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Why do people make faggy boring houses when you could make something like this?

>> No.1661652

*creak* *creak* *creak* *creeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeak*

>> No.1661654
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>>1661652
>stone floors

>> No.1661663

>>1661654
*tip* *tap* *tip* *taaaaaaaaaap*

>> No.1661671

>>1661651
Cost: a lot of manual work good into those houses
Energy efficiency: old designs have terrible insulation
Fire safety: old houses are rare because they burn down
Material scarcity: not many old growth forests left, extremely expensive wood
Profit: pretty decreases profit, probably the biggest reason.

>> No.1661684

>>1661671
If you build a new home using older architectural styles you realize you don't have to build it with knob and tube wiring and without insulation, right

>>1661651
Most people have no taste and think a mcmansion in a cookie-cutter suburb is the pinnacle of achievement. I've got myself a little 700sqft ranch that I'm slowly working on to turn it into traditional cottage. When I'm done the only thing that'll give it away is the 5/12 roof pitch

>> No.1661704

>>1661671
>Fire safety: old houses are rare because they burn down
There was a higher rate of fire because they used a hell of a lot more fire in their daily lives.
>Material scarcity: not many old growth forests left, extremely expensive wood
Old growth is not needed, timber and log built houses are almost exclusively built with young trees and always have been, whether or not they grew up in an old growth forest has little effect here. This sort of wood is cheap and plentiful. There are a great deal of old growth forests left in the world, I assume you live in Europe, most of the rest of the world was smart enough to not clear cut all of its forests.

>> No.1661716

>>1661704
>I assume you live in Europe, most of the rest of the world was smart enough to not clear cut all of its forests.
Not him but this makes me cry every time.
We'd rather widen the already wide highway because of traffic than plant some more trees.
We'd rather built more shitty windmills than plant forests.
It's all so tiresome.

>> No.1661719

>>1661651
This kind of wooden cribs arent very efficent in keeping warm inside during winter. Unless they are whole wooden bars made of.

>> No.1661721

>>1661719
you are assuming a great deal that can not be told just from an outside shot.

>> No.1661731

>>1661719
So THAT'S why dragestil architecture originated in Norway! Lord knows they don't have snowy winters to worry about there.

>> No.1661737

>>1661651
For some of us a clean dry box to shit and sleep in is important. Rather spend my money on funs and equipment

>> No.1661744

>>1661731
By modern standards these are very inefficient, but people used to be ok with pulling on another layer if they got cold. There were various things that could be done to make them stay warmer, like boarding the interior walls, but it seems far from common, lots of work with little return, not that big of a deal to shut up most of the house and live near the fireplace for a few weeks when the temperatures get good and low.

>> No.1661747

>>1661716
Planting doesn't help since almost all new planting takes place in tree farms which is fertilized to maximize growth, not becoming a healthy old forest

>> No.1661749

>>1661651
maintenance.

>> No.1661760

>>1661747
Are you a moron?

You can plant without farming and fertilizer, just plant and ignore, we do it all the time in the US. If you put a little thought into your planting there is no reason those trees will not grow into a healthy and old forest.

No wonder Europe has no forests, no one knows a damn thing about them.

>> No.1661764

>>1661651
resale

most houses aren't bought to be a home, they're bought to be glorified financial assets

>> No.1662138

>>1661651
If I understand language correctly , this is a library. Would the quality, and extra cost be related to the fact taxpayers funded it.

>> No.1662158

>>1661651

Yeah why hook up at the gas station bathroom when you could fuck yourself up on hormones and become a trap?

>> No.1662162

>>1662158
wat

>> No.1662168

>>1661651
Looks like an old train station in the northwest USA.

>> No.1662172

>>1662168
Fried Green Tomatoes-esque

>> No.1662339

>>1662138
It probably was not a library originally, or is not just a library. The building has two front doors, it was likely two different shops originally, with living space up stairs. If you live in a rural community the cost of having things like 2x4s and plywood trucked in can get expensive quick. With this style the materials are locally available and in the range of free to cheap, almost the entire cost is labor.

>> No.1662343

Reading the answers in this thread made me seriously wonder if everything else on this rotten board is bullshit too.

>> No.1662344

Because not every house is a labor of love. Lots of people just want something to show off that’s trendy and developers make them as cheap as possible to make the most profit.

>> No.1662346

>>1662343
Well, contribute something worthwhile then, you imply that you know more than everyone else here but provide nothing to demonstrate that or to improve this thread or the board.

>> No.1662382

>>1662346
Ok:
Wooden houses are not cold.
Source: have never lived in anything but wooden houses.

>> No.1662389

>>1662382
I think a lot of people (often older people) believe this because they experienced being somewhere cold that also happened to be made of wood.

>> No.1662391

>>1662382
Fail.

Plenty of wood houses are difficult to heat, a log cabin is much harder to bring up to temperature than a modern wooden house, but easier to keep at that temp once you have those logs heated well through since their mass stores the heat, but they also store the cold and when it is -40 out it can be quite a battle to keep things warm.

Try again.

>> No.1662393

>>1662391
>they also store the cold
But what about wood from trees grown under the light from a sun made of ice (a nus)?

>> No.1662406

>>1662168
>>1662172
It was a train station in Norway.

>>1662391
Only people don’t build log cabins to live in anymore unless they’re LARPers like the Canadian mgtow youtuber. I’m the old days they would do anything they could to retain heat, like stuffing moss and sheep wool in the gaps, and hanging woven rugs on the wall and so forth, but yeah they had the fire going pretty much at all times except for a few hours during the night. That’s no longer relevant to wooden houses of today, which are as you say a lot easier to warm up, but also like you didn’t say, retain their heat better. If you think the logs in a log cabin wall retain heat better than a well insulated wooden house you are delusional. It’s a more comfortable heat once it gets going yeah, but it’s not longer lasting or warmer.

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For all those whining about "muh insulation," just wear a hooded jacket or hooded sweater and get a bedside heater. Problem solved.

I would love to have a modern stone roundhouse or a burrow home. I would love for it to be located near a forest for hunting and fishing and to have enough land to do some permaculture and to grow fruit trees.

Oh and as for mention of fires, there are paints, plasters, and glossings that help keep fires small enough to get put out with fire extinguishers.

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>> No.1662431

>>1662426
Why?

>> No.1662432

>>1662406
>Only people don’t build log cabins to live in anymore
Yes they do, they are all over the upper midwest, there are two log home building companies within 25 miles of me.

>moss and sheep wool in the gaps
Things have advanced a fair amount in log construction and even with more traditional methods, not hard to seal up the logs.

>If you think the logs in a log cabin wall retain heat better
Drywall, insulation, plywood and siding has very little mass to actually hold heat, it is pretty much just the air trapped in the insulation, which gives up its heat quickly, 12" of solid wood can store a very good amount of heat, once you have the logs heated well through they radiate that heat into the building and keep the house warm as the fire dies through the night. Modern house store most of their heat in the air, not the structure.

t. has spent a couple weeks every winter for nearly 20 years now holed up in a cabin in the north woods and have done it in everything from shacks to modern heavily insulated and sealed structures. Log is the most comfortable by far. Have to wake up every 2 hours to stoke the fire in the well insulated cabins, the log can get through the night without issue once you have the structure heated, just damp the fire down to a nice smolder and all is well.

>> No.1662436

>>1662431
Works better with the local environment and tends to be more sustainable not to mention it is near fishing and hunting opportunity.

>> No.1662526

>>1662425
Or you could build it with better materials that don't make it so you don't have to wear a parka inside your house or worry about burning the whole thing down every time you cook dinner.

>> No.1662544

>>1662426
imagine the humidity

>> No.1662566

>>1662544
They are actually quite comfy, especially in the winter, assuming they are in their proper climate. They need dry summers and wet winters, stays nice and cool in the summer heat and when thing get wet and cold the fire dries the air out to a comfortable level. Most comfortable wood fired winter I ever had was in a very similar house, the fire did not dry out the air like it does in a standard building.

>> No.1662602

>>1662436
Sorry, but I like my walls be concrete and insulated

>> No.1662617

>>1662406
Mate I build log cabins for half my living.
The most recent one was in a wooded suburb in southwest Michigan.

>> No.1662653

>>1662436
a bunch of shit i dont care about. have fun being sustainable when a thousand other pajeets were just born and another thousand just turned of age and are burning trash in the back of their shitting shed

>> No.1662771

>>1661760
not everyone grew up with Tom Hanks teaching them about the Forrest.

>> No.1662777

>>1661651
Looks like the siding was installed by a blind person. Also who ever chose that color scheme should be blasted in the faced with a shotgun.

>> No.1662781

>>1661651
Why do I feel like some strange old man is going to try selling me a potion outside of that house?

>> No.1662782

>>1661663
>He doesn't levitate

>> No.1662787

>>1661651
>Why do people make faggy boring houses
Because they buy them from a cataloge and building the exact same house dozens of times lowers the overall price.

>> No.1662830

>>1662391
And to further strengthen your point, the houses would never store any cold, the people that live there would start making fires when it started to get colder. To make the sure the house doesn't cool down. But on the other hand, having lived in a brick house all my life. With the recent heatwaves where I live, the house is fine for 2 days. After those 2 days the everything is up to temperature and it's too hot to sleep in. And it cannot be the mostly air that holds heat, with fans all over the house at night to get fresh, cool air in the house wouldn't get any cooler. The walls retained the heat and were releasing it at night.

>> No.1662841

Materials are cheap and labor is expensive. That is why everything is a box nowadays. Back then materials were expensive and labor was cheap hence the ornate designs, etc. /thread

>> No.1662855

>>1662544
Then purchase a dehumidifier if you live in a more humid region. It is all about location and, as I said, working with the local environment and climate.

>> No.1662861

>>1661651
I like the clock

>> No.1662865

>>1662841
I'm going to say it's much more complicated than that. In the past there was a much greater element of philanthropy in employment and in ornamentation, 19th C factories often had a lot of ornament to make them more pleasant places to work and people were employed for such tasks so they'd have money to live. Look up Frost's Two Tramps In Mud Time, it talks about charitable work-giving.

>> No.1662868

>>1662865
this
Nowadays its all about cost and cheap as shit

>> No.1662872

>>1662841
You're not supposed to /thread your own post -- it makes you look like a pompous asshole. That said, the quality of the post content was breddygud.

>> No.1662898

>>1662830
>. And it cannot be the mostly air that holds heat
I said it is mostly air that retains the heat in a modern wooden house, you live in masonry which a good amount of thermal mass, But the items in the house also provide thermal mass, just like your fridge, the fuller it is the less it has to work to keep things cold.

>> No.1662908

>>1662865
Philanthropy is not the reason they made fancy looking factories, they did it and the philanthropy for the same reason, they wanted to be remembered as great and they were competitive as all fuck trying to constantly outdo each other. There probably were some that were genuine but for most it was business.

>>1662872
But it is not correct, massive generalizations and assumption required to take that leap, might pan out in forestless Europe though.

>> No.1662947

Why don't we have diy rentable 3d printing house?

>> No.1662952

>>1662777
Looks like this post was written by a blind person. Not siding, log build.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNTfLGt59qo

>> No.1662995

>>1662653
fuck you, boomer

>> No.1663010

>>1662544
IIRC that's in Greenland. I don't think it is a huge concern.

>> No.1663023

>>1662898
Ah you were comparing modern wooden homes with log cabins, I see. Misunderstanding on my part

>> No.1663277

>>1661760
Europe has loads of forrests retard, the most since ancient times and its increasing. you should get off 4chan for once in your life.

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>>1662777
>Looks like the siding was installed by a blind person.

go to sleep Mr. Risinger

>> No.1663329

How feasible is it to make a castle style home?

For example,a two story home, the outside made of stone, crenellations along the flat roof you can walk on, two or four towers that have a third floor, and a greathall type large dining room and hearth, with maybe a cellar.

How much would it cost to make a custom home like that on average?

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>>1661651
If money were of no concern then I would have a house with a wizard tower in a art deco or art nouveau mixed with neo classicism with extra detail for the exterior and something like pic related for the interior. I imagine it would be extremely difficult finding people with the ability to build it though
Realistically I would like a Tudor style house like https://www.trulia.com/p/oh/richfield/3573-medina-line-rd-richfield-oh-44286--1111039342 or the ones in the city in Gochuumon Wa usagi Desu ka but even with this I imagine it would be hard to find a contractor to build it properly

>> No.1663408

>>1663405
Start with an architect.

>> No.1663422

>>1663291
Isn't that the house that killed that 12 year old?

>>1663329
It depends, but you could do it fairly cheapish. You have to put a fair amount of thought into usable flat roofs (inb4 some idiot claims otherwise) but lots of people have them because modernism. Incorporating stuff like the towers would probably also require a decent architect as that sort of thing can be super annoying to live with unless you put a lot of thought and experience into how the upper floors connect with each other.

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>> No.1663632

>>1661671
>https://kutv.com/news/local/less-time-to-escape-as-newer-homes-burn-up-to-4-times-faster-than-older-homes
Fuck you.
Fuck OSB.
Fuck Jews.

>> No.1663958

>>1662865
I don't think you can draw quite such a universal conclusion from the 19th century employment situation. There were definitely large numbers of people living on the edge of what is necessary to live, working long hours to just sustain their existence. The only saving grace if you could call it that, was that people in that century didn't ever tend to retire, but died young enough that they wouldn't have to worry about sustaining themselves for decades past the point they could work. They instead died while still working or shortly after being debilitated enough that they could no longer work. The rich employers consisted of a variety of personalities, from the stingiest, most cartoonishly evil greedy robber baron, to a patriarchal father figure to his employees.

>> No.1665125

>>1662432
the purpose of insulation is not to store heat, it's to prevent the transfer of it. That's why it's fluffed up rather than packed in.

>> No.1665157

>>1665125
Yes, we know that, I was not discussing the purpose of insulation. Insulated walls work great when your heat source is automatic and ever present. When you heat with fire and want a good nights sleep, it sucks, you want that thermal mass that can slowly radiate that heat out into the room through the night so you can get a decent nights rest.

Try turning the heat off in a modern well insulated home when it is good and below freezing, watch how quickly (relatively speaking) the temperature drops, try that in a properly constructed and sealed log cabin, much much slower, a damped down fire of smoldering coals will get you through the night just fine. Not sure I have ever made it through a wood heated, sub freezing winter night in a modern style cabin without having to wake up at least once to stoke up the fire and heat the house back up.

>> No.1665207

>>1661651
>Why do people make boring houses when you could make something like this?

I spent a summer painting houses and let me tell you that painting that wooden trim sucks.

The bitch was a two story victorian that was slightly more ornate than what you show there. Whatever genius decided to put hundreds of turned finials and dental molding on the outside of a house should be goddamn shot. It took fucking WEEKS.

>> No.1665225

>>1665207
>It took fucking WEEKS
So? You for paid for that time didn't you? Or did you bid it like a normal house thinking it would only take slightly longer?

>> No.1667211 [DELETED] 

These are some chill ass houses.

>> No.1667231

>>1662425
> open fire inside + straw roof
based

>> No.1667239

>>1667231
Perfectly safe if you live somewhere that is more or less free of dry spells, a weekly rain or snow is plenty, wet thatch is near impossible to start on fire without the help of gas or the like. The tightly packed inner portion of the thatch takes a long time to dry well enough to burn and there is little oxygen in there to feed the fire anyways. Once saw a thatched roof catch fire, whole roof was burning in just seconds but it extinguished itself once that dry outer layer burned off leaving the roof perfectly intact, just a tad thinner.

>> No.1667497

>>1661651
>Faggy boring houses
>Posts a faggy boring house

>> No.1668047

>>1661651
boring faggy houses are cheap to commission and easy to bring into compliance with local regs