not a legitimate architecture movement that has inspired thousands of recognized artists in fields wider than architecture? Your argument seems to be that you hate the way they look and then not believe other people when they say they do. I LIKE how some brutalist buildings look like, believe it or not.
Not the guy you replied to btw

Brutalism and similar stiles can look fantastic, if done right and placed right. E.g. Pic related.
but yeah, living in some brutalist ghetto, not so much.

Or the SFU Burnaby campus.
I spend all my lunch breaks when I was studying there, walking around the campus and taking in the views. It works really well with loads of green (or autumn yellow and red, or snow) and with the fantastic surrounding.

>>13159665
But yes, in grey, rainy weather, it can look very depressing, if that's your "thing". (supposedly, SFU is the uni with the most suicides, so dunno if that's related. I was quite happy when I was there)

>>13159656
Not enough béton brut here

>>13156732
>reddit spacing
as much as I don't subscribe to the communist ideology, I have to agree it's the only thing they did good
pic related, the heaviest building in the world

Or the Alterlaa in Vienna. Quite interesting, and supposedly the quarter in Vienna where people are the most happy with how they are living, so seems like they did something right. I think most of the buildings have public pools on the roof and all kinds of other public/social amenities.

>>13159676
I think it is pure concrete, but you are right, the pics have a kinda pinkish tint. I'll look for some more.

>>13159697
And while that might trigger the anon that did complain about brutalism being so ugly that it has to be hidden behind green, the A-frame lower levels allow for quite large gardens for a high rise.

>>13159707
>'ll look for some more.
It's some french photographer taking pics of their banlieux: https://www.laurentkronental.com/Souvenir-d%27un-Futur/1

I certainly would not want to live there, because there are shitty people, but damn, some of them buildings look fantastic.

>>13159717
And, as a bonus, you could walk around in full Rick (he's Parrisien anyways…) and do perfect pics. Just image that pic wiht you in it, but in Guff-Ninju!

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>>13159707
>>13159697
This really reminds me of the Alexandra Road Estate (>>13156726 >>13156731), just in a much bigger scale.
Are there more places like these two?

>>13159726
>Are there more places like these two?
Most certainly, I'd think, but I can't think of some. I mean the Banlieux I posted above are in some ways similar, but seems like those don't work as well as the Vienna and London examples. Maybe the Barbican (also in London) is comparable:
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/wohnen/bauen/es-lebe-die-wohnmaschine-15286627.html

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>>13159731

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>>13157342
Ah yes because being surrounded by 2000tonnes of gothic stone is just like sitting in a forest obviously.

>>13157387
no it doesn't. This >>13157378 statuette shit looks better suited to a gypsy encampment.

>>13155494
this is a pretty satisfying building

>>13155598
i would say it is. it's pretty satisfying.

>>13157320
clutter can also depress the soul. there will always be neckbeards longing for the past, but to move things forward and to evolve as humans there need to be changes in one way or another. its a natural process.

>>13158415
where is this?

>>13158416
damn, im in love

>>13159671
>>13159665
nice. did some work up there in highschool, feels like jurassic park up there .

>>13154874

>>13154874
As an architecture student this is not aesthetical looking at all so not fa

>>13157320
>>13157342
>post good photo with decent light
>"hey guys it looks great"

>>13157387
>post shit photo with a load of clutter around and shit light
>"wow look at this you cannot deny it looks like shit"

>>13156726
Neave Brown died quite recently. Love that estate. The surrounding landscape architecture is quite interesting as well, the small rooms. It seems a bit dodgy due to lack of surveillance.

>>13159685
I also don't agree with the ideology and really like some architecture from the eastern bloc but you decided to post the.most meaningless ugly and stupid building you could.

This was built in 1933.

More photos:
http://schlamann.com/en/jobs/glaspaleis-heerlen

HELLO.

DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THE STYLE “SEVERE GOTHIC” ALREADY EXISTS, AND IF SO, COULD YOU POST SOME INSTANCES OF IT?

I HAVE VAGUE VISION OF MINIMALISTIC GOTHIC, IN GRAND SCALE, BUT I CANNOT FIND ANY CONCRETE INSTANCES, OR DEPICTIONS.

Is this /fa/?

I quite like this thingy.
Wouldn't want to live in a city made purely out of those things, butit's a refreshing mixup of the surrounding Gründerzeit houses.

and Speaking of Gründerzeit:
city quarters in that style are really comfy, if well kept.
also, really nice to live in. Currently, I'm living in a very small flat, but I have 3.5m room height (which is quite low, for that era), so it does not feel cramped at all.

>>13161133
But I can understand why no one builds like this anymore. due to the high rooms, heating is quite expensive, and you get at least one level (=one - 3 flats you can sell/rent) less per building as with "normal" height rooms.
also, all that decoration like pic related must be hellishly expensive nowadays, with the high labour costs.

>>13161135
But the various sub-styles also allow for some less decorated houses, so that could be alleviated in some way, though the pictured example is still vastly more expensive than some modern glass/concrete thing.

>>13161133
I always hated grunderzeit, feels like a mockery/pastiche of nicer baroque buildings. but you're right it's really comfy place to live in compared to usual german flats

>>13161500
fuck me that's nice. is it in japan?

>>13161519
>feels like a mockery/pastiche of nicer baroque buildings.
Well, isn't that what it essentially is? While some aspects of it (e.g. Jugendstil) are indeed mostly new, a lot of it is mock-old. And while I think archicteure should evolve and try new things, it seems like most humans do indeed have a taste for those "historic" styles, no matter if they are genuine or not. As long as you don't overdo it (e.g. >>13156678 or pic related) and allow for experimentation, I'm fine with it.

>>13159159
i've alerted the scientific community
the WHO thanks you for your groundbreaking discoveries

>>13160969
>boring city snap
>HDR processing and chinese/japanese/korean letters everywhere
never fails to disappoint

>>13155598
I don't

>>13157468
not all commie architecture is bad

>>13162319
Commie blocks in Split, Croatia

>>13160982

> i-it's just the light

nice damage control

>>13161118

> prison simulator

>>13161132

How can you like that piece of crap? What about it do you like?

Different =/= good

>>13159426
>Boullée
My nigga.

>>13155154
although its really nice and grand, i think i would feel lonely in it. maybe it just seems that way because no one is in the picture, but idk. i think it would also look better if the water wasnt as green. i like my water blue AF

still really cool tho, would love to visit it

>>13155757
when i was in Paris, i saw this building from a far distance and assumed it was a monument of sorts, like a modern spin of the arc de triomphe. i wish i had gotten closer to it now that i know its an actual building. do they have little restaurants/shops inside or is it just strictly a business building?

anyone got any book recommendations for architecture? or any architecture magazines? websites? articles? i want to read more and i dont know where or how to start

>>13162609
>How can you like that piece of crap?
I dunno…
>What about it do you like?
The round, organic form, with the many nipples/pimples and how they added an extra one to have a view to the Uhrturm from the main exhibit hall
The view from the needle across the Mur
How it integrates the old iron building on its eastside
The contrast with its sourroundings
Its always changing illumination at night…

>Different =/= good
Not always, but in this case I'd argue it is both and parts of "good" are indeed because of "different". I love old inner cities, such as in Graz, but if you are living in a musuem, with everything static and protected, it becomes boring quite fast.

>>13156745
pleb

>>13163476

You can't truly progress any field if you don't build on what came before. In architecture it's no different, architecture that never changes is boring.
In the 21st century we don't need servant quarters, larders etc. The buildings need to meet the needs of today and the future. But this doesn't mean forgetting the past or the essentials of what makes a beautiful building.
If you design for pure utility your buildings will eventually becomes useless. Because nobody likes being in ugly buildings.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4306406/Georgian-architecture-key-Britain-s-best-places-live.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailUK

>>13155598
as someone who sees this everyday, it's nothing special at all and they're not nice to look at

>>13158402
Google for best fast food style

>>13163906
*googie

>>13162800
try archdaily or dezeen

>>13164048
>>13162800
should mention that archdaily and dezeen are like the tumblr feeds specifically about architecture.

If you want nice magazines with a lot of research and drawings and good photographs, look up "El Croquis", spanish monographs on accomplished architects. Anyone who gets publisehd in El Croquis is bound to have beautiful work, should be easy to find in a local library or pdfs online.

>>13154874
My neighborhood.

What thinks?

>>13154874
Up!

>>13163879
>Because nobody likes being in ugly buildings.
Like your pic?
I would hate to live in a Lego version of a Fachwerkhaus

>>13163879
jesus this is some ridiculous perspective correction

I understand people dont like looking at converging verticals but this is just ridiculous

>>13164672
i like this black shit, i see it every morning.

Post your favorite building in your city. Mine's pic related in Atlanta.

>>13165169
i like the 100 North Tampa building. my second favorite is probably the Henry B Plant Museum

>>13165169
>steel and glass box
Well, you must live in the US

>>13161054
Dream home

>>13165169

>>13154874
I work as a HERS rater for a living, modern architecture has killed energy efficiency. While the all glass walls may look cool on the outside, they sacrifice insulation tremendously. Honestly the LEED program as a whole is a complete scam

>>13164113
Nice. Where? Netherlands?

>>13164113
>>13165661
Nevermind, I found out it's in Finland.

>>13157352
Looks like you've been
>brutalized

dear god the state of architecture on this god i terrible
> only like architecture from 18th and before
> everything modern is crap
what the actual fuck

architecture is a reflection of society and as society changes so must architecture. It cannot simply copy what we made for 200 year ago that makes 0 sense, as new needs, values, production methods, etc change one must adjust the architecture accordingly.

Brutalism was conceived when concrete became abundant and expressed a move towards a modern and new era as well as reflecting the brutal and scary world of the cold war.

>>13166307

>all these people thinking brutalism stems from the word brutal
Do you even french?

>>13166307
>as well as reflecting the brutal and scary world of the cold war.
You have any sources on that, or are you just (wrongly) thinking that brutalism stems from brutal, instead of the french term beton brut?

But other than that, I agree with you, mostly. However, it's also the architects job that people like their sourroundings and that the building is functional. And that's were many fail. I'd rather adopt something tried and old that is generally liked and working, instead of doing some stupid "L'art pour l'art" exercise in wankery that everybody that has to use it will hate. Problem is just: you don't always know it beforehand if your building will be good or crap, no matter if you are going for some modern stuff which turns out to be a unusable nightmare, or if you go for something traditional which turns out to look like some kitschy McMansion.

So, I dunno, lol…

>>13166363
no specific source iv'e probably heard it from some lecture or something at school, it does make sense. Many were inspired by the bunkers and war structures from ww2. https://www.domusweb.it/en/architecture/2010/06/15/juliaan-lampens.html


> it's also the architects job that people like their sourroundings and that the building is functional.
i would strongly argue that many of these brutalist buildings are functional, while others are more sculptural (which to is a function as evoking emotions, refrences, visions of the future etc is just as much a function)
> poeple like there surrounding
ofc, many of these brutalist buildings were experimentation of various ideas that yes they in some cases produced poor surroundings (especially the urban planning sort, brazillia i'm looking at you) but the fascination many have derives from this distopic brutal and hostile atmosphere which is often unsuitable for large urban housing. Architecture should not only be limited to cretin emotions >>13160162 is a good example were brutalism suits the function of the space evoking dramatic emotions, yet calm etc. Same as brutalist museums etc.

sculpturaly brutalism is the high point of architecture imo
i think you should nuance you view of brutalism and not merely view it as some sort of evil useless concrete for it is waaay way more than just that.

>>13166363
oh an contemporary architecture has very much adjusted to a more livable less hostile and more "natrual" form in terms of Materiality and a focus has been much more on the human scale and less grandiose scales. (jan gehl - making cities for people) as moderism and brutalism completely disregarded all rules of older architecture, contemporary architecture has re-adjusted and incorporated many of learings from older architecture

but as mere sculptures and installations they are fucking fascinating

this shitt is supervillan tier

while not brutalism hyper functionalism is also pretty dope

this should certainly forfill your ideals of "architecture should be functional" as it has been stripped down to only that

>>13166431
>>13166433
Damn, what are these? I really like the contrast in the first pic

>>13166468
1st is Nevigeser Wallfahrtsdom pilgrimage
2 is lloyds london
this is Zeitz MOCAA by Thomas Heatherwick just recently finished, its a old corn silo converted into an art museum

>>13166507
interior pic

thomas heatherwick makes some otherworldly shitt

mah crib
> made all the furniture myself

>>13166531

>>13166414
>i think you should nuance you view of brutalism and not merely view it as some sort of evil useless concrete for it is waaay way more than just that.
Oh, don't worry. I do respect brutalism and there is a lot of things with great sculptural qualities, but for every good brutalism building, there's 20 soulless, ugly, depressing and shitty piles of concrete.
Brutalism is just so incredibly easy to fuck up, it should be really handled with care and experts only.

>>13155135
you know this is just a montage right? like, no one would build something like this

>>13166428
>>13166423
>>13166414
>>13166307


Are you an edgy teenager or something? Grey blocks are grey blocks.

>>13166431

That's an architectural crime,


>>13166531

> Ikea bed

What shitty eastern European country do you hail from?

>>13155488
Buffalo City Hall, what's good senpaitachi

>>13162347
Was in Split last summer. Entire city smells like shit. Locals told me it's because of city dump.

>>13162800
try Domus too.

>>13166743
true, the junkyard is being displaced or something right now
>>13165169
>image limit
https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6140/5961034397_59258ec5b2_b.jpg

>>13165205
that's only popular because it's old. Martinkirkko is way more effay

>>13167238
No it isn't