/diy/ - Do It Yourself

There are none.

Pros: NO ELVES

>>837005
So this would work? I wouldn't have to worry about added supports for weight or anything like that?

>>837007

You need to support weight. I think you need to just not build anything because you are clearly retarded.

>>837008
I wouldn't say retarded but I would admit to an ignorance on the subject. That's why I'm here asking though.

>>837009

Alright, fair enough. You'll need support for things unless you want a cave-in. It also depends on how far down you're digging too, and how big it is. If you get a shipping container and you don't bury it too far, you'll be fine. Of course, it'll be pretty small but what are you going to put in it? Basic stuff? Survival stuff for a possible happening?

How big do you want it? How secure do you want it? How well hidden will you want it?

>>837012
>what are you going to put in it? Basic stuff? Survival stuff for a possible happening?
>How big do you want it?

Bomb Shelter in my post was definitely off I should have said storm shelter.

My grandparents passed a few years ago and I was talking to my dad about the land and what to do with it. And he and a few of my uncles and aunts want to build like little vacation houses on the land. Just places to go out in the country that is on the land they grew up on but is theirs.

So something like a storm shelter that would be accessible but assuming everyone was there at once maybe hold 9 or so people fairly comfortably during a big storm. I guessed something barn sized would be plenty without everyone being to close.

>>837015
>something barn sized

Not very helpful. Barns come in a lot of sizes. Also depth is a rather key design component as it decides how much weight your structure has to support.

I would recommend not building your first project underground. Structures down there have a habit of killing people if their poorly made.

>>837030
Is this more helpful?

And I'm not planning on building anything yet, Just looking for suggestions or somewhere information wise to get started. This is mostly hypothetical. Just trying to see what's possible. Even the little bit of conversation has given me some things to think about in regards to size for it and what my families main purpose for it would be.

>>837034
wrong image

>>837015
A guy near me had an underground storm shelter built. He brought his family inside and it started flooding. A tree had fallen on the entrance. They would have been fucked if a neighbor hadn't pulled them out.

The best protection from a major storm is to not be there when it hits.

>>837009
protips:
google: How much does dirt weigh
google: How to shore up mining tunnel
google: What ratio of bleach and ammonia to kill myself

>>837004
>What I don't want is to have to kill the people that made it.
This will be your downfall. You had better be prepared to kill to defend your shelter.
Because those who are unprepared will try to take it from you.
I know the government insists that you must give everything you have to the poor when the shit hits the fan, but they can't take your hole in the ground, it's yours

>Rent backhoe and operator
>Already spending a lot
>Hire a concrete company to come out and fill the bottom with concrete
>Pay a lot for that
>Buy a big barn
>Hope it comes in pieces
>Try and fail to assemble it yourself
>In a dirt hole thats slowly falling apart to the elements
>Either give up or hire someone to come out and do it for you
>Spend a lot of money
>Figure out how to get electricity
>Spend a lot of money on a power company to do something they probably wont do
>Or buy a diesel generator and ruin le epic base
>Finally get something half-assed liveable
>Make an entrance that will probably be a big steel pipe
>Spend a lot of money on that
>Hire backhoe+operator
>Fill hole back in, hope to god it doesn't collapse the roof
>Spend a lot of money

Notice how I say spend a lot of money, a lot? Because your going to be spending a lot of money a person on 4chan doesn't have.

Visiting your local library and grabbing a book on the subject would be a good start.

for example: Ray G. Scott - How to Build Your Own Underground Home

>>837055
TOC Ctd

>>837047
I think that three fiddy is a good answer to all of these questions and all of them to come.

>>837055
link the pdf

>>837044
I always expected someone with a bunker dream to end up winning the Darwin Prize, seems you buddy was quite close.

>>837066
found the pdf in my personal stash. no clue where it came from.

look it up you lazy bum

>>837049
>Because your going to be spending a lot of money a person on 4chan doesn't have.
>Implying bunker bro doesn't own an entire mountain
I miss his posts, wonder if he'll post soon

>>837067
flooding is the NUMBER ONE concern with underground structures.
80% of government underground facilities that cost millions of dollars have serious flooding problems.
Taxpayers can afford to run 100GPM pumps night and day, but your average person can't.
imitation crabmeat is an inexpensive alternative, but it's no substitute for brains i mean drains. never build underground without a drain.

>>837015
>So something like a storm shelter that would be accessible but assuming everyone was there at once maybe hold 9 or so people fairly comfortably during a big storm.
Storms don't last forever. You can be less comfortable without concern if you're protecting yourself from a storm for a few hours.
You'll be more concerned about safety than comfort.
I grew up in a tornado prone area. Our home had a concrete 'bunker' storm shelter that was about 8'x10'. Benches along the sides. Sometimes with neighbors sheltering too there might be 15 people inside. No one minded sitting in laps or standing for a while if it meant they were protected from the storm.
A storm shelter doesn't necessarily have to be completely underground. If you want to build a storm shelter you should be looking for information on that - not how to bury a barn.

Also: Google

>>837036
Anon that fucking thing is huge.

To build something that big underground you are going to need earth moving equipment, cement trucks, engineering designs, all sorts of shit which will cost a fucking ton of money.

As your on /diy/ asking questions which put kindly are impractical and less kindly fucking retarded I'm going to guess you don't have any money at all, let alone tens of thousands of dollars sitting around to build stupid shit.

>>837121
>bury the god damn thing above ground over time
>wanting to be at water collection depth

A quonset hut type shelter would collapse under the weight of earth.

Look up storm culverts. They come in sections. You;d have to figure out how to do the ends, but that would be pretty easy (relatively).

It seems like with a big truck or trailer you could pick up the sections and potentiaally leave little trace.

>>837073
Makes me wonder if bunker anon is going to be able to drain his bunker. Pretty much everything not in that first room we always see is under water

Find a cliff face with a cave of sorts and build the front of a house to close it up.

>>837156
It's under control, been dry for a year now. The drainage is actually very simple and cheap. One french drain system that also act as main "rain/ground water out" pipe, on which three small sump pumps ($2/day) are connected. If they fail the water will rise in the lowest level of the bunker to about 1 inch where it will then flow into the french drain pipe. This way the bunker can never be flooded again, ever. The pic that I like to post >pic is from 12 years worth of water collecting after the military pulled the plug on their pumps.

>>837229
how is there no mould on the walls

...or is it entirely covered?

>>837229
is that the lowest point of the bunker though?
I sort of remember photos of bottomless shafts filled with water and for some reason imagined this was only the first floor of a missile silo

>>837073
What if you were to build the bunker in the form of artificial crab meat? Would that scare the water?

>>837232
What would they live off?

>>837233
Kind of, the are some small rooms that are lower in other parts, but those have the three pump stations to support them. That room is drained by the passive pipes, so it flows out by itself at around 6 feet bellow the floor to the french drain pipe and then out ~2km away.

>same place after two months of drainage

>>837004
I've been at this ubject for quite a while, the easiest and cheapest way is burying a giant steel bridge drum (pic related) since they dont cost a fucking shittonne of money, and because they are round they CAN WITHSTAND THE EARTHS WEIGHT BY EARTH ARCING (this is the important bit, earth arcing) because burying a shipping container will crunch it like a can of beer,

so what you need is as follows:

! a piece of land that can be dug, preferably gravel/sand soil, preferably not on a lowland since water can be issue, clay land is a bit questionable since it can shift easier than sand and gravel if it gets wet enough

2. one or more of these giant steel bridge pipes in pic related

3. excavator that you can use to move the soil,

4. shittonne of various this and that for constructing the bulkheads for the drum pipes, and entrances to your secret little fap-cave, ofcourse getting water and electricity to your cave is a matter up to you.

but thats basically it, the easiest way to go, cost of this would vary on where and how you get the materials and the excavator but would average out on aroudn 5000 - 15 000 dollars, depending on getting the materials

>>837004
>burying a prefab steel barn

The only thing that would be useful for is a form for pouring a structural concrete shell over it. You'd need a shit load of support timbers inside the barn to hold it up until the concrete cured 100%. I'd also highly recommend spraying the outside of the prefab metal with truck bed liner. This will protect it from corrosion on the concrete side. The best would be 3 thick layers of truck bed liner. One on each side of the metal and one to seal the outside of the concrete. This stuff will double as both moisture protection and structural protection/support.

This will cost a fucking shit load of money. you are better off spending a shitload of money on a prefab underground shelter that is rated for underground use. The corrugated pipe ones are pretty nice.

>>837012
>If you get a shipping container and you don't bury it too far, you'll be fine.

100% wrong. Even 18 inches of soil will completely crush a shipping container and the sides will bow in from lateral pressure. It'll look like a half crushed soda can pretty soon.

http://www.atlassurvivalshelters.com/aboutus/nbc/installation/

http://www.atlassurvivalshelters.com/prices/

These really are your best bet for safety. All it takes is one slip up in one area and you are crushed/trapped. Also, their "oversized shipping container" are extremely well supported and nothing like what you see normally.

Personally, I'd do the corrugated ones.
http://www.atlassurvivalshelters.com/aboutus/nbc/corrugated/

>>837012
>If you get a shipping container and you don't bury it too far, you'll be fine.

Well that's the wrongest thing anyone has said in this thread.

http://www.prepper-resources.com/what-happens-when-you-bury-a-shipping-container-a-cautionary-tale/

>>837281
>http://www.atlassurvivalshelters.com/aboutus/nbc/corrugated/
it seems that somebody was actually using my drum pipe idea >>837251 already on industrial scale

>>837004
look into large diameter culvert pipe

You need to be very careful when you bury anything. Dry dirt is 75 lbs per cubic ft. Also air is very important. Most structures cant handle the load of anything more than 2-3 feet of dirt. That style of building you posted, also called a Quonset hut has very poor compression load ratings, snow can crumple it in. They use it as an interior wall but not a load bearing wall, its fast and cheap to put up. If you do decide to do this, don't just bury a steel shipping container. You would need hard steel beams, very thick concrete slabs. Easiest thing is to either bury a small concrete room 2-3 feet down or consider buying an old missile silo or base.

>>837248
the solution to drainage problems is to drill deeper.

In Russia they drilled a hole so deep into the earth it started melting the drill.

run your drain down the hole an let the earth's core turn it to steam.
then you can use the steam to clean your carpets.

OP here.
Wow there's really a lot of good advice and information here. Thank you all for your help.

>>837277
>Even 18 inches of soil will completely crush a shipping container and the sides will bow in from lateral pressure.

48' x 8' shipping container (designed to stack 10 high) Roof surface area 384 sqft or 55,296 square inches.

48' x 8' of soil @ 18 inch = 21.3 cubic yards
1 cuyd soil is 1 ton if it's rocky
that gives us 42,600 lbs of soil
on 55,296 square inches of roof.
42,600/55,296 = 0.77 psi

wind blows harder than 0.77 psi you moron

I want some of that shit you're smoking.

>>837517
>my maths must be more true than a fucking established fact from experiments
dont be this guy kids

>>837496
>the solution to flooding is to make more holes for it to fill in
that is so fucking clever

>>837517
>roof this, roof that
stupid. the walls are what cave in.

>>837517
Look at where the bracing/reinforcing is in a shipping container.
You can stack them 10 high because the corners take the weight when when stacking containers.
Put 21 ton on the un-braced section and let me know how you get on.

>>837527
>don't needs no engineering, my daddy tried this and failed

go figure

>>837517
>wind blows harder than .77 psi
... Do they? Do you still call that a wind or a tornado?

100mph at sea level is about .33 psi
http://www.ehow.com/how_5985528_convert-wind-speed-force.html

>>837229
Hello again bunker anon,
How big is your bunker anway?
You just said the "lower rooms" like you just have a casual 100 room 5 level complex

>>837517
You have no clue what you are talking about and you are using improper math.

>>837539
Is it just me or does the example equation on that page not add up?
>Vp = [0.6 x (44.45 m/s)2] = 2370.4 pascals
>No it doesn't

>>837517
>designed to stack 10 high)
whoa this guy just said we can burry shipping containers 10 deep!

>>837543
As long as you don't put dirt on them, I guess.

>>837545
ok, I guess Ill just go 9 containers deep and leave the 10th one off to make up for the weight of the dirt!

>>837517
>Spending all this time doing math instead of just Google-ing "crushed buried shipping container"

>>837541
I've seen the video. The container was clearly damaged before they buried it.

>You have no clue what you are talking about and you are using improper math.

orly

>>837559
>"lateral compression buffering"

fucking kek

>>837559
you should use bubble wrap for maximum compression buffering

>>837381
dry dirt can't crush steel beams

>>837566
think of them as DD breasts on a woman up against the shower glass while banging her from behind. The glass won't break because it's cushioned.
when the soil swells and contracts that container is unharmed.

>>837559
i don't think you really understand how physics works anon.
pay attention at school instead of posting here please, for your own good

>>837573
>boob physics cushioning glass from breaking
maximum virginity

>>837573
>has never had sex or taken a shower
piss off you virgin caveman.

>>837559
That's photos of more than one buried container.

>>837576
>i don't think you really understand how physics works

weight of the soil is not the biggest concern for underground building. gravity does not pull dirt side to side, it pulls downward. lateral compression is caused by water. soil swells when it gets wet, generating an incredible amount of force for a short distance. This force is not insurmountable however. Soil does not DOUBLE it's size when it gets wet, the increase is barely noticeable. Even when compounded by freezing temperatures, which add slightly more force, due to water turning into ice, again the volume increase is miniscule and can easily be calculated and preventative measures taken.

lateral compression is not an uncontrollable mythical beast with magical superpowers. It is simple physics.

>>837583
>That's photos of more than one buried container.

thats' a doublewide

>>837586
this is so dumb i cant even laugh

>>837589
that's ok bro. It wasn't meant for your eyes
stay safe

>>837532
Could you put a domed piece on top of the container to get the weight to rest on the corners then?

>>837596
no because

"lateral compression"

>>837596
what's supporting the corners?

>>837596
corners get pushed down
floor gets crushed UP

>>837603
using the physics of gravity we /diy/ have successfully created the first anti-gravity mechanism that can elevate a container into orbit

>>837004
does /diy/ have an archive? I feel this topic has been covered in the past.

>>837606
no
it folds in like a fucking fortune cookie

>>837532
this guy gets it! They stack well because the corners take the weight. The steel walls are just so thieves have a hard time getting in.

I've seen shipping containers fold in half from being ridiculously overweight. (I used to work salvage)

>>837606
No, one side goes up, the other goes down, it would start spinning forever. It's a paradox, just like a cat taped with a toast

>>837629

>>837629
At least once a month.

domes hold up pretty well underground

Why hasn't lateral compression crushed the LHC?

could build second collider tunnel out of shipping containers for a fraction of the cost of the original

>>837496
have fun with sudden magma eruptions, anon.

asshole and retards the lot of you.

>>837072
He posted somewhere 4 days ago. It was either on /diy/ or /out/. It was a picture. One of the blast doors he was working on was almost done.

>>837685
Fucking moron.

Yo, how about spraying the sides in 5' of expandable foam? That would solve the side issue.

Not sure about the top

>>837685
>Why hasn't lateral compression crushed the LHC?
Look at the walls. It's built in a culvert, not a shipping container.

>>837702
>asshole and retards the lot of you.
that explains why you have an erection

>>837048
>I know the government insists that you must give everything you have to the poor when the shit hits the fan
Is that a real thing? Duty to share supplies in an emergency?

>>837761
laws against preppers
can't have more than 30 day food stores
can't collect and store rainwater
a zillion crazy laws out there.

the average american violates 10,000 federal laws a day

>>837762
Maybe in Commiefornia, but I really can't believe that's the norm for the rest of the country.

>>837765
>Maybe in Commiefornia,

FEDERAL go look that word up

>>837004
>secret
>diy
>government still owns your land

>>837762
>can't collect and store rainwater
>FEDERAL go look that word up

Nope, that was a law in Colorado only. Other states actively encourage rainwater collection, Texas and New Mexico.

Almost as if local states respond to local conditions!

The poster child for this "government abuse" (the dude who was actually prosecuted) didn't have a few water buts or even a large cistern, motherfucker built dams and a stonking great reservoir. Roughly equivalent to 20 olympic pools, dude has several boats on it.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/rainwater.asp

>>837685
because lateral compression is a new meme

LHC was built before it was born

>>837792
>Nope, that was a law in Colorado only.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/oregon-man-sentenced-30-days-jail-collecting-rainwater-his-property

>Could /diy/ tell me the down sides to burying a prefab steel barn?

It will crush and it won't drain and your idea is stupid because you were too lazy to think it out.

You can have something very similar, much better (unless someone puts a JDAM into it), and capable of surviving nuclear over pressures. It's called a HAS (Hardened Aircraft Shelter). Look up construction details because this isn't /spoonfeed/ you lazy piece of shit.

Bring money. Hundreds of the things have been built, they work, they've been tested with live ordnance. Now go away because you aren't going to build one and construction at that level is not fucking /diy/ unless you are BunkerAnon and you aren't.

>>837802
What the fuck, America?

>>837586
my point was that the same force will be transmitted through the pipe section into the container walls providing no benefit

>>837685
>visible curve
i thought this thing was supposed to be fucking massive?

>>837816
freedom is only a thing as long as it doesn't interfere with the moneyed interests. In this case, widespread storing of rain water could lead to problems for big agriculture etc

>>837837
it's not the size of the earth... it only has a radius of 4.3 km... def visible...
plus this may be a picture of one of the smaller rings that feed the big one

>>837685
triangles are strong that's how.

>>837072
Ive seen bunkrebro on /g/ a few times, he is using some of the left over equipment and cable to start his own ISP. posted it about 2 weeks ago but no word on how its going.

>>837248
Im sure you have been asked this about a million times, but, how did you acquire this?
Or more to the point, how would I go about finding one.

>>837838
When in reality it would actually HELP with the water problem. They even have fucking greywater laws that prevent you from capturing and using the greywater. WTF? It is Water Saving 101 to reuse greywater as much as possible before using new water.

>>837753
>>837559
>lateral compression buffering

That's fucking stupid.

Do you know what happens when you apply 5 pounds of force to a compression spring? The spring will apply 5 pounds of force to whatever is on the opposite end.

>>837762
>can't have more than 30 day food stores

Source please.

>>837792
You mean he built an unlicensed pond and was using it as a pond. If he actually applied for the permits and got them through proper channels instead of being a complete asshole to the local establishments he'd had been allowed to legally build the pond(s) he wanted to build. But, no, he decided to be a fucking asshole to everyone BEFORE he even asked for permits and this is the shit he gets for it when he decides to build the pond anyway. He didn't even have it properly surveyed I bet since they won't survey anything like that without a permit. He could have created a serious flood disaster building that on his own. That is why they are throwing everything law in the book at him.

When do things the right way, you get things done.

>>837871
This. Whenever you get these 'woman faces jailtime for geothermal!' or other stories its usually that the person involved is doing something monumentally stupid and being a total fucknut about it.

Nobody is getting fined for a barrel of gray water for their garden.

>>837866
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr6oOMXFhR8

>>837880
Thats really not bad for half a mil.
I would really like to find one and do something like this to it but I would be more interested in making something like a hackerspace/datacenter along with a small living quarters.
I supposes ill have to go do some research on anything built in my area from WW2 or cold war era and find out how to test the integrity of the structure. the machinery and other equipment would be the easy part, the walls would be expensive to upkeep I would think.

>>837886
There are several of these bunkers in MO and KS the "hub" of the US.
Finding something in you area might be harder.

>>837903
I was looking around and found this...

>>837907
Atlas F sites. WA CA NY NM KS TX CO NE MO

>>837911
http://w3.uwyo.edu/~jimkirk/atlas.html

>>837907

Superb. Makes you wonder what these cavemen were dreaming of.

>>837004

Man I don't know what it is about buildings within buildings but it gives me a such a good feeling. Like I NEED it.

>>837911
There is a decomd NIKE base near my home on IL. May have to go snooping again and call a realtor

>>837907
>boards.4chan...
What board is it? I'm guessing /b/?

>>837911
>all those NE silos around Lincoln
to think i've driven by at least half of those

>>837004
>>837034
These are horse barns, not underground worthy

>>837036
This either, also not underground worthy.

Just build a basement ya dingus

I have had an idea.
a dream really....
because these are relatively cheap, have a site wide campaign to buy one and delegate responsibility to each board for repair and updates in an anacrocapitolist/communist type society
>/g/ in charge of tech infrastructure and hosting the site
>/biz/ in charge of funding and procurement
>/diy/, /o/ and /sci/ in charge of repair and set up of sustainable infrastructure
>/k/ in charge of security
>/adv/ and /out/ will do scout and recon
>/trv/ and /n/ in charge of logistics
>/p/ , /int/ and /pol/ will run PR
>/b/, /s4s/ and /mlp/ are permaB&
at 20M visitors a month, its like $.50 each.

>>838017
$.50

>>838020
Is it running arch linux?

>>838020
>>838028
>also, implying you need iron mountain scale data center to run a website.
honestly, who would trust a 4chan based micro-nation with their data

>>838030
4chan user group's new android based data center to be constructed 100' underground in an abandoned missile silo dubbed "4can" has a theoretical peak performance of over 9000 petaflops, or more than 9000 quadrillion calculations per second. This will enable researchers across the scientific arena, from materials to climate change to astrophysics, to acquire unparalleled accuracy in their simulations and achieve research breakthroughs more rapidly than ever before. 4can will be the fastest supercomputer porn server the world has ever seen.
croud-funding has thus far raised 50cents towards it's estimated $1B construction cost.

>>838037
>thus far raised 50cents towards it's estimated $1B construction cost.
in true 4chan fashion...

>>838030
>who would trust a 4chan based micro-nation with their data

>>838101
oh god...why...

>>838104
clean your pc
it'll be faster they said

>>838124
oh my god...
how much of that is cat hair?!

>>838126
a lot of it is cat food

>>838126

>>837034
why are there two horses crudely photoshopped into this picture

>>838163
>anon, that my dirty spot
>Its all dirty kohai
I worked as a easy tech/ geeksquad guy for a while and lots of machines like this. I found a dead cat in one. A FUCKING DEAD CAT! no shit.

>>837004
look up load bearing capabilities of lvls if not you'll need steel ibeams for headers, the walls would need to be steel meaning galvanized rust will kill it. Also for 4chans sake buy some engineering software or p****e some and figure out your "dirt" load you'll need I beams buy a used steel building

>>838163
>Smoker's house in Mojave desert