Do Americans really?

[Anonymous No.1702136]

>American wire gauge (AWG), also known as the Brown & Sharpe wire gauge, is a logarithmic stepped standardized wire gauge system used since 1857, predominantly in North America, for the diameters of round, solid, nonferrous, electrically conducting wire. Dimensions of the wires are given in ASTM standard B 258.[1] The cross-sectional area of each gauge is an important factor for determining its current-carrying ampacity.

[Anonymous No.1702144]

There's 579M people in NA who grew up with AWG and no good reason to change.

[Anonymous No.1702179]

Is there something wrong with that?

[Anonymous No.1702247]

>Do americans really?

[Anonymous No.1702276]

>>1702136
Yes, we use wires.
These wires come on different sizes.

[Anonymous No.1702278]

>>1702136
"Ampacity is a portmanteau for ampere capacity defined by National Electrical Codes, in some North American countries. Ampacity is defined as the maximum current, in amperes, that a conductor can carry continuously under the conditions of use without exceeding its temperature rating."

[Anonymous No.1702294]

>>1702136

I know its vastly superior in every way when it starts with "American"

[Anonymous No.1702303]

>0 is big
>00 is bigger
>not twice as big though....

[Anonymous No.1702306]

Are there good reasons for this retardation, or is it just one of those things that we're not going bother to unlearn?

[Anonymous No.1702324]

>>1702136
>>1702306
You're not an electrician or remotely skilled in the electrical trades so why do you care?

[Anonymous No.1702326]

>>1702306
>>1702303
>>1702136
Stop being retarded. America doesn't just use the AWG system, we use kcmil as well and mcm. I don't understand why people shitpost their obsession with america.
As for the 0 system the people realized it was retarded when they got to four aught so they devised the kcmil system. All of this is standard in the industry so stop arguing about shit you don't know anything about. Fuck off white-collar LARPers you retards can't even get a CAD drawing right
t. leaf sparky

[Anonymous No.1703466]

>>1702136
Yes, and it's sized without the insulating jacket.

[Anonymous No.1703474]

How bout NPT? Jap cars use that shit too.

[Anonymous No.1703522]

>>1702326
No, you fucks use AWG.

[Anonymous No.1703524]

>>1702303
>American wire gauge (AWG), also known as the Brown & Sharpe wire gauge, is a logarithmic stepped standardized wire gauge system

>a logarithmic stepped standardized wire gauge system

>logarithmic stepped

>logarithmic

Congrats asshole! By realizing 00 is not twice as big 0 you have demonstrated a middle school level of reading comprehension. Now go dumbshit somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.1703532]

0°C+0°C=64°F

Europoors BTFO again.

[Anonymous No.1703542]

>>1702136
>Do Americans really?
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-I-see-so-many-Europeans-talking-trash-about-Americans

[Anonymous No.1703543]

>>1702326
to be fair, you can’t read one

[Anonymous No.1703546]

>>1703522
>No, you fucks use AWG.
>>1702326
>America doesn't JUST use the AWG system, we use kcmil as well and mcm.

Yuropoor reading comprehension...

[Anonymous No.1703559]

>>1703532
>0°F+0°F=-35.55°C
Scientists baffled, Americans BTFO

[Anonymous No.1703626]

>>1703559
>0F
>It's quite unpleasant to be outside
>0C
>A warm coat is fine
>100F
>It's quite unpleasant to be outside
>100C
>we're all dead

practicality in daily life beats your scientifically-biased application 99.99% of the time

[Anonymous No.1703628]

>>1703532
>0°C+0°C=64°F
>Europoors BTFO again.

[Anonymous No.1703633]

Why do yuros care about shit which has no impact on them?

[Anonymous No.1703637]

>>1703633

because the get upvoats on reddit for saying wow metric good SCIENCE, burger dumb and bad amirite

[Anonymous No.1703638]

>>1703633

because they get upvoats on reddit for saying wow metric good SCIENCE, burger dumb and bad amirite

[Anonymous No.1703640]

>>1703637
>>1703638
votes*

[Anonymous No.1703670]

>>1703626
Some of us measure the temperature of more than the air, dipshit.

[Anonymous No.1703678]

>>1703670
In that case Fahrenheit is closer to Kelvin as well.

Checkmate metrictards.

[Anonymous No.1703682]

>>1703678
It's not though. And that's not what I was talking about.

[Anonymous No.1703742]

>>1703670
>Some of us measure the temperature of more than the air, dipshit.
Actual science should always be done using Kelvin, the actual SI standard unit.
Otherwise, there's no scale where Celsius makes sense.
I can't set my stove to freezing, I can't set the 'fridge to boiling.
There's just no context where Celsius makes sense.
But all these metric vs whatever arguments are bullshit because none of the measuring systems we use are much better than any other system.

[Anonymous No.1703754]

>>1702136
Wait until you see how they measure small distances, write dates, tell the temperature, fuck even price things in a shop-the price that's shown doesn't include tax except sometimes it does. Absolutely mental.
I'm surprised they even use seconds to keep time instead of something retardedly rudimentary like how long a candle burns or a bucket drips empty

[Anonymous No.1703756]

>>1703754
>write dates
The ONLY sensible date format is ISO-8601 (year-month-day).
Euro's like day-month-year which is totally fucked, since decimal numbers go from the general to the specific, not specific to general.
The most significant digit in a date is the high digit of the year, but in the Euro system, it's not the first digit, nor the last. Sort Euro dates is a giant pain.
American dates aren't much better (without the year, our dates sort properly), but at least we don't go online and insist _your_ system is absurd and you should use our slightly less absurd system.

[Anonymous No.1703760]

>>1703756
>The ONLY sensible date format
Wrong
> sort euro dates massive pain
In a computer? Don't store them wrongly then, use epoch.
On paper? Do you have eyes? How difficult is it to read a whole date instead of just the first character? Mental.

[Anonymous No.1703763]

>>1703760
>On paper? Do you have eyes? How difficult is it to read a whole date instead of just the first character? Mental.
If you're that flexible, then what's wrong with mm/dd/yy?
Now let's talk about taxes. If I ship something to Germany, I have to pay the VAT, but I can't tell how much that will be until my package gets to Germany.
If I want to ship my German cousin a hard disk, the German government will charge him an unknown amount, whatever they fell like, and I can't pre-pay it to UPS because they don't know how much it will be.
But yeah, x% above the sticker price is waaaayyyy to complicated.

Be honest, what kind of grades did you get in math?

[Anonymous No.1703765]

>>1703763
I got an A in maths.
Reading the numbers isn't a problem but allowing mm/dd makes certain dates ambiguous.
Import tax and duty rates for any item you can look up on the internet, it's not my fault your American company can't do basic maths.
The maths isn't the problem, the problem is why does everything have to be a trick? dd/mm/yyyy makes sense, writing the actual price on something makes sense.

[Anonymous No.1703766]

>>1702276
Freudian slip?

[Anonymous No.1703768]

>>1702278
>some North American countries
There are only three, if it's not all but 'some' then it's at the most two fucking countries. Wouldn't actually naming them make more sense? It would be more exact, easier to understand AND faster to read/write and take up less screen space.
inb4 autism

[Anonymous No.1703770]

>>1703466
how is that a bad thing?

[Anonymous No.1703772]

>>1703678
Did you mean rankine?

[Anonymous No.1703774]

>>1703638
I mean even NASA recognizes the fact that metric is easier to use and there's no reason to overcomplicate shit.
Who the fuck cares what the mexican contractor and trailer trash use.

[Anonymous No.1703776]

>>1703763
It is slightly retarded, but wouldn't matter much if not for the fact that it leads to confusion sometimes since the format is not always easy to guess.
I still don't care too much, but it would be nice if it was standardized.

[Anonymous No.1703778]

>>1703765
>allowing mm/dd makes certain dates ambiguous.
Only if you also allow dd/mm.
The obvious answer is yyyy-mm-dd, but hey, somehow _we're_ wrong, while _you're_ lucky enough to be born into the part of the world that uses the only reasonable system.
>Import tax and duty rates for any item you can look up on the interne
The percentage,sure. But since I don't know how much the government will decide the hard disk is worth. So I STILL have to let them charge my cousin a random amount because I can't pay it in advance because they won't tell me x% of how freakin' much.
Not a huge deal, really, but it makes your problem with adding a fixed percentage to the price tag seem trivial.

[Anonymous No.1703779]

I guess slow boards get butthurt too.

[Anonymous No.1703781]

>>1703774
>I mean even NASA recognizes
a) ALL countries use a mix of Metric and local, traditional units, including Murrica. Ask a Brit what they weigh, now you've got go google what the fuck a "Stone" weighs.
b) ALL scientific endeavors use metric "even" in the land of the free.

>>1703774
>metric is easier to use
[citation needed]
This is the ultimate answer here. I could argue that base 60 (like minutes and seconds) is superior to base 10 because you can divide 60 by 3.
You could argue base 10 is more "human" because we have ten fingers.
But in the end, all the systems we use are pretty easy to master, and none of them can claim to be the only logical/practical/sensible system.

[Anonymous No.1703793]

>>1703781
It's easier to use due to easier unit conversions, more straightforward fractions, easier to add fractions, being compatible with our positional notation system which is base ten, etc. I feel like base sixty would be annoying (sixty fucking symbols?) for little benefit.

And most countries are metric only (outside of very niche traditional stuff like jewelry etc).

[Anonymous No.1703800]

>>1703793
>I like ten because I like it
>Stop liking what I don't like
>The exact way of doing things that I do things is the only good way, you are a poop head.

[Anonymous No.1703806]

>>1703800
>not seething

[Anonymous No.1703807]

>>1703806
:^)

[Anonymous No.1703808]

>>1703800
I don't necessarily like it, I think base nine or eleven would be just as good but base sixty would be too fucking much (imagine table of multiplications, for fuck's sake) anyway even you use base ten and metric just fits it better than imperial.

[Anonymous No.1703829]

>>1703778
If I asked you the date, you as an American would say October 23rd.
I already know its October, it's been October all month. Just like I know its 2019. I'm least likely to know what day it is because that's what changes most often. That's why its first. What's your excuse?

You are digging yourself a hole here, if adding the tax is impossible then its not comparable to a shop at all where the price, tax are all known quantities. Why doesn't the shop do it then? Dumb.

>>1703781
>ALL countries use a mix of Metric
No they fucking don't ask someone in the UK who was born after 1980 more likely you get answer in kg. Roads are in miles however but I wouldn't care if they were changed to km, makes absolutely no difference in fact I would welcome changes to so with cars because I'm fucking sick of being sold fuel in litres and cars performance in miles per gallon. Km roads would be the cherry on top.

>>1703793
Unit conversions would be the same ease. Base 10 is arbitrary.
There is a difference between base of number system and using fractions vs decimals (?).
If we used base 12 inches and feet would seem sensible, but fractions of inches would still be stupid. The main reason metric works isn't because its 10, it's because EVERYTHING is 10.

[Anonymous No.1703854]

>>1703829
I obviously meant unit conversions in imperial are more bothersome than in metric since we already use base ten.
And metric would be worse if EVERYTHING in metric was some power of 9 since it would clash with our base ten.

[Anonymous No.1703855]

>>1703854
>>1703829
Oh and fractions is just how people use imperial which is why I added it as a disadvantage. Obviously people could use decimals in imperial (e.g. in carpenting), but they don't.

[Anonymous No.1703879]

>>1703829
>No they fucking don't
Except the British use stone, miles yards and ounces in certain cases, just like Americans use liters for liquor and wine.
Indians still use the tola the maund, etc., the Burmese use their own whole system, everybody uses kilotons and megatons for nukes, The Chinese have actually outlawed non-metric systems, then added exceptions for Hong Kong.

I can't wait for the UFO's to land so you can tell the aliens _their_ measuring system is dumb because you like metric better.
None of the systems we've discussed here are significantly better than any other system.

[Anonymous No.1703881]

>>1703829
Do you really care this much about a place you don't live using a system that doesn't affect you? If it eases your mind (because I'm sure this hits home for you) we produce and dose our blood pressure meds in metric, just like they do for you wherever you are.

Inb4 You can't even get meds in America because of your crappy insurance!

[Anonymous No.1703885]

>>1703829
>No they fucking don't
See also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_units_of_measurement
> It has remained mostly unaltered since the adoption of the measures of the Tang Dynasty in 701.
> The present values of most Korean and Taiwanese units of measurement derive from these values as well, owing to their occupations by the Japanese.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_units_of_measurement
>Chinese units of measurement, known in Chinese as the shìzhì ("market system"), are the traditional units of measurement of the Han Chinese.
>In the present day, the People's Republic of China maintains some customary units based upon the market units

America is only unusual in that you Euro's bitch at us for being like a lot of other countries (including some of your own).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pood
etc etc etc

[Anonymous No.1703888]

>>1703885

Considering that you're a goddamned know-it-all, maybe you should learn how to pluralize words like Euro.

[Anonymous No.1703891]

>>1703888

[Anonymous No.1703898]

>>1703879
> everyone else
> here are one or two, that is the same.

If aliens didn't already use metric (how else would they manage space travel?) they would be falling over themselves to adopt it.

[Anonymous No.1703909]

>>1702136
I always wondered, if Euros use 240v for everything instead of 120/240v as in US, do they use much smaller gauge to wire things we would normally run 120v to?

[Anonymous No.1703911]

>>1703909
Postin from The Netherlands, 2.5mm2 is the default for building installations. Max fuse=16A for this wire.

[Anonymous No.1703912]

>>1703909
>>1703911
2.5mm2 = 14 AWG according to google.

[Anonymous No.1703916]

>>1703911
Ah, so you do use slightly smaller. In US we normally use 4.0mm2(12 AWG) for receptacles and 2.5mm2(14 AWG) for lighting, at least in my city.

[Anonymous No.1703917]

>>1703916
I see, lighting is 1.5mm2 here.

[Anonymous No.1703923]

>>1703626
THe daily life bullshit is stupid.
Both systems are usable in daily life.
Celcius has advantages when calculating, thats is.

[Anonymous No.1703925]

>>1703756
I agree for anything that has to be logged and sorted, but for daily life, as the other anon mentioned the day is more important than the month or year.

[Anonymous No.1703928]

>>1703916
>we normally use 4.0mm2(12 AWG) for receptacles and 2.5mm2(14 AWG) for lighting
In the US, building codes are adopted by the local state or county, but they all adopt (and possibly modify) the NFPA's NEC (National Electrical Code).
Residential recepticals are mostly 15 amp/14 awg minimum, but kitchen and dining room outlets are required to be 20 amp/12 awg.

[Anonymous No.1703930]

>>1703923
>Celcius has advantages when calculating, thats is.
Calculating what, exactly?
The only reason we can use either Celsius or Fahrenheit, where zero isn't really zero, is that we don't do math on temperatures.
You don't multiply 100 degrees by two to get "twice" as hot as boiling.
that's not what a double boiler is.
Temperature and math mix best with Kelvin, the actual SI standard.

[Anonymous No.1703937]

>>1703916
uk you can get away with 4mm for 32A socket radial and 1.0mm lighting at 6A.
wire gauge is current capacity.

[Anonymous No.1703945]

>>1703854
>I obviously meant unit conversions in imperial are more bothersome than in metric since we already use base ten.
That's a weak argument, watch:
q: How many meters in a kilometer?
a: 1000, but it doesn't matter (see below)
q: How many feet in a mile?
a: I don't know (it's really 5280), but it doesn't matter: here's why:

If you measure a room for wallpaper, you can use whatever units they sell wallpaper by at the local store.
It's not like I'd measure a room by feet or yards, and the store sells wallpaper by the square mile.
Google maps isn't going to give me the distance to the next turn in inches, leaving me to do a bunch of math in my head.

It's neat and orderly that metric uses base ten, then uses the same power names for different units (km & kg, for instance).
And I guess thatt's really appealing in a pedantic/OCD kind of way.
But that doesn't make _our_ system impractical or otherwise inferior.

[Anonymous No.1703947]

>>1703945
>But that doesn't make _our_ system impractical or otherwise inferior.
yes it fucking does

[Anonymous No.1703950]

>>1703945
You can argue that with scientists at NASA.

[Anonymous No.1703966]

>>1703930
But C has the same magnitude between degrees as Kelvin does, so when using equations that call for delta Temp C does just fine.

The reason I like C is because of the normally stated one: 0 is the freezing point for water and 100 is the boiling point for water (given standard air, etc). When it gets below 0 I know that ice starts to become possible, and the lower it goes the more likely it is. I've used it while snowboarding to tell what the weather will be like and what kind of clothes I should wear, and I have very little experience with C (murrican). I use it to know when my tea is drinkable (68) or when my bath is good (45). Kelvin is great, but you only have to add a factor of 273 to Celsius to get it.

>>1703945
But Google maps does give you smaller distances in feet if you use miles, and I doubt anyone actually relates the two. Having multiple units for the same exact thing (length in this case) is a headache. The fact that you put off the math to someone else to do is perfect example of why metric is better for everyone; it's so much easier to use you can do-it-yourself.

>>1703829
>I already know its October, it's been October all month. Just like I know its 2019.
You do know that only applies during the day that it currently happens to be, whereas there are many more dates that are from the past. When reading dates from the past knowing the year first is the most important, followed by the month, then day. Having the year first for a current date is more convenient because you can skip the first part instead of skipping a bit in the middle. Your argument also doesn't make sense because you're saying you already know the year and month, so why don't you already know the day? Why even say it out loud if it's so obvious?

[Anonymous No.1703970]

>>1703626
>0 K
>Everyone and everything dead
>100 K
>Everyone and everything still dead

[Anonymous No.1703974]

ITT: obsessed yuropoors

[Anonymous No.1703984]

>>1703947
>yes it fucking does
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipse_dixit

>>1703950
>You can argue that with scientists at NASA.
We both know they use metric, but not because they want to measure the distance to the moon in inches, but the navigation software uses miles.
Converting from inches to miles just doesn't come up any more than converting from millimeters to kilometers.

>>1703966
>when using equations that call for delta Temp C does just fine.
So, you're doing some kind of scientific or engineering work, NOT using the official SI standard, BUT you still go on the interwebs to complain about stupid Americans using yet another system?
Even though we both know none of us Yanks are using Fahrenheit for anything involving math?
Which was my original point:
>>1703930

[Anonymous No.1703986]

>oi mate, this ere wire is bout 4 quids' length to the queen's tit, innit?
>quite right, just don't forget to add the dilly fingwangler to your sugarcubage, else you be measuring your hoppleswitches to a stone's throw, eh?

[Anonymous No.1704022]

>>1703937
Nice/interesting. It would save a lot of money copper if everything was 240v here.

[Anonymous No.1704029]

>>1703984
>NOT using the official SI standard
Dude, the SI Brochure even mentions this directly, pic related. Celsius is fine to use with SI. The conversion is literally add or subtract a 5 digit number, which is much better than having to use the more convoluted conversion from Fahrenheit. If I'm going to practice using a temperature scale I'm going to choose the one that is both easy to use and easy to convert to K. Fahrenheit is neither.

If you're not going to use it for math then why does it bother you? Just so you can say a 3 digit temperature is hot?

[Anonymous No.1704050]

>>1704022
>It would save a lot of money copper if everything was 240v here.
240v is supplied to your house - it's up to you what you decide to power with it.

[Anonymous No.1704139]

>>1704029
>The conversion is literally add or subtract a 5 digit number,
So you ARE doing a conversion between systems.
>much better than having to use the more convoluted conversion from Fahrenheit
For the third time:
No-One is doing math with Fahrenheit.
Which has been my point all along.

>Just so you can say a 3 digit temperature is hot?
As others have pointed out, Fahrenheit is a relatable scale since both 0 and 100 are extreme environmental temperatures.
While for non-scientific/engineering purposes Celsius is less relatable because it's zero and 100 will never come up in the same context.
The scope of its scale doesn't relate to oven temperatures, environmental extremes, refrigeration, etc.

I don't know how many times I can say this same basic thing over and over.
What part aren't you getting?
Even if you disagree, you should be able to refute my point?

[Anonymous No.1704180]

>>1704022
Yeah but then cost of wire installs would have been 50% less, and that's no good for industrialists. Another cool fact is that while touching 240V mains 'throws you back,' 120V is known to lock up your muscles so you become unable to escape. Almost everything is greater in America!

[Anonymous No.1704259]

>>1704029
Actually, your quote is wrong,
It's a common error. The unit is, of course, the Celsius degree. N degrees Celsius is a point on the Celsius scale. A Celsius degree is the distance between two adjacent Celsius degrees.
But Fahrenheit? It's rubbish, although I hear the cold storage people like it because of the smaller degrees. Fahrenheit degrees are 5/9 of a Celsius degree.

[Anonymous No.1704280]

>>1703885
>be on a Japanese cartoon forum
>don't even know that Japan uses metric for just about everything
Literally the only everyday practical use for their old systems is the tatami for designing and measuring floor space. It's not even remotely like burgers, where every fucking screw is imperial, every part has imperial dimensions, and metric is a special thing you need to go out of your way to find and use.

[Anonymous No.1704313]

>>1704280
>Japan uses metric for just about everything
>just about everything
>just about
This has been my point all along.
You bitch at America for using a mix of metric and English, even though everybody is still hanging on to SOME local units.
And before you quibble about percentages, the real point is NONE of these systems are so bad hey _need_ to be replaced.
Anyone who can't deal with ANY of the systems in use today shouldn't be allowed to wander around in public unsupervised.
Metric is neat, but it's also a solution in search of a problem.

>>1704280
>metric is a special thing you need to go out of your way to find and use.
???
On my workbench is a tuna fish tin with bunch of computer screws. Half of them are "the bigger computer screw" and the other half are "the smaller computer screw". Any computer nerd in the world has the exact same screws. Are they metric or Imperial? Both.
The little ones are metric (M3-0.50). The larger one is Imperial (6-32).
If you live in America, all the stuff at the store (metric or not) is already in the right units. As long as you aren't buying a furnace in Germany and your filters in America, or something like that, you'll be fine. I've never even heard of this being a problem.

[Anonymous No.1704322]

>>1703898
kek

[Anonymous No.1704326]

>>1704313
And on the tuna fish can, like every other food container in the country, there were both grams and ounces as well. In fact, the standard for nutrition information is a portion size of 100g. You know dude is just baiting you, right? Let him go, Anon.

[Anonymous No.1704340]

>>1704326
>Let him go, Anon.
yeah, I'd like to think I'm trolling him more than the other way around.
After all, the whole theme of the thread is Euros complaining about Americans, not the other way around.

[Anonymous No.1704351]

>>1704313
Fuck those retarded imperial pc screws btw complete shit.

[Anonymous No.1704569]

>>1704340
As an American I always make sure to use SI units when working with an audience of unknown nationality because I can trust an American to know there is just less than 15.5 grains in a gram and just more than 25.2 mm in an inch, but foreigners are generally too stupid to Google it.

Base 10 is dumb anyways, the Mesopotamians had it right 5000 years ago when they were working in base 60. No difficult calculating then when you can call out a half, a third, a fourth, a 5th, a sixth, a tenth, a 12th, and a 15th without any remainder.

[Anonymous No.1704585]

>>1704569
>just more than 25.2 mm in an inch
As an American, I was taught it was exactly 25.4 mm to one inch.
While that is technically just more than 25.2, so is 25.3 or 25.225.
If you're going to use metric, at least use the correct figure.

[Anonymous No.1704588]

>>1703626
>0 c
Water is dead
>100 c
Water is still dead

[Anonymous No.1704663]

>>1704351
>Fuck those retarded imperial pc screws btw complete shit.
How is this a problem?
They're Phillips heads (or whatever you call that in the UK, "cripmpymuffins style" or whatever), so you don't need a special sized tool. Every case, bracket, drive, etc. comes with more than you need, so you never need to buy them.
They just lay there in the little tunafish tin.
Hell, most people on either side of the ocean don't realize they're from two different systems.
Do you lie awake at night, deeply troubled by the dreaded Imperial Screws lying somewhere in your work space?

[Anonymous No.1704664]

>>1704663
>"cripmpymuffins style"
CRIMPYMUFFINS style

oops.

[Anonymous No.1704699]

>>1703768
There are 23 countries in North America. Most use AWG.

[Anonymous No.1704702]

>>1704180
No, lock-on is determined by current; above 10mA. Either voltage will easily do this.

[Anonymous No.1706453]

>>1703774
Aerospace industry uses imperial b/c mil handbook 5 is in imperial.