/diy/ - Do It Yourself

[Anonymous No.2500492]

this is gonna make me sound like a complete fucking retard that has no idea what they're doing but I'm a retard that has no idea what he's doing so it fits.
I'm attempting to build essentially a mobile screened in porch.
It sounds kinda stupid but it's what I'm trying to make but I'm stumped on how to put a roof on it.
The trailer it's on has a bed that's 6.6 x 18 feet and I currently have the walls built up 4.6 feet tall and was trying to figure out how to put a roof on it while keeping everything else essentially just screened in.
Any idea?

[Anonymous No.2500496]

>>2500492
Huuuuuuuuh?

[Anonymous No.2500507]

Why not buy 8 foot 2x4s....

[Anonymous No.2500515]

>>2500496
>>2500507
I'm sorry I'm bad at explaining :(

[Anonymous No.2500571]

>>2500496
>>2500507
p-pls no bully
left is my best artist rendition of what i have, right is what i want.
brown is where I've built up the walls with wood, grey is where I'd want to be "screened" with a light weight roof, maybe plywood sealed with that white roof sealant?

[Anonymous No.2500578]

>>2500507
Listen to this guy

You buy some 8' 2x4s and frame up a basic box shape, put some joints and then buy some roof panelling and screen material of your choice and screw it onto the roof and sides and wallah

[Anonymous No.2500623]

You plan on driving with this thing? Because that's not gonna work out well. You'd want drop down sides or something that can protect the screen while traveling.

[Anonymous No.2500629]

>>2500623
why wouldn't it drive well?

[Anonymous No.2500631]

>>2500629
It would drive fine but the mesh would probably get damaged from shit hitting it like bugs or animals. Perhaps you should consider how they design and build pup up tents. If you could retract the screening into the trailer it would have a lower profile.

[Anonymous No.2500633]

>>2500631
I've thought about that but couldn't find a way to make that work on a larger trailer that I have already built up. I went through a number of retractable or just outright removable tops like that but to not much avail, not sure if I was just researching the wrong thing but I know what you're talking about and couldn't figure how to make it work.

[Anonymous No.2500635]

>>2500633
You could use something like a board backing another board and then have it either on the exterior or interior of the built up trailer. Then use something like a carriage bolt to set the level with holes drilled at set levels (This could also let you set the trailer up at various levels like a porch level, awning level and a small camping shelter level)

[Anonymous No.2500690]

>>2500492
>I currently have the walls built up 4.6 feet tall
Why? Are you only 4 feet tall?

[Anonymous No.2500696]

>>2500571
You fucked up. The vertical pieces that support the roof should run from the roof all the way down to the floor so that they are held solid and braced by the lower sheathing. If there is a break in the verticals at the midpoint where the solid portion stops, then the verticals holding the roof will have no lateral rigidity and it will probably collapse the first time you try to move the thing.

[Anonymous No.2500708]

>>2500629
The roof would turn into a parachute

[Anonymous No.2500711]

>>2500708
If you use adequate strapping & ties it won't go anywhere, but I doubt OP would.

[Anonymous No.2500721]

>>2500696
All framing should be securely strapped from the roof all the way down to the trailer. Posts bolted to trailer at the bottom. Headers bolted to the top of the posts. Roof rafters secured to headers with ties.

And I suggest having hinged shutters that you can secure with latches for when it's being transported. Not only so that all the screen doesn't get instantly ripped out, but also so that you don't have wind going through it and causing any kind of uplift situation on the roof platform. This would also provide privacy if needed.

[Anonymous No.2500794]

>>2500721
>>2500696
Thank you for the diagrams but is there any way to fix it like you're suggesting at this point or have I completely fucked myself?

[Anonymous No.2500798]

>>2500794
Not if you want it done right.

[Anonymous No.2500810]

>>2500696
This. Use 4x4 vertical posts or even pipe or square tubing. Basically make a gazebo on your trailer and then wall in or screen in the parts you want.

[Anonymous No.2500829]

>>2500794
Idk how you're gonna fix it. Even if you have drop down walls to keep this thing from fucking itself when you tow, idk what you're gonna do about rain. Say you're not going to use it in the rain. You would have to make a watertight seal around all the edges where the walls lift up to.

I think I would make the roof larger and have an outcropping that the walls go under, and put rain gutters on top. Maybe an angled roof. That's just going to stop water from coming in through the tops of the walls. This is where your weak points would be with walls that go to the top

[Anonymous No.2500851]

>>2500829
>>2500829
Does it make any difference at all knowing this is the trailer frame I'm building it on instead of a deckover or utility trailer?
It's an old camper frame from the early 70s.
the one I'm building on is bigger but same style frame and year

[Anonymous No.2500854]

>>2500851
>Does it make any difference
Yes, it's an even worse situation because there are no structure on the trailer below where the walls would go on the sides.

[Anonymous No.2500858]

>>2500571
You were supposed to frame in the whole thing and then just enclose the lower part.
Having a split in the vertical supports will make that thing collapse going down the road

>>2500696
Exactly right

[Anonymous No.2500860]

>>2500854
>>2500858
So it's fucked?
What should I do with it now?
Is there nothing to save it?

[Anonymous No.2500862]

>>2500851
This means all the vertical framing pieces that support the roof need to be framed in like a wall but sit on the bottom sill directly above the steel supports of the floor. Then you'll have to have the appropriate lumber to span between and support the roof

[Anonymous No.2500865]

>>2500860
You need to remove any top board and put in full height studs in the wall right on top of the trailer supports

Then I'd use a 2x6 between the top sill plate and the roof supports so the roof stays square.
So you could use 7' 2x4s and your wall would end up at 92" below the roof framing with the top sill, bottom sill and the 2x6 roof supports.
If you use the 92" pre cut studs, you'd end up at about 101" below the roof framing

[Anonymous No.2500871]

>>2500851
This is crude but you only want full height supports right on the steel supports
You should have a lower sill plate, but then the full height studs should be where the red dots are
So your vertic

[Anonymous No.2500872]

>>2500871
Then you want minimal weight between the full height studs on those red dots, so run 2 vertical 2x4s between them to make the bottom of the screened in portion

[Anonymous No.2500874]

>>2500872
By running them vertical, I mean having the 3.5" dimension vertically

[Anonymous No.2500877]

>>2500851
You need to look up how to frame an RV. I think it's a better frame in the sense that it was framed in a way that the roof could support weight and it at one point had more structural integrity than a cargo trailer. I think rather than use wood, you'd be better off modifying a metal cargo container and anchoring that bitch to the frame you have. You could eliminate any of this conversation you've had with any of us.

You'd have a floor, structural integrity, paint would keep it from rusting, it wouldn't matter if it got wet, and the roof wouldn't rip off if you wanted to tow it without walls. You could do roll down heavy duty tarp siding just like you see in this picture.

[Anonymous No.2500879]

>>2500877
This post is absolutely worthless
The dude is clearly trying to build a porch for his mobile home and you're like "go spend 10k on shit"
when he could just make sure the trailer supports the roof

[Anonymous No.2500881]

>>2500879
If he was building a porch for a mobile home then why the fuck put it on a trailer? That makes 0 sense. Why not just build a screen room and a deck like a normal person?

[Anonymous No.2500909]

>>2500881
>>2500879
No I'm making a "mobile" porch basically. The whole thing would be screened in but on wheels, not a porch for a trailer.
>>2500877
I thought about getting one of these initially but they're incredibly expensive. I found an old trailer on facebook a few years ago and actually asked here then if it was possible to use just the frame to build a mobile porch but didn't get much response other than
>yeah sure why not, faggot
>>2500871
>>2500872
>>2500874
so you're basically saying a wooden frame should have been made first off? The issue I had coming across that initially was because the builder guy I talked to and asked a few questions said the welded metal of the frame at certain points would be too thick to drill through so I'd be better off putting the floor down first which is what I did.
>>2500865
>You need to remove any top board
what do you mean top board? right now the floors are 8' deck planks bolted into the metal frame. That was the one thing the contractor guy actually helped me put together.

[Anonymous No.2500922]

Are you planning on hauling this down the highway?

[Anonymous No.2500925]

>>2500922
No, mostly just moving from one property to the other within suburbs or the city, but the durability for it to be able to drive on the highway i guess would be a good threshold

[Anonymous No.2500926]

>>2500492
Question for OP, will you be driving this thing at speed on a freeway ever?

[Anonymous No.2500935]

>>2500926
Probably not but as I said here, would be nice to be able to probably?
>>2500925

[Anonymous No.2501622]

>>2500925
I can't help but suspect you just want to drive a porch around on the highway

>Am I fucked
No not really. Another anon said reference RV framing and they're 100% right. As far as moving a square structure don't expect to hit high speeds and be safe, for relocating 45mph max speeds you can definitely get away with the ideas I've seen posted here. Obviously the roof becoming a spoiler/parachute is the biggest build challenge but that's easily remedied with a thick vinyl protection wrap you can add with a strap around the box when you're moving.

Step one, build a solid and level base. Come back when that's complete. Personally I'd frame and attach it to the trailer with L & I brackets galore with dense rubber sealing (caulking perhaps) to compensate for sag/sway. Don't forget a poop hole, every drivable porch needs one.

[Anonymous No.2501648]

>>2501622
>I can't help but suspect you just want to drive a porch around on the highway
I mean you put it that way it sounds kinda rad but no that's not my intention.
If I'm being 100% honest my main reason for it is building a portable cookout porch if that makes sense.
>Step one, build a solid and level base. Come back when that's complete.
So like I said before I do have a floor, the bed is currently deck paneling with plywood underneath so the floor is sturdy, I think I just went about making the walls wrong. I essentially made it like a fence with the intention of putting something very lightweight on top as the roof, initially I had the intention of building something like a vardo wagon but when I couldn't find anyone to weld the metal pole framing I wanted for the arched roof I got kinda stuck.
That's when I started thinking maybe screening it all the way around wouldn't be a bad alternative.

[Anonymous No.2501659]

>>2500578
>wallah

its VOILA you fucking retard! goddamn

[Anonymous No.2501692]

>>2501659
You're new, huh? See, there's this thing, called a "meme", and a lot of them is misspelling things on purpose to trigger newfags like you as bait. Grats. Now take the hook out of your mouth and find a new thread to be new in.

[Anonymous No.2501708]

>>2501692
actually was trolling for an autist like yourself.

[Anonymous No.2502480]

>>2501692
>>2501708
thanks for bumping but i still need help

[Lambright No.2502927]

>>2500571
If you want to go and expensive, you could use corrugated steel and make a big arch, it wouldn't be a square trailer it would be an arch on wheels. You were just lay the arch on the ground and drill all the holes and bolt it all together then you would put one end on the trailer and then use a come along to stretch it into the arching it would all be done. I'll do a drawing and post it in a little bit.

[Lambright No.2502952]

>>2500492
Simple trailer with corrugated roof Arch. The sides are made with 24 inch high plywood that way you can get two out of a sheet of plywood.

https://twitter.com/Lambright4Potus/status/1592235338210062336

[Anonymous No.2502955]

>>2502952
Great idea, Wayne but how the fuck am I supposed to arch a sheet of corrugated metal?

[Anonymous No.2502956]

>>2501708

[Anonymous No.2502957]

>>2502955
>>2502952
I'm OP, that is a fantastic idea that I didn't think about. What could serve as the frame for a roof like that? Like what would the metal sheets be laying over to make that shape? I love the idea.

[Lambright No.2502962]

>>2502955
>Great idea, Wayne but how the fuck am I supposed to arch a sheet of corrugated metal?


>>2502957
>I'm OP, that is a fantastic idea that I didn't think about. What could serve as the frame for a roof like that? Like what would the metal sheets be laying over to make that shape? I love the idea.
This is why the idea is pure genius the steel itself is the structure. Remember the goats jumping on the steel and it wobbles back-and-forth. You lay the steel down on the ground to the width of the trailer or whatever with you want then you drill holes and bolts together with small nuts and bolts. Next attach a 4"x4" x8' beam to one end with an eye hook. then you put one end on the trailer, the other end you're gonna pull towards the other end with a come along and that will make the Arch. It's gonna be under spring tension. You then put a brace on the 2nd end to keep the arch in place. You could even make the arch collapse for transportation then erect it when you're a your party spot. The arch is one of the strongest structures known to man. You could actually walk on it. If you want you could use fiberglass panels also.

The future is bright Lambright 2024

[Lambright No.2502978]

>>2502962
With the roof laying on the ground all bolted together you put one end at the other end rested against a stop then an 8 ft long 4x4 board on the outside bolted with an eye hook and you use the come along to erect the arch.

The arch is held in place by a wooden stop on the lower railing then you would want to bolt it down with L shape iron.

https://twitter.com/Lambright4Potus/status/1592242371911356416/photo/1

[Lambright No.2502983]

>>2502978
Small correction in lower circle I have the roof Arch stop on the wrong side in the drawing. Version one is better than version none.

[Anonymous No.2503015]

>>2502952

[Anonymous No.2503017]

>>2502962
>The future is bright Lambright 2024
moron you have to be registered and on the ballots to be elected president.

quit larping "high school football star".

you're a fat tub of goo living in an old shed in the desert you can't even build your self a decent hut or cabin.

living better than you!

[Anonymous No.2503021]

>>2502962
it seems that fester is unfamiliar that corrugated roofing can only be bent one way. try it the long way and it will break.

[Anonymous No.2503026]

been there done that

[Lambright No.2503075]

>>2503021
>. try it the long way and it will break.
Steal doesn't break at Bends.

>>2503021
>fester
Actually my old landlord used to call me this name come on Phil get your shit together.

[Anonymous No.2503209]

>>2503075
typical fester. doesn't understand anything about engineering, but that never stopped him. deluded out of his mind.

what color is the sky in your world?

lives in the desert eats garbage from a dirty old pan, bathes in his own festering filth. bloated, bald, and impotent.

now tell me how you're doing X better then you.

[Lambright No.2503411]

>>2503209
Just go fuck yourself and die what's your fucking problem? You hide your identity and make fun of me all the time you're the guy with mental illness.

[Anonymous No.2503436]

>>2503411
post pictures from 10 and 20 years ago pretends he's still the "high school football star". can't invent a purpose in life. "invents" shit that has already been invented, or doesn't work, or is junk science, dox himself, and is clueless when people use him, soon to be coyote food.

if you want it to stop, stop posting bullshit and lies on a back water image board you tool. go beg for your job back at safeway and get out of the desert hobo.

[Anonymous No.2503444]

>>2502978
>>2502983
This is more likely to kink the sheeting you stupid nigger. You need a form.