/diy/ - Do It Yourself

[Anonymous No.363062]

I was thinking about building a small little home near a local lake to visit every couple months to get away for a weekend or to write and enjoy the nature. I wasn't planning on purchasing any property just hoping no one will notice. I've been google earthing my location to try and find a good area to do this. There are A LOT of lakes where I live so I've got many choices. I'm going to be trying to find out as much as I can about each area before deciding on where it is going to be.
Now I know this is illegal and hard work and yatta yatta and that is all well and good. The big question I have is this: most lakes that I deem secluded enough don't have any roads that I can see on the map to get to them. What would be the best way to get a truck in close enough to bring building materials? Anyone ever actually done anything similar to this that has tips?

[Anonymous No.363260]

>>363062
genuinely interested in things like this op, have you put together any outlines/plans or going to assess the location first? and whats your ballpark budget?

[Anonymous No.363263]

Where is iop? I cannot find on google map

[Pinzfag. No.363274]

I am doing something similar.
I have decided on the cabin i want to build which is "u-bilds" A frame cabin plan# 381. (I will take photos and up them if anyone really wants them)
In the plans are a full breakdown of the lumber required I originally planned on cutting trees down to timber frame the cabin but I don't want to risk getting caught actually harvesting wood (I will be building it on a gigantic parcel of logging company owned land, they take woodcutters VERY seriously) You will obviously have to scout the area first, and may consider getting a quad and trailer instead of a truck. I will be using a tractor and trailer because its what I got. The first phase is to dig a gigantic fucking pit of a hole right next to where I want to build the cabin by hand so i can bury a 500 gallon plastic septic tank under ground level and camoflage. This wont be for actual septic waste but rather a way to store shit out near the cabin without risk of it being stolen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZEbOyrtBqQ
I am going to find the most hidden remote location I can possibly find but next to a natural spring or clean creek so I can have potable water for drinking/cooking. Its a long term project Its going to take at least 3 years to finish and I'm estimating roughly 5000~ dollars total investment. Ill be salvaging as many building materials as I can from yard sales, craigslist, junkyards etc. All of the actual dimensional lumber will be new however.
Pic related, cabin plan #381
28'x28' at the base.
Oh and maybe ill be able to claim squatters rights after a while, that would be really fucking sweet.

[Anonymous No.363277]

>>363062
I heard about a guy that did this. He ventured off into some random wilderness with minimal tools, made a log cabin from scratch, and lived there for awhile. It is possible, but you can bet he worked his ass off building it and you can't bet against staying hidden indefinitely.

[Pinzfag. No.363280]

>>363274
And a photo of the expanse I am searching for a suitable location.

[Anonymous No.363290]

>>363274
>(I will take photos and up them if anyone really wants them)
please do

[Anonymous No.363291]

>>363274
>>363280
wow man, this sounds really awesome. is this going to be more of a permanent living quarters or temp/ few weeks at a time? are you concerned about investing into this if someone could find you out or cause problems? which state/country are you in that has these squatters rights? interested in reading more about them. really cool tho, post the photos if you could!

[Anonymous No.363296]

6000 sandbags. Fill them on site, now your house is bullet resistant too, perfect for when the cops try and evict you.

[Pinzfag. No.363300]

>>363291
I have not done any research on squatters rights in california, I am not worried about people finding the cabin after it is built, and I would not mind if someone used it while I'm not there, All of the supplies I care a lot about will be stored in the septic tank, completely hidden, this way I don't have to schlep everything i want to take with me out to an empty cabin, but can leave the cabin mostly empty whenever I am not there. Its mostly going to be a temporary retreat close to home, or a guest house if people wanna come up and visit me, lend them a quad or bike and they can ride back and fourth when they want to. It is also sort of a survival bug out location type thing, ill be stockpiling canned goods and non-perishables in the septic tank as well.

http://freecabinporn.com/
Take a look at this website, I suggest you go through every single page and read some of the descriptions that are there.

[Pinzfag. No.363303]

>>363300
Living there full time will draw tooons of unwanted attention to you, Build it as a temporary shelter at first and treat it as such, only spend weekends there.
The biggest risk is being caught while in the process of actually building the cabin. I think I will assemble the major components of the cabin off site on my own property so that I can just show up and assemble it quickly. Ill do the septic tank and the concrete foundations one year, and come erect the cabin the next.

You may also want to consider a yurt for your endeavor. They are super easy to set up and require very very little construction or modification to the terrain and thus far less risky. If you were caught the worst I imagine them doing is asking you to take it down and pack out.
One thing that really got me excited abou the idea is accidentally stumbling upon a abandoned rotting A frame cabin almost exactly where i thought would be a good place to build one after browsing google earth for a while.
here's a video of said cabin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuR-7bXpUIw

[Anonymous No.363307]

>>363303
that's you in the vid?

[Pinzfag. No.363308]

>>363307
I am holding the camera, the big guy is my buddie ben.

[Pinzfag. No.363314]

Basically the principle behind squatters rights or formally "Adverse possession" is If you have a piece of land so big that you don't notice someone who has moved onto your land and you do not exersize your right to exercise your right to remove them, they deserve the land more than you do.
Or, if you inherit a piece of land by permission of the previous owner and some long lost heir shows up out of the blue and tries to take the home you've been living in for ten years they cant.

Its the fundamental principle that we are all on this earth together and we only have so much land. If you have nowhere to go, go carve yourself out somewhere to go. As a society we should respect people who do this. They are working being productive human beings to sustain their lives. This is sort of why I have less respect for the homeless than most people. The world is ours, go make a home.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adverse_possession
Here's a wiki article, its a fascinating principle that I think is 100% moral. although something could be said for me already having a home. However I intend to put a plaque or sign on the door that invites people to use the cabin for a weekend at a time if they are lucky enough to have found it in the first place :)

[Pinzfag. No.363317]

>>363314
>exersize your right to exercise your right to
hurf fuckin durf.

[Anonymous No.363324]

>>363300
sounds pretty good! saw the vid but dont understand how are you going to store things in there? are you going to have a method of organising things inside the tank and how will you get things out? seems to deep to reach with just your hand

[Pinzfag. No.363325]

>>363324
I will leave an empty space so I can drop down into it and just grab shit. They make septic tanks in allll different sizes so there's plenty of options.
I am going to start digging first, then we will see how I feel about a bigger septic tank lol.
Not going to use any power equipment to dig going to do it all by hand and get as much help as I can. I have a tractor with a front loader that I will use to lift out any big rocks. I am really not certain how the digging thing will go, wont know in till I start trying.

[Anonymous No.363341]

>>363300
>stockpiling canned goods and non-perishables in the septic tank as well.

This isn't a good idea. Cans tend to rust in water. Plus, food stuffs and supplies covered in rancid urine and shit just isn't very appetizing.

Better bet would be to get some 5 gallon plastic buckets and bury them. Look into caching food, lots of guides out there.

[Anonymous No.363344]

In canada they burn down any structures they find on crown (gubernment owned) land. The law says no permanent structures can be built and a permanent structure is anything with a roof. The obvious way to circumvent this would be to make a house that has a removable tarp roof, but I don't think any one has tried testing that.

[Pinzfag. No.363347]

>>363341
Holy fucking lol.

[Anonymous No.363352]

>>363341
see >>363274
>This wont be for actual septic waste but rather a way to store shit out near the cabin without risk of it being stolen.

[Anonymous No.363357]

>>363352

Ah, I missed that part when I skimmed the thread...

Still, probably not a good idea to store all your supplies in one spot. If a seal fails and water gets in or somebody finds it, you're boned.

I'd go with several smaller caches spread out over a large area. That way if you lose one, odds are you will still have the others.

[Pinzfag. No.363358]

In other news, I am going to build an out house and set up a little spot for it somewhere far enough away from the cabin and spring that I will build it next to so as not to contaminate my water. Gonna build it on skids or casters so I can just dig a hole, use it for a while, cover it up and move to a different location. I've seen some powdered chemicals you sprinkle on top to get rid of odor and accelerate the breakdown process. Seems legit yeah? There's absolutely no way I am going to dig a hole for an ACTUAL septic tank, I don't want to dick with plumbing sans dropping a nice long garden hose in the creek/stream upstream a ways so I have a little bit of pressure, or at least flow to run a kitchen tap. Maybe if I find a prime location ill experiment with a micro hydroelectric plant, I have a few DC motors that would work great and keep a battery charged or whatever. Primarily power will come from solar panels which I will have mounted to the roof, Thinking 200-300 watts worth would be adequate for some led tape lighting, possible fan for wood stove and a laptop/tv No more than 500 watts though.

[Pinzfag. No.363362]

>>363357
You raise some valid concerns but I am still comfortable putting all of my eggs in one basket.
Comming to find my entire septic tank full of water would be a fucking nightmare. I will definitely be adding a very small sump pump, so that if some water manages to get in there it will come on and evacuate the water. Ill rig it up to a car battery inside, or run some VERY discrete wires from my solar setup on the cabin to the storage cache to power it.
Ill be checking on this cabin at LEAST once every two months. indefinitely.
I am not worried in the slightest that someone may find this cache, I am going to hide it to the best of my ability.

[Anonymous No.363381]

Is OP growing weed?

[Anonymous No.363400]

Depending on how big you plan to make this cabin, outhouse, whatnot, it can't hurt to even try to camo it in the building process. I built a small shack near a river not too long ago, and just used fallen trees to hinder suspicion and keep it usable. Just a suggestion.

[Guy with 9 bikes No.363411]

A thread that is relevant to my interests.I've done a bit of urban exploration. Found a very nice abandoned treehouse and plan to camp there this summer.

Often I search for places to explore on google maps. I noted a good sized island in the river not too far from here. I borrowed a canoe and took a couple friends out to explore.

This summer we are going to build a camping structure on the island, We are going to keep our's very simple as we have a big challenge in getting our material there. I was fortunate to find an old frame from an EZ-up. We are going to reinforce it and buy a camo tarp. Should be "good enough".

[Anonymous No.363413]

>>363411
coordinates on the island, so i know where to place the claymores?

[Pinzfag. No.363415]

>>363413

[Anonymous No.363432]

>>363362

A few flaws in your plan. Not trying to shit on plans, just know from experience that some of that isn't going to work like you think it will.

I think you underestimate the amount of water that can seep into things underground. Also, you overestimate what a small pump can do and I don't think you realize how much electricity it would consume. You would need a bank of deep cycle batteries to run a small sump pump for more than a few minutes. Then you need a way to keep them charged, since they will go dead just sitting there. Running wires to and from anything hidden is the easiest way for somebody to find it. Just follow the wire.

If you're going to put things underground, it would be easier to just build into a hillside and surround the thing with sand and gravel so it can gravity drain.

Also, your plan of running a hose upstream may not work well. I think you only get something like roughly 0.4 psi per vertical foot of drop. Basically, if you wanted decent water pressure you'd have to run that hose up dozens of feet of incline. Much easier just to use small pumps like they have in some RVs to pressurize your lines from a holding tank.

[Anonymous No.363435]

Houses built not on your property can be torn down, or so I've heard.

[Anonymous No.363438]

>>363432
this. it's a known fact that pinzfag. is a complete dumbass. I wouldn't be surprised if he had plans to build his own aircraft carrier

[Pinzfag. No.363445]

>>363432
You really think i am going to have major issues with water leakage in a completely sealed plastic container? The manhole hatch is only going to be juust under the surface shielded from view by being covered with pine needles, debris. I have some 12v watercooling pumps for computers that are very low amperage, 2 amps at the most but push 5 gallons a minute, I seriously doubt I will have that much water entering my container. The lid has a rubber seal on it and as long as water doesn't pool up over the entire lid it should be fine no? What am I missing here?
I have plenty of experience with pumps, Two T-105's in series with a combined total amp hour rating at 12 volts is 220 amp hours, That should run my two amp pump for aprox 110 hours.
ironically that equals about 550 gallons of total pumped water. I seriously fucking doubt 550 gallons of water is going to leak into my septic tank in 2 months. No way bro.
I'm guessing less than two at the MOST.
Do you have any stories that go along with this?

[Pinzfag. No.363446]

>>363438
[Citation needed]

[Anonymous No.363448]

>>363446
Posts

>>363358
>>363362
are your citation

[Pinzfag. No.363450]

>>363448
Care to inform me what exactly is "wrong"?

[Anonymous No.363458]

>>363450
your intelligence

[Pinzfag. No.363460]

>>363445
The head pressure on my little circ pumps are rated at 15 feet. Pumping vertically out of the septic tank may be pushing it with these little guys. I may need to get a lower flow rate pump that can push higher head. I know of some pumps that use similar power that push 1 gallon per minute at 20 feet of head on 27 watts, that's pretty decent. I am aware that static groundwater levels can be as low as 15 feet below ground, shouldnt matter if the entire bottom of the septic tank is a single sealed piece of plastic almost like a Tupperware container. I don't think condensation could be an issue because temps stay very constant underground.
So tell me again where all this supposed water is going to be coming from?
I know to avoid low spots in terrain because that is exactly where you want to be drilling a well to get the lowest static water level, I will be digging the hole in a slight slope that continues downhill a good ways but it will still be fully ungerground except for the manhole cover. There are different tank designs, some have slightly raised tubes so the manhole cover is 6 inches to a foot ABOVE the top of the tank.

[Pinzfag. No.363462]

>>363458
That's nice, what are you going to tell your mommy? SOMEONE ON FOUR CHAN I DON'T LIKE IS POSTING ALL THE TIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIME MAKE HIM STOOOOOOOP WAAAAAAAAAAH

[Pinzfag. No.363468]

>>363460
Oops forgot image
This one is specifically designed to store potable rainwater underground.

[Anonymous No.363484]

>>363460

Ground water can come up a lot higher than 15ft. down. Sadly, my basement is proof of this, which is why I have to have 4 sump pumps, one main and one backup in each pit.

I think to avoid condensation issues you would need to dig down below the frost line. Having it buried a few inches down will subject it to temperature swings that will produce condensation, mold, etc.

If it stays sealed and the seals hold, that should in theory keep it from flooding. Of course, things like a raccoon smelling the food you have stored and digging/clawing at the cap can break your seal. Then the next heavy rain, well...

[Pinzfag. No.363492]

>>363484
Lets get something straight here. Underground tanks are DESIGNED to isolate its contents from the surrounding environment, Septic tanks are designed to be watertight while underground, that's what they literally are as objects. Just because you have trouble keeping your basement dry doesn't mean I don't. We have a basement that is quite large and there is a steel trap door on the side of the house in order to push logs through into our wood bin to fuel our furnace, This is not sealed in the slightest and we have NEVER had our basement flood, There isn't even a space built to install sump pump.
We wouldn't store ANYTHING underground if there wasn't an easy way to isolate it from groundwater.

I am done debating this, I don't care what anyone says at this point unless they show me a goddamn video of their own septic tank they buried for the same reason that is now flooded because the capseal failed, Short of destroying the cap ENTIRELY and being left with a gaping hole in the ground, there is no water getting in my septic tank, sorry. I am still going to install a small pump and a battery or two in-case of emergencies. But i am done going back and fourth on this. I am going to do it, I am going to film it every step of the way and I am going to post updates on /diy/ whether anyone likes it or not. If I fail and it floods, then you can say I told you so, otherwise [CITATIONS NEEDED]

Does anyone here have ACTUAL experience installing or maintaining underground plastic cisterns of any kind?
I am sick of defending myself against heresy.

[Pinzfag. No.363493]

>>363484
I am aware of the existence of floods, remind me not to put my septic tank UNDER A FUCKING POND.

[Pinzfag. No.363494]

>>363492
If underground tanks like this leaked, they would be completely useless and we wouldn't use them.

[Guy with 9 bikes No.363650]

>>363435
>Houses built not on your property can be torn down, or so I've heard.
This! This is the MAIN Reason I advocate keeping it simple and cheap.

[Anonymous No.363665]

>>363484
>I think to avoid condensation issues you would need to dig down below the frost line.
I wouldn't expect condensation to be an issue, but a freeze thaw cycle could destroy the tank. Then, you have a potential for leaks.

[Anonymous No.363667]

How about one of those wheeled houses, forget what they're called.

[Anonymous No.363681]

>>363667
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4q3N-JCAPo#!

http://camping.lovetoknow.com/Build_a_Camping_Trailer

[Anonymous No.363682]

>>363667
>Wheeled Houses
I think you mean Caravans

[Anonymous No.363684]

>>363682

[Anonymous No.363686]

>>363667
travel trailer. or tear drop travel trailer

[Pinzfag. No.363840]

>>363665
Our ground doesn't freeze around here, thankfully.
The most we get is a little snow here and there. 4 feet a year at the most, it doesn't last very long.

[Anonymous No.363873]

>>363435

>Houses built not on your property can be torn down, or so I've heard.

So I can go tear down my neighbor's house?

It's built not on my property.

[Anonymous No.364065]

>>363873
stop acting like your not in my mind dipshit...

[Big Profits Small Spaces No.364272]

Your problem is simple OP. Just bring everything in on snow machine in the winter.

With any luck you can get a week or so use out of it after it is built before Fish and Game finds it and tears it down.

[Anonymous No.364615]

>>364272
Do you really think they'll find it? Why not just camouflage it then?

[Anonymous No.364664]

>>363873
Yes, that's exactly what I meant, idiot.

[Anonymous No.364676]

Try building most of the cabin underground. Just build a small outhouse, and prop up a tent. You're practically invisible, and if the owner catches you, you could just say you thought it was state owned and you were camping.

[Anonymous No.364684]

>>364676
>builds a whole cabin
>no man, I was just camping

[Anonymous No.364742]

>>364684
>>364272
It sounded to me like OP meant it as a bug-out spot above all else, possibly using it for a short stay every few months to check up on the condition of the place. He didn't intend on being there when it was found. Regardless, it doesn't seem like a great idea to me. I wouldn't even think of doing so unless it was so far off the beaten trail that hiking there in a day or two is out of the question, and absolutely no place that is accessible by vehicle of any kind.

[Anonymous No.364762]

>>363062
I live near a fishing town. They have houses like this. Be sure to know how high can the water get at any time of the year.

[Anonymous No.364770]

>>363274
or they just rollin in and demo your cabin when your not around... why the fuck would you build on land you don't own?

[Anonymous No.364793]

>>364762
that is a great idea
A lot of homes along the gulf are either on stilts, or are on concrete blocks.
I couldn't find a picture of one here, but the one included is kind of similar.
Granted, what you're doing is illegal, and if you make anything permanent, you won't get to keep it.
If I were you, I would get an acre or two on the cheap, and build something permanent, on your own, if you really want to build your own home.
http://www.dreamgreenhomes.com/function/residential1.htm

[Anonymous No.364817]

>>363062
I know it'll probably go unheeded, but I'd just like to bring it to the attention of the thread that property is easier to acquire than you think. If a property has a tax lean on it, you can take up the tax yourself (pay the yearly tax on the property - $250 or something), and down the line if the owner doesn't fork up for back taxes owed you get the land. If they do pay the taxes, you get interest - so there's really no losing. I'm just not sure about exactly how long the process usually takes. I know a friend had a tax lean on a chunk of land up in Aspen, he was paying $250 a year for something like 4 years when the owner paid it back as he was processing the paperwork to take the land. If he had gotten the land it would've been a fucking steal, was probably worth 15-20k.

Or you could just marry some old lady that's about to croak (my mom always said 90 was a great number to shoot for) and inherit their land to the dismay of their descendants when they die.

Either way your name is on the land and, depending on where it's located, there's a chance no one will give two shits what you do on it.

[Anonymous No.364908]

>>363840
>thinks ground doesn't freeze
>lives in area that gets 4ft. annual snowfall

[Anonymous No.365129]

>>363314
>your right to own land you don't own
>what is stealing
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_time_line_for_adverse_possession_in_Ontario

[Anonymous No.365269]

>>363468
that tank is 2 meters long almost a meter wide, you should use it as your cabin

[Anonymous No.366043]

>>363274
Hey OP
Can you up the plans for the cabin please?
Thanks dude

[Pinzfag. No.366068]

>>364770
They wont, Ill prove it just wait.
See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuR-7bXpUIw
This cabin is on the same logging land i intend to build mine, It stands out far more than mine will because it is RIGHT next to a commonly traveled logging road, They make these single car wide trails all over the fucking woods around here to get the trucks in and out. This one is built RIGHT ontop of a creek pretty much and fish and game hasn't removed it even though you are not allowed to build any structures in shasta county within 50 feet of the banks of a creek.
Why? There's so much fucking land out there no one gives a single shit.
>>364793
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adverse_possession
READ.
>>364908
We don't have any issues with our well freezing, our water pipes have never froze, Snow never stays on the ground longer than a week before the rain melts it, don't talk about shit you don't know. I live it, You assume it.
>>365129
>ontario
Your laws are completely different from the ones in united states.
>>365269
Its going to hold all of my supplies for the cabin, the whole point is I want to do a home construction project because I have never built a wood framed structure before, This will be an excellent chance for me to learn.
>>366043
I wont be able to scan the entire plans, its a large blue print sized piece of paper that is double sided, Ill take some photos of both sides and i can take closeups of certain areas on request.

[Anonymous No.366093]

>>366068
Would you happen to live in Washington or Oregon?

[Pinzfag. No.366098]

>>366093
Northern california, I live on mount Lassen.
See: >>363280
An actual aerial photo of my area.

[Anonymous No.366128]

>>366098
>Northern California
You're either going to get absolutely buttfucked, legally, or you'll be golden. Probably the former since land for logging can be really valuable. And also, be careful that you don't take up residence near a grow or you'll get shot at by spics growing reefer.

[Anonymous No.366150]

>>365269
Shit, I would live in an illegal septic tank.

[Pinzfag. No.366176]

>>366128
Don't worry about it, I am out there exploring on my xl125 every single day. I have a very good understanding on where everything is and what roads/trails get traveled on and when. I know where they have been tagging trees and i will be avoiding that area like the plague. I keep an eye out on tracks, I can tell when people have ridden on the trail in the last week, especially when its wet out.
If they want to cut down trees around where my cabin is built in the future, they may tear it out however they don't log around here like you may think they do, they are required to replant 2 trees for every tree they cut down, and they do, In the ariel photo you can see where they take out 40~ acre clear cuts, they plant a bunch of trees in each patch and every generation they have to cycle them around.

[Pinzfag. No.366178]

>>366176
Many little sections have never been logged once, including where I found the first abandoned cabin, If they end up tagging trees around where i have already built a cabin, Ill just take it down and move it somewhere else.

[Pinzfag. No.366722]

Delivering, Starting with floor plan.

[Pinzfag. No.366723]

>>366722
Materials list.

[Anonymous No.367564]

>>366722
>>366723
post the rest

[Pinzfag. No.367580]

>>367564
Bleh, okay. Gimme a couple hours though

[Anonymous No.367676]

>>366722
>>366723
Thanks man, Keep up the good work!

[Anonymous No.367683]

>>366723
>>366722

mice plans, but why don't you build something like this? you know, not as easily detectable

[Anonymous No.367688]

>>367683
Plus you can hang camo netting over it .

[Pinzfag. No.367712]

>>367688
I want a deck really fucking bad.

[Anonymous No.367714]

>>367712
Are the two mutually exclusive?

[Pinzfag. No.367726]

>>367714
no, I already have plans to have a deck, and make it as camouflaged as possible

[Anonymous No.367732]

I myself want to buy a small piece of land and build my own house, probably starting small but building it in a way so I can expand on it when I have more money/feel the need to.

Problem is, idk how all this shit works, when it comes to property taxes, how much money it will be depending on how big the house is, etc.

I hope to have solar panels/wind power so I don't have an electric bill, but eh.

I want to live in an actual house, not a small ass cabin/shed sized house like all of the self-sufficient people, I want something that looks like a house, but isn't overly huge.

[Anonymous No.367734]

>>367732
You'd be surprised at how spacious a few hundred square feet can feel when it's designed properly.

[Anonymous No.367735]

>>367734

I'd love to live in something like this, minus the basement/garage, but that would probably cost hundreds of thousands to build/get a permit to build/all that other necessary shit

[Anonymous No.367741]

dear OP,

you are a faggot. people do this all the time. its called a duck blind.

also
many organizations will let you build a duck blind on their property for bird watching. otherwise you probably wont even bother building this. because you are a lazy faggot and dont really know what its like to backpack 500lbs of wood and tools into the middle of a wooded area

[anonanon No.367775]

>>367735
Are you 12? You dont have ANY idea on how to plan for property costs in your area? You know most of the cost of a house is the labor right? So if you do the work, it costs somewhere around 25% of what it would costs to hire someone.
And the reason soooo many of those self sufficient people live in little 400-99 square foot sheds, is bc its more efficient. Most of your house sits for most of its life and barely gets used. You are heating/cooling and providing electric/plumbing to vast areas of your house that get used less than 2 hours a day.

[Anonymous No.367776]

>>367775

I'm 21, and sadly i don't know shit about this aspect.

And if I were to have a girlfriend/start a family, a shed is out of the question.

[Anonymous No.367778]

>>367775

also, what about property taxes? I image for a house they would be an arm and a leg every year.

[anonanon No.367779]

>>367778
>>367776
Really? 21 and cant use google? WTF? How fucking lazy are you? Heres a clue, you will never have to worry about a wife and kids. Just study up on how to decorate your moms basement.

[Anonymous No.367780]

>>367779

i've used google, I just don't know wtf I am looking for

[anonanon No.367787]

>>367780
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=property+tax+rates

[Anonymous No.367789]

"Residents of New York pay some of the highest property taxes in the nation"

.....ugh

[Anonymous No.368468]

>>367580
Pinzzzzzzzzzz!

[Pinzfag. No.368473]

>>368468
I'm still here, been really busy.

[Pinzfag. No.368482]

>>368473
I'm going to wait till I can use my friends camera so I can take a nice high res shot of each side in one go.

[Anonymous No.368496]

>>368482
Thank you based Pinz

[Pinzfag. No.368989]

Alright guys, Here's the prints.
>>>/hr/1690707

[Anonymous No.369010]

>>363062

Is there snow on the ground OP?

That's how you get lumber back there or cut it from your land.

Snow mobile and a sled. Maybe a portable lumber mill. build a raised path later.

[Anonymous No.369015]

>>368989
thanks man