/diy/ - Do It Yourself

Oh, you. I remember your previous shitbombing tent thread.

>>520161
you could create some sort of drying apparatus, and use the dried poop as a fuel of some sort?

>>520168
I honestly have no idea what you're talking about, but knowing this board I can imagine.
>>520169
That is a good idea, I could always use a piezoelectric generator and have a small stove.

>>520169

>Burning shit

Lel. So much lel.

Does anyone know how the old dirigibles did it? I thought they just didn't stay over land that long or transferred waste and water when moored.

>>520175
Why are you not researching airships like the Hindenberg? Why are you trying to re-invent the wheel in so many ways?

>>520180
I am doing research, but I haven't found an article or book talking about it's waste systems. Also the Hidenberg was around in a time when there where many more mooring posts and and less population density. It would also have a full crew where as I would like most things to be automated and using modern ideas and technologies. As such my dirigible would need to be much more self sustaining as it couldn't just meet up at predetermined points and fill up on hydrogen and water, and unload waste and garbage.

Also what about toilate paper vs. water for cleaning oneself? The paper would be lighter but I could generate/collect water anywhere.

There is surprisingly little material on the waste systems of dirigibles, I can't really model them after boat systems like I wanted too, as I said in the op, my concern is when I'm over land.

>worrying about waste drops on cities
>not worried about being shot down in protected airspace

When the f16s come in. Press your manifesto to the window. That should work. Ask them where to dump shit while they're there.

>>520199
>Implying I want to fly with out a license and into airspace with out permission.
People fly homemade aircraft all the time, you just have an inspector come and check everything out then pay for a tail number.

>>520199
Also, manifesto?

OP will surely deliver with photos of the finished project!!

I look forward to seeing them. Right about the time they perfect fusion energy. Oh wait...

>>520161
When I looked at the title and the OP image, I thought the idea was to make flying landfills or sky fills. Glad to see this isn't nearly as stupid.

>>520200
good luck

>>520212
Imagine those crashing. Man, the clean up efforts for that.

>>520161
wow, really cool idea OP.

I'd research composting toilets. Dry the shit, then literally toss it over with other refuse in the trash.

So, OP, It's really a matter of creating a refuse removal system, which shouldn't be a problem, just carry lots of twine and plastic trash bags.

>>520199
>>520213

You're dumb.

>>520302
That could work to make the size of the tanks smaller and reduce weight by evaporating the water out of the waste. Thanks I thought they all had to use water in the system.

Creating a gigantic balloon, by the way, is a hella difficult project. I mean, I've thought a lot about various types of airships, and there's no denying that one equipped for living would be extremely cool. However, building an envelope large enough to hold even a 1 or 2 person living space would be a massive undertaking. Further fabrication in areas such as the compartments would need to be done post-blowup, and any kind of gas in that quantity is either going to require a license or cost a hell of a lot of money (especially helium.)

A much easier project would be to homebuilt a small general aircraft. However, if you want to be the most badass man within a several thousand mile radius, build that motherfucking balloon.

>>520316
The envelope would have to be out sourced to one of the companies specializing in them, that would be ridiculous to DIY and I'd spend more on the machines to DIY it then it would coast me to just buy it. The hydrogen would just be a very large electrolysis system.
The living space would ether be 1.5 or 2.5 person (the .5 meaning someone could visit for a while) size depending on whether or not my wife would let me take my (currently 15 month
) son with me.

>>520320

>Very large electrolysis system
>On a balloon

That's so wicked. Like, if you could make that weight-efficient, that would make so much sense it's crazy.

Also, have you considered creating some kind of massive solar array for power? Since it's basically free energy, it seems like the right way to go. Photovaltics obviously cost an assload of money, but anyone who plans on building a balloon could probably diy up a mirror array and boiler of some kind.

>>520325
In the original post I mention I'm going to have thin-cell photovoltaic along the spine of the craft, and use the engines as turbines when they aren't being used as engines.
The electrolysis system would be weight-efficient by using multiple anodes. The voltage for each anode would only need to be about a volt, with more amps being pumped in translating into faster electrolysis.

>>520329

Do you have a space for doing this?

>>520334
Not yet but in the area of Ohio that I live in, there are a surprising amount of old and abandoned air fields. Hell I'll move and live in an old dirigible hanger if I have too.

>>520337

You should try to get like 5 acres and have an airship docking facility. Water transfer, any waste you can't dump, food stocks taken care of, etc.

>>520339
I have 7 right now but 6 of it is woods. A home base would be awesome and needed, but what I would really like to do is travel with it. Record my travels, show off my creation, and what not.

>>520342

Awesome. If you make any progress at all, post it. We appreciate that.

>>520348
I will but any real progress won't be for a month or two as I'm right now in the planing stage.

>>520350

Post sexy balloon drawings.

>>520351
My art skills aren't that great and my CAD's are right now of the engines and super structure, and I'd rather not post them.

>>520353

Both of those are things I would really like to see.

If you wanted to avoid producing any more variables of lift, you need to keep it on board in tanks, and only dump it when you take on a comparable amount of food.

Conservation of mass says the system will keep the weight on board more or less constant if you use this system.

>>520370
With my system the variables aren't that bad, if I dump the waste I can use the fuel cell to turn hydrogen into electricity and water to balance out the weight.

>>520353

We're not going to steal your idea OP.

And even if we did it's not as if you're going to be trying to sell them.

>>520161
Use a lifting body design. By making the bottom black and the top white, you could get more efficient lift by remaining above clouds or the ocean, letting light reflected off those surfaces warm your lifting gas.

A lifting body would possibly allow you to have a platform atop the body, instead of underneath. This would give you unparallelled views of the sky around you. Balance would be a major issue, though vertical tube housing would allow you top and bottom viewing decks, with living space between them.

Captcha: raiden pay
Watch out for lightning, aerostat guy.

>>520398
I'll post my final revisions of them. Right now the structure has integrity issues and the engines are embarrassing to say the least.

>>520399
I was thinking about using a mixture of hydrogen and helium with ceramic heating plates. The helium would be at the bottom before it heats up then it would rise and mix with the hydrogen tell an equilibrium is reached. Helium is expensive though and then I'd have to carry it.
Lifting bodies are harder to design properly and if I use the lift that it generates it's not really an aerostat is it?
I'm going to have an upper cockpit with a gondola for living in.

Lightning. Oh god lightning. Hopefully I'd be able to be above storms but a full body lightning rod is deffenetly part of my design.

>>520405
Also part of my designs are antenna for HAM radio, 4g antenna, and WiFi antenna. I want to use the WiFi to create an ad-hoc mesh network in area's that I'm in so I can chat with locals.

How often do you plan to move it? How long could you be hanging around an area you can't dump waste? A few days?

If you're like me, you only take a dump every day or two. If you have three people aboard, that's maybe 20 shits in a week. The internet tells me the average shit is a bit under a pound (depending on what you eat and how much). I don't think that would take very much space, so you wouldn't need a very large holding tank.

Also if you're not leaving the airship for food, then no mass is being added. The weight won't change at all, so it won't affect flight. Just store it and go every few days to dump.

The smell will probably be a problem. You might aerate the tank somehow so the smell goes out instead of coming back up into the toilet. This will also dry the waste and make it lighter.

>>520399

This isn't really the correct definition of what a lifting body is (pic related,) but it's still an awesome idea.

>>520411
Hopefully I'll always be moving. I do plan to leave the ship for eating sometime. My main problem would be when I'm over vast stretches of land. Like if I'm over the middle of America I can't really dump into the lakes and most of the land is farms.

let the piss roll out, seagulls piss on people all the time. Urinal if its a big enough blimpski and you decide to use water. Half a litre per flush...

Solid waste... chem toilet? Camp Toilet with disposable baggies, dry it and burn it...

how big of a derigible are we talking?

Also, hydrogen fuel cell and electrolysis device... You aren't trying to make self-sustained power from splitting water are you..?

>>520417
I live in the middle of America, and if you'd ever seen it you'd know that nobody would notice.

>>520420
>Also, hydrogen fuel cell and electrolysis device... You aren't trying to make self-sustained power from splitting water are you..?

Motherfucker read the fucking thread.

>>520420
All good idea's, except for the piss rolling out. I'd probably let it evaporate.
It's hopefully be somewhere between 200-300 feet.
No, I understand that the energy conversion is at best 80% the fuel cell and electrolysis is for sustaining hydrogen only. The energy needed would be from the photovoltaics and the engine/turbines.

>>520168
yep this was an old thread back in the early days

>>520169
and this was the idea I proposed way back then

>>520425
I've travels all along the east coast but never into the west of the US. Do you mean no one would notice dumping into fields?

it is possible to attach the waste to a weather balloon and let it just sail off into space?
or barring that just literally launching your shit into space, with something akin to a potato cannon, or maybe a trebuchet

>>520449
Unless I bring hundreds of pounds of rocket fuel with me, it won't get any where near space and just fall back to earth. I think your over estimating how high these things go man.

>>520429
That's exactly what I mean. The middle part of America is mostly empty space with nobody around to notice. Maybe farmers wouldn't like you dumping shit on their fields, but there will also be a lot of fields without crops, and a lot of forest. And nobody will care if you dump in rivers.

I was also implying that this part of the country might as well be made out of shit.

>>520454
Don't most people use the rivers for there cattle or have there wells connected to them though? I thought there wasn't any forest out there and That's why it was so good for farm land.
Also, hah! Good one.

>>520458
Use rivers for their cattle how? Cows allowed near a stream will stand it in and shit everywhere. I think it's illegal to allow it to end up in rivers, but it happens all the time.

Nobody just drinks water out of a river without processing, or even gives it to animals. They're all full of shit and trash.

>>520461
Well cows drinking cow shit is different from cows drinking human shit, from a biological perspective. I just don't want to taint my food supply. I'd dump into an empty field or woods though.

Mfw I imagined OP in his dirigible dumping his poo over Merica'
Just Imagine seeing a big ball or shit falling from the sky. Lol.
Or would the shit burn up on it's way down to the ground?

>>520465
You should be abducting cows for your food supply.

As for waste, ships like the Hindenburg flew over the ocean most of the time so presumably it was just dumped overboard.

Liquid waste could be dealt with by spraying it. If the air is warm and dry enough it would nearly evaporate before it reached the ground, right? Gross imagery aside it seems okay, especially for grey water (unless you decide to recycle it)

>>520477
Just don't dump liquid all at once from high altitudes. Wouldn't want to spear someone with a pissicle.

Getting rid of shit is the the least of your worries. Just let it drop..you need to worry about flying and landing a giant bag of exploding gas without dying the first time you blow into a tree on take offf. This is massively dangerous, and very unlikely to succeed. Also, the Faa is going to arrest you the moment this thing gets over 200 feet. Never will they give you a liscence to fly a giant explosion within 500 miles of people.

>>520475
It'd probably break up into allot of smaller poop missile but deffenatly not burn up. Once again, no where near high up enough for anything like that.
>>520477
Thank you, now all I can think about doing is sliding down a rope latter in a ninja outfit, tying a rope arround a cow and having a winch pull it into the ship.
I think that's what they did as well, seeing as how that's what boats do.
Spraying liquid waste...Now that's an idea.
>>520483
While a dirigible can get high enough for the cold to get that intense they mostly don't. The low pressures cause the gas in the envelope to expand pushing hydrogen out of it. Also the cabin isn't pressurized so the air I'd be breathing would be thin and cold as fuck.
>>520484
You don't land dirigibles. That's the point of a mooring mast, and why I want mine to be as self-sustaining as I can. Also there are pilot licenses for blimps and dirigibles, that's how you can get the goodyear blimp above a stadium. I know it's helium, but hydrogen isn't that much more dangerous.

>> I know it's helium, but hydrogen isn't that much more dangerous.
You are very, very wrong. Before you go any further, call the FAA. If you report back with anything that resembles good news....I will give $1,000 for your efforts.

>>520161
Piss over the side.
As for poop, have a small 'drying chamber' which removes all the moisture, then pretty much throw it in a blender, reducing it to a fine powder. Then just throw the poopy-powder overboard, and watch it sail through the air.

>>520488
I'm not calling the FAA at 00:30.
If I was stooped enough to get they envelope and then the bladders holding the hydrogen pierced and not immediately land the craft I deserve a fiery death. Also the envelope would be filled with nitrogen, helium, or CO2 and that would put out any small fire that would develop on the envelope before it reached the hydrogen bladders.

>>520492
Why are you using hydrogen again? Are you planing on replenishing it from rain water or something?

>>520506
>not reading the thread

Here's an idea: a universal plumbing system. Have a way of skimming bodies of fresh water for the many liquid requirements; distill it to a high-up vat and route it to a PVC valve panel that uses gravity to feed hopefully decontaminated water to electrolysis vats, drinking water and other needs.

Also, have you thought about somehow using the balloon as a keel and sailing the ship? I know you plan to drift with the wind when not on power, but for faster speed and improved navigation it seems like a worthy thing to look into.

>>520525
skimming with a balloon seems untenable.

easiest thing would be to have a bucket on a winch that goes down and back up. Hoses would be expensive as fuck to beblong enough and strong enough to suck water from even the lowest height you'd want to take.

>>520539
>bucket

or you could try

>>520506
>rain water

>>520199
>When the f16s come in. Press your manifesto to the window. That should work.
lol so good, thank you for this

>>520161
I remember I saw a patent for a sail powered airship design, that was pretty cool.
Im just gonna hope the rise of solar powered flight is quick enough to accommodate some cool hybrid airship designs.

As urine is 95% water Id suggest using that for Hydrogen generation as well, the solutes would just be dry waste you could then trash along with the rest of the dry waste

>>520525
I thought filtering the water I'd skim would be fine.

No I didn't think of using it as a keel, that seems like a difficult design, but I'll look into it.
>>520539
>>520550
I have a simple rain water collector that needs a lot of TLC to make it work at all, but I'd need to skim (or look into the bucket but that seems like it'd take a long time, maybe multiple buckets?) because I'd need a good sized reserve for electrolysis and drinking/cooking.
>>520603
I think using urine would cause some chemical reaction problems when electrolysis happens. I'll look into that today.

http://www.chem.hawaii.edu/uham/part101.html

FAA rules look em up

>>520614
I know that this is currently impossible, but...

In the future, you should aim to use a graphene structure that you can fill with a vacuum... or empty... you get the point.

Vacuums are lighter than hydrogen.

>>521117
the structure itself shouldn't weight more than 200 grams per cubic meter (the air at 15 C is 1.225 kg) to be efficient and to be able to hold up to 1 kg / m3

do you think graphene will be able to do this without implosion ?

>>520196
keep in mind the amount of water needed. You can only collect so much from a rain storm. I would use both. Install a water system as a back up, and use toilet paper as your main to tide you over. Paper is biodegradable so you don't have to worry about disposal so much and takes up little space when compressed.
also, in the navy we have VCHT (vacuum collection holding transfer) systems for our waste. the shit gets blended into a uniform consistency and then stored. improving upon this, once the consistency is uniform, drying it would reduce the amount of space it takes up considerably, but you would DEFINITELY want a way to avoid having that smell inside your derigable.

>>520410
HAM is great, make sure you know the emergency freqs in case you run into trouble. There are also designated nets for aircraft you might want to look up, not sure what freq range is for these, but if you get a picture of the electromagnetic spectrum, it'll show you a break down of all the frequency bands allocated to different kinds of traffic.
as your making this, have you thought about what your destination height will be as your flying? You will want to have a safety mechanism in case something bad happens and you're up there. and parachutes might not open in time depending on how high you are.

>>520486
Hydrogen is way more dangerous than helium! thats what caused the hindenburg to go down in flames. helium is more stable, but also heavier, so you will need more of it.

>>520614
Use a powered wench that automatically raises and lowers the bucket on a line, then it would be fast and easy and the bucket wouldn't be too heavy, so the wench wouldn't have to be too heavy duty.

>>521169
>>520196
and also, using a thin enough toilet paper will allow you to blend and burn it with the shit. thats how we do it on the ships.

use your body wastes to grow a food garden

>>521130
Graphene is exactly one atom thick and is the strongest material known to man. It's basically an arrangement of carbon atoms in a hexagonal pattern.

It's also a superconductor and it's transparent.

>>521268
That doesn't answer his question. What kind of structure you suggest for making graphene vacuum bags?

>>521169
That is a very interesting system for waste disposal. I'll defiantly look into that more.
I think the frequencies for aircraft and watercraft are about the same so they can travel long distances, but I have a book on aircraft call signs and frequencies that I have yet to read.
The height hasn't been determined yet but it'll probably be to low for for a parachute. My safety mechanism right now is just that dirigibles crash slowly, for a fire it's jump and cry.
Helium is more expensive I can't produce it on board or conserve it. The hindenburg also used diesel engines, had people on board cooking food over open flame, it's envelope was made with metal particles in it allowing for electrical discharge and static differences. A ship made mostly of plastics and modern materials and using modern electrical systems would be much safer.
A bucket can be knocked around in wind dumping all the water before it even gets to me, and then I'd have to take the bucket and move it around the ship. With a hose the water can be pumped directly into the water systems and the pump would be about the same size of slightly bigger then the bucket wench.

OP, I'm just trying to wrap my head around your project.

If you built your airship, what would you do with it? Live in it indefinitely, sure, but it's still an airship. Where would you go with it? Do you know how to fly them? How to stay away from storms and the like? What happens if you get ill on your ship somehow? Where will you go and what will you do? Are you planning on stopping somewhere for supplies every now and then? What about when you need repairs? Are you going to be alone?

>>521374
I'd go where ever I could, experience life, look at the beauty of nature, take pictures and videos of it. Experience as many cultures as I can, meet with people, bring cool interesting people onto the ship for a day or two.
I'm going to get a blimp/dirigible license before construction is done.
I do plan on getting food when I need it, if I need repairs I'll have equipment on board to do them unless they're extreme then I'll need to land.
If I get sick I'll let my ship drift in the winds tell I get better.
Right now I plan on being alone, but that can change if one of the friends I really trust wants to join me.

>>521357
You're right, but if you weighted the bucket a bit it won't get pushed around. then use a wide base and a small hole at the top to further prevent tippage and you're good. It would be more cost effective, and easier to try and get enough suction all the way from the ground. You'll need a pretty strong pull to get any significant amount of water. Not to mention the machinery involved will a lot more weight than an empty bucket.

>>521283
I would go with an interior shell split into different sections. That way, it would be easier to suck the air out of the structure and it would also protect you from any gunfire you might come across in while flying over the southern states.

The problem with using graphene is that it's biodegradable. You would need to protect your shell sections from the weather if you wanted to stay in the air.

Alternatively, you could use a series of smaller cylinders that you could dispose of if you wanted to decrease in altitude.

Remember, graphene is flexible. The problem with using it is not the shape it must be in; it's the extra weight that's added from the internal supports that must not add more weight that the vacuum inside can lift.

Wait, scratch all that. There's a material called carbyne that's twice as strong as graphene which can be used more effectively because you can stop it from flexing.

>>521620
>it would also protect you from any gunfire you might come across in while flying over the southern states.
Are we talking about the US south, or South America?

>>521624
Both?

>>521627

>>521620
I think realisticlly if you are in a gun fight eighter your are flying yo low or you are already dead from the machineguns from the helicopters

>>521389
That made me think of an urn like bucket, which would actually be very good for that purpose.

>>521268
>one atom thick
>arrangement of carbon atoms in a hexagonal pattern

>>521268
>strongest material known to man
>>521620
>twice as strong as graphene

>>521760
>shitposting

well I guess there is no option of actually useful vacuum aircraft, it can be done but the materials will be so heavy that it barely outweight itself (in perfect conditions)

>>521766
on another note, there could be some hope in the future using hydrogen with some modern materials and structure and high grade german/swiss engineering and could be actually better than helium

>>521760
I wasn't aware of the material until I found out about it today.

Cut me some slack.

>>520614
yeah, sure, just use R/O. That's what ships do, no need to distill it.

>>521773
I might want to mention that the only thing that can pass through graphene is water, making it the perfect filter.

>>521766
One gram of graphene can cover several tennis courts.

>>521781
I wasnt the one suggesting it

OP wants to fly around in a shiny turd lel

>>521699

Just set up a very large bucket with a block and tackle. It'll take you a little bit, but I would think that on a system like this any kind of electric/powered system is something you want to delete unless it's absolutely necessary.

>>521384

>Experience life
>Beauty of nature
It's sort of excellent that, on top of actually doing some thinking, you're not just another "having a giant blimp would be cool" type of guy.

isnt it possible (not diy ofc) making a nuclear airship using hot air engine that can last more
and be able to produce electricity for the whole system for ages etc. I think we have some good technologies (nuclear submarines) that can give us some advance for the design

also it could be heated by electricity i dunno whats better actually flame or something els

>>521821
Perhaps a thorium reactor?

>>521821
>>521822
pic related, something like that
the reactor is the judostar at the back and the crew and generally ppl are at the front (as safe as possible)

also the heaters are electric and there is fans to move up the cold air upwards periodically and the heaters will pulse from time to time depending so they keep the air inside at steady degree also, there will be no air loss, the air will be the same closed in the chamber at very high temperature

>>521813
You're right, but I'd like to get away with an electric wench at least, moving a bucket up and down for 1000 feet each way will take a very long time and be very tiring.
>>521817
Thank you, I don't know why someone would go through all that work, just to have a blimp.
>>521821
I don't think at this level of technology. The weight of the shielding would be to much for the energy output to lift as gas.

>>521821
The reactor would be too heavy for small ships, and you would be needing a lot of balloon otherwise.

Composting toilets are available, not even that nasty when its done processing really... just have containers to swap out and empty it as you have time. I imagine you will end up with bigger issues in your airship-home construction than how to deal with human-waste disposal.

All you need is an incinerator toilets its what ships use and some off grid cabins, com to think of it they also use them in places where water freezes

You should most definitely have FPV scouts. Multirotors are obviously very sexy, but given you take a lot of care in setting up a good wing like in pic related, you could stay up for hours, gaining closer looks at things. Or, I suppose if you were more malicious, you could use them as airsoft fighters for dispelling birds.

>>521986
I was thinking of having an R/C plane for picture taking, but a FPV drone, while energy intensive, would be very nice.

Bump.

>press and dry turds in discus-shaped mold improvised from waffle iron
>launch discus-shaped dried turds into the air
>get very good at hitting moving targets with 12 gauge
>shower the people below with dried turd fragments

What if you started some kinda movement with balloon houses, and you all hooked together somewhere out in the sky (maybe international waters to avoid airspace laws), and formed a flying settlement? You could have certain balloons specialized for hydrogen production, power generation, housing, storage, etc and ferry people/goods to and from the surface.

I could get behind that.

>>521774
>implying
Then we'd be using graphene lined storage containers for our hydrogen fuel cells.

>>523709
>Somalian pirates begin to build hydrogen air balloons
>raid each other
>Somalian air balloons made out of duct tape and hydrogen
>chain reaction of balloons combusting
>entire settlement destroyed by pack of savages

>>523715
>survivors stranded in ocean, clinging to rubble from the city
>drift into Bermuda Triangle
>find atlantis, get magic floating crystals
>build new, glorious city
>begin thousand-year reign of darkness over the groundlings below

>>520161
plasma arc gasification maybe?
you'll still need to get rid of the slag...

Is it possible to build an airship out of a shipping container?

>>523740
10/10

>>523734
I think the weight would be prohibitive. Neat tech though.

>>523709
Interesting and fun to think about, but I dought that it'd happen.
>>523715
>>523717
Neat!
>>523740
Damn it, 10/10
>>523734
It'd be awesome but >>523775

Is there a rule of thumb for hydrogen or helium, about the volume of the gas necessary to negate exactly one kilo of mass? This is probably high school stuff, but whatever.

>>523868
The lift (about 1kg/1m^3) is pretty much the same, hydrogen being slightly better.

>but what if I'm near a city or densely populated area?
Dump it faggot. It'll be funny.

Im thinking of making an airship with steam its 60% lighter than hot air and with the right equipment and timing (techwise) it could be steadier and could float longer times... the only problem is materials light enough that can resist 150-200 C hot steam inside

>>520161
Alright. I happen to be a waste water tech. Do not vent waste into oceans or basically wherever the hell you want. That's a dick move bro. People like me have to deal with that.

I can possibly help you deal with it in a better fashion however. I will over simplify this as much as possible for convenience. Have you ever heard of a closed ecosystem or an aerated lagoon? Essentially you could use a small enclosed ecosystem to speed up the treatment of waste water in order to produce a more environmentally friendly waste product creating your own mini waste processing plant. This could either change your waste into usable material, easier to dispose of material, or possibly get rid of it altogether depending on how it's done and what you are disposing of.

>>524014
>the only problem is materials light enough that can resist 150-200 C hot steam inside

You're also disregarding completely the MASSIVE power requirements of keeping something with hundreds of square meters of surface area hot inside.

For reference, the average hot air balloon burner cranks out 2-3MW of heat, and these things are only lifting a basket with a couple people in it.

http://gizmodo.com/the-aluminum-airship-of-the-future-has-finally-flown-1301320903?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_facebook&utm_source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

>>524064
forgot pic :(

Private pilot license fag here... (Grunded due to time, family and interest since a few years; so no actual knowledge if something changed in the meantime)

OP, have you read a book on aviation yet? How would you do the 'above clouds and storm' thing?
Hope you know, that even a normal thunderstorm grows up above 10km. The temperatur drop is 1C per 100m... Without a pressure cabin you should take additional oxigene for flying above 2km (above your brain starts to get dizzy and dizzier the higher you get)...

For the waste and energy questions: take a look at the systems that are used in the IIS

poop talk bores me.

buy a bucket kit for wild land firefighting. They are designed to be light, balanced while in flight, and come in convenient quick fill engineered tech that are properly sized for someone trying to restock a holding tank. They can be fairly small 76gallons or larger.

http://www.sei-ind.com/products/bambi-bucket-standard

>>524028
i saw a video in some site, it wasnt utube :( with a guy actually making a cattle to boil water he erected a balloon like 10 meters high and with 5-6 meters diameter

and the machine was no larger than a fridge

with the right insulation and timing ( I am thinking of an inside electric heaters who keep the temp at least 100 C at the highest point in the baloon ) its quite possible to lift at least 2 ppl and a engine

Couldnt you filter water out of clouds?

>>524024
What would be the weight of such a system including having to keep the water of my ship, and the electrical needs of the system?

>>524208
>Couldnt you filter water out of clouds?

>>524437
Couldn't you repurpose an airconditioner to work as a condenser? You would have climate control on the ship, right?

Mother fucker. I've had this same dream for years, OP. And it looks like our plans for execution are really similar in a lot of ways. It also sounds like you're way ahead of me in development (mostly because I'm a poorfag right now).

Uhm... This seems like a good idea, OP. A flyin' winnebago is most badayuss. However, I am concerned about you getting shot down. After all, laws apply to skies above land, but not ruvers and shit.

>>524652
>I am concerned about you getting shot down

If the gubbimint says they want you to land, you don't really have any other options which won't involve prison or death. No point in escalating shit to the level where you get shot.

Why are people still talking about "obama and his sky robots of doom aren't going to tolerate your insolence?" Guys. Airships exist. People fly them. In the United States. How do you think they pull that off?

>>524898
By telling the FAA where they're going so that they don't crash into other airships? I think you also need hella licensing as well.

>less hydrogen
OH SHIT NIGGER WHAT ARE YOU DOING

Also your design in the OP looks utterly retarted. You want the balloon to be above the main deck of the craft, otherwise it'll just tip the fuck over. You also don't seem to have any kind of stabilizing fins or control surfaces or anything. Balloons don't have those because they work by shifting ballast around; your torpedo-like design will just sorta get caught by the wind like a weathervane.

>>524898
People don't fly airships anymore because they're dumb as shit.

But yes, if you get the proper licensing and registrations and all that legal stuff, you can totally fly whatever aircraft you want.

Airspace is also divided up by traffic, and the less traffic, the less regulated it is. So you can freely fly over the barren salt flats of new vermont or whatever, but god help you if you're spotted over an urban center. They won't dispatch F16s right away, but you'll probably get a lot of really huge fines for not registering where you planned on going and air traffic controllers will get mad at ya

>>520405
Lightning has practically a 0% chance to hit you because you aren't grounded
You're the farthest from "grounded" Physically possible

>>520186
No matter how advanced your vessel is, you'll still need to chart your course like you would any other commute.

But if you're so concerned about waste, I'd say to recycle it. Urine (and liquids in general) get flushed to be filtered/distilled/whatever, and the solids can be just sorta shoved away as slag. Either find a use for it, or just seal and dump it.

>>524923
Cloud to cloud lightning is very common and something that has to be taken into account.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=what-happens-when-lightni

>>524928
Well yes but it has no reason to want to travel through your ship which has higher resistance than the air around it

>>524930
>has higher resistance than the air around it
WRONG, FUCCBOI

Bump.

>>524930
You should read the article I linked to. The aircraft itself becomes an emitter, gathering and releasing a charge.

Sombody been playing a little bit too much bioshock infinite.

>>525767
>airships are strictly science fiction and don't exist in real life.
kk

>>525989
Didn't say that.

>>525991
Don't say anything next time

This is an excellent idea, and I really like your design, some larger more technical drawings would be nice, but for the mean time the concept is great.
just a few pointers: A)in order to build on top of the airship, you will need to balance it by having ballast below the centre of lift, any weight you add on the top must be equaled or exceeded below, putting all the storage tanks on the bottom would help, but a permanent ballast system needs to be in place. building under the envelope will save the need for extra weight.
If you use a chemical toilet (like the ones used in caravans and RV's) they usually have a built in storage that last's about a week for one person, by that time you will probably want to stop to resupply, at which point it can be emptied.
have you thought about overnight stopping, on your own there is not going to be anyone at the controls at you sleep, and changes in wind conditions can mean you may drift miles off course overnight, modern autopilot's are built for heavier than air craft and will not take into account the wind effect at the scale that an airship will experience it, finding some way of mooring it when you don't have a purpose built mooring point is going to be a challenge (dropping an anchor into someone's back yard isn't going to make you popular).

>>525996
If OP your a fag.
If not OP your an idiot.
Go stick your dick in a pool recirculator pump, and stop playing so many vidya games dumbshit.
Nobody on 4chan can/will ever complete any kind of FAA approved airship, fun idea as it may be, we live in a temporal realm called REALITY.

>>526203

Calm your dick, man.

>>526203
Nobody in USA, there is many countries in the world that are not total shithole policestate burgershit.
And no I am not OP.

>>526559
burgershit meaaaaans...what again? We're fat, I assume, but you might have a more involved definition.

>>526561
So you are not offended by the shithole and police state definitions but the burger thing offended you ?
Irony.

>>526605
fuck

here is something i thought up

>>526578
not, not really offended by any of it. America's lowest of the low are still way better off than most of the rest of the world, our middle class levels are more numerous per capita, and our rich are, well, fucking rich and assholey about it, but at least many of them have to work at it. Not be born into a royal family.
The "police state" you refer to is one of the most lenient on citizen requirements in the world, ridiculously passive and permissive of sedition and rebellion, only have a vague interest in what 99% of it's population are doing, and last time I heard, we haven't done a lot of law vs population massacres on our soil. Or beheadings. We're not keen on beheadings either.
Burgers are delicious too. Being such tall, muscled people as we are, we like to kick back and kill a sacred animal or two and eat them. Are you...going to fly over us in your beautiful balloon and curse at us in your chittery clicky language?

>>526606
Why?

>>526626
>5'9'' tall
>king of malets
choose two

>>526632
so you could stay up forever and why not why not m8?

>>526943

That would be an indescribably inefficient way to gain water, not to mention requiring following and entering clouds.

I have no aviation know-how but that balloon is hella cool.

Build the future, OP.