/fa/ - Fashion

So i might bite the bullet and buy a bunch of Paula's Choice and Cerasil products over the weekend.
I'm going for a bha exfoliant, a vitamin c serum, a moisturizer with sunscreen and a toner with retina.
With oily skin, should i add anything else? Are there any face masks or what not that could potentially help with oil control?

Aw fuck how can you tell if your pores are too stretched out, o have like 2 that aren't closing up after a month of switching exfoliants and cleansers.

gonna try to stockpile some $5 RetinA (buddy of mine lives near Mexico and offered to get it next time he's down there) for any anons that might want to buy it
I used to offer it but only have enough left for myself

Bump

>>11742996
I only have slightly oily skin so I can't help you out there. However, I purchase Paula's RESIST sunscreen and serum on the regular and I highly recommend them!

I believe she has some specific tips on her site for all different skin types.

Is there any way to slow down your lips from chapping? Mine are chapped/chapping every morning I wake up if not already by the night before

>>11743591
Put some Vaseline on your lips before bed.

>>11743732
I've been using Aquaphor lip repair, and I often have to apply it twice a day

>>11743591
DRINK MORE WATER

reposting in the new thread
some backstory:
I finished accutane 6 month course like a year ago, mostly cured all my acne, left some scars that are healing, sometimes i get random breakouts and i just used to use sudocrem on them, should i move to Benzoyl Peroxide to use on single, random spots?

Also is Benzacne which contains
5% Benzoili peroxydum a good product for treating random breakouts?

>>11742996
Get yourself some oil absorption pads to use throughout the day if your problem areas start getting a bit greasy.
A side not with the BHA, you've really got to be dedicated to your routine or else it will be ineffective, the exfoliant is only as good as your worst product.

wtf facial sunscreens are fucking expensive, I go through that shit so fast.

Don't mean to shill my face but

On the lower areas of my cheeks and on my neck underneath my chin my skin has gone to complete shit and it's been this way for a while, a lot of acne/scars and irritation, the rest of my skin is smoother but around these areas it's a little more coarse and easily noticeable

help

I usually wash my face twice a day with light soap and a exfoliating and cleaning wipes but nothing seems to work. Although my selection of products isn't very extensive (at all) How fucked am I? It's the worse on the neck especially, almost covers it from the chin to collar bone.

camera quality is shitty but you can see it on the sides

>>11744402
I use Japanese ones because they have spf50 PA++++ and aren't greasy, plus they're pretty cheap on eBay. People say they don't have enough antioxidants/actives but I get those from my serums and moisturizer anyway.

How many times a day it is acceptable to wash your face?

OP says grooming so I'm assuming this goes ITT.

Any tips on how I can improve my facial hair? I'm not sure how I should groom it, as I'm planning on letting it grow a bit longer since I don't like how sparse it is on the sides.

PROTIP for acne: cut out dairy
thank me later

>>11744608
is soy milk and greek yogurt okay?

Answering some questions from the previous thread here.
>>11742163
Benzoylis Peroxidum is the Polish translation for Benzoyl Peroxide, so I'm guessing that product (or yourself) is Polish.
This solution is at a 10% concentration, but I believe you then went on to say that actually the one you are using is a 5% concentration. If your dermatologist recommended the use of this, then, by all means, continue using it. If they didn't and you are looking for a product to deal with breakouts, try starting at 2.5% BP, because it, at that concentration, gives more or less the same benefit without any excess irritation from the higher concentration. If you find that it does nothing, then go on to purchase a 5% solution. As for the application, BP should ideally be used as an all-over treatment, because it significantly helps both active and non-active pimples. As in, it prevents new ones from appearing.

>>11742228
Dry, red skin is a sign of irritation. If it's a persistent symptom, then it could be a product which is doing this to your skin, or it could simply be the natural state of your skin. Either way, look through your current skincare routine and weed out any potential irritants (artifical fragrance and colour are typical) that could be doing this. Consider introducing a toner which aims to address both redness and dehydration.

>>11742484
>>11742689
I don't really know how to address insomnia as I've had to experience with it, but definitely try the things the other anon said and if there aren't any significant results, see a GP.

>>11744329
Did you go to the hospital at all? You could have damaged nerves or small bones which might results in permanently facial scarring. You need to seek professional advice immediately.

>>11744677
Is soy milk dairy? Is Greek yogurt dairy? How dense are you

>>11742996
Did you mean Retinol for your toner? I wasn't aware you could get Retin A in a toner. Anyway, for oily skin you should consider the toner from Paula's Choice labelled 'Skin Balancing Pore-Reducing Toner' as it aims to treat both hydration issues and redness.
As I've said before, have a look at PCs 'Shine Stopper'. I use it and it pretty much stopped me from labelling my skin as combination because I no longer get oily. It's more or a less a make-up primer that soaks up oil over the day and stops your skin from appearing 'shiny'. As well, frequent use of a clay mask (i.e. 2-3 times a week) can also help reduce oil production. If you're still looking at PC, when you buy one of their other products, add 2 or 3 samples (1 just isn't enough) for their mask labelled 'Skin Balancing Oil-Absorbing Mask' and try it out. Otherwise there are heaps of other companies that make them, so consider switching them after after you finish using them.

>>11743002
You shouldn't be switching exfoliants/cleansers or any less than 2 months, because you need to give your skin time to adjust and see if they really are making a difference (ignore that if they give significant negative side effects). To answer your first question, it's a subjective matter. Do you think your pores are too large? If so, continue a consistent routine and consider adding chemical exfoliation (if you don't already do so) instead of physical because it's far more effective yet gentle for the face. If you are already using a BHA exfoliant (like that of stridex pads), consider adding an AHA exfoliant which is more targeted to surface blemishes and all over tone.

>>11743303
Hey there, I tried their Skin-Balancing sunscreen but it just burned slightly after application (I believe from the type of spf it uses) and left a white cast that didn't really dimish over the day, so I stopped using it. How does PCs Resist sunscreens compare? Have you found any burning? Does it leave a white cast?

>>11743591
>>11743926
Drinking water will certainly help any symptoms of dehydration, chapped lips being a known one. If you're already applying a product like Aquaphor lip repair (very reliable) at night as well as during the day, it could be that that particular product isn't right for you. The next time you run out, try out a different brand which uses a different approach to dealing with dry lips (e.g. you could benefit from beeswax in a product, so try Burt's Bees lip balm etc.).

>>11744350
Hi there I answered your question from the previous thread :)

>>11744402
If you're using just a single 'pump' of a product (or whatever it recommends on the back), then it should last at least a month, possibly even more if you are using hydrating toners and/or serums in your daily moisteriser. It's possible that you're finding that your spf moisteriser isn't moisterising enough, so try different brands until you find something that suits you.

>>11744411
Right down the whole names of the products you're using, or better yet, make a flow chart of the products you use. A 'light soap' could imply you're using an actual soap (BIG no-no) as opposed to a cleanser. Exfoliating could imply physical or chemical, we need to know which and what type. Are you using cleaning wiped instead of cleansing your face? Are you using them for makeup removal? What brand/type are they?
You really need to be more specific with what you're using. It's difficult for us to help when we have to do a lot of guess-work.

>>11744514
Twice is normal, once is probably not enough and three times is arguably too many.

>>11744677
Soy milk does not contain dairy because it's derived from soy and not milk. Greek yoghurt does count as dairy because it's made from milk, unless the product specifies otherwise.

>>11744741
So do I wash my face in the mornings after I wake up and in the evening when I am about to go to sleep, or should I do it differently? I'm sorry if these questions come off as really dumb, I just want to be sure and that's all.

What's the optimal temperature for water? I normally wash my face with somewhat cool water.

>>11743926
I've been drinking so much water I pee about 10 times a day

>>11744721
You give kind of bad advice. I would stop.

Where do I even begin? those spots come from when I shave, which is why I don't like shaving daily, or else I'd be covered in them. The blackheads on my nose are my biggest issue, as they're there 100% of the time. I was my face daily and tried those strips, they didn't work.

I am 23 years old and never kissed a girl.

tfw all blemishes disappear and skin completely clears out after few days of drinking and cocaine but I cannot maintain such lifestyle

If you look like the right side of ops pic, what do you do fix it and turn into the left side?

>>11744813
Yes, that's exactly right. Ideally, wash your face in the morning before going outside so too avoid sun damage. Wash your face again at night and make use of serums and other heavy products like retinol because they have more uninterrupted time to soak in. As for the optimal temperature, there is a lot of controversy. Some people say you should wash your face in warm/very warm water to 'open' pores and then just a couple splashes of cold water to 'close' them. Some people say lukewarm water is best because it's less irritating and doesn't 'dry out' your skin (though if you're moisterising right after, that's really not an issue). Take your pick and experiment, change it after 2 months of doing the same thing and see if it made a difference.

>>11744818
Are you this >>11743591 anon? If so, I don't know what else to tell you buddy. Consider switching up your products because you might find specific ingredients more beneficial to you than others. Otherwise go see a dermatologist.

>>11744822
What specifically, is 'bad advice'? Everything I've said is based on fact or my own personal experience barred shortly by a 'but everyone is different' approach.

>>11744986
Shaving is definitely a very irritating process and can sometimes lead to acne because of this. These could also be ingrown hairs, but I would treat them the same way. If your shaving routine is simply using a foam and then a cheap razor, that's probably why. Consider using a preshave oil like "Old Taylor of Bond Street" (the one without the fragrance preferably, although it only sits on your face for a few minutes) and letting it soak in (I do ~10 mins) followed by a moisterising shaving foam or gel (Nivea does a nice one) and letting that sit for a minutes before shaving. Also, shaving after showering is really beneficial or, if you shave when you don't shower, try soaking a small towel in hot watter and holding it against your face for a few minutes before going on to shave.

>>11745028
Cocaine? Because it's expensive? Yeah I guess. Skincare can be a massive expense but when you consider how much confidence you gain from clear skin and how much it can affect your everyday life, especially if you had bad skin before (compliments etc.). There are definitely affordable skincare choices, and doing anything is better than nothing. Water is very cheap and drinking plenty a day really helps most people, so keep that up. Skincare wise, do some research and find 'dupes' of popular products. Last thread someone said something about a dupe for a CeraVe moisterising lotion that was cheap and effective, that sort of thing.

>>11745067
I'm pretty certain that OPs pic is from an ad (i.e. not real), in which case what makes her look like that is makeup and photoshop.

>>11745401
>Take your pick and experiment, change it after 2 months of doing the same thing and see if it made a difference.
Thank you, this is very solid advice. I might report in after a while to let people ITT know if there is a difference at all.

>>11744692
>Benzoylis Peroxidum is the Polish translation for Benzoyl Peroxide, so I'm guessing that product (or yourself) is Polish.

brilliant! we would never have guessed

I work at a skin care store named kiehls, hit me with some questions or product recommendations (pic related, me without makeup)

>>11745617
Some person was saying that the name is gibberish or something and I wanted to clarify that it was simply not English, sorry if that came off rude/condescending.

>>11745716
I've heard of kiehls, I used to use one of their eye moisterisers (avocado oil, tiny pot, really expensive) but I found that it did moisterise but not really anything else (I think I bought it because of some YouTubers recommendation haha). Do you guys do a daytime moisteriser with spf?

I have very sensitive skin and using actually anything. I have some pimples but I deal with them by using small amounts of tea tree oil. I need a get rid of blackheads and some strange red stains.
What should I do? Right now, I only use a soap and tea tree oil.

>>11745716
routine?

>>11745875
Blackheads and red spots can be reduced/fixed with chemical exfoliation. Consider introducing either BHA (more effective for pimples and skin overall) or AHA (more effective for surface damage) chemical exfoliation in order to counteract the problems you have. Also, you said you use soap, do you mean a cleanser or are you actually using soap to clean your face? If you are, you need to invest in a well-formulated cleanser which gently yet effectively removes dirt and oil without drying or irritating the skin. Bar and pump soaps are deigned to be used on the body and are not gentle on the skin, this could be the source of your irritation (or, at least, doesn't help).

are there any producst that actually slow down aging or help with wrinkles?

Is there a natural and safe way to shrink pores and scarring? I'm trying out the potato juice method and so far it just makes my skin feel cleaner and soft to the touch

>>11745902
I'll probably choose BHA then, what % should I get? Are there any moisturizers and sunscreens you could recommend?
Regarding your question, the soap i use is supposed to be used on face.

>>11745868
Yes, the creamy eye avocado treatment. That eye cream is specifically made for hydration and doesn't have any anti-aging factors to it, it's just an introductory eye cream. Did the video say that it helped with anything other than moisture?
We have two antiaging moisturizer's that come with SPF as well as a regular moisturizer with SPF. We're currently waiting for the launch of one of our top selling moisturizers (ultra facial cream)with an SPF, it should be released before the year ends (at least we hope)

>>11745920
There are plenty of products, both over-the-counter as well as prescribed that deal with anti-aging. The cheapest and best anti-aging product is suncreen. Use it every. single. day. Rain, hail or shine. Winter or summer. And don't just use it on your face, your neck, decollete, hands, and anything exposed to sunlight is at risk.
If you already do this, then you need to look for more options and be wary, because some of them get really expensive. Most people start off with some sort of Retinol (Vitamin A) treatment, whether it be a moisteriser, serum or prescribed treatment. From there, there are more targetted treatments like fine-line minimisers which aim to fill the lines and make the area more supple. Products that contain collagen-stimulating ingredients are also beneficial, but be careful that they don't actual just contain collagen, because that, in a product applied to the face, does nothing.
The biggest thing you need to be aware of when purchasing anti-aging (or any) products is that they aren't jar-packaged. Or, if they are, they have a resealable lid (but better yet, they aren't pot-sealed). This is because exposing the product to oxygen severely damages most anti-aging ingredients and the product essentially becomes an expensive moisteriser over time.

>>11745955
DIY and at-home skincare is and can never be as effective as well-formulated skincare. Well-formulated skincare is also always 'safe' provided you're using it correctly, so that's not an issue. If you're struggling with scarring, large pores and/or acne, you need to seriously consider well-formulated skincare instead of typically ineffective at-home methods.

>>11745977
The standard is 2%, quite simply. Some companies also do 4% weekly or bi-weekly doses because they are more intense and probably shouldn't be used anymore than once or twice a week.

>>11745999
I think she said it helped her with dark circles, but now that I'm looking at it on the website, it's definitely not supposed to do that. I've had a look at the night and day dark eye circle-specific treatments and I might buy them the next time I purchase an eye treatment and see if it makes a difference. The products I am looking at specifically are 'Midnight Recovery Eye' and 'Clearly Corrective Dark Circle Protector SPF 14', what are your thoughts on them and do or someone you know have any experience with them?

>>11746076
thanks, do you have any products you could recommend?

>>11744606
nice camera man.
your beard looks good 10/10 nothing to improve about. Not sure on how to groom it since I don't grow a beard.

>>11746103
Are you the anon asking about the 2% BHA? If so, I would highly recommend Paula's Choice Skin Perfecting 2% BHA liquid. It's one of their most purchased exfoliants and the reason why /fa/ probably knows about the brand. If you're one of the other anons, let me know which haha

>>11746113
not him but ill look at this bha thing too, im a (girl) so i dont want minimize aging eventhough its up to genetics and cant be stopped

>>11746119
*do want to

>>11746100
I've personally never used the dark circle perfector, it should help with the white birch and peony but one of the main active ingridients is titanium dioxide so it's more like sunscreen for the eyes. Midnight recovery eye is definitely good for dark circles, it says puffiness as well but I feel it's mostly just dark circles. If you wanted something for lines/wrinkles as well as dark circles, I would go with powerful strength line-reducing eye brightening concentrate.

Is l'Occitane good or no? I need some kind of a moisturiser.

>>11746119
Oh okay, probably mention which person you were haha For aging or anything really I'd recommend Paula's Choice. And I know I've been called out for supporting them but they're honestly so freakin good. If you're only young and getting into anti-aging just make sure you're using sunscreen. If you're late 20s early 30s, then I'd definitely go for something with Retinol in it. You can get stronger stuff from a dermatologist, but as over-the-counter goes and for the price, Paula's Choice is my go to.

>>11746154
Yeah I did think it was more just sunscreen for the eyes, I'll probably try it on its own and see if it does anything for my dark circles otherwise I might just use the nighttime one. They're genetic, so I know they're never going away, but I can at least try haha

>>11746277
Makeup brands like L'Occitane typically are a no-go for skincare. They typically contain irritating ingredients like colour and frsgrance so that the product looks good. They also are usually pot-set, again, to look good and as I said earlier, pot-set products lose their effectiveness over time. Probably start with something that is free of colour or fragrance and won't block pores (non-comedonegenic). Go with something relatively drugstore to begin with, because these use very basic yet effective ingredients. I'd recommend Neutrogena, Nivea, CeraVe etc.

>>11746322
thanks i will try to remember the sunscreen everyday tip

>>11744692
>>11745716
It's great to have you here. Could be superb improvements to the threads.

>>11744606
>I don't like how sparse it is

I wrote a guide on beard gains here:
>>/fa/thread/S11587851#p11590791

Also consider biotin, as well as your blood pressure/possible heart conditions if doing minox. I wouldn't offer any other style advice than clean-shaven, a 5 o'clock shadow, a short trim like what you have now, and a well-groomed full beard.

>>11745028
This is so interesting and I have absolutely no explanation for this. It did remind me of this thread though, about how some people get really clear skin after MDMA use:
https://drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83978

It's not really preferable since it's so neurotoxic, though. If you're going to keep using cocaine, remember to find some without levamisole and other shit in it.

>>11744692
Nerve damage and bone damage doesn't really affect the skin that much. What causes the greatest amount of collagen deposits and various scarring issues are related to the severity of the actual trauma to the layer of the skin, and the resulting healing time.

>>11745920
Seconding the sunscreen and Retin-A, but sunscreens are generally not needed during Nov-Feb if you live in Germany/UK/Northern Canada or further north. Check the FAQ for info on how the sun accelerates the aging of the skin. Other treatments include botox (to prevent wrinkles forming), fillers, microneedling, different kinds of dermabrasion, peels, and lasers.

>>11745876
Blue herbal gel cleanser
Alcohol free cucumber toner
Iris extract essence
Hydroplump retexturizing serum
Midnight recovery concentrate (night only)
Creamy eye avacado treatment
Ultra facial moisturizer
St. Ives apricot scrub (only 2-3 times a week)

>>11746322
Well in the future you could try the line reducing eye brightening concentration. It's made with 10.5% stable vitamin c so it's the most you can get over the counter without a prescription. We use vitamin c rather than retinal cause it produces the same results, just geared more towards sensitive skin

>>11746865
But there's like vitamin C serums at 20% and 24% or something for sale in many countries

>>11746910
But are they stable? Stable activated vitamin c serums must me in an airtight dark brown container. There are serums in the us have a higher percentage of vitamin c but the difference is that they aren't stable, meaning the potency will decrease over time

>>11746076
Could you recommend some products for scarring and/or large pores?

>>11746846
>but sunscreens are generally not needed during Nov-Feb if you live in Germany/UK/Northern Canada or further north
I'd still advise the use of a moisteriser with at least spf 15 because sunlight can still damage skin even when it's overcast/not bright due to weather.

>>11746865
I'd probably rather go for something that focuses more on dark circles rather than fine lines (although, that also wouldn't be too bad) because it's my main concern ATM. What benefits does that have over the nighttime eye cream I mentioned before?

>>11746865
>>11746910
>>11747034
I also use Paula's Choice 15% Vitamin C serum which is definitely airtight however, it's in a dark orange container (but I store it in a cupboard so hopefully that's not too big of an issue). Maybe the next time I buy Vitamin C in a product, I'll consider a brand that uses the appropriate packaging.

>>11747043
For both large pores and scarring as well as acne and redness, consider introducing a BHA exfoliant such as Paula's Choice Skin-Perfecting 2% BHA which is their best selling product because of its success at doing these things without irritation.

bought hydroquinone 4%, anyone tried it before for skin whitening?

>>11745401
nice tips on shaving, really didnt know much about it.

I just got a sun freckle I'm guessing because of how tan I got this summer, this has sparked me to want to actively care for my skin. I just use cetaphil on my face in the shower right now, if I start moisturizing and using a UV blocker is that pretty much the best I can do?

I found this guy
https://www.amazon.com/SolBar-Sunscreen-Liquid-SPF-Broad-Spectrum/dp/B0013NB5WK
seems like it would be more tolerable than putting sun screen on all the time. is there any problem that it's alcohol based?

Current routine:
L'Oreal Men taurine shower gel, charcoal facewash and eye roll on in the mornings.
Nivea moisturiser in the evenings.
Lava mud face mask once a week.

What am I missing out/doing wrong?

Also what shampoo to go for?

Person with normal skin.

How to get rid of these acne scars, I had really bad acne during 17-19 years old now I'm scarred. I'm considering laser removal

>>11746322
Does retinol product slow your ageing while you are using it or does it just mitigate signs?
I.e. if I use it for ten years then stop, will I look better at 60 than if I had never used it?
Is it worth geting into in your 20s?

On a whim, I started using cocoa butter. Seems like it makes me sweat less.

Is matte sunscreen better on oily skin ? Any recommended products ?

>>11749646
Other than the acne you have it doesn't look that bad, if you wear sunscreen and exfoliate you will look good after a while. don't stress over small imperfections, def not as small as what you got

My nose is almost always bright red. I thought it was allergies, but antihistamines and corticosteroids don't do anything. How can I reduce the redness?

What products should i use for skin that is both oily and dry to the point of peeling and flaking off in the winter, along with mild acne. please help

This shit is amazing if anyones looking for a good moisturizer. Always had red cheeks and uneven skin tone and it completely changed that. Made my skin brighter and its moisturizing, god level

how do i get rid of this shit? its ruining my life and i just wanna tear my face off at this point

I've been prescribed Dalacin T the liquid solution and I've been using it twice a day recently. Just today I wanted to try it out with sudocrem so I waited for the solution to dry then applied sudocrem on the active spots, do you think this is a good idea?

>>11744986
Asking this as well, what to do about nose blackheads? Are they even blackheads or just big visible pores? I tried the sticky nose strip as well and it did wonders the first time I used it but did absolutely nothing every subsequent time, no matter how much time had passed. Exfoliating products just made my nose red and dry, maybe I'm doing something wrong. Pore reducer creams I've tried kinda work a little bit but not much.

>>11750753
>http://tuxbell.com/index.php?title=Grooming#Skin-care_Basics

>>11750753
stridex red box and youre good

>actually start working out for once
>skin gets irritated by the sweat
>wherever I shave blows up with red bumps
kill me

>>11750677
Have you checked for rosacea? Nose + cheeks are the most common starting spots for it.

>>11750687
Extreme dryness is countered with moisturizers. Heavier ones in the nighttime, lighter in the daytime. Mild acne is countered as per directions in the FAQ, for example.

>>11747202
>sunlight can still damage skin even when it's overcast/not bright due to weather

Yes, but the thing is that we simply aren't getting enough UV radiation for it to be harmful at our latitudes during the winter parts of the year. This includes UV reflected from eventual snow and such. Check this:

>In the winter half-year indoor workers received a negligible UV dose from solar exposure in Denmark and needed no UV precautions. No UV precautions are needed from November to February during holidays to latitudes above 45 degrees N, while precautions are needed the whole year around at lower latitudes.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16403106

What happens is pretty much this:
>Solar zenith angle (season and latitude) have a substantial impact on UVB radiation. At low solar zenith angles, photons must travel longer distances through the ozone layer, increasing the probability of absorption. There is also an enhanced possibility of interaction with air molecules, leading to absorption or scattering back into space, thus effectively attenuating UV radiation

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3257661/

In the following texts you can read about how even Australia and NZ has issues with /too low/ levels of UV radiation during your winters, as it impacts vitamin D levels. You'll probably notice how increased skin melanin levels (and therefore sun protection) will actually be a bad thing.

https://www.niwa.co.nz/sites/niwa.co.nz/files/example_abstract_template_0.pdf
https://www.niwa.co.nz/sites/niwa.co.nz/files/import/attachments/McKenzie.pdf

>>11750719
Best there is. Have you compared it to Cetaphil? I've tried both but I like CeraVe more.

>>11750982
can you please give me an example of a lighter/heavier moisturizer? thank you

>>11750982

It's a possibility, but I'm unsure about that. I mean, I use clindamyacin phosphate in the morning and EpiDuo at night. Wouldn't those resolve that sort of problem?

>>11747202
>>11746846
>>11745716

If you guys continue to be a part of these threads, everyone on this board will actually make it lol

This is kind of major.

My upper lip becomes crazy dry and flaky during warm, humid weather. People tell me it isn't that bad or noticeable but honestly I look in the mirror and it almost looks like a little white moustache some days. I tend to grow stubble to hide this fact.

I have tried every moisturising cream for dry skin available at my local healthcare store but it doesn't seem to help. It's only just started within the past year but I'm 20 and this feels like some puberty type shit.

Has anybody experienced anything similar? Or anyone who can provide me with some advice or products I should consider using?
pic isn't me, mine isn't exactly like this but very similar.

>shower
>African black soap
>black head remover
>indian healing clay + matcha + charcoal
>wash off

lotion with AHA in it

>>11751795
go to dermatologist.

Bumping

it feels as though i always break out after a couple of days after drinking alcohol. anyone else noticed that?
also, does anyone know if xanax affects skin in any way?

>>11742973
Guys someone please help me out. I have really puffy dark eyes. It always looks as though I'm tired. I sleep properly every night, go to bed early, wake up early. I workout, do cardio and my body fat is about 12%. I eat healthy. Yet my face looks tired and has no glow. Pic related my eyes. Please help me

What can I do to get paler skin?

>>11752876
Rub cum

>>11750982
>UVB radiation
it's not the UVB rays the ones damaging and ageing the skin. It's UVA. And whilst it's true that at latitudes lower than 45°N have little to no UVB (usually investigated since it's necessary for Vitamin D production, and darker pigmentation), it's almost irrelevant as per aging goes.
So yes, in winter non-indoor activities can damage your skin with no UVB benefits. Sadly the first paper refers to UVB as "UV", that's incorrect. All the UV spectrum (and the whole light spectrum) is filtered, but UVB is the only component that is filtered so much to be negligible. UVC is the UV component that it's always almost completely filtered, UVB is the component that is completely filtered out when the sun reaches some SZA, UVA is the UV component that always makes its way to the ground (more filtered when the sun is low on the horizon, but still).

Never use SPF as an indicator of anti-aging. SPF protects only against burning, and burning _per se_ is not aging. It's way worse to receive a bunch of UVA radiation without UVB burning and alerting you.

About SZA, UVA and UVB this is a primer
>http://www.elvex.com/UV%20A+B.pdf

>>11752908
>that at latitudes lower than 45°N have little to no UVB
(in winter)
>aging
*ageing

I got chicken pox about a month ago and it leave me several nasty scars on my face, somebody know something to get rid of them?

>>11752916
See this
>>11752894

Can I use a piece of TP or my fingers or something to apply liquid exfoliant? I'm a guy I don't have fucking cotton

>>11749324
Cleansing in the shower is fine, but you'll probably find that doing it in a sink will be more beneficial because you'll focus more on cleansing properly, also try using a wash cloth (face towel etc.) with warm water and your cleanser for a much more efficient cleanse (maybe just do it at night though, because some people find that cleansing too thoroughly morning and night can be irritating). Using a sunscreen daily will definitely benefit the skin (for ageing mostly but also to stop the sun from preventing your skin from healing itself), however, the product you listed has alcohol in it which is an irritant that some people find to severely dry out the skin, and it generally shouldn't be in any skincare product.

>>11749613
I haven't looked specifically at your face wash, however it says that it foams and also it's by L'oreal which is better known for make-up rather than skincare because they frequently contain irritants to make the product look/smell better. Consider investing in a well-formulated cleanser which gently yet effectively removes oil, dirt and make-up without irritating the skin. The eye roll, however, contains Vitamin C and caffeine which are both (not sure on caffeine) products that lighten skin (thereby reduce eye circles), so I would keep using that. In terms of skincare, you are missing a lot. You are missing a toner, chemical exfoliant (or any exfoliant), BP (if you have acne) or other acne-fighting product as well as a daily moisteriser with spf in it. The same advice I gave before probably applies to your face mask, though I'm not sure because you didn't list the brand. As for a shampoo, you want whatever is supposed to help your hair (and scalp). If your hair/scalp are dry, or you get dandruff, go for Head and Shoulders (conditioner too), as they are GOAT for this problem. As for oiliness, most shampoos help with this but some are especially good. In order to prevent oiliness, you should be shampooing and conditioning (cont.)

Alright you niggers I will pull the trigger on some products. What do you suggest on someone with oily skin and acne? My routine atm is non existent I just wash in the morning and at night with fragrance free olive oil soap.
I'm guessing Paula's Choice shit? How many products do I need? A wash, a moisturizer and sunscreen? Wouldn't the sunscreen make my oily face look even worse? How do I get rid of the acne?

>>11752934
Le Petit Marseillais shampoo does wonders for my hair. My hair used to be oily in the morning if I showered @ night now I can even go even 2-3 days and still not have oily hair.

>>11752863
Bumping, any help is appreciated

>>11749613
(cont.) a maximum of twice a week which is enough to keep the hair naturally healthy without stripping it of its natural oils. You can tell a good shampoo, by, when you use it in your hand, it should be soft, and when you apply it to your hair, it shouldn't lather too much, because then it probably contains Sodium Lauryl Sulphate which is a known irritant. Go for sulphate-free products which won't dry out the hair excessively also.

>>11749646
Before you consider Laser, which can be very expensive. Definitely consider chemical exfoliation which, over time, significantly reduces and removes scarring as well as dealing with uneven tone and acne (active and non-active). You could benefit from both BHA and AHA usage, but BHA is typically what most people go for, as AHA only deals with surface damage (BHA does both). You skin will naturally heal itself, but using a well-formulated skincare routine consistently, you will see results. Just thought of it, but also use a sunscreen daily to prevent sun damage and stop the sun from stopping your skins natural healing processes.

>>11749673
The answer to your question is yes. If you start using Retinol now, you will look 100 times better than if you didn't at say, 60. Retinol does both, it slows down the ageing process (of skin obviously) and, if used consistently and with a good skincare regime, will reverse the appearance of aging skin. It is worth getting into as early as possible because it can also fight acne and other things that a lot of teens face (pun intended).

>>11749690
I think you'll find DJ Khaled fully recommends the use of Dove shower products, and I would fully agree with him.

>>11750057
Yes. Products labelled matte typically contain ingredients that absorb excess facial oil or prevent its production in some way. I use an oil-free Neutrogena day time moisteriser with spf 15 and it being oil-free means that I'm not producing excessive oil, so my skin looks better at the end of the day. (cont.)

>>11752957
Can you please help me out. >>11752935
What do I start with. Btw thanks for taking the time to answer to people here.

>>11750057
(cont.) However, I also use other products in combination with this to stop the appearance of oily skin. I'd recommend buying a different daily spf moisteriser (irritant free, well-formulated etc.) each time you go to buy one and find one that works for you.

>>11750677
As the other poster said, you could have rosacea. However, I would (if wanting to avoid a dermatological visit, which can be pricey) read through my products and make sure non contain known irritants (colour and fragrance are the two most common) which could be slowly affecting your skin's appearance. Chemical exfoliation is also amazing for reduction of redness and so is a well-formed toner, so check you've got those happening as well.

>>11750719
I can't get CeraVe in Australia so I'd have it order it online, I'm deciding whether or not I should do so just because of the hype :( Though it doesn't have antioxidants, it has basically anything else you could ask for in a nighttime moisteriser.

>>11750753
There are a number of things you could be doing that you shouldn't be. Or things that you aren't doing that you should be. Be more specific.

>>11750759
I have no experience with either but you should 100% have asked/should ask your dermatologist who prescribed you Dalacin T before doing/adding/removing anything from your regime.

>>11750768
I've already answered this, but if you're finding exfoliating products irritating, then they probably contain irritants. Or, if they don't they may be too strong (i.e. 2% AHA as opposed to 8% AHA daily). If you're struggling to kind the right kind, change it every time you go to buy the same product and see if you find that makes a difference. If you are still having trouble, consult a dermatologist.

>>11750803
In an ideal world, you should work out before you do your skincare routine (so before showering or washing your face) so that the sweat on your face is effectively washed away. If you simply cannot, you should use some sort of towel (cont.)

How do I sort out Keratosis Pilaris? It's nothing major, just splotches on my back/chest and a little on my nose/chin. My chest specifically feels sensitive due to it and any form of exfoliation irritates the skin heavily. Not sure how to cleanse the little shits as I've had it for a few years now and it's been the cause of my bacne in a few instances.
I want to gym but it's making me insecure. Gains will probably be made redundant by it and acne scarring.

>>11750803
(cont.) to remove sweat during the work out and then some sort of cleansing wipe afterwards to remove sweat entirely. As the for the shaving issue, I responded to an anon who had more or less the same issue (acne from shaving) and I answered his question there.

>>11750982
>You'll probably notice how increased skin melanin levels (and therefore sun protection) will actually be a bad thing.
I'll read into this, seems like using a sunscreen even in winter would be a good idea.

>Best there is.
It doesn't contain antioxidants, so it's not the 'best' but it has pretty much anything else you could want and no irritants and it's cheap, so, that said, it's pretty awesome.

>>11751187
Lighter moisterisers are those simply feel 'light' and don't contain excessive moisterising ingredients, opposite for heavier moisterisers. What is 'light' for you might be heavier to another person who has oily skin.

>>11751696
I think I already answered your problem above.

>>11751717
That's what we're here for! :D

>>11751795
I used to have this EXACT sort of thing around my mouth and I found that over the day it'd get worse and worse. I found that the weather used to impact it a lot and so consistent use of spf moisteriser (heavier around this area) along with a moisterising serum with antioxidants and other beneficial ingredients stopped it in its tracks. Product recommendation wise, I use a day moisteriser by Neutrogena (it's their one labelled oil-free and it has spf 15) along with an antioxidant serum by Paula's Choice (specifically, "Resist Ultra-Light Super Antioxidant Concentrate Serum") and also a Vitamin C Serum (but that probably won't help with dryness, though it might - also by Paula's Choice).

>>11751812
Never use bar soap on your face. I didn't look it up, but it almsot certainly contains irritants (colour, fragrance are typical) as well as products which keep it in shape that are bad for the face. Consider a well-formulated cleanser that gently yet (cont.)

>>11752993
moisteriser even for oily skin ?

http://www.perfectpotion.com.au/index.php

Anyone got experience with this skin care range? Not sure if it's a gimmick or not, they base their products around a natural approach.

>>11751812
(cont.) effectively removes dirt, oil and make-up. Provide your blackhead remover as well and I can give that a rate too. Same goes for the indian healing clay, matcha and charcoal. These products contain buzzwords and sound like they were bought on a whim based on the recommendation of some popular, "organic" skincare user like a YouTuber. You need to use well-formulated skincare on a consistent basis to see the results you desire. Also provide your AHA lotion brand/name.

>>11752715
If you're noticing regular breakouts despite a good skincare regime, it definitely could be some sort of drug or medication that is doing this to you. I would try not drinking alcohol for a week or two (hard that may be) and see if that does in, and then you'll know, if it doesn't it could be something else. Maybe it's the type of alcohol you're drinking (e.g. beer)? If none of this works, consult a dermatologist.

>>11752863
Dark eye circles like these are almost certainly genetic considering your lifestyle. However, you'll certainly notice that they'd be a lot lighter if you apply sunscreen daily and include products which utilise Vitamin C, AHA and/or Retinol as these have all been proven to plump and lighten skin. Also, pat in any eye creams/serums, don't drag your fingers, because your eye area is very delicate and doing this can tear blood vessels which can make your skin appear even darker. If all these fail after consistent use (~1/2 months), you could then go on to try different products see which works more effectively, or, if you're out of options, see a dermatologist to discuss laser/chemical peels/botox to reduce the appearance of your dark eye circles.

>>11752876
Vitamin C, Retinol and BHA and AHA products are all effective at brightening skin. Applying sunscreen daily will stop the skin from becoming any darker as it will stop the skin from naturally tanning, while also providing anti-ageing and other benefits.

>>11752908
I'll definitely read more into this, but surely a sunscreen labelled 'broad spectrum' would have to provide both types of protection otherwise it's more or less lying, right?

>>11752915
Ageing con be spelled either way depending on your level of retardation (i.e. whether or not you are American).

>>11752916
I've already answered questions like this a million times so I'd (as well as others) really appreciate if you'd read answers to other similar questions before asking. Most skin scarring can be reduced/fixed over time by the consistent use of well-formulated AHA and/or BHA chemical exfoliants. If the scarring is so severe, you may have to consult a dermatologist to consider laser treatments or skin peeling treatments which address your concerns.

>>11752929
>I'm a guy I don't have fucking cotton
>Implying it's feminine to use sterile products on your face
>Implying it's feminine to not have acne
>Implying other implication
You're probably wearing cotton right now. Go buy some, jesus. However, using toilet paper or paper towel folded up can be a good way to apply facial toners/exfoliants at a spur-of-the-moment. But you should consider buying cotton pads (I recommend swisspers cotton pads, the 'eco' labbeled ones, same price, don't tear, help the environment, much better in general) because they are so much more convenient and probably a whole load more sterile than using toilet paper or anything else. I'd recommend not using your hands because they can never be as sterile as packaged cotton pads or even toilet paper/paper towel.

>>11752935
Using that olive soap you mentioned is probably doing nothing for your skin, or, potentially making it worse due to the likely presence of irritants in it.

>>11752961
No problem, I'm bored and also spend too much time researching skincare to put it to waste not helping other people who haven't. People have given me shit for it, but I'd highly recommend Paula's Choice. They're one of the only brands to be (cont.)

>>11753115
I don't think it has any irritants. Just two ingredients saponified olive oil and glycerine from olive oil. What else should I start adding to my routine ? Is this thing bad should I remove/change it?

>>11752935
>>11752961
(cont.) completely honest about what their product does as well as what it contains. They never use known irritants and even recommend products from other companies where they have found their products to be more effective (or just something that they don't have).
Anyway, to answer your question, the most basic skincare routine needs to contain a cleanser, toner and moisteriser, that's it. For more advanced routines, you can apply your cleanser with a clean face towel, separate (or add, depending on what you had) your toner into a toner and a chemical exfoliant (or two, one BHA, one AHA) and add a serum (or two) into your moisteriser (daytime needs to have spf) for antiaxidant/other benefits. As well, you can add spot-treatment, but if you're doing all of that, it's probably unnecessary. Before I go on to talk about oiliness specifically, Paula's Choice have (I think) people who can live-chat about the right skincare routine for you (based on the information you give them) and provide product recommendations (not just from Paula's Choice, but I can see why they'd have a bias) based on that. For oiliness, a weekly or biweekly clay/mud/drying mask of some sort can help with preventing excessive oil production, in addition doing the other things I listed like regularly cleansing etc. will also help to balance skin's hydration. In addition, using products that aim to reduce oil production or its appearance will help (like oil-free moisterisers etc.) along with a make-up primer of sorts like Paula's Choice 'Shine Stopper' applied with a makeup pad will significantly help the excessive production of oil (as in, I don't consider my skin oily anymore because of it).

>>11752939
Which type of Le Petit Marseillais shampoo do you use specifically? I will look it up.

>>11752943
Answered above.

>>11753012
Keratosis Pilaris (KP) can be tackled a number of ways, but chemical exfolation is best. If you have been using a well-formulated chemical (cont.)

>>11753155
Le Peitit Marseillais, Shampoo with extracts of white clay milk & jasmine

>>11753155
I can't seem to find the live chat. Also that's a bit overwhelming. I'm thinking of adding stuff in "layers" after I've got used to a product and work towards a full routine. What would be the thing you think would make the most impact? Or is it just useless if you don't have the full routine?

>>11753012
(cont.) exfoliant free of irritants, there is no reason (other than a higher concentration of the active acid - i.e. 8% AHA as opposed to 2% AHA) that you should be getting excessive irritation (some is expected, you are applying acids to your skin). If you're struggling to kind the right kind, change it every time you go to buy the same product and see if you find that makes a difference. If you are still having trouble, consult a dermatologist.

>>11753055
I'm not certain which anon you are and also what your question is so please be more specific next time. Guessing you're >>11750057 and asking about whether or not you should use moisteriser even if you have oily skin and the answer is yes, you definitely should. Well-formulated moisterisers keep your skin healthily hydrated while preventing excess oil production and dryness. Feel free to look up the effects of moisteriser on oily skin, studies show (don't quote me on this) that using moisteriser can, ironically, help already moist skin (especially after efficient cleansing).

>>11753056
Just from their website and product names, they seem like one of these many
"organic" skincare rages that add excessive irritants like colour and fragrance which are really bad for skin in general. As I suspected, I'm looking at one of their moisterisers which contains alcohol and lavender oil as well as a bunch of other incredibly irritating ingredients. I personally would stay away but if someone got you a gift card or something, you'll have to check through their ingredients before putting anything on your face (maybe go for a hand/foot cream or something, even then I'd be iffy - I have eczema).

>>11753126
Nothing looks particularly bad, I looked up both ingredients (couldn't find Sodium Olivate but I imagine it's glorified olive oil, which isn't horrendous, just not the best) and it doesn't look too irritating, so if you want to continue using it, I'd have no objection; however, if you find it irritating(cont.)

>>11753115
>surely a sunscreen labelled 'broad spectrum' would have to provide both types of protection otherwise it's more or less lying, right?
right
I was just challenging the sentence
>we simply aren't getting enough UV radiation for it to be harmful at our latitudes during the winter parts of the year
You are always getting UVA radiation (at least if you spend time outdoors) even in winter and even at latitudes above 45°N; and it may be even worse if you don't have UVB in your UV radiation, since you'll getting all the UVA without realizing it
If you tan (in summer) you should always try to tan _around solar noon_ and _without SPF_ (except on face, neck, shoulders and other sensible regions) - 15 minutes at solar noon may provide a better and safer tan than tanning for two hours at 4 PM. The fact that the sun is "lower on the horizon" means that you'll tan less but you will still get a lot of UVA, and comparatively more UVA than UVB.
>http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/03/26/maximizing-vitamin-d-exposure.aspx
>Much is filtered out by our atmosphere. So due to the physics and wavelength of UVB rays it will only penetrate the atmosphere when the sun is above an angle of about 50° from the horizon. When the sun is lower than 50°, the ozone layer reflects the UVB-rays but let through the longer UVA-rays.
(I don't like to cite mercola but there are some take-home points about this)
Also, there's a confusion between UVB (responsible for Vitamin D and melanin) and UVA (responsible for ageing)
>spelling
oh right, I try to use Brit spelling (I'm not a native speaker, you may have already guessed that)

With regards to your comment about the Perfect Potion Moisturizer here >>11753203 , is there a difference between plant based alcohol (ethanol as stated on the website) and others, if there are any, and since they use Lavander as an aromatherapy substance in their product, is there any skincare benefits at all or is it just an irritant?

>>11753126
(cont.) or simply (as I imagine) not very effective at cleansing, I would switch it out for a better formulated cleanser, like that of a more reputable brand (Paula's Choice, Neutrogena, CeraVe etc.)

>>11753175
I can't find any ingredients listed on amazon or a bunch of other websites, it's also not listed on Le Petit Marseillais' website, so I can't make an accurate assessment on the product; however, a lot of people seem to have had positive results, but I'm not certain it might be to find it outside of France (I live in Australia).

>>11753181
I completely understand, the world of skincare is understandably overwhelming at first, but you'll get used to it and I'm sure the guys at Paula's Choice will help you out. This (http://paulaschoiceau DOT custhelp.com/app/ask/session/L3RpbWUvMTQ3Mzg2OTMzMi9zaWQvVGM3NlRDLW0%3D) is the Australian Paula's Choice website, but I'm certain it's much the same for the US or wherever you are (I think the US website ships worldwide). Go to their "Help Center" tab up the top and then on the rightside about midway down is a "Contact Us" section with the live chat link, it could be unavailable (outside working hours) right now depending on where you live.
You could definitely add products progressively, but you'll find the best results from using all the products consistently.

>>11753205
Awesome information, glad to know I'm the doing the right thing and still using spf even in Winter. Maybe this >>11750982 needs to stop spreading the opposite, as it's evidently not true. As for the spelling thing, I was mocking another user, not yourself, you can spell it ageing or aging, either works.

>>11753227
No. Not really, anyway. Companies that put "Plant-based" alcohol on their labels and it their products would heavily argue otherwise, but they're the same, just a very irritating ingredient. The only way lavender oil could be used in a way that it doesn't irritate skin and to provide "Aromatherapy" benefits is to have(cont.)

>>11753227
(cont.) it used solely in products that smell nice, and that's it. As in, if it were being used in an oil burner, for example. But their "Fine Tuning Solutions", or, glorified toners, would still be a no-go because they too contain highly irritating ingredients (maybe wear it as a perfume or something, idk spray your house with it).

>>11753268
Would you recommend a papaya enzyme based body wash for keratosis pilaris as it actively breaks down protean? Something based on the lines of this?

http://au.iherb.com/Nubian-Heritage-Body-Wash-Coconut-Papaya-13-fl-oz-384-ml/15733

What should I be using in conjunction with a chemical exfoliant as well? I was looking at this product since I thought papaya enzymes were good for breaking down protean for exfoliation, which is what keratosis pilaris is primarily comprised of.

>>11753076
Thanks man, appreciate it a lot. I'll try it out. Sucks that it's genetics

Think of your skin as if it were a 1992 Geo Tracker, the official car of /fa/. To make sure it keeps its showroom shine, you need to wash it in stages. A deep scrub but not so abrasive that it causes damage to the clearcoat paint. Rinse. Get all the hard to reach spots such as behind the mirrors and around the engine bay. Use a milder cleaner for the wheel wells and rocker panels where rust has been known to accumulate. Rinse. Do a second coat of a milder, foamier cleanser once the car has been exfoliated. Rinse. Finally finish with a nice clearcoat of moisturizing wax to give it that polished, showroom shine. Rinse. Congratulations you now have a beautiful face and a beautiful 1992 Geo Tracker, the official car of /fa/.

>>11752934
Thanks man, appreciate the advice

So i have a couple dollars left and i dont realy have a routine but i go a light acne, any ideas? Is pic any good?

>>11753115
>I've already answered questions like this a million times so I'd (as well as others) really appreciate if you'd read answers to other similar questions before asking.

you dont have to act pretentious just because you spam the same answers in the threads

I am the anon that freaked out in the beginning of the last thread.

Will get to choose between pulsed light and laser this Friday.

My PIH / PIE (probably PIE) is very superficial and the oldest is from July. I have no acne scars or active acne anymore.

My skin is pale and oily, not considered to be sensitive.

What should I expect from both of them?

>>11754170
Also, I had a Jessner's peel a few weeks ago.

>>11753251
>Awesome information, glad to know I'm the doing the right thing and still using spf even in Winter
Glad to be helpful
Also
>http://time.com/3924609/sunscreen-spf-uva-uvb/
>“UVA is around every day
>Like UVB, it’s also related to an increased risk of skin cancer, but unlike UVB, it’s not filtered by the ozone at all
>UVA doesn’t cause sunburn, but “it really leads to darkening and aging, because it penetrates deeper into the skin and has more influence in the collagen.”

Anyway there's this notorious problem with SPF: it indicates only how much UVB it's blocking. A broad-spectrum (chemical) sunscreen with a SPF 30 may be performing not so good against UVA.
Also, some of the "broad spectrum" actually block some UVA II but won't block UVA I
It's also rare to find PA+++ certificated sunscreens (it's barely a certification and it's not a standard)
Chemical sunscreens with Avobenzone were used to focus on filtering UVA exclusively. Chemical sunscreens are anyway pretty rare today unless they aren't used in some other skin-care products*.
>https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Avobenzone#section=Pharmacology-and-Biochemistry
>https://www.ewg.org/skindeep/ingredient/700596/AVOBENZONE/

Physical sunscreen are commonly used (they are much more convenient to apply and possibly they are not absorbed by the skin)
Titanium Dioxide blocks almost exclusively UVB. Zinc Oxide blocks UVB, UVA II and UVA I. Usually you'll find both in physical sunscreens. There has been a querelle about so-called "nano" variants, but today those are considered always safe (and safer than chemical sunscreens)
>https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/14806#section=Therapeutic-Uses

*There are some after-shaving balms for men containing no-alcohol, a moisturiser and/or a petrolatum and some SPF protection. If they contain Zinc Oxide, it's the kind of UV protection we want. It there's Butyl methoxydibenzoylmethane (Avobenzone) it's ok but it may degrade during the day

Hi I have really oily skin, what products would you recommend I use for my face wash/toner/moisturiser? What kind of ingredients should I look out for ?

Thanks!

>>11753290
I've not had that much experience dealing with KP, but, for a cheaper option, I'd be going for a good quality loofah (or cleansing puff, they have different names) and a cheap-yet-effective (these typically have few but beneficial ingredients without fragrance) body wash like that of Dove's Triple Moisterising Body Wash (IMO it's the GOAT of drugstore body washes) because this will give the body a natural exfoliation while delivering moisterisation that leaves the skin supple and smooth.
For a more pricey but probably well-worth it experience, I'd look to companies like Paula's Choice which cater to people with KP and I'm sure they have a body wash that would benefit you. Speaking of PC, and to answer your second question, they have an after-shower (or even when you don't shower) quick-drying BHA spray for the body that helps bacne as well as KP. I use it and, at first, didn't notice any difference, but after about 2 weeks of consistent use, my shoulders (where I was breaking out, not badly, but enough for me to want to do something about it) were smooth and clear apart from the odd spot. I notice if I haven't used it in a day or two because I started to get bacne again. Don't know exactly how it works with KP because I don't have it, people it's rated quite well.
I had a look at the product you listed and it looks pretty good (bar some flower extracts that some may find irritating), give it a go and report back here definitely! Or go with a drugstore version, or do both, keep trying products till you find something that works for you, everyone's skin is different.

>>11753296
Yeah, I know, it does suck - I have 'em too.

>>11753304
That was very funny to read bar some things like double cleansing and physical exfoliation which made me cringe.

>>11753380
No problem :)

>>11753485
There's no problems that I can see with the basic skincare regime you've made. Could be better, could also be much worse, have fun!

>>11753746
I literally kindly asked that you read the answers to people who have posted similar questions so as to not bloat the thread with excess, repeated information.

>>11754205
So Zinc-oxide is GOAT and PA+++ certification is a must? Good to know, will highly consider that the next time I purchase a daytime moisteriser.

>>11754288
Is your skin also sensitive? You should be using a gentle yet effective facial cleanser from a reputable brand like that of Paula's Choice, Neutrogena or CeraVe. A product I would recommend is Paula's Choice Pore Normalising Cleanser. For a toner, I would suggest a well-formulated, hydration-controlling, pore-reducing and redness-removing toner/astringent. For a product recommendation, I would recommend the use of Paula's Choice Skin Balancing Oil-Reducing Toner. If you want to also add a chemical exfoliant that deals with acne, acne scarring, blackheads, redness, large pores etc. I would recommend the use of a BHA chemical exfoliant like that of stridex pads or Paula's Choice 2% BHA liquid. For a daytime moisteriser, use a product that is non-irritating, contains spf (specifically, zinc-oxide and PA+++ certified, if available) and reduces either the appearance or the production of facial oil over the course of the day. Now that I know that a daytime moisteriser need to contain both of those things, I no longer have a product recommendation, so do some research (as I surely will). For a nighttime moisteriser, you need to opt for a jar-less product that contains antioxidants, glycerin, ceramides, cholesterol, and hyaluronic acid which will effectively moisterise the skin without irritating it. I don't have a specific product recommendation but look towards the brands I listed just before and stay away from makeup brands like L'Oreal etc. which typically contain colour and fragrance (irritants) that make the product seem more appealing.

>>11753115
It's not that I'm afraid of cotton. It's just that I don't have any. I'll pick up some pads tomorrow however. Will probably pick up the gel version when/if I rebuy though. Pads seem like a wasteful way to apply the toner, and the gel is also recommended for oily/combi skin

btw you've been answering many of my questions over the last few days and I really appreciate it. Thanks

Not sure if I should ask this question here. Is there something like unscented shower gel? I can't find anything like that, also, what's a good unscented deodorant? I have some nice frags and I think it would be a good idea to switch my deodorant and gel.

Can someone recommend a good cleanser? I've used quite a few by this point and all of them seem to literally do nothing. Pic related is what I'm using now. I'm in Europe so I might not find some products.
Also, I noticed that when in college, which features stress, shit sleep, shit eating and drinking like a tool I had way better skin. Now I eat more varied stuff, get good sleep and I'm not stressed and my skin has gone to shit. I might just go to a dermatologist.

>>11752908
>it's not the UVB rays the ones damaging and ageing the skin. It's UVA

Both UVA and UVA damage as well as age the skin a lot, but in different ways.

Example on the UVB damage:

>UVB radiation has been shown to produce 8-OHdG, the most common ROS-induced DNA damage, and one that is highly mutagenic if left unrepaired.

Exemples on the photoaging/elasticity effects by UVB:

>Hyaluronic acid content in epidermis and dermis decreases 3h after a single UVB exposure due to increased degradation and decreased synthesis of HA.

>UVB radiation may contribute to wrinkle formation by inducing fibroblast elastase via cytokines released by UVB-exposed keratinocyte or directly by UV radiation.

Exemple of UVA effects:

>Elafin, a molecule found in actinically damaged skin, has been shown to be induced by UVA in fibroblasts in vitro.

>UVA radiation causes DNA damage, such as CPD and 8-OHdG and induces photoaging.

Source:
http://www.anti-aging.gr.jp/english/pdf/2009/6-8.pdf

As for both:

>Even short term, low UVA and UVB exposure can impair skin elasticity and inflammation and edema are characteristic of this process.

http://cdn.intechopen.com/pdfs-wm/45002.pdf

(both of the studies above can be found in the FAQ)

>[...] and darker pigmentation

Both UVA and UVB contributes to increased skin pigmentation in different ways.

>it's almost irrelevant as per aging goes.

Please see the texts above to understand why it is in fact very relevant.

>Sadly the first paper refers to UVB as "UV", that's incorrect.

The study doesn't refer to UVB as UV as the study doesn't even mention UVB. It just notes this:

>The measurements are expressed in standard erythema doses (SED) normalized to 298 nm [...]

It's a composite of UV exposure from all of the UV-A/B/C range, or as the WHO would like to call it:

>an erythemally weighted measure of radiant exposure [measuring " biologically effective UVR"]

http://www.who.int/uv/health/solaruvradfull_180706.pdf

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>>11754754
>winter non-indoor activities can damage your skin

Not really on the latitudes I mentioned during that time of the year, evidently. The WHO worldwide UV Index has more information on that, too:

http://www.who.int/uv/intersunprogramme/activities/uv_index/en/index3.html

That index compiles biologically active UVR, and the ratings are at 0-1 index values for the months I mentioned.

If you're interested for specific data for subtropical areas too (specifically Queensland), check out "Understanding the UVA environment at a sub-tropical site and its consequent impact on human UVA exposure, Kimlin et al":

>In summer (December to February), the peak daily UVA exposure was 205 J cm^2 and in winter (June to August), the minimum daily value was 19 J cm^2.

The UVA exposure in this study is documented to be about 90% lower in the wintertime.

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>>11753205
First of all: the image posted promotes the notion that UVA doesn't cause burning, and that UVB doesn't cause aging and wrinkling - while both wavelengths cause all of these issues in different ways (like I wrote about above). It may be a good idea to post some other kind of educational image in the future, as it is easy to get things wrong when over-simplifying things.

The notion that sunscreen is required in the winter due to UVA exposure is promoted in the news release here:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/new-data-reveals-skin-damaging-uva-radiation-is-present-during-every-month-of-the-year-77565047.html

But unfortunately that's a great example of bias in "science", as the brand name of the UVA-protectant Parsol 1789 (avobenzone) highlighted by the news release is also trademarked by the company that paid for the study. Classic product promotion by having researchers on a payroll.

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>>11753251

>Maybe [STHLM] needs to stop spreading the opposite, as it's evidently not true.

Don't worry - I'm well-read.

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>>11754754
>>11754759
>UVB damages the skin too
Yes, but chances are you're not overexposing to UVB rays to a point that it's damaging, if you care enough not to burn/if you know how much you can expose without burning. You can't do the same with pure UVA, since UVA doesn't burn your skin. Chances of over-exposure are real.

>The study doesn't refer to UVB as UV as the study doesn't even mention UVB
I was referencing the second study you linked, and that study mentions Vitamin D and UVB (the only UV ray promoting Vitamin D)
You cited that study to "reinforce" the previous study you linked, concerning "Ultraviolet radiation exposure pattern in winter"
but SZA has a different impact on UVB and on UVA. Both are filtered, only UVB is "nullified".

>Not really on the latitudes I mentioned during that time of the year, evidently. The WHO
>UVR
I beg to differ. A reduced overall UV radiation may promote longer outdoor activities. As for myself, I physically don't feel comfortable being in the sun in summer for more than ~10 minutes but I'm ok with staying outside (e.g. for a 1 hr run or more) in late autumn / winter. I gladly extend my exposure x10 when the SZA is low, and I feel that's how many people behave (especially people pale like me).
Also, many people tend to expose themselves to the sun when the SZA is low in summer too, under the perception that they are receiving less damage. They are receiving way more x10 UVA than a limited, direct exposure at solar noon (maybe using something to hydrate or retain the skin hydration and nothing else)
The very same first paper you linked originally ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16403106 ) referenced only indoor activities. And the same paper concludes that "precautions are needed the whole year around at lower latitudes", evidently for "indoor workers" (!) too.

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>>11754754
>>11754759
>>11754924

>First of all: the image posted promotes the notion that UVA doesn't cause burning, and that UVB doesn't cause aging and wrinkling
That pic just illustrates the primary effect and impact of both, and it's good to promote the notion that UVA rays shall not be neglected since you aren't going to be burned by them.
Anyway, I duly note your concern.

I'll be reading your contributions more in depth in the following days, it's pretty late here. Thanks for the reply and most of all for the serious reply.

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>>11754428
I guess they are kind of wasteful, but I buy the enviro-friendly ones (which are recycled, I think) so I don't feel too bad about it. I guess you could use the gel, but I think some people don't find that as effective, whatever works though. You're welcome!

>>11754473
Ideally all skincare should be unscented but I totally get why people like a nice-smelling shower gel/wash. Can just be irritating, though there are products which contain natural, non-irritating fragrance, rare they are. What you probably want to look for is a body wash, not a shower gel (more or less the same thing), something that's a creamy texture and usually used along with a loofah for a more natural and environmentally-friendly way to exfoliate the body. I use and recommend Dove's Triple Moisterising Body Wash, which is free of fragrance and colour (though it does smell nice) and quite cheap. Those sort of cheap, drugstore-esc body washes are probably your best bet because they use a few, simple yet effective ingredients and no added irritants.

>>11754527
The product you posted looks like a massive gimmick just FYI. 3 in 1 and with a crapload of buzzwords as well as having SA (useless in a cleanser) just sounds like the worst cleanser imaginable. Also, it's by Garnier which is more known for haircare rather than skincare because they use fragrance and colour and other irritants all the time. I'd recommend Paula's Choice Pore Normalizing Cleanser, which gently yet effective removes oil, dirt and traces of makeup without irritating the skin. Also, just know that you don't want your skin to feel absolutely squeaky clean after cleansing, because that probably means that the product is doing too much, there is a limit. As for your skin being better in college, it's probably due to your age. Also, just cleansing every morning and night, while good, is not going to cure any significant acne. Go to a dermatologist if you like, but they'll tell you what I just did.

>>11754759
>>11754928
I'll let you and the other guy argue it out, because I'm not well-versed enough in the complexities of what you are talking about, I just want an effective sunscreen, goddamnit!

Bumping

Any skincare connoisseurs able to recommend me their favorite moisturizers?

>>11754336
Yo in relation to the puffy eyes, would applying I've help? Or is ice bad?

>>11756262
I wouldn't necessarily say that it's bad, but probably not beneficial. I haven't read into it and so could be incredibly wrong, but I'd say ingredients that calm and cool like caffeine, aloe vera, sea whip, willow herb etc. would benefit the tender skin around the eyes and certainly do so in a more gentle fashion than ice would. I've also heard that the caffeine from used tea bags can be beneficial to puffy and dark eyes, as a safe DIY method (probably don't do much but couldn't hurt to try).

Can anyone recommend pHisohex cleanser?

76 days on 10mg accutane per day, still breaking out and the hiperpigmentation heals slower while on accutane, any tips to heal faster besides sunscreen and hidratation?

>>11754754
>>11754759
>>11754928

I'll divide the argumentations in two blocks:
1) UVA vs UVB damage
2) UVA in winter (at various latitudes AND at low Solar Zenith Angles (SZA)

Let's start with block 1.

>Both UVA and [UVB] damage as well as age the skin a lot, but in different ways.
>Example on the UVB damage:
>Ex[a]mples on the photoaging/elasticity effects by UVB:
>Ex[a]mple of UVA effects:
Your point in this section is: UVA and UVB both damage the skin. You are drawing a sort-of equivalence. You were challenging my sentence
"it's not the UVB the kind of radiation that's damaging and ageing, it's UVA".
I've already addressed that the main difference between the two is that you can over-expose to the second kind, and you won't over-expose to the first kind. Sure, if you actually burn your skin, you've damaged your skin; if you don't burn your skin (limiting your exposure to UVB to a predefined amount time or *over time* using SPF) you have benefits possibly outweighing the damages. Maybe I should have phrased like this: "it's not UVB the kind of radiation we should worry more about for ageing, it's UVA".
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>>11756873
UVA doesn't provide any kind of benefit, and it's actually more damaging than UVB in the long run.
>http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0190962295901841
From the paper itself:
>These findings suggest that relatively small suberythemogenic doses of UVA and UVB result in cumulative morphologic alterations. At suberythemogenically equivalent doses the UVA-induced alterations exceeded in magnitude those provoked by UVB, suggesting that the spectral dependence for cumulative damage does not parallel the action spectrum for acute injury (erythema) in human beings.
And concludes with
>Furthermore,a high-SPF sunscreen in combination with full-spectrum UV dosing does not protect against UVA-induced cumulative changes.
My focus here is on
>At suberythemogenically equivalent doses the UVA-induced alterations exceeded in magnitude those provoked by UVB, suggesting that the spectral dependence for CUMULATIVE DAMAGE does not parallel the action spectrum for acute injury (erythema) in human beings.
(emphasis added)
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>>11756877
Now, let's get at the "FAQ's papers" you cite:
>http://cdn.intechopen.com/pdfs-wm/45002.pdf
>Even short term, low UVA and UVB exposure can impair skin elasticity and inflammation and edema are characteristic of this process.
The full excerpt would be
>Berardesca and Maibach confirmed these findings using controlled ultraviolet (UVA) treatment and showed that even short term, low UVA and UVB exposure can impair skin elasticity and that inflammation and edema are characteristic of this process
The referenced paper is
>http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1468-2494.2012.00754.x/full
No mention at all of controlled UVA treatment nor of low UVA and UVB exposure. Like, none at all. So, that "paper" uses fake or erroneous references.

>http://www.anti-aging.gr.jp/english/pdf/2009/6-8.pdf
You cherry-picked a bunch of excerpts. From the introduction:
>UVR has been divided into ultraviolet B (UVB: 290-320nm) which principally generates pyrimidine dimer type DNA damage through direct absorption and ultraviolet A (UVA: 320-400nm), which indirectly produces base oxidation via UV-induced ROS. Recently, UVA radiation at high dose is reported to produce cyclobutane pyrimidine dimmers.
You referenced
>UVB radiation has been shown to produce 8-OHdG
but it seems you skipped
>UVA exposure most characteristically results in ROS and base oxidation of DNA, including 8-OHdG
This kind of damage is more characteristic of UVA. You also seem to have skipped
>Thus, the primary difference in damage between UVB and UVA radiation is that UVB yields primarily CPD [...] and (6-4)PP with SOME 8-OHdG, and UVA was reported to yield primarily oxidative (DNA) damage in the form of 8-OHdG with minor amounts of CPD
>the yields of CPDs by UVA radiation was reported to be ~3 fold higher than that of 8-OHdG upon UVB exposure.
UVB produces "some" damage (CPD & (6-4)PP), UVA typically brings that "highly mutagenic" 8-OHdG damage. When paired with UVB, UVA performs a x3 damage on CPD.
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>>11756890
Here, about your claim
>Both UVA and UVB contributes to increased skin pigmentation in different ways.
"Different ways" is kind-of reductive.
>UVA induces immediate tanning and PERSISTENT PIGMENT DARKENING through OXIDATION of pre-existing melanin or melanogenic precursors
(emphasis added)
>UVB induces tanning, which takes a few days or longer to observe and requires activation of melanocytes
there's "tan" and "tan".

In this same paper,
>Further, it is shown that the yearly exposure dose of school children not using any specific photoprotection in USA and Japan is roughly 150 MEDs to 300 MEDs 112). Exposure to UVA is of particular concern because the UVA energy reaching the earth’s surface 90-99% of the total, UVA passes through glass, and only decreases by 50% in winter. Further, UVA radiation causes DNA damage, such as CPD and 8-OHdG and induces photoaging as mentioned EARLIER.
(emphasis added)
That's why I stress the importance of UVA over UVB (and this is not an "Pearsol-sponsored" study, but I'll address this later in block 2 - I'll just anticipate that I don't like "bias" assumptions on peer-reviewed studies, for starters), I'll add more on block 2.

I may add on this block 1 too later
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>>11756890
>UVB produces "some" damage (CPD & (6-4)PP)
Also,
>UVA radiation is known to produce CPD and 6-4PP at around 1000 times higher dose than UVB.
Anyway,
>These DNA damages are repaired efficiently after cessation of UV light. Nearly 100 % of 6-4PPs are repaired at the first 6 h, and CPDs are repaired about 50 % at 24 h.
The same paper references
>http://www.jidonline.org/article/S0022-202X(15)33316-9/pdf
for the conclusion that
>repeated suberythemal UVR exposures on human skin have been shown to induce significant DNA damage in epidermal cells and even sunburn erythema after consecutive exposures
so that receiving
>Suberythemal doses of UVB (several minutes to a quarter of hour exposure at noon in summer)
in order to
>produce vitamin D3 (Vit D3) for daily calcium and bone metabolism
(not just for bone metabolism, btw) would be not justified. Anyway, the referenced study doesn't address UVB and it puts an emphasis on UVA protection. The study seems to underestimate the role of naturally-produced d3 (I need to add on this).
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>>11754973
Garnier dude here, I'm going to change my routine to Paula's Choice plus a benzoil peroxide cream. Think that'd work against mild acne?

Do I actually need to buy stuff for my facial skin? All I do is periodically wash it with normal soap and cool water. Sometimes I get dry skin after this , so I put a bit of coconut oil (I'm a guy)

What is actually good to use and aren't bullshit beauty products with chemicals that do fuck all?

>>11756369
Ok thanks again m8

>>11754973
>>11754473
Thanks for helping me out once again.

What's the verdict on Aveeno's and Eucerin's body lotion lines?

I have severe sun damage on my nose. it's really bad. any advice?

>>11758493
i love aveeno
i have disgusting dry skin and it works pretty well on me, nice matte finish so i'm not looking shiny all day

>>11757243
I use rosehip seed oil and argan oil

>>11757243
if ur skin is fine u don't need anything EXCEPT sunscreen

sunscreen it up bro.

>>11751795
it's seborrheic dermatitis, nothing to worry about. i have that shit but if you go see a dermatologist as soon as possible he will give you some creams and that's it. you must stay calm or it'll become worse, stress is what generates this skin problem

>>11758506
aloe vera cream, twice a day til it gets better :)

So I tried Paula's Choice's 8% AHA and I don't think it agrees with my skin.

Any other chemical exfoliants that are worth consideration? My skin is pretty sensitive. Pic related. The rash I got after patch testing.

>a guy i know recommends african black soap for my acne and i go for it like an idiot
>only now am i hearing that bar soap is bad for that
would have dropped it anyway because i overwashed last night and spent today extremely dry AND covered in acne

also, is this good? or should i switch it out with the gentle cleanser?

>>11760160
It's good shit, good if you want to err on the side of caution anyway. hard to fuck up with using it anyway.

>>11760179
alright, thanks. i'll keep a consistent routine with it and without the black soap and see how it turns out. will probably invest in some blotters too because im out of the house for most of the week

How the hell do I get rid of hard sebum without opening a wound on my skin?

I already had a treatment to remove the marks left by my ''intervention''. I don't want to do this anymore. However, if I don't force them out, I will eventually get a pimple (inflamed), which will take weeks to completely (if completely) disappears without leaving trace.

I do have a solid routine, I do exfoliate, I do wear an oil free sunscreen, etc. So I don't think it is a problem with my products. The main issue is when the pore is already clogged and I must get that crap out before it makes my skin swollen, red and turns into a pimple.

>>11760448
Also, pic related but not as yellowish nor as big.

How do incorporate Vaseline into my skin routine?
Currently doing the basics, AHA, BHA, cleanser, moisturizer.
Do I apply the Vaseline after the moisturizer before bed? It's what I did on half my face last night and I woke up being slightly smoother on the side with Vaseline on.

help pls

>>11760654
its not really a problem. those are all sebacous filaments, they naturally form and are technically impossible to get rid of, so don't bother using physical methods like picking or strips because they WILL return. you can minimize their look through chemical exfoliation like a BHA. Easiest method is the stridex 2% salacylic acid pads. the red box.

Just thought I'd let all the gurus in these threads know that we're all very grateful for their advice. Considering the usual climate on /fa/, /skin/ is surprisingly very lovely because of the helpful few.

>>11760654
Bump pls

I started using this bullshit because my stupid gradma started selling them, but it has been a life saver

Literally the best skincare routine i've made, and i've using them for only a month

Have anyone use it?

>>11760654
Thats not a real problem you cuck
People here having scars and red pimples, give me a break

>>11756459
I can't find a list of ingredients anywhere, but I did see that it has alcohol in it (maybe benzoyl alcohol is different) which is a very drying ingredient on the skin. The cleanser uses an active ingredient and some people have said that it burns. If you're wanting to try it, it's not that expensive and it's rated pretty highly, so why not give it a try.

>>11757209
What specifically are you going to change? Do you mean you'll be using just a cleanser and BP? If so, you will probably need a moisteriser because BP tends to dry out the skin. Paula's Choice offers a really basic 3 step process (targeted at teens who cbf with a full-on routine) which is just a cleanser, BHA chemical exfoliant and a BP solution, so, if you want, they have a pack that contains these three in a discounted box and it comes with oil-blotting papers (PCs oil-blotting papers work but they're apparently very average) as well as a like 'rate your acne' thing, I think. PC is kinda expensive, but I use a bunch of coupons and stuff to really dramatically reduce the price. For instance, using an account with them, you can set your B'day to tomorrow and then they'll give you 15% off and free shipping which can be (although they say it can't be) combined with other offers (you get one for signing up to their email subscription service) and also the $15 off deal that they have so really bring the price down. But, to answer your question, A simple cleanser, BP and moisteriser should be enough to counteract mild acne, but adding a chemical exfoliant (stridex pads etc.) couldn't hurt.

>>11757243
>>11758649
What this guy said. If your skin is literally perfect and you have no issues with acne, hyperpigmentation, redness in general, large pores, KP, scarring etc. then obviously what you're doing is fine. However, to avoid the dryness, never use a regular soap on your face because they're not designed to be used on the face, which is much more delicate than the rest of the body.(cont.)

In need of some serious help
Theres alot of acne scars on my face cause by scratching and pushing blackheads with my finger, how do I lighten them or even completely clean them out? Is it even possible tho

>>11757243
(cont.) Also, with regards to your comments on products in the beauty industry, you musn't be using the right stuff. If you're having issues from doing what you're doing, I can see why. There isn't a single product that deals with literally all problems (in the future, maybe it's possible) which is why you need a range of products to deal with the problems you and others might have. They don't do 'fuck all' and there are plenty of people (most, that is) that benefit from skincare.

>>11757782
>>11757956
You're welcome!

>>11758493
tl;dr on Eucerin is that their eczema relief cream and their Daily Replenishing Moisturizing Lotion are the only good ones. The rest of their stuff is shit.
tl;dr on Aveeno is that their Daily Moisturizing Lotion, Fragrance-Free is bare bones but not shit, could be much better. Again, the rest of their stuff is shit.

>>11758506
Sunscreen. Suncreen will not only stop it from getting worse, but also allow your skin to naturally heal itself without the sun stopping it. To reverse how it looks, consider chemical exfoliation (stridex pads etc.) which will also help reduce any redness/uneven tone that you might have. A good and gentle toner will also help to calm the skin. Your moisteriser (and every product you use) shouldn't contain any irritants that make the skin more irritated.

>>11759757
My skin is sensitive too, so I feel you. After I use it (ESPECIALLY after shaving), I find it burns a bit too, but do understand that you're applying acids to your face, so that is expected. If I were you, I wouldn't throw it out, use it just at night and in the morning you'll probably find that your skin won't be red. If that still doesn't work, try using it just once every 2,3,4 etc. days or just once a week. If you find it still too irritating, contact Paula's Choice and you'll be able to send it back and they'll refund the product :)

>>11760616
Bump pls

>>11760160
>>11760179
>>11760186
Cetaphil's Gentle Skin Cleanser is definitely not 'good shit', it's a very irritating cleanser that contains several known irritants. It, however, is better than doing nothing. You need to stop buying things based on the recommendation of a single person like your friend or this anon, do research before you spend your money. A good, basic and cheap cleanser that has mostly everything you could want is CeraVe's cleansers, most of them are highly rated and don't contain irritants.

>>11760448
If you want/need them out that bad, talk to a dermatologist. Take in the products you use and they'll tell you if you're doing anything wrong. If you're not, they'll prescribe or recommend a procedure to have them removed in some way.

>>11760616
I don't know what product you're using by Vaseline, but it almost certainly contains irritants. Vaseline's body lotions are alright, but their face products are crap. Some claim fragrance-free but aren't, others contain colour and other nasty irritants. Look elsewhere, I'd advise, maybe your moisteriser is not doing everything so switch that out for another product.

>>11760654
>>11760789
More or less what this guy said. Effective cleansing, chemical exfoliation, moisterisation etc. Any well-formed skincare routine should be able to deal with how 'bad' (I say that because they don't look that bad) these look. If not, see a dermatologist and they will prescribe/recommend a product/treatment to deal with them.

>>11760852
ty <3

>>11760987
tl;dr it's expensive shit, and by shit, I mean shit. It has irritants galore and although it does (moisteriser-wise) contain antioxidants, the price doesn't justify it and you'd have better luck elsewhere.

>>11761145
>scarring
Search the thread, I've answered this at least like 6 times. It most definitely is possible.

>>11761215
My lips, they swell, dry out get, worse over night, crack and just generally look horrific
I drink a decent amount of water 3-6 litres a day and have used various different lip balms all which usually just make it less annoying but not any different to look at

>>11761215
I've got ACOs white Vaseline.

>>11761156
Could you recommend me some skin products in the same prize range?

>>11761156
I think I my have used too much of it. I'll definitely try another patch test in another 4 days.

>>11761156
How is the Eucerin Intensive Repair for Very Dry Skin?

>>11761247
you should shave that makes lips less apparent and you should use something like Carmex

>>11761247
>>11761524
First off, you have really naturally plump lips, so always look on the bright side! But also, to reiterate what the other anon said, try carmex if you haven't already, it contains Salicyclic Acid which is a chemical exfoliant and slowly exfoliates your lips throughout the day. As well (because idk if carmex does a lip balm with spf), consider lip balms which contain spf because they will stop the sun from stopping your skin's natural healing methods. Also, are you sure you meant 3-6 litres of water a day? Because that's getting to the point where that's actually too much water. I don't really have any other advice apart from what I just gave you other than look around more and consider different brands which (e.g. Burt's Bees use beeswax) contain alternative solutions to dry lips. If none of this has worked, definitely see a dermatologist. Also I don't think shaving will do anything.

>>11761290
Oh okay, I thought you meant a product by the company Vaseline, my apologies. I tried looking up the product you mentioned, but it's all in Norwegian which I do not speak. But if there's any way you could provide me with the products ingredients, I'd be more than happy to help!

>>11761303
Sorry which anon were you?

>>11761366
If you have the actual bottle of stuff, one pump is plenty you just have to be quick (but still gentle) in getting it allover the face and upper neck. If you're using the sample sized packets, I think (from memory) that just one or even 1/2 is plenty to use on the whole face.

>>11761524
>Very bad, simply put.
They test on animals, for starters. The second (and worse) part of that moisteriser is that not only is it good, it's actually bad.
"This body lotion is not recommended because it contains the sensitizing preservative system Kathon CG (methylisothiazolinone and methylchloroisothiazolinone). This blend is contraindicated for use in leave-on products (Sources: Contact Dermatitis, November 2001, pages 257–264; and European Journal of Dermatology, March 1999, pages 144–160)."
>tl;dr don't use it
If you don't want to be wasteful and throw it away, I'd use it as a hand cream or something, maybe.

How to use PC cleanser? It IS meant to be foamy out of the bottle right? How much am I supposed to use for my entire face?

Do you apply it carefully with one finger? I'm used to just larther up my hands with cleanser and massage it in but the PC one is a bit too valuable for that I think

>>11754928
>Thanks for the reply and most of all for the serious reply.

You're very welcome. Thanks to you, too.
As for the rest of the discussion, I'll pastebin my response to avoid spamming the thread too much:
http://pastebin.com/7CceyJwP

>>11760852
Cheers

>>11761215
>Cetaphil's Gentle Skin Cleanser is definitely not 'good shit'
>very irritating cleanser that contains several known irritants

The Cetaphil Gentle Skin Cleanser is among the best cleansers available on the market today. For most people it is not irritating at all to the skin. As for irritant content, you should check the FAQ for information on paraben safety as well as the section on ingredient toxicity.

>stop buying things based on the recommendation of a single person like your friend or this anon

Cetaphil, together with CeraVe, is recommended by multiple dermatologists in various dermatological texts because of their high quality. It would probably be wise to try to apply your message to yourself and not tell people to not use certain products just based on your own "single person" opinions.

The Cetaphil cleanser specifically has (among other things) been shown to not increase TEWL or reduce epidermal barrier function in rosacea patients, as well as being able to reduce acne lesion counts in acne vulgaris patients. It's great.

>I don't know what product you're using by Vaseline

"Vaseline" has become the genericized trademark for terminological clusterfuck that is semi-solid petrolatum for a couple of decades now. Same thing as with "chapstick" (lip balm), for example. It just has one ingredient, petrolatum, that is composed of various long hydrocarbons.

>>11760616
>>11761290
It's great, since it's the simply common petrolatum. Use it in the evenings only at the end of your routine, as it'll look really strange on your skin if you apply too much of it in the morning. If you're using a lighter moisturizer before it, just let it sink in for a couple of minutes first.

>>11759757
That's one of the most common bad reactions to AHAs. If I were you, I would just dilute it 1:1 with water and then use it from there. If a spot test gives you those results, then you will not benefit from applying them "every other day" or so. You just need a lower concentration.

>>11761156
>try using it just once every 2,3,4 etc. days or just once a week.

That won't work. If you get those kind of results from a one-time spot application, then it's not like you will get a less bad reaction just because you use it on as big an area (or bigger) less often.

>>11761290
BTW, you may be interested in this:
reddit.com/r/NordicSkinCare/comments/34f24n/the_ultimate_list_of_swedish_skincare/

Do I need to wait 20 mins after applying exfoilant? I get conflicting info on the internet. The offical Paula's Choice guideline is that you can apply stuff right away right?
What do people here do?

>>11761879
>you can apply stuff right away right?

Just let it dry first.

>>11761775
I use my PC (or any) cleanser by making sure, first, that my hands are clean by washing them with some sort of hand soap. After that I wet my face (I use a headband to keep stuff out of my hair - but if you're a girl a hairtie should do it) using warm water and take about a 20c piece (I'm Australian, but like a dime? quarter? idk whatever is enough to get slightly foamy but not like you're using a carwash on your face) and put it on the tips/ends of my fingers and use gentle (not too gentle though) circular motions to get it all over my face. Most (I believe) PC Cleansers (not sure which one you're using) don't use particularly foamy ingredients because they tend to dry out the skin. You certainly can 'lather' it up by working it around your fingers/hands before applying it to your face if you so wish, but it's not necessary. You don't need a slot of cleanser for your face, it's a pretty finite area so don't think you need enough to cover your whole face - in fact it's probably better that you don't use too much.

>>11761782
>The Cetaphil Gentle Skin Cleanser is among the best cleansers available on the market today.
Cetaphil tests on animals, for starters. This cleanser also uses Sodium Lauryl Sulphate which is a known irritant (I'm not arguing this - it is) as well as not being very good at makeup removal, despite its claims.
>For most people it is not irritating at all to the skin.
This is because everyones skin is different, I could just as easily say that the crappiest cleanser available might not irritate my skin despite it containing 100s of known irritants, but to someone else, it could be incredibly irritating and could even be the source of someone's current skin state.
>Cetaphil, together with CeraVe, is recommended by multiple dermatologists...
I did not ever imply that either of these two brands are not reputable. (cont.)

>>11761782
(cont.)
>It would probably be wise to try to apply your message to yourself and not tell people to not use certain products just based on your own "single person" opinions.
I, if giving a product recommendation based solely upon a person asking for one, usually preface my recommendation by saying something along the lines of "but everyone's skin is different so try other products", if I don't it's probably because I can't be bothered typing it or because I should think most people use common sense. If you're referring to my consistent recommendation of Paula's Choice, I've already defended my stance, so I suggest you scroll up.
>The Cetaphil cleanser specifically has (among other things) been shown to not increase TEWL or reduce epidermal barrier function in rosacea patients, as well as being able to reduce acne lesion counts in acne vulgaris patients. It's great.
Any cleansing is better than no cleansing.
>Vaseline
Thanks, I didn't know this and thought they were using a product by Vaseline.
>It's great, since it's the simply common petrolatum.
Again, I thought they were using a product by Vaseline, but then I looked up what they said and I think you might be misinterpreting what they're saying because I believe they're talking about a product with Vaseline/petroleum in the product rather than vaseline/petroleum just by itself.
>That won't work
(In regards to AHA)
He did say he may be applying too much, which is why I recommended the usage as well as decreasing the frequency. There is definitely a reason that some chemical exfoliating (and even physical exfoliating) products recommend not using them daily, because they can irritate the skin too much for daily use and/or strip the skin's outer layer to be used daily without the skin being allowed to heal itself before using the product again.

>>11761879
>>11761893
No, is your answer. You don't even have to let it dry if you don't want, though I and many others like to because it gives the feeling of the product fully 'sinking in'. I can't imagine that it would be a significant issue if you didn't wait because it's all going to sink in eventually, right?

>>11756459
>>11761107
I retract my statement about the alcohol (Benzoyl Alcohol) in this product to be potentially irritating as it has been proved otherwise and is a naturally occurring alcohol in some fruits and teas which is completely safe. But the other thing I said about burning is just a simple detail I noticed some people said in reviews. Definitely patch test first before trying it as I see nothing wrong with it (I still can't find the ingredients to it).
Apologies to anybody that I purposefully didn't recommend a product to solely on containing this alcohol in it.

>>11762077
CA, what's your say on nasolabial lines and eye bag lines? They are really ruining my skin. I think the cause of the eye bags and nasolabial lines is because of poor maxilla but is there anything I can do to fix it? So far I've been using BB cream to cover it up but I want a fix. Do you think laser treatment would be a good idea? Any products you recommend? Thanks based anon

>>11761964
A higher pH product could deprotonate SA

How often should one use a body scrub vs a body wash?

>>11761894
Please see:
http://pastebin.com/D0mGsLi8

>>11761956
>I think you might be misinterpreting what they're saying because I believe they're talking about a product with Vaseline/petroleum in the product rather than vaseline/petroleum just by itself.

Not really. ACOs Vitt Vaselin is from my country, and I've used it myself. It's just pure vaseline. Pic related.

>>11750753
stop pretending to be me you fucking aspie

>>11762295
Please keep this off-topic drama out of here.

Is there any way I can go back to my skin tone?
I'm asian, so I'm not THAT white but my skin was light but been exposed to the sunlight this summer got me really dark. What do?

Is tapping or massaging products better for the skin? I assume massaging would increase the chances of sagging and wrinkles later in life, right?

>>11762195
For these or any unwanted facial lines, the best thing skincare can offer is chemical exfoliation and the consistent use of sunscreen. Because fine lines fall under the 'anti-ageing' label, there are, of course, a billion companies and products that claim they have the fix to these and many other concerns. Of course, there are definitely products that contain such things as niacinamide and retinol which are very beneficial to both the prevention of but also dealing with current fine lines and other anti-ageing concerns. Do some more research and avoid makeup brands like L'Oreal etc. which always claim the have the best thing for anti-ageing because they almost always contain fragrance and colour to make the product more appealing and, more than not, are jar-set and so have their ingredients potency reduced from exposure to air (unless they're airtight when closed/have re-sealable packaging, but even then I'd look elsewhere). If, after trying various (sometimes really expensive) skincare methods to reduce the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles, definitely turn to your dermatologist to recommend the best method of removal. Do note that they can get expensive and can have massive repercussions including bleeding and pain, but that is the ugly side of the world of beauty.

>>11762224
Yes, I'd agree but certainly that doesn't really translate to how quickly you should let a product dry? Or are you saying that you'd need to let the toner do its thing before applying SA? In which case I'd agree but still doubt waiting a considerable amount of time before applying it.

>>11762238
It depends on the type of body scrub and how gentle it is. If it's something DIY or even over-the-counter which is very harsh and uses, say, sugar to physically exfoliate and you are using a lot of force to exfoliate, then probably only once or twice a week (unless your skin can take it) because otherwise you might notice redness/sensitivity. (cont.)

>>11762314
no, facial massage stimulates circulation and prevents wrinkles, if anything

>>11762238
(cont.) If, however, you're using a loofah with a body wash and you find the exfoliation mild at best, then daily is fine. Make your own choice based on how your skin reacts, but if you find any signs of irritation, maybe reduce the frequency and see if that makes a difference.

>>11762294
(I'm not responding on pastebin because I cbf)
>We're discussing product efficacy and safety - not ethics.
Yes, but would you recommend a product that tests on animals, knowing that the product isn't the best cleanser on the market? I know it doesn't concern the products efficiency, but still.
>It's all dependent on exposure/dose
Even with a small dosage, there is still a risk that it can be irritating and so, because we're talking about it being better than other cleansers, that definitely brings it down a notch because there is a possibility that it can irritate because of this ingredient.
>The main features of the product [...]
Except that, on the back of the product, it's 2nd thing that it says it removes is makeup effectively, so they're basically lying.
>it's one of the least irritation-prone cleansers
>it contains known irritants
Pick one.
>[...] superior to most other alternatives.
I'll give you that it's better than rubbing Elizabeth Arden's New Irritation-In-A-Can, but it's till not good.
>[...] you only recommended a decrease in application frequency.
That's exactly what I did. And I was suggesting that maybe the reaction is due to him having used too much of the product.
>I wasn't arguing against decreasing application frequency, I only explained that the irritation wouldn't decrease because of that alone.
My last remark addressed this.

>>11762312
Sunscreen and Vitamin C, other products can also help to lighten skin, but these two are best for preventing additional darkening and also to even the skin's tone. Chemical exfoliation, probably also helps with this. See a dermatologist if no skincare remedy works for you.

>>11762314
>>11762353
Either really is fine, whatever works for you, really. Some may argue that massaging (to some degree - pilling may occur) is better because of it stimulates the blood's circulation, but then there's not that much massage that's actually done, you'd be better off getting a facial massage.

>>11761720
Im the mary kay fag >>11761303

>>11762505
Okay, well then I have a lot to work with because that price range is at the higher end of skincare. I'll probably get shit for it, but I'd still recommend Paula's Choice for skincare, as I believe it's the GOAT. It depends specifically on what you want to treat (ageing [most expensive], acne, scarring, redness, large pores), so if you could provide your skin type (sensitive, oily, dry, combination etc.) that'd really help but you can look on their website and guess which one (i.e. Resist Anti-ageing, Clear Blemish Control, Skin-Balancing etc. they're pretty self-explanatory) is best for you.

>>11743591
Bag Balm on your lips, way better than Vaseline. The stuff has worked miracles with me.

>>11762387
>would you recommend a product that tests on animals

Yes. I leave it up for people to make their own ethical decisions.

>[...] that definitely brings it down a notch because there is a possibility [...]

All ingredients have a capacity to act irritating. That a skincare ingredient has been determined to be a "known irritant" only means that it is generally more irritating than certain other substances that have been tested. It's not a binary concept. Cetaphil is loved by many, because it works for them and doesn't irritate their skin. The SLS content doesn't seem to be a problem.

>>it's one of the least irritation-prone cleansers
>>it contains known irritants
>Pick one.

I don't need to, because that's simply not how cosmetic science works. There are many ways to reduce the irritation potential of a formulation, and the irritation potential is never dependent on one single ingredient. It would be good if you could read up more on how product formulation alters the workings of the products on skin, if you're going to spend time on giving skincare advice to people who need help.

new to this. recommendations for moisturizers with spf? or even just suncreen that doesn't smell

>>11762567
i live in miami

>>11762580
kiehls works for me. really light

sticky has a few suggestions

>>11762532
Thank you anon, you're doing gods work, keep it up

Sup Loud Jina

Hey I'm new here's and I just advice on a skin care routine that will clear up my acne within 3 months

>>11763315
ay you blasian?

What should I be looking for in a good moisturizer?

What makes Korean products inherently better than Western ones?

any suggestions to improve my routine? I've done benzyl 2,5% for like two years and didn't see results so I switched to using retinol 0,05% retin a cream. its been a month with no results. I moisturize with cerave am 30 spf.

Why is CA such a tryhard STLHM

>>11763315
>If Oily skin, Double Cleanse
AM:
-Wipes (Cetaphile or Stridex but since you're a GRRL i.e. you use makeup, get Neutrogena oil/makeup cleanser)

-St. Ives Fresh Skin Exfoliator (3 times a week for 1 min)

-Cetaphile Normal Oil Skin Cleanser (for 30 Seconds then rinse off)

-Cerave Oily Skin FOAMING cleanser (30 secs)

-Cetaphile moisturizer/ sunscreen (But it has gotten me pretty oily but I work out a lot too)

PM: Same shit except you use the Exfoliator only in the AM.

P.S. Get a mud mask and use a dab of pic related with it on the 1st of the month and 15th

p.p.s if you want some 10/10 skin care products shop at here: sokoglam . com
Koreans are P E R F E C T / 10 when it comes to skin care. It makes no sense for me to order from them since I am going to boot camp in a month
>Marine Corps

>>11763735
forgot this
https://sokoglam.com/blogs/news/15008477-tutorial-the-double-cleanse

cerave is the best shit, prove me wrong

>>11763735
Koreans have way different standards than most of the world, they like oily skin and shiny skin. They also lather on bb cream.

u also seem to cleanse ur skin too much imo and cetaphil is overrated, cerave is much better (like literally better in ingredients.) AND cheaper

Is there like a /fa/ approved sunscreen? I could really use a recommendation.

Hello,

What's the most recommended vitamin C serum for getting rid of PIH?

BP 2.5% is working for me, but I wonder if I should switch to retinol, since it has anti-aging properties?

>>11750753
>tfw acne despite showering
Are you retarded? It doesn't work that way. That you are stupid enough to think it works that way makes you deserve your acne.
Ugly attention whore.

What to do about SFs on nose? I have white skin and they look so bad...

>>11763771
yes, the sticky has plenty of good ones

>>11764023
C21.5
Timeless Skin Care 20% Vitamin C Plus E Ferulic Acid Serum
Vitamin C serum 22 by serumtologie

are you sure you have PIH ?

>>11764157
just use BHA or vit c to lighten it

How is the Dove Men's body wash line?

Any tips for using hair removal creams?

>>11763735
>-St. Ives Fresh Skin Exfoliator (3 times a week for 1 min)

Stopped reading right there. This will overexfoliate and dry out your skin

>>11764837
i have pih, are bha and vitamin c serums the way to get rid of those marks?

Do all physical sunscreens leave white casting? Are there any that don't? I'm pretty sure the chemical based ones make me breakout, but I don't want to look like Michael Jackson in the morning.

How do I remove those black spots from my nose?

I heard there are strips you can buy but I don't want to look like a faggot

>>11765672
Those are SFs. I don't know what to do either...

>>11765672
both blackheads and SFs are removed/made smaller and lighter by using cleansers and salicylic acid exfoliations... clay masks are also great to get the gunk out.. I started cleansing and exfoliating a couple of months ago and my pores on the nose are SO much smaller now

How am I supposed to be properly diluting essential oils? Do I just dump them in my hands and rub them together or is there some other method?

Anyone know how to minimize my pores size?

>>11766849

gene replacement

>>11764952
not this guy, but I too would like to know the opinion of those that frequent my favorite Madagascan chicken recipe forum

>>11764837
>are you sure you have PIH ?
No I'm not sure, I just have red marks left over from cystic acne that are taking a long time to fade (which I think BP made worse), so I'm looking to speed up the process.
Should I be looking at BHA instead?

How the heck do I fix this shit? Nothing seems to work. I've tried just about anything, but my skin keeps being terrible.

I clean my skin and moisturize (only use a little bit so my skin doesn't become too moist) twice a day and I use a sunscreen.I also exfoliate 3-4 times a week. I've also tried toners and night serums, but they just made my skin even worse.

It's pretty much a lot of smaller acne scars, blemishes, oil and huge pores, and whatnot.

Obviously it doesn't look AS BAD in normal lightning and not as close up, but it's still an issue. I just want smooth skin.

Is my only option to see a dermatologist at this point?

>>11767589
What products are you using?

I'm going to South East Africa in two weeks. My skin is really fair and pale and I'm quite worried about it. But after having read a few healthcare Blogs there seem to be estrogen like ingredients in many sunscreams, or ingredients which become cancerogen when exposed to the sun like Benzyphenone-3 and Retinylpalmitate. Can anyone recommend good products or give any advice for someone who rarely sees the sun?

>>11767589
Your face shape is fucked I'm general, try losing wait and stop eating shit

>>11767589
>exfoliate 3-4 times a week

in what way?

>>11768179
>try losing wait
>wait

lol nigga..

>>11762566
>All ingredients have a capacity to act irritating.
And I would agree; however, that doesn't mean that there are some ingredients when, in a formula even at lower concentrations, still has the capacity to be very irritating. It doesn't make sense when there are other ingredients (like Soidum Laureth Sulphate) that do the same job as SLS but have been proven safe in solutions of any concentration.
"Sodium lauryl sulfate (SLS) is one of the most irritating cleansing agents used in skincare products. In fact, it’s considered a standard comparison substance for measuring the skin irritancy of other ingredients. Thus, in scientific studies, when they want to establish whether or not an ingredient is problematic for skin, they compare its effect to the effect of SLS. "
> Robinson V, Bergfeld W, Belsito D, Hill R, Klaassen C, Marks JJ, Shank R, Slaga T, Snyder P, Andersen A. Final report of the amended safety assessment of sodium laureth sulfate and related salts of sulfated ethoxylated alcohols. Int J Toxicol. 2010;29(4S):151S-61S.
> Löffler H, Pirker C, Aramaki J, Frosch P, Happle R, I. E. Evaluation of skin susceptibility to irritancy by routine patch testing with sodium lauryl sulfate. Eur J Dermatol. 2001;11(5):416-9.
> Löffler H, Freyschmidt-Paul P, Effendy I, Maibach H. Pitfalls of irritant patch testing using different test chamber sizes. Am J Contact Dermat. 2001;12(1):28-32.
"Despite the name similarity, sodium laureth sulfate is NOT the same as sodium lauryl sulfate. The former is a milder cleansing agent due to a higher amount and different chemical structure of the fatty alcohols required to manufacture this cleansing agent. The safety of sodium laureth sulfate has been reviewed by numerous industry experts and deemed safe as used."
>"" Point no. 1 of previous citation
(cont.)

>>11762566
(cont.)
>Charbonnier V, Morrison Jr B, Paye M, Maibach H. Subclinical; non-erythematous irritation with an open assay model (washing): sodium lauryl sulfate (SLS) versus sodium laureth sulfate (SLES). Food Chem Toxicol. 2001;39(3):279-86.

>It would be good if you could read up more on how product formulation alters the workings of the products on skin, if you're going to spend time on giving skincare advice to people who need help.
Please don't be condescending, I know what I'm talking about.

>>11762567
>suncreen that doesn't smell
If a sunscreen contains zinc oxide and no masking fragrance (which it shouldn't, because fragrance is typically irritating), it will usually smell a little weird, but it's not really strong enough for anyone to actually smell it on you, especially if you're wearing a cologne/perfume etc. I don't have any recommendations specifically, but stick with reputable brands like Neutrogena, CeraVe, Paula's Choice etc. that don't typically include irritating ingredients and all make well-formulated products.

>>11763188
You're welcome! :)

>>11763315
Hi there! For starters, disregard this anons >>11763735 advice, as they have recommended some really awful products, but I'll get to that in a minute (read my next few posts). You have really mild acne, I would say, and also a naturally gorgeous glow, I could go on! We really need to know if your skin is oily, dry, combination, sensitive, allergic to aspirin or its derivatives before giving you solid advice, but I can see from the photo that you probably have normal skin (not either oily or dry) and that you probably don't have rosacea or any other significant skin concern, just mild acne. In which case, I'd highly recommend the use of a simple routine which includes a cleanser, toner and Benzoyl Peroxide (BP) as well as a day and nighttime moisteriser. Make sure you're buying from reputable brands like Neutrogena, CeraVe, Paula's Choice etc. that don't typically include irritating(cont.)

>>11763315
ingredients and all make well-formulated products. As well, if you wear makeup, you need to be taking it off every night before your skincare routine. Make sure that you use a product (Neutrogena has some great ones) that removes makeup effectively and without the use of alcohol which can irritate your skin. If you'd specifically like some product recommendations, name your price range and I'll help you out!

>>11763367
To answer your first question, a good moisteriser should include (ideally) glycerin, ceramides, cholesterol, hyaluronic acid (optional) and antioxidants. These are all very good ingredients to be included in an effective moisteriser. To answer your second question, Korean beauty products do the same things both good and bad that western products do, so I'd say that one is not better than the other (unless you're talking specifically of French skincare, in which case I'd recommend dirt over it). They both sometimes use irritating ingredients, they both market in the say way and sometimes there are brands that are just plain better than others.

>>11763368
What is your skin concern exactly? Is it acne? Also, could you provide your full routine with cleansers, toners etc. that you use as it would be very helpful.

>>11763373
STLHM (or anyone, for that matter) didn't seem to be responding to many people in this or the previoud thread so I'd thought I'd step in and help, evidenced by a bunch of people thanking me?

>>11763735
Where do I start?
>If Oily skin, Double Cleanse
If your cleanser is gentle yet effective and doesn't contain any irritating ingredients then there is no need to double cleanse.
>Wipes
Makeup and cleansing wipes are no where near as efficient as a good cleanser and water, also, to imply that only women use makeup and only women use a cleanser is counter intuitive to giving somebody advice to clear up acne.
(cont.)

>>11763735
(cont.)
>St. Ives Fresh Skin Exfoliator
Physical exfoliants are not nearly as gentle or as effective as chemical exfoliants and whilst I wouldn't not recommend using them, I would recommend using a chemical exfoliant instead of them.
>(3 times a week for 1 min)
>(for 30 Seconds then rinse off)
>[...]
Some people take longer or shorter to use products, so it's best to not recommend how to use it, but leave that to either the products recommendation or the users experience with the product.
>Cetaphile Normal Oil Skin Cleanser
If this woman has dry or very dry skin, I wouldn't recommend the use of this cleanser. This cleanser also uses a small amount of masking fragrance which could irritate someone with sensitive skin.
>Cerave Oily Skin FOAMING cleanser
This is an amazing cleanser, but it's designed for oily skin, so it depends on whether or not her skin is oily, dry, combination etc.
>Cetaphile moisturizer/ sunscreen
Cetaphil has some good entry-level moisteriser, but typically lacks more important ingredients and also likes to include fragrance (masking or non-masking) in their products and so should be avoided by irritation-prone skin.
> use the Exfoliator only in the AM
In fact, I'd recommend the use of exfoliation (physical, at least) at nighttime because it gives the skin a chance to repair itself and won't show any redness that might occur.
>Get a mud mask and [...]
You don't know her skin type and so shouldn't recommend a mud mask which could be excessively drying on normal or dry skin.
>p.p.s if you want some 10/10 skin care products shop at here: sokoglam . com
Koreans are P E R F E C T / 10 when it comes to skin care.
This is weird and seems like a plug for "sokoglam . com", which I can't look up because their website isn't loading. Not ALL Koreans have perfect skin and the ones that do are usually celebrities and have the money to see expensive dermatologists and have access to (cont.)

>>11768679
>that doesn't mean that there are some ingredients when, in a formula even at lower concentrations, still has the capacity to be very irritating

Yes, but that depends completely on formulation. The irritation potential of the resulting mixture is not dependent on one ingredient, unless of course it is only a simple solution like the ones used in standard irritation tests.

>Sodium lauryl sulfate (SLS) is one of the most irritating cleansing agents [...]

That's not something that is being disputed. You just don't seem to know how cosmetic formulation works.

Try reading the chapter "Mechanism of Skin Irritation by Surfactants and Anti-Irritants for Surfactant-Based Products" in the Handbook of Cosmetic Science and Technology, if you're interested in understanding why products aren't inherently bad just because they contain certain irritating ingredients. It could be a good thing to do before telling people to not use great products.

>condescending

You were given advice to read up on a certain subject.
Try to not take it as a personal attack.

is La Roche-Posay a good brand?

I think i have sensitive skin. Cleansers make my skin slightly dry, then i add moisturizers but they give me acne.

Either my skin is to dry, or to oily. What do i do?

>>11744608
What about cooking with milk, i.e. pancakes? Same thing?

>>11763735
(cont.) expensive laser treatments and chemical peels to achieve 'perfect' skin, which is no different to the western world.

>>11763736
The article you linked is filled with buzzwords and statements which are simply incorrect like "Water-based cleansers aren't capable of removing oil-based debris because oil and water don't mix. " and "you need two different formulas to properly and thoroughly cleanse your face." I would not buy products from a company that gives incorrect skincare information.

>>11763742
CeraVe is amazing but sometimes they include really nice ingredients that would be better in a moisteriser or serum etc. which is weird and also kind of a waste. But they're basically the GOAT for drugstore-esc skincare, except that they're unavailable in lots of countries outside the US :(

>>11763764
Agreed.

>>11763771
Look at brands like Neutrogena, CeraVe and Paula's Choice - all good, typically.

>>11764023
The Vitamin C Serum >>11764837 linked is probably the best I've encountered and you can make it last ages if you buy dark bottles and refrigerate one - just read about this from a review site! You can use Retinol in addition to BP to make a more effective routine if you so wish.

>>11764157
Chemical exfoliation is your key to success, BHA is best to do what you're after, but AHA won't hurt either (though it might burn a little, but you are applying acids to your face).

>>11764952
>>11767192
tl;dr They're crap.
I use one and have no idea why after I did some research.

>>11765300
I've only used Nad's Men and I found it excessively fragrant (not in a good way) which I could forgive if it actually worked (it did not).

>>11765397
That's correct!

>>11765575
I have the same issue, I was reading about this earlier based on the conversation between STLHM and another anon and concluded to myself that basically zinc oxide is the best however it leaves white casting. I found that it only lasts for an hour or so, so it's not really an issue, (cont.)

>>11742973
Hey guys, questions about acne. How do I get rid of it? Sticky doesn't go very in-depth, but I'll share my experience.

What I Have Been Doing:
1. Cut out milk. Only use milk for cooking now. I don't consume any other dairy except cheese.
2. Change pillowcasse daily.
3. Drink water.
4. Shower daily.
5. Exercise daily.
6. Don't touch face.
7. Follow dermatologist prescriptions.
8. Use products. Only use cetaphil daily facial cleanser. Used to use other things from derm. perscriptions.

All of these have helped to some degree, some alrger than others, but none have been a final solution.

Things Which Help That I Haven't Done:
1. Back sleeping. I have tried to do this without success.
2. All-natural shampoo
3. More products?

Any other recommendations?

>>11765575
(cont.)
however some brands I've found it can last basically all day, my advice would be to shop around and see which one doesn't either last all day or leave any white cast at all (it might be tinted, for example), otherwise makeup would work to cover it, but if you're not comfortable doing that I understand.

>>11765672
>>11765873
Basically what this guy said. Chemical exfoliation can lighten and in some cases remove the appearance of SFs, so that'd be your best bet. Having them forcefully removed will work, but then they'll just grow back so it's better, in the long run, to use chemical exfoliation (specifically BHA).

>>11766759
Be careful, as some essential oils do more harm than good, though I trust you know what you're doing. I, when using serums, take my moisteriser on my fingertips on one hand and then use the other to drop my serum or whatever into the moisteriser and then mix it together on my fingertips before applying to the face. Of course, you should wash your hands before doing any of this.

>>11766849
Chemical exfoliation, Vitamin C, Retinol and a number of other products will help, however, and unfortunately, you may have to see a dermatologist to help find a laser and/or chemical treatment to fix your pore size.

>>11767347
Benzoyl Peroxide probably wouldn't have made your acne worse, it is, after all, supposed to do the opposite, though it doesn't work for some people. You can use BHA combined with BP as these two work well together, though if nothing happens maybe try removing BP for around 1/2 months and see if that makes a difference.

>>11767589
Where do I start?
>Nothing seems to work.
You probably haven't been using effective skincare.
>I clean my skin
How so? Do you use a cleanser? Are you just using water? Are you doing reiki on your face?
>I also exfoliate 3-4 times a week.
What type? Physical exfoliation usually doesn't do much for enlarged pores, you should consider a BHA exfoliant that addresses this as well (cont.)

>>11769037
I love you

>>11767589
(cont.)
as a number of other concerns.
> I've also tried toners and night serums, but they just made my skin even worse.
You must be using either inappropriate skincare for your skin type or skincare which isn't well-formulated and/or contains irritants like colour and fragrance.
>Is my only option to see a dermatologist at this point?
If you want to avoid research and buying additional products (though if you go, you still will end up buying additional products) and also be told what I just told you, then yes.
It would be very helpful if you listed your skincare regime as well as type (sensitive, oily, dry, combination etc.) and any other concerns (though you already listed them, I believe) that you have.

>>11768176
Zinc oxide is your best friend. Find a sunscreen/moisteriser that contains it and stick with it. Go for the highest spf you can find (50 is typical) and make sure that you test it out before you go so that you know it's not going to irritate your skin. Be diligent with its application and avoid direct sunlight as well as wearing clothes as well as a hat and sunglasses to reduce sunlight exposure.

>>11768907
>The irritation potential of the resulting mixture is not dependent on one ingredient
And I would agree, but in this case and for this product, you're wrong.
>You just don't seem to know how cosmetic formulation works.
>It could be a good thing to do before telling people to not use great products.
You're still being condescending.
>
You were given advice to read up on a certain subject.
Try to not take it as a personal attack.
Except that I know that I'm right and I know you're wrong and I also know that you know that you know you're wrong, which frustrates me.
SLS, in this particular solution and, in any solution and at any concentration has the ability to be very irritating, according to the incredibly reliable resources I cited.

>>11768937
Not typically. They make tonnes of bogus claims and use a lot of buzzwords to rope people into buying their skincare. Their dermo cleanser is pretty good. They have a few good products which I will list in a moment, but anything else by them I'd stay away from.
>Toleriane Dermo-Cleanser
Good for dry and sensitive skin.
>Anthelios Clear Skin Dry Touch Sunscreen Broad Spectrum SPF 60
Good for oily skin, doesn't leave a whitecast like some other products. The only problem is that it doesn't contain zinc oxide which is the best protection from UVA rays.
>Ceralip Lip Repair Cream
Good all round.
>Effaclar BB Blur Instant Oil-Absorbing Coverage Cream Mousse
Good product, won't work for darker skin tones, however.
>Anthelios 50 Mineral Ultra Light Sunscreen Fluid, SPF 50 Face
Really good all round and doesn't leave white cast, thinking of buying it desu haha
>Effaclar Duo Dual Action Acne Treatment
Effective, but too expensive for what it does and contains LHA which they say helps acne but there's no reliable research behind it.
>Toleriane Purifying Foaming Cream
Best for normal to dry skin, not for people with overly sensitive skin

Now that I've had a look through those, I can recommend La Roche-Posay's spf sunscreens to anyone looking for one, however, there are cheaper options available.

>>11768971
Cooking the milk doesn't eliminate the dairy element to food, but as I said, removing dairy won't necessarily clear your acne.

>>11769002
>Cut out milk. Only use milk for cooking now. I don't consume any other dairy except cheese.
So... You haven't cut out milk then? Also, note that doing this may not clear your acne, you're better off going with an effective skincare regime.
>Change pillowcasse daily.
While this can help, it's negligible when compared to a good skincare regime. Also it's inconvenient and time-consuming.
>Only use cetaphil daily facial cleanser.
There's your problem. (cont.)

>>11769002
(cont.)
You need to have a skincare regime that deals with your skin problems (in your case, acne, but also redness, large pores etc. if you have them) based on your skin type (oily, dry, combination, sensitive etc.), otherwise it's likely that the other things you're doing are negligible. You need to be using, at the bare minimum, a cleanser, toner, Benzoyl Peroxide (BP) and daytime and nighttime moisterisers. If your acne is very very mild, then don't use BP, in fact, you could start off doing these things and then, if your skin is not as clear as you'd like it, you can then introduce BP. The way you phrased this made it sound like you only use a Cetaphil cleanser and that's it. If you are using other products, please list them along with your skin type (oily, combination, dry etc.) and I can help you identify anything that might be causing/not helping your skin.
>All-natural shampoo
Won't necessarily help your acne. Shampoo is washed off and so, even if if it had irritating ingredients, it would likely not cause acne.

>>11769049
<3

>>11745716
Magic Elixir is so good but I'm going to try making my own hair serum as it gets expensive.

>>11769151
Have you ever used blemish sticks?

>>11765300
I've used Nair.

It works, but smells, so do it in a ventilated place. Also, DO NOT leave it on for any more than ten or so minutes (or whatever's on the bottle), just do a section one day, skip a day, and do the other. You will burn your skin otherwise. It was the only way to get rid of my back and shoulder hair, and it turned out nicely.

>>11769261
Actually, yes. I used a roll-on tea tree oil stick until it was used up and didn't repurchase because Benzoyl Peroxide and a number of other products I use a far more effective and less irritating than tea tree oil. They might be less effective because of potential exposure to air and also the inclusion of some solidifying agents that might make them worse compared to bottled solutions.

>>11768996
>I've only used Nad's Men and I found it excessively fragrant (not in a good way) which I could forgive if it actually worked (it did not).
Will steer clear, thanks!

>>11769296
Fantastic apparently Boots do small sample sachets of that stuff so I'll patch test and follow your advice, thanks!

>>11768179
I am using a camera that is meant for medium to long range at a close up downwards angle. I am using it because of the high def that my phone can't give me. Of course such an angle with such a camera is going to distort my features, that's not the point of the picture, you retard.

Here's a pic of me at a normal angle without shit lighting. Not saying that I'm good looking (I'm clearly not), but you can clearly tell the importance of how a picture is taken. I hope you learned something new today about how cameras work.

And no, I'm not overweight. I'm around 15% BF, currently dieting towards 10% for a more defined jaw and cheeks.

>>11768110
Right now I'm using L'Oréal Men Expert Pure Power Black Charcoal Wash Multi (cleanser), Matis Nettoyant get exfoliant response homme, Matis Hydration response homme and Matis Eye Care.

>>11769037
What products would you recommend?
I've tried everything from the cheaper stuff to the more expensive natural bullshit such as Ole Henriksen. I've ordered some stuff from South Korea, so I'll see if that's any better.

>>11769364
>I've tried everything
Obviously not.
>What products would you recommend?
Based on the products you're using at the moment, I can understand why you aren't seeing results. Your cleanser, apart from being by L'Oréal, uses physical exfoliation on a daily basis, which is almost certainly too much, even for non-sensitive skin. I can't tell because I can't find its ingredients, but your exfoliant also looks like a physical one in which case I'd give the same advice as above. even more so because you'd be using physical exfoliating 4 times daily, which is incredibly excessive and probably dangerous in the long term. I, again, can't find the ingredients of your moisteriser. However, and this is an assumption because I hate French skincare (the French are awesome and so is skincare but the two together are best news), the company that you're using appears to probably be using irritants like colour and fragrance which make the product more appealing. I would switch out your cleanser for something along the lines of CeraVe's Foaming Cleanser (or their regular one if you have dry skin) or Paula's Choice Pore-Reducing Cleanser which are both highly rated (and CeraVe is dirt-cheap) cleansers from reputable brands that have everything you could want in a cleanser without the use of harmful irritants like colour and fragrance. In regards to exfoliation, I would consider ditching the physical stuff and going for a product that incorporates BHA and/or AHA (though BHA is far better for addressing more skin concerns) which can be used daily, morning and night (high strength AHAs not so much), yet remain gentle and still highly effective. For a product recommendation, Paula's Choice Skin Perfecting 2% BHA liquid is the GOAT for BHA solutions and I don't think I've ever found a better one. As for toners, you want something from a reputable brand like I listed earlier. I'd recommend Paula's Choice Skin Balancing Pore-Reducing Toner, which is beneficial for both (cont.)

>>11769457
Thanks. I'll look into those. Hope they're available in my country, so that I don't have to deal with expensive shipping. Will see how the South Korean products do first, and then if they don't do much, I'll give your product recommendations a go.

>>11769364
(cont.)
large pores as well as excessive oil production. And for moisterisers, I would be, again, looking at a reputable brand that includes spf in (or you can continue using a sunscreen on top of) your AM moisteriser. I, after reading into these a bit more, would recommend CeraVe's AM Facial Moisturizing Lotion Broad Spectrum SPF 30, as it's cheap and really good, otherwise Olay's Regenerist Regenerating Lotion with Sunscreen Broad Spectrum SPF 50 is also a good pick ( though more expensive, but French so).

>>11769472
Thanks, Paula's Choice Deliver worldwide but CeraVe is harder to find, you could try eBay, just make sure the product isn't really old (or not new, for that matter).

Hey CA, is this useful as a moisutrizer or is it just a face sunlotion?

>Ingredients: Aqua, C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Diethylamino Hydroxybenzoyl Hexyl Benzoate, Octyldodecanol, Diethylhexyl Butamido Triazone, Polysilicone-
15, Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethane, Glycerin, Hydrogenated Dimer
Dilinoleyl/Dimethylcarbonate Copolymer, Pentylene Glycol, Distarch Phosphate, Phenylbenzimidazole Sulfonic Acid, Glyceryl Stearate, Bis-Ethylhexyloxyphenol Methoxyphenyl Triazine, Ethylhexyl Triazone, Sodium Hyaluronate, Caprylyl Glycol, Tocopheryl Acetate, Cetearyl Alcohol, Cetyl Palmitate, Ceteareth-20, Ceteareth-12, Acrylates/C10-30 Alkyl Acrylate
Crosspolymer, Sodium Gluconate, Citric Acid, Sodium Hydroxide,

>>11769537
Most of the time, understand that a sunscreen and a 'Daily Moisteriser with SPF' only differ based on how much it moisterises the skin. Some people with dry or very dry skin might find that using a sunscreen is plenty, others want the additives of anti-aging as well as other beneficial ingredients. In saying that, the product you listed has Glycerin, Sodium Hyaluronate, Cetearyl Alcohol and Cetyl Palmitate, all of which has beneficial and moisterising capabilities, and so, if you find it to be moisterising enough and also if you don't mind omitting other beneficial ingredients that can be present in a moisteriser, there's no reason why you couldn't use it as a daily moisteriser.

>>11769494
We are so lucky to have you in these threads

I already asked about it and got answers about it but I wanna ask again.

What can I do for SFs on nose and forehead? Is it possible if you guys can give me link to buy the things i need? I live in a third world country so I don't know most of the things you have listed. If you can give me link to buy the things i need, It would be great!

Thanks!

>>11769611
<3
Tell that to the meanies who hate on me for recommending Paula's Choice.

>>11769615
I've answered this question at least 5 times in this thread. Use control/command + F and search for SF/pore/scar and you'll find your answer. You can then look up that product online and buy it, right?

is using an astringent safe? will it slowly wear out my skin like stretching a rubber band all the time until it's loose and lost it's original elasticity?

Can't get rid of hyper pigmentation from acne on my face and back. Acne has cleared. What to do?

>>11769702
An astringent is more or less the same as a toner, the two are used interchangeably. A well-formed toner will definitely not wear out your skin. The only thing you should be worried about is the presence of irritants like alcohol, colour, fragrance etc. which might progressively make skin worse.

>>11769709
Chemical exfoliation, my friend. Most brands do not offer a chemical exfoliant, Paula's Choice do and it's in a spray bottle, so it's easy to get your back (maybe a little yoga is required).

>>11769721
Thanks. Could you please recommend which Paula's Choice product to use? A bit lost

I just wipe my face every morning and night with alcohol pads.

Has really gotten rid of most of my acne.

>>11769759
I always use a wipe pad with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older

>>11769764
I like to dissect girls. Did you know I'm utterly insane?

>>11769779
wut

>>11769494
Found two online stores from my country that both have a ton of Paula's Choice products. Neat!

Will for sure check them out if the South Korean products don't work.

>>11769592
I'm just looking for a cheaper alternative to Paula's Choice Skin Balancing Ultra-Sheer Daily Defense Broad Spectrum SPF 30. Something suitable for ending my routine and returning a bit of moisture to my skin after I've used Skin balancing cleanser + BHA liquid. CeraVe is not available where I am

>>11769784
reference to American psycho; a film you should watch

>>11769733
Of course, if you're looking specifically at chemical exfoliation on the body, the name of the product you're looking for is 'Clear Acne Body Spray with 2% Salicylic Acid', if you're looking for chemical exfoliation for the face, the product I was referring to is 'Skin Perfecting 2% BHA Liquid Exfoliant'.

>>11769759
>>11769764
Reiterating what this anon said, alcohol should be avoided in facial skincare, as it is a known irritant that can cause redness and excessive dryness. If you're looking to severely reduce your acne, you need to form and stick with a skincare regime.

>>11769801
No worries!

>>11769819
Me too, it's a pain. For a cheaper option, try:
>Olay Regenerist Regenerating Lotion with Sunscreen Broad Spectrum SPF 50
>EltaMD UV Facial SPF 30+
>Clinique Sun Broad Spectrum SPF 50 Sunscreen Face Cream
Or, if you don't really care about antioxidants or other significant and beneficial ingredients and just want a barebones sunscreen, try Aveeno Natural Protection Lotion Sunscreen with Broad Spectrum SPF 50

>lay in bed all day hungover and don't wash face
>like 4 pimples on my face the next morning


I hate my face.

I just applied one of those Stridex pads. The recommended routine in the sticky says to moisturize after because I'm following the evening routine. How long should I wait?

>>11770557
You don't need to wait at all, though sometimes it can feel better to wait just a minute or two to let it dry.

>>11770582
Do I leave this stuff on when I go to sleep or can I wash it off
Sorry if this is a stupid question

Hope I'm not too late. New thread time!
>>11771172
>>11771172
>>11771172

>>11771175
Thank you

What to do about severe discoloration from years of picking at scabs and pimples

My face is always dry and red, it's constantly inflamed. Today after class, some guy told me I had white stuff all over my face and when I went into the bathroom, it was covered in flakes, kind of like dandruff. What can I do about my dry, red, flaky skin?

>>11772330
I used to have flakey skin beneath my eyebrows. I started rubbing argan oil into my eyebrows every night before sleep and the flakes disappeared.
Other than that, have a good skin routine, use conditioner every day, clean your skin with a mild skin soap and exfoliate. also drink lots of water and try to keep a healthy diet, and limit dairy.

>>11772542
What is a good conditioner?

>>11772747
I use one without any parabens, parfume or coloring and with organic ingredients. It's the discount version. Works for me

Just take accutane you pimply oil and grease buckets.

After applying moisturiser to the face do you give it a quick rinse or just leave it?

i have little blackheads around my nose that i keep squeezing out but they never go away for years now, every few days they just fill up again.
please help me /fa/ i don't know what to do and i've tried nothing but squeezing them out every few days

Pic related is not me but how the fuck do I get rid of freckles.

Is it feasible to achieve clear skin (or clearer at least) in under a month?

I've been a recluse for the past couple o' years, but I'm trying to force myself out of my shell a bit more recently. I've got my first date in ages coming up this time next month and I'd like to make myself feel more confident and presentable before then (I feel like she's way out of my league too, but that's just prob my already real bad anxiety playing into that.)

It seems to be "just" general acne. Any advice? Cheers.

>>11774322
Why would you get rid of freckles idiot? I wish I had freckles. pls gibs ur freckles to me
>>11774399
Yes it is trust me. I know it sounds kliché but a healthy (mostly) vegan diet will do it. Cut out diary, eat a lot of vegetables and beans and such. Start drinking a lot of water and get into a skin care routine.it seems complicated but it's actually really easy, you just need 3 products a soap, a moisturizer and a exfoliater. Make sure they are mostly natural and for sensitive skin so you don't mess up your skin.

>>11774322
you can't, but they are great

>>11770557
You wait 20 minutes before you put on a moisturizer.