/fa/ - Fashion

>>6761068
>we have a fundamental disagreement about the first three points.
Care to go deeper?

>to suggest that #menswear is 'defining where the medium' ignores the fact that it only appeals to a narrow segment of the male population. most men don't dress that way and that speaks volumes about how the 'medium' is defined.
You don't understand how fashion works if you believe this comment. The loudest trendsetters set the trends, colours, cuts, patterns, style, all of it, then the rest boil it down and commercialize it for the common man.

These #menswear guys may look out there to you now, but if you look back on 2 years ago at some of the shit they were doing, I can guarantee you that you will see connections with stuff that is hot today.

>>6760953
I like how you boiled all my rambling bullshit down to one sentence that said it all.

Cheers.

>>6761047
I don't get this mentality. You are on the fashion sub-board of 4chan, so I get the b'tards showing up for some fun, but the idea that we shouldn't discuss or have deep feelings about the topic of this board is a little ridiculous.

I am passionate about fashion, and thus I have opinions and feels about it. I choose to share them here.

>>6760938
Streetwear has an argument, as it was always about being fresh. But it still evolved and changed and pushed forward. If you drop some of the kids in streetwear shit down in the 90s bronx with the sneaker heads of that day burying themselves in waffles, that shit is a completely different style. It was about completely different things. And a connection to fashion, wasn't really a tie to it. You didn't have people flexing to designers, you had people flexing to brands. It was about getting city wide tags, and brands that upped your prestige or level with the homies. It was a one up contest on costs, and on showing off how much you had and could blow. Now it is about doing that, and looking good when you are doing it.

None of these are really fashion enabled, because none of your examples were about being fashionable. They were uniforms for sub-sects of society, and thus they were followed. The #menswear revolution was all about breaking the sub-sects and allowing some white bread bitch like me the right to peacock my alden ass all day while I have no calluses on my hands, and would likely be murdered by any power tool I got near. It is a totally different conversation.

>>6760938
>men can still dress fashionably while retaining their masculinity: workwear, streetwear and traditional prep are styles that illustrate that men have always been 'fashion enabled'.

Ok.

>workwear
Up until the big online trad boom with Alden taking jumps and slowly but Shirley the rest of the Americana fest taking hold of Western Culture, there was very little situations in which someone dressed in 'workwear' was considered anything close to fashionable this side of Japan. This fashion renaissance we've had has allowed us to take hold of this male centric fashion genre and really propel it to a place where it is now acceptable as a 'fashionable' outfit.

It was literally workwear before.

>streetwear
Streetwear wasn't fashionable outside ghettos and shit. It was brought forward by the BB-boys and street artists into the main stream through rap music and then matured in its own right through that. It again, is relatively new, and outside of its culture wasn't considered fashionable until relatively recently.

Now you have guys in workwear, giving props to streetwear kids for their fits, and vice versa, before this type of thing didn't exist. One was the clothing of the working poor, the other was the clothing for the ethnic poor.

>traditional prep
Sure, I understand this one. But this isn't really a broad sweeping gesture either. As traditional prep says traditional in it's name. It is about following traditional ideals, and values. #menswear pushes it a little bit more, makes things a little bit harder to define. It isn't the same.

None of these were also fashionable pursuits. No one jerked off about Dickies or Aldens when they were woodworking. They owned this shit because it worked well and was what was considered a uniform. They weren't buying it because they looked good, they were buying it because it worked.

>>6760938
>why do you get to decide what's repressive? some people like traditional gender roles
It isn't about what some people like, or traditional gender roles at all. It is about understanding where the boundaries are today for menswear. And to do that, peacocking is needed. Its a new and vibrant world for mens fashion right now, so figuring out where we stand is apart of that. So the traditional roles kinda don't matter right now because we are redefining them.

Also, traditional roles don't exist within fashion. It is, and has always been ever changing.

>rich men can wear anything and still get laid. regular guys who imitate the clothing are out of luck. if you doubt me, try to imagine if your average 20 something first year insurance associate or whatever tried to pick up a girl wearing pic related. how do you think it would go?
I'd say you are completely wrong with that.

>i don't think 'peacocking' has ever solved a serious issue. #menswear lets its proponents think that they're protesting something but in reality it just exploits their vanity. #menswear is designed to make you honestly believe that you need a seersucker suit. #menswear is about commerce, not protesting gender roles.
I never said it was about protesting gender roles. I said it was a subconscious breath of air after the repression we've had in mens fashion for decades.

>using the phrase 'fashion enabled sex' un-ironically is impressive even for this board. #menswear is unappealing to most men (and probably most women) because it is flamboyant. men can still dress fashionably while retaining their masculinity: workwear, streetwear and traditional prep are styles that illustrate that men have always been 'fashion enabled'.
That doesn't matter, it is the loudest that defines what the loudest will be. And it is that loudest person that defines where the medium will be. The average rests on the shoulders of the loudest man in the room.

>>6760878
They aren't.

It is an impossibility to wear skinny jeans with a suit, as a suit is two pieces combined, both pants and jacket, made of the same cloth by the same hand at the same time.

They are wearing jeans with a blazer, or an odd jacket/casual jacket.

I don't really see any issue with that, and I don't quite know why anyone else would either when it is done well.

A little blood on some white shoes is pretty epic if it is earned properly.

Don't fret, get a pair of GATs, beat the fuck out of some people till they look like bloodstained paintdrops, and be nextlevel as fuck.

>>6760698
It doesn't though. With the gender repression came the gender ideals which stipulated that males needed to dress in an un-feminine way.

If you were a man, and dressed feminine, you were a gay. Now, you can wear any colours you want and still be a straight guy getting his dick sucked by multiple bitties while listening to hood shit like Las over here.

The femininity actually proves the logic more than it destroys it. As the gender roles are what they are peacocking against.

Masculinity doesn't need to mean cowboy hats and horrible suits, it can mean a lot fucking more than that. And its questioning what it means that we found ourselves in when all the peacocking happens.

It is about finding our new role as a fashion enabled sex, and learning the boundaries is the phase we are kinda pushing through right now.

>>6760652
and to think I thought I liked you

Goatees are for dicks
Don't talk about your friends fashion unless she asks for your opinion, otherwise she doesn't need to hear it and it wont have any affect on her what so ever.
shave your face and let your friend do whatever she wants.

>>6760498
It isn't gay, or self consciously gay, but it is akin to coming out of the closet.

For most of the peacocking in #menswear(also people need to know the difference between #menswear and menswear and dadcore, they different bitches) comes from the regression through the 90s and early aughts in mens fashion.

We were a repressed sex, in terms of fashion, at this point in time. If you looked after yourself, you were a metro half man with fag roots. If you ever declared "I am interested in fashion" in any way, you were pretty much a sissy boy, there was no disconnect between being interested in what you wear and your sexuality back then.

I realize in some communities you may still feel this, but the reality is the world has progressed to a point that being a male with a favorite designer is a perfectly fine thing. Being a male interested in female designs is a perfectly fine thing. Being a male in the fashion industry, is again, a perfectly fine thing. Even further though, you are no longer gay because of any of that.

The #menswear illuminati, and the minions and denizens that follow them, are really just screaming at the top of their lungs like a just-out-of-the-closet-kid with their passion for fashion(fuck me, I just put those words together?) So they allow their articles to be flamboyant because in the past they weren't even allowed to suggest they were interested in fashion. It's a way of subconsciously sticking it to the assholes that made them hide, or pretend, or that kept them from enjoying fashion the way they do now.

So is #menswear self consciously gay? No, not at all. It peacocks for a reason, even if that reason is underlying and completely subconscious.

Why do you post such annoying as fuck pictures?

>>6754823
huh?

These are my beater CP's

I have nicer ones

but I treat them all the same

>>6748293
First it was gay emulation, now its street shit.

Blame Kreayshawn.

>>6748258
From reading the threads here, and what people have said outside of /fa/, there have always been people willing to do it.

>>6748271
As far as I know, the only thing janitors can't do is talk about being a janitor. It is like fight club. I don't believe there is any rule that stipulates they can no longer post in the sections they janitor.

>>6748228
how?where?why?who?what?

>>6748219
>will be solved when janitor apps come around
We've had a number of janitor applications, and a number of people have applied, and to my knowledge we still don't have a mod that frequents this section much.

Mods = Global though, they everywhere. So really it is a janitor with some balls working with active mods that we need.

>>6748222
More than welcome to try that out, others have also(including myself a number of time) to no avail. But that might just be because there are no applicants that have really struck a cord with the people deciding who gets signed up, and who does not.

>>6748211
I agree completely.

Even if the majority of my posts tonight would be deleted if we had a mod like that.

The wiki thread gave me hope to be honest. The collaboration with that was fucking amazing.

>>6748142
Also, just to give you a short list of shit that drains my /fa/ love

/fa/ fail threads
mfa trips
buy this for cheaper shit(only when it is already the cheap option(YO CLARKS DB IS TOO FUCKING EXPENSIVE SON WHAT IS CHEAPER))
tripjerks (self fulfilling prophecy)
Anon's chasing trips around (for good, or bad, it is fucking annoying to hear for the 90th time how much someone wants to suck knocks dick when the dude busted out of here because of how nuts some of the people were)
and uninformative posts on topics that could be incredibly interesting if people put some thought into it. This is a big one for me, I fucking hate the "YOU CARE LOL" trolls, and the whole "I CANT BE CAUGHT CARING BOUT THIS" mentality people seem to have here sometimes. Its weak, and kills conversations almost as well as my posts do.

>>6748126
>so basically "/fa/ culture" is changing again or something and for some reason you are still here complaining about it?
/fa/ culture changes by the minute, that is what people forget a lot. This place is hardly ever a constant for pretty much anything. It is so quick to change styles, change the interest level of threads, and even change the number of solid responses a question gets.

What has been happening lately, is those luls between informative times, and boring as fuck times has just increased like crazy. And this isn't because I am not some goffninja mother fucker, because I appreciate learning in anyway about fashion as I truly love the topic.

The issue is a simple one, and its people posting now for personal gain, accomplishment, or acclaim. No one is just posting to help a brother out, or to guide people through. There always seems to be some fucked up ulterior motive to everything here now.

So am I complaining? In threads like this, why the fuck not? Typically though, nah, I just don't post and cruise other boards.

>>6748094
ratchet pussy isn't worth no kickstarter.

>>6748107
>saged, filtered, and reported.
fuckin hatchan 2.0 over here

>>6748015
I felt so conflicted when I heard her voice for the first time, it was such a mindfuck, I still can't get over it sometimes.

>>6748038
She turned pyscho bitch pretty quick, not spoony level, but fuck. She posted awhile ago, regained all that /fit/ /throwup/ weight and seemed just as unhappy and lonely as the first go around.

>>6748063
We fucks with each other on last.fm every once in awhile, but it isn't like it used to be. Sad stuff.

>>6748066
>ethered
fucking hate that shit.

>>6747999
I hear you.

The few people that I recognize here(either through trips/posting styles, WYWT posts, or even just images that get dropped every once in awhile) I have this weird ass bond with, even if I've never really spoken to them, simply because I know they've been round.

I don't know why the fuck I care, but I do.

Then we have the revolving door of newpeeps showing up like this >>6748041 thinking any of their ideas on this shit, or other shit, is fresh or new because last week they didn't even know what an oldfag was.

The drama now is different too, it is less centered on one person, or one person causing it all or peeps getting in other peoples business. It is a weird chaotic thing that is hilarious to watch.

>>6748032
Theres also a lot of sexual implications happening lately, which is hilarious.

>>6748034
Some of us have been here for more years then you've been in highschool. There is naturally going to be some attachment with the place after that amount of time.