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Hello /diy/. I'm wondering how you feel about tiny houses? Ever thought of building one?

>> No.746228

>>746221

They're tiny

>> No.746233

>>746221
>Hello /diy/. I'm wondering how you feel about tiny houses?
They're tiny
>Ever thought of building one?
Not really.
I do kinda wonder about the intellect of the people who do, and how they waste time & effort trying to make it look like a little version of a normal house.

In OP's picture for example, here's what I see wrong:
1--they wasted valuable floor space by building a porch
2--they wasted money on windows, and even more money on heat/air conditioning due to thermal loss through windows (walls insulate better)
3--they wasted storage space (inside, on the interior walls) on windows
4--they wasted a lot of time & money on siding to make it look like a house, when trailers don't have building codes that require it and there is cheaper & faster materials around for that.

In the USA, the whole concept of a tiny house is that it is built on a trailer. Any structure built on a trailer is not considered permanent, and so is not required to follow building codes.

>> No.746239
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746239

They're trailers homes for sheltered high school kids that come from money..

Just awful.

>> No.746253

>>746221
There's really no point to them in the real world because they're too small. Personally I think that someone who willingly wants to spend money and effort making such a thing to live in has some sort of mental illness.

>> No.746256

Cabinporn.com no joke
cool examples

>> No.746257

just get a trailer

>> No.746259
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>>746221
Hong Kong it for a year, get it out of your system.

>> No.746286

My house is 1200 sq. Its a trailer. I hate it. Living small is fine ... if u have no pets n live alone n go to the laundramat.

I have a wife. Too many cats n a kid on the way. We have to move.

>> No.746292

That is too damn small. My house is 1362 sq ft. It's a 2 story and I like only having a 784 sq.ft. downstairs. It's just me and my girlfriend though and we aren't going to have kids. 2 dogs are enough.

>> No.746296

>>746233
I disagree.
>>746221
Yes I like this to an extent. I do like modern western houses except for 1 thing - the bedroom. The bedroom is a fucking waste of space. I'd rather have a bigger lounge/living room or rooms, and 1 or 2 sleeping rooms for the family.
People say to me 'But then what about sex? Where do you do it?' My answer? If the only place you're having sex is in the bedroom you're already dead.

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>>746233
>1--they wasted valuable floor space by building a porch
Maybe, but it depends on how one would use the space instead. Judging by other pics of this tiny house, it seems the owners have a pretty good handle on how to economize the space they use.
>2--they wasted money on windows, and even more money on heat/air conditioning due to thermal loss through windows (walls insulate better)
>3--they wasted storage space (inside, on the interior walls) on windows
I agree with these points, I don't see myself putting in more than one window and maybe a sky light. This guy has windows on every side of his home. I think the idea was to maximize the use of natural light. Since they live in California, I imagine the need for climate control isn't very great,, as the weather down there is pretty warm.
>4--they wasted a lot of time & money on siding to make it look like a house, when trailers don't have building codes that require it and there is cheaper & faster materials around for that.
I'm fairly certain the siding was recovered, as well as other materials used.

>>746239
>They're trailers homes for sheltered high school kids that come from money..
K.

>>746256
>Cabinporn.com no joke
Dope, thanks m8!

>>746259
>Hong Kong it for a year, get it out of your system.
absolutelydisgusting.jpg

>>746286
Sorry to hear about your troubles man. I live with my gf currently and we only have a hamster. If I build a tiny house, I plan on selling it when we start a family and using the money towards a down payment.

bumping with pics of interior of OP pic

>> No.746302

>>746221
I loathe tiny living surfaces. Not because of claustrophoby but because I simply enjoy large rooms with lots of things avaliable at a whim.

>> No.746310

Personally I really dig it. It means learning to live a compact life. You don't have room for junk, or 30 pairs of clothes or shoes. It is not any different than living in a small trailer or RV really. There are positives with either option I suppose.

>> No.746332

>>746297
who the fuck is gonna buy your tiny house?

>> No.746335
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>>746332
There is a market for tiny houses, a market that has grown steadily the last 40ish years. There's a website called Tumbleweed that sells customized tiny houses and does other tiny house related shit.

I'm not expecting to turn a huge profit or something, just enough to make a down payment on a modest family home.

>> No.746347

>>746335

many desirable urban/suburban areas will not allow such tiny dwellings with their zoning laws

only shitsville/hicksville areas mostly allow it

because no on wants to live there

>> No.746352

>>746335
>five years later
>Headlines: Communities of midgets baffled as maker of fun-sized houses lives in regular home

>> No.746355

>>746233
>2--they wasted money on windows, and even more money on heat/air conditioning due to thermal loss through windows (walls insulate better)
>3--they wasted storage space (inside, on the interior walls) on windows
So you'd be OK living in a closet? You have absolutely zero claustrophobia? You wouldn't feel like you were living in a prison cell if it had no windows? Are you the kind of person who would paint the walls a dark color (if not flat black), too? I have news for you: Most people would feel suffocated living in a tiny box with no windows. Windows have the psychological effect of opening up the space, making it seem larger than it actually is. The extreme example of this would be an entire wall that is one big window. Also, apparently you're not familiar with double- or triple-pane windows, which have a high 'R' factor compared to a single-pane window. Also, no storage space? So, you own NOTHING and need NOTHING where you live? I'm beginning to see a picture of an actual convict or an ex-convict, who is so used to living in a 6 foot by 8 foot space, and having little-to-nothing in the way of personal posessions, because other inmates would steal from you. Is that you? If so you have my sympathy, but frankly you're broken in specific and profound ways from your experience, your thought patterns do not reflect what is typical.

>> No.746356

>>746355
Oh and by the way: I'm this guy: >>746253. I think the entire idea is totally whacked out.

>> No.746357

There houses are popular,

You can buy a section of land and put a house like this on it, and bam livan mortage free

>> No.746361

>>746357
>..and bam (living) (mortgage) free
(corrections mine)
You still have to pay property tax, and as some other Anon said, apparently there are building codes in many places that would prohibit such houses to be built in the first place (I believe it, at least).

>> No.746367

>>746361
It's either be a mobile home or nothing. If its nothing you'll have problems getting utilities.

>> No.746383
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My favorite one was an old Airstream that someone modified and built an Arizona room onto it.

>> No.746384

>>746221
I think they're neatt but with the way real estate actually works it is very rare to find yourself in a situation where building such a thing would make any kind of sense.

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>>746221
>Hello /diy/. I'm wondering how you feel about tiny houses?
Humm, I've always though that one would be nice for a "my first home" sort of thing.
>Ever thought of building one?
Yea, I figure if I can find some cheap as shit land, I could pour a pad of concrete and buy one of those large two story sheds from the Home Depot or something. >>>pic related, it's the one I would want. I built one on the website that makes 'em, no more than 20k. Leaves me with a home that needs roughly 50k in work. (i hope) 18 x 36 with a grambrel roof and 8 feet in wall height. It looks like this.

>> No.746400

>>746383
See now this is awesome.

>> No.746406
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>>746400
I love it, here's the Arizona room. It's the kitchen and dining area.

>> No.746412

>>746233
>>746239
>>746253
This, this, and this. Furthermore:
1. You will only ever find the water/electric hookups in an RV/trailer park. Your trendy millennial box house has to sit amidst trailer trash if you want water and power. Are you okay with that?

2. Alternatively, you could use water/electric hookups on property that you actually own. But if you have property, why not build a bigger house on it? Unless you're trying to make a statement about materialism, don't tell me you have land but only the budget to make a house smaller than a Tuff Shed.

3. If you're just going to haul this thing around and use it as a comfy living area when you're on vacation, why not get a camper? They are cheaper and were designed for it.

>> No.746414

>>746412
>why not build a bigger house on it?
Most people do it as a "fuck you" to local building codes

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This is another awesome one. It's built into an old boiler room

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746419

>>746418

>> No.746437

>>746221

No, I'm planning on building a small house. Already have the land and utilities built in.

Gonna be ~1000 sq ft.

2/1.5 with a separate 3 car garage built post style.

MIGHT go carriage house for the garage... not sure yet.

>> No.746460

Big fan of small cabins, Not a fan of tiny trailerhomes.

>> No.746463

>>746259
Look at all the cosmetics and other crap they have, they could have substantially more comfort if they made better use of the space.

>> No.746468

>>746296
>Yes I like this to an extent. I do like modern western houses except for 1 thing - the bedroom. The bedroom is a fucking waste of space. I'd rather have a bigger lounge/living room or rooms, and 1 or 2 sleeping rooms for the family.
>People say to me 'But then what about sex? Where do you do it?' My answer? If the only place you're having sex is in the bedroom you're already dead.
Depends on the country you are in.
In the USA, if children are over a certain age (12 I think) and they are different sexes, they aren't supposed to sleep in the same bedrooms.

>> No.746473

>>746361
>You still have to pay property tax, and as some other Anon said, apparently there are building codes in many places that would prohibit such houses to be built in the first place (I believe it, at least).
The usual reason that you can't have a tiny house on a given plot of land is if the land is incorporated into a town.

Towns have zoning laws that essentially prevent living in trailers or mobile homes, because the zoning law says that you can't have utility hookups put in JUST for a trailer,,,, there already has to be a zoning-approved house on the property, and you would need to run 'temporary' electrical and sewer connections off that,,,,, but that defeats the purpose of the little trailer house.

So your plot of land basically has to be 'in the country', or at least, outside of any city limits.
Or you could rent a lot in a trailer park, since those are granted exemptions from the permanent-structure utilities rule. But then you're paying a lot fee, that includes a profit margin into someone else's pocket.

>> No.746481

>>746473
This. These are just self-built mobile homes for hipsters who wouldn't be caught dead in one that's pre-built.

>> No.746483
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>>746414
You mean like this guy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJkBlqLJLWA

Seems like less of the angsty teen bullshit and more like a grown man enjoying fucking with the building code. I mean, it took him a long time to do this. He's also single.

He had to cut through red tape left and right to get this shit done. The way he talks about it just makes me laugh.

>> No.746489

>>746483
Most people don't use micro-apartments for the lulz. You've got to understand that some cities have ridiculous rental prices. I live in Vancouver where a crummy studio apartment near downtown is at least $1000/month. Most of my friends can only afford a small bedroom in a shared apartment and would love to move into a place like that.

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>>746489
I understood that he wasn't doing it for "the lulz". Housing is fucking expensive and as he states, he wanted a higher quality of housing, but couldn't afford it in Seattle at a large scale. He mentions he sold his previous house.

Although, for 930 a month, I pay my mortgage on my 4-bed, 2-bath. It's ridiculous how expensive some of those cities can be.

>> No.746505

>build house the size and appearance of a tiny garage
>build giant garage and workshop the size and appearance of a regular house
>tell zoning board you're using each building for the opposite purpose
>????????
>profit

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>>746491
A friend of mine lives in San Francisco. He rents a studio apartment and pays $1,200 a month. Its fucking tiny and the building is 107 years old. Its about $800 cheaper then similar units in the same building because be moved in before the huge Silicone Valley rush of the last 10 years or so and he has rent control. The thing is smaller than the shittiest hotel room I've ever stayed in and would go for around $400 a month where I live, even being a college town.

Nice O'Keefe and Merritt knock off of the Tappan Fabulous 400. I'd love to actually get to use one of those to see how they are. I saw a Frigidaire Flair in a house a few years back and it blew my mind. Shame they don't make that style of over-on-top stove anymore. I hear they are a huge pain in the ass to replace without redesigning the kitchen too.

>> No.746514

>>746509
I don't own that stove. I took that picture, though. It was in a house I looked at when I was on the prowl for mine a few months ago. That house was like a a well-kept model of the 50's. It was pretty insane.

>> No.746522

>>746221
The concept of the "Tiny House" is just a re-hash of old school cabin living with a dash of min/maxing applied. They're people who want the cheap hermit life but still want to play with their ipads and travel the world and shit. Re-hash of an age old concept with a different generatoin. I'm all for it though. Personally I think it would eventually drive people insane, especially a couple. I think it's a far better idea to buy land, build a larger structure to building code, and either add to the structure later, or build your "dream home" when you have the cash.

I sympathize with the tiny housers more than people who buy conventional houses. Buying a cookie cutter mcmansion is the epitome of wasting money. All these people I work with buy houses close to work when 1 town over (10-20 min) houses are literally half the price, and actually built to an r-value that doesn't cost you hundreds extra a month in winter heating bills.

>> No.746523

>>746505
You still get boned in the ass on property taxes in this situation though. With that said, it's been my experience that as long as you pay the taxes they assess on your improvements and they aren't constructed with equal parts Jim Beam and gross negligence, they don't give a fuck

>> No.746524
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746524

25m2, maximum of 4m height. Allowed to be built on your land in Sweden without permit aka "attefallshus", anything larger you need permits for.

>> No.746526

>>746524
And how much would that cost?

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>>746526
They usually go for about $30k-$50k, the pre-made mass production models are a bit cheaper.

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>>746526
Just google pic attefallshus and you should be able to find a few hundred models.

>> No.746559

I find a lot of houses to be unnecessarily big, though I don't like cramped houses either, like those trailer things.

My ideal house would be somewhat bigger than those tiny houses on wheels and without the wheels.
I like some breathing space and I like my house to have it's place in the landscape.

It's just a dream, I don't know how I could realise it, building codes are still too strict imo, I don't live in America either so living in a trailer is not an option.

>> No.746563

>>746559
So you are looking for the 400 to 800 sq ft houses. I noticed that Tumbleweed now sells plans for those houses too since those little 80-160 sq ft houses are very niche. They come in 1 or 2 bedrooms and some have a loft as well.

>> No.746566

>>746563
I don't really like the tumbleweed designs and building style, I'm more tempted to design and build my own house.

I don't have the time or resources to do any housebuilding though, I'm not rich and I don't own any land, that's why I said it's still a dream.

>> No.746652

For everyone discussing property tax: http://www.tax-rates.org/taxtables/property-tax-by-state

Sort of the opposite of what I expected, I thought property taxes would be more expensive on the coasts and get cheaper as you head inland, but the rates just seem pretty sporadic. I live on the west coast, the rates seem okay here. And if I live in a tiny house and don't have a mortgage to worry about, all the better.

>> No.746658

good in cottage country, not much else.

if you have a need for a sleep camp, a tiny house fits the bill, but nobody wants to live in a shed long term.

>> No.746676

They work for a very tiny very specific niche market.

You can build a strong small building on a pressure-treated base for not a lot of cash, but then you'd have to outfit it as a home. Most people aren't down with shitting in an outhouse in winter so that means plumbing.

Most people don't live in tiny houses or shipping containers because they aren't good solutions for most people. What is proven by the millions are single-wide mobile homes. You can cut a deal on a repo when the season is slow. You can also find deals on mobile office trailers. RV trailers can be had used for cheap with some searching but don't buy a junker because deteriorated trailers are rarely worth fixing. RVs with engines can be had very cheap and don't need to run if you can get it towed to your location.

I have a tiny-house-sized (for tax reasons) building I use as a chicken coop. We built it strongly and if we want to turn it into a cabin all that's needed is to sweep it out, remove the perches and nesting boxes and do an interior. (Linoleum ensures no shit penetration to the floor and that's covered with fresh straw.) It ran about three grand with used residential door and windows. Shitter, shower, plumbing and RV water/graywater/blackwater tanks would be another couple grand. Minimal wiring about 300 bucks depending if I scored a good used subpanel.

What that demonstrates is by the time you get done you might as well have bought a stripped repo single-wide or office for a couple-few grand more if you want a place to live. Either way you need power and eventually a septic tank though if I were in a very rural location I'd straight pipe it to a deep ditch instead. I'm in the South so add more for northern tier insulation and heating.

I suggest people interested in tiny houses build a shed/workshop the same size and see how you really like it. You'll need someplace to hang while you build whatever you end up building.

>> No.746757

They're stupid, like RC helicopters: Load capacity is ridiculously small and very limited range. Or how about rock climbing? Just use a ladder, dumbfuck. Did you guys know that some people ride single speed bicycles instead of bikes with gears? And that some people ride bicycles instead of motorbikes? Or that some people ride motorcycles instead of cars? And that some people drive instead of taking a taxi? Some people even supe up cars to the point that they're not even street legal, and they just ride them round and around muddy tracks. They try to go around as fast as possible, not going anywhere in particular. Fucking idiots, the lot of them, right guys? Right?

It's a fucking hobby. It's an exercise of optimisation. It's about cramming as much as possible into an as small a package as possible, mostly for the hell of it, but also to learn ways of getting as much as possible out of dwellings of any size.

>> No.746771

>>746757
Chill the kiddy rage. People are curious and should know all aspects of what they are getting into. Plenty of people who are quite capable carpenters build tiny houses and they know what's involved. The tiny house suits their desired result.

I wrench cars/trucks/motorcycles too and I don't keep fucking secrets about the real pros and cons of what an owner can choose to do with them. If they are informed they can optimise without frustrating thrashing due to no one warning them what doesn't suit some purposes!

For example there are smart ways to build performance vehicles and unproductive ways like picking parts from a catalog and throwing them together hoping they work. Internet forums are a great way to learn from the MISTAKES and EXPERIENCE of others so you can build on it. I'm not too proud to do research nor should anyone else be.

For someone who NEEDS lodging, a house, any house, is a solution to a specific problem which VARIES by location, income and ability.

You'll notice the best houses, any size, reflect thoughtful planning.

>> No.746776

>>746771
>Chill the kiddy rage.
Cute.

Now read my post again, idiot.

>> No.746792

>>746771
you're embarrassing for responding to this person and they're embarrassing for posting at all pls do not encourage them

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>>746531
Wasteful. Looking at these pics, it appears that most of these tiny houses are built on rather large lots. Now, I've got nothing against saving a few bucks on unneeded floor space. But if you want to save some real money and reduce the impact on the environment, scale up the floor plan a bit and don't live on acreage out in the middle of nowhere. Your impact on the environment is not trivial if you have to drive miles to the general store.

>> No.746911

>>746771
I don't like the fact you responded.
>but I do like the fact you responded with common friggin sense, so it makes up for it. If only a little.

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746951

What do you guys think of Nomad homes?

http://www.nomadmicrohomes.com/

My dream is to buy an isolated peice of land, plop one of these fuckers in there, and the create the perfect getaway enviroment.

>> No.746960

>>746951
I think if I were interested I'd run the money numbers to see what makes the most sense.

Get as much land as you can and cheap out on a first house of you must to afford the land, because you can upgrade structures more easily than buying more land.

I wouldn't want less than the 5 acres I have now.

>> No.746962

>>746951
I'm sure that for the same price, you could build yourself a real house with the same floor area and without ridiculous stairs going directly over your food preparation area.

>> No.746963

>>746771
>For someone who NEEDS lodging, a house, any house, is a solution to a specific problem which VARIES by location, income and ability.

A euphemistic way of saying living in tiny houses is a lifestyle choice, a self-caused problem.

>> No.746964

>>746951
>10ft x 10ft
They look cute but ridiculously small.

>> No.746968

>>746962
People looking at that sort of home want art, not a house. The size is the appeal.

For much less one of my bros had a 40x60 shell erected on a slab foundation. Basically a shop building. He heavily insulated it with foam sheet and easily heats all of it with a potbelly stove. The high ceilings give good internal airflow. He made a loft-style living area in the back half and it's cozy as fuck.

>> No.746970

>>746968
>For much less one of my bros had a 40x60 shell erected on a slab foundation. Basically a shop building. He heavily insulated it with foam sheet and easily heats all of it with a potbelly stove. The high ceilings give good internal airflow. He made a loft-style living area in the back half and it's cozy as fuck.

Basically what I wanted to do since I was young. Big open plan with tall ceilings, bedrooms and office in the loft. Congrats to your buddy for living the dream.

>> No.746976

My thread from yesterday is still up. Noice!

>>746676
I'll definitely have to undertake some kind of practice project, if only to become more familiar with carpentry (I used to build sets for a theater, but that probably won't get me very far.)

>>746848
>Your impact on the environment is not trivial if you have to drive miles to the general store.
Never thought of that kind of thing. I'll have to keep this in mind when scoping for property.

>>746963
>A euphemistic way of saying living in tiny houses is a lifestyle choice, a self-caused problem.
It's got its challenges, but I've yet to come across a tiny house owner who ultimately regretted the decision once they have the house up and running, so to speak. Also, everything one does is a fucking lifestyle choice one way or another m8.

>>746968
This sounds pretty nice, I imagine things like plumbing and electric hookups are easier to deal with as well.

>> No.746979

>>746976
>Never thought of that kind of thing. I'll have to keep this in mind when scoping for property.
But at the same time, a small house requires less material to build and less energy to heat. If you really want to be environmentally-friendly, you can build a big shed to store all your provisions.

>> No.746989

>>746221
They're an interesting post-gfc American thing, I think they're a great way to learn the basics of carpentry, but I think the dickheads to try to make businesses out of the trend and the nascent amount of articles by insufferable twats that live in them need to leave.

I think it's really indicative how many of these people don't have kids, or a e single.

>> No.746995

>>746522
>All these people I work with buy houses close to work when 1 town over (10-20 min) houses are literally half the price
How?
Info?

>> No.746996

>>746995
Any small town outside a major city will have radically lower house prices.

>> No.746997

>>746297
>Since they live in California, I imagine the need for climate control isn't very great,, as the weather down there is pretty warm.

Depends on the season and area. Judging by their looks, they don't live in the warm areas near the desert. There's no way they would be living in that tiny house all year round. It would be very cold during the winter.

>> No.747002

>>746522
The issue is that longer commute times between work and home can affect mental health. This usually isn't an issue for people who take public transportation, but when you spend an hour almost every day just driving, you build up a lot of lost time and lost satisfaction.
If you lived five minutes from work I'm sure you would have an immediate improvement in quality of life, not considering the difference between housing situations in the city and in the 'burbs.

>> No.747003

>>746996
It would be the next four towns over for there to be any significant difference in housing price, making a trip to the city over an hour. Such is life when you allow foreign investment in property, and the chinese decide it's a great way to lock up their wealth.

>> No.747086

>>746997
This. California doesn't end when you leave Los Angeles county. I know all you easterners are used to your states being the size of parking lots but thats not how we roll out west. We have valleys, coasts, deserts, mountains, etc out here. I live in the Sacramento valley and its a balmy 34 degrees F outside right now. While I know thats nothing compared to Maine this time of year you'll definitely be wanting some insulation in your walls. It regularly tops 100 degrees here in the summer too. It gets even hotter in some places, even colder in others. Get up in the mountains and you have to shovel snow for half the year.

>> No.747095

See, if people feel like they only want to live in a smaller amount of space, and they want to live in an urban environment (small, old houses), they tend to renovate and use the other floors as rental units. That way, you collect mad cash while living in your house (pays itself off), and you can sell the whole damned thing when you're done. Young people do this with their own houses, because renters tend to be young, and at a younger age, you haven't yet developed some extreme sense of "muh property" / homeowner's pride.

Anyway, I like small houses, so I can live within my means (not have wasted rooms or spaces that get too dirty). Tiny houses are crazy, though.

Also, OP, you should well know where /diy/'s opinion of tiny houses is. Don't we have this thread like every other week?

>> No.747194

>>746355
>So you'd be OK living in a closet? You have absolutely zero claustrophobia? You wouldn't feel like you were living in a prison cell if it had no windows?
In this sort of a living situation (a tiny home) you are never more than 3 or 4 paces from the door. And you could have a regular door that opens inside and a storm door that opens outside, so you could just leave the regular door open if you wanted a window.

>Also, apparently you're not familiar with double- or triple-pane windows, which have a high 'R' factor compared to a single-pane window.
Yea, I know about them. I also know that they cost a lot of money and they still don't insulate as well as a wall does, and the whole justification for a tiny home is to do it cheap.

>Also, no storage space? So, you own NOTHING and need NOTHING where you live?
That's not what I meant.
What I meant was that the people in OP's picture wasted a lot of potential storage space on the interior, by putting in so many windows. They would have had more room for cabinets and shelves without the windows.

A *skylight* I would understand, to benefit from free daylight--and you probably wouldn't be storing anything on the ceiling anyway. Although I did see a custom RV once where they had a piece of sheet metal on the kitchen area ceiling, and they had all the pots and pans and bigger utensils stuck to the ceiling with magnets. It was a pretty neat idea because you could instantly see where all the pots and utensils were at once. -And it didn't take up any cabinet space either.

When you are building a living space so small I tend to feel that it is a waste of effort to try to make it "seem" larger. Because it's clearly not going to be.

>> No.747220

>>746848
Who would use a car?!
Make all the food you need in your garden + hunt.

>> No.747223

>>747194
>In this sort of a living situation (a tiny home) you are never more than 3 or 4 paces from the door. And you could have a regular door that opens inside and a storm door that opens outside, so you could just leave the regular door open if you wanted a window.
I've never seen a storm door with any type of insulation, and I live in Canada. This simply wouldn't be an option for people who live in cold areas.

>Yea, I know about them. I also know that they cost a lot of money and they still don't insulate as well as a wall does, and the whole justification for a tiny home is to do it cheap.
The point of a tiny home is to either be sustainable, minimalist, or a middle finger to the municipality. Small windows aren't expensive anyway.

>When you are building a living space so small I tend to feel that it is a waste of effort to try to make it "seem" larger. Because it's clearly not going to be.
You may be surprised to hear this, but the point of making something "seem" larger is that it "seems" larger without "being" larger.

>> No.747350

>>746335

There's a market for them, but I think they're just too small to live in for an extended period. I rent a 550sqft apartment and even then we have no storage.

I do want to live in a fairly small house though. Maybe like 1000-1200 sqft would be fine.

>> No.747352

>>747350
I like to fantasize about buying a farm with my friends, building a little community of ~1000sqft houses for ourselves, and then a giant barn to be our garage/workshop.

>> No.747357

>>747352
Buy the land yourself, unless you like contract hassles later. People change and splitting property is a very bad idea. If you are the owner and lease lots to the others then if they have to move, they move but they can't sell the property out from under everyone else.

You might do well by owning a campground. The right sort attract the right people and can be quite profitable. Lots of work like any business but its pretty common.

>> No.747371

>>747357
If I lived somewhere with more hipsters, I would build an entire subdivision of tiny houses with a district heating system and sell them as condos.

>> No.747401

So I went looking at Tumbleweed's website, and didn't they used to have a ton more trailers? Like double the amount on there.

>> No.747426

>>747220
> This is what millennials actually believe
So what happens when you can't find food ? Do you plan on starving to death during winter ? Or perhaps you get disease from something you hunted and need medical help. What if your garden fails ? There's a reason we don't live like that anymore, kid.

>> No.747488

>>747426
This.

You know why they are always talking about starvation and famine in the 3rd world? Because they operate on subsistence farming. Thats growing your own food if you didn't know. A few bad years and people *die*. What happens when we have a few bad years in the developed world? The price of corn and dairy goes up, or you have to buy chicken instead of beef, or you can't get the kind of apples that you prefer.

>> No.747629

>>746259
where is the fucking door!!!?

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>tfw some of these are bigger than my apartment
living in seoul is a bitch sometimes

>> No.747659

- The cost per square foot to build is high because there is a lot of walls for relatively little floor space. When you double the perimeter, you square the area. For example, a 200 sq-ft tiny house requires ~56 linear feet of walls, while a 800 sq-ft bungalow requires ~112 linear feet of walls.
- Off-grid tiny houses require specialized appliances and fixtures that are more expensive than the commodity appliances and fixtures in a normal house. A 6 cu-ft RV fridge is $1000 while a 18 cu-ft household fridge can be purchased for $500. A complete composting toilet system can run $1500 while a household toilet can be purchased for $99 + <$100 in pipe and fittings.
- Tiny houses (as with all trailers and RVs) depreciate in value, while a normal house can appreciate in value.

>> No.747824

>>747659
>Tiny houses (as with all trailers and RVs) depreciate in value
No they don't. It's kind of the point of a tiny house, as opposed to a trailer or RV: that it's built like a house, to the standards of a house, using house materials and construction methods, giving it the maintainability of a house.

>a normal house can appreciate in value.
Generally, it's the land that can appreciate in value. A house requires upkeep and periodic renovation to retain its value. If it (rather than the land it sits on) increases in value, it's generally being upgraded.

>> No.747963

I don't see the reason you can't just buy a trailer

>> No.747974

>tfw my doublewide was cheaper and has more room than these hipster coffins

>> No.747991

>>747644
heh heh not when you stay up in hyundai hometown

>> No.748215

>>747974
>hipster coffin

kek.

>> No.748235

>>746412

>But if you have property, why not build a bigger house on it? Unless you're trying to make a statement about materialism, don't tell me you have land but only the budget to make a house smaller than a Tuff Shed.

Tiny houses are dum. I'm not rich by any means, but I do own and live on 120 acres of pasture and forest land. Already has a 100 year old house on it and a 60 year old house on it. I plan to build a yurt because I'm an angry hippy faggot at heart. Several springs on the property, or I could just run another line from the existing wellhouse. Electricity is no problem since the other dwellings have it. Or if I was feeling entitled, small PV panels. Baby bear stove inside for heating and cooking. No neighbors would see any of this weird shit, and I wouldn't have to live in proximity with trailer trash. Yurts can always be broken down, moved, stored, and sold. I wouldn't say it would cost more than 8K and a Winter + Spring of weekend work by myself for the most part, albeit I have friends and coworkers with access to most of the equipment needed to do the finer things.

Yurts don't impact the water cycle as much either. Buying the materials from local sources could be achieved, and would be preferable to sifting through recycled new construction garbage.

Yurts > tiny houses

>> No.748265

I wouldn't mind having 1/10th of the space if I could pay 1/10th of the price for it, but that's not the case with tiny homes. They are ridiculously over priced and that defeats the purpose imo.

>> No.748350

>>748265
Truth. The cheapest thing you can add to a home is square footage (or square meters for the rest of the world). Thats why a 1k square foot home isn't half the cost of a 2k square foot home.

>> No.748381

Anyone watch Tiny House Hunters on HGTV?

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>>746221
Romantic on paper, terrible in practice. I unconsciously use large movements and a bit too much force, and so in small kitchens I tend to break dishes and cups or damage delicate containers meant to expand storage use. I also feel really uncomfortable if I can only pace less than 5-6 steps from one location to another (say from dining room to bedroom), I have a large personal space so I feel uneasy in small living rooms / kitchens, and small confining showers make me REALLY uncomfortable and irritated. I don't mind cozy bedrooms or lavatories, though.

In any case, I've come to the conclusion that really small houses just aren't for me and won't serve me well when I'm old and more prone to injure myself slipping in a tiny shower or having to bend and stretch to reach storage-increasing containers.

>> No.748443

>>748265
>I wouldn't mind having 1/10th of the space if I could pay 1/10th of the price for it, but that's not the case with tiny homes. They are ridiculously over priced
It all depends on how you do it. Some people build tiny houses for a few thousand dollars. Often, a tiny house can be constructed from the leftovers after the construction of a real house, or from the reclaimed waste of renovations. It's a lot easier to find a small amount of second-hand material for a giveaway price than enough to do a house with.

Commercially-produced tiny houses are expensive because anyone who is price sensitive will build their own. Construction of a tiny house isn't intimidating like construction of a full-sized house. Also, you can't base commercial production on opportunistic bargain-hunting and scavenging.

A tiny house is something you can build in the backyard of a house you're renting, or a family member's house you're staying at. It's a very accessible kind of construction. People can build tiny houses who couldn't dream of home ownership otherwise.

It can be 1/10th the space for much less than 1/10th the money, particularly if you've got a free place to park it. It can also be really good practice before you try building a real house.

>> No.748473

>>748443
One of my friends built a small shed on property he is renting and the land lord raised his rent. Now when he can't afford the rent or wants to move else where he will have to leave it.

I think a small house is great idea if you don't have a lot of money and willing to put the effort and time into one. And if I was ever going to do this I would need at least 10 acres of land cause I hate neighbors.

>> No.748477

>>748473
>One of my friends built a small shed on property he is renting and the land lord raised his rent. Now when he can't afford the rent or wants to move else where he will have to leave it.
Well, when I was talking about building it on rented land, I meant the kind of tiny house you build on a trailer.

It's kind of common sense not to build a stationary building on rented land, unless you're getting compensated for the improvment.

>> No.748478

>>746221
Back in my day we used to just call them "Trailers"

So enjoy your fancy trailer.

>> No.748701

>>748443
How many 8-foot lengths of 2x4 do you expect to find in construction waste?

>> No.748758

>>748701
2x4s and plywood are not going to be the expensive parts of your tiny house. Sheds are cheap.

>> No.748808

4chan likes them for some reason but they're really not that good

>> No.748827

>>746524
noice

>> No.748840

>>746483
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJkBlqLJLWA
dammit i wanna live there

>> No.748845

>>748443
>Often, a tiny house can be constructed from the leftovers after the construction of a real house

Most leftovers--regardless of material--used in construction are to short or small to be usable in a project like a tiny house. The best you would find would be scraps ranging from a fraction of an inch to several feet in length.

>or from the reclaimed waste of renovations.
Materials made from recycled materials still cost money.

>>748758
>2x4s and plywood are not going to be the expensive parts of your tiny house. Sheds are cheap.

Yeah, but you're going to have to buy a lot of those materials. Costs add up quickly.

>> No.748857

How come we never have enormous house threads on /diy/?

I want to live in something built like an aircraft hangar.

>> No.748860

>>748857

1. A large portion of the appeal of DIY is the cheapness factor. Huge houses aren't cheap.

2. Things built on a large scale necessarily tend to not be very DIY-friendly.

3. At large scales, engineering things instead of just going "yeah that looks about right" (you know...so people don't die) becomes a huge deal. Most people here, myself included, don't actually have a mechanical/architectural engineering certification/degree of any kind.

>> No.748864

>>748845
>Most leftovers--regardless of material--used in construction are to short or small to be usable in a project like a tiny house.
I said "leftovers", not scraps. People don't estimate what they need perfectly, so they buy more than they need.

>Materials made from recycled materials still cost money.
Yeah, man. "Reclaimed" means exactly the same thing as "made from recycled materials".

People pull down old siding, or pull up old flooring, or remove old fixtures, and it's still perfectly good stuff, they just want to put up nicer stuff, or they have to fix stuff underneath and figure they might as well put up nicer stuff on top. But there isn't much of a market for it. It's probably going to end up as landfill.

A lot of the time you can get this stuff for free, or nearly free. People just want to get rid of it, and a lot of people actively prefer that it doesn't go to waste. A lot of this stuff ends up getting damaged in the renovations, so there isn't enough matching siding to do a whole full-sized house, but there's often plenty for a tiny house.

>you're going to have to buy a lot of those materials
What part of "tiny house" don't you understand? Is it the first part? I'm pretty sure it's the first part. That's the part that says "tiny".

>> No.748955

>>746357
I have too much stuff to attempt living in something like that.
That being said, most of humanity either lived their lives in, or is currently living their lives in, tiny, one or two room structures. An uncomfortably small house is really only a novelty for people who haven't been outside the US or Europe.

>> No.748998

>>748955
>a novelty for people

It's basically this. It's the same reason why there are people who choose to engage in dangerous activities in their free time. Rich people want to do things that poor people do. Poor people want to do things that rich people do.

>> No.749024

>>746221

It's not a bad idea, I don't really need that much space. If my small apartment was autonomous, I really couldn't complain. Could be a bit bigger, though, but someone lives with me now.

>>748857

Probably because we're robots and could comfortably live in broom closets like Bender.

>> No.749031

>>747629

I wouldn't be surprised, if it was behind the bed.

>> No.749523

>>746951
Floating stairs above kitchen bench.

That is so fucking retarded I hate to see what the rest of the thing looks like.

>> No.749559

>>749523
No shit. Enjoy some dried up mud in your soup because someone walked up the stairs. FFS, what is wrong with some people.

I get it, but from the other end. Kids moved out in stages, downsized accordingly. Empty nesting now and have the right sized place. Kinda envious now of friends that have large, party capable places. Not envious of extra area to clean and higher heating/cooling bills.

But tiny shit is retarded. Buy a fucking trailer and some wife beaters already. Then make Randy a cheeseburger.

>> No.749599

>>746848
This one is great. I think I could live in that kind of house. But I've never live in construction like this one >>746221 , anyway, I'd love to build something like this for someone else. Can someone post plans of house like this? I'd love to see them.

>> No.749727

Bump.

>> No.749865

This thread is awesome, could you post more tiny houses?

>> No.749938

The amount of money/time people spend on these things. Buy a premade for the cost of a real house and buy a truck. Or buy a trailer, buy a truck, buy/find all the materials, derp it all together.

Why not just buy an old uhaul and derp some framing in there?

>> No.749940

>>749938
I think that building tiny houses are good for improving somebody's construction skill, that's why I'd love to build something like that.

>> No.749994

>>746412
i would because they're alot cheaper to maintain than a full sized house and damn near anyone can afford that shit on the shittiest pay.
if i personally became even moderately successful while living in a tiny house i would build myself more than one tiny house in different areas as opposed to having one giant house.

>> No.750002

>>749994
>build myself more than one tiny house in different areas as opposed to having one giant house.
This idea is great.

>> No.750104

>>750002
>>749994
I would love to apart from the fact that my city kand costs around £80-130 grand for a quarter acres

>> No.750106

>>750104
This is madness.

>> No.750177

I'm on both sides of the fence on these tiny houses. Since they are trendy they have become stupidly over priced. And have turned away from their original purpose, a way to get around permits and building restrictions. But if you do them right can be great. No sqr footage means you spend more time out of the house as it should be.

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>never being able to live in a 10 by 12 foot shack
>never have all day to enjoy the Montana wilderness
>never have all day to make a super cryptography
>never write your bat-shit insane manifesto detesting modern living

It feels so bad.

>> No.750200

>>750196
I feel you.

>> No.750251

>>746524
a Nice idea ;
In Australia there are only a very-few ways around a 'permit'.
- other Aussies correct me if it has changed, but it was :
On country properties larger than 100acres you can build anything [farmhouse, shed] , yourself ; its in the BCA.
And on suburban and other small blocks the largest-thing you can build yourself without permit is an unoccupied building of no-more than 10m2 [so say 2.5m x 4m] and no-more than 2.4m high, with an average height of only 2m. ; but theoretically you can build any number of these as long as they are not "attached" : my neighbour has three! ; don't know what he keeps in there ; I've never seen a Classic car go out.

>> No.750258

>>746848
>impact on the environment is not trivial if you have to drive miles to the general store
: in a non-freezing climate [or season] definitely get a motor-bike ; 30kays from town living in total-peace; only a 20minute ride away.
Take it to extremes : make a trailer for the bike to carry fertiliser, or construction materials.
Have a cheap old car or even a 2ton truck [very economical if it's Japanese] for longer-trips or big materials.
Oh OH OH! - I am now dreaming ; A shack in the country with a part-time job in a town [not a city].

>> No.750265

>>750258
>living in a tiny house near nature
>getting supplies from general store using motorbike
How dare you, that's my dream.

>> No.750268

>>747003
"four towns over" - you're not talking about Australia are you : Four towns over in Aust is about 200kilometres away.
But then you say 'foreign investment in property . . . Chinese" hmmm that sounds like Aust : they say there are Expensive suburban streets in Melbourne , with Large Nice houses , where the water consumption doesn't reach 'single-occupancy' levels i.e. Most of the houses are UN-Occupied.
And go see the houses on the Gold Coast Canals : on some canals at least 15% of the houses are un-occupied ; many are 'party' houses that just get rented occasionally for hens-nights, then everyone flys home.
Overseas Investment.

>> No.750281

>>746468 In the USA, if children are over a certain age (12 I think) and they are different sexes, they aren't supposed to sleep in the same bedrooms.

all of my what? at your made up rules

>> No.750286

>>750281
I think he's saying that it's unusual and frowned-upon for post-pubescent children to be sharing rooms, not that there's a rule against it.

>> No.750324

>>750286
Clearly he hasn't seen how poor people live. In my neighborhood all the homes were two bedroom. Many of the people living there had 3-4 kids Only family had 6 kids. I knew one Mexican family that had 4 generations, 9 people, living in a two bedroom house. You don't need to go to the third world to see third world poverty. Hell, watch True Detective. Its like a documentary about one of the places you don't want to live in the USA.

>> No.750342

>>750286
If it's a HUD type situation there are rules to the sleeping arrangements of the family.

>> No.750347

We're looking into building some of these on our property. Mainly looking to have somewhere for guests to crash for a week or two. Biggest obstacles is supplying water and waste materials.

>> No.750350

>>750347
5gal jugs of water and a composting/incinerating toilet.

>> No.750358

>>750347
If you're going to plumb it in, whatever you do, don't undersize the waterline. Speaking from experience. I once used 3/4" pex which is merely adequate but 1" would have been a lot better.

>> No.750364

>>750347
Out where I live you can get a contractor to put in an "RV hook" for only a few hundred bucks. This depend a lot on where your sewer line is though. Its power, water, and sewage though.

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Maybe to go camping in but actually living in one is retarded

>> No.750409

>>746383
>>746406
Is that where Joe Dirt lives?

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I like the idea of compact efficient lifestyle habitats.
Making a house small is a fort.
I think converting used delivery trucks into personalized millennium falcon like RVs is the future for successful NEETs.
At least that's my dream.

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>>750552
You can get a lot of real estate out of a thirty foot box truck.
I even plan on reenforcing the roof adding stabilizer feet and using the roof as a deck for a yurt second story.

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>>750552
This is dated and doesn't show you can now buy a CastAR rig for $350 and cover the walls in cheap reflective screen turning the interior in to a wrap around interactive display.
So yeah holodeck living space can make it appear larger on the inside.
I find my self acually using small portions of my living space, like the four square feet (computer station) I live at when home, or the little kitchen table I sit at with friends. The space between holds stuff I don't interact with just store and dust.
I might not be every one but I know I'm not alone.
Don't need much to be left alone to be happy.

>> No.750578

>>746468
this is not true. at all. there is no rule or law stating how old your children can be to share a room.

>> No.750579

>>746221
i liked the idea when i thought it would be super cheap. then i realized that the cost to build one isn't much less than building an actual house.

>> No.750583

>>750552
Thanks for posting this.

>> No.750650

>>750579
Costs are relative.
It's a super-niche market so there is nobody making cheap versions and the only ones that HGTV tours were built by retired wealthy architects or something similiar and are a bad point of comparison.

Doing things yourself, economically and especially recycling waste from other building projects, you would usually see a comparative savings.

>> No.750654

>>750579
Do you have some plans to post, maybe?

>> No.750728

>>750578
>>750281
There is such a rule for military base housing for sure (it is 10 years old IIRC) and if you are receiving government assistance for housing similar rules are in place--it's one of the factors for long wait times for housing. I am telling both of you to get out from under your families middle class wings and experience real life on your own with people dissimilar to you.

>> No.750854

>>750579
Yeah way to expensive to build a tiny house.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB-MhZkYVo8
Way to /diy/ erm I mean buy it your self.
What happened to this place?
"Hey I want to build a tiny house."
"It cost to much to buy so it's stupid."

Should we rename the board to /bs/ for buying stuff?

>> No.750894

Almost everyone considering one seriously has
1) Lived in a Dorm/Efficiency
2) KNOW that they'll never afford a "Real" House to retirement age
3) Live(lets say survive) in HIGH RENT/PROPERTY centers/cant relocate for work/family/medical/etc...
4) Similarly can't afford to pay several people to do it for them/Wish to live the American dream a little bit

As always, look up local laws/zoning(or target areas zoning laws)

Tiny houses ARE cheaper to hook up to solar/wind/water/fire alternative power. As well as sewage and water reclamation(think middle of desert prices of water((H20 + fuel costs of heavy water + treatment + storage + security(water thieves and poisoners(bad neighbors)))

That said, making a RV or traditional trailer requires a certified welder and equipment. A Tiny House just requires the proper amount of floor space, proper attachments, and placement.

LOT CHEAPER.

1)Then the HIPSTERS.
2)??
3)PROFIT!!!

>> No.750960

>>750894
>3) Live(lets say survive) in HIGH RENT/PROPERTY centers/cant relocate for work/family/medical/etc...
How do Tiny Houses address this? You can't park a Tiny House in a city's downtown core. That's where you might want to reclaim a storage closet, or install some space-saving furniture into a tiny bachelor apartment. But most Tiny House videos seem to be in the middle of the country, miles from any job, and not addressing the bigger need.

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>>750583
>>750552
I'm the anon who made this. I just acquired a large amount of batteries for this project from salvage hybrids.

It has taken me a long time to get everything together, but most of the design is complete. The heat pump has proven to be the biggest challenge.

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>>751198
To inspire is the highest level of creation one can achieve, and for this anon you are hero today and for ever more.
Thank you.

Thanks for the help, makes a great conversation/starting point.
I plan on something as described>>750553
a surplus box truck turned into a mobile personal palace.
Building inside the box of the truck has no regulation as long as never intended for passengers (then comes the welding and certs and inspection and DOT etc)

The major feature is a recycling on demand shower. Pumping the clean-ish (think saline hottub + filter) through a rain roof in the wet room. I want a two hour shower for the cost of 12v and a few ounces of propane/compressed woodgas.
Valved two line system. First few gallons gets you clean and is sent to a separate filter system then the endless shower system switches on for a long soak.
A few steam vents for a sauna action and a massive vent fan for the end.
Rock stars in 1/2 million dollar buses get a ten minute shower. How sad.

>> No.751421

>>751337
In a couple of years, we'll have the graphene water filters, and recycling showers will be all over the place. It'll cycle back clean as distilled, even if you like to piss in the shower.

I'd be really careful about a recycling shower without that kind of advanced technology. You'll scrub your feet and ass and get pinkeye and dysentary. People stew in their filth in the bath, but they don't aerosolize it and spray it back in their face over and over.

The graphene filters are going to be fantastic. People will use it for sewage treatment and everything.

>> No.751542

>>746297
Do some research on tiny house markets. There isn't much of one. People going for tiny houses tend to do it themselves seeing as the low cost is one of the high draws.

>> No.751878

>>748443
I'd tear that bitch down when i moved out.

>> No.751879

>>748443
Sorry, i meant this >>751878
to >>748473

>> No.751907

>>746259

That's plenty of space for a neet like myself. Couldn't imagine living in that thing with other people tho.

>> No.751918

>>751907
It looks like a filthy pigsty. A problem with cluttered + small spaces: it's hard to clean when you don't have space to put everything away or out of the way.

>> No.751919

>>751907
Even your girlfriend? You could be close to each other all the time, lol.

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>>751198
Did you make this one too?

>> No.751996

>>748235
>Not rich by any means.
>Owns 120 acres and 2 houses

>> No.752000

>>751996
>land is equally expensive everywhere!

>> No.752486

I'll leave this here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0zZfpe2v1g

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>>751337
It would be interesting to see a successful mobile shower. Have you considered gym membership? I go to anytime fitness which allows me to shower and stay shape without sacrificing (limited) space and risking leaks around a 10kWh battery bank. Some locations also have saunas. Try to take advantage of public infrastructure like laundromats and restrooms when possible.

Good luck with your dream, setup a savings plan. Happy I could inspire someone and be sure to keep an eye peeled for vandweller from /o/ because he helped me in the early stages.

>>751938
negative. I'd use the laundramat or a friends house instead of sacrificing space.

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>>752532
Also since this is a tiny house thread, I may as well post about them! I have the stealth van designed to camp in areas like sf bay area and nyc to reap the benefits of higher income without higher cost of living. For me its freedom from poor economic conditions of an area, because I could find work somewhere else.

I did break off this project for a period though to design a tiny house. Once I have saved enough money from the van the goal is to buy cheap property in colorado and throw a small house on it.

I'm away from my desk atm but the plans are similar to this. Entrance will be in kitchen. Kitchen will consist of one wall with a cabinet containing a pantry, refrigerator, and the plumbing/cleaning cabinet + hot water heater. On the cabinet will be a microwave oven, inductive burner, sink, and a slide out food preparation area. Dishes and spices on shelves.

Bathroom will have a small wall mounted toilet, corner sink (no cabinet underneath), and walk in shower. Probably the biggest expense lies here.

Both of these rooms will be approximately 7x6. Atop will be a loft with a queen sized bed and compartment storage for clothes and stuff.

The living area will have a desk and a couch with a small table. No windows. Acoustically engineered. Outside I'll have a workshop and a greenhouse.

>> No.752544

>>752532
Or swimming pool.

>> No.752547

>>752538
>corner sink (no cabinet underneath)
Why no cabinet?

>> No.752552

>>752547
because the sink is really small to leave more room to the shower, I also said that so as not to confuse it with something larger.

>>752544
which anytime has a pool?

>> No.752556

>>752552
I think he's saying to go to municipal swimming pools to use their showers.

>> No.752575

>>746233

>wasted money on windows

Fucking lol'd hard, of course an average 4chan autist wouldn't want windows in their home well guess what buddy normals like light

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>>752575
dude who built a trailer and posted it on 4chan a long time back here,

I paid 300+ for a 2'x2' double pane window for my trailer. They can be expensive, and they still aren't that great on the R value (or U value seeing how I'll get attacked by one of you for not knowing my terminology). Granted, this was a very nifty window, but it was still just a small window when all was said and done. Never got around to putting the second one in, as life went off track.

>> No.752617

Why is this thread still up?
Haven't you retards learned yet that tiny houses are a bad idea?

Buy a real house. they come with property.

sageus maximus

>> No.752786

>>752617
why not build a tiny house on a normal sized plot of land and increase your land usage?

>> No.752805

>>752610
Tiny pic for a tiny house.

>> No.752830

>>752610
This pic seems to be joke.
>>752617
Who cares it's a bad idea? They look cool and building them is interesting as motherfucker.
>>752575
I lol'd too, but it's good idea to don't even think about windows, haha.

>> No.752837

>>746221

You really don't want a house that is TOO small.

You'll be fighting for space in the kitchen and there's nowhere that you could go in the house for a little "alone time."

At the same time, you don't want a house that is too big. UNLESS, you hire a maid and gardeners to maintain it, then a big house is the best. Because big houses take so much maintenance to keep presentable.

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>>752837
But small houses have something that bigger houses don't have.
That's this tidiness they have. Everything needs to be very organized to fit.
And many people feel very comfortable in a small house.
Think like about the thing in the pic, you can grab around and reach everything.

>> No.752861

>>752856
HAHAHAHAHA

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>>752805
Sorry, just grabbed the first pic in my folder. Don't really have any photos showing the whole thing, but I found this on my phone.

>> No.752883

>>752610
>double pane window

Enjoy your moisture build up.

>> No.752927

>>752878
My God! Those seams! Arghghghg!

>> No.752956

>>746286
My cousin bought a 700 square foot house with her husband and a few cats and at first she said she loved it. Now she wants to build a second floor...

>> No.752968

>>747002
I drive two hours a day 5 days a week and I wouldn't trade that time for anything. I listen to music, audiobooks, and NPR.

>> No.752979

>>752968
I have a similar commute and dearly wish to shorten it. Definitely varies by individual.

>> No.753066

>>752968
Wow your me all I listen to is NPR on my one hour commute one hour home drive. I need to get some audio books too

>> No.753069

>>752968
>>753066
nothing like the smoky sultry gravely voice of diane rehms right? I didn't know it was possible to gargle with sandpaper, but she proved me wrong. decent show though

>> No.753087

I don't know much about it, but I watched a documentary on "tiny living" thinking it would be a good educational film on a different school of thought. Instead I got a really boring film on this guy building a tiny house. Not much of a moral to the story.

I've always been fascinated with living with less, though.

>> No.753123

I wouldn't mind building a smaller house, but I definitely wouldn't build one that tiny. I mean sure I guess it'd be neat for a little while if I planned on staying alone.

>> No.753234

>>746221
bump

>> No.753273

They suck if you really want a large house and a lot of stuff but are to poor.

If you however are minimalist by nature it is super great. Especially when money is no problem.

Personally i like them, but don't have one. Would blow away with the wind to often, or be crushed by the snow.(Don't live in A'Murica). I live in large house now, planning on a small one, and a big one after that if i get a family. Money is no problem ether way.

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>>750409
You're kidding right? This place is cool as hell.

>> No.753396

>>746221
Yeah.. why make it so small? The major cost is in the septic, electric and plumbing. Might as well pour a larger foundation and build a decent ranch you could add on to later.

>> No.753404

>>753396
I agree. That could be doable on your own depending if your just framing and possibly sheet rocking and trimming. At least thats how I'd do it. I'm semi confident that I could rough in electrical,and plumbing but id definitely leave all the breaker connections to our electricians from work.

>> No.753407

>>753396
>>753404
Again, most tiny houses are built to circumvent local codes. That's why most are built on trailers.

>> No.753412

>>753404 me
>>753407
Aye, the amount of bullshit though, the amount of shit our sub contractors won't do though. I had to plane down some studs because the tile guys apparently can't shim out concrete backer board. Or the electricians cant pop off base to run the heated floor wire that was decided after the fact. Or the HVAC guys who can't a hole into a cabinet for exhaust on a hood vent. FUCK....

>> No.753422

>>753412
Most of the time they are just covering there ass. I'm a Glazier, I work with aluminum and glass. The Drywaller do not want me cutting back there shit.

>> No.753435

>>753422
Its all trivial shit though, I'm by far the lowest person on the rung of the ladder why is it falling on me to do a better job than everyone else who is higher paid than me. I expect zero tolerances on myself to begin with, but shit I can't play grab ass all day like all the other "skilled" trades.

>> No.753518

>>753069
I'm always afraid she's going to die on air, and then you have kojo who's voice makes Morgan Freeman sound like a harpee

>> No.753519

>>746221
Sure I would love to live in a small house
> if I was a hobbit

>> No.753531

>>753519
Hobbits live in multi-room holes or houses.

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>>746221
Could never go that small. If I were living alone in an extremely rural location then it could be possible, but I need space for storage and visitors. I'd much rather go for a 600-900 square foot home above a concrete in-ground garage/foundation combination. Pic related would be ideal; however, the cost is stupidly high and going to a contractor with roughly similar plans (or full DIY) would be much more viable.

>> No.753758

>>753518
Kojo is the voice of the gods.

You're DC area, then? I didn't think his show was syndicated.

>> No.753785

>>753686
the fuck!?
That's real house money right there!

>> No.753916

>>753686
Finally someone posted some plans.

>> No.754789

>>746221
I've read the thread and its really cool houses and all. One bad poop and literally the entire house us fucked though

>> No.754822

>>754789
>I've read the thread and its really cool houses and all. One bad poop and literally the entire house us fucked though
have you never heard of a fan or ventilation?

>> No.755099

>>754789
>I've read the thread and its really cool houses and all. One bad poop and literally the entire house us fucked though

Depends what sort of toilet and ventilation you have

>> No.755187

>>746233
So your ideal home is your moms basement? If you're looking at pure insulation value dirt is your best bet. You don't have to spend money on building a home if you can just mooch off your parents. Plus, free home cooked meals so you can save all your pennies and cry yourself to sleep in your dark, dank hole.

>> No.755940

>>753069
She needs to retire
She just do this shit any more

>> No.756063

>>752883
Have you actually never lived in a place with double pane windows ? I've been for 25 years at various places.. Never seen a moisture problem.

>> No.756124

>>752883
We've had double-pane windows in our house for the last 20 years and they work just fine, never had moisture problems at all.

They are expensive but really worth the investment.

>> No.756131

>>750559
>suriipu capuseru yunitto

Gotta love japan