/diy/ - Do It Yourself

1. Go get signed up for CPR classes and get certified.
2. Shop at the same places that paramedics shop at. Get a box of gloves and some basic gauze/chemicals to keep in the car.
3. ???
4. Drown in pussy when you save someones life

>>539549
>self medical care
>stab wounds
>bullet wounds
>setting bones
You're kidding, right?
Assuming you're not dead, bleeding out, or in shock, you can't really effectively deal with these situations on your own. You *might* be able to set a broken bone, but if it's an arm how are you going to splint it with just one arm? If it's a leg you're going to be in so much pain that you won't likely be able to do it.
>stab wounds
>bullet wounds
Where the hell do you live that you need to worry about these things, let alone needing to take care of them yourself?
You get stabbed/shot? You're most likely going to die. Even if not, you're going to be disabled in one way or another, you're not going to be digging bullets out of your body. Maybe you can put pressure on a wound, but stitch yourself up? Not likely.

>>539552
SELF care. OP could skip the CPR class and the gauze/chemicals and still be well on his/her way.

>>539556
You don't know that you are not a doctor.

>>539549
MD here, if you're going to do this then you first have to study anatomy. there are places you can be shot and stabbed and you can patch it up easily. The vast majority of gun shots kill, and depending on the stab wounds you would as well.

If you've got a superficial slash that hasn't hit muscle or a major artery then;
1) pour vodka/ white spirit/ something to kill infection in the wound, around it and on the utensils you'll use.
1.5) take a big swig of the vodka, pain and inflammation in a region means that further pain in the region is more painful. even if you would be fine with a needle in your skin anyway, it'll physiologically hurt a hell of a lot more. it's to do with nerve recruitment if you want to have a read of it.
1.9) if there are some around, take a big handful of willow leaves and chew. chew and swallow. get that shit down. willow leaves contain aspirin, and that's where doctors first got it from
2) (assuming you've learnt how to suture (it's actually pretty easy once you've practised a few times)) suture that thing up.
3) cover area with bandage, depending on how big the wound tells you how big the bandage should be. it shouldn't 'fit', it should be notably bigger
4) tape that shit down as best as possible, get it nice and tight so that nothing can get under the bandage, and so that it compresses the wound

if it's a gun shot, don't mess about - get that shit taken care of.

depends on the bone you break and how bad. most rib fractures are left completely alone. I broke my finger while building my extension, and I just bandaged the broken one to a good and left it because it wasn't that bad. big bones you need done properly, or it'll heal wrong

any more questions?

>>539556
I stitched myself up after a rifle exploded in my lap one time. I didn't dig anything out though, couldn't do that and I knew I shouldn't have tried. You can sever shit you don't even know about until you've already done it and you made it all worse. Luckily, for me the shrapnel (internal parts of the rifle's magazine) in my thigh ended up in a place the doctor told me would be fine to leave in.

Stitching yourself up is not fun, but it is bearable if you are able to do it. It all comes down to sterilizing and sanitation. Oh, it feels odd. Like a sharp pin prick like a briar that's really deep then the tugging of the suture feels the weirdest. I can't really describe that with a good simile.

Regardless, knowing HOW to do this stuff is the point. Not knowing it for yourself or someone you are trying to help means someone may die or lose a limb to infection.

http://archive.org/details/milmanual-st-31-91b--us-army-special-forces-medical-handbook

Start here, then do a google search for /diy/ archives and dig for other similar threads.

>>539556
not kidding, would be nice to know how to treat these things on others as well
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>>539588
thanks, the main problem I have found when trying to find out more about this is that most info is geared towards just keeping the person from getting worse until the professionals arrive, not fixing the problem.

>>539585
oh, thank you as well, forgot to include you in the reply, a family member went through nursing school so I will ask to reread her textbooks for the anatomy part.

>>539549
If you get shot by an arrow, you can cut a groove in the shaft, pour gun powder into it, light it on fire, jam it back out of your shoulder, and be healed. Clint Eastwood did it in one of his movies. I think it had a nun in it. I figure if you're dreaming about getting shot and stabbed, might as well add arrow'd.

I guess that means that if you get shot, you'll have to find the bullet, pour gun powder on it, light it on fire and push it into the wound. Same with knives.

So, rule #1. by a horn of gun powder.

>>539619
fucking genius.
seriously though, how should one cauterize a wound.

What type of life do you lead that you're worried about stab and bullet wounds, and want to be able to treat them yourself? What are you, a meth dealer?

>>539698
You need to get yer eyes fixed. I told you, gun powder and a nun's loving, yet steady push on the shaft of a broken arrow.

ONLY WAY.

>>539698
You can also just heat up a survival knife until it's glowing red, then push that into the wound. Saw it in one of the Rambo movies,and Rambo is serious business.

>>539698
>how should one cauterize a wound.
You shouldn't. Clean the wound, debride it, suture if necessary and put on sterile dressing.

been meaning to get this book

>>539725
linkderp http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0988872536/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_8?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

>>539711
no

>>539607
The thing is that for most serious wounds, you really do need a professional there to fix things.

Learning how to not make things worse is probably the best that a non-professional can hope for.

>>539607
>thanks, the main problem I have found when trying to find out more about this is that most info is geared towards just keeping the person from getting worse until the professionals arrive, not fixing the problem.

Think of it for a second. The military has plenty of experience on those things and if they recommend something, they probably know for sure that without proper medical care the person is going to die.

You simply don't "fix" things like gunshot wounds without surgery and in field conditions...well, no. Just no. Believe the guys with experience.

It's like trying to fix a car engine that's totally worn out and broken. You could think "I could weld something...or maybe solder some lead there and file things...yeah, lead is a metal so it will work, I wonder why they never do that elsewhere". The truth is, however, that nothing will change or you're just breaking more things.

>>539585
Bad idea on the aspirin, it thins your blood remember, and for an open wound. that means it won't clot very easily.

>>539762
In the spirit of >>Learning how to not make things worse is probably the best that a non-professional can hope for.

Here are a few screencaps regarding non-professional medical care from a helpful poster on /k/.

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>>539790
Not sure if these last two are relevant (here's to hoping they are), but it's from the same guy.

>>539766
unless the engine was never maintained you just have to change the wear parts
unless there was a catastrophic failure everything is fixable
at the million dollar point in the Philippines they were pulling bulldozers out of the sea for 15 years and getting them running by just changing the electronics and new oil

>>539786
These
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Caps
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Fucking
>>539792
Badass.

Thanks for dumping

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>>539796
IKR? I keep meaning to make a booklet out of them for my bug out bag, or just to keep around my room in case of explosions or something. Kudos to the /k/ommandos who put it all together.

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>>539802
This is the last one I think. I apologize ahead of time if some are off-topic, they're friggin huge and there were some I never got around to labeling.

>>539716
Not sure if carbon builds up while it's still glowing red, but I know that it's bad to let the black carbon shit get into the wound. I'm actually gonna look into that, because if it does I'd wipe off the knife with a sterile cloth or something.

No fancy survival trick seen on movies should ever be tried in real life, this particularly applies to cauterizing wounds; burn wounds is a fucking mess, losing fluid, bad healing, high infection risk.

Use pressure whenever possible, put some sterile dressings onto the wound, then put something sufficiently rigid(like a mobile phone(not the only phone availible, you need it for calling for help) or wallet), and wrap it with pressure.
Use torniquets when necessary. Always log the torniquet time because it can stay there for two hours with no irreversible effects in most cases, and periodically releasing it can extend that time a lot(at the expense of blood).

Assuming you can suture, you can use that to close bleedings too, but if you have bandage and a first aid kit, then it's unnecessary. Use it if you have suture thread and needle and no cloth wrapping to spare. Assuming no help is availible in short notice, it can be sensible to close the wound with sutures because less risk of infection.

>>539802
There's a wrong point in this: Don't remove wet clothes if out in exposed areas and lacking a change of clothes. If you pull a dude out of cold water, you can of course donate your jacket and pants to him and he'll have a better time. But if you're solo and decided to take a clothed swim when it's -15 C outside, you'll freeze to death much faster naked than walking around in your wet soaked clothes. The wet clothes shields you from factors like evaporative cooling, wind, and direct convection.

Also, alcohol is okay once you're back in a warm and cozy environment in front of a fireplace. But not outside as you get superficial vessel dilatation=> more rapid heat loss.

>>539806
>Not sure if carbon builds up while it's still glowing red, but I know that it's bad to let the black carbon shit get into the wound.

It would be sterile so it's not that bad. But it could be a source of chemical irritation. But you wouldn't want to do that at all as you'll get burn wounds in addition to your primary wound.

What you could use heating of the blade for is to sterilize it, then cool it own, then use it as a surgery knife for some minor necessary surgery. Not that I could think of something right now. Perhaps if you're out in the desert in dumbfuckistan and need to debride a wound with some phone assistance from a surgeon.

So basically, you have reiterated everything already posted in the infographics, and advised against shit that only a drooling retard would not get.

> But if you're solo and decided to take a clothed swim when it's -15 C outside, you'll freeze to death much faster naked than walking around in your wet soaked clothes.
> We would call that Darwinism in action.
> Also, alcohol is okay once you're back in a warm and cozy environment in front of a fireplace. But not outside as you get superficial vessel dilatation=> more rapid heat loss.
> CONTRIBUTING!

Well played.

>>539822
So basically, you're butthurt because I actually know and post shit independently from your 4chan screenshots.

>>539835
> Implying I posted them.
Redundancy is not always a good thing

>>539838
So you didn't even post them, yet you still start to shitpost and derail the thread over them, you also didn't actually bother to compare the details of my post and the screenshots and jumped right into shitposting, not that I'm expecting literacy from shitposters.

>>539843
>>539796 is me. I have read them all and have assimilated all but the animal ones (totally different region, not relevent to me, though the snake venom info and management was useful)

I'm glad you think your redundant post was useful. I didn't. Deal with it faggot.

>>539552
>shop at the same palces paramedics shop

what


you can't treat something like a gunshot wound or stab wound yourself. you can stablise a patient or yourself until you can get proper attention though. in almost all cases it involves pressure to stop bleeding and immobilization. an Israeli bandage alone is a good bit of kit.

>>539850
Giving your reading comprehension you'll probably end up killing yourself after your first minor outdoor inconvenience. Good riddance.

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>dem thread caps
>fucken' saved
thank you based anon

>>539864
not him, but i believe the first and last words you're looking for are "given" and "accident", since your bringing comprehension (a component of grammar) into it. and yeah, advising people its safe to drink booze once they are home and safe, and implying someone might "decide" to take a dip while fully clothed in fucking cold weather, is a little dumb dude.

>>539870
>Hi everyone, I can literally only interpret things literally!
Sorry for not writing as fit for simple.wikipedia. I totally forgot about your chromosomal excess.

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>>539818
thanks, these are awesome

>>539556
they dont take bullets out unless there is a valid reason, causes unnecessary damage

>>540349
unless the bullet had ended up in your uterus after going through a guy's nutsack. Might get you pregnant.

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>>539711
>learning how to fix shit -or even stabilise it until you can get someone smarter to do it better- is stupid
>being prepared for bad things happening is ridiculous, because bad things never happen unless you're a drug dealer
>you should be completely dependant on professionals because you -an untrained citizen- can't do anything right and professionals are always close at hand
Do you realise how dumb you look? I'll bet both of you are anti-gun.
>>540349
>lead

>>539585

>Vast majority of gunshots kill

Wrong, 80% of your body is a non fatal area to be shot. You have a 95% survival chance if you arrive at a hospital with your heart still beating. Of course, if your shot in the head or heart, you will die (it is a 9% survival chance with proper medical care). S

As someone who has watched small-medium surgery being performed on my own body (I am way too curious), I can tell ya.. One of the biggest problems you'd have (except the fact you can't treat a stab wound or shot on yourself) is how well you can see/touch/interact with the area.

With the surgery I went through, they had to open my lower abdomen/groin to correct some shitty tendons, and I can tell ya... I could barely see it, even when I (to the doctor's displeasure) forgot I was looking at myself and almost sat down to have a better look.

>>540476
this, I am not the retard asking how to do my own dental work or make a liposuction kit out of a shop vac, I know that these things are best left to the professionals but just because someone else can do something better than you does not mean that you should count on them always doing it for you.

>>539585

No way you are an MD. If you were you knew that suturing stab or bullet wounds is a big no go, even in a professional setting.

>>541121
This is true, my midline incision (made in the hospital) was stapled together but the stab wound was left open to close on its own (with a vacuum accessory that sucked the "juice" away.

>>541121
He did specify "superficial slash wound"

Grandpa says:

Back in the war, if you got shot and there was no medical care available, they would get cigarette tobacco and shove it in the bullet hole. This stops the bleeding and does something else(don't remember) to make you not die. He says he was shot in the thigh and stuffing the wound with tobacco saved his life.

Perhaps lowers chance of infection?

>>541152
They use tampons today. The docs hate it because they have to cut them out but if you're on the front line under fire I'd rather have to get a little surgery in a hospital than bleed out.

This guy removed his own appendix in Antarctica.

Badass.

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/03/antarctica-1961-a-soviet-surgeon-has-to-remove-his-own-appendix/72445/

>>541152
Nicotine is a vascoconstricter, it tightens your blood vessels, reducing blood loss.

>>539549
>build up a simple first aide kit
>i spent my 20's living in the swamps in the winter trapping and hunting
>smashed fingers and cuts, sprained joints and punctures where the normal fare
>boy scout first aide does and doesn't work
>any broken/cut skin needs to be cleaned
>sprained and torn muscle tissue has to be supported and stabilized
>my worst accident was a split left thumb gash
>it was slashed to the bone the full length
>lucky it was at camp and hot water was all ready on the fire
>I wrapped a leather shoe string around my wrist to stop the bleeding
>soaked a handkerchief in hot soapy water wrapped it around the thumb
>started more water heating, added soap and soaked my hand in the water
>dried every thing off, took strips of tape and X'ed across the wound pulling the edges together
>then wrapped the thumb and hand with first aide gauze
>moved the shoe string to the base of the thumb to slow the bleeding
>spent the night trying not to fall asleep, got a ride to a doctor the next day
>nothing hurt or no pain until that rodent cut the thumb back open
>later i found out that the white mucus stuff along the slash was new tissue that the doctor cut away
>took a huge shot of penicillin in the left cheek and was back in the swamp by night fall
>had a week of throbbing pain to deal with

>>541179
he was, however, a qualified surgeon.

unlike 99.999% of the people reading this thread...