/diy/ - Do It Yourself

[Anonymous No.1304750]

Anyone here /aquaponics/? I want to make a small system that would fit in my room to grow "herbs". Anyone have experience in this?

[Anonymous No.1304810]

>>1304750

[Anonymous No.1304841]

>>1304750
Yes, ask right away before someone directs you to /out/. How many plants are we talking? basil/mint/parsley? budget? Fish stock ideas? You know the smaller the setup the more difficult it is to maintain right?

[Anonymous No.1304891]

>>1304750
As >>1304841
said

If you are talking standard 12x12 room, which will already have a bed, dresser and desk. I think you are in for a rough time. The fish tank(s) will need space, things will need to be cleaned/flushed. It will require some vents and it will make noise. Cost wise you are losing with small space, better off with standard grow methods.

[Anonymous No.1304922]

>>1304841

It depends on what you are growing. For actual herbs, a small nft with an air lift will work fine and isn't that difficult to maintain. It can be done cheaply on an existing fish thank. My small herb (again, actual herbs) system was indoor near a window that got daily sun and a little extra on a low watt grow light in the evening. The fish tank must be shielded from the sun.

If you are looking to grow something larger indoors with decent lights, I would go with a media filled solution and run a bell siphon or timer (for flood and drain). A cheap rack, media bed on top, sump w/fish on bottom. You will need a pre-pump filter solution otherwise you'll be cleaning the pump constantly. If you're in a confined space, I wouldn't dick with a CHOP system or similar with external filtration - but if you have an entire basement, go for it.

[Anonymous No.1304979]

>>1304750
See: >>>/out/1155539

[Anonymous No.1305517]

>>1304750
1 ft x 1 ft x 4.5 ft.
58 watts

[Anonymous No.1305595]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-DNrQoKcnc

[Anonymous No.1306109]

>>1304750

If your goal is to grow plants, adding fish makes the whole thing more expensive and complicated and failure prone. Go to some aquaculture sites; they're very upfront about the fact that it's about learning and balancing the system for the fun of it, and that you WONT get a magical organic perpetual motion machine.

[Anonymous No.1306363]

In my experience with aquaponics trying to do things on the cheap will result in failure and wasted money. Also the bigger you can build a system the easier it is to regulate/ maintain it. In other words very small systems are a bitch to troubleshoot and correct because there so much less room for adjustments with the system.

[Anonymous No.1306378]

>>1304750
Nigga clearly wants to grow weed you spasmos.

[Anonymous No.1306389]

>>1305517
Are you growing radishes and weed in the same container?

[Anonymous No.1306390]

>"herbs"
google how to grow weed at home

[Anonymous No.1306398]

>growing weed in a fishtank

[Anonymous No.1306621]

>>1304810
kek those tabs

[Anonymous No.1306669]

>>1304979
> see /out/ about growing INDOORS

[Anonymous No.1306714]

>>1306669
Lots of people have aquaponics outside.

[Anonymous No.1307831]

Lel such a troll post

[Anonymous No.1307843]

>>1307831
Which one?

[Anonymous No.1308056]

I'll dump some links, maybe you find something
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ehj91j117binfs5/AAAEubgTcpQK36a3wrn0BG_-a?dl=0
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0B2ILpxMxNOBzUWFKSlRhVDYwcXc?sort=13&direction=a
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/qksyur5ha3kzh1a/AABsSngseNpkBP4sHbpIeOG7a?dl=0

[Anonymous No.1308442]

>>1304750
yay. finally a thread I can help with.
ive got two systems running in my bedroom. what do you want to know??

[Anonymous No.1308451]

>>1308442
things you need for a basic stet up
>a grow bed. ive found windowsill grow boxes work great as you can just sit them up on top of a tank
>fish tank, duh, got to get those nitrites. inc-fish,heaters,air pump ect
>pump capable of moving the water to the grow bed
>grow bed medium. ive tried loads and clay balls are by far the best, dont use pea gravel as its too heavy
>light source. depends on what you want to grow as to how much. if you can get natural light its best, otherwise red/blue grow lights are needed
>knowledge of how to make a bell siphon. if you do it with a gap between the exit tube and the tank water it oxygenates the water so you dont really need an air pump.
>plants
>switch timers for plugs to get the ebb, flow, and lights to come on at the right time

[Anonymous No.1308454]

>>1308451
I started experimenting with these so i didnt have to clean my fishtanks so often, but its been a lot of fun learning how to propagate plants. ive not tried growing weed in them, i it but I cant see any reason it wouldn't work. You would need a deep bed with a low flow to ensure the roots didnt get too wet. over watering marijuana is all too easy. again clay balls are great for retaining moisture so the plants can just take what they need without being submersed too often.
pic related, its my geto set up. when i build my new fish table cabinet im going to make it look much more tidy so dont judge

[Anonymous No.1308458]

>>1308454
currently trying to grow strawberries in my breeder tank but they arnt to happy. i think its the lack of iron in the water. spring onions fucking love aquaponics tho, strongly recommend you put some in new tanks to help whenever the nitrates are getting too high.
also dont forget to learn about cycling your filters, its the same for grow beds, make sure you set up the plants and tank for a few weeks before adding fish. if you have more time stick a dead fish in the water and wait for it to decompose and for the tank to take care of all the nitrates, best way to get a filter running smoothly with lots of bacteria

[Anonymous No.1308465]

>>1308458
sorry the grow beds look so bare, i harvested most of the stuff for christmas so im down to my basic plants. had cherry tomatoes, some carrots, and some regular onions growing before, along with various herbs. its now seeded with the summer crops so it looks quite empty till they sprout

[Anonymous No.1308474]

>>1308465
on the plus side i have happy fish

[Anonymous No.1308481]

>>1308474
I recommend going without a substrate in the tank itself, it makes it easier for the filer to suck up the poop, just let the tank develop its own alge carpet and everyone is happy, learnt that in the second tank, i keep the substrate away from the filer in this tank with a piece of sponge and some larger rocks but the placos keep fucking with it

[Anonymous No.1308482]

>>1308481
unless you want happy little prawns and plants in the tank, they need substrate to thrive or at least a very thick algae carpet

[Anonymous No.1308483]

>>1308482
oh, almost forgot, get some red wiggler worms (compost worms) and stick them in the grow bed to eat the dead or diseased roots and keep the plants healthy. i just grabbed a load from my garden compost bin

[Anonymous No.1308489]

I actually just finished building an indoor aquaponics today. It is more for decor then growing but it works. will post pics 2morrow

[Anonymous No.1308490]

>>1308483
one last thing, these things can be really fucking noisy. i would recommend as quieter pump as humanly possible, often it sounds like I live next to a waterfall, but there are lots of things you can do to quiet a system down. less space between the out flow and the tank water, put the filter on top of a sponge, keep the flow time to the minimum and when you are out of the house ect

[Anonymous No.1308517]

>>1308454
So wait is this setup 3 pieces (growbed, fish tank, water tank)? Or does the water go directly from the fish tank to the growbed?

[Anonymous No.1308861]

>>1308517
fishtank strait to grow bed, through some filter medium to help break down the fish poo.
so water and crap travels through the pump, gets filtered through some course sponge, goes through the grow bed for further filtration and nitrite removal, then dumped back into the fish tank.
my set up adds another filtration step tho, i put a sponge wall to divide the tank and keep shrimp and snails on the side where the water gets deposited and fish on the other.

[Anonymous No.1308868]

>>1308861

[Anonymous No.1308875]

>>1308868
you just change the height of the siphon to change how much the grow bead floods and drains. pretty much takes care of itself after you get the timing for everything right, i only need to feed the fish daily, top up the water whenever, and clean it once every one or two months. i check the water quality with my kit every few weeks to ensure everything runs smoothly

[Anonymous No.1308879]

>>1308875
for weed i think you would need a grow tent from the light to the bed, but the principal is sound, if i liked weed i would probably grow it myself in one of my tank beds. my goal is to grow opium poppies eventually but thats a ways off

[Anonymous No.1308889]

>>1306621
new fag

>>1306398
top fucking kek

>>1306390
nooo anon, HERBS, like mint

>>1306389
top kek

>>1306109
>>1306363
>>1304922
hmmm alright sounds like I might just use plain ole dirt after all

>>1305517
This looks cool tho

>>1307831
Nahhhh

>>1308056
Ooh thanks anon!

>>1308442
Oh shit hi there
What are some recommended fish that I could get maximal plant food out of in the least space

>>1308490
this should be okay, maybe even a benefit, as I need the noise from a box fan in order to sleep (untermensch, ik)

>>1308861
can I use like sand and pebbles for filtering

>>1308875
So you only pump it up, and then let it siphon back down?

>>1308879
I'm growing herbs dammit
opium poppies sounds need tho...

[Anonymous No.1308892]

>>1308889
for first time fish get guppies, make sure to separate the genders with a tank divider or they will breed out of control. mine are in the two tanks separated. if i need more guppies i just put a female into the male side for a week and let he spawn back in her own tank and then separate the new males. ive been breeding them eugenically for colour and for fun. guppies are incredibly hardy fish and will survive most things, are live barers so they breed like rabbits, males are very pretty also


you can use anything for filtering as long as its bigger than the media guards holes, so it doesnt get sucked through the siphon. as i said tho i tub of rocks gets really fucking heavy and can break any tank if not properly supported. cley balls are best. and whatever you use make sure its ph neutral, clay and pea gravel, lava rock or you will kill your fish with ph spikes.

up one pump and gravity keeps the cycle going

[Anonymous No.1308893]

>>1308892
Neat okay. I think I'm gonna design a base thingy out of wood to hold all the stuff. I don't NEED at separate water tank right? Just the fish tank and then grow beds?

[Anonymous No.1308894]

>>1308892
Also thanks a ton for all the detailed info, ur the best

[Anonymous No.1308897]

>>1308892
also guppies can keep using sperm from 1 mating session for 3 months so I really cant stress enough how important it is to stop the little fuckers breeding, an algae eater also is handy for tank health so something like a placo is good to have in there, also 1 molly or gournami or angel fish to eat unwanted fry is always useful. mine sadly dies because i had a red tail black shark in the same tank and it wouldnt stop attacking it. my advice is to stay away from aggressive fish. especially cichlids. my main loss of fish over the years has always been because of bullying by those angry little fuckers

[Anonymous No.1308898]

>>1308894
no worries man, anything else you want to know im happy to help. it takes alot of information to set up this kind of thing and a lot of trial and error before you get it right

[Anonymous No.1308899]

>>1308897
>also guppies can keep using sperm from 1 mating session for 3 months
damn lmao

Is setting up the fish first a good course of action? Like just treat it like a standalone fishtank until the water has all the good stuff in it?

[Anonymous No.1308902]

>>1308899
not really, you need the tank to be cycled properly, that means that the filter needs to have all the good bacteria before you add the fist. this is step on and can take anywhere from two weeks to a month. the tank and grow bed need to be working first before you add any fish or the ammonia and nitrogen levels will spike and kill everything. its the biggest mistake first time fish keepers make and the most costly

[Anonymous No.1308907]

>>1308902
*fish
in the case of aquaponics the grow bed is the filter so you need to have your tank and grow bed cycled. best way to do this is to add ammonia into an empty tank and let the filter run. when the ammonia is all gone then the tank is ready for fish. so yes a little pee in the tank and let it do its thing for a while, or pop a dead fish in there. when stuff decomposes or shits/pees it releases ammonia which gets turned into nitrogen by bacteria and then into nitrates that the plants eat

[Anonymous No.1308908]

>>1308902
Oh ok, so plants first and put a dead fishy in? Could I put like a piece of raw meat or something so I don't need to kill a fish

[Anonymous No.1308909]

>>1308907
Oh gotcha disregard >>1308908
So I literally piss in the tank? Where will the bacteria come from that breaks it down?

[Anonymous No.1308910]

>>1308908
yeah anything that can decompose. liquid ammonia is best as it doesnt need to decompose but meat has more neutriants for the plants to start off with

[Anonymous No.1308913]

>>1308910
its not all that hard after you get your head around the chemistry of the whole thing it just takes a while

[Anonymous No.1308920]

>>1308913
again it all depends on how much time you can give setting it all up. the more time and effort you put in the better chances of success. if you have a friends with a already cycled fishtank borrow some of his filter media and put it in your tank to help kick start the process. they also sell bottles of the good bacteria called 'quick start' but ive never used it so i cant vouch for its effectiveness. oh, also dont overstock the tank, more fish than your filter can handle will cause nitrogen and ammonia spikes and kill everything, start small, 1 guppy for a 1 litre of water in your tank is max, the bigger the tank the more fish you can keep

[Anonymous No.1308927]

>>1308920
aquaponics can be daunting as it has both the aspects of fish keeping and gardening but after the initial set up its massively low effort and very rewarding. best plants ive found are, onions, spring onions, tomatoes, peppers, and lettuce
you might want to start with these plants until everything is running smoothly, then replace them with 'herbs' so you dont risk the crop

[Anonymous No.1308930]

>>1308927
Oh alright, lettuce and onions would be pretty nice, I'll shoot for that.

I'm trying to find free fish tanks on craigslist

[Anonymous No.1308931]

>>1308927
btw bell siphons are pretty much just a cup over a pipe so dont get too worried about the engineering side of the project. mine is a cap of a deodorant can, a piece of plastic tubing, and an old plant pot. and it was by far the most complicated thing to make in the whole process

[Anonymous No.1308936]

>>1308930
my big tank i got from the dump for £2 and the other was my sisters from when she moved and couldnt keep her fish. that actually how this all started for me, I took on her fish and was annoyed by how often i had to clean the tank and change the water. recycling centres are a gold mine for old fish tanks.

[Anonymous No.1308937]

>>1308936
I use spring onions from the supermarket. just cut the tops off and shove them in the soil if your nitrates are getting too high, they root so easily and grow very quickly. also great for cooking

[Anonymous No.1308939]

>>1308936
neat okay and thats p funny
do you have to do much in terms of checking on chemical balance or anything? my dad used to have a tank (I think it was salt water though) and I always remember him doing shit to check the water

[Anonymous No.1308944]

>>1308939
i have a testing kit i use every few weeks just to keep an eye on things, check ammonia, nitrate, and nitrite levels are all near 0 and you are good as gold. if you arnt shove more spring onions in until you are. ive not gone above 0.1ppm in anything for months, its just because i love my little fishies and like to have peace of mind that i do it. its worth the investment but after a while you can just tell from the plants health and the fishes behaviour if anything is wrong

[Anonymous No.1308950]

>>1308944
these are best but you can get testing strips for less accurate but less effort results

[Anonymous No.1308955]

>>1308950
How long would one of those kits last you?

Also, have u used grow lights at all? I'm worried about the amount of light that comes through my window

[Anonymous No.1308964]

>>1308955
years
the grow light isnt really necessary if you have everything set up by a window. but if you dont get much light where you are or if you want to propagate 'herbs' that need a lot of light and in controlled amounts then yes they are a must. you can pick them up pretty cheaply from places like ebay, the ones on my tank cost me £20 for two of them. you need lights with a red and blue spectrum for the best results. but i would only use them when you are growing ,`'herbs' and with a tent. mines by my window and has no tent, the people next door have asked if i was growing weed before as my room is in a near constant purple glow. so not great if you dont want to get busted

[Anonymous No.1308975]

>>1308964
damn alright
I legitimately don't wanna grow weed
Am I gonna get busted for growing normal plants

[Anonymous No.1308981]

>>1308975
nothing illegal about growing onions

[Anonymous No.1308986]

>>1308975
just get a tent if or a sheet to go over the grow bed if you are growing anything you shouldnt be or if you dont like purple light. i work nights so its the closest I get to real sun light so i quite like it

[Anonymous No.1308988]

>>1308986
Hmmm ok

[Anonymous No.1309035]

>>1308489
Here it is as promosed

[Anonymous No.1309039]

>>1309035
here is the right side up version

>20 gal tank
>small sump tank next to it
>small pump in the sump tank
>starter bed
>large grow bed (for tomatoes)
>no bell siphon, just a bottom flow controlled drainage and a top overflow

[Anonymous No.1309040]

>>1309035
nice set up and happy looking mollys
is that a seed propagator above the airstone?

[Anonymous No.1309042]

>>1309039
>>1309035
That looks fucking nice
That's pretty much exactly what I wanna do.
What sorta shelf is that?

[Anonymous No.1309045]

>>1309040
Yeah its a starter bed

>>1309042
It was kinda costly since the main thing I was going for was aesthetics

>shelf is from ikea ($130)
>tank is old af just reused from garage
>sump tank is old af just reused from garage
>pump is 1.5 gpm from home depot ($20)
>tubing and process equipment from ace ($30)
>light is LED from home depot ($45)
>starter bed is some plastic I found around the house
>waterfall is old mushroom plastic container
>starter is held up on very old locker shelf
>air pump from pet mart ($8)
>wine holder and storage boxes all reused

I'm just hoping the light is good enough, the picture looks darker then it is but I might need another light...

[Anonymous No.1309046]

>>1309045
Oh and I have 2 timers, one for the pump and one for the lights ($4 a piece from home depot)

[Anonymous No.1309056]

>>1306389
rocket lettuce.

[Anonymous No.1309060]

>>1309039
how are you holding the light when you need it lower at the start?

[Anonymous No.1309067]

>>1309060
Still working on that. The medium is still like 2 days out in the mail so I have time. I might just attach them within the shelving frame (less efficient but itll look better). I have thought about chains etc but it would clutter up the aesthetics.

[Anonymous No.1309076]

>>1309067
Spray paint ur chains white

[Anonymous No.1309618]

Why do most aquaponics setups have plants above the fish?
You could let gravity do the work of the pump and save money.

[Anonymous No.1309628]

>>1309618
It would still have to go back up to the fish..?

[Anonymous No.1309638]

>>1309628
Why can't it flow through as effluent water?

[Anonymous No.1309854]

>>1309638
why dont you just put your tomatoes at the bottom of the fishtank?

[Anonymous No.1310633]

>>1308482
Dope looking setup man.

Im going build a fully monitored gutter system soon. Cloning a bunch of herb babies for it. Ill probably put up my own thread as I do it so keep your eyes peeled.

[Anonymous No.1310939]

>>1310633
>Cloning
How does one do this

[Anonymous No.1311853]

>>1310939
http://www.gardenersworld.com/how-to/grow-plants/how-to-grow-mint-from-cuttings/

Basically you wound(cut) a plant under a node and stick it in water for a week and then sow in *ponics system. Plant parts in water generate roots. Hardly herbs like mint and basil are just easy to use and can buy seedlings year round at most supermarkets.

[Anonymous No.1312196]

>>1309618
because you would risk over flooding your grow bed if you just left it to gravity. if the pump broke down you would be fucked. also plants need light and having them on top is easier if you have it by a window. also also you would have to have to either have a timed valve or a constantly running pump to get the water flow right. its just a hell of a lot simpler to have the plants on top

[Anonymous No.1312199]

>>1312196
You don't need to put plants directly underneath your tank, just at a lower elevation.
You wouldn't flood your growbed if you used a bell siphon. I don't see how adding a pump makes aquaponics simpler.

[Anonymous No.1312779]

>>1312199
if the top of the grow bed is under the water level of the tank it will flood. I dont think you are getting how water works

[Anonymous No.1312887]

>>1312779
learn to plumb my dude

[Anonymous No.1313238]

>>1312887
you would still have to pump the water back up to the fish tank though

[Anonymous No.1313244]

>>1304750
see
>>>/out/1169147

[Anonymous No.1313282]

>>1312887
and you just killed your fish, well done

[Anonymous No.1313407]

>>1313238
rain

[Anonymous No.1313408]

>>1313282
Why? Water's not coming back up though the standpipe

[Anonymous No.1313421]

>>1313407
now im 100% sure you are retarded

[Anonymous No.1313424]

>>1313408
aquaponics works because the growbed cleans the water for the fish, its a closed loop system. that water is just going to spike out of control as waste builds up

[Anonymous No.1313434]

>>1313424
Do you see that little arrow under the growbed? That means water's going out. It's not recirculating

[Anonymous No.1313989]

>>1313434
yes but look where the tanks siphon is, all the shit in the tank isnt going anywhere its just slowly building up and would not get replaced nearly quick enough to stop nitrogen spikes unless it was constantly ''raining'' (which is still a retarded concept btw) this concept has basically no filter and is just ridiculous for indoor aquaponics

[Anonymous No.1314310]

>>1304750
Anyone interested maybe check out "Space Buckets"

[Anonymous No.1314326]

>>1304750
>>1314310
I've seen all kinds of builds from small simple ones with just the plain 5 gallon buckets up to monsters made out of garbage cans or rain barrels with automated light, irrigation, ventilation with carbon filtration to absorb any smell, monitored humidity/temperature/etc.

I think it was originally a solution or alternative to closet growing, with the goal being the smallest grow possible.

[Anonymous No.1314635]

>>1308931
For the bell siphons, I cant stress enough how important that bend at the pipe is. It took me a week of me fuckin around with my siphon only to figure out that no bend means the siphon doesn't break

[Anonymous No.1314789]

>>1314635
or just cut some gaps at the bottom of the siphon bell. you get a millimetre of standing water, but it saves pissing about with the bend

[Anonymous No.1315083]

>>1304810
>using bing

[Anonymous No.1315095]

>>1309045
>starter bed is some plastic I found around the house

FYI if you want to copy this idea get a cement mixing tray from the hardware store. They are large trays made from black HDPE and they cost like $5 and work well.

[Anonymous No.1315096]

>>1312199
If you're using a bell siphon you'll still need a vacuum pump in the event of power loss because you'll lose your siphon. A sump pump with overflow has simpler plumbing and is cheap and works consistently.

[Anonymous No.1315098]

>>1314310
5 gallon buckets are too small for anything. Use a trash can if anything. A proper grow tent is cheap enough that you should just buy one if you're able. You'll spend more on tape and other bullshit putting a bucket together than you will just throwing $50 at a decent 2x2x4 tent. $25 more would get you a 2x4x4 if you had the room.

[Anonymous No.1315111]

>>1314789
You still need the bend for the water to form a lock on the air tho

[Anonymous No.1315379]

>>1315111
mine doesnt have a bend and works fine. as soon as the pipe starts sucking in water it creates a vacuum and the negative pressure keeps the siphon sucking. when the water level drops bellow the hole in the bell part the vacuum cuts out

[Anonymous No.1316391]

>>1308964
I'm growing onions using an led bulb that I can change the color of. I know plants use red and blue light to grow. So my question is, since I only have one bulb, can I set it to purple or does it not work like that?

[Anonymous No.1316697]

>>1316391
Yup, violet.

[Anonymous No.1316707]

>>1309035
>>1309039
>>1309045

My nigga

[Anonymous No.1316709]

>>1316707

This whole setup cost $300 with the light

[Anonymous No.1316712]

>>1316709

And it's bright as fuck

[Anonymous No.1316715]

>>1316709
>>1316712

How are you not

#1 burning those plants
#2 burning down the closet, thats like a 600w light?

[Anonymous No.1316720]

>>1316715

The light has two internal head sinks and fans. It's only about 25C in there. Also the cabinet they are in is backless for ventilation.

The plants fucking love it. They are getting a healthy DLI of 10 despite how bright it looks to our eyes. My herbs literally grow like weeds and taste amazing.

[Anonymous No.1316797]

>>1316720
can you explain DLI, Ive got some grow lights but im not an expert

[Anonymous No.1316823]

>>1316797
>>1316720
Heres my setup

[Anonymous No.1316827]

>>1316697
Thanks friendo

[Anonymous No.1316966]

>>1316797

DLI stands for daily light integral. It is the total Mols of photosynthetically active light that a plant gets in a day. Photosynthetic photon flux (ppf) is the instantaneous quantity of photons in the 400-700 nanometer range received in a square meter per second, normally measures in micromols per square meter per second. It can be measured by a quantum PAR sensor which is like 300$.

[Anonymous No.1318139]

>>1316712
Holy fug mate. Isn't that a bit too bright?

[Anonymous No.1318143]

>>1304750
mine isn't aqua,but the lighting is the same

>8x15 W chinkshit full spectrum LED (4-6€)
>two cheap used adjustable lamps (50€)
>digital timer (15€)
>cords (10€)

I grow cayenne chillies and tomatoes.
I guess that kush needs atleast as much Lux as these plants.
If you go for LEDs be sure that they have cooler fins. And don't run them 24/7. The """herb""" will grow faster, but the good stuff won't be as potent. Plants need to rest too.

use this calc to determine how much LEDs will you need:

rapidtables com/calc/light/lumen-to-lux-calculator.html

[Anonymous No.1318176]

>>1308458
>i think its the lack of iron in the water

The only supplement an aquaponic system needs is chelated iron. Supposedly you can grow barley since it produces siderophores which chelate iron and make it available to plants.

[Anonymous No.1318179]

>>1309039
that shelf doesnt look like it could support the fish tank

[types of pipes No.1318867]

>>1318176
alas i cant add iron, due to the shrimp. they cant handle it