/diy/ - Do It Yourself

[Anonymous No.1729333]

Wouldn't a steel frame house be way easier and faster to build while at the same time being much stronger than a house made of brick or wood?

[Anonymous No.1729336]

>>1729333
I think it costs more

[Anonymous No.1729347]

>>1729333
This isn't done because it's expensive and because the entire structure has to be precisely engineered and pre-fabricated within certain tolerances or it won't go together right. It's cheaper and easier to build with masonry and/or wood.

[Anonymous No.1729433]

>>1729333
Technically speaking it may be stronger that being said most houses are not under the threat of collapse unless it's over a hundred years old at least and you could argue in earthquake zones it could be better but you could also argue that wood give us more flexibility to sway. The only advantage that I see is some version of cost savings if you choose the building a hurricane risk Zone instead of just using concrete. But concrete is just as good. At least for a house is going to last over a century. So I suppose yes the houses would be stronger but it would be an Overkill and overall might end up being more expensive.

My question on top of this is what material would be best to build a house underground with? Is regular iron Steel going to rust to the point of failure or is that irrelevant when it comes to structural fatigue in this Underground scenario.

I wouldn't trust wood because it's going to Rot. I suppose reinforced concrete and rebar is what they usually use. I consider using plastic Sheets as an outside Shield to the elements considering plastic doesn't really degrade and it would protect the internal layers to the support structure.

[Anonymous No.1729448]

>>1729333
I’ve seen a house like this going up in a very wealthy area near my work. Specialized crew and engineering raises the costs

[Anonymous No.1729465]

>>1729333
communists were quite good at building houses fast

[Anonymous No.1729466]

>>1729465
everything was delivered with a truck and was premade in a factory
they basically just bolted everything together and sealed it

there are many factory houses, the fastest way to build them is to deliver the walls and floors ready to install.

[Anonymous No.1729576]

>>1729333
also in a lot of areas (aka residential) it wont be faster in the long run or cheaper.

Imagine the difficulty of replace the metal ties to concrete when they rust.

One of the most difficult jobs i had at my house was replacing rusted anchor ties in the foundation.

[Anonymous No.1729630]

>>1729466
While prefab has been economically preferential in the past, I note the development of 3D printing tech is quickly rivaling cost and dramatically improving site specific and bespoke structures.

3D printing is potentially highly decentralized, and profoundly anticommunist. Not interested in living in a modern quasi-prison, but am extremely interested in the durability and security from various threats 3D printed structures potentiate.

[Anonymous No.1729632]

>>1729576
Steel reinforcement in concrete structures is an ongoing and increasingly profound problem. Stainless steel does not actually solve this problem, but ameliorates it to some degree.

Non reactive metals are prohibitively expensive, but non-metallic fibers are becoming a potential durable solution to the problem.

[Anonymous No.1729664]

>>1729333
do steel beams grow in trees?

[Anonymous No.1729671]

>>1729664
They're forged from metal ores.

[Anonymous No.1729672]

>>1729664
No, but they're just laying around in dirt. Just have to extract and form them from ore. You have to do the same thing to extract dimensional lumber from trees anon.

[Anonymous No.1729685]

>>1729333
what do you put in the middle of the frame? in the holes?
bricks? so your walls are as strong as bricks but less so because corners aren't interlaced.
timber? so your walls are as strong as timber house.
so your house is no better off. whoops! well done.

[Anonymous No.1729690]

>>1729685
Metal studs+metal siding or corregated sheet; what are you-stupid?

[Anonymous No.1729691]

Wouldn't a geodesic dome be stronger, simpler to build, and look better than any box?

[Anonymous No.1729697]

>>1729691
You ever look at the interior of a dome home? Every bit of commercially available furniture and similar cabinetry etc., is designed for square plumb walls. Domes are an eternal headache to actually dwell in.

Every chair, sofa table, cabinet, etc., will waste that interior space the dome claims to provide.

[Anonymous No.1729699]

>>1729690
You've never constructed anything, or you'd know why using wood is less expensive for residential construction. Everything involving steel is a different technology base and more expensive to do than wood framing.

Also, steel rusts. It may rust more slowly than wood rots, but it's not any more permanent than wood. For structures like shops and sheds, where internal finish is not important it can be less expensive. It can even be finished cheaply with drywall. However, every alteration to the envelope requires more expensive work and tools to execute.

Steel reinforced concrete is not a meme, but it's vastly more expensive than wood framed construction.

[Anonymous No.1729707]

>>1729697
If the segments of the dome are large enough, this wouldn't be an issue, and is negligible either way. Most people don't have the resources to build one much larger than 15 square feet, which I agree is too small to live in comfortably. Also, it is the optimal shape for heating, air flow, and pretty much every factor. With a setup for manufacturing glass panels, this would be a viable way to cheaply create a series of greenhouses that last a lifetime.

[Anonymous No.1730414]

>>1729333
How does steel frame fair in California? would I need to get meme shit for two stories?

[Anonymous No.1730415]

>>1729630
You would need a 3D printer the size of a house to make a 3D printed house. The numbers just don't ass up.

[Anonymous No.1730419]

>>1730415
no shit albert instin

[Anonymous No.1730423]

>>1729691
Fuck off Wayne

[Anonymous No.1730490]

>>1730415
https://youtu.be/nH-zpnoNLEU

[Anonymous No.1730612]

>>1729333
The biggest advantage to steel beams is that jet fuel can't melt them.

[Anonymous No.1730652]

>>1729333
It would, but it'd cost more; construction is plagued by the same issue that plagues every other industry, morons trying to be cheap up front, regardless of long term consequences.

[Anonymous No.1730686]

>>1729333
Here in Australia above a certain latitude you must use steel frame. They come in pre-welded wall sections that just get lined up and bolted to the slab. Usually it takes a day or two for it to be built.
Its quite nice because they come with cutouts for wires and piping.

[Humble croatian red aerated te(...) No.1733302]

>>1729465
>>1729466
meme commieblocks all you want but the finish on them is and was QUALITY, then billybob and ivan contractors werent allowed to mess up

>>1730490
>>1729630
>but am extremely interested in the durability and security from various threats 3D printed structures potentiate.

If they do it as they do it in the video expext catastrophies.

>>1730612
>The biggest advantage to steel beams is that jet fuel can't melt them.

what about concrete beams?

[Anonymous No.1733445]

>>1729465
"free" labour and precast concrete

[Anonymous No.1733449]

>>1729333
Metal frame house is easier to build.
Fucking Metalcon is a bless, compared to crooked 2x4s. Seismic resistant, retard proof, 10/10.

[Anonymous No.1733461]

>>1730490
>that concrete
>strong

how the fuck are you going to cure it my guy

[Anonymous No.1733478]

>>1730612
No, but they can still get pulverized.

[Anonymous No.1733484]

>>1733461
My guess this isn't traditional concrete and requires smaller curing time, hence the movement of the arm spreading it's production throughout the entirety of the structure as evenly as possible to allow the house to dry.

[Anonymous No.1733674]

>>1729630
3d printing large straight things is just stupid

[Anonymous No.1733691]

>>1729632

Look at Basalt Rebar, and Geopolymer concrete. They are not memes and very real products, the problem is there is a lot of inertia in the construction world, inertia with certification, and the fact that many big players in construction also stand to lose using superior methods because they own the rebar and conrete plants.

Geopolymer cement is better than Portland cement in literally every technical metric, and it can be formulated to be more versatile than Portland cement. The nature of geopolymer cement is also much more friendly to steel rebar. It also uses MUCH less energy (thus GHG) to produce. However it requires the use of caustic chemicals which gets the OHSA and other government agencies up in arms, because I guess people can't be trusted to not fuck up, even though there are plenty of methods to make production and use of GP cement very safe.
I wish I had the cash to start a GP Cement business producing cement and cement products.

Basalt rebar is not technically better than steel rebar is eveey metric, but it doesn't rust, is stronger than steel in building fires, and is very light. Biggest downfall is that it can't be bent into complex forms on site easily and requires premade pieces. Can't be welded, so it has to be formed differently. Buuuut if you want your building to last more than 100 years it's the shit to use.

[Anonymous No.1733700]

>>1729333
>easier
just as easy but more specialized
>faster
yup
also more expensive. thats basically the only reason its not more popular.

i priced out a house from a company called bone structure vs a typical wood frame. it was more, but not that much more. cant remember the numbers now but it was enough to deter me unless i needed it done in a short window or have some unusual circumstance that would make it more effective

[Anonymous No.1733760]

>>1729333
>steel beams

should be ok so long as no one spills any jet fuel on them

[Anonymous No.1733802]

>>1729336
Nope. Wood frame requires more woods to support the structure. Steel frames is slight more costly but requires lot less steel to support the structure. So it evens out. The real cost is labor cost.

[Anonymous No.1734015]

>>1729664
Does jet fuel melt steel beams?

[Anonymous No.1734034]

>>1733691
>I guess people can't be trusted to not fuck up
Hello! This is something that is going to be used by people in the TRADES! People that regularly disable safety equipment on tools or fail to wear PPE. They ain't shoveling cement out the back of a truck because they got perfect scores on the SAT, my friend. I mean, these fuckers regularly burn themselves with normal concrete by doing stupid shit like standing in it while it's still wet for several hours. Picture related. What do you think would happen to these mental giants if they could be burned by stuff that ruins flesh on contact?

[Anonymous No.1734056]

>>1734015
Make houses out of soviet aluminium, so they melt jet fuel.

[Anonymous No.1734057]

>>1734034
Based and hebrewpilled pragmatist