/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>972392
Has anyone done this?
Possibly
Has anyone done this and lived to tell the tale?
No.

You put a shipping container underground and it implodes. That's /diy/ 101.

>>972393
It shouldn't be too hard to reinforce the sides and top. It wouldn't be bearing all the weight. It's mostly so the contents are safe from water and such.

>>972392
might be worth looking into how subway tunnels are done, i remember some of the things they would do with poor soil is just dig a trench, build the tunnel and walls and then put dirt over it.

>>972394
Just get a culvert and put a door in one end and seal up the other. They are made for that shit.

>>972392
>crude drawing, ik
its fairly simple, but you should remember to put a roof on it

why does everyone one want to live underground in sardine cans?

>>972474

>>972394
You can reinforce it, but you have to do that on the inside, and then it makes your already tiny box even smaller. It's not worth the effort. Use a culvert.

Or fill it with imitation crab meat and pallets, that might work.

>>972394
no, these are made to support loads. hence the corrugated structure. also, they stack these up on shipping boats.

I think something like this has been done in the movie Take Shelter.

Also, you can try asking bunkeranon (when he eventually posts his updates). He's probably the best person to speak to on 4chan, when it comes to caves and bunkers.

Hey guys. I want to dig up my storm cellar and turn it in to a Intermodal freight container.

Then I could fill it full of pallet furniture ship it to chine, sell the pallet furniture then fill it full of crab meat and return home.

I imagine all I would have to is glue on a couple of brackets that will allow it to be lifted on and off the ship.

>>972517
>no, these are made to support loads. hence the corrugated structure. also, they stack these up on shipping boats.

>>972530
You'll have to reinforce the walls from the outside, the weight of all that crabmeat will blow those weak walls right out, they were never designed to handle such pressures

>>972394
Then use whatever you were going to reinforce it with and use that. Forget the shipping container is dead weight

>>972421
Culvert pipe is ideal

>>972517
The walls don't support shit, the corner pillars take all the weight of stacked containers. The sides are corrugated to stop Rolf Harris trying to play a tune on them, it doesn't add to the structural strength of the unit.

There's pictures of a guy making a bunker by burying a container, the walls buckled before it was covered, the roof caved under a few inches. Have a google for it

>>972474
hikki style

Here you go OP:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UKNajCgpEs&list=PLGjbAdaOBLBlS1MPKXYmqwZLZhWC1FAMx

>>972478
kek

>>972517
oh boy

>>972766
Burying an old school bus works better and is probably cheaper.

>>972771
you need a network of bus tunnels and a shower for little boys

>>972665
:)

>>972394
>It shouldn't be too hard to reinforce the sides and top
Said by thousands of people before you.

It just doesn't work, they aren't made for it.

Sheet metal rusts. If you want to put something that will work into a hillside (and since you are asking here the odds are you are clueless and mechanically helpless) you can buy cleaned rail tank car hulls. They are strong enough many farmers use them for culverts and thick enough to resist crushing. Weld whatever accessories you want to the hull using a basic stick or FCAW/MIG welder.

ISO containers are nice for workshops and companies like Sea Box have some killer offerings you can copy. ISO containers are not good for bunkers.

I have two High Cubes joined as a shop. Want more to store muh motorcycles because I love gasketed storage. (If you've severe humidity issues, use a dehumidifier.)

Bunkeranon rocks but unless you are rich, you cannot duplicate his epic score of an old military bunker so fucking forget it.

Or you can just start digging, like the rat tunnels in Vietnam. Those can withstand most anything.

OP here! Thanks guys I'm getting some real good ideas that I didn't think of. If I can find a big enough culvert it will probably work best by the sounds of it and on the flip side I also know where there are a couple old busses I could play with.

>>972808
Rail tank cars don't work either. They are designed to resist high interior pressure, not exterior loads. There's a video of one crushing like a Coke can under something like 250mbar vacuum.

Why don't you use earth rammed tire walls to reinforce the walls of the hole, then place your shipping contain inside.

You'll more than likely be able to get the tires for free and delivered for free.

>>972474
not op but it appeals to me

Bunker Anon is my favorite anon. I want him to post youtube videos of his bunker.

>>972827
>couple old busses I could play with.

Hahahahaha

Oh wait, when they tore down the local trailer park there was a bus that was half buried into the ground. Apparently a dude was raising chickens in it.

Also nobody bothered to turn the water off to the site. They ripped out the trailers. And I kid you not there was 10 pipes stickin out of the ground spewing water for a week.

Its times like those that I love living in a town of 1000 people

>>973102
Implying rail cars aren't any thicker than a corrugated culvert.

>>973105
If you've ever done a rammed earth tire wall of any size you'll know why it is better just to have a poured concrete wall instead.

>>973407
It is the very shape that gives objects their strength over other shapes made of the same materials.

>>973102
Integrity compromised before the test on this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpWeU2fvFGs

Integrity of this one was not compromised before the test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N17tEW_WEU

I wouldn't ever go with a used tank because you don't know what it is rated for and you don't know if the structural integrity is okay.

You also have to consider 1atm = 14.6959 psi and those tanks are taking less psi than that (they only reach about 23 inches of mercury before imploding. 30 inHg = total vacuum/14.6959 psi from outside)

Culvert pipe on the other hand can take a serious shitload more pressure and are designed to:

http://culvertdesign.com/yield-strength-of-culverts/
http://culvertdesign.com/standard-pipe-arch-sizes/
http://www.culvertrenew.com/specifications.html

PDF with all the math you could ever want for structural plate pipes:
http://www.conteches.com/Site-Management/Document-Management/Command/Core_Download/EntryId/12899&usg=AFQjCNGozzuT8tXPAE1WLX3TtNS03m9A8g&cad=rja

Now, the largest problem with culvert pipe used for underground living is water. they are full of holes!

http://www.risingsbunkers.com/pipe-culvert-shelters-terrible-idea/

If you do use one, spray the outside with truck bed liner. That will seal all holes, stop all corrosion, and give it more integrity. THEN cement the outside completely. Don't rely on the metal itself for structural integrity when a few more bucks can make it safer and longer lasting.

>>973105
Do this OP.

Completely turn your land into landfill.

Burring a toxic container in a in pit filled with toxic tires.

>>973402
All my videos are explosions ;)

https://vimeo.com/126394426

>>973435
>If you've ever done a rammed earth tire wall of any size you'll know why it is better just to have a poured concrete wall instead.
Labor cost, right? So when slavery comes back, rammed earth tire walls and cob houses will be financially viable?

>>973534
And by "labor cost" I mean "the cost to your back from ramming all those tires."

>>972530
Lol'd

>>973537
>>973534
Yeah, that shit is off the hook, crazy ass hard work. Plain rammed earth is far easier to do and lasts centuries anyway. Putting tires in the mix is just "yeah fuck you".

For normal rammed earth, there's tons of different hydraulic machinery you can choose from. But, rammed earth tires is all manual labor.

Not to mention the fact that tires are mega polluters of water. All those earthship houses are basically novel, heavy metal, toxic waste dumps.

I mean look at this shit,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwp0kxazw5g

Compare that to this,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsVhlHTulLQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS7Cc1LZnjk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMN3meT98Oo

Manual/auto machine and hybrid earth blocks,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrg0tNclv20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKbdNqrQZ08&nohtml5=False

>>972771
oh shit, never thought of a bus. I remember as a kid they would do school bus safety things, and I remember them saying they could support a lot,

>>973435
The Mythbusters pulled a near perfect vacuum on one without it collapsing.

>>974078
A constant, evenly distributed pressure created by a vacuum inside of it is entirely different to an uneven and point loading pressures created by earth being piled around it.

>>974078
>near perfect vacuum

You don't even know what that means. They did not. Not only that but a vacuum isn't a way to pressure test for underground shit. Plus, there are plenty of videos showing tank vacuum collapse of tanks that are structurally sound.

>>972771
>this will never be the foyer into your supah sekrit underground home

why even LIVE

>>974023
Normal air pressure: 1 atmosphere
Vacuum pressure: 0 atmosphere
Burying something underground: >>>1 atmosphere

These things are not the same. A vacuum isn't infinite negative pressure

>>973467
thank you based anon.

Still would like full videos though for some ideas on how these things work. Me and my team are only guessing seeing as the act of digging underground is hard to find due to minecraft.

>>973467
>>974129
followup

holy shit you have the tower.

>>974130
>>973467
please climb tower and make a panoramic of the view.

>>972392
I saw a dude on youtube who did that, but it was a pretty tiny cave. Probably no more than 15ft in. He basically just slept and kept a small number of possessions in there. It was also only probably 4-5ft high.

>>974216
>cool moss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0f2aFhZ3Uk

>>974220
Found the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdLAM-wChxY&nohtml5=False

>>973653
Holy fuck that looks great, I never even knew compressed earth + cement would make such a good looking brick. Do you know anything about how it compares to concrete or regular burned bricks, with regards to sturdiness? Not to be cynical, but third world countries using a piece of tech to build has never been confidence inspiring to me, even though I'm sure you could reinforce it by pouring concrete down the holes. Or is that the opposite of what you want?

>>974225
Really inspiring, that guy embodies what I wanna do house wise. I'd like a farm but a small farm, mainly for self sufficiency. Some sheep, a few goats, maybe a cow. Just a tiny house, a barn, some grazing grounds and a workshop.

My idea of the perfect life, desu...

>he seems so content.

>>974256
Indeed. He seems to live much like ancient people would have (with less disease and violent competition, of course)

>>974259
Alright, shipped him an email, we'll see if he replies. That hillside looks just like my favorite place in the world...

>>974271
Based. Hope you get to see it anon

>>974273
I usually visit the place I mentioned around once a year, but it's owned by someone else and I can't afford to buy it.
>Yet.
So now my life goal is to work like a dog for some years, then buy enough of the land in question to set up shop like Dan there.
You can do large scale projects anywhere, as long as you have shelter, outdoor area and a workshop. For the first time in my life I'm comfortable with deciding on a goal and a path to it.

Thanks for your support, anon.

>>974273
He replied really quickly, actually. He seems like a nice dude. He says he spends most of his money on drums and travel.

>>972392
Roger rabbit used a shippie
but had to put columns down the center.

>>972394
if you need to reinforce it, then you are better off, just building a structure without the seacan

you are suggesting this because your mind can wrap around the idea of what a seacan is, but not how to build a structure underground

For what you want the cost of buying a secan is better spend with materials to build your own structure.

>>974497
This, in order to be righteous of tongue and mind, my ancestors.

I mean you're already shelling out for renting an excavator, unless you're literally insane or have a hundred slaves to do your job, so why not rent or build one of those compacted earth presses and use the soil to make the walls etc.

Still don't know how solid they are, any takers? Anyone know if packed earth bricks can be reinforced, how durable etc.

>>974500
>Still don't know how solid they are, any takers? Anyone know if packed earth bricks can be reinforced, how durable etc.

Don't know about pressed earth but some wineries dig out and use shotcrete to reinforce the ceiling and walls. I imagine there's a lot of rebar involved too.

Honestly if you can weld, even poorly, its really not that hard to build one out of steel. Reinforce with some thick steel beams, build a large box and add concrete, i saw a video of some brit build his own bunker. Best to do it on a big slopping hill, better drainage and you can have a lower pipe for air draft so you can rely less on a motor to pump fresh air.

>>974503
>I imagine there's a lot of rebar involved too.

Yes, it is basically a latticework of rebar and fencing wire.

>>972474
muh EMP resistance?

>>974256
>>974259
>>974271
>>974273
>>974276
>>974303
this might be interesting to you guys
for the advice on reinforcement, ventilation, etc, though the nvda side is kind of interesting too.
discodavestunnelguide.com

was there anything special about the ancient pyramids and tunneling? why not excavate a yard, make a fucking pyramid, fill with lighter fill material and a very thin layer of native soil?

>>975228
> anything special about the ancient pyramids and tunneling

uhh, massive amounts of free slave labor and resources?

>>975238
i dont think labor is an issue on /diy/

>>975241
implying anyone on /diy/ can muster up 10,000 friends (or even slaves) (or even 10)

>>975244
well, assume i'm not building a pyramid a mile tall. maybe 50'

You will need to reinforce the wall and roof.

The roof can be done with simple beams and columns. For the walls you could easily install a reinforced block wall. You will also need to waterproof the shit out of the container to stop rust, etc.

After all this work though you may as well build a conventional building instead. You would still have the block walls but a concrete roof and floor slab instead of the container. Would probably end up a lot bigger and nicer too.

Quick question, Texas tax code states that shipping containers are exempt from property tax. Does that mean that if I made a house from shipping containers it would also be exempt?

>>975263
Would probably only count if you used a single container friend

>>975246
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>>975228
because you need a large pyramid in order to make the triangular walls not an issue
makes more sense just to make vertical walls and then a triangular/arched element on top to distribute the weight to your walls

>>975601
This.

If you've ever been in a hardwall-style A frame travel camper, you'll know the pain of ground to ceiling slanted walls. At minimum give up on any sort of reasonable shelving or hanging solutions

>>972392 ihave done this.
Bracing is your friend.
Also gusset plates

>>976640
Forgot to mention.
Water proofing and lots of it.
And all of the galve.
ALL OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>974626
I am building an mechanical ventilation system.

You basically pull an 200kg concrete block up and he SLOWLY sincs and turns this way an connected rotor.

I use an old car transmission for it.

Its now sliding in an angle down an improvised holding mechanism.

Keeps rotating the rotor for 5 hours with pretty strong pressure and high airflow.

if you prop inside shipping containers are exellent for shelter or cave once buried there fucking tough as coffin nails

>>975238
The pyramids were actually built by skilled laborers who were well paid for their time.

>>977351

>skilled laborers

I know you meant skilled masons.

But even then brah

Unless these Egyptians were the most charitable bunch in the history of mankind I know for damn sure they didn't have expensive masons dragging those blocks mother fucker.

Someone was at the bottom of the pyramid of heiarachy and those were the guys you see doing all the pulling.

>>973102
Rail cars are used for heavy culverts by farmers. The load on the car crushed in the demo was a lot more than mere burial would apply, and was applied to the entire external surface at once.

>>974023
A bus is weaker by far than a rail car or culvert. Ever scrap one by cutting it up? I have, and I've had one as a shop bus. The interior space vs total volume of a bus shell sucks. Good luck keeping all that sheet metal from rusting underground.

I'd use one as a chicken coop though.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=v0Omi-Vftf4
Please comment video

>>974494
Those containers RUST and used containers merit recoating if you don't want to have water intrusion from rust holes. I made the mistake of not using industrial roof coating then had to remove the chain store shit. AVOID the "premium" white crap. Roofers laugh at its porosity.

If you want to live in an ISO container, keep it above ground for convenience then camouflage it. You get the same interior which is what you are REALLY after.

If you want a protective bunker, copy a HAS (hardened aircraft shelter) then landscape it.

>>972392

All the ideas involving shipping containers require going to great lengths to build up a supporting structure to support the roof and then putting the container inside it.

Why not just wall off the structure you need to build anyway and use that instead of dicking around with the container?

>>978021
That would be smarter. People who build REAL military bunkers know how to do it. There is no better way. Forget finding one. During the Cold War, shelter designs were tested exhaustively including live atmospheric nuke shots.

Military bunkers don't fucking put sheet metal against earth. They put reinforced concrete against earth. The excavated bunkers are either cut into rock or constructed like a conventional transport tunnel.

bump for interest

>>972392

I found the perfect container for my underground home. It can withstand all those soil pressures and it's comfy enough to stay in for a looooooong time and really get some rest.

>>972392
Here you go
Old dude is sage

https://youtu.be/S3d810rRfUg

>>979582
eh, not so great in heavy rain

>>979582
Not without a burial vault it isn't, retard. Caskets alone can't withstand a couple feet of soil, let alone 6. Also, they're not that comfortable, only an inch or so of padding.

>>979582
Nice one OP

http://www.lfpress.com/2013/06/05/bc-police-uncover-underground-marijuana-grow-op

This is just one of several incidents in my region. In another incident they brought news cameras in and you could see the ceiling was buckled downwards from the weight of the soil overhead. IIRC it was 7' down believed to help eliminate infra-red heat signature the RCMP could detect with a FLIR camera on their patrol helicopter.

>>972392
here's one that works:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0oFJ2jbkDI
steel beams at the corners, reinforced concrete slap on top, drainage at the sides....

>>982014
>30k
30k my fucking hole, you sneekit ole lying hippy buy-my-diy-container-dwelling-book bastirt.
CAT(s) / driver / hire / container TRANSPORT only bust you that, easy. Apart from that tho, grand. For fucking hobbits.

These threads need to be banned

>>982020
Containers, delivered near the coasts are about 2500 per High Cube. Not hard to position with very basic equipment on level ground. I did mine with comealongs (Wyeth-Scott, not junk), pipe sections as rollers, bottle jacks and misc steel and wood shims.

So figure five grand for the shell. If you are doing this shit you'd better own the gear already and know how to use it. Welding them together isn't difficult. Stick is fine for the corner fittings, FCAW to run a full bead down the roof joining strips (fuck "tack and seal").

Burying them (really berming them with minimal roof load) as youtuber did could work in a desert but if you don't use industrial coating the shells are still subject to rust.

Everyone who is curious, BUY ONE CONTAINER! Then the container will teach you more than any thread and they make a nice instant gasketed shop. If you can't afford to buy a container to experiment with you don't need one, get a life and make money instead.

Container threads should be banned because almost no one does proper homework studying INDUSTRIAL and MILITARY specialty ISO containers. That's where to learn, not here.

>>982065
fuck you

>>972392
If you're going to do it wrap the container in damp proof course.

>>972766
i dont understand how a foot and half of dirt could do that but the containers that weigh thousands of pounds they stack on top of them dont..

get a shovel

>>982809
Really?
reading and logic comprehension fail.

The floor (where you put things) and the frame (the uprights at the corners and connecting them) are strong. The corrugated metal on the sides is just there to keep things from falling out. It's not that much stronger than corrugated metal roofing, just welded on the edges for weatherproofing and security more than structure.

And dirt, dry and especially (incredibly) wet dirt s more than you think. The earth also applies enormous pressures laterally. Weight and pressure in the middle of broad metal panels will collapse them. Simple.

By the time you build up a foundation, walls and cover from reinforced concrete and/or blocks you are already building a basement and a rusty metal box sitting in the middle seems a bit surplus.

>>977360
Most of them were farmers. Egypt cannot grow most crops year round, and in order to stay fed, they worked for the emperor building infrastructure.
>Jews haven't even made it to Egypt yet

>>972474
the end times are coming

small questions raferred me here

how much would it cost for me to build a medium impact hobbit hole?

>2 bed
>1.5 bath
>kitch
>dining
>laundry room
>greeting room
>sizable living room
>medium pantry connected to kitchen

i want a max comfy life so plumbing is necessary but also want 100% efficient electricity usage (as in all solar) and some sort of electronic heating, AC, and water heating.

i have some (2 yrs in HS) experience drafting so i would be able to do the floor plan and hand it over to an architect or what all

additionally how much land would be necessary for this kind of project (im thinking like a half acre)

>>982809
on top of this >>982839 the metal containers are designed to stack. a can of pop can vertically withstand a lot of pressure (so they can stack really high in warehouses) but withstand so little pressure horozontally. shipping containers are exactly the same way dude.

Excavation can be tricky, never know what you'll find. Best to side the container to a hill and cover it.

>>983354
yes

>>983596
thanks so much for the advice. i really appreciate it.

>>972808
What ever happened bunkerfag?

People have turned them into houses before.

This is honestly one of the easier things you could do with one of those shipping containers if you knew somebody with a backhoe.

>>972440
That's what I don't understand...if you have to go through so much effort to build around the damn shipping container, why not just pour a cement floor and put up some insulated walls if you're not using the damn container for anything anyway?

>>983354
This guy built one (sorta). Fantastic place, though, the style/idea is the same.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lW4Yux-lzo

>>983734
thanks man. at work and out of high speed data so its on my watch later.

fuck though i really want a hobbit hole to live in. i hope i can convince my wife to go for it.

>>972781
the only feasable solution if he insists on using a cargo container is dig it in but don't bury it, just get it level with the surrounding ground and sod over it

>>983880
Sides will still collapse in even if it's only 50% below ground

Hell, what cheapo structure actually is designed for underground?
Just culverts?

>>984112
Basically. Everything else is more or less custom built.

>>972653

>that pic

THE SOLUTION TO TEACHING THE RETARDED IS TO STOP MAKING PEOPLE RETARDED.

Chemicals, forced stupidity for population control, deliberate dumbing down, etc.

I wonder how many people were forcefully lobotomized against their will.

This place is fucking HELL. You'd think doctors would be smart but they fucking aren't, they'll believe anything written by a PHD like most of us.

>I KNOW HOW TO CURE THIS MAN
>LETS DESTROY HIS BRAIN

The crimes against humanity that go on daily in this country and world are obscene.

Believe in conspiracies. We live one.

.>> 984317 (You)
i bet your older brother read that book out of concern for you.

>>984123
what kind of expertise is needed to come up with this kind of thing? what kind of labor is needed?