WTF? All my outlets are upside down. Why would someone wire shit like this?

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Anonymous Sun Dec 23 08:45:10 2018 No.1522173 [Reply] [Original]

WTF? All my outlets are upside down. Why would someone wire shit like this?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 08:51:49 2018 No.1522176 >>1522173 >Why would someone wire shit like this? That's the correct/proper way. All the others a wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 09:01:12 2018 No.1522180 File: 74 KB, 670x216, Screenshot_2018-12-23_09-00-39.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1522176 >That's the correct/proper way. lier

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 09:21:56 2018 No.1522188 >>1522176 Bullshit every cord is designed to plug in the smiley face way

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 09:30:09 2018 No.1522197

>>1522173
GC here; I took a course on home inspection a few years back.
The course book emphasized strongly to put them in just like op's pic, and
Even explained, moronically, how if you dropped a butter knife it could possibly slide into one of the slots.
No one even questioned it.
So, I suppose there's a bunch of guys out there writing up sellers for having their plugs wrong-side up.
Anyway, I, personally, know it's retarded.
Only thing I can come up with, it's just bullshit to get people to spend more money on useless shit.
Imagine, being forced to have an electrician come in and flip all your outlets upside down.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 09:49:36 2018 No.1522202 >>1522197 >writing up sellers for having their plugs wrong-side up. show where it's required by the code. you can't require things just because you don't like how it looks.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 09:53:28 2018 No.1522205 >>1522197 from a sparkies POV, we think about say a metal picture frame falling down on a half way put in plug. If its ground up nothing really happens, if its ground down the neutral and hot are exposed and the potential for arcing occurs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 09:59:14 2018 No.1522207 >>1522205 that's some NASA level paranoia there. the breaker would trip before the plastic or sheetrock or panelling catches fire.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 10:33:35 2018 No.1522220 >>1522173 It's worse than that, they didn't install the screw shots vertically, either. I'm sure you'll fix that when you flip all the outlets over?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 10:38:28 2018 No.1522227 >>1522220 I used to work with a painter who wanted us to do that when we put the plates back up. He would get pissed when we laughed and said no way fucker.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 11:17:12 2018 No.1522250 >>1522173 Industrial sparky here. I have always been told to fork the grounds and ground goes up. Residential, unless it's brand-new construction, is a mishmash of wonky shit that rarely meets current code. No one inspects buildings after they're done.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 11:27:53 2018 No.1522254 >>1522250 >. I have always been told to fork the grounds

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 11:30:30 2018 No.1522256 >>1522205 My place of employment had a campus built, 2005 to present - every outlet this way, and for this basic reason.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 11:41:33 2018 No.1522261

It is only marginally safer to have the ground up. Normal configuration of
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If something metal were to fall on a half pull out plug it would be a dead short between the hot and neutral. With the ground up like in OP

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It is a 50/50 shot. If it hits the ground and goes to the left it is still a dead short. If it hits the ground pin and goes to the right Then no sparks.

If a piece of equipment is plugged into a good outlet correctly it does not matter. We install them ground down like people expect.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 12:07:41 2018 No.1522274 File: 81 KB, 1200x1200, dd8f3b0b-2f7d-43f8-b41d-8e69e84c18fb.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1522173 Fixed

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 12:15:22 2018 No.1522280 >>1522173 Mine are like that too. House built in 2000

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 13:35:07 2018 No.1522325

>>1522188
In a lot of houses built 1990-201x they would put the outlets in ground down unless it was on a switched circuit so you would know where to plug a lamp floor lamp in. That being said, I’ve seen homes that had no switched outlets, and others that had switched outlets ground down like the rest of them. There really isn’t a standard, and both are completely fine.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 14:04:28 2018 No.1522341

>>1522207
but not before a black mark was left.. nasa also still has shit blow up.

>>1522256
we also think its funny to fuck with the ocd types.. I seriously leave a few outlets crooked for punchlists so they dont pick me apart and have something obvious to find.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 14:14:31 2018 No.1522349

>>1522341
>I seriously leave a few outlets crooked for punchlists so they dont pick me apart and have something obvious to find.

it's amazing how this trick is so effective. leave an easily fixed goof so they can "do their job" and it takes you a minute to finish and leave.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 14:28:22 2018 No.1522364 >>1522274 >not polarized

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 14:31:58 2018 No.1522371 >>1522349 >it's amazing how this trick is so effective for sure, its nice that most inspectors around here only really look into my stuff at the start and during rough in... after that its almost a drive by inspection.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 14:34:20 2018 No.1522375 >>1522364 True, but because it's ac it doesn't matter electrically, plus you can put them in either way round, and They hold the plug in a lot tighter then that NA crap.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 16:29:38 2018 No.1522427 >>1522349 >>1522349 this destroys my faith in humanity

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 16:43:39 2018 No.1522436

>>1522427
>>1522349
It's vital to everything.
even if you work for NASA or whatever.
Come up with one gold plated plan with everything perfect the way you want and you know they won't pay for or approve.
And give another compromise position that's good enough and what you actually think is necessary.

It makes the bean counters think they are doing something important.

Also give yourself a lot of lead time so you can still make your deadline when they decide to cut 4 months off of it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 17:49:56 2018 No.1522486 >>1522188 THIS

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 17:51:00 2018 No.1522488 >>1522207 This. Ffs we cant be trusted to hang photoframes now Land of the free...

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 17:55:42 2018 No.1522491 >>1522180 >lier smdh

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 18:02:14 2018 No.1522498 >>1522488 >Ffs we cant be trusted to hang photoframes now Trump is your president, so no, you can't be trusted.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 20:34:17 2018 No.1522574 >>1522498 T.globalist that wants you dead

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 20:59:57 2018 No.1522587 >>1522436 Genius level info.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:04:00 2018 No.1522590 >>1522176 The outlet is obviously meant to be oriented ground down. All the lettering is upside down the other way in OP's pic.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:04:27 2018 No.1522591 >>1522587 Some people even recommend 3 plans where one is shitty and inadequate. I am too worried they would go with that one though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:05:54 2018 No.1522592 >>1522590 Look at the pic closer

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:32:33 2018 No.1522600 >>1522375 AC in the states has a hot wire which carries the AC voltage and a neutral that goes back to the panel where it joins the ground. No polarization means no way of making distinction between hot and neutral at the plug / in the device.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:46:39 2018 No.1522647 File: 508 KB, 2160x3840, 1545572710514.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1522590 >All the lettering is upside down the other way in OP's pic. ALL of it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:53:46 2018 No.1522652 >>1522205 >metal picture frame falling down on a half way put in plug More likely some carpenter with a metal tape measuring just above the plug.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:31:32 2018 No.1522675 >>1522173 Yeah mine are all upside down too, dunno why. Gonna change it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:36:38 2018 No.1522677 >>1522375 >because it's ac it doesn't matter electrically lol enjoy your random chassis shock

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 04:00:03 2018 No.1522733 >>1522677 Really? Chassis grounded devices are grounded to mains earth. People haven't been grounding chassis to ac neutral since the days of tube radios.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 04:10:10 2018 No.1522737 Americans and their inferior outlets. Enjoy your house fire.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 08:54:47 2018 No.1522840 >>1522737 Aren't you getting a little bored with this troll attempt¿

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 15:47:51 2018 No.1523021 >no switches Why even worry about which way up it is, it's trash.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 15:52:07 2018 No.1523024 >>1522375 A reverse polarity is surely a problem when some kind of rotating machine geta involved.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 16:16:38 2018 No.1523038 >>1523024 pls go study AC a bit more and stop embarrassing yourself. if it's single phase, the motor cannot tell if the plug is in one way or the other.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 16:58:43 2018 No.1523062 obviously this is an australian electrical outlet

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 17:06:31 2018 No.1523068 >>1522173 Meh, as long as they're all consistent. If it really bothers you, take a screw gun and reverse them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 17:25:27 2018 No.1523086 >>1523068 Screw gun? Do you mean an electric drill? I've never heard it called that

Anonymous Mon Dec 24 17:28:39 2018 No.1523087

>>1523024
Only really a problem when you have some protection on line side, say a fuse or a switch that you expect to isolate the supply during overcurrent, a low impedance from neutral to ground would normally not cause an issue, reversed polarity it's a big problem, especially when the current won't trip upstream protection but annihilate wiring inside the appliance.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 18:40:36 2018 No.1523114 >>1523087 you mean it wouldnt mess with a starting capacitor for a larger motor.... like a compressor with a 5hp motor? Or even an old style ballast that had a starting cap?

Anonymous Mon Dec 24 18:46:21 2018 No.1523115
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>>1523086
There was a time when electric drills and electric drivers were different things. Scruguns and Holguns if you were Black & Decker. DeWalt still calls their drivers "Scruguns" to this day. Drivers generally have a clutch which can be adjusted so you don't overdrive or strip the fasteners while a drill wouldn't. Drivers are still around but they are different looking than your standard drill.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 18:50:06 2018 No.1523117 File: 74 KB, 1000x1000, dewalt-screw-guns-dcf620d2-4f_1000[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1523115 A modern example.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 20:10:45 2018 No.1523136 >>1522349 Leave dripping faucet for buyers inspector when selling a house, also helps.

Anonymous Mon Dec 24 20:19:22 2018 No.1523138

The only NEC or any other authority opinion I have ever seen making any actual statement, short version:
If the receptacle has "top"/up/etc marked/stamped/printed anywhere, then you must install it as marked.
(Many have "top" stamped on metal below the mounting screw.)
Unless it's marked or you have some nutty local city code, do whatever you want.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 20:33:30 2018 No.1523140 File: 44 KB, 720x848, c0620f6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1522173 My grandpa used to do them like that. It drove me crazy!

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 22:52:32 2018 No.1523179 >>1522205 Or coins falling behind a dresser or nightstand is how it was explained to me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 23:48:29 2018 No.1523195 My last house only had outlets on switches flipped. 1990s construction. "New" house still has live black rubber insulated shit so I don't worry about the outlet orientation so much.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 25 00:18:33 2018 No.1523209 >>1522176 not really it's also annoying when I have to turn the plugs so the wire goes up from the outlet

Anonymous Tue Dec 25 03:41:30 2018 No.1523288

up side down face is proper way because you are less likely to shock the piss out of yourself when grabbing a plug that is hanging out slightly. Face up is proper because our brains recognize faces where there aren't any better than any other species and it ain't right for someone to have an upside down face

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 25 16:41:49 2018 No.1523624 >>1522488 >>1522207 How many outlets are there in the world? Literally billions, even the US probably has several billion outlets. With such a huge number of outlets being used, even a 0.000000001% chance event happens every day.

Anonymous Tue Dec 25 16:52:20 2018 No.1523630

>>1523288
>you are less likely to shock the piss out of yourself when grabbing a plug that is hanging out slightly

how drunk or blind do you have to be to touch the prongs while pulling a plug

>>1523624
>happens every day.

then you should be able to find at least one link to an account of a really thin metal picture frame falling behind a plug and doing bad things. or a coin. or a coat hanger.

like I said, this is NASA level paranoia. how about a small dog running around with a table knife in its mouth and jumping up and shorting out the bottom of a plug? or a child? a child is more likely to grab mom's car keys and stick them in the bottom of a plug.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 01:35:58 2018 No.1523804 File: 103 KB, 1280x720, maxresdefault[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1523790 See, this could have been completely avoided if it had been placed ground prong up. And, you know, had a ground prong.

Anonymous Wed Dec 26 05:49:17 2018 No.1523831
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>>1523804
>>1523790
>>1523288
>>1522205
>>1522173
> burgers all arguing about which way to orient their power points and shit.
> all retarded, dropping coins and ham fisting their fingers in behind the plug.
> not using futuristic insulated pins to make the whole argument moot.
I mean come on faggots, its current year, get your shit together.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 08:52:58 2018 No.1523892 obvious bait thread is obvious

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 09:38:06 2018 No.1523911 >>1522176 Actually this make sense, since is more easy to plug the connector in with that orientation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 09:42:27 2018 No.1523913 >>1522205 I had a journeyman who thought grounds up was bullshit until he found a nail laying across the hot and neutral and burns from arcing

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 10:50:17 2018 No.1523938 >>1522197 >having outlets made in such a way that a butter knife could cause a short circuit to begin with

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 10:55:00 2018 No.1523941 >>1523790 This could have been avoided if you did like we Europeans. The prongs have insulation on them all the way to the contact points

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 11:28:20 2018 No.1523947 >>1523941 This was probably a britfag visiting Canada trying to make a point about how 'his' outlets are better. Like he was on the fucking electric code panel 60 years ago and he is in any way responsible for how great his outlet is.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 12:38:16 2018 No.1523971 >>1522652 And what about if he's measuring below, and the position ofnthe outlet is in the way like OP's pic? Hm?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 14:00:08 2018 No.1523995 >>1522180 your picture says that it IS the correct/proper way

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 14:01:26 2018 No.1523996 >>1523938 Murica

Anonymous Wed Dec 26 14:28:38 2018 No.1524008
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>>1522176
>>1522173
>>1522180
Ground as the top of the outlet usually ends up with people breaking the top of the face plate out and/or even bending the ground prong on the cord. This happens because most retards lift up as they pull the plug out of the wall. In every single office/hotel/etc I've ever been in where there's a cleaning staff and wall outlets with the grounds at the top, the face plates are all cracked and chipped right above the ground hold. The only ones that are a bit resistant to this are the metal face plates, but however the fuck is using them is so unbelievably a fucking retard that t hey pull so hard it fucks up the inside of the outlet, bends the top above the gro9und, and of course bends the plug all in one go. I'm sure you know well who would be the employees of a cleaning service and how high and IQ they would need for such a illustrious career choice. It seems it is about the same requirement for being a house wife as they end up doing the same thing. I believe the code writers know all this and are simply putting the outlets ground-up so that their lobbyists the electricians can get more work.

The old made up retarded example of some super rare occurrence where something crosses the top of the two prongs when halfway out is seriously the height of ass faggotry fear mongering. If that is such a concern then it is equally a concern that the object falling on the outlet plug will sift sideways and slide to the side connecting the ground with one of the prongs still ending up with a short.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 14:50:22 2018 No.1524018 File: 199 KB, 720x960, 1545802257773.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1523790 Same chance of this happening.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 26 15:02:38 2018 No.1524027 >>1522254 >2019 >not forking grounds Do you even electric

Anonymous Wed Dec 26 19:48:27 2018 No.1524148

>>1523115
You left out drill motors. When motorized hand drills were first invented and went into general use that is what your great grand grandfather called them. They were made of a metal housing and had no ground. If they used them and were standing in water then you would have no longer have a great grand grandfather any more.

Anonymous Thu Dec 27 00:48:22 2018 No.1524250

>>1524148
>They were made of a metal housing and had no ground.
Believe it or not, grounds on tools showed up almost before they showed up anywhere else. You were much more likely to get zapped by a kitchen appliance than a power tool. Hell, grounds on tools showed up before grounds on outlets. Old tools used to have a little ground strap on the plug so you could attach them to the screw on the outlet for grounding.

>If they used them and were standing in water then you would have no longer have a great grand grandfather anymore.
That would only be an issue if there was no ground AND there was a short to the body of the drill. In fact, since many tools are not double insulated it is still a concern, ground or not. That is why GFCI is required around areas with water. It will protect you even when there is no ground.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 27 03:38:47 2018 No.1524278 >>1524018 gfci breaker would pop instantly

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 27 23:28:53 2018 No.1524714 File: 41 KB, 570x396, HardHat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1523140 >My grandpa

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 17:39:15 2018 No.1525073 >>1522197 >I took a course A fucking GED graduate giving us safety tips. Amazing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 20:25:45 2018 No.1525197 >>1522188 /thread

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 20:40:30 2018 No.1525205 >>1523995 It is *a correct/proper way.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 23:05:01 2018 No.1525280 >>1524008 Being a housewife is harder. You need to raise kids and please your husband.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 28 23:38:03 2018 No.1525290 >>1522188 You mean SAD face? I turn mine over because I don't want sad faces looking at me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 01:54:40 2018 No.1525314 >>1522173 lol so this is what shitposting on diy looks like?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 02:43:08 2018 No.1525327 >>1525073 College graduate giving you and your wife and daughter a gigantic cock in your collective mouths. Bitch.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 03:08:17 2018 No.1525334 omg MANDELA EFFEKT!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 12:45:51 2018 No.1525602 >>1523971 >And what about if he's measuring below When the tape slips in his hand, gravity usually pulls things downward.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:45:40 2018 No.1525689 File: 16 KB, 500x500, Plug RIP.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1523831 >futuristic insulated pins Bongs have been using insulated prongs for years.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:59:07 2018 No.1525696 >>1525689 looks fun to step on barefooted

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:05:45 2018 No.1525701 >>1525696 All connectors are fun to step barefooted

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:08:05 2018 No.1525702 >>1525696 Yeah, it's worse than lego.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:11:40 2018 No.1525704 File: 3 KB, 263x191, index.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1525701 I beg to differ

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:14:13 2018 No.1525708 >>1525704 Look at that nasty hard edge right across the middle, that's going to hurt.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:19:00 2018 No.1525709 >>1525708 I just stepped on one of these to try and it didn't hurt at all

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:08:48 2018 No.1525739 >>1525709 Try it again this time not using your wooden leg.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:10:00 2018 No.1525744 >>1525739 harr harr

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:38:02 2018 No.1525765 >>1525744 Was that your parrot?

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:24:26 2018 No.1525837

>>1525696
this shitty bait again.
most uk sockets are switched, you can isolate them without unplugging.
thanks to fuses in the plugs and superior voltage, final circuits (wires in the walls) are typically protected by a 32A breaker giving a very healthy number of sockets available per circuit, in short it is very unnecessary and indeed unusual to need to unplug anything at all.
Normally the british remove outdoor footwear before entering the house so constant vacuuming is unnecessary and so the vacuum is typically put away properly in a cupboard instead of being left lying around like a slovenly tinky shithole cesspit pigsty like all you septics across the pond seem to wallow in with fucking plugs left lying around the floor everywhere to stand on fucking retard cunts.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:36:54 2018 No.1525840 >>1525765 no

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:43:39 2018 No.1525843

>>1525837
sorry to burst your bubble, but I am a fellow european. your plugs still would hurt alot if stepped on, but I have come to learn that it's less likely due to your switched outlets.

on an unrelated note, have you begun using breakers with built in ground fault protection or are they still seperated?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:04:39 2018 No.1525855 >>1522364 You won't get false confidence in some dipshit electrician that way.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:54:11 2018 No.1525902

>>1525843
>less likely
Never met anyone who has stepped on a plug it just doesn't happen
In my own house I personally use combined breakers when appropriate however most wholesalers have deals on constantly pushing split boards with two earth leak breakers and a selection of over current breakers. The cost of combined breakers and the very small perceived benefit means it's not even worth explaining to the customer the option because they won't understand and think you are trying to fuck them.
Ocassionally you meet someone who for whatever reason understands it but they always insist on it before you open your mouth to start with.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:16:14 2018 No.1525922 >>1525902 >my plug hurts less to step on than your plug is this really the last leg euros have to stand on in terms of trolling?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:17:19 2018 No.1525923 >>1525902 I see. I have seen a couple of electrician videos from UK on youtube and it appears you're only getting two phases for residential houses. is this the norm? don't you have equipment needing three phases?

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:27:17 2018 No.1525930

>>1525922
we've already established that your plugs are inferior. so now only our plugs remain and they're pretty equivalent in terms of safety and practicality. so a comparison in pain when stepped upon would be an adequate final test in order to determine which plug is victorious, don't you think?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 23:24:37 2018 No.1526020 File: 2.80 MB, 3006x5344, IMG_20181229_201907660.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] My outlet died and his brother had to rest over him

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 03:18:34 2018 No.1526086 >>1522274 it is upside down! OMG IT IS UPSIDE DOWN!!!!! DELET

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 04:29:24 2018 No.1526104 >>1522205 this is the best answer all other answers are Talmudic

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 09:22:44 2018 No.1526181 Some of the outlets in my house are upside down, some are right side up. No apparent rhyme or reason

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 10:13:51 2018 No.1526196

>>1525923
its all single phase
if you live on a farm you might have 3 phase
typical incomer is 60-100A, largest load is usually electric shower then cooker. no real need for 3 phase.

>>1525930
>they're pretty equivalent in terms of safety and practicality.
fucking doubt it.
euro plugs can't even agree a standard between france and germany, thats why 2 pin plugs are weebly wobbly pins so they can stretch to fit in different holes ffs. no fuses, no polarity, no shutters, wires poke straight out instead of down (obstruction as well as weight load acting on the pins.
euro plugs are a dogs dinner unfortunately.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 10:15:42 2018 No.1526198 >>1526181 switched outlets?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 10:18:35 2018 No.1526199 >>1523790 >>1524018 Stop throwing coins at your plugs and that wont happen

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 10:31:22 2018 No.1526203 >>1526196 Schuko plugs are solid as shit. Practically indestructible.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 10:33:40 2018 No.1526205 >>1522180 >Familyhandyman.com

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 12:26:35 2018 No.1526258

>>1524008

That level of ads faggotry actually happened to me. My then 8 yo daughter thought it was okay to place her metal necklace on top of a plug while taking a shower. It fell in and smoked the hell out of the bathroom, the outlet was cracked and burned, lucky the apartment didn't catch. Had the outlet been installed ground up, the ground fault would have tripped and that would have been the end of that.

Maybe it is super rare, but it does happen and it only takes once. I've been a firm believer in ground point up ever since (at least with ground fault circuits).

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 12:58:48 2018 No.1526284
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>>1526258
GFCI would have taken care of that no problem. It has been required by code in all bathrooms for decades. How old is this place?

An upside down outlet probably wouldn't have prevented the issue in your case. The jewelry likely would have draped over the ground and still come in contact with the hot and neutral prongs. Since the breaker didn't trip to begin with you either have a faulty breaker or it wasn't drawing enough amps to trip the breaker. Check your breaker and make sure it is not a Federal Stab-Lok breaker. Those things are a house fire waiting to happen. Hell, an apartment? It is possible some moron pulled the breaker and stuck some metal in there to keep it from tripping.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 14:40:16 2018 No.1526359 >>1526284 >GFCI would have taken care of that no problem. The necklace was between LINE and NEUTRAL. GFCI monitors LINE current that doesn't return through NEUTRAL.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 14:59:26 2018 No.1526380 >>1526196 >no real need for 3 phase Well.. Better balance in the power distribution grid. Smaller gauged wiring needed. Less power consumption when split among other phases

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 15:03:35 2018 No.1526381 File: 29 KB, 600x600, 9606802276382.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1526196 >wires poke straight out instead of down >no shutters In the outlets? There are shutters

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 15:11:55 2018 No.1526386 >>1526381 It's okay. The Brits are salty af about outlets. No one knows why. I want to be able to plug a welder in anywhere in my house, but I cant. They think we dont have fused plugs, outlets or shutters in the us either.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 15:16:47 2018 No.1526391 >>1526386 >I want to be able to plug a welder in anywhere in my house, but I cant huh?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 15:23:33 2018 No.1526397 >>1526386 Its because they suck and have nothing worth bragging about, but are too stupid to realize they still fail at outlets too.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 15:24:43 2018 No.1526398 >>1526391 you never know where the roomba might break down and it's easier to weld it there than to call a roomba wrecker.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 15:26:41 2018 No.1526399 >>1526398 What are you even talking about? What does the roomba have to do with the welding?

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 15:39:35 2018 No.1526411
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>>1526399

are you slow? if you have to weld something on the roomba, like one of the control arms snaps, it's nice if you can plug the welder in and repair it right there in the kid's bedroom without having to go through the hassle of transporting it back to the shop.

I get the feeling I'm being trolled, but I don't know why.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 15:45:02 2018 No.1526416 >>1526391 The Brits have 32 amp 240v plugs throughout their house I'm not even being a dick. I would love to have that through my house, but I dont and it's not reasonable to rewire it

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 15:47:49 2018 No.1526419

>>1526416
>The Brits have 32 amp 240v plugs throughout their house

I'm skeptical, because that defeats one of the main benefits of high voltage, being smaller and cheaper conductors. Are you telling me that Brits have 7 thousand watt devices all over their houses?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 16:11:56 2018 No.1526433 >>1526411 You had me confused. I thought you meant the automated vacuuming robot

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 16:21:44 2018 No.1526438

>>1526411
Why would you benefit from plugging the welder into one of the outlets in any given room than opposed to, let's say, a dedicated high amperage outlet in the garage or outside? You would still most likely need to use an extension cord, no? So wouldn't it be more practical to have it going from said outlets than a kid's bedroom where you'll have to leave the window a bit open for the cord?

Am I missing something here?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 17:23:19 2018 No.1526475 >>1522173 Just take them out and flip them over if it bugs you. The wiring has nothing to do with how its oriented in the box.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 17:34:29 2018 No.1526488 >>1526411 You are the troll. Welding indoors, even TIG, is messy because prep is messy. Anything not TIG in a bedroom is a fire hazard.

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 18:14:06 2018 No.1526520

>>1526203
so is depleted uranium?

>>1526380
houses are split phase to phase, we don't have pole transformers for every hose like USA, you have one big transformer feeds lots of houses, houses alternate phase to phase as you go along a street for example. people have a hard enough time grasping two way light switches but it doesn't stop jhonny englishman having a go in his castle, you think we can be trusted with 3 phase? not on your nelly!
when manufacturers start producing 3 phase lightbulbs, televisions, vacuum cleaners etc you might begin to have a point. until then its just unnecessary complication.

>>1526381
this is all plugs? ok i stand corrected. my understanding is shutters are not compulsory or typical and how could they be as no mechanism to release them from earth pin like good old bs1363

>>1526419
>>1526416
this is technically false.
bs1363 outlets are rated at 13A, there is some argument about a double socket outlet if it is capable of 13A or 2x13A, check with the manufacturer.
in the olden days a ring final circuit was ubiquitous, protected by 30A rewireable fuse two 'legs' of 2.5mm2 fed sockets in a circle starting and ending at the fuse board.
with mcbs (breakers) taking over this is now 32A, 2x2.5mm2 is still common however its not uncommon to see 4mm or even 6mm radial circuits still on 32A breaker or for smaller areas say a 20A or 16A breaker protecting a 2.5mm radial for example say a fridge or freezer on its own circuit and earth fault breaker (or not on one at all!!)
it is entirely possible in most houses, if you wated to, to install a 32A iec60309 socket onto a ring main and pull 32A HOWEVER heavy point loads are not the ideal situation for a ring final circuit and doing so would earn you a Very Hard Stare from any passing electrician who happened to peep into your window. but you COULD do it....in theory.....

in the olden days a single ring final feeding the whole house was typical, in modern times at least upstairs, downstairs & kitchen.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 18:33:23 2018 No.1526535 >>1526520 Here every household is given all three phases and all the phases are being used throughout the house. Don't you have sauna heaters, jacuzzis, electric car chargers, three phases motors in general? Are they just one phased?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 18:41:12 2018 No.1526543 >>1526520 >ring final circuit This sounds sketchy. Must be fun to discover when doing something on the circuit thinking you've isolated the feed wiring, but there's a second set

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 18:45:20 2018 No.1526547 >>1526535 pull your dead front and post a pic for curiosity sake.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 18:53:07 2018 No.1526551 >>1526547 >dead front? What?

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 18:54:59 2018 No.1526552

>>1526535
what motor do you have in a house that needs 3 phase? i don't have a car lift in the garage or run a newspaper printer in the box room. mostly everything is single phase, perhaps if you have anything other than hobby machines in a workshop/garage you would quite like a 3 phase supply, you have only to ask the electric company they will provide it for a small fee. otherwise you will need a vfd or something. saunas and jacuzzis are not particularly popular but when they pop up somehow manage on a single phase supply.

>>1526543
most people here are smart enough to 1) feed both legs from the same breaker 2) test a circuit is actually dead before working on it.
there are much more common fun things to stumble across, commonly cpc used as lighting strappers in multi position lightswitches and of course borrowed neutrals causing earth fault breaker havoc. as for rings specifically it can be a problem as a break in the circuit of course will render protection useless while the circuit shows no signs of issue until your house burns down... or the old favourite of chaining spurs without protection.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 18:55:18 2018 No.1526553 >>1526551 all your covers to your panel

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 19:10:06 2018 No.1526566

>>1526520
>>1526535
American single family homes are nottypically fed from different phases.

Not quietly every house gets it's own transformer. They are at similar placings to phone or cable terminals. Ideally they place one transformer for 4 or 8 houses.

The transformer gives 2 120v 180 degrees out of phase, but this is coming from a single high voltage phase. The third wire you get from the power company is earth neutral, its center tapped to the transformer, grounded at the pole and at your house

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 19:32:11 2018 No.1526579 File: 46 KB, 512x512, 512.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1526552 >small fee

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 19:33:58 2018 No.1526581 >>1526553 >all your covers to your panel ...are belong to me

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 19:44:44 2018 No.1526587
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>>1526547
Not mine, but a customer's I've been working in.
There's a combination of new and old

>>1526552
well. generally things that draw alot of power are three phased here. sauna heaters, car chargers, water pumps. if they were just one phased then there's a risk of an unbalanced power consumption among the three phases and the main breaker might trip

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 20:15:22 2018 No.1526609 >>1526587 looks messy and access looks cramped.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 20:22:34 2018 No.1526615 >>1526609 that's how it gets after replacing stuff, adding stuff through the years. it's a small box so no wonder it's cramped

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 20:34:20 2018 No.1526618 File: 83 KB, 717x960, so_much_easier.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1526615 looks like poor planning and engineering to me, much like your city layouts... you should get a nice easy to access american electrical panel instead.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 20:45:30 2018 No.1526625 >>1526609 >>1526618 I am horrified anytime I see a euro electric box. They look so cheap and flimsy and they are always maxed out

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 20:45:40 2018 No.1526627

>>1526618
>poor planning
this is an very old box and back then there wasn't that much that required electricity. how can you plan on something that you couldn't know of would come?

>bundling all wires together
great way of trapping heat and essentially decreasing the wires' life expectancy

what I don't like about your way of doing the panels is that you're 'stuck' in how you put the fuses. in the european way you can move fuses more freely. is a row completely full? add a new one (if there's space) and feed it from wherever with proper gauged wiring.
where and how do you put non-fuse items? like digital time switches, switches, sub-meters, contactors, relays? you can't, can you?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 20:56:47 2018 No.1526632 File: 3.96 MB, 3100x3120, 2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1526625 this one actually has some space for expansion it's tilted out for easier access in the back >>1526618 why isn't the ground bar at the top (and bottom)?

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 21:08:36 2018 No.1526636
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>>1526627
>like digital time switches, switches, sub-meters, contactors, relays?

look at all the room we have, do you really think we cant find a spot to put a relay or a metering device? We typically dont put relays or time clocks in a distribution panel and instead opt to set them in a box right next to the panel, makes it nice for later if you want to change something around so you dont have to shut the entire panel down to work on it safely... not that 90% of the guys I work with would.

As for adding more breakers in the off chance we run out, we could just add a small sub-panel if we really needed next to it or remotely the same as you guys would.. though in homes thats pretty rare.

I dont do residential stuff but here are a few panels I did about 5 years ago and the blue box is just a programmable lighting contactor panel.

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 21:14:48 2018 No.1526640

>>1526632
>why isn't the ground bar at the top (and bottom)?

The panels are never even tested to be rated for ground faults so until they start testing for that and it gets a UL listing I am forced to bond the can with a ground bar that is directly connected to a ground wire... granted the can would work just fine but eaton, square D ect never bother to test for any of that.

your pic looks like most of our LV controls panels.

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 21:28:18 2018 No.1526650

>>1526636
>seperate box
so you rather have x amount of cables and wires going back and forth?

>look at all the room we have
looking at >>1526618 it's so much open space you can't use for other than wires, but you don't need all that space (telling from the picture). it's making the panels larger than it has to be. customers here would refuse to have them, I'm certain. there are probably smaller ones, but still. the space effiency isn't great

it's great for us electricians, but for the customers, not so much

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 21:38:01 2018 No.1526660
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>>1526650
>looking at >>1526618 (You) it's so much open space you can't use for other than wires, but you don't need all that space (telling from the picture). it's making the panels larger than it has to be. customers here would refuse to have them, I'm certain. there are probably smaller ones, but still. the space effiency isn't great

you see I post a commercial panel, the resi ones can be much smaller, the commercial side of things wants you to be able to put 200a breakers (like 10mm+ wire size) in so they plan enough space to allow for wire bending radius.

>so you rather have x amount of cables and wires going back and forth

essentially yes, I feel its nice and clean, only take the line and loads of the circuits I want over there, no need to bring the neutrals, just a single ground and which ever circuit I want to power it up... but as you can see I took the circuit in the side, switched it and ran it out the tops and bottoms of the LCP.

Once again I never touch residential type stuff.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 21:42:39 2018 No.1526663 >>1526660 >Once again I never touch residential type stuff. and I am seldom doing commercial stuff so yeah, two different 'worlds'

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 21:50:09 2018 No.1526671 >>1522173 short story shorter, that orientation makes it harder to bend prongs and makes it so wires to hang photos don't ground out on the 2 prongs. Have a nice day.

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 21:53:21 2018 No.1526675
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>>1526663
resi doesnt pay very well over here in the states

you wouldnt believe how many pipes are coming into the bottom of the one on the right, the floor was swiss cheese by the time I was done with it.. 2nd floor, 1000amp distribution, same 4-4" from this >>1526660 picture feeding it and it in turn feeds the 2 panels in this >>1526636 pic with 2.5" and another 1.5" pipe for elevator too.

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 22:15:57 2018 No.1526681
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>>1526675
what kind of building is this? a supermarket? do you only use conduits?
here we aren't using conduits at all, only cable ladders. it's less time comsuming, I believe. Just put up these ladders and you're all set. pull the cables and strip it onto the ladders

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 22:37:14 2018 No.1526695

>>1526681
it's a strip mall with most of what I showed in the bank side.
I use conduit for anything of decent size wire, or if I am taking multiple circuits to a good drop off point and then flex out from there with MC.

Is that a raised floor you got there? I'm rarely luck enough to not have to do everything off a ladder.

Also bed time for me so I can get up early and hit the gym. G'night or umm morning nap for you probably.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 22:43:04 2018 No.1526700 It is so that if something conductive is dropped on the plug, it doesn't short

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 31 01:45:23 2018 No.1526771 Lol.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 31 04:37:05 2018 No.1526802 File: 257 KB, 956x574, 1526007252480.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1525837 top pasta fellow bong, have a (You)

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 31 15:39:11 2018 No.1527123 >>1526681 That is a terrible job. No respect for spacing. Enjoy your derating.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 31 16:44:50 2018 No.1527171 >>1522737 Can confirm. My house catches fire monthly due to terrible American wiring practices.

Anonymous Mon Dec 31 17:00:59 2018 No.1527179

>>1526579
if you do all the manual labour, digging out trench, installing duct, cutting holes and you are conveniently placed near a pole or station for connection the actual cost can be surprisingly economical. in comparison of course to the cost (probably) of the industrial scale equipment you would probably be trying to install and run.

>>1526587
actually residential substations here are assumed to be more or less phase balanced because of the large number of houses they can feed and the diversity so its just assumed that the phases will be more or less balanced.
crazy isn't it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 31 18:03:11 2018 No.1527210 >>1522733 and 99 percent of those plugs weren't polarized. they just didn't give a shit if the radio was hot. don't touch the chassis with your dick while you deepthroat a water spigot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 31 18:34:24 2018 No.1527231 >>1526258 >>1524278 >gfci breaker Non-existent in most houses, unless they are new. They also don't work all the time. That error margin just happens to be about the same as the error margin of someone doing this retarded thing with their plug.

Anonymous Mon Dec 31 18:56:01 2018 No.1527248

>>1527231
they are getting more popular.. the only residential job I have done had a couple of apartments/condos above a few commercial tenants, and we had 5-6 arc/gfci combo breakers per unit. A couple for the kitchen, and baths and a few other places.

Granted because of the nature of the building even the residential spaces were circuited by an engineer instead of us just doing it... oh and I had to pipe half of it through framing.

Anonymous Mon Dec 31 20:42:13 2018 No.1527319

>>1526695
>Is that a raised floor you got there?
I don't know. it's an image I found using google.
they're normally above the dropped ceiling, but I've been places where they're in the raised floor. they're also placed vertically and horizontally on the walls where the looks isn't important (or where there aren't other options)

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 31 21:47:55 2018 No.1527363 File: 8 KB, 176x176, 1465539552152.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1527210 That ain't a water spigot I'm deepthroating, boy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 1 05:23:17 2019 No.1527519 >>1522677 1930's are long gone chassis nowadays are grounded to earth, gramps

Anonymous Tue Jan 1 11:10:39 2019 No.1527614

>>1522205
>>1522250
>>1522274
>>1522349
>>1522647

OK so you're saying because someone's cheap metal picture frame they got at the local dollar store fell down and landed on a plug dislodging the same and started a spark that caused a fire someplace this is why you put plugs in upside down. (let me guess....some j-w lawyer someplace was awarded a huge cash settlement from the above scenario so now we all have to put wall outlets in upside-down.)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 1 11:18:22 2019 No.1527621 File: 674 KB, 630x472, Fuse-box-replacement-Kalamazoo.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1527519 Every now and then we go into an old house here in the US that still has THESE things in service....

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 1 12:19:01 2019 No.1527655 >>1525689 Every plug except burger has insulated prongs. Is there anything more pathetic than brits bragging about their silly plug?

Anonymous Tue Jan 1 12:26:25 2019 No.1527661

>>1526520
>when manufacturers start producing 3 phase lightbulbs, televisions, vacuum cleaners etc you might begin to have a point. until then its just unnecessary complication.
But there already are three phase electric stoves, dryers, water heaters and so on

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 1 12:51:34 2019 No.1527684 >>1527661 >But there already are three phase electric stoves, dryers, water heaters and so on and they are called commercial grade and cost way more and provide more than any typical homeowner would need.

Anonymous Tue Jan 1 15:43:36 2019 No.1527812

>>1527684
Every electric stove sold in Europe runs on two or three phases (two phase, which can also run on one phase are more common, but they still require 3 phases, as there are no two phase 400 V systems), home grade three phase heaters and dryers are common too.

Anonymous Tue Jan 1 15:48:40 2019 No.1527819

>>1526520
Are three phase systems really that rare and that big of a deal? In Poland there are quite common, there are hardly any one phase transmission lines and many homes are powered off three phases, with circuits split between the phases and with three phase sockets for bigger appliances.
Actually, in my neighborhood most homes have three phases

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 1 16:09:54 2019 No.1527838 >>1527812 >Every electric stove sold in Europe runs on two or three phases you mean phase + neutral?

Anonymous Tue Jan 1 16:28:46 2019 No.1527862
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>>1527812
Our stoves are either 110 (hot and neutral) but gas fed, or single phase 220V(2 hots and sometimes a neutral for a lcd display)
Dryers are also single phase 220v with a neutral sometimes for lcd.

>>1527819
in NA 3 phase is in almost every commercial building, either 120/208 or 277/480 is the common thing but only up to 6000amp services typically. After that for like stadiums and what not they will bring the utility straight into the building at 14400v and sometimes in multiple locations. For instance Coors field has 4 small warehouse sized electric rooms each bringing in 14400v and a substation down the street just for them. I have no idea how many amps they are bringing in.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 1 16:40:39 2019 No.1527868 >>1522176 >>1522197 That's what how my electrician installs them. It's something to do about safety. You don't need to switch them all around but it's safer.

Anonymous Tue Jan 1 16:41:29 2019 No.1527869
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>>1527819
When your entire country is steamrolled and rebuilt in the 1950s, which was after most electrical systems solidified and people learned what was best, hey, you can build nice things!

The USA has not had that opportunity. We basically invented the stuff and there was no national plan for rolling it out. Some systems were AC, some were DC. Some AC systems were 25 Hz, others were 50, others were 60. Single phase and three phase too. Every regional operator had their own power plant or dam, designed by their own engineers, who all had different ideas about what was best. Remember, many early systems in the USA were for lighting only or industrial machines only. Sometimes a company would build their own plant just to power their own facility and only later expand to the surrounding area. Hell, we didn't even unify our AC systems to 60 Hz until after WWII. Parts of New York still had DC available until 2007, which was a 125 year old system first installed by Edison himself. There is a lot of existing infrastructure and no one wants to spend the money on replacing large parts of it. Same reason why electric/hydrogen vehicle infrastructure and fiber optic hasn't sprung up overnight.

I leave near an area that was wiped out by a large fire in 2018. One of the nice things about that is the local telco is running fiber the whole way. No more copper lines at the street level. When you have to rebuild everything anyway it makes it a lot easier.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 1 16:46:51 2019 No.1527875 >>1527869 so what you are saying is that europe should be thankful we had to carpet bomb the entire continent pushing germany back to their hole. Europe should be kissing our asses.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 1 16:47:49 2019 No.1527876 >>1527868 >US outlets are designed in such a way that it could be unsafe if installed with the wrong orientation wow

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 1 16:50:05 2019 No.1527878 >>1527875 >US education

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 1 16:53:54 2019 No.1527882 >>1527869 I hope we switch to a 3-phase system if we ever get a new grid.

Anonymous Tue Jan 1 17:05:09 2019 No.1527889

>>1527878
you think now that we are more or less done carpet bombing the middle east they will build up like europe got a chance to do?

Also since europe had most of their cities leveled why didnt they fix their shitty city layout? Literally no rhyme or reason for why a road goes anywhere other than its been there for 1000 years so put it in the exact same place.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 1 17:14:51 2019 No.1527900 File: 21 KB, 460x306, plug4313-460x306.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1522274 Trash socket, not polarised Grounded plug can be plugged into an ungrounded socket. Now THIS is a socket

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 1 17:20:56 2019 No.1527907 >>1527889 >treating all of europe as one got any concrete examples?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 1 18:10:47 2019 No.1527934 >>1527907 >Treating all of the United States as one Heres a (you).

Anonymous Tue Jan 1 18:59:39 2019 No.1527971

>>1527819
>Are three phase systems really that rare and that big of a deal?
three phase is everywhere but you don't get three phase in a dwelling house because its unecessary.
for example two places i used to live 1) residential cul-de-sac of four houses, on one occasion 3 of the 4 houses lost power, the way they were supplied just happened to be 3 of the 4 houses (and others) were supplied from one phase and the 4th house from a different phase. its just pot luck depending where the cables are buried that they tap into for least amount of effort. another example i stayed in an old (50's) tenement block which had a 3 phase cutout in the stair (stair lighting was protected by only the 100A cutout fuse and no isolator other than adjusting the mechanical timeswitch would (single pole) isolate the stair lights!!) while flats (apartments) on the stair were fed in alternate phase sequence as you went up, one night during a particular heavy rainstorm the pavement outside exploded and my flat was one of the unlucky few to lose power. of course to fix the problem (poor sods in hurricane conditions at about 2am) the whole street had to be isolated.
incidentally i had submitted complaints that passing busses and lorries caused my lights to flicker; i was told it must have been my wiring at fault. after the incident i called again to gloat but they had no record of my previous calls OR the incident itself! strange.

anyway, commercial premises may or may not have 3 phase supply, depends on the buisness i suppose, most new larger buildings have the supply laid just in case but don't have to use it, single phase metering is cost effective if practical, and with new low energy lighting its becoming more and more practical.

farms are typically on 3phase because of the expectation of large machinery, welders and such. incidentally most network operators have a clause requiring you inform them of large inductive loads like motors or welders so they can prepare for phase imbalance

Anonymous Tue Jan 1 19:03:39 2019 No.1527977

>>1527819
>>1527971
got away from the point a little there sorry.
3 phase transmission is very common, you rarely see single phase transmission lines on poles unless you are out in the countryside a house by itself will have a transformer on a pole of a 3 phase transmission line and then single phase run out to the house, but in a built up area the cable are all underground, high voltage to substation cabinets then low voltage out to houses, all underground.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 1 19:25:35 2019 No.1527999 >>1522197 can confirm inspectors have written it up as a suggestion to flip them all but not something that fails

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 07:13:21 2019 No.1528308 >>1527838 I mean L1+L2 400 V, not one phase, line+neutral 230 V

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 11:38:38 2019 No.1528469 >>1527934 When did I do that?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 11:42:27 2019 No.1528473 >>1528308 We use phase + neutral 230V and phase + phase 230V for (all) appliances over here. Ovens included

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 12:24:29 2019 No.1528494 >>1527999 But all the electrons are gonna fall out

Anonymous Wed Jan 2 13:42:15 2019 No.1528539
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This is US residential power service, all single phase (though sometimes improperly referred to as 2-phase) at the pole. 99% of any home is wired 110~120v. Certain appliances (water heater, dryer, oven, well pump), if fully electric, will be wired to 220~240v. Some people have a 220 outlet in their garage or shop for say a press drill or electric car, but they're (as of now) rather atypical.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 15:20:40 2019 No.1528627 >>1522274 you must be german. everyone in europe but germans has the holes vertically aligned.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 16:06:14 2019 No.1528661 File: 143 KB, 1280x720, maxresdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1528627 here in norway they're horizontally aligned. for open installations, however, they're vertically aligned when mounted at the skirting or top moulding.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 16:11:03 2019 No.1528662 >>1528661 >concrete floor >no shoe molding >no caulk where base meets wall >electric shit not inside the wall >holes punched in wall >some sort of vertical line or crack on the wall >dark all day in winter why even live

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 16:24:34 2019 No.1528668 >>1528662 Nice, european women?

Anonymous Wed Jan 2 16:31:46 2019 No.1528674

>>1528662
>>concrete floor
don't assume, could be lino pattern?

>>1528662
>>no shoe molding
>>no caulk where base meets wall
>>holes punched in wall
>>some sort of vertical line or crack on the wall
clearly isn't someone's fucking front room who gives a shit.
>>crack
yeah thats it, a perfectly vertical crack, couldn't just be the join in the wall board not been skimmed or papered or taped or anything because its function over form clearly.

>>electric shit
not to my taste, ideally the box would be sunk too but to each his own, there is a time and a place.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 16:41:35 2019 No.1528682 File: 21 KB, 1068x302, burger houses are crap.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1528674 gonna copy your post and save it for all those 'muh superior yuropean construction' threads. Thanks.

Anonymous Wed Jan 2 16:58:53 2019 No.1528691
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>>1528662
>>1528674
I got the image off of an educational video for students. it's clearly shot in a school

>electric shit not inside the wall
that's how it's done here when the walls are already up. what do you expect? tear the walls down?
this practise is only done in norway and sweden (denmark? finland?) that I know of

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 16:59:55 2019 No.1528693 >>1528691 forgot the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr4f_2gq8cc

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 17:00:57 2019 No.1528694 >>1528627 Netherlands here. I have both vertical and horizontal all around the house. Every new installation I've seen here has been horizontal.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 10:35:33 2019 No.1529098 >>1522173 that's the correct orientation

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 10:36:48 2019 No.1529100 >>1527900 the only correct choice

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 21:56:44 2019 No.1529535 >>1526386 >I want to be able to plug a welder in anywhere in my house, but I cant. I built my house. I have 220v/50a access in all rooms, including the bathrooms and walk in closest. Because, you never know when you may need 220v/50a, god damn it!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 22:59:18 2019 No.1529563 >>1529535 Mojo Nixon, and his wife, would agree with you. >Come in here and put 220 on the money, honey!!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 00:51:55 2019 No.1529627 >>1527621 UKfags still wire the entire house on one big ring

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 01:43:19 2019 No.1529635 >>1525704 yeah but then you go to look for one of the "forza" outlets and cant find one because italy has 2 plugs which are largely the same barring slight differences in pitch

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 02:00:12 2019 No.1529640 >>1527907 Dresden is still shit to navigate

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 02:01:08 2019 No.1529641 >>1526552 >what motor do you have in a house that needs 3 phase pool pump

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 14:50:35 2019 No.1529945 >>1528473 >phase + phase 230V You mean 400V?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 15:08:29 2019 No.1529963 >>1529627 Not entirely true, it's usually one ring per floor but some budget houses might have one ring for the whole house.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 15:46:32 2019 No.1529996 >>1529945 No (but we got that as well)

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 15:51:07 2019 No.1529997 >>1529996 I'm just wondering how you can have "phase to neutral" be the same as "phase to phase".

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 15:58:05 2019 No.1530002 >>1522197 I'm a contractor and never had an inspector ever tell me to put them upside down

Anonymous Fri Jan 4 16:46:19 2019 No.1530041

>>1522173
grounding blade is on top. It's longer and therefore more likely to help hold a device in place. if something isn't plugged in all the way and one of the blades is exposed you're more likely to drop something so having the ground on top will help prevent the hot and neutral from bridging thru whatever was dropped onto the blades.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 16:56:29 2019 No.1530054 >>1529997 No, different electric systems

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 16:58:03 2019 No.1530058 >>1530054 Ah, that makes sense.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 17:23:14 2019 No.1530087 >>1529535 >I have 220v/50a access in all rooms so do all houses in developed countries

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 17:26:40 2019 No.1530090 >>1529635 no. it fits in normal european sockets (not counting UK)

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 17:28:25 2019 No.1530092 >>1529640 I can't say for certain, but my guess is it's because of all the historical buildings.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 17:44:04 2019 No.1530100 >>1530041 >maybe doing it this way will prevent some extremely unlikely malfunction You people are worse than flat earthers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 17:56:21 2019 No.1530105 >>1530100 I'll do one better >>1530041 Not a ground. It's a bond. Ground is neutral in a residential application. Even in 3 phase 120/208. Prove me wrong.

Anonymous Fri Jan 4 18:42:14 2019 No.1530126

>>1530105
You fucking nerd.
The ground conductor is tied to neutral at the service entrance to a residence. It is not used as the "neutral" current return path, neutral is.
The 3rd pin in electrical sockets is ground. NEMA and IEC call it ground.

>>1530087
t. UK fag who thinks ring main is used world wide
bet your bedroom doesn't actually use 50A either, it's probably 20A or 30A. go check.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 20:33:38 2019 No.1530194 >>1530105 See >>1528539

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 21:43:54 2019 No.1530246 File: 1.50 MB, 300x214, 40310B36-CCBA-460E-8ADD-4D5F14CBA86C.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1529535 In the US, the DEA might like to know about that...

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 23:12:14 2019 No.1530297 >>1530105 >the washing machine will begin shocking you because you just tied the neutral and the ground together, it's the same thing really you can be the ground path if you stick a knife in the socket, go try it

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 23:17:53 2019 No.1530300 >>1530100 it's objectively better and you have no argument

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 23:25:55 2019 No.1530305 >>1522173 If you drop something metal hypotheticaly on the outlet it will hit the ground instead of -,+ so really it's the better way

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 5 02:12:51 2019 No.1530348 >>1530092 Even the areas that were firebombed to oblivion are a mess

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 5 02:13:55 2019 No.1530350 >>1530090 Yeah, but in old hotels in the Alps, they have loads of light plugs and a very small handful of "forza" plugs. Going to a physics conference up there my poorlaptop died several times because it was hard to find a charger outside my room

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 5 03:09:07 2019 No.1530365 >>1530087 UK is not all of the developed countries. In developed countries circuits are protected by a 16 A or so fuse, save for some circuits in kitchens or laundry rooms

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 5 08:50:14 2019 No.1530459 >>1530126 >>1530365 I'm not in the UK, though. What fuse sizes do the UK use then?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 5 08:51:44 2019 No.1530460 File: 638 KB, 540x540, qf2C8PaUmKuDPeR5.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1522173

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 5 09:01:39 2019 No.1530465 >>1530459 UK ring main, 32A circuit breaker, this is to protect the wiring in the wall (we don't use fuses in consumer units any more). Every plug has a device dependant fuse rating, this is to protect the device and humans using said device.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 5 10:16:46 2019 No.1530530 >>1530465 This is done today? A single fuse for all outlets with a small fuse for each electrical device that's in their plug?

Anonymous Sat Jan 5 13:07:34 2019 No.1530655

>>1530126
>>1530194
Sure sure and in industrial it's what? With and without an ngr? How bout completely ungrounded 3 phase systems?

Or how bout a power amp xformer? Do you take your x0, tie it to chassis ground and suck on ground loops and noise like the faggots you are? How bout 48 VDC systems? It's the positive and it's not called "ground" but it's the same fucking thing. On a car it's the negative post. How bout a fucking airplane? Now it'll get real ironic. Iec/nema/nfpa/CEC are confusing faggots that came from airports, not reality. This very confusion cause several manufacturers of xlr mics to come pre soldered between gnd and one side of the differential input for YEARS causing tons of stupid shit as well as these shitty ambiguous arguments and bad grounding practices.

The only thing that should ever be to "ground" is the chassis via a bond. Just because you referenced to it doesn't mean the "ground" pin/wire/dildo has any operational use.

And as for the pin being up, down, centered, or in your ass, also means nothing.

>>1530297
Wtf r u talking about?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 5 13:15:29 2019 No.1530666 >>1530655 >Wtf r u talking about? clearly you don't understand which is why you're a retard for using neutral as a ground and don't understand the dangers with it and an unbalanced load

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 5 13:18:54 2019 No.1530669 >>1530666 I didn't say any of that dumass. I'm talking about the ambiguity of the term, not bond as neutral. Learn2read fuckwad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 5 14:58:25 2019 No.1530736 >>1530530 No, each ring main has a 32A circuit breaker, there is usually one ring per floor but if you're paying the contractor you could have one ring per room if you wanted.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 5 15:38:49 2019 No.1530763 >>1522173 >>1522176 >>1522180 We only put receptacles in like that when they're controlled by a switch. It's a low-key way to annotate which receptacles are switched, vs the others that are always hot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 5 15:53:11 2019 No.1530773 >>1530087 >>1530459 So what if you're not in the UK, forget it, you're still full of shit to say all houses "in developed countries" have 220v/50a in all rooms. You're just waving your dick around, you don't have 50A in all your rooms.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 5 15:55:30 2019 No.1530776 >>1530655 K got it. All the standards agencies should drop their terminology because some asshole on the internet is concerned about ambiguity.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 5 16:45:11 2019 No.1530811 >>1530773 Why would you even need 50A in a single room? 50A should be enough for the whole house. 50A is the usual size for main breaker here

Anonymous Sat Jan 5 18:10:11 2019 No.1530860
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>>1530811
>50A is the usual size for main breaker here
This doesn't mention the 30-50A breaker for the water heater or the one for the air-conditioner.
Modern main here is at least 100A and usually 200A or larger.
-burgerland-

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 5 18:42:31 2019 No.1530897 >>1530860 6900 - 11500W water heater? How? They are 2000W here

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 5 19:59:54 2019 No.1530984 >>1530897 >How? 30A service for home water heater 50A for small commercial (restaurant, etc.)

Anonymous Sat Jan 5 20:06:54 2019 No.1530990

>>1530465
>Every plug has a device dependant fuse rating, this is to protect the device and humans using said device.
this is technically not correct, the fuse is only to protect the cable between socket and appliance. come at me.

>>1530860
>This doesn't mention the 30-50A breaker for the water heater
>electrically heated water
uk here, we have gas to heat water its much cheaper and much faster too. and very unusual to find an air conditioner, certainly unusual to find one that uses 50A ffs lol.

burger land needs 200A per leg of split phase because the voltage is so puny and you use electricity wrong, like for heating water lol.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 5 20:12:17 2019 No.1530998 >>1530984 how much hot water do you use over there that you got to have so high-wattage ones?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 5 20:16:49 2019 No.1531004 >>1530990 >>electrically heated water tea kettle...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 5 20:22:41 2019 No.1531010 Some nerdz think it's better ground up so a falling coin or paperclip doesn't cause a short In truth it doesn't matter

Anonymous Sat Jan 5 20:23:16 2019 No.1531012

>>1530776
Try doing this for a living pal. I work with people who write these standards. It's a long running joke. They don't even work in industry. It's all airport guys. Yet when techs read it, its just like this board. Confused. Just like your reading comprehension.

>hurr durrr don't listen to the asshole on the Internet bitching about ambiguity when it comes to safety and electrical standards. Clarity for such things are irrelevant for pros and amateurs alike.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 02:13:35 2019 No.1531180 >>1531004 microwave

Beppocuck Sun Jan 6 14:25:51 2019 No.1531471

>>1531012
A bond is when you connect one thing to another. You can add the adjective ground so you have a ground bond. Then you know its green or bare metal.

PGE is primary ground electrode. Thats bonded to MGN main ground neutral at the demarc. The power company gives you MGN as shown in the earlier post.

From the demarc on, everywhere in your house, you have neutral and ground separate, unless you got some old fuxked up American 6 tube amp or something that someone was stupid enough to put a grounded plug on without making the appropriate mods to

Anonymous Sun Jan 6 14:34:18 2019 No.1531479

>>1531471
>A bond is when you connect one thing to another. You can add the adjective ground so you have a ground bond. Then you know its green or bare metal.
Implying making things equipotential does not mean its to earth reference.
>PGE is primary ground electrode. Thats bonded to MGN main ground neutral at the demarc. The power company gives you MGN as shown in the earlier post.
Implying this is strictly a residential conversation and not electrical in general
>From the demarc on, everywhere in your house, you have neutral and ground separate, unless you got some old fuxked up American 6 tube amp or something that someone was stupid enough to put a grounded plug on without making the appropriate mods to
Implying ground and neutral are used the same way in a tube amp with operational success.

Anonymous Sun Jan 6 14:41:19 2019 No.1531485

>>1531479
No you fucking retard, I called out the tube amp because the chassis is bonded to neutral. If some retard adds a 3 prong cord and bonds the chassis to it, that's bad because now your entire house is a ground loop.

Bonding is fucking connecting two things together. A bond is that connection, or the wire between those points

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 15:25:25 2019 No.1531503 >>1531471 >>1531485 Sure but the way it's described is ambiguous. When the fuck do you bond but not earth? What if it's a non grounded 3 phase system? Signal ground != safety ground tripfag. That's why I hate the standards.

>>	Beppolubdubdub Sun Jan 6 15:35:17 2019 No.1531507 >>1531503 If the differences in terms are distinctions without meaning for you, then just realize it doesnt matter for what you do. If your shit needs it, then you will know the difference between the symbols and terms.

Anonymous Sun Jan 6 15:43:06 2019 No.1531510

>>1531507
There's no clear distinction in the code for most situations. This is why I fire my electricians for tying a genset trailer to a building but not breaking the chassis bond. It's that or get fined by inspections or better have huge fault current. And they'll argue its required because of the bland code description and multiple interpretations even when myself and the inspector draw it out and show them its wrong as well as fucking dangerous. I had to change the site policy over it and made it a fireable offence cause the union started arguing. Wouldn't of happened if it was clear.

>but but it's not bonded it has to be bonded and grounded I grounded it's to code see?

Meanwhile the feeder is melting and the genset is at 100% load.

>>	Beppolubdubdub Sun Jan 6 16:04:24 2019 No.1531525 >>1531510 Is the gender powering the building? They are bonding the chassis to the building instead of to the MGN of the genset?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 16:13:56 2019 No.1531531 >>1530990 Okay, """""technically""""" correct, but it has the circumhappistance of also reducing the max current to less than 32A in the event of a fault, which is safer for people using the device.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 16:15:08 2019 No.1531533 >>1530860 >Modern main here is at least 100A Same in Bongistan, at a higher standard voltage.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 16:17:38 2019 No.1531537 >>1531004 >tea kettle Literally not a thing outside of Burgerland.

Beppolubdubdub Sun Jan 6 16:19:50 2019 No.1531539

>>1530990
Us doesnt have gas plumbed to rural houses, and it might not even be available period. You almost certainly paid for and got power though. Some rural houses pay for and get on site propane storage so they can use gas appliances but that's often more expensive than power, varies on local rates. Theres no doubt we prefer gas as well. In the 70s and 50s both electric for heat and cooking was a fashion meme

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 17:13:41 2019 No.1531575 Confirming that this is the correct way. The reason is that if a plug is partially out and something fell on it, it going to hit ground. This actually happened to a guy I know, unsecured metal faceplate slipped in and dead shorted.

Anonymous Sun Jan 6 17:27:10 2019 No.1531581

>>1531525
3 phase 4 wire feed to building via xfer switch. 50kva. Feeder brings in building ground to genset. Planned 48hr outage but has critical services so genset required.

Gensets sit on rubber pucks and has a single bonding ribbon between the trailer and the genset. When using the building ground which is required you isolate the genset from the trailer. This avoids having two grounds, one through the tires, one from the building ground grid. There's a sticker that says to do this in this situation typically on the inside cover. The building normally enjoys about an Mva of service but when we dick with the 15kv services centers we have to backup the critical building services. Mostly circ pumps for freezing and it infrastructure.

I had the whole fucking union tell me disconnecting that bond was against code because of how the code is written even when recommended by manufacturer. It wasn't until the inspector came in that they started listening, because I can only fire them as an ee which results in arbitration. He can pull their license and fine them.

The code is written badly and the spirit of the code is not expressed well because it had to be written for clueless schmucks. I could of bought 3 Gensets for the man-hours I lost on that job.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 17:32:27 2019 No.1531585 >>1524250 Lots of power hand tools are double insulated and do not require a ground plug.

>>	Beppolubdubdub Sun Jan 6 18:17:30 2019 No.1531603 >>1531581 Yeah, that's some stupid techs to not follow yours or the manufacturer direction.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 23:57:11 2019 No.1531809 File: 44 KB, 590x437, sydney opera house.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1531539 What is propane and propane accessories.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 07:37:18 2019 No.1531940 >>1531581 What if the trailer becomes energized through a faulty cable? Doesn't the trailer and building get the same potential building and trailer is bonded? What and how can go wrong?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 07:44:39 2019 No.1531942 File: 109 KB, 577x1024, rbAo0Vc.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1531940 you clearly don't actually work with generators

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 10:15:51 2019 No.1532021 >>1531942 You are correct, sir. I just want to know about the issue

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 14:06:58 2019 No.1532151 >>1531809 that pic is amazing

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 15:10:56 2019 No.1532194

>>1530811
>>Why would you even need 50A in a single room?
>he doesn't want to be able to weld in every room of his house
explain yourself
No, seriously, that's the answer. A workshop with machinery is a single room that'll easily need more than 50A if you're running a welder, compressor, machinery, and electric heater.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 15:43:09 2019 No.1532216 >>1531940 Then you have a ground loop. Read the code. This guy >>1530776 obviously thinks it's clear enough to understand.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 16:15:23 2019 No.1532229 >>1532216 You're putting words in my mouth and trying to make me defend a position I don't hold. Not going to fall for your snarky trolling. Yes I called you an asshole and I apologize for that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 16:27:15 2019 No.1532235 >>1532229 I guess we're even. Good chat.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 20:18:42 2019 No.1532382 >>1532229 >>1532235 you are both assholes, go fuck yourselves

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 21:03:33 2019 No.1532407 >>1532382 no U nigger

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 11:47:26 2019 No.1532765 >>1532194 I was talking about 'normal' homes

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 16:31:36 2019 No.1532888 >>1532382 Suck it, you illiterate fuck tard. People die cause of attitudes like yours.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 10 11:36:32 2019 No.1534064 >>1526284 good luck finding a "pull tab" from a can. nostalgia....

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 10 11:40:56 2019 No.1534065 File: 336 KB, 1600x1200, Euro-outlets.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1526618 electrical porn.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 10 19:33:02 2019 No.1534439 >>1532888 I hope you are one of them >>1532407 die in a fire slowly please

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 11 22:09:56 2019 No.1535136 Neutral has no current, same as ground, relative to your finger in the socket

Anonymous Sat Jan 12 02:10:38 2019 No.1535266

>>1535136
Neutral most certainly does carry current: it is the return flow. Neutral is supposed to have zero _voltage_ against ground. Do not get these mixed up.

Ground is not supposed to carry current, except as an emergency (as in temporary) failsafe. Nonchalant use of ground as a neutral or grounding to neutral can be dangerous as an insufficient gauge or poor connection can render an electrical charge to the chassis of appliances or devices on the same circuit. An example (speaking from experience), it can be really annoying getting buzzed by the cover plate screws every time you carelessly hit a certain switch.

Anonymous Sat Jan 12 13:11:26 2019 No.1535467

>>1535266
Neutral carries no current when you stick your finger in the socket because there is no voltage differential between your body and neutral / the ground. Yes it is a return path when there is a completed circuit involving something with a voltage difference. But that's not what anyone is talking about

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 12 13:12:36 2019 No.1535468 >>1534065 You can buy u.s. outlets with shutters too what is the faggotry

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 14 07:21:40 2019 No.1536721 I heard they were the smiley way for to polarize or something?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 14 10:03:56 2019 No.1536774 File: 315 KB, 1276x1000, acdc.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 14 13:35:23 2019 No.1536839 >>1522180 flat-head screw not sitting in vertical orientation. *aspie mode triggered*

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 14 21:19:14 2019 No.1537076 >>1522180 You read it on the internet so it must be true

Anonymous Tue Jan 15 11:07:26 2019 No.1537418

>>1522180
False. NEC says mount outlet so that if labeled "top" on the bare outlet, usually pressed into metal at mounting screw, is located at the top of vertical mounted outlet. If there is no indication or label on the outlet however, do whatever the fuck you want.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 15 11:58:39 2019 No.1537447 >>1530350 What a poor little star. Btw buy a proper cable, problem solved.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 15 13:17:00 2019 No.1537493 >>1522205 Sparky here. It needs to be grounding up. Many theme parks do it this way. Whoever said the breaker would trip, I suggest they try it out with a butter knife in their hand and have someone report back for you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 15 14:48:10 2019 No.1537552 >>1537493 But why would the current choose to flow through me and out to ground when it can just cross the knife and go on the other pole of the outlet or it's ground? I have much higher resistance, it makes no sense..

Anonymous Tue Jan 15 14:59:17 2019 No.1537559

>>1537552

He's not a real electrician; they don't call themselves "sparkies". And theme parks do not have 120 volt power cords that are plugged into the fucking wall to run a ferris wheel.

And as for your dumbass question, if you short hot to ground or neutral with a butter knife then the current stays there. If you short hot to you and your body provides a decent path to ground you can be injured, but in general you just feel a strong tingle if you touch 120 volts.

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