/fa/ - Fashion

do you think they had hot fuschia sex in the change rooms?

ive literally had wet dreams over helmut lang

how does he make something so ridiculous look so fucking cool

>>11108621
You can't disprove a subjective opinion you fucking autist

>>11108648
>he thinks its subjective

yfw helmut lang inspired tricky rick too

>that break

i got a boner

oh god that sleeve glove

>>11108664
Surprise surprise

n_n

that jacket

I'll post more tomorrow, does anyone want more?

>>11108834
No.

>>11108621
looks super bland and boring to me..

>>11108834
yeah great stuff

i find it kind of hard to see what he did that was so groundbreaking though

Can someone explain to me what's great about him? I mean this in a curious way because I don't know much about fashion. I've seen some of his older work that gets praised and it looks like he took classic outfits and just added something to them (which doesn't really add to the design in my opinion.) For example >>11108621, >>11108721 and >>11108713 and >>11108708

>>11108947
Why do shitters like this even browse this fucking board
I don't claim I know everything about Lang but go fucking find your own information you are on the internet right now dumbass, why should other people spoonfeed you?

>>11108873
cuz you don't have taste

>>11108947
you aren't noticing the cut of the suit.

>>11108953
He's curious you cunt you don't have to spoofed him anything but he's not gonna appreciate it if you don't give him any information, if you just rattle off how he's an idiot it makes you seem like an uneducated cock and right now that's exactly what it looks like

>>11108866
>/r/streetwear

>>11108975
You asked and he answered, don't be a baby. Also no

>>11108975
>helmut lang
>streetwear

lmao this board is hopeless

>>11108982
Your reading comprehension is hopeless, after someone said they didn't want more helmut photos posted they were directed forward reddit's streetwear board.

Sure is pleb in here

>>11108966
>if I use buzzwords they'll think I'm smart

Fuck, even though I agree HL is one of the best front-runners for fashion, OP is just too much of an insufferable, samefagging cunt.

>>11108621
cristobal balenciaga or charles james or even yves saint laurent would like a word. nigga mcqueen or chalayan is even better than them

>>11108947
context is key. check the cut as well as his prolific use of bondage straps. he relied on a degree of minimalism which never felt boring
also a major influence to the biggest menswear designer today, raf simons

Threads like this are why this board will never get better
>newfags and uninformed people asking very easily answered questions
>elitist cunts trying to make themselves feel better, so they shit on the people asking questions

Is it really too much too ask something like
>Can someone explain to me what's great about him?
Yea, he couldve phrased it better or found the answer elsewhere but if you are alll here posting about "your favorite" designer then shouldnt you be able to answer personally? No one is asking to explain Helmut's entire ethos, design background, and creative process. Get over yourselves, all of you were at the same place as these newfags at some point. So you can either continue to make them just as ignorant as they are now by ignoring them(which accomplishes what?) or you can be an active part in helping someone learn about a designer that you ( apparently) love and know a great deal about. So many people in communties like ours and others across the internet are like this
>oh im old and know more so your silly question is so below me that all I can do is laugh and make fun of you
its just as toxic as all the shitposting, and its such an easy thing to change...

Just my 2 cents

shit garbage tho

>>11109199
>>11108947
>context is key
yes context is key, but not in the sense youre talking about. You have to step back and look at everything going on around that time. Every big maison and design was putting out this absolutely stunning couture collections. While shows like that are incredible to watch and look at, the wearability is little to none. Helmut and a few others around the same time all reintroduced and celebrated wearability in the fashion shows, Helmut's minimalism was so talked about because there were so few others doing what he was doing. He capitalized in a market that people were looking for but had no idea they wanted at the time.

>>11108947
He played a very big part in the clean, stark minimalism/industrial look popular in the 90s/early 00s among young professionals, like something youd see out of the matrix or something
he also pioneered the use of things like rubber, metallic fabrics, brought denim into the luxury market, showed the first fashion show on the internet, incorporating military aspects into fashion
very influential aswell, you can see some of his stuff like bondage straps in designers like rick, raf, craig green, damir doma
youd be better off going and reading about it though, theres lots of stuff on the internet

I don't seewhat's so special about this. Everything looks pretty basic and some ideas have been done before him

>>11109207
>No one is asking to explain Helmut's entire ethos, design background, and creative process

Where could one go to learn more about Lang as well as other designers?

>>11109263
You're telling me none of that was done before?

>>11109272
lmao

>>11109207

This post is pretty ironic because you never addressed the poster asking about Lang. You just smeared another layer of meta shitposting.

>>11109293
no, not really, some of the techniques maybe but not really on the scale he did
and basically the whole cold, architectural style minimalism he pioneered along with designers like prada and jil sander, this was back in the 90s we are talking about, take a look at what people were wearing in the 80s and youll see a huge difference

>>11109305
I addressed the question a few posts down :)

>>11109168
"cut" isn't a buzzword, this is a fashion board and cut is the standard fashion term that describes what i'm talking about. if you say that suit is identical to all other suits save for the black ribbon across the front of the shirt, then you clearly aren't noticing the way the suit is cut.

>>11109207
Shut up and die you hispsterfag
Also,
>implying you're not a newfag too

OP here, i approve of
>>11109263
>>11109235

it is important to note that toward the end of his career, especially when he enjoyed a massive budget from Prada, Lang was THE show to watch every season
these days people will say things like 'Dries never puts out a bad show' or 'Vetements is cool when they aren't straight ripping off margiela' but no single brand has an extreme dominance of the intellectual market, to the point of where other brands are copy pasting their ideas for seasons later
Valentino straight ripped off Astro parkas at the end of last year, for instance. 16 year old garment !!
Biker jeans, which got filtered down through fast fashion quite recently, were released in their form as we see them today in 1999 by Lang.

As for those claiming it's boring, maybe his later works from 2001-2005 are more to your liking. Lang was self aware enough to see that his minimalism was over, both intellectually, and that people were expecting something of him, and his following seasons adjusted for this

the best bit about Lang for me was how he could accentuate masculine and feminine shapes without showing bare skin in the obvious places
the bondage straps are placed so perfectly as to create sex appeal, but the outfits remain sophisticated

suits on women look stupid most of the time

lang lay the blueprint many years ago and people still fuck them up to the point of women either looking ultra masculine, or the curves are awfully over accentuated

also
his flagship stores and advertising campaigns were ahead of their time

http://gluckmantang.com/projects/helmut-lang/#4

i really like this one. his outfit makes her look graceful and distinguished, but could make a younger woman look sexy

yohji at a lang show

>>11110665
>thinks lang laid the blueprint for women's suits

>>11110829
for ones that look good..

>>11109235
please reread my post. you literally said what i already said

he makes minimalism not look boring

any good books on helmut lang's career?

Toasting in an Epic bread. Check out my Archival denim jacket! Wish I had something with bondage straps but they're all so expensive on Grailed.com...

>>11111660
nice jacket, whats the sizing on these like?

I have to go with McQueen. His dresses and men's outerwear were other wordly. He also wouldn't have sold the fuck out to Prada.

>>11108621
looks boring. like some old guy in a suit lol
needs some fresh sneakers like jordans or yeezys
maybe sknny jeans

>>11111660
>>11111660
your not hiding shit fucking pakistani pharrel

>>11112611
obvious b8 my friend

>>11112610
nice answer

I think "selling out" helped Lang get the materials he wanted, the only "negative" effects were more mass scale production, and that stuff like aglets would have the branding on them

>>11112999

He sold his name and ended up having nothing to do with his brand. Then Prada ended up having nothing to do with it/sold it. Maybe McQueen would've done the same thing who knows but I don't think so. Rick Owens turned down multimillion dollar buyouts and his aglets and pull tabs are just fine.

>>11111710
Not that guy, but I wear a medium in almost everything and I have two Helmut denim jackets, one a 46, tight like motorcycle'-style fit, and the other a 50 that fits much more loosely.

>>11112610
Are you fucking dumb?? McQueen designed for givenchy for a long time. It's how he funded his namesake for so long, and during his time at givenchy he had some pretty awful shows.

>>11108621
grill here. Agreed. Stella Tennant wore HL on her wedding.

also the ads from the 90s with Karen Owen are perfekt

>>11108679
omg baby angela lindvall

>>11110731
I love this. Why do designers hardly ever use older models for their shows?

>>11115585
>grill here

who the fuck cares cunt

>>11109168
cut isn't a buzzword lmao

>>11109199
>didnt mention Christian Dior, the one who revived womenswear after WW2 economic and sociocultural depressions
missed one, and an important one

>>11109207
the hero /fa/ needs but the one we dont deserve

>>11115644
Agreed, check out undercover fw16

>>11115654
nigga dior was directly inspired by the works of balenciaga

CAN WE GET A DEFINITIVE LIST OF THE FASHION OGs?

Obv lang influenced a lot of people but lets start outlining the history of fashion.

>>11111660
i didn't post that but it's a 44. normally wear 46.

>>11108621
>prove me wrong on an abstract claim when i have given you no quantitative or qualitative criteria with which to substantiate your claims
this is why you are dumb.

>>11112610
>wouldn't have sold the fuck out to prada
what a fucking joke. his entire career was made off selling out to Isabella blow and then using her till she eventually killed herself.

>>11115830
this please

>>11115827
now that you say it, it makes sense, but still, Christian Dior was a big influence in the history of fashion, he made the women femenine again after WWII

>>11115830
Yohji, Rei, Margeila, Walter van Beirendonck

>>11115891
he said names of designers that really influenced fashion, not the only names of designers you´ve heard about

>>11115905
And you're denying that they've heavily influenced modern fashion? I would hardly think we're dating back to dior or chanel when talking in the same realms as helmut lang...

dickhead

>>11115830
(in no order)
Thomas Burberry
Charles James
Hardy Amies
Cristobal Balenciaga
Coco Chanel
Christian Dior
Pierre Balmain
Christian Louboutin
Diane Von Furstenberg
Donatella and Gianni Versace
Giorgio Armani
Valentino
Hubert de Givenchy
Viviene Westwood
Jean Paul Gaultier
Thierry Mugler
Jeane Lanvin
Tom Ford
Yves Saint Laurent
Karl Lagerfeld
Ralph Lauren
Marc Jacobs
Tommy Hilfiger
Muiccia Prada
Rei Kawakubo
Yohji Yamamoto
Issey Miyake
Helmut Lang
Hussein Chalayan
Alexander McQueen
John Galliano
Martin Margiela
Ann Demeulemeester
Carol Christian Poell
Geoffrey B. Small
Maurizio Altieri
Dries Van Noten
Jil Sander

maybe:
Junya Watanabe
Thom Browne
Rick Owens
Raf Simons
Jun Takahashi
Iris Van Herpen
Haider Ackermann

not a complete list obv so feel free to add

>>11115918
fashion is fashion m8, it dates back to when some caveman started wearing animal hides for warmth, ofc you´ll only consider post industrial revolution times not just post 1970s fashion

>>11115952
i would add Oscar de la Renta

>>11115952
Raf should definately be in the top list, especially consider you have people like CCP and Geoffrey B Small
imo he has been very influential for what he did in incorporating youth culture and movements into high fashion

>>11108621
rafs better