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What line of work in your trade houses the most hacks?

>> No.1702020

>>1702008
Plumbers and Electricians.

>> No.1702032

>>1702008
asphalt sealcoating

>> No.1702040

>>1702008
>oil
Everyone. They all look like your pic.

>> No.1702071

>>1702008
Residential plumbers.

Get it done as fast and as cheap as possible.
" codes " are more like guidelines.
Cutting corners everywhere.
Garbage tier tradesmen

>> No.1702080

>>1702008

In the electrical field from worst to most prestigous

Solar
Residential
Underground / Traffic
Deck Work

Then service work, which is fixing up shit (old construction)

Then new construction
Commercial, usually EMT and Flex

Then all into itself would be industrial: motors, controls, stainless steel, rigid

>> No.1703227

>>1702071
exposed wire can kill you, leaky pipe cannot
no point for me to follow codes and spend twice as much time and money on the job when there is no danger present

>> No.1703230

>>1702071
forgot
>proceeds to charge you as if they were a brain surgeon
>justifies the price because you had them do it and didn't want to
>Drives off in their $100,000 truck

>> No.1703239

>>1702080

>> No.1703266

"Project Manager"

>> No.1703283

>>1703227
Good lord

>> No.1703321

Residential Wiremen

>"Just ignore all my mistakes. Do not point out that I fucked up. Do not ask me to come back and fix them. Fuck you."

>> No.1703325

Oilfield roustabouts.

>> No.1703328

>>1703227

>No danger present

In the US that slow leak will turn that OSB beam into mush killing a whole family when the middle floor of their MCmansion collapses.

>> No.1703330

>>1703266

Project manager here. Can confirm. I have to operate like a hack because the majority of shit i have to oversee are done by hacks. Just gotta get it rehacked a little bit better.

>> No.1703400

>>1703328
Say something original

>> No.1703527

>>1702080
Which of this type of work could a handyman branch into without having to be grandfathered in by slaving through the "time=good" apprentice-journeyman-master bs system?

>> No.1703597

>>1703227

>no point for me to follow codes and spend twice as much time and money

Exhibit "A" your honour.

Thank you for proving my point.

>> No.1703605

Structural steel welders/iron workers

>> No.1703922

>>1702071
What even is gas.

>> No.1703980

>>1703266
Literally took the words out my mouth

>> No.1704003
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1704003

I know some stupid fucking floorers

>> No.1704016

>>1704003
That's not stupid. It's autism.

>> No.1704373

>>1704003
What the fuck

>> No.1704406

>>1702008
Scaffolding.

>> No.1704407

>>1704003
Hahahahaha wtf

>> No.1704476

Electricians, we're treated like idiots by all the trades and the GC but do the most work.

>> No.1704514

>>1704476
This but unironically. Fucking tinners are the bane of my existence. Actually get along well with pipefitters though

>> No.1704516

>>1704003
How

>> No.1704529

>>1703527
Electrical work is licensed in most countries so probably none.

>> No.1704690

Hvac/r
Nothing but fucking part swappers
In my experience living in AZ, working for several different companies ranging from mom and pop to national chains
The industry is full of retards that swap shit out without verifying
I've met guys that have been doing it for over a decade that asked me how to check a cap with a meter when I asked them to verify it was the cap instead of just calling it and running to the truck to change it
I fucking hate this job now

>> No.1704716

Not sure how you define hack, but Residential plumbers take the cake.

I see basic plumbing done wrong in the majority of houses, even by people with licenses.

HVAC probably has the most scammers of any trade. 90% of the time the guy says you need a new system, it's probably just a capacitor

Very rarely see licensed residential electricians make hack tier mistakes on new construction. They just charge $200 to change out an outlet or $150 to put up a ceiling fan

Literally half of all tilers fuck up and ruin the entire shower

I've been in jobs where a crew of Mexicans show, none of them speak any English and the same six guys proceed to fuck up there plumbing, electoral roof, cabinets, and painting. It worked for a year before the place shit the bed and the builder's phone was disconnected.

>> No.1704723

>>1704716
>Very rarely see licensed residential electricians make hack tier mistakes on new construction.

I've had to go in an fix some serious hack jobs in homes costing within the upward $5 mill, everything from trim plates sticking out 1/8" from the wall to niggers forgetting to run t-stat wire to a 2nd floor air handler, forgetting to add door bell chimes, lazy niggers using 12-2 wire hot and neutral as 'travelers' for 3-way switches, it's especially bad in cookie cutter mcmansions slapped together by piece workers that still go in the 1 million dollar price range with sconce lights not even near the same height or hihats not 'in row' with one another, of course mistakes happen but doing a shit job during layout or outright forgetting to run an entire circuit is pretty fucking bad.

I'm considering just getting out of electrical and doing low voltage or fire alarm/security for commerical/industrial type jobs lol FUCK residential work, I'd even consider going back to commercial electrical.

>> No.1704873

Really it seems residential is infested with hacks of all trades. Certainly not all res contractors are hacks, but you can skate by easier as a hack in res as opposed to commercial.

>> No.1705008

>>1704723
Why wouldn't you stay in commercial electrical to begin with? Too much digging?

>> No.1705066

>>1705008
>Why wouldn't you stay in commercial electrical to begin with? Too much digging?

Actually I'm doing more slabs now than in commercial, mostly did office remodels. Just wanted to get a few years of experience doing residential under my belt.

>> No.1705095

>>1703527
You can't. Either work for the union and very slowly make your way up to good pay or be a scab and get fired and never rehired by anyone because your sub is behind due to mismanagement and needs to appease the GC by shifting the blame.

>> No.1705096

>Currently renovating a university's laboratories, union sparky
>Non-union workers installing switch boxes that aren't on the floor plan, not fastening EMT at all, taking our tools and not returning them, and leaving tripping hazards fucking everywhere in a building with multiple enormous open shafts

>> No.1705202

>>1702008
shipyard workers. they're making bank for doing shit that navy ships force could do no problem.

>> No.1705209

My company has sparkies, pipebois, and airguys.
The pipebois do well, some make mistakes but actually try to do well and make their shit look good.
Sparkies are hit and miss. Some take good care, others just say fuck it my job is just get the power over there, doesn't matter if the wires are a tripping hazard.
But the airbois, jesus. When I started I didn't get why the company puts so much money and time into them. A typical bill a sparky or pipeboi puts out is like 350. The airboys seem to not even walk in the door short of 600. New disconnect on condenser and coil cleaning? 750 pls. New Tstat and humidifier? 1350 pls. You're ac is 16 years old, it's too far gone to fix, you should replace it, that'll be 5.8k pls.
Our golden boy airboi condemns heat exchangers left and right. Rarely do I ever see anything failed on them once I've pulled the furnace out. I've even filled some with water, not a drop coming out, but yea it's cracked and had to be condemned. I do installs for the airboys and pipeboys (sewer, water lines, gas repipe, hvac systems), the pipebois are rarely wrong. If I am to replace the sewer, it's fucked, not even a jet would fix it or at least not fix it for long. Same goes with water/gas lines. But the airbois? I call them up all the time
>hey Joe why is this furnace getting taken out, it seems fine
>uhh it was out of manufacture warranty, had high amps on blower motor, needed a cleaning on secondary heat exchanger, and one of the fittings on the flue was leaking a bit of condensate
>so I offered a new system with 10 year warranty for 14k. they bought it
>uhh... okay thanks bye
I guess I don't mind all the work but fuck it's hard seeing these people throw thousands away for honestly no good reason. Worse is when one of the airbois comments on my work, even though none of them can install new, only change out parts or redo what was already there.

>> No.1705440

>>1702071
>Cutting corners everywhere.
cutting corners, cutting joists

>> No.1705442

>>1703527
you have to take the time to get good

>> No.1705443

>>1704003
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld2nWfIap2k

>> No.1705693

Genral contracting here.
Junkie laborer get fired because he emptied a fresh can of speay foam into a garbage bin and huffed it.