/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>441128
Photo of said wall

>>441131
There seems to be a bit of masonry work between the two entryways to the bedrooms. No idea if it continues the length of the wall though.

Sorry for the blurry picture, camera wouldn't focus in such a tight spot.

>>441128
>forgot to change the color of the secondary ridge on the front and rear view
fuck

>>441131

What are the size of those studs and how far apart are they?

>>441133

Use the macro setting.

Also, where is this "between rooms" place? Is it part of that wall thats ripped down? Can you maybe dray a floor plan for us? Is this room he tore apart in the basement or attic? I has a confused.

>>441131

What are the size of those studs and how far apart are they?

>>441133

Use the macro setting.

I'm on the toilet right now and I'm having dinner soon, but I'll help you out afterwards.

>>441140

Pic related.

>>441142
That exactly.

Anyway op, I drew this up quickly so bear with the roughness.

Numbers in the text below refer to the diagram in the pic. Bear in mind the key in the pic (mostly bear in mind that the red lines denote the structural beam/ truss/ post/ column in question)
Also remember that these diagrams depict a structure that would be repeated along the length of the roof every few feet.

Diagram 1) In Australia we don't usually have living space in the attic, so we have plenty of space to put in really strong trusses like the 'w' shape you see.

2) Some attics are more simple and have a 'king post' though these aren't usually used to span much distance.

3) As you can see, diagram 3 has the same system (the king post) as diagram 2, except with more living space in the roof. Your attic could be like this, with the king posts in the wall, though I think this is unlikely considering the size of the space.

4) I think this could be the most likely in your house, and would appear as it is in diagram 5. Check your attic to see if it had any cross beams like this to confirm it.

What makes me suspicious, though, is that you have that brick wall. I'd normally expect a partition wall in that place to just be timber frame clad with plaster.

I don't think the timber part of the wall already exposed (>>441131) is structural. Walls like that, even non structural ones, normally have horizontal braces (studs) so the one you have there would probably be pretty flimsy.

If you're keen to get something done quickly then bash out that timber part, but I wouldn't touch the brick wall.

But even if you're confident in my advice, still get a contractor in to check it out. It won't cost much and it's better to be safe than sorry. And 'sorry' in this instance means sorry about your roof collapsing.

>>441154

Sorry about the pic being on its side.

Also source: Architecture major.

You're welcome.

>>441138
>What are the size of those studs and how far apart are they?
I'd say 2x4, but they're very slightly smaller than that, in both dimensions.

22in/56cm

It is that small bit of wall between the doorways of the bedrooms, where they connect to the hallway.

>>441154
>What makes me suspicious, though, is that you have that brick wall. I'd normally expect a partition wall in that place to just be timber frame clad with plaster.
Nothing in this house makes too much sense, but that's what you get from living in a house that's ~130yrs old.

>still get a contractor in to check it out. It won't cost much and it's better to be safe than sorry
I had tried to get this done multiple times over the past few years, but alas I am unemployed and can only do work around the house to make up for, and paying for a contractor to look at it is unlikely to go over well with my mother.

I'll go and see if there are any cross beams visible from the drop ceiling in the bathroom.

Sorry for the late response, I posted this at 5am, and just passed out.

>>441261
Thanks to some batt insulation and electrical wires, I can't quite get my head up to look around;

These are just my sliding my camera up there and taking a few blind shots.

>>441264
It looks like there are horizontal trusses, but there also seems to be a vertical truss in the center as well.

Just my 2 cents, but...

That seems like a lot of weight to put on the top floor of a 130 year old house with 2x4 trusses.

I would not go any farther with this, build a nice shed out back with a concrete floor or something.

>>441318
It's all up there already, as seen (somewhat) in. >>441131 , slate and all.

We're in all likelihood getting rid of the pool table, I mainly want to do this so I can move up there, as my current room is getting rather cramped, and having the rooms combined into one open space would be nice.

Hot Pink is the wall I would possibly leave up, as well as the door that'd be interested in removing/covering up.

>>441318
This. Pool tables are heavy.

But if you want to push ahead anyway, you have to check to see if the ceiling joists or struts are supported by the top plate. You could also consider just putting in a lintel in.

Bump

Not to be an asshole, but you should give your dad a tape measure for christmas.

>>441520
>Not to be an asshole
Nothing asshole-ish about that.

I would, but he loses pretty any tool he gets his hands on.

I might just have to wait until my uncle comes back up from Arizona, and get him to look at it; I'd rather not wait until summer though.

at least your dad manned up and admitted he had no idea what he was doing before it went too far. Lots of people, after getting halfway into a job like that, would refuse to acknowledge what they are doing is dangerous and just knock down the wall

OP your parents are both dumbasses. Your dad for not checking and your mom for getting pissy about hiring someone who actually knows what they're doing.

>>441961
It isn't so much her getting pissy as it is not fitting into our budget.

>>441966
Guy tha write that massive reply with a diagram here.

I really would get someone in to give an opinion on the brick wall. Call a contractor and ask them if they can give you a free quote on demolishing the brick walls. If they say something like 'it'll be expensive because its a structural wall' then don't touch it. If they say it'll be easy because non- structural, then say thanks, they'll go home and you'll never call them back but you'll know it'd safe to DIY ghd job.

>>442049
I really couldn't see it that well when I first took that picture, but I went and looked at it again the next day while it was still light out, and I'm pretty sure it's thin wood pieces with some type of material between them, rather than brick.

One last bump.

I'm the guy from>>441318, just so you know where I'm coming from....

I understand that the table is already up there, but that doesn't make it a good idea weight-wise.

Also consider - right now the table and slate are probably laying across several trusses, distributing the weight among them. I can't really tell from the pic how it's sitting, in fact I don't really see it in that pic...but anyway...once the table is set up, all of the weight will be focused on the legs (typically four). This greatly increases the amount of weight on each point.

again, just my 2 cents, but this really sounds like an idea that you will eventually regret. I have a background in construction, specifically in older homes and I feel obligated to warn you.

>>443004
Like I've said 2 or 3 times before, the pool table isn't staying, I want to remove the wall to make a large bedroom for myself.

And all the slate is actually, as terrible an idea as that sounds, at the top of the steps.

Hell, I'd be alright with putting a support in somewhere along the wall, I just want a more open floor plan.

>>443004
>>443123
I agree with anon. depending on where you live, especially in most of america right now, it appears the house is not up to code. an upstairs addition requires something on the minimum of 4x6 for flooring to meet code. but even then I'd say go for it except for all this weird crap u are seeing everywhere and that it is 130+ years. Was any reno done recently?

>>443185
We've been here since '99, and haven't done anything to the house other than loosely maintain it.

And the age is my best guess, based on what the previous owners had said, a couple quirks I've noticed myself(miner closets), and when the majority of this neighborhood was developed.

>>441242

"Two-by-fours" are actually 1.75" x 3.5". I have no idea who decided this should be the case, but there you have it.

>>443270
That is pants on head retarded.

At least it's easier to say.

>>443270
>>443272
They were (a long, long time ago) rough cut to 2" by 4" then planed 1/8" on each side for smoothness/straightness.

>>443270

board lumber is sized by the original rough cut not the final dressed size

you can still find "real" sizes, but look for rough in the product name, more likely to find it with larger sizes than anything you might use around the house