/fa/ - Fashion

>>18020723
It's a fine watch. Is it running well?

>>18020733
I've never tried to buy them there, but buying them from overseas is definitely cheaper than local usually, even with import taxes. Also, with the Japanese you can be assured of authenticity, unlike with China or any other nation.

>>18020739
Disagree. 'Luxury' is simply something that is not necessary. All of my watches are a luxury. Your definition is incorrect.

>>18020755
Tudors don't have 'great manufacture calibers'. They just use ETA and Breitling. Buy the watch if you love it, but be sure to try it on before and whatever you do, don't buy it as a Rolex cope...you'll never scratch the itch.

>>18020757
FWIW, I have a local Grand Seiko AD, and their prices are comparable to Japan for new models. So buying GS as an import is only useful for Japan-only models as well as vintage. But that's just me.

>>18020879
An oldy, but goldy.
>pic related

>>18020925
Holy Grail, and everything else, as always. Switched out the 321 to the leather strap for a while, and the 1861 back to the stock bracelet. You know, once the old 1861 bracelet is sized correctly, it fits like a gem.

>>18020947
Dual-wielding is great, I do it daily.

>>18021092
I think it's great, though I do really love the Darth as well. The date window is shit for me, as I wear them on my right wrist. Still, an iconic design with iconic movement (and at least the subdials aren't cut off).

>>18021152
Like the stormchaser who waits near the 'car worsh'. Those were comfy hurricane eves...

>>18021249
If you love it, you win. I still love my 2599.80, even though it's cheap.

Hope all of you are in good health and spirits. The port is flowing, and it's time to relax!

>>17818488
Poor people have more important things to think about than being 'into watches', if we're being honest. Food, shelter, all of those things matter more than luxury goods. In that, I think it's clear that we agree. But I think watches are like cars in that respect; so many people are 'into supercars', yet very few can actually afford them. It doesn't mean the knowledge base isn't interesting to learn.

>>17818493
You might have been talking about consumerism being a hobby....I wasn't. Horology is also about appreciation of execution. You don't have to be a composer to be into music.

>>15857969
>>15857982

cont. You have to now put in the effort to look for a watch that is aesthetically beautiful to you, one that makes you feel something. One that you desire, that you lust after, and as you're saving up, that you even dream about. A watch that makes you scour the internet for every last morsel of information about it, one that makes you watch every single review of the watch on YouTube, regardless of how annoying the personality is. Then you start saving, and during the time taking to save you get to second-guess the decision of whether or not to buy. When you achieve the correct savings, if you still feel that this is the watch to own, then you pull the trigger. Then sweet sweet release is guaranteed to you. That's what I've done with all my watch purchases that are over 300$, and I've never been happier (but to be fair I haven't been buying watches often at all).

If you don't have a sincere honest passion about the watch you're going to spend money on, you'll regret it fully, guaranteed. I don't want you to feel that Anon.

>>15857984
I understand the housing situation, and I default to my previous statement: if you're weighing between a house and a watch, get the house as SOON AS POSSIBLE. Don't wait. Owning real estate can always be leveraged if you move to another city, so you've got nothing to lose. Renting is just throwing away money at this stage. So, forget the watch, and go for the real estate. Come back in a few years when things have settled down...if I'm not here, others will be.

>>15406179
>pic related...the only titanium watch I ever owned.

>>15406187
Citizen for the aesthetics, Seiko for the technology.

>>15406192
A lot of the watch channels rely on either companies or businesses to send them watches to review, so shitting on the watches usually discourages brands from being associated with the YouTuber. It's another form of 'access media' that film reviewers complain about.

>>15390307
I understand. I haven't mellowed out at all, and every time I think it's about to happen, another watch either performs so well I can't believe it or so poorly that I'm checking against time.gov. That's actually one of the things that annoys me about the traditional Speedy...that the seconds don't hack. Yes, you can apply backpressure to the crown and it might slow down/stop the seconds if you're low on power reserve...but I don't like doing that (my instinct makes me think it might damage the movement or something...dunno if it's true). That's really the one thing that's missing from that watch. Anyway, nice chrono!

>>15390309
Keep in mind that early generation Panerais were using ETA, Valjoux, etc. for their movements, and the pic you posted would not have had a display back. There are lots of ugly as shit movements with no finishing that perform fine. The issue you point out (limited edition costing thousands with no finishing in the movement) is a marketing issue, not a quality issue inherent to the performance of the timepiece.

You always have to ask yourself what the value of a watch actually is, and even though it's obvious, sometimes we forget. What are we paying for? (Anons can add to this list, of course):

1) Research and Design of movement
>If it's a generic movement by ETA et al then discard
2) R+D of watch casing and presentation
3) Manufacture (including materials used)
4) Assembly and Regulation
5) Testing
>depends on manufacturer and purpose of watch.
6) Brand markup.

Those I can think of off the top of my head. With the Panerai you are concerned about, 1 and 2 are negligible, 3, 4 and 5 apply to all of their watches, but 6 is the key. That's where the markup moons, but humans love to hear that something is in limited supply because if they get it, someone else doesn't. It plays to the biological need to survive and hoard and be better than one's neighbor or have a greater chance to survive with more food in the wild.

>>15323110
My old Panerai was in Titanium...yes, it definitely felt different than the steel, and it was warmer too, but I found that the heft of the steel no longer correlates to 'valuable' as it once did. You get used to it anon.

>pic related

>>15323207
Nice! Are they on the way, or have you yet to pull the trigger?

>>15143186
Fair enough..
Good luck Euroanon...I used to live there, glad I'm not there anymore. If you have a kid already, good luck with that too...it's fucking important to set them up for success. Train them well.

Sorry about the new watch though being in a drawer...I wear mine in rotation, even in the lockdown, because I enjoy them all. But I'm old.

Good eve, dream well, and try on the damn day-date (you'll be surprised).

>>15090458
Explain. What limitation is there?

>>14853970
What could possibly go wrong?

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>>14534686
That's okay, after a while everything else starts to look laughably small. As I said, it doesn't actually matter to me what other people think of whatever is on my wrist, and it hasn't mattered to me for a very long time.

It's a surprisingly rare Panerai though...so I didn't sell it but gifted it to my brother. Needless to say, they don't make them like they used to. At least I don't have to adjust my LH cuff anymore for the sizing...

>>13963251
Omega Seamaster pre-co-axial (from around 1995) is my primary workhorse and diving backup, and I got it full serviced from Omega last January so it's like-new; the Seagull 1963 is the secondary, which I use for fun (and no water).

My first mechanical was a Rotary I bought as a student, and it uses a Miyota movement that is automatic winding. I never wear it, but I remember good times with it. I had two Panerais, and they're both with my brother now and he enjoys them. I didn't want to sell them, as the titanium with the bracelet is very rare now, and so I gave them to him because he likes those for their look.

Beyond that, I never bothered. Earlier this year, I was planning to get the grail, but once I'd achieved the capability (i.e. saved enough for it) I stopped wanting it. I don't know...something clicked in my head that made me think this whole thing was rather foolish. Not in a bad way, per say...just that now that it was no longer a grail, or nearly unattainable, the value of having it on my wrist plummeted. Then that feeling translated into lots of other things as well, and I began to feel like the value of something I own comes directly from the experiences I've had with that object through my life. That's what makes it unique. Now, if I didn't have a single watch at all, and I had to buy one, that's another story. But I have plenty of them....and the ones I wear the most are the ones that have been through great and difficult times with me.

I still like watch aesthetics and looking at beautiful things, of course. But the need, the feeling of wanting to own something has left me entirely. Such is life...

>Pic is the titanium. My bro loves it, so at least someone is wearing it and enjoying it, and it stays in the family. The two-piece bracelet was normal back then...now they do a simpler and less costly one-piece...that's why it's rare. I know people here don't like Panerais, but to each his own.

>>13875209
Yeah, that was my understanding. The cost for a very good one has put me off getting one, but every few years I come back to the idea. I agree, both with the conversion issue as well as doing serious research before pulling the trigger. We'll see...Thanks for the thoughts.

>the one I don't miss...though it is somewhat rare in this titanium combo.

>>13675302
First, anyone can get robbed in the wrong part of town, so don't think about that issue.

Second, unless you're buying the watch to impress other people, don't pay attention to what you think they might think of you owning one. Buy it for yourself.

Third. In all honesty Anon, buying a luxury watch should be a purchase which you don't notice financially. If you're poor enough that this money really could go towards better things (better living arrangements, groceries, a car, etc.), then don't do it. It's not worth it at all.

If you're going to spend money on a luxury watch, then it has to be money that you won't miss at all. Honestly ask yourself if this is the case. And don't worry, luxury watches will still exist when you have the disposable income to afford one without worrying about it.