High end vice

[Anonymous No.1492644]

Ausfag here tired of el Cheapo shit tier vices
Any recommendations? Got my eyes set on old Dawn cast iron vice which I plan to clean up

[Anonymous No.1492705]

>>1492644
>old cast iron vice

anything used, pull the jaws apart and look for welds

welds = no buy

[Anonymous No.1492724]

>>1492644
Why did they choose to build it canted over like that?

Genuine question.

[Anonymous No.1492730]

>>1492724
Looks like there's nothing blocking the bottom of the jaws. If they kept an anvil flat on the back that would be pretty.l cool

[Termi No.1492742]

>>1492644
Wilton bullet 1755 is probably your best bet for an entry level quality vise.

https://www.ebay.com/p/Wilton-63200A-Special-Edition-1755-Tradesman/691396017?iid=382616664564

They ran a promotional offer for around $400 with a 4 lb hammer months ago but most places are out of stock.

[Anonymous No.1492759]

>>1492724
Because if you have anything long/large it'll normally hit the bottom of the vice. So usually you can only use the edges of the jaws if your vice is big enough.

That design cleverly avoids the problem by having offset jaws.

[Anonymous No.1492792]

>>1492644
Cast is garbage. Only forged is worth owning

[Anonymous No.1492923]

>>1492792

Cast is alright if you just want a cheap vice

But if you want to drop some bux on a vice, forged is the only way to go.

[Anonymous No.1492940]

>>1492644
You can usually get them 2nd hand off scumtree for 50-60 bucks
There's also a fabricated steel version of the offset vice as well which isn't a bad unit either

[Anonymous No.1492948]

>>1492644
>which I plan to clean up

Old doesnt automatically mean better. Its still a vise and they are still used hard.
If the jaws are not in good shape and if the jaws dont line up perfectly, dont buy it. Wear, bends, and cracks are common in old vises, a lot are just scrap metal.

With that said if you find a good one worth cleaning up itll a lot of the times be cheap and a good deal.

>>1492923
Also this, cast vises dont hold a candle to forged vises.
Yost makes a budget forged vise that is an absolute beast for the price. Not sure if you can get it in aussieland though

[Anonymous No.1492951]

>>1492923
You couldn’t pay me to take a cast piece if shit

[Anonymous No.1493059]

>>1492951

Ok

[Anonymous No.1493103]

>>1492792
The factory I work at has Dawn cast iron vices on every work bench that are at least 20 years old with a fair bit of wear and tear and are still good

[Anonymous No.1493136]

>>1492940
That’s the one made from welded plate yeah?
Pretty sure my mates workstation has one

[Anonymous No.1493141]

>>1493136
Yeah I found a welded plate type one at a 2nd hand store for something like 30 bucks and just spent an afternoon wire brushing the rust off it, bit of rustkill primer and black paint and she was good to go.
Ain't pretty, had a hard life but they're a fairly massive construction out of 3/4" plates and basically for all intents and purposes unkillable really

[Anonymous No.1493156]

>>1493141
I’ll see if I can pick one up at a garage sale or something
I really want one of those green heavy duty offset vices but holy fuck they’re expensive and heavy

[Anonymous No.1493163]

>>1492792
Pretty sure they’re nodular iron not grey iro
Manfucturer calls it SG

[Anonymous No.1493591]

https://www.amazon.de/Schraubstock-120-unzerbrechlich-integriertem-Trapezgewinde/dp/B000VD1QQI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1541648219&sr=8-1&keywords=heuer+schraubstock

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[Anonymous No.1493612]

>>1492724
so you can hold thing vertical

[Anonymous No.1493695]

>>1493591
pretty sure amazon doesnt ship to Aus anymore

[Anonymous No.1493938]

>>1492644
>Burn's Slant Vice Co

[Anonymous No.1494140]

>>1493938
What does that mean?

[Anonymous No.1494512]

>>1494140
>formerly Sneed's Slant Vice Co

[Anonymous No.1494640]

>>1494512
A simpson’s reference is it? Ah

[Anonymous No.1494647]

OP here ended up finding this thing at a garage sale
Pretty banged up but still works alright
Thinking of wire brushing and perhaps abrasive blasting

[Anonymous No.1494886]

>>1494640

[Anonymous No.1495278]

>>1492951
all of the US made vices are all made from castings

[Anonymous No.1495281]

I inherited a vice from my grandfather. It has a quick release lever. Would recommend as a feature.

>Pic not mine but has the lever

[Anonymous No.1495354]

>>1495281
might be a bit hard to find

[Anonymous No.1495675]

I have one of these Swiss Gressel 100mm vices. Got it cheap in a garage sale, turns out to be worth ~€400. Strange vice. It opens up over the bench top and opens up insanely far for such a small vice, over 230mm. When you get a vice, take replaceable jaws in consideration.

[Anonymous No.1495689]

>>1495675
Wow I’ve never seen one like that
Is it forging?

[Anonymous No.1495693]

>>1495689
Im not sure, think cast. Dovetail slider. Really pimpy. The backward opening supposes to be a german thingy, boley, leinen and schlegel vices have it too. Brockhaus Heuer/Heuer Front are also really really good traditional vices (forged).

[Anonymous No.1495701]

Ridgid mathador. Really nice big anvil

[Anonymous No.1495706]

Dolex Vice. Fkkn animal.

[Anonymous No.1495796]

>>1494647
Lets see how close the jaws line up

[Anonymous No.1495910]

Kanca anvil vice

[Anonymous No.1495919]

2 axis rotation vice (capritools)

[Anonymous No.1495944]

>>1495693
if they have any vices made from ductile casting i'd be really tempted to buy one

[Anonymous No.1495948]

>>1495796
Is this a good sign? I stripped off some of the paint with the wire brush on the angle grinder

[Anonymous No.1495949]

>>1495948
Also thinking of filling the gouges with weld but don’t know if I should use oxy-acetylene or nickel electrode

[Anonymous No.1495951]

>>1495949
>Also thinking of filling the gouges with weld but don’t know if I should use oxy-acetylene or nickel electrode

why. you aren't restoring a vintage duesenberg. it's a fuckin vise that has been used and abused and is beautiful as is. paint it and use it, or do what you suggested and start a vise museum.

[Anonymous No.1495954]

>>1495951
i know but i whenever i look at it just makes my eyes twitch a little

[Anonymous No.1495957]

>>1495954

then fire up the torch and "fix" it.

or better yet find a hobby more suited to your autism, like knitting.

[Anonymous No.1495961]

>>1495957
ew knitting is ghey tho
apparently i'll have to use a oxidixing flame to extract contaminants from the cast iron so the weld wont be shit

[Anonymous No.1496263]

>>1495961
I there a brand on it? Get some new jaws or flip the old ones. Powdercoat or epoxypaint coat the base. And it is good to go. Don't fill weld it up. Leave the scars. Any more fance vice pics?

[Anonymous No.1496265]

>>1495961
What are you 12? Fucking goof

[Anonymous No.1496273]

Does anybody know what mechanism is in this vice? Apparently you manually close the jaws onto the piece to be clamped then cinch it tight with the lever. Move the lever back and forth to tighten more.How does that work mechanically?

[Anonymous No.1496281]

>>1496263
It’s a Dawn
The jaws are in alright condition but it’s in imperial size so it’ll cost a bit more

[Anonymous No.1496326]

>>1495949
You'll remove all its character and history, leave the gouges they're not weakening it.

[Anonymous No.1496330]

>>1496273
That's a hydraulic vice.
The lever operates a pump

[Anonymous No.1496334]

>>1495961
>knitting is ghey tho
You do know knitting was a male preserve when it was first developed as a pastime in the civilised world, right? Women weren't thought to have the mental capacity to cope with the cognitive challenges it presented.

[Anonymous No.1496362]

what's stopping a manufacturer from casting a vice and heat treating it, as opposed to forging and heat treating it?

[Anonymous No.1496385]

>>1496362
Pretty sure they are heat treated

[Anonymous No.1496397]

>>1496326
O-ok

[Anonymous No.1496546]

40yr + offset Dawn i have at work

[Anonymous No.1497036]

>>1496546
Really want of these but don’t really have it in me to dish out a grand for a vice even if it is locally made

[Anonymous No.1497430]

>>1495961
Fuck that other guy man, if you want to put the time into restoring it and making it look better, that's your prerogative. Personally, i agree with you, i'd love to see it a little restored and prettied up because god DAMN did someone abuse that thing

[Anonymous No.1497763]

>>1495675
I have one of these, great vice. It follows the "Boley" pattern, pretty common in Europe

[Anonymous No.1497765]

>>1495675
keep in mind that the strength of these is greatly reduced when opened to the extremes.
the dovetail can fail at the root, ask me how I know this...

[Anonymous No.1497971]

>>1497765
How do you know this?

[Anonymous No.1498220]

>>1497765
I guess this is true but here in the land of Gressel I've never seen a broken dovetail.

One disadvantage is there's a max size you can get in the jaws and still clear the table. Probably designed in, probably to avoid people overloading a vice that's too small.

[Anonymous No.1498227]

>>1497763
what is the advantage of these style of vices compared to conventional type

[Anonymous No.1498240]

>>1496385
they just use ductile iron instead

[Anonymous No.1498278]

>>1498227
The sliding jaw is way more rigidly held than your average conventional. That said they aren't inherently better than a high class vice like a real Wilton.

[Anonymous No.1498290]

>>1498278
those bullet ones? whats so good about them aside from the worm screw inside being sealed

[Anonymous No.1498307]

>>1497971
He never said he would answer, you fell right into his trap.

[Anonymous No.1498350]

>>1498220
American here. I fell in love with these vises as I visit my company's manufacturing plant in Germany quite often.
I own several myself, never broken one.
A buddy of mine (farmer) had me buy one for him (leinen jr. 125) and bring it in my luggage, he had it broken within a few months.

I'll see if I can find the photos.

[Anonymous No.1498359]

>>1496334
I call bullshit, feels like it belongs with weaving, etc.

[Anonymous No.1498494]

>>1498307
Curses!

[Anonymous No.1498657]

>>1498350
wow aren't they supposed to be made from ductile iron?

[Anonymous No.1498671]

>>1498657
doesn't matter what it's made of really. farmers will ALWAYS find a way to break something

[Anonymous No.1499307]

>>1498671
shiiieeet

[Anonymous No.1500162]

>>1498671
Yep, they are insanely strong and any vice labeled "jr" doesn't stand a chance.

[Anonymous No.1500351]

>>1495675
these are forged and usually get used in tool making for filing etc so they open very far so you can work on the long sides of a piece of steel

because they open to the back and run on dovetails they are pretty stiff and don't wobble.

>>1495689 >>1498350 there also cast and not made for heavy hammer blows and can shatter.


>>1495693 these are made from forged steel and are basically indestructible
these give you more clearance for long items like pipe or rods and also have pipe jaws.

so these would be better for plumbing or welding light forging.

[Anonymous No.1500360]

>>1500351
wanted to post this vise its floor-mounted and big as the workbench

[Anonymous No.1500709]

>>1500360
fuck thats huge
any markings on it?

[Anonymous No.1500722]

>>1500360
I suddenly have a desire to build such a tool, but with a hydraulic ram to close it.

[Anonymous No.1501262]

>>1500722
that'd be fucking sick

[Anonymous No.1501268]

>>1492644
curious what you're doing with this vice, and why you're calling previous vices shit tier. I mean I have a craftsman that I bought back when I was a teenager that is still working quite well and it's been outside for the last four years. Pic related, it's a Kanca leg vice, goes for about six hundred bucks.

[Anonymous No.1501275]

>>1500722
Also the stationary jaw would be an anvil.

[Anonymous No.1501278]

>>1501275
dont think that is a good idea

[Anonymous No.1501285]

>>1492742
Their bullet ones look weird as hell

[Anonymous No.1502147]

>>1500709
only found this

[Anonymous No.1502164]

I was in an industry where you're using your bench vise 6 hours a day.

Cast/forged doesn't matter much- what breaks over time is the tightening mechanism. THAT has to be higher quality. Go easy if you're really reefing on the vise to tighten it.

Look at surplus sales from big institutions- I've seen them thrown away as scrap. Craigslist also, as not many people work with their hands in the US any more.

[Anonymous No.1502314]

My father got a quality old vice, but it doesn't have the swivel mount for of like pictured here.

>>1492742

I'm not sure it can be mounted without the lower swivel piece, so where can I find one to fit?

[Anonymous No.1502625]

>>1502147
noice
any chance of a translation

[Anonymous No.1502629]

>>1502164
yeah my boss's older brother said more or less the same thing and told me off for tighenting it too hard, saying i was going to fuck the screw

[Anonymous No.1502736]

>>1502147
>>1502625
My German is pretty rough, but I'll give it a shot.

>Nr. 3092 Free-standing Deep Throat Vise
>Made of Cast Steel
>With Removable Steel Jaws

>The movable jaws on size 2 also comes with a changeable insert
>All sizes can be shipped with a rolling assembly

[Anonymous No.1503289]

>>1500360
wonder how much that bastard weighs

[Anonymous No.1503638]

>>1503289
this one weights 550lbs

[Anonymous No.1504032]

>>1495948
>>1495949

Don't screw with the vice, it's beautiful. You might want a nice set of copper jaws (make them yourself from copper stock). I've never seen a situation where I've needed steel jaws in particular, and plenty of cases where I didn't want to scuff up a finish with them.

Other than that, clean and re-lube it, maybe apply something protective, and then you're ready. The scars are AWESOME and you'll regret forever ruining the vice in search of perfection.

Think of a hot girl who ruins herself with bad cosmetic surgery. That's the kind of "improvement" you're proposing here.

[Anonymous No.1504037]

>>1495954
then sell it, and put that money towards something newer.

[Anonymous No.1504340]

>>1504032
the manufacturer sells soft plastic and aluminium jaws but i dont know if they're compatible with this older model since this was when the country still used the imperial system

[Anonymous No.1504341]

>>1504032
any good clear lacquer to appy on metal to stop rust

[Anonymous No.1504365]

>>1495281
Quick release is fantastic. My dad has an ancient Record triangle-jocks vice like pic related. There are a lot of things that I just can't be bothered clamping because of how far I'd have to move the jaws. Not with quick release fuckery.

[Anonymous No.1504380]

>>1504341
Boiled linseed oil. Wipe it on, wipe it off, let a thin film dry. The rags may ignite if you're not careful with disposal.

[Anonymous No.1504382]

>>1504380
is the hardware store stuff good enough?

[Anonymous No.1504397]

>>1504382
Should be.

[Anonymous No.1506352]

i need some soft jaws on this
thinking about using these scrap off cuts of aluminium extrusion

[Anonymous No.1506356]

better pic

[Anonymous No.1506871]

>>1506356
How should I go about putting magnets on aluminium plate

[Anonymous No.1506947]

Shes not much but shes all I got

[Anonymous No.1506950]

>>1506947
wheres the rest of it

[Anonymous No.1507005]

>>1506871
If they're thick jaws, cut a recess to fit the magnet and epoxy it in. End mill for round magnets, for example. If the jaws are thin like in the pictures, use a backer plate to hold the magnets, and epoxy everything together.

[Anonymous No.1507091]

>>1507005
sounds good ill give it a try after i clock out at work on monday

[Anonymous No.1507108]

>>1506947
nice spinning anvil, bro

[Anonymous No.1508266]

>>1506950
I told you she was't much

[Anonymous No.1508274]

>>1492705
>old cast iron vice
>look for welds
Pro tip for anyone looking at cast iron stuff: Welding cast iron is exceedingly difficult without the proper tools. Honestly avoid any welded cast iron if there's even a chance that it comes from China or has been DIY'd by some dude in his garage.

[Anonymous No.1509841]

>>1492951
Yes I could