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882912 No.882912 [Reply] [Original]

I'm considering building an underground storage room/bunker on some of my land, what's the best method of doing so?

>> No.882913

>>882912
hiring an architect

>> No.882914

You can look in here

http://www.. undergroundhousing.com/book.html

https://thepiratebay .gd/torrent/4342780/THE_50_DOLLAR_AND_UP_UNDERGROUND_HOUSE_BOOK

try looking these

>> No.882915
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882915

>>882914
Don't forget about Disco Dave!

http://www.discodavestunnelguide.com/

>> No.882917

>>882914
Cheers. I like Mike Oehler, the Louis Theroux documentary on him had some interesting stuff in it.

>> No.882941

>>882914
no seeds

>> No.882949

>>882912
Depends, do you want out to be safe and durable, or cheap/off the record.
If you want it to be safe and not fall apart in with the first rainfall, you want to hire an engineer to draw up plans for it, then either hire someone to do the evacuation and concrete work, or diy the work.
If you absolutely don't want any record of it, just shoot yourself in the head now, since it'll, at best, collapse when you're not in it, and at worst, collapse with you in it.

>> No.882958

Do you want a bunker or cellar?
Bunkers of any value these days need to deep, very deep.

Cellars on the other hand is just cut and cover.

>> No.882959

>>882912
i always report these kinds of threads to the FBI because rape dungeons are not cool.

>> No.882961

Gather many salamanders my friend.

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882962

>>882959
Reported for declaring a report.

>> No.882965
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882965

I have an idea of how to do it.

You build something above ground first, a solid cube-like structure, then you dig a big hole and place it into it and bury around the structure except the top.

Of course, such a thing would be incredibly heavy and hard to move and might be better to construct while inside of the hole, but it would work.

And here is a hastily made animation of what I mean.

>> No.882966

>>882965
me

the more I think about it, the easier it would be to do this.

Find somebody experienced in digging pools or graves, where you can be assured that your hole is flat, and then after you build the cube you just rent a crane to lift and put it in.

>> No.882969

You bury a steel shipping container. Dig a big hole, throw some gravel around for drainage, drop container in it.
This is the best way

>> No.882970

>>882965
>>882966
What the fuck. Why wouldn't your pour the concrete into the hole instead of pouring it above ground and trying to move the whole fucking thing? Your idea is almost as terrible as your animation. Is that milkshape or something?

>> No.882976

>>882970

That's an idea too. Basically make a pool, but put a top over it. Ingenious idea, I'm glad I thought of it.

>> No.883031

Wasn't there a thread about this where the Lego equivilent of concrete was discussed?

>> No.883043

>>882912
just wing it and go slowly

>> No.883049

Same way you build a basement of a house. Dig a big hole, pour concrete, make a roof, cover it up again.

>> No.883058

>>882941
http://library.uniteddiversity.coop/Ecological_Building/The_$50_and_up_Underground_House_Book.pdf

>> No.883075
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883075

Beep boop

>> No.883076
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883076

>>883075
Totally a good idea yep

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883077

>>883075
That said - shit'll buckle.
Some cylindrical would work better, like a large sewage pipe, or an oil truck.

>> No.883091

>>883075

Shipping containers can be stacked 20 high because of their frames. The siding is not structurally sound.

>> No.883102

>>883091
Nor is the roof. Can you build structures out of them? Yes and it's been done since they were ever a thing. They're cramped and if you're not a hell of a welder don't bother. if you are, enjoy cutting fucking everything.

You cannot bury them.

>> No.883107

>>883075
good idea for the inside of a poured concrete steel reinforced form, that's about it.

>> No.883114
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883114

What about the heavily ribbed containers that are used shift the compacted waste?

>> No.883129

The container thing is fine with proper support, bricks on the outer walls and a proper slab supported above it.

>> No.883130

Contact at&t or your local phone company. We put down small to very large man holes for switching rooms. The largest I seen was three floors down by 20' wide by 40' long.

>> No.883195

>>882969
you trying to kill him or at least waste his money?

shipping contains collapse with just 18 inches of dirt on top.

>>882912
You want to dig in hard packed silt. If you need a pick axe to dig through it. Then it is generally strong enough to hold up. Clay is ok too, but will need significant reinforcement. Sand and loamy soils are not ok, ever.

>> No.883202

>>883076

How? How does that little amount of dirt crush the container? I don't get it.

>> No.883213

>>883202
One cubic yard of soil weighs 1700lbs. I did some quick math and I believe 18" of soil across the top is 102,000lbs.

>> No.883214

>>883202
Mass on portions of the roof that weren't intended to take direct weight

>> No.883216
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883216

>>883214

Dude, those things are made to be stacked.

>> No.883218

>>883216
yes. see the big strong engineered steel beams on the corners and along the edges?

And the comparatively thin walls? Yeah.

>> No.883221

>>883216
THe EDGES hold the weight. The roof is weak as fuck.

>> No.883223

>>883075
I know that shipping containers are a really shitty method of doing that, but what about a really big, heavily modified septic tank? Those are actually made to be buried

>> No.883224

>>883223
Yes.

>> No.883228

>>883223
>septic tank

Small. Really small.

>> No.883230

>>883223
Please go live in a shitter.

>> No.883251

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1t7r3SKT2o

thats how you do it and yes the music is quite important in building a good bunker

>> No.883416

>>883221
>take sqaured sides off of several shipping containers
>weld them like a shipping container
>perfect bunker

>> No.883424

>>883251
I hope he poured cement around the outside. Otherwise the steel is just going to rust and leak in a few years.

>> No.883453

>>883223
My father used to make weapons caches from this method, confirm it works

>> No.883459
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883459

I would go more for german Blockhaus design. Those things are solid as hell. There are a few of them nearby, tempests cannot break them, even the land as moved from 150m, eaten by the sea. they remain still.
http://www.regelbau.com/on_regelbau_gb.htm

>> No.883474

So, would it take something akin to the London Underground-level of construction to erect an underground building that would last a long time?

>> No.883475

>>883474
where do you live
london is clay so the ground collapses at the drop of a hat and needs support and structure.
if you live on solid rock you could (with great difficulty) just cut a hole in rock and throw a ladder down.

>> No.883479

>>883475
In my case, Houston, which is wet soil, as opposed to the clay of London. Shit sucks. We aren't allowed to have basements because of it.

Relevant link: http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2002/04/29/focus5.html

>> No.883483
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883483

>>883475
Like Stockholm

>> No.883486
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883486

>>883479
if you can't build down you'll have to just build up.

>> No.883519

>>883483
i opened this up without realising it was part of this thread and immediately dismissed it as unrelated album art or something.
what a cool place.

>>883479
>Shit sucks.
clay fucking sucks. on a possibly unrelated note i'm digging a soakaway at my parents house. clay raises the apparent water table, the garden bogs and the garage floods when the rain is heavy which is once a month. if i can dig through the clay into soil it will drain.
i'm 4m down and its still fucking clay.
pain in the ass to excavate a 1mx1m hole that deep too.

>> No.883523

>>883486
this is hot but what really gets me going is the solid&handrail kind of paths around forests rather than the loose rope bridges.
actually that treehouse looks like it needs some flashing work around the tree through the roof.

>> No.883801

>>883523
i think it's a lightwell kind of thing. walls inside the house around the tree, so not exposed to elements.

>> No.883811

LSU has various building plans, involving fallout shelter style construction. These are likely leftover from the cold-war era. One example ...
http://www.lsuagcenter.com/en/our_offices/departments/Biological_Ag_Engineering/Features/Extension/Building_Plans/beef/equipment/Bunkertype+Fallout+Shelter.htm

>> No.883871

>>882913
>hiring an architect
do you even know what an architect actually does?

>> No.883877

Great resource for underground housing:

http://library.uniteddiversity.coop/Ecological_Building/The_$50_and_up_Underground_House_Book.pdf

>> No.883891

>>883251

>colinfurze

Fuck off.

>> No.883911

>>883891
problem?

>> No.883915

>>883911

He's shit.

>> No.883920

>>883915
any specific grievances?

>> No.883921

>>883920

Everything about him.

>> No.883922

>>882969
I concur this

>> No.884091

>>883251
B-but he didn't use shipping containers. I call heresy.

>> No.884685

>>883216

You can even see the side has been dented on the red container on the second row up on the left side.

>> No.884852

>>883114
they aren't nearly as cheap, which defeats the purpose.

>> No.884870

>>882965
Or how about you just buy a old shipping container and make a large hole to bury the container in- gives you a nice large relatively dry cellar and you can cut entrances in where ever on it

>> No.884900

>>884852
But they won't collapse in on you like a shipping container would. Stop being a Jew with your own life.

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884907

>>884870

>> No.884955

>>883216
>>883221
Looking at >>883216 , what if someone buried a 3x3 of shipping containers with the intention of only using the middle container for any living/storage purposes? While the outer 8 containers may have crushed walls/roofs, should the center container not have any faults due to a distribution of forces?

>> No.884957

Topsoil weighs about 2000 pounds per yard and much more when wet. For a 20' shipping container that's buried 18" that's at least 10 tons of weight, 16 tons for 30', etc. They aren't meant to be buried, and you'll kill yourself.

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884977

>>884907
School busses. CHEAP,Cheaper with no engine/transmission. Domed ceiling. Space underneath for plumbing/storage tanks, drain sump and spiderhole escape tunnel. Emergency exits on roof. Tough steel. More seats that you need (turn into support beams for tunnels?).

>> No.884998
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884998

If you want to go with a full bunker, don't waste money on a shipping container. Think round. Get yourself a piece of large diameter culvert that is actually designed to burred under several feet of earth. Check your area's fire code and design accordingly. Install utility lines and internal framework. It might be wise to coat the outside with tar or something to prevent rust. Furnish up the rest to your liking, and remember to use every inch of space. Dig a hole and drop that bitch in. Some concrete reinforcement wouldn't be a bad idea, and don't forget about drainage.

And now you have a bunker.

>> No.885003

>>884998
Any good companies / methods to purchase or obtain these culverts? I'm presuming just contact with local construction companies in the area.

>> No.885006

>>884998
Any good companies to purchase from? I'm kind of assuming you just need to contact the local construction companies in a specific area.

>> No.885008

>>885003
>>885006
Wow GG 4chan, lying to me about a supposed connection error.

>> No.885011

>>882965
we have to move these refrigerators

>> No.885014
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885014

>>885006
>Any good companies to purchase from?

This is the best:

http://www.atlassurvivalshelters.com/

Buy whatever size you can afford from them, or copy their method of construction.

>> No.885019

>>884998
>full bunker
>large diameter culvert
steel nuclear halving thickness = 25mm
packed soil = 110mm
1000 factor protection = 10 halving thicknesses
so if your culvert is an inch thick it needs to be at least 1m underground unless you want to get burned.

>> No.885026

>>885011
i get that reference

>> No.885061

>>884998
>quonset hut
I lived in one for 7-8 years until I saved up enough to build a real house. Fuckers are great, if a little drafty. A couple hundred bucks' worth of fiberglass insulation and spray foam fixed that issue right up.
Off-topic, but thought it might help some anon out there.

>> No.885065

>>885019
If you have to worry about getting burned, you're gonna die from the blast pressure.
True 'Bomb Shelters' aren't feasible for most peoples' budgets, so in actuality, most of them are just fallout shelters. All you need for that is about 10 inches of soil, preferably packed down, between you and the surface to protect you from 60-70% of gamma radiation, which, iirc, isn't the biggest radiation threat, since any major sources of gamma will decay after a couple of days. Actually, Alpha and Beta radiation are much more ionizing than gamma, and both can be blocked very easily.

>> No.885069

>>885011
we have to move these color TV's.

>> No.885072

>>885065
Yep. the real issue is going to be air re-circulation/filtering.

>> No.885114

>>884955
Yes, or you could just use concrete blocks and get an area that covers the same footing and is 100% habitual.

>> No.885117

>>884977
>Loads of windows for the nice view of compacted soil

>> No.885125

>>885072
Which is gonna be the biggest pain in the ass to blast proof, followed by the door.

>> No.885138

>>885125
No, it's quite easy, anyone can buy a nbc filter system. You use rapid closing blast valves at the intake.

>> No.885155

>>883891
>>883251
i think he actually steals his ideas from /diy/ i mean really

>> No.885580

>>883811
http://www.lsuagcenter.com/en/our_offices/departments/biological_ag_engineering/features/extension/building_plans/dairy/housing/stall+barn++fallout+shelter.htm

http://www.lsuagcenter.com/en/our_offices/departments/biological_ag_engineering/features/extension/building_plans/dairy/housing/fallout+shelterdairy+barn.htm

http://www.lsuagcenter.com/en/our_offices/departments/biological_ag_engineering/features/extension/building_plans/dairy/housing/free+stall+fallout+shelter+for+dairy+cows.htm

>> No.886353

>>885117
You can always paint them if that bothers you.

>> No.886389
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886389

whats with tanktainer instead of an shipingcontainer

>> No.886390

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1t7r3SKT2o

whats ur opinion on this

>> No.886445

>>886390
already posted faggot

>> No.886723

>>886389
sure, if you keep it pressurized from the inside.

>>886390
>beautiful stone
>backfills and lines with steel
wut

>> No.886724

>>882913
Hiring an archeologist

>> No.886741

>>884955

First time I've thought of this. I typically don;t click on these threads anymore:

Since they stack so nicely, dig a hole, put in some crushed stone or pur some concrete. Drop in a container. You'll need to build some sort of wall around it to keep the soil from pushing the walss in. Put a container on top that's at ground level.
Now you've got a cool urban container house that everyone loves, and one underneath where you can be a wienie.

>> No.886769

>>886390
He's sold out.

>> No.886875

>>883043
Kek

>> No.886879

>>883223
That or box culvert sections.

>> No.886881

>>883228
Use more than 1 and connect them with 54 inch diameter resin double walled culvert. The advantage here is that it's modular- you can add to it as resources allow. Resin septic tanks are probably light enough that you could move one around with a backhoe.

>> No.887541

>>882969
No. Just no. It hasn't got the structural integrity.

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>>882959
>rape dungeons

>> No.887703
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887703

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UKNajCgpEs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8yiuJ9yFic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1t7r3SKT2o

>> No.888580

>>887703
literally posted twice already, stop, spamming is against the rules

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888620

>>888580
you are a really boring person anon chill out a little eh.

>> No.888671

I build concrete foundations as my 9-5. If you're still entertaining the idea of using concrete then you would have to know about specific soil conditions of your area because that is one of your main factors in deciding how deep to go and how thick of walls. A quick search of your areas building code should be able to give you the answer.
In terms of price:
Unless you have stacks of form-ply sheets just sitting around, as well as an excavator and whatever other random tools you need, I wouldn't bother with a diy approach. Hire a professional

>> No.888714

That rape dungeon tho.

>> No.889915

>>883891
Nothing wrong with Colin Furze, he is very skilled and also funny as fuck

>>888580
sorry m8 didnt see

>> No.890116

>>883129
So, if you put a container inside a totally enclosed underground concrete structure it will be safe?
Why use the container then?
Oh , to save money

>> No.890118

>>883213
Now think about if the soil gets soaked with water

>> No.890126

>>883114

They might be build to resist pressure pushing out against the sides, but I'm not sure how well they would deal with pressure from the dirt pushing in. The pressure inside pushes the walls against the ribs, but the pressure outside would push the walls away from the ribs, and the welds connecting them are spaced out.

>> No.890135

>>882949

You don't need an engineer to tell you how to cast a concrete and steel box. A bit of experience in construction and you can easily overbuild it to be safe.

Here in the third world carpenters can build 3 story concrete buildings with no engineering design plan or any kind of real plan and they hold up for decades in coastal, tropical environments and decades of hurricanes.

A little 40'x20' box should be easy and safe enough for anyone who has even been a laborer on a job site that was more than just building American paper and cardboard cookie cutter housing.

>> No.890138

>>882914
Please seed!

>> No.890201

>>883519

If you have that much clay on the surface you may never find good soaking soil underneath.

>> No.890208

>>888671

Depending on his size he can get by with minimal hand tools. It will just take a long time.

We sometimes build concrete septic tanks that are square 20x20x20 and its all done by hand by 3-5 guys. Usually takes us 2-3 weeks to dig 2 days to mat the base, a day to cast the base, then we just run blocks with tie ins to the starter bars and cast the ceiling. We throw very large very porous volcanic rock around the outside cover the top with plastic and then fill in. My family has been doing it that way since they came here a few generations ago and they all still work

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>>890138

http://library.uniteddiversity.coop/Ecological_Building/The_$50_and_up_Underground_House_Book.pdf

>> No.891146

>>883519
>4m
American here, you mean like 14 feet? Are you in this hole as you're digging? Be careful with that, you're in a confined space. Likely you'll be fine, but pay attention to the way you feel. It's more than possible naturally occurring gases from the earth can seep in, or that you breathing hard while shoveling(creating carbon dioxide) could displace air and cause asphyxiation. Like I said, not likely, but be aware it can happen.

>> No.891180

Can't one bury a shipping container that's roof is reinforced with arcs, not unlike the "roof" in >>883251 ?
Not a physicsfag or even a /diy/ person, just wondering.

>> No.891181

>>891180
The walls would fail quickly without similar reinforcement in most soils

>> No.891258

>>882912
Why u wanna fritzel?

>> No.891299

>>882959
...you're right, rape dungeons aren't 'cool'...

....rape dungeons are FANTASTIC...

>> No.891308

>>885014
Those shelters look like the most retarded things, they're build to be like a house... It's fucking tube under ground and they have leather sofas, showers and toilets... what exactly are you supposed to do with any of that?
Where are you getting the water to flush the toilet and shower? If this is supposed to be used in a nuclear situation? All the ground water would be irradiated... You would need a tank, but why would you waste the water for a fucking toilet? Go shit outside ffs.
There is nothing about that company that makes sense. They don't have an innovative product, it's literaly just a metal tube. They have a picture of a guy on a mobile phone... they bury these things 20 feet underground...

>> No.891400

>>891308
Uhh, have you never of this little thing called a well?

>> No.892097

>>891308
>what are you supposed do with a leather sofa
Sit on it? They're decorated that way so you can maintain a similar standard of living, to make a disaster easier to deal with. I mean, if you gotta go underground might as well be comfortable. if you're paying 100k for a metal tube you can probably afford the sofa no problem. If you're going down there your house might have been destroyed in the event that forced it, so you have to live in the tube for the foreseeable future. And underground water may not have been affected.

The only thing I think is dumb about the pictures is the guy with the rifle poking out. Anyone that sees the hatch and sand bags will know something's up, and if you're head is out and you're shooting at something what's stopping something from coming up behind you? And what would you even be shooting at? Commies? Zombies? Raiders? Super mutants? Shooting them only lets others know you're there.

>> No.892152

>>884900
wht not shipping container and pour concrete around it?

>> No.892174

>>892152
Here's your reply

>> No.892179

>>892152
Because then you wouldn't be able to get in the shipping container

>> No.892284

>>892179
well you board up the sides by the door, i mean the ladder has to go down and you need to be able to open something right?

>> No.892287

don't do what with guy did

but do have an arched roof https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1t7r3SKT2o

>> No.892288

>>887703
>>886390
fucking lol
>>892287

my bad guys

>> No.892296

>>890208

>Spending 2-3 weeks digging a fucking hole
>Not spending 2-3 hours with an excavator

Wow your family is dumb as fuck.

>> No.892298

>>883130

i'm going to need pics of that

>> No.892312

>>885011
We need more of you here.

>> No.892321

>>892287
i want you to imagine rust stomping on a human face forever