/diy/ - Do It Yourself

oh god, was that really months ago? I would've guessed like 3 weeks.

To give you guys a rundown, I inherited a piece of property with a 24x36 garage on it. I love the garage, however it needs some serious renovation.

The part of the garage that has virtually no pitch is an addition to the original gabled structure. Clearly, my grandfather was no architect, putting no pitch on an update NY structure.

My grandfather also only built with materials he had. Subsequently, the structure is built like shit. At this current point, I am certain I need to rebuild at least the roof, and the back wall.

>>636303
>>The part of the garage that has virtually no pitch is an addition to the original gabled structure.
The damage shown in your second picture looks pretty irrecoverable and needs to be completely torn out. If the walls themselves are structurally sound you don't need to redo those. But the roof definitely will need to be redone.

What needs to be done is the addition should have been added with a roof profile that's perpendicular to the roofline of the existing portion of the garage. That's the easiest way to add pitch to the roof without making the structure taller.
Using a similar pitch and with the correct application of flashing in the corner where the two rooflines meet.

>>636309
That is exactly the issue as well. The tie-in has no flashing, and the entire roof is void of ice and water or tar paper. The entire roof is going, and the joists need to be replaced.

As you can clearly see here, the joist tie-ins were half assed. In addition to that, I am fairly certain a large amount of the garages weight may rest on that pole on the left side of the image. Any guidance on how I should properly tie this would be appreciated.

Here is another angle of that pole. There are two of these within the addition of the garage. Each running half way across the width of the garage. Oddly enough, they don't actually connect, nor are they near one another.

Should I remove these and just rebuild properly? Or should I just leave them where they lie and continue to rest the new joists upon them after installation?

Here is a photo of the other pole. I am certain that this pole is what is keeping the roof up. I am even nervous to walk around in there.

This is a picture of where the two poles in question meet the center. I have circled them to show what I previously explained about them both spanning across half the width of the garage, yet not meeting in the middle.

I will also be adding a wall as show in this image in blue. Should I frame in this wall prior to doing the roof? Most of the issues I am having in regards to this project are in which order I need to do each of these projects.

This is the other inner wall that is currently standing. I need to reframe, and rewire the wall due to the rot and portions that have been eaten by mice over the years. This is another big step in the project I would like to get started on, but I am still unsure of the order in which I should be doing the repairs.

This is where the inner walls of the room within the garage are going to stand when complete. This will provide support to the structure at the half way point of the width.

So, between the roof, back wall, side wall and inner walls, which should I be tackling first? I know that the roof makes the most sense. However, how will I properly attach the new joists to the top plates of the walls, which I haven't even built yet. How can I build walls, which will attach to joists, if they haven't been replaced yet. I am in a loop, and I don't know where I should begin.

I had a buddy come over today and we also discussed how I should approach the project as well. Together, we actually came up with a really sold starting point. In this picture, you see a rebuilt wall. However, this wall lacks a top plate. Step one of the project is going to be to properly reframe this wall, which will include the addition of said top plate.

My friend also pointed out that I should be using joist hangers to secure the new joists as well. While I did know what joist hangers were, they completely slipped my mind while trying to figure out how to come at this situation.

>>636574
if i were you id first try to set one main support in place that spans the length of the garage from one side to the other id build up a structure running down the middle of the two pites you showed >>636352,
id then remove the old pipes and supports and have it rest on the new better support

>>636582
honestly thought if it were my garage i wouldn't bother patching and repairing the former construction and tear down a section at a time and rebuild it the right way , youll learn that repairing someone elses shoddy work will end up way more expensive and time consuming since you have so much water damage

>>636582
That is an excellent idea. Do you by chance mean like the wall that I illustrated within >>636354 ?

This picture shows the current joist setup. I am fairly certain they are simply toe-nailed into the header.

>>636584
Two of the walls are completely intact and are built properly. The construction quality of those existing walls is no better than I would produce myself. I would not be opposed to tearing down the remainder, however I would like to leave what is still in good shape intact.

>>636579
wtf... are those joist cantilevered? the hangers are on upside down lol

>>636606
Good eye my friend, you are correct. Just an example picture I grabbed off of google anyway. Thank you for pointing that out though.

>>636585
no not that wall although it seems to be the wall from the original gabled garage structure which is way better built so i wouldn't mess with it
>>636585
the joists in the picture you posted are rotten and would warrant replacing the quicker way to make the garage space usable again would be to remove the flat roof you have on it , shorten all the supporting walls on the flat structure and angle the structure down to match the pitch on your existing properly pitched roof , you would lose some loft space but in the end you would have a properly pitched roof that wont leak and rot

>>636337
>>636352
looking at your pictures the two pipe sections were added as an afterthought probably during the first winter the garage was up when it snowed and the roof bowed down in the middle , they're just making up for a poorly designed roof

>>636614
To match the 26 degree existing pitch I would lose nearly the entire addition space. That is not an option, but rather the easiest and least time consuming method. Neither of which are relevant to my situation.

>>636614
That wall in >>636354 runs parallel to the gable itself, as shown in this image here. This blue within the image is exactly where the wall would sit, however it would just be halfway through the width of the structure.

>>636624
accidentally leave a space heater running next to a half full container of kerosene.

Oops, insurance pays for new garage.


*don't do this

>>636642
I have the money and time. Also it would look pretty suspicious that everything has been removed from the garage prior to a fire.

>>636647
exactly, that's why you store all your broken computer parts, tools and furniture in the garage and claim that back on contents insurance.

>>636746
I feel like you may know more about this topic than most. While it does seem bulletproof, I am going to have to pass on the suggestion.

Does anyone have experience using joist hangers in the past? I feel that my next step in the project is to determine what needs to be in place to correctly reinstall new joists. However, when viewing different types of joist hangers, there are a lot of variables in place. How do I know which hanger is what I am looking for?

I believe this is the one I am looking for, however any input would be great.

I believe this is the type of hanger I am going to need on the exterior end of the joists.

Today's project was to complete what was left of the demo within the garage itself, save the load bearing walls. Upon pulling down the remainder of the shoddy insulation and paneling, I was greeted with this gem.

The sheathing around the garage itself is some garbage 1/4 ply circa 1960. In this case, it has rotted right through to the siding itself, due to not having gutters installed on the back of the garage.

I went around back to survey the damage, as I have many times before. However, this time I understood what I was looking for. As I progress with the project, I am starting to develop an eye for what needs to be done and in which order.

I went around back and immediately noticed how close these two trees were to the wall. These are surely going to have to go, and I am almost certain I have pinpointed the culprit of the carpenter ants that plague the property.

>>636954
yea that's the one.
>>636960
nah you dont need those.

hangars are overrated you can get away with a few 3 1/2 nails for a shed

Upon getting closer though, you really get a sense of how poorly this was constructed. No gutters, different siding, the joists are even visible from the outside of the garage itself.

>>637434
Nice dude, thanks for watching and for the tip. I figured that was probably the one, seeing as how it is the most common you can purchase. Intuition is a wonderful tool.

>>637436
yeah.
if your gonna use hangars you might as well use the proper nails too.
the'yre called joist hanger nails

>>637437
Thanks again. Any tips at all are welcome. This is my first time doing anything like this. I am confident I can do it correctly, with enough research first.

I have been laying pretty low the last few days, inviting friends over to take a look at the damage as well. After I got everyone's opinion I had to place another order on Amazon for some more tools and goodies.

For anyone with an alumni email, you can subscribe to Amazon Prime for free as a "student". All you have to do is send the verification email to your alumni email to confirm who you say you are. I have been doing this for 2.5 years and order about $300-400 in stuff on Amazon every month. You get free 2 day shipping and everything is like 50% off. It's incredible.

The idea behind the tarp that I ordered is that I need to at the very least, stop the damage from spreading any further than it already has. It blows, but I guess I am going to lay it out like a FEMA tarp for the time being.

I was reading some information today regarding construction of rather lengthy walls, like we have across the width of the garage here. I was reading that it is completely acceptable to frame a long wall in multiple segments, so long as you run a double top plate that runs the full distance of the wall.

The back wall of the garage runs at 24ft wide, while the length of the addition is 16ft. That will allow me to build two 12ft segments for the back wall, and the full side prior to demo. This will insure the quickest possible construction time and allow the least amount of time for the remainder of what is left in the garage to be exposed to the elements.

In addition to this, I read quite a bit about rolled-on roofing. It seems to be exactly what I need for a roof with such a low pitch. In addition to this, I dont give a fuck what it looks like, which is another perk to rolled roofing. Lastly, I don't need any sort of training for such. Does anyone have experience with rolled roofing?

Sorry bros, no updates due to the weather, but I do need a bump.

>>636579
Yeah, some of those aren't actually hanging the joists.

>>636584
Tearing it down, and rebuilding might involve more permits, and architect, town planners, ect.

>>636606
>>636610

The hangers on the right side of the image are installed upside down so the screws will not hit the screws coming from the other side.

>>639229
a: joist hangers aren't screwed because screws have terrible shear strength
b: joist hanger nails won't penetrate deep enough into the other side, so that's not a concern ( not that it would be a problem if they did)
c: the ones on the right side of the image aren't upside down, they're right side up.
d: the ones on the left are on upside down because the primary load concern for those joist are cantilevered, meaning the end that you cannot see hangs out beyond a supporting member.

bump