/diy/ - Do It Yourself

[Anonymous No.400280]

It's that time again /diy/.

Rate the contents of my bug out bag!

From left to right, top to bottom:

First aid kit that includes bandages, gauze, antibiotics, tylenol, burn cream, a pocket mirror and a basic suture kit.
Fixed blade knife.
Folding knife.
100 feet of 550 cord and 3 carabiner.
A hatchet.
All my important documents (passport, birth cert, social security card, and $150 cash).
Iodine for water purification.
Knife sharpener.
LED flashlight.
Toothbrush and nail cutter.
Homemade fire starting kit (includes cotton balls covered in petroleum jelly, water proof matches, dryer lint, and a magnesium bar)
5 steel snares.
One over sized poncho.
A bunch of plastic bags and two thermal blankets.
3600 calorie emergency food bars.
Canteen and canteen cup.
1.5 liters of water.

This bag is intended to get me from my house to a predetermined location about 10 miles into the woods. The location is extremely isolated, but does have fresh water which is why I only have 1.5 liters in the bag. I believe between what I have in the bag and my knowledge of trapping and fishing I could live for weeks at the location. I'm trying to keep the bag as light as possible so I can travel very quickly to the location.

[Anonymous No.400282]

I guess besides just rating my gear, is there anything I'm just flat out forgetting? I think I have everything I need, but maybe not?

[Anonymous No.400283]

toilet paper and double the water

[Anonymous No.400284]

>>400283
TP is light enough, I guess I'll throw a roll in there.

You really think I need double the water? I know that's enough to get me to the location I have scouted. Maybe just better safe than sorry?

[Anonymous No.400401]

>>400280
Seems pretty good. Can you post a picture of that axe unsheathed?

[Anonymous No.400413]

get a roll of trashbags. Works for anything from collecting water, to hiding your belongings in trees, or even a tent.

[Anonymous No.400420]

>>400280
I hope you don't use the rope and carabiner for safety when climbing...... cause it will not save you.

[Anonymous No.400431]

Why the fuck do you have 100 feet of paracord if you don't have a quality tarp?

Also, switch out that shit plastic bottle for a stainless steel one. You can boil water and make soup in a stainless steel bottle, you can put a cap on it to save for later, and it doesn't weigh much more.

And get more water.

[Anonymous No.400456]

I'd recommend at least some way to send a signal; a road/emergency flare is your best bet.

[Anonymous No.400491]

1. You need a sleeping bag, or blankets if you'd prefer. Trying to keep yourself warm with space blankets and fire will be an exercise in cold and deforestation.

2. Those knife sharpeners are notorious for destroying knives. Learn to use a stone.

3. 10 miles isn't very far. I'm a big proponent of lightweight kit, but you've got some leeway here. A full size ax and some actual fishing equipment will make life much easier for a modest cost in weight.

4. Are you building a shelter? There's no shame in bringing plastic sheeting.

5. It's very, very hard to sustain one's self on hunting and fishing. In traditional hunter/gatherer societies, the majority of calories came from the gatherers, not the hunters. Consider some kind of horticulture.

[Dr. Steve Bruhl PhD No.400494]

a compass and a small mirror dingus.

for yer health.

[Anonymous No.400511]

A bicycle, tarp, camelbak, alternative way of charging your phone.

[Anonymous No.400512]

>>400494
Isn't it easy to figure out the directions without compass though?

I see people have thoughts on a water container, what is the best one at that?

[Anonymous No.400514]

"Why the fuck do you have 100 feet of paracord if you don't have a quality tarp?"

I'm no expert but I did learn for Dual Survivor what 550 cord is. 550 is the weight it will hold, in pounds I think. So the cord I'm guessing will hold your weight, but I won't go so far as to say its rockclimbing material, as I said I am no expert.

Cool thing about 550 cord, is that it has 7 interior cords that hold about 50 pounds each. So if you needed, you could break it down if you needed samoe cord to hold stuff together. 7 x 50 = 350, so theres still 200 pound unaccounted for which I believe is the "outter" cord (the one the other 7 are inside) and that holds 200 pound on its own.

Just wanted to comment on this point as some reading might not now about. When I start my BoB, I'll be trying to get 550 cord because its' very useful.

[Anonymous No.400519]

>>400514
putt some simple lighters in there too, i put one BIC lighter under water, and after giving him a short blowjob it worked again, its sure fire.

any kind of sleeping stuff.
a folding saw is also very usefull

i there an house or a cabin at your location?

[Anonymous No.400536]

>>400491
in the right area you can easily get more meat than you'll eat through trapping. if you know what your doing.

[Bushwalker !!SeE9IygeZsv No.400558]

Here's my two cents.

Wire snares weigh very little, so there's no reason to carry only five. A rule of thumb is a 10% success rate on snares, so I wouldn't carry any less than ten if I was relying on them for food.

It will help immensely to carry an 8x10 tarp. They don't weigh much at all and will cover your body just fine. Get a green or camo one if you're worried about being detected. It is vital to stay dry, and a tarp is the easiest way to do so.

It might be worth it to throw in a little jar of instant coffee, or a bottle of caffeine pills. In any "bug out" situation, caffeine can play a part. Being tired sucks, especially when you have to think on your feet and make quick decisions.

A bottle of multivitamins will also go a long way. If you're not eating enough plants, you won't have enough vitamin C; if you don't eat enough meat, you won't have enough vitamin B, and so on. Won't hurt to throw in a bit more food, too. Assuming a 2,000 Calorie per day minimum, I'd say to pack enough food for three days, at least.

[Anonymous No.401256]

Shelter, it has been said before and it needs to be repeated. You never know what could happen on your way to the designated area.

Your pack isnt covering the basics right now: Shelter, water, and food. You only have enough water for 1 day.

Fuck those ration bars, they are like chewing cardboard. Get some decent freeze died food like mountain house. Heck even MRE's are decent but make sure to drink the coffee unless you like being constipated. Always make sure you have back-up food, you cannot rely on fishing and hunting skills even if you are really good at it. If you stay out for a long time vitamines are needed aswell as some source of fat, you dont want rabbit starvation.

Backup lighters to your backup lighters,take some dispoable bic's they dont weigh anything and will help you out for a long time. Bring plenty of them.

Also take a flashlight or any other light source. A army manual or SAS field guild would be really nice aswell.

Last but not least, take a comfort item like food you like, a family picture, a porn mag etc, whatever will lift your spirit when feeling down. Believe me, it helps out alot.

From my own experience these items are really valuable so I'll finish my rant with them: toiler paper and extra socks. Trust me on this one, you'll never regret taking them.

[Anonymous No.401273]

You will never ever need that kind of survival bag.

If you were going camping or something, sure, take some of that stuff along -- but you aren't going to ever need it for any real life situations that you don't deliberately put yourself in.

I have a bag, got a few sets of clothes, some snacks, some drinks, some cash. It's nice to have, in case I just get the urge to go out of town for a weekend, or get invited to a festival or something with friends, for impromptu road trips or just spending a weekend at a friend's place.

The shit in that bag though? Teenage fantasy apocalypse scenario shit. Unless you live in a third world country, it's just silly. And face it, if something did happen what you would want is food and water. Not a fucking hatchet and paracord. You wouldn't even need to bring shelter - shelter's everywhere. Sleep under a bridge or something.

>pic related
It's what you should store your fantasy bug out bag crap in - matches the maturity level.

[Anonymous No.401322]

>no gameboy
0/10 would not trust to be an accomplace in murdering my wife

[Anonymous No.401525]

>>401273
Hey! I had a bag like that! Fucking fox stole it.

Fucking Swiper... "Swiper no swiping" don't do shit!

[Anonymous No.401553]

When making a bug out bag what kind of backpack should you use?

[Anonymous No.401559]

Mousetraps! They have a much higher success rate than snares so all you need is two or three of them.

[Anonymous No.401564]

>>401559
rat traps, not mouse traps

[Anonymous No.401566]

>>400280
those small hatchets are almost useless. Your knife are sufficent.

[Anonymous No.401574]

>>401566
and all your base are belong to us?

[Anonymous No.401594]

You could replace that iodine with some chlorine instead.
It tastes better, is healthier, and won't rape your liver.

Also you could make some water in advance to let it degas and have nice water.

[Anonymous No.401604]

Get a few mylar space blankets, or plastic sheeting. You can use it for so many things aside from keeping warm... Can use to catch evaporated water for purifying from leaves and piss. Can use for shelter by hanging over some of that paracord....

Also, make a few of these (see pic)

[Anonymous No.401607]

1. A tarp is a must. - As big as you would want to carry.
2. More food and some chlorine tablets to purify water in a more healthy manor.
3. A small colapsable shovelaxe is better and more versatile than the hatchet you have there.

No idea where op lives, but if its anywhere like where i live i wouldnt want to rely solely on burning campfires for heat. On a rainy/stormy day it sucks trying to light a fire, idk how much of a woodperson op is, but from my experience it can be really difficult to light a fire in 1m with moist snow and 20m/s winds, not to mention finding dry kindling.
Also worth considering is that campfires creates smoke and light, it is also not suited for use beneath a tarp shelter.

So i would also ad a small multi-fuel type burner like the Optimus Primus 111 + a liter of fuel and a repkit.. Though it would be heavy (4-5lbs)it would be so worth it..

Also a small silenced .22cal rifle for hunting is great. With enough ammo and enough hits, you could probably take down anything up to a mooze with it. I'm not saying that it would be humane to kill a mooze with .22cal but with enough bullets and enough hunger, it is possible.


Other than that, i really like op's bug out bag.

[Anonymous No.401610]

>>400514
550 paracord has a minimum breaking strength of 550lbs. Safe workloads are 1/5 the minimum breaking strength. Thus it's recommended you do not exceed 110lbs per paracord strand.

Paracord is usually no thicker than 4mm, which also means there's not enough friction between the rope and your hand to support your bodyweight. If you try climbing it straight (no knotts or loops), the rope will continuously slip.

Paracord should not be used for amateur life-safety applications. Additionally, it should not be used as life-safety rope by professionals except by distributing the workload over an engineered system using many different strands of paracord.

For life-safety applications, look into climbing rope or, at least, technora escape rope.

[Anonymous No.401638]

>>401594
Well the iodine is a second option, in the event I can't get a fire going for whatever reason.

[Anonymous No.401639]

>>401604
I already have that stuff in there.
>A bunch of plastic bags and two thermal blankets

[Anonymous No.401640]

>>400420
I have no plans to use it for any kind of climbing. It's for holding things up, and to bind things together.

[Anonymous No.401641]

>>400401
I'm at work right now, but here's an image I found online. The hatchet is a Estwing E24A.

[Anonymous No.401644]

>>400494
I've got a pocket mirror in there already, its listed with the first aid kit. As for a compass... I could, it wouldn't take up any room, but I don't have one right now because I know these woods really well. I've spent a ton of time in them.

[Anonymous No.401645]

>>400511
>alternative way of charging your phone

What? I'm not taking a phone with me, the point is if I have to disappear. Why would I take something that could lead people to me?

[Anonymous No.401648]

OP here, seems like everyone is suggesting a tarp. I guess I'll have to take that advice sand get one for my bag.

[Anonymous No.401649]

>>401645
>people finding you based on cell service
Trackfone?

[Anonymous No.401652]

>>401649
It's obviously the extremest of scenarios, but I know they can figure out which cell tower you're connecting to, which would give them a rough idea of my location. This however means it's the police or fbi or something looking for me, and I have no idea what kind of shit I've gotten myself into at that point.

In any case, if I'm disappearing into the woods, I don't want anyone to even be able to call me, so no call.

[Anonymous No.401653]

>>401652

>In any case, if I'm disappearing into the woods, I don't want anyone to even be able to call me, so no call.

best thread on 4chan. many if not most of us are on the brink of doing this, so lets keep this thread alive.

living innawoods is the future for those who want no more problems.

[Anonymous No.401654]

>>401652
How do you plan in contacting others in the event that you need assistance?

[Anonymous No.401658]

Compass, fishing wire, hooks, needles, more food, change of clothes ( something warm for night) and a towel ( hundreds of uses).

[Anonymous No.401660]

>>401654

those of us who go innawoods will have our own support networks.

[Anonymous No.401659]

>>401653
>living innawoods is the future for those who want no more problems.

If you've even spent any time living in the woods before, even just a few days, you know how simple of a life it is. You focus on only a handful of things, which include food, water and shelter. That becomes your entire life, and it's such a simple perfect life. It's what it was like 1000's of years ago.

[Anonymous No.401661]

>>401660
Elaborate please? Genuine interest, not trying to annoy you.

[Anonymous No.401662]

>>401659
Want.

[Anonymous No.401664]

>>401662
My happiest memories are a time a few years back when me and a buddy spent 5 days just hiking and living in the woods. We'd travel a while, set up a temp camp site, get a fire going, cook some food (although sometimes we didn't catch anything, we were fishing mostly), eat, sleep and repeat. It was the perfect life.

[Anonymous No.401665]

>>401661
No sure what that dude is talking about. I think he's trolling you.

[Anonymous No.401681]

>>401665
I don't think so. This could be done, but i'm curious as to how others would achieve this...

[Anonymous No.401694]

a camping hammock mosquito net and a tarp would take care of any shelter needs
and wont weigh you down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCkaW9S234E

[Anonymous No.401697]

>>400280
Get rid of that hatchet. Use a real axe or at the very least use a hachet with a wooden handle. Wood handles can be easily replaced, while that hatchet you have, if the head snaps off, you're fucked for woodcutting.

here's of list of what you should add/replace
>Metal canteen
Can boil water inside of and can be used as a reflective surface.

>Wood handle axe/hatchet
Handle can be easily replaced.

>Full tang knife
A knife that is basically a slab of sharp metal. You want a knife that has a handle that is full/has buffers on the sides. A full tang knife will be far less likely to break under stress, rather than those survival knives you find at stores. A good knife will be with you to the day you die.

>More traps
Snare wire is good, but you need a lot more wire, as well as other forms of trapping, like rat traps other have mentioned. The more traps you have the higher chance you have at getting food by doing nothing.

>Fishing line & Hooks
You NEED these. You don't even need a pole, you just need line and hooks. In an emergency scenario, you can use hooks and line as a substitute for sutures if you have a large gash and little gauze.

>Metal containers
My personal favorite are coffee cans, as you can store things in them like spices, as well as cook in them or use them to hold an ember while traveling.

>Alternate fire starting methods
I carry a zippo wind proof lighter, a pic disposable, water proofed matches (normal match dipped in wax), and a magnifying glass. The zippo will always create a spark, even if the fuel is empty, and the magnifying glass serve a dual purpose, identification of plants/minerals and fire starting.

>Leatherman
Get one.

>Aspirin
These will save your ass when you least expect it. An alternative, if you live in an area with willow, is the bark. White Willow bark is a natural aspirin.

>Homely relics
I carry a laminated picture of my waifu with me at all times. Something to raise your spirits will help you out mentally.

[Anonymous No.401702]

>>401697
Cont.

>Light sources
You're going to want a light or some fashion when you're wandering around at night. I suggest learning how to use tree resin for torches, or carrying a solar flashlight.

>Solar chargers
If you have any electronics with you, a solar panel could help out. I don't use one, but some people require them for some reason.

>Compass and map
Learn how to use these, they can and will save your life.

>General field guide
These can help in identifying edible plants if you're not a nature guru.

>Spices
Not needed, but after eating bland food weeks on end you'll want something to make it more flavorful.

>Tarp
You need one, they can catch rainwater, be used for a space to clean wild game, shelter, and so on.

>How-to on drying meat
If you end up getting a deer or something, you'll want to dry your meat so you can eat it whenever you want, without running the risk of it decaying quickly.

>Whittling Knife
If you're innawoods you'll have tons of time on your hands, so when your not using your time making your situation better, learn how to carve wood.

>Metal file
Not needed, but in the event you knick something with your knife you can use a metal file to remove the knick.

>Whetstone
Learn to use one. I don't care what you say, a whetstone will be more useful than that shit you have in your picture.

[Anonymous No.401708]

>>401702
Cont.

>Condoms
Not just for sex. You can use condoms for emergency situations, for example, using one as a tourniquet, as a cover for appendage wounds, or as a barrier for food, akin to ziplock bags.

>Spoon/fork
Both can be re purposed as weapons, a spoon can be flattened into a spearhead or arrowhead, and forks can be used as fishing spears.

>Spare clothing
2-3 sets of spare clothes are generally fine. After all, if you fall into a river or lake in the middle of the morning, dry clothes would really help out.

>Salt
I listed salt away from spices because it is far more useful than other foods. Salted meat lasts longer than normal unsalted meat.

>Gun
While not needed, having one to protect yourself against the likes of bears, cougars, or agressive people is helpful.

>Machete
Another useful tool. Can be used in place of a hatchet, and can be used for chopping large game.

>Mirror
Reflective surface in case you get injured and need help.

>Flares
See above. can also be used as emergency fire starter.

>Slingshot/Sling
A slingshot is great for hunting birds or squirrel, and is quiet to boot. A sling is also wonderful, but requires more practice.

>Common sense
If you don't need to do something, don't do it. If you find an animal carcass, don't eat it unless you've been without food for more than a day. Boil things before you eat them, it keeps more nutrients. Pine tree needles can be used for tea and are packed with vitamins. When in an area with predators, pack food and other things high in a tree. If you don't have to get wet, dont, rivers and lakes suck up lots of body heat. If it smells nutty, don't eat it. A good way to test if a plant is edible is breaking it and rubbing it on your arms or tongue and waiting a few hours. if no reaction is seen, then its most likely safe to eat.
NO MUSHROOMS. Even field guides don't always help in mushroom identification, and one bad mushroom can kill you.

Find a /k/ guide to innawoods and you'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.401747]

>>401607
>Also a small silenced .22cal rifle for hunting is great. With enough ammo and enough hits, you could probably take down anything up to a mooze with it. I'm not saying that it would be humane to kill a mooze with .22cal but with enough bullets and enough hunger, it is possible.

Perhaps if the moose laughed himself to death for being shot with a .22. There is no way in hel you'll bringdown a fullgrown moose with a .22. The bullets will hardly even penetrate it's thick fur/skin. In Sweden the minimum caliber for moose is 6,5mm and it has to have atleast 2200joule at 100m. There's a reason for that. For comparison, a .22 with it's 5,5m does like 5-600 joule at 100m.

A .22 or a 12 gauge are really good for hunting, that I fully agree with but the biggest thing you can probably shoot with a .22 are roe deer and perhaps a feral hog if you can manage to shoot it in the ear.

[Anonymous No.401852]

>>401654

[Anonymous No.402084]

>>401659
>>401662
>>401664
If it is so perfect, why aren't you doing it?

Nothing is stopping you. Go. Please.

Then there might be less of this childish fantasy survivalist crap on /diy/.

[Anonymous No.402102]

>>400280
Whats that fixed blade?

[Anonymous No.402109]

>>401645
Then why would you take your passport (that has a RFID chip in it), your SS card and other useless documents in a SHTF scenario?

[Anonymous No.402169]

>>401747
People kill moose with .22s more often than you would think

To cite an example you may be familiar with, the guy from Into the Wild, the retardedtalented /diy/erwho tried to go out in the wilderness without any skills, shot and killed a moose with a .22

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about

[Anonymous No.402173]

>>401747
People kill moose with .22s more often than you would think

To cite an example you may be familiar with, the guy from Into the Wild, the retardedtalented /diy/erwho tried to go out in the wilderness without any skills, shot and killed a moose with a .22

Jesus, native Alaskans regularly use .22's to kill polar bears. Everything is about shot placement my ignorant friend

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about

[Anonymous No.402246]

>>402109
>RFID chip

An RFID chip isn't going to allow anyone to find me... and just cause it's a SHTF situation doesn't mean I might not need that stuff later on.

[Anonymous No.402294]

>>401708
>>401702
>>401697
Someone screenshot this for the love of god

[Anonymous No.402301]

>>402294
I PDF'd it...

[Anonymous No.402327]

>>402301
W-Where is it?

[Anonymous No.402357]

>>402327
Copy/paste the thread url to pdfmyurl
>teach a man to fish

[Anonymous No.402498]

after participating in dozens of mock disasters, and countless civil defense preparedness exercises, and all sorts of simulation scenarios, i've learned a few things that many people overlook.

you've all done fire-drills before. you know that it's a plan to get you from point a to point b. a drill is very different than an actual emergency, or panic situation.

the most important part of a bug-out plan, is the plan itself. the bag is secondary to you goal of getting to point b, or alternately point c as a backup, in case point b isn't a viable option anymore.

Know where you're going. drive there, map it out, memorize the routes..more than one, in case a bridge is out, etc.

pack only the items that you will need to get you there. items that you will need to survive once youre there should be stored at that location. carrying too much will slow you down, and make you a target for those who are unprepared, and want your stuff.
people do crazy things in a panic. people get trampled, stores get looted, muggings and rape take place.
people often plan these things and practice by themselves.. a sort-of last man on earth scenario. It is much more likely that there will be hundreds or thousands of people scrambling with you. Carrying equipment, and looking like you're prepared, some of them may follow you, or stalk you. Looking like a helpless noob isn't a good plan either. somewhere in between is best.

once you have your plan, and know your routes, do a drill. walk it this time, you'll see why you don't wan't to be carrying a bunch of extra stuff.

If your plan is to go to your sister's house, who lives in the mountains. pack the items you'll need to get you there, make sure she has the items that you will need stocked, and restock them regularly updating expiration dates.
If your plan is in a hole, in a woods. Bury your cache of supplies there in the woods. 5gallon buckets with sealable lids, etc.

[Anonymous No.402518]

>>401641
I would recomend an axe head instead, it's lighter and smaller, plus if that handle breaks, you're fucked

[Anonymous No.402535]

headgaitors are also very usefull. Get the ones that feel more like a stretchy blanket and less like under armor. I've used mine to attach a flash light to a bike,as a replacement strap for sandals, and for basically all kinds of head and neck coverage not to mention as a hand warmer.

[Anonymous No.402553]

>>402498
>muggings and rape take place.
>people often plan these things and practice by themselves..

I lol'ed.

[Anonymous No.402561]

>>402553
Okay, that was good.

[Anonymous No.402564]

This has turned into a great thread, nice job people.

One thing I want to question is the doubts about the all-metal hatchet, specifically: how many have actually broken the head off one? I do see the potential, but on a decent hatchet that is not a puny bit of steel and it is properly heat treated for toughness (instead of hardness, like the head or the cutting edge).

It would be a pain if the head broke off but it's not impossible to make a functioning axe using it. Humans made axes with unsocketed chert, flint, jade, copper and iron axeheads for millennia.

[Anonymous No.402574]

>>402564
I second this. I initially purchased that hatchet because of the outstanding reviews. I've only used it a handful of times so far, but it shows no signs that is just going to fall apart on me.

[Anonymous No.402607]

>>402357
Thank you, thank you forever.

[Anonymous No.402611]

>>400280
Got a companion? Not like a friend or relative - a pet? Harnesses for your pet can be fitted with pouches or small bags for additional gear. Collapsable bowls save space and weight. Plus they make for a great battery-less sentry. Certain pets can serve as hunting partners, too.

[Anonymous No.402614]

>>402611
Make a leash out of braided paracord.

[Anonymous No.402631]

Hey OP, where is you live?? I ask, cause your bag should be some what design for your area. My bag only has about 20 oz's of water, a lot of ppl tell me that I need so much more, the thing is I live in WA state, so water is extremely easy to come back, I just make sure I got multiple ways to purify it. Also seeing as it rains so much here, good rain gear tends to go in my bag too. Also pack the bag to your skill lvl, and when you are about to put an item into the bag, try to think of three things that item can do. If it only does 1 thing, then chances are it should not go in the bag.

[Anonymous No.402655]

Anti-biotics
>Prevent/help to treat infection.

Matches
>Start fire.

Water purification tablets.
>Purify water for drinking/cleaning wounds
>Can be replaced in many cases with boiling the water

I'd still take them.

[Anonymous No.402714]

I would recommend flint n steel, matches, or a lighter. Anything that would produce a flame, I would also recommend some alcohol/dryer lint for an accelerant. Some hand sanitizers work as a decent fire accelerant, and if you live near pine trees, you can get the sap (known as pine pitch) which burns for a long time, and ignites quickly.

[Anonymous No.402717]

>>402173

You are correct it might be possible in theory but it isnt workable by far. 9/10 times you'll just end up wounding the animal and thus wasting a bullet which could have been spent on a more certain kill.

I hunt, alot and do not underestimated the .22. Heck it's my favorite calibre and I shoot deer with them all the time. But shooting a moose or polar bear with it is just plain stupid even in a survival situation.

I'd like to see a source of a real hunter going moose or bear hunting with a .22. And dont come up with that yahoo answers crap.

[Anonymous No.402718]

Can't believe this hasn't been posted yet, you people should visit /k/ a bit more often. You might even like it.

1/4

[Anonymous No.402721]

No mention of the ALICE yet? Go get one guys, cheap and good quality. They have quite some DIY options aswell.

[Anonymous No.402722]

>>402721
was 2/4

3/4

[Anonymous No.402724]

4/4

Got some more to dump in anyone is interessted

[Anonymous No.402735]

>>402724
interested! also, any chance of a version of that image for ausfags?

[Anonymous No.402740]

>>402735

Not that I know, sorry. Your local library might help you with a book or two on local edible plants.


I dont fully agree with the load out in the next pic but it might help someone get the basics right.

[Anonymous No.402741]

hmm, I only have two more that are semi related the rest of the lot are irrelevant /k/ommando stuff

[Anonymous No.402743]

or, scrap they they are mostly gunporn

here are some links with plenty bushcraft/diy stuff you guys will like:

http://textfiles.com/survival/
http://www.backpacking.net/makegear/
http://infothread.org/

[Anonymous No.402763]

>>401747
You sir, are a dumb swede. We have about the same rules to the east just over the border. that said, it is not impossible. If one had enough bullets, enough time and no empathy; one could probably manage to kill a motherfucking elephant with a .22 cal rifle. It is just a matter of hitting the right spot. -Or being lucky enough.

In fact, after a bit of googling i found a Peter Capstick Hathaway that wrote about it happening, so it must be real.


I'm not saying it is practical to kill a mooze with a .22. And ofcourse somthing like .308 is way more suited for it. But if you have gone without food for three days, and haven't seen any moving meat for just as long, only to stumble upon a moose grazing at a reasonable distance. You would be able to kill the moose with a .22. Yes the spot to hit it, to instantly kill it is really small (behind the ear). But puncturing an artery will make it bleed out pretty quick.. Also you should be able to damage it with a few other shots as it runs away from you, that so it dosent run too far away before it lies down to die.
Shit, if you have a decent semi auto .22LR rifle and are a decent shot you should be able to empty out a 10 round mag in its head/face/neck within 3-5 seconds. Then switch mag and go five in each of its hind legs as it runs away.

[Anonymous No.402766]

>>400280
0.5L water.

oh god my sides

[Anonymous No.402778]

Also, this is a great product I would like to have in my bugoutbag:

http://jerven.mediabook.no/3/

I want to go for the extreme one, as it doubbles as a sleeping bag. A windy snowy night at minus 30 celcius with this, is a plesant experience.

[Anonymous No.402783]

>>400280
bug out bag is supposed to last you about 3 days to a week.

so if you have 150 dosh dont pack water and food rations, and all that crap, only pack tent items like woodaxe and rolled up tarp if you know your going to be in the woods or very exposed.

honestly the amount of bug out bags i see were people have prepared for every eventuality and haven't taken into account the weight or maneuverability of what they are carrying.

[Anonymous No.402797]

>>402763

Yes in theory it's possible to hit the magic spot behind the ear and IF you are lucky enough the bullet path keeps going straight you can down them. But for that to happen you will have to be a very expierenced shot and actually know where the spot is and at what angle to hit it. Your average run of the mill hunter wont be able to do it with any succesrate even worth the bullets.

So, yes for all you nitpickers it is technically possible but, dont be stupid and try it. If you are starving and therefore want to take a shot you have already proven yourself to be a worthless hunter and therefore probably not even capeable of making the shot; if there is moose around smaller animals are aswell. Use your .22 on those, you'll last longer.

As for your idea of artery puncturing, plausible but do think twice as you will need very good tracking skills or a dog to find it because the animal will walk very far just on adrenaline.

Taking pot shots with a .22 at a moving moose and especially to the hindlegs is just being foolish and wasting ammo. Only a foolish urban rambo with no hunting experience would even consider that. You'll give it lead poisoning at most. Shooting, and not directly killing, a starteld animal will just give it more adrenaline making it run farther and be harder to find and it'll hardly do any damage.

I do give it you that, yes, it is possible to one shot a moose with a .22 but the actual chance of someone managing to do it are so small it isnt even worth it. Any other shot placement apart from the brain is retarded to even try.

Again, I fully respect the .22 round which is one of the most deadly rounds with good shot placement but know their limitations and use the rounds on actual solid kills.

[Anonymous No.402848]

In the aftermath of Hurricane Andrew a few days passed before the National Guard was deployed.
Even with hundreds of soldiers, looting was still out of control, but before the soldiers came, it was complete lawlessness. every store in the area was broken into and cleaned out. food was the first thing to go, but nothing was left alone.
Imagine living in a neighborhood where 60% of the homes were destroyed. The roads are completely littered with trees, roofs, bodies, etc. Power wasn't restored for months. pitch black at night except for an occasional flashlight. no running water, no sewer everything backing up, and contaminated.

[Anonymous No.402870]

>>402766
It's obviously more than that. It's even stated in the OP, now that I read it; for gods sake. Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

[Anonymous No.402928]

Oh, /k/ and your strange and misguided ideas on hiking.

-Don't use an Alice unless you literally cannot afford any better. Going from an Alice to a pack designed in the last 20 years is a night and day difference in comfort.

-If you're in a temperate environment, the only time you have to carry a lot of water is if it's your last water stop before you pitch camp.

-Wool blankets aren't warm when wet, and they're not very warm when dry, either.

-Don't rely on a fire for warmth, cooking, or water. Sure, if it's pouring down rain you could scrounge around for dry tinder, baton some sticks and dry out some logs and maybe get a passable fire going. Or you could.cook your food on a stove, purify your water with tablets, and crawl into your warm-enough sleeping bag and get to sleep at least an hour before the other guy. Time is an important asset.

-Good rope is handy stuff. Paracord is not good rope.

-Military gear tends to be made with cotton because it's cheap. Cotton kills. It's pretty easy to find nylon/polyester clothing that's a lot safer for similar prices, although you can of course pay much, much more.

-This doesn't apply to a BOB situation, but in terms of general survival: food is unimportant. You can survive long enough without food to haul your ass out of the woods anywhere in the continental US. For that matter, you might as well drink untreated water, too. You'll be home safe by the time you get the shits.

[Anonymous No.402937]

>>402928
I most certainly agree with you on most parts but we are talking B.O.B.'s here.

The point of a B.O.B is to keep you alive for 3 days up to a week. The materials in it are often specified to those means.

Camping/hiking/longterm survival gear is very different. If you enjoy the outdoors you'll know it's worth the money to invest in top tier gear which you'll use often.

Wool blankets tho, are indeed utter shit, even in a B.O.B. invest in something better. And dont even think about those cheapass ebay sleepingbags.

[Anonymous No.402941]

>>400413

Also if you happen to fall and say, get impaled and have a sucking chest wound, you can use it to seal it.

[Anonymous No.402943]

>>400512

Analog watch and a shadow. Lay the minute hand parallel to the shadow of and pointing at a stick you place straight up and the hour hand will point you north.

[Anonymous No.403365]

cut some rangerbands too, not only the normal. also cut some straps like in the picture.
but i highly doubt that you can build a good slingshot out of it.

im using this straps for tying some gear together, you could also use them for minor tasks, wich arent worth cutting your cordage.

>>402743
thank you

>>401697
this guy is right

i wear a belt with the most important stuff, if have to move fast i could throw away my backpack and still have a poncho, knives, some water, first aid and alot of small useful things

[Anonymous No.403369]

[Anonymous No.403605]

We live near a nuclear power plant. I was wondering is there any way to purify contaminated water? I know steam distillation will remove literally everything but if the water is radioactive will steam distillation work?

[Anonymous No.403606]

>>403605
Good question.
Regardless if it works or not, you'll be vaporized in the event of some kind of meltdown or attack.

I too live next door to a power plant. Pretty much everyone on a 10 mile radius will die, everyone on a 50 mile radius will be effected somehow (radiation poisoning/cancer/inoperable growths)

[Anonymous No.403723]

>>403606
>you'll be vaporized in the event of some kind of meltdown or attack
>Pretty much everyone on a 10 mile radius will die, everyone on a 50 mile radius will be effected somehow (radiation poisoning/cancer/inoperable growths)

You are absolutely clueless how nuclear reactors work, and even more so how they fail.

They don't explode, and they cause few if any direct deaths or injuries when they meltdown. The radiation can kill, but not "vaporize."

Chernobyl, the worst nuclear reactor accident in history, only directly caused 31 deaths, most of which were workers and firefighters who were unaware of the dangerous levels of radiation.

The disasters at Fukushima and Three Mile Island resulted in no immediate deaths, and only a few in the following months could be attributed to the meltdowns.

Modern reactors are even safer, and not only are unlikely to cause any immediate deaths or adverse health effects, they are designed to automatically collapse into a containment unit, which would prevent any major spread of the radiation.

tldr, research your facts before you spout uneducated garbage and you won't sound like such a fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.403728]

>>402943

Or you could, you know, look at the fucking sun.

[Radiofag No.403798]

>>403605
Unless you have some sort of metering device, there is no way to tell.

Using traditional filtration techniques, you will be able to filter out radioactive particulate, which is the bulk of radioactive emitters. A few short lived gasses may be present in the water, but they decay rapidly.

For maximum safety, drink well water or bottled water.

For a an explanation of radioactivity : Things don't BECOME radioactive. You don't have "zomg a radioactive apple!". No, you have an apple that just HAPPENS to have some cesium, strontium, or other radioactive material on it. To remove the radioactivity, you simply do what you would do to remove any kind of dust : clean it with something...a rag, water, duct tape...take your pick.

[Anonymous No.404112]

>>403723
i recall that in the fukushima crisis alot of fireman volunteerd to work there knowing that they would die. so a few is an understatement i think. but indeed alot fewer than a nuclear bomb

[Anonymous No.404285]

>>403723
>>404112

There have been zero deaths from TMI and Fukushima to date. Chernobyl did result in a few dozen deaths.

Most of the death toll the media reports from these events are 'projected' cancer deaths decades down the line. Most of those projections are done by anti-nuclear lobby groups that like to greatly exaggerate their numbers in order to push their anti-nuclear political agenda. They are not based on facts or empirical data. There were tens of thousands of projected cancer deaths from Chernobyl, but only a few dozen actual deaths in the decades since, which pretty much proves the projections are bullshit.

Fact is nuclear power is the safest form of power we have, even with the few accidents we have had. You're far more likely to die of respiratory illness living near a coal power plant than from radiation from a living near a nuclear plant.

[Anonymous No.404296]

>>404285
Nuke power is not used in the USA because we still haven't figured out a better way to get rid of the waste other than bury it in a salt mine in the middle of Utah. There hasn't been large technology jumps in Nuke power, nor have they sucked it up and shot the waste at the sun with a rocket. It completely fucking sucks that we're beholden to coal in this country.

[Anonymous No.404307]

>>404296
>nor have they sucked it up and shot the waste at the sun with a rocket.

The problem with that is the sheer amount of waste a plant generates during its life. People think you only have a few spent rods to deal with. Make a disposable rocket and blastoff, no more problem right? What about the old reactor cooling fluid? Tens of thousands of gallons of it over a plants life. Broken parts that have been exposed to radiation? Old tools used to work on them? The suits worn by the workers? The site and construction materials once the plant is powered off after its end of life? We're talking thousands of metric tons of crap with varying levels of radiation but that all must be safely stored for at least several hundred years. Tens of thousands of years of the really bad stuff. You can't just strap all that to a rocket and kiss it goodbye.

Right now it costs about $2,500 a POUND to get something into orbit. Probably not much more than that to get it to the sun but still. Thats 2.5 million dollars for every ton of radioactive garbage, and god knows what will happen if we have a Challenger accident and that shit gets spread all over the crash site.

[Anonymous No.404327]

>>400456
he does have a mirror

[Anonymous No.404346]

>>404307
yea, I know...but I honestly can't think of any way to remove all side effects of this pollution other than packing it off to the great fusion generator in the sky. Is there a way to pull a meaningful use off of waste like this? I'm sure there's much smarter people than me working on a solution for this, but man...I wish I could hear a peep about it.

[Anonymous No.404359]

>>404346

Most of the waste can be recycled. There are even new reactor designs that can generate power from old nuclear waste.

Less than 1% of the waste is things that can't be recycled, and that could easily be encased in concrete and dumped/buried in the bottom of the ocean somewhere. You know how we contain fuel rods now? We put them in pools of water. Oceans make ideal passive containment mediums.

Politicians are the ones who prevent that from being done and instead of trying to recycle everything possible they haggle over places to store it on land like morons.

[Anonymous No.404364]

>>404346
Dump it into a subduction zone in the ocean. It will get sucked into the earth in less then a few hundred years.

[Anonymous No.404374]

>>402735
>attempting to survive in Australia

[Anonymous No.404401]

>>404359
breeder reactors and their ilk are not really an answer to the spent fuel issue as much as a way to get more life out of the fuel that has been used in a higher energy reactor. at the end of it the spent fuel is going to be used for another 50 years before it must also be disposed of for, at current estimates, for upwards of ten thousand years. just concrete will break far too often over a ten thousand year period, there are simply too many things that can go wrong. then when it breaks we have a radiation leak that we cant get too. the burying plan is really such a good plan, have you seen anything about the mountain site they designed? at this point if we want to use nuclear energy and i think we should, we have to simply accept that we cant do anything about it till someone makes bacteria that devour it.

[Anonymous No.404405]

>>404401

I am not talking about outdated tech like breeder reactors. I am talking about several of the new reactor designs. These are some of the current developments that I had in mind when I posted previously:

http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/04/transatomic-powers-waste-annihilating.html
http://nextbigfuture.com/2009/01/university-of-texas-at-austin-proposes.html
http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/12/accelerator-driven-sub-critical-reactor.html

[Anonymous No.404728]

>>404374
Just trying to avoid an unmanly starving to death before this country gets off its arse and finishes the fucking job.

[Anonymous No.404751]

remove the toilet paper.

humans survived without it for millions of years.

[Anonymous No.405063]

>>404751
take a bandana extra instead of the toilet paper. you can use it again, you just have to wash it

[Anonymous No.405067]

>>404751
>>405063
Enjoy dying from an infection of your ass retards when you rub your own shit into friction wounds caused by rubbing it with cloth.

[Anonymous No.405073]

>>404751
exactly how did humans survive with out toilet paper? serious question, do they just not wipe and are stinky all day long? considering people bathed only once a month back then that would be quite a stench, unsanitary too

[Anonymous No.405100]

>>405067
you wipe your ass with that so there is no shit, and toilet paper wont last very long.
btw i never had friction wounds

[Anonymous No.405137]

>>404751
Wiping your ass is proof that god doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.405151]

>>405073

Wipe with leaves. If you have the splatters, wash your ass in a stream.

[Anonymous No.405176]

>>400280
Ax, rope, water
10/10 rape kit

[Anonymous No.405183]

>>400283
What is it with you people and toilet paper? What's wrong with leaves?

No but seriously is there something wrong with wiping with a leaf that I'm not aware of?

[Anonymous No.405184]

>>400413
I second this, roll of trashbags is the most ridiculously useful thing. Flexible plastic that can be measured in the dozens of yards? Way too many uses to count.

[Anonymous No.405189]

>>400511
Kidding though right? Yeah, kidding. Bicycle... funny guy.

[Anonymous No.405188]

>>400491
>It's very, very hard to sustain one's self on hunting and fishing. In traditional hunter/gatherer societies, the majority of calories came from the gatherers, not the hunters. Consider some kind of horticulture.

I'd have to say that depends on the area, don't you think? I lived in the woods in an area with a rabbit problem for a couple months, far upstream from where most of the fishermen were, and didn't have almost any trouble at all finding food. All you need is plentiful prey with low intelligence and you can do just fine.

That said, from a nutritional standpoint, eating only meat *WILL* fuck you up really good. So gathering is a 100% necessity.

[Anonymous No.405193]

>>401607
>Thinks you can kill moose with a .22

>Has clearly never seen a moose or a .22

Especially silenced, wtf are you thinking? You could kill a man with a BB gun if you shot him enough times. Of course you'd probably run out of ammunition, or he'd get away, or he'd kill you first, but technically it's possible. Just like killing a moose with a .22 that has a vastly lower muzzle velocity because you put a silencer on it. Yeah.

[Anonymous No.405194]

>>401607
And if you'd actually tried chopping anything with a shovelaxe you'd know it's no alternative to a hatchet. It's roughly as useful as a shovel, which is considerably less useful than a hatchet. Buy one, use it, and you'll see what I mean right away.

[Anonymous No.405199]

>>402109
He might need to re-establish his identity one day? And RFID is in no way comparable to GPS. If they get close enough that they can scan the RFID chip, he's already been v&.

[Anonymous No.405201]

>>402173
With a silenced .22, you could expect the bullet to penetrate less than half as far as normal ~if the moose was literally touching his gun barrel~. Much less over any kind of distance.

And movies =/= reality. A guy in a movie got an incredibly lucky shot and killed a moose with a .22. In real life you'd have to shoot it directly though the eye or another skull orifice, counting on that being a possibility is completely idiotic, and nearly impossible if you have a silencer on your weapon.

[Anonymous No.405221]

>>405193
Goes moosehunting every fall with my .308 rifle...
Been doing that for the last 10 years or so, before that for atleast 5 years as a chaser. Downed 7 moose in my time. First time i had to drink hot moose blod.

Also got a ruger 10/22 rifle. rarely used. Think i've gone hunting with it two or three times. Shot a beaver and a duck with it.

The .22 I have is silenced, never really noticed any difference except the sound. .

I'm not trying to say it is ideal to shoot a moose with it, but fuck you it is actually possible and it has been done. As you can easily pack 2k bullets of .22 without it being a real inconvenience. Also if you see a moose trampling your camp site or whatever, while you sit there and are hungry, you are a fucking idiot if you dont take the shot because some fuckwad once told you it is impossible or at best improbable. It wouldnt do any damage to you except you loose a few bullets in worst case scenario (ofcourse there is the off chance that it just gets pissed on you for hurting it and tries to trample you, but most likely it will run if you miss and just injure it).
- Yes it is more sound and wise and all that shit to try to kill stuff that the .22 is more likely to actually kill, it dosent make it completely fucking impossible to kill a moose with one shot, let alone 10.

[Anonymous No.405235]

Trangia.

[Anonymous No.405243]

>>401553

I, too would like an answer to this. I have been looking at the 5.11 rush 72.

[Anonymous No.405260]

>>401553
I won't tell you what exact brand to buy, but there are some specific features you want.

It needs to be large enough to hold all of your supplies. It needs to be sturdy, it should have a frame, or be of a design that uses a sleeping pad for a frame.

It should NOT be military surplus/camo/etc. Why? because the people who are obviously "preppers" are most likely to attract the attention of looters. If you LOOK like you have your shit together and have a bunch of supplies, you're more likely to be jumped by less than savory individuals for your belongings.

A worn old aluminum frame backpack with a tattered blanket held on the top? Much less likely to draw the attention of any but the truly desperate.

[Anonymous No.405646]

>>405260
often thought about that, camo can be good or bad, so i would recommend a camo raincover for your civil backpack. you can put it on when you need to. i got the one in the pic. its also big enough for me to put it over my body when i am in fetal position ( i'm 6ft/180cm tall)

[Anonymous No.406669]

>>405221

You have never hunted in your life, stop bullshitting.

[Anonymous No.406672]

>>405260

Everyone and everyone's brother owns an alice pack, they wont attract more attention than any other mountaineering pack.

[Anonymous No.407235]

>>405073
Hand and water. If you have a Muslim friend, ask about that plastic watering can in the restroom sometime and watch him hem and haw as he tries to figure out how to explain it to you.
OT: You know about the old Muslim/Bedouin cutting a hand off as a punishment for thieves? In those societies, you eat with your right hand and wash your ass with your left. If you are a person who can't stop steling, they cut off your right hand and for the rest of your life you have to eat with the hand you use to wash your backside. (It doesn't really matter which hand you cut off, result is the same, but it's a stigma thing.) This is an even bigger punishment when you consider that they cooked and ate communally, with everyone grabbing food out of the same pot.

[Scrub !OkmRdGn1Zs!!ezGDhocAipI No.407240]

I have the same folding knife (silver colored), OP. My dad found it on a river beach and later gave it to me. It's not a bad knife, but I wouldn't depend on it.
>I know you have other knifes there.

[Anonymous No.407250]

That's good and all, but what will OP do when the creatures of the night catch his scent and start tracking him?

[Anonymous No.407307]

Survival foods thread:
>>403419
Pemmican sounds pretty boss.

[Anonymous No.407343]

>>400413
>>400558
The picture of family or friends is an important one.
Also -- get a few of those disposable hand warmer packets.
And - before you get too far with this, pick up a copy of FM 21-76. Survival, Evasion and Escape. Very much worth it, anon.