/fa/ - Fashion

>>10304716
>Hard mode: no frank.

you mean easy mode?

pic related is possibly my favorite architectural work of all time, and i live a few towns over from it.

>>10304716
Small world, live there, boring af city

>>10304790
if you're implying that frank isn't probably the single best american modern architect i feel sorry for your mother.

>>10305021

The house itself is bad and hugely flawed. The buildings that it influenced (which is a lot) are far more impressive than this one

>>10305393
philip johnson did it first anyway

>>10305411
yeah it's actually a pretty terrible building if you look at it from the perspective of design decisions made vs just the aesthetics of it. the only thing i really like about it is the way it's floating over the ground.

but thanks for showing me that phillip johnson house, i like the way that looks a lot better

time to get scandi up in here.

>>10305489

watch this series guys pretty cool, its about architects explaining their homes. sehr schön

https://www.nowness.com/tag/in-residence

>>10305389
he is but the world is bigger than america. and his furniture sucked ass. mies, saarinen, jacobsen, breuer, etc did amazing architecture and amazing furniture.

>>10305498
expressionist counts too right?

>>10304716
what's up with the dishes? do they serve any purpose?

>>10305021 >> >>10305411

>>10305489
can i get another angle on this one? or the building name at least?

>>10305504
sweet, i'll check it out

>>10305519
damn, thats so fucking belittling

>>10305536
it's in the filename. and what do you mean by belittling?

plen here, is it true that Architects aren't required to take Deformable Bodies or even Statics in college?

>>10305515
but this is a board in which the vast majority of posters is american fam

needs more brutalism, don't know why I think this style is so cozy.

>>10305658
I'm not an architect, but I'm pretty sure the licensing exams don't have anything more than basic physics, if they even have any physics at all.

There are engineering focused architecture degrees though like at cal poly they take a lot of structural engineering classes and physics.

>>10305658
I study industrial design in germany and have some architect friends. they study those courses. shit i had to take them too.

One of Japan's best designed mid-century modern buildings, going to be destroyed at the end of the month so they can make a new 'better' hotel for the 2020 Olympics.

>>10305658
No, at least not in my country. We have to take Statics, Dimensioning, Construction physics and Construction mechanics.

Also, Ando is GOAT

>>10305637
oh ok i found it

belittling isnt the right word, but its' the closest i could think of.

the building makes you feel small. not only it's size, but something about the architecture gives you a feeling of awe at the human achievement. like what an ant would feel walking into a concert hall

ps i don't know shit baout architecture

>>10304716
Is anyone else really turned off by seeing white geometric structures set against a bright blue sky? Sometimes I don't mind modern architecture, but for some reason I really hate seeing two bright colors next to each other.

>>10305717
You probably meant awe-inspiring?

>>10305536
>>10305536

>what's up with the dishes? do they serve any purpose?

The one facing up is the Chamber of Commons (Câmara dos Deputados) the one facing down is the Senate.

The Chamber of Common's bowl faces up because they get the opinions of the people. The Senate faces down because it protects the status quo and current legislation. Its an allegory to what Bastiat (?) said that the state needs one hand facing up to give help but need to keep the other hand closed to ensure order.

pic related

for my brutalism bros:
http://fuckyeahbrutalism.tumblr.com/

>>10305735
yeah thats the one

>>10305739
neat

learn 2 mies

>>10305672
yea but look at this inexcusable piece of shit.

>>10305504
Damn, these are amazing. jus twatched the xavier corbero one, loved it. Which are your favorites?

>>10305859
these 2:
https://www.nowness.com/series/in-residence/ray-kappe

https://www.nowness.com/series/in-residence/in-residence-fernando-romero

i would rather live in the first one but the 2nd one is also stylish

>>10305859
not the guy who posted but i watched most. i was surprised at how bare some places were. or how gaudy. patricia urquiola...damn what an ugly place. i thought marc newson's place was boring. i liked agelika taschen's place. also knud holscher's. i've met knud before and he is an eccentric northern european guy...the place seems to fit.

>>10305704
where do you study i study in schwäbisch gmünd

>>10305898
regensburg. what year are you? what area of ID do you see yourself going into?

>>10304716

Easy.

>>10305931
just finished 3rd semester you?, probably furniture but that's very overrun so i might start a bureau with 2 of my friends, what about you?

>>10305820
I like your style.

some find postmodern architecture tacky

>>10305965
95% of postmodernist architecture is tacky
especially the venturi house

>>10305948

not le corbusiers best work though

it's mainly well known for the same reasons as the bauhaus, some of the first 'de-cluttered' architecture

i'm sure somewhere in this thread someone will try to be patrician and post bauhaus but it really isn't that exciting of stuff, it's just the origins of 'not ornate and bad' architecture rather than actual good modernism

le corbusier went on to make much more interesting stuff as his style evolved

>>10305949
just finished 6th semester.
i'm into furniture and homegoods. doing an internship in denmark with that sort of stuff right now. is that your work? kuddos for the clean sketches.

hotel forum in Cracow, Poland.

>>10305707
grrrr

>>10306019
corbusier was a sadist

Modernist architecture sucks. Also
>implying Frank Lloyd Wright was a modernist

>>10306098
>being this ignorant
yikes

>>10306110
Seriously? Just because FLW designed iconoclastic buildings during the first half of the 20th century it doesn't mean he was a Modernist.

>>10305739
what an incredibly dystopian framework to view democracy through

>>10306157
>not modern
hmm

>>10306157
you realize that something doesn't have to be square and made of concrete to be Modern right

>>10305820
I live in Houston. Mies van der Rohe designed our art museum. It's pretty comfy.

>>10306211

brutalism

>>10306251
Love the architecture at SFU. Even better because it's on a mountain.

>>10305489
My man

Eero Saarinen is god-tier too

>>10306165
Perhaps I didn't explain myself that well. The clenched hand and open hand is similar to the figure of the goddess of justice - in one hand she has holds the balance and in the other the sword - without force there isn't a way to ensure order and all that story.
An excerpt from Frederic Bastiat's "The Government"

" It has two hands - one to receive and the other to give; in other words, it has a rough hand and a smooth one. The activity of the second necessarily subordinate to the activity of the first. Strictly, Government may take and not restore. This is evident, and may be explained by the porous and absorbing nature of its hands, which always retain a part, and sometimes the whole, of what they touch. But the thing that never was seen, and never will be seen or conceived, is, that Government can restore to the public more than it has taken from it."


Just to finish up: even the timeframe of that particular building is supposed to be against a dystopian or totalitarian government. It was built when Brazil got free from its first dictatorship.

>>10305672
>but this board is mostly 'merican
>therefore, we should ignore the creative output of the rest of the world

xenophobia lite is not effay :l

>>10306271
ya dude!
that place is the coolest. i used to work up there. going to the academic quadrangle on a misty summer morning was awesome. it feels like the setting for a jurrasic park movie, what with the slightly overgrown bushes and trees everywhere.

>>10307097
>It was built when Brazil got free from its first dictatorship.
Vargas did nothing wrong

>>10305504
>lets build some giant concrete structure in the middle of nowhere so people can have a picnic and park their car with cover

Who pays for this?

>>10306082
looks like an AT-AT Walker from Star Wars

>>10308172
reminds me of this building. Apparently with feng shui there is some importance to have it open in the center, something about the flow of chi.

>>10308233
I really love the open center of this house, it is like having an outdoors in your living room.

>>10308237
had a chance to tour it, was looking for a house in the area. Really nice piece of property.

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>>10308237
Aesthetically it is nice but I feel it would restrict the width of most rooms too much to be practical for most set-ups.

>>10308212
its a truckstop idiot

>>10305713
is this the church of rick?

>>10306251
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>>10305676
my boys

there's no soul to these buildings tbh

I don't know much about architecture, but I really dig the shit out of the Rothko Chapel

>>10309053
Seems chill AF

Also, although unrelated to the early-mid 20thC modern, this just went up in Sydney

>>10304716
Ugly boring city, Goiânia is way better.

I think the Louis Vuitton fondation is amazing

>no frank.

Fuck. You.

>>10305836
That piece has to be taken with context, i.e. the building it goes with -- Johnson Wax Building.

There, it fits in with the grammar of the setting. If you put it in a Prairie house, it would stick out like a sore thumb.

>>10305411
Johnson said that his glass house was entirely inspired by Mies, he just happened to finish his first because of the drama involved with the building of the Farnsworth House.

But I personally think Johnson's house is better nonetheless.

>>10305735
I think belittling is a pretty good adjective to describe it. The dark colour gives it an almost ominous vibe

Another Johnson house

>>10306019
>le corbusier
>interesting stuff

>>10309138
seagram and ibm are two of my favorite skyscrapers. the orange lighting especially.

>tfw corrupt politicians let this hack fuck up your city

>>10309055
Not as chill as it could be. The docents there really like to push the "chapel" aspect of it, even though it's just a fucking art gallery.

>>10309590

That park, in the old route of Túria, is pretty bitchin', ciudad de las artes y las ciencias o no. I wish we had something like that in my city.

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>>10310144
are you guys in the spain fa whatsapp group?

>>10310144
all we have is a shameless gehry rip off, bok center and an interesting frank lloyd wright home.

tulsa is an amazing time capsule of art deco though.

>Shigeru "ridiculously complex wooden roofs" Ban

>>10310147

Nah, but I've never lived in Spain. Is it just for anyone that likes the country?

>>10310160

Aaay, another Tulsan-- yeah, the art deco architecture downtown is pretty great. We do have a lot of good parks, too, honestly. That Túria one is just particularly brilliant.

>>10309091
yea sure but aesthetically it may fit with the structure, but matching is no excuse.

also the function is just horrible. look at the ergonomics. the horrible armrests. three wheels. (seriously are you kidding, that is just dangerous)

>>10305676
look up simon fraser university
completely brutalist, pic related
transferring there in january

>>10309590
man that handrail on the right would be AMAZING for snowboarding

>when a building takes your breath away the moment you step inside it

>>10310198
To be fair, he wasn't known for producing comfortable furniture.

I'm just saying, it was designed to go with the building.

>>10306019
stfu fgt

>>10308990
yeah, looks like a waste of money except it is pretty.

On those who wish to be compassionate towards the modernists: ``They want them to be treated with oil, soap and caresses. But they should be beaten with fists. In a duel, you don't count or measure the blows, you strike as you can.''

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>>10309059
what's the point. national parkour facility?

>>10310438
came here to post that. never gets old looking at it.

No Louis Kahn in this entire thread? I am dissapoint.

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>>10311752
are you from North America? If not, then I might understand. IF you are, good luck with the rest of your retarded life.

>>10307111
>implying being xenophobic is a bad thing

>>10311948
went to school nearby.
had childish taste.
only culture was shit/pop culture.
never visited the salk institute.

Not early or mid-century, but I'm gonna post it anyways

>>10308241
how much was it?

also what is the average price of one of these styled properties?

>>10308237
>>10308239
>>10308241
gorgeous. would move in/10.

can somebody explain the appeal of brutalist places?

>>10313421
"Honesty" through the exposure of rough materials and functional elements, and a sense of monumentality in its architectural form. At least those are the defining characteristics of brutalism, personally I only like some brutalist designs.

Best Arne Jakobsen one-family home made.

Can be yours for EUR 6.5 million.

>>10313489
hhhhnnnngg that superior scandi design

>>10309250

there was some

>>10310824

>brick with grated window

if you want to make your point at least post something else that came out of the bauhaus rather than the bauhaus itself

>>10311948

i got kicked out of here once

totally worth it

where can I read about this type of topic online?

>>10313681
Seconded.

>>10311784
St. Pius X, pray for us. Deliver us from shitty modern architecture, and the insidious philosophies behind it.

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>>10313468
ah okay yeah to be honest never thought of it like that. I totally dig the fact that there is a brutalist genre of architecture, but it's totally not for me, it's cool that it exists because it's like a counter balance for me, but i'm a neo-classical guy

>>10314484

if you're going to like gaudy architecture can it at least be art nouveau

>>10308237
funny, i always designed my sims house to have a open center, which in my mind would be like a zen garden, or have a small water feature or something

need some comfy

>>10314490
>being ignorant
neoclassical is basically the opposite of gaudy

>>10314607

it's deliberately using unnecessary features simply because they're 'classical'

i don't hate it but i feel like it's just half-assed, neither-here-nor-there

>>10314679
i highly recommend you educate yourself on what neoclassicism is before saying something even more retarded

>>10314720

post some good minimal neoclassical then mate

>>10314736
classicism in architecture is a system of restraint, clarity and formalism, but not minimalism

the facade is orderly and formal, note the symmetry and unity of the windows and pediment. ornament is sparse and distinct; no elements overlap. the colour is simple and severe, emulating (what historians used to think) classical-period greek and roman architecture looked like

you could have discovered this yourself in about five seconds of googling, but whatever. about the only thing you could m a y b e call gaudy about neoclassical architecture is the later 19th century trend towards the massive and the monumental

>>10314789

i learned all of this in my architectural courses

it's not like i'm offended by it, it's functional and pleasant, i see it the same way as i see the Bauhaus which i mentioned earlier in the thread

there are simply more interesting forms of architecture which are more enthusiastic in either the classical or simple manner, and i'd rather something be more interesting and polarizing than simply bland and functional

>>10314841
>it's deliberately using unnecessary features simply because they're 'classical'
was the only think i was arguing against, because its a retarded statement

if that wasn't you, then everyone's entitled to their opinion so whatever

if that was you: nice backpedaling

>>10314871

i still stand by that as i think you're misunderstanding

look at the building you posted, the trims, scrolls, and engravings

they don't have any need to be there but architectural/classical convention, and don't make an interesting statement either as art nouveau would

i see it in the same way as wearing a suit to appear professional

i like the effect, but the means is silly. there is no reason that a suit with a jacket and collared shirt needs to be 'professional' or that a jumpsuit happens to be not. suits only exist as such due to the gradual development of them and the fact that they do indeed require effort only to show that effort, rather than necessarily the overall look thereof.

if you simply wish to fit in and make a simple statement, a simple suit will do. but I'd rather go one direction or the other - either an interesting and unique suit which builds and warps the history behind it, or ignore the conventions altogether and wear modern clothing

>>10314841
neo-classical isn't bland, it's monumental, it's powerful, is it depressing like the brutalist genre? No it's a strong, symbolic and representative of the past, it's not just art for arts sake, it's great because it can work in a city environment, we can't all live in these tiny featureless glass houses, and suburban planning won't allow for retarded triangle shaped buildings, look at Paris, it's an entire city made of stone, they built one sky scraper in the heart of paris and hated it, and they never did it again, and Paris is arguably the most beautiful city in the world - neoclassical

also, stop being such an arrogant dick

>>10314924

but the best bits of paris are the most outrageous, the tower and the art nouveau bits

i have no plans to stop being an arrogant dick, it's got me this far in life

>>10314914
i'm not sure i understand this long and contrived metaphor, but basically it seems to me you're just trying to say
"I don't like classical architecture its not interesting enough"

well then... ok

as for the first part, no ornament is just haphazardly thrown on there and nothing is unnecessary or excessive, if that's what you're implying. every piece was carefully selected and placed according to equal parts tradition and the principles of classical roman and greek architectural ideals

>>10314935
there are none of those things in paris, it's literally all made of stone....have you ever been?

>>10305713
Was gonna post this.

Minimalism at its finest

>>10314960

because it's neither minimal or interesting

i just can't see why you'd attach your taste to something so boring

>>10314969

indeed i have, lovely city

none of what things? nouveau is stone and metal, there is lots and lots of it in paris if you know where to look

>>10308237
That must be sweet with appropriate lighting and snow at night.

The central hub at my uni

>>10305658
My dad is a licensed architect and got his degree at the Graduate School of Design at Harvard, and had to take quite a few engineering classes for his degree. He also has to continuously keep up to date on structural engineering, codes, etc. for testing to keep his license current.

It's funny because he hasn't actually worked on a "real" building since the '80s, as he fell into the movie/TV business as a Set Designer and eventually became an Art Director.

I've always liked architecture myself, and thought about following him into it, but discovered that like most other art fields, 99% of people have their heads completely up their own asses and I couldn't stand dealing with them.

>>10309077
Looks like a fucking reaper

>>10304716
late century but w/e, "Gare do Oriente", Portugal, 1998

>>10314969
> there is no tower in paris

Not the other guy, but I feel like I have been goaded into replying.

so what do you guys think about this years expo in milano? any favourites?

pick related, interior of pavillion zero

>>10316537
here an overview of the participants
source: http://www.expo2015.org/en/participants

>>10304716
I like the minimalism, but the material looks cheap. Should have been marble.
>>10305021
Same with this one.
>>10305411
Looks good, but a roof going out half a metre out from the walls would be better.
>>10305489
8/10
>>10305498
4/10
>>10305504
8.5/10 fucking awesome with the scenery and the tree in the background
>>10305519
Kinda dystopian feel, 6/10
>>10305820
Looks great, 9/10
>>10305948
Ehh not bad, 6/10
>>10305965
Shit, 3/10
>>10306082
Would suicide/10
>>10306201
Nothing special, 7/10
>>10306251
dystopian/10
>>10307055
8/10
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>>10308224
I fucking hate the fact that such buildings exist.

Oh, and
>inb4 no one asked you to rate faggot
Fuck you asshole I do what I want on an anonymous Nepalese cartoon pornographic image board.

>>10316882
>I like the minimalism, but the material looks cheap. Should have been marble.

I don't think marble would suit it. Marble as a material conveys a certain sense of extravagance and lavishness, which is kind of the opposite to modernist architecture's philosophy of simplicity. The untextured blank facade of modernist designs is part of its traits.

>>10316882
>Should have been marble.
and you should've been born intelligent in the first place.

>>10309075
fuck off brazilian, nobody cares about your cities

>muh government control tower

so glad theyre demolishing all the brutalist atrocities in my city

>>10317019
I see. Then I would prefer a style of which it goes away from a modernist style towards a modern 21st century style. Of course, that style did not exist when that building was built, which I assume was during the 50s or 60s. Anyways, maintain the same minimalist structure, but a more, as you say, extravagant by using marble. It would combine minimalism with a beautiful and detailed material. The Oslo opera house did so and I think that style is great.
>>10317020
:^)

>>10317042
>The Oslo opera house did so and I think that style is great.

Yeah, that might work, since they break up the marble texture by using a tile pattern. Otherwise it would look like huge slabs of marble stacked together which would be a bit much.

I feel like it might have something to do with the form of the building too, since the Brazilian Congress building is composed of traditional geometries, which already gives it a sense of formality and monumentality, so using marble would make the whole design feel very excessive in grandeur. But the Oslo Opera House uses more unconventional shapes in its composition which is more playful and light, so it can get away with using marble cladding.

>>10317084
I agree. These buildings are also built in different eras. I enjoy them both, but the Brazilian Congress building almost looks like a miniature due to its lack of detail and simplicity.

Do you think it would be possible to achieve a combination between modern, minimalist, architecture with the classical, highly detailed, architecture from 17th- up to mid-19th century?

>>10317118
Do you think it would be possible to achieve a combination between modern, minimalist, architecture with the classical, highly detailed, architecture from 17th- up to mid-19th century?

It would be pretty difficult, since as you pointed out the nature of modernism is minimalist, whereas classical architecture often has highly detailed ornamentation, so the two clash. In fact the roots of modernism sort of began from the revolt against the use of ornamentation in architecture. Finding a balance between the two would be hard to execute tastefully. The closest you get to that is some contemporary designs which are simple in their basic form but then have surfaces which are broken up into intricate tessellating patterns. Facade patterning is really as far as ornamentation goes nowadays.

>>10317142
Crap, didn't greentext the quote.

>>10317142
>It would be pretty difficult
Nothing wrong with that.
>modernism
Doesn't have to be modernism, just modern architecture.

I think minimalism and classicism would make a nice contrast if it's done correctly.

>>10317146
No worries m8