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429441 No.429441 [Reply] [Original]

how does everybody stow their extension cords?

>> No.429443 [DELETED] 

>>429441
In a big knot with the rest of them.

I find the metal exercise of untangling them every time I need them to be exhilarating.

>> No.429444

>>429441
In a big knot with the rest of them.

I find the mental exercise of untangling them every time I need them to be exhilarating.

>> No.429446

I wrap mine around a garden trash can..the circle may be larger than other ppls but I'm a lazy diy kinda guy

>> No.429447

http://knots.hostzi.com/rope-storage.html

third one

>> No.429453

if you coil it as shown, learn the method that sailors used to use so that old-fashioned ropes didn't kink or unwind. there might be a video around, which is the easiest way to learn it, but i'll try to describe it.

the basic idea is that each coil reverses the twist that you get if you simply coil it around your hand and elbow.

so, holding one end in your left hand, reach out with your right and grab the cord and place the first loop in your left hand. for this first loop, grab with your right hand facing your left hand, and do this for every other loop.

for the 2nd loop and all alternating loops, reach underneath the cord and grab it with your right hand facing away from you.

it's actually quite easy once you learn it.

>> No.429455

fuck extension cords, I have a micro nuclear reactor I carry around in my backpack. wherever I am, power is. therefore I never need extension cords.

>> No.429460

I cut a bunch of plywood cord wraps a while back, basically looks a bit like a long X with a few notched holes for hanging and putting cord heads through

just pop a head through a hole and pop the cord into the notch and start wrapping around however you want, drop the other head through another hole and it all locks tight

hang them from a hole in one of the X arms on some S hooks in the rafters of the shop

though a few years ago I invested in a dozen or so self reeling extension cords and bolted a few of them to 18" square 1" exterior grade ply bases with a handle routed in them, gives me enough extension that with 3 of them I can loop all the way around the house but they don't tip over because the base is wide enough

>> No.429463

>>429441
On a plastic spool. But you've got really boring extension cords. Mine have colored lights on them every few inches.

>> No.429576

Over-under-over-under master race here.

It's how we do it in the Entertainment industry. If you always start your run from the end you finished with (the end on the outside of the coil) your cord will never tangle.

Elbow wrapping = trashed cords. NEVER do it.

Cord reels are convenient, but once you get good at over-under, they are unnecessary.

You can also over-over coil, but I don't prefer it.

Its a Zen art.

>> No.429578

>>429576
Should mention that the reason we coil this way is because any tape of cord caddy just takes up too much space. When a show has 1000's of feet of cable, most of it is just coiled and shoved in a trunk.

Sometimes, especially for fiber runs, we will have gaffers reels, but thats an exception typically.

>> No.429607

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_sinnet

>> No.429668

>>429607

you sinnet your extension cords?
you're a glutton for time consuming self punishment mate

>> No.429692

daisy chain anyone?

probably my favorite.
REASONS:
-can't tangel if i try
-come un-done in seconds
-look cool
-easy to hang
-if done right, doesn't come un-done.

DOWNFALLS:
-takes more time than a typical wrap
-other people don't know how to do

>> No.429697

>>429668

It's actually really quick once you've done it a few times. Takes me about the same time as over/under and theyr'e self-securing

>> No.429720

>>429453
That's the universal method used in entertainment to keep cables from tangling.. Figure-eight coiling, it might be called. If you do it right, you can grab one end, throw the coil, and it will all uncoil with no kinks or knots.

>> No.429726

>>429720
He described the over-under technique.

Figure 8 it what you do to your feeder cable slack. If you just coiled it you would end up creating an electromagnet.

>> No.429727

>>429726

3 phase AC electromagnet

good luck with that

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429828

I do all my cables and rope like this. Makes it easy to hang them by the small top loop.

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429869

It takes some time, but saves time.
I like how you uncoil only as much as you need.

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429870

like this op, like this :[

>> No.429881

>>429869
This is the only way to do it.

If you are not putting your cords up this way, you are not master race.

>> No.429882

>>429441
dont plug them into themself, pockets of electricity get in and wear out the lining

>> No.429884

>>429881
try that on a gig and see what happens to ya

>> No.429885

>>429726
Oh, this. The age-old argument, as to whether or not coiled cable will create an electromagnet.
Short answer: No, it's a myth. You've got no net magnetic field.

>> No.429886

>>429885
I've been told by seasoned stagehands that it will.

Personally, I don't see the need to fig 8 multi cable, but with feeder, well, better safe than sorry.

>> No.429902

>>429886
I've talked with lots of people who believe it and lots who don't, and one TD who'd freak out if you didn't fig all cable all the time.
In truth, if you study the physics at work here, you'd see that there will be no electromagnet effect. Fundamentally, all the current you're putting through that cable is being returned in the same cable (if that's not the case, you've got a seriously fucked up electrical system), so the field cancels out.
Now, if you're using separate cables for each phase, that'll all be true as long as they're parallel. But take just one of those cables by itself, wrap it, and you'll have an electromagnet.

>> No.430140

over-under is for people who like to show off.
the cable in the factory gets wound on a reel same as wrapping normally on your arm or whatever.
cables have a bend radius, just dont wrap tighter than that.

whoever says figure 8 is better because of electromagnetic effects needs to try it out and follow the cable, the wrap direction doesn't change.
It does change between loop halfs though.
you still create a field but its more concentrated around the crossing if anything.

also yeah of course as others say you would need single phase / currents not summing to 0.

>> No.430146

>>430140
have you ever actually used an elbow wrap in comparison to over under or a spool? It's not the same

>> No.430169

>>429441
I have a secret way to wrap and tie the cord and its so secret and simple yet complex that its too much of a gem to share with the world. sorry faggots.

>> No.430171

>>430146
just don't pull it too tight and you will find it is the same.
how is it different?

>> No.430182

>>430171
In over/under there's no net twist. Grab one end of the cable, throw the bunch, and it'll most likely twist and tangle. That makes it hard to run cables in a hurry.

>> No.430354

>>429902
Yes, and think we have a misunderstanding in terms here.

6 circuit multi cable does not need to be figure 8'd, even tho so many ME's make me do.

Now, FEEDER cable is where you might have, 5 2AWG, 1/0, 2/0 or 4/0 copper cables, 3 for phases, 1 for neutral and 1 for ground. So, you do have single current carrying conductors.

>> No.430355

When you elbow wrap, you are FORCING the wire to behave in a certain way. Wire and cable is manufacturer with a twist in the strands. When you elbow wrap or use cable reels, it fights the natural twist in the cable. This causes the pigtailed and forever mangled cords we all hate. Elbow wrapping does it the quickest, cable reels do eventually.

>> No.430356

>>430140
No, over under is used to prevent tangled (as long as you start with the outside end). People who don't like over-under are the people who start their runs using the end from the center of the coil.

Elbow wrapping ruins cables. I have seen the evidence hundreds of times.

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>>429828
I do the same because seamen. Everyone who is different does so because semen.

>> No.431208

>>430182
tried it 100 times and counted.
0 times it tangled.
>>430355
if you elbow wrap loosely without pulling the cable taught there is no forcing. there is more force on the cable in over/under, which is why it springs out when you unravel it.
>>430356
never had a tangling issue, dont know what you mean by runs.
elbow wrapping loosely does not ruin the cable. i have never seen it even 1 time

>> No.431226

>>431208
elbow wrapping loosely with no force isn't elbow wrapping at all, its just regular wrapping with your arm bent. And only you do it.

My over/unders never spring apart. Don't know why yours do.

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431227

I found a good pick of what elbow wrapping causes

>> No.431228

I just coil them up how they naturally want to coil, usually this means twisting the extension cord between my fingers and freeing up the twisted up tangle flopping around on the floor as I'm neatly using my elbow arm as a gauge or just letting the coil in my hand hang free.

>> No.431231

>>431226
>elbow wrap

not even once

>> No.431234

>>430169
Fuck off nigger. Nobody cares how small your cock is. Learn to shut the fuck up

>> No.431255

>>431234
>e-toughguy

>> No.431273

I bought a few cheap ass plastic things that i can wind the cord onto. they were only about $2 from walmart (ive seen them for ~$5 elsewhere) and i dont think they will last too long.

last time i was in home depot i saw this and it seems neat, though they seem a bit flimsy. maybe they have a "contractor-grade" model on their website or something

www cableclamp com/

>> No.431305

>>431273
i used these for my air hoses, they're like 15-20$

>> No.431456

>>431226
no you wrap it around the elbow but just dont force it
>>431227
never seen this happen to any of my cables
>>431231
if you haven't tried it then you shouldn't be offering your opinion, as it is worthless.

>> No.431499

>>431456

Elbow wrap is strictly for noobs who don't realize it fucks your cords. Usually when a dumbass laborer ( like yourself) is new to the job site, he'll wrap a cords that way, I'll yell at him and he never does it again.
Consider this your yelling, bitch.

Again, its not an opinion, its a fact. Elbow wrapping twists the wire beneath the sheathing. After only a couple of wraps, your cord would look like the one in that guys picture.
I'm glad to offer my expertise and I hoped I helped all of those young apprentices out there!
Don't elbow wrap!

>not even once

>> No.431507

>>431499
It doesn't harm the cord unless you are a dumbass. Most people are dumbasses though. You have to allow the cord to turn freely as you wrap or what you say will happen.

>> No.431510

>>431507
You'll learn someday, son...

>> No.431512

>Cable has a kink in it but functionally perfect

FUCK IT, IT'S FUCKED

>> No.431517

>>431499

>idiot doesn't understand bend radius of cable

How the fuck did you get into a supervisory position, again? Even a basic network engineer pleb knows about this shit.

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431528

>>431510
Learn to read,

>You have to allow the cord to turn freely as you wrap

Meaning it doesn't twist. I've been wrapping extension cables for over 30 years now around my elbow and have never had problems with the wires twisting inside. It is the same thing you need to do when you wind up a garden how on your elbow. You need to give it room and fling the thing up properly.

Stop being a dumbass.

>> No.431530

>>431227
>I found a good pick of what incorrect elbow wrapping causes

fixed

>> No.431532

>>431510
Learn to wrap it correctly over the elbow. You don't force it. You let it spin and you flip it over to prevent that shit. I've been elbow wrapping them for over 30 years and never once had that problem. Some of my extension cords are 10-15 years old too.

>> No.431538

>>431532
>spin and flip
fffff motherfucker pedants.
you're not even elbow wrapping if you're flipping the cord as you wrap it. That's sailor/lineman style. Perfectly legit.

>> No.431541

>>431517
>doesn't understand bend radius of cable
>elbow wrap

oh the fail...

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431544

I just fold the cord and tie a knot in the middle.

>> No.431546

>>431532
>elbow wrapping for 30 years
>just finds out hes been doing it wrong this whole time

fuck bro, your not gonna make it

>> No.431565

>>431538
But, I'm wrapping it on my elbow. That's elbow wrapping to me. By flipping I mean I give the yet-to-be-wound cord a good flip and a twirl so it doesn't become twisted as I wrap it up. It can't be done in a small space like a closet for instance; no room to give a flip in.

>> No.431567

>>431565
I'm seriously amazed that these elbow wrap people haven't found the right way to wrap cords.
im lol'ing so hard right now

>> No.431569

>>431567
this here >>431565 works and it is fast and easy. i've seen people not flip and the cords end up with them getting twisted as fuck.

>> No.431572

>>431567

>this person thinks he's right about something that doesn't matter unless you're dealing with solid-core wire or fiber-optic cables.

What a fucking fool.

>> No.431583

>>431572
or coax

>> No.431584

>>431572
>doesn't matter unless you're dealing with solid-core wire or fiber-optic cables.
what is stranded wire
uber-fail, fool

>> No.431586

>>431584

>stranded wire has far higher tolerances to being bent and tightly-wrapped into a narrow bend radius

Nope, you fail. Come back when you actually understand basic engineering.

Actually, come back when you have US, AUS, China, and Japanese engineering certifications.

>>431583

Co-ax counts as solid-core.

>> No.431593

>>431586
>higher tolerance, narrow bend radius

Has nothing to do with twisting under sheathing which causes kinks.

You don't grasp the problem and you're getting upset about it while proving yourself wrong.

truly hilarious.

>> No.431599

>>431593

>doesn't understand higher tolerance wires are flexible enough that they don't kink when you elbow-wrap, even inside the sheathing, if you get cords MADE TO ISO STANDARDS.

You are certainly no engineer.

>> No.431608

>>431599
>doesn't understand that electrical cords have 3 sheathed wires twist wrapped inside another sheathing, untwisting of these are what cause kinks.
>keeps implying you need an engineering degree to coil a cord

If you are actually an engineer, this lesson is gonna be a hard one for you :)

>> No.431617

>>431608

I've taken apart everything from extension cords to 480-volt 4-phase wiring cables.

We get ones made to standards (you know those things that help to ensure reliability?) and elbow-wrap every last one of them. No sheathing slippage, no kinkage, no tangles.

Look at the poorfag that uses cheap etension cables with that crap paper insert, instead of a proper three-conductor cable that's fully-sealed with the insulating cord wrapping, so it NEVER kinks or slips.

Such an argumentative retard.

>> No.431619

Hillarious thread.

I just stow it together then spend half an hour taking it out..

or i elbow wrap with pretty much the same result because i mix up the ends..

Nah, most of my cords are on spools. My favorite one is rated at 3kw when it is fully rolled up and i dont remember how much when its not, but a bit more.

>> No.431633

>>431617
In conclusion, you have nothing to offer in rebuttal, so you resort to:
>We get ones made to standards
>poorfag that uses cheap etension cables (yes, etension)
>proper three-conductor cable that's fully-sealed with the insulating cord wrapping NEVER kinks (tell that to the laborer's who kinked mine and dozens in the past)
Then, after losing the argument miserably, resorts to desperate name calling.
>Such an argumentative retard.

If you are an engineer, which firm is it you work for? I'm sure your colleagues would have a good laugh at this

>> No.431640

>>431633

I contract across the globe. I work for nobody but myself, and I get the job done.

Example = http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=2r5gleg&s=7 come back when you can design and build one of these, eh?

Lost an argument? You were never even a contender, child.

>> No.431650

>>431640
You keep saying your an engineer to deflect the issue, If you felt you were winning you wouldn't have to resort to this.

Also, we both know you might be a first year engineering student at the most ( most likely flunking out if you couldn't figure out something simple like why cords kink)

re-read >>431608
it was your simple lesson, study it hard, there might be a quiz to come!!!

>> No.431654

>>431640
>I work for myself
>unemployed

>> No.431661

>>431650

Not only did I say I'm an engineer, I posted proof of my work.

And it's certified for the entire EU and Asia, with a North American version coming soon, with solar power included.

Now post proof of your work. If you can.

>>431654
>unemployed

Nope. Plenty of jobs to do. Working with SinkPAD/Cree right now on designing a carbon thermal solution for high-power LEDs.

>> No.431670

>>431661
>still deflecting

class is out, your free to go kiddo!

>> No.431674

>>431654
It is called, "self-employed".

>> No.431675

>>431670

You've failed to provide any counter-argument. You've only said you're wrong, no proof of nothing.

You've lost. Way to be a sore loser and keep trying to claim victory when you had your ass thoroughly stomped into the ground by someone with an easy 20+ years of experience on you.

>> No.431679

>>431675
you may want to re-read all of the posts

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431680

>>431617

>> No.431687

>>431679

Reading the posts, I don't see where he proves he's correct. In fact, the very cable he's talking about isn't even made to standards. Real extension cables have three conductors, fully-contained inside first individual insulating sheaths, then all suspended and totally contained within a second insulative cover, which is molded around all the conductors. They can't move, slip, or kink, because they're separated from each other and kept that way by the secondary insulative cover, which is around ever section of the conductor.

And that's a standard cable. In that configuration, it's impossible to cause kinking or slippage, and tangling is nearly impossible. It's the same thing as done in no-tangle guitar co-ax cables.

>> No.431690

I dont see what everyone is getting so butthurt about in this thread?
I have never bothered to over/under wrap cables
I have never wrapped a cable around my arm (i could never do it without making a mess)

At the end of the day the cable in the factory gets rolled onto a spool.
That spool makes no effort to 'over/under' the cable.

The only time i have heard anything about reeling a cable is when i was working on a ship laying undersea power cables to islands.
The exterior layer is a rope/tar mix, and when you reel it up on the ship it has to be wound according to the direction of the rope winding, as doing it the wrong way causes the rope layer to unravel.

anyway...

as long as you don't put too much force on the cable when you wrap it any method is as good as any other as far as i have seen.

with the exception of over/under because its overly time consuming and the majority of people who do it are power hungry control freaks with no purpose of over-under wrapping other than to show off.

>> No.431694

>>431687
>obvious samefag is obvious

>> No.431698

>>431694

>not trying to be a samefag, is offering an actual response.

Now you're just being a moron.

>> No.431701

>>431687
>impossible to kink or tangle electrical cords

just leave

>> No.431703

>>431701

>doesn't know there are patents that deal with this exact issue

>too stupid to know anything about electrical

>doesn't own a tangleless/kinkless cable.

Go to a guitar shop. You'll find tons of them, And they work as advertised.

>> No.431709

>>431703
still trying to dig yourself out i see..

>> No.431719

>>431690
Haven't seen any problems with over-under yet. It makes it easy to keep it a uniform length and won't twist.

If you elbow wrap without untwisting it, you're really fucking up your rope. Every time you go around your elbow you're putting a twist in the rope. Topology how does it work?

Elbow wrap, never taking either hand off the rope: twisted rope n time.

Elbow wrap, untwist every loop, that's cool.
Over-under, twist cancels out between loops. that's cool.

Reel, no twist, that's cool.

No-twist cord: Doesn't seem like you're doing it any favors by treating it like shit just because it can take it for awhile.

>> No.431726

>>431719
elbow wrap= noob tier

>> No.431727

>>431719
problem is the attitude of the people that use it

>> No.431730

>>431727
>Anonymous 04/06/13(Sat)17:06 No.431727
I can definitely see that now...

>> No.431734

I elbow wrap without getting the rope/cord twisted. It's pretty fucking easy to prevent and you can wrap really fast.

Anyone having trouble with that is either very ignorant or a complete fucking moron.

>> No.431738

>>431734
You must be wrapping cords short enough that they can untwist naturally. If it's too long for the fly end to untwist...

>> No.431742

>>431734
there's a much faster/better way

>> No.431743

>>431703
>guitar cords

LOL

>> No.431744

>>431738
No, I'm just not a complete fucking moron like you.

>>431742
You are not faster than I am so fuck of you cheeky cunt.

>> No.431746

>>431738

50ft tangleless guitar cable. elbow wrap. Not a problem.

>>431709

Still being a totally clueless tool, I see.

>> No.431748

>>431743

>doesn't understand guitar cords will show their damage from kinking and whatnot more readily than a power transmission cord.

Well, not surprised. This isn't /g/ and even then they still don't know anything.

>> No.431751

>>431744
>you are not faster than me.
apparently I'm smarter as well...

>> No.431754

>>431675
The fact that you keep deflecting the issue means you know you've lost, newfriend.

>failed to provide counter argument
see >>431608


sorry I had to trounce you so bad, but c'mon, elbow wrap power cords? rly? wat r u 8?

>> No.431755

>>431751
>then

Cheeky fucking cunt.

>more smart

>> No.431756

>>431755
>elbow wraps

>> No.431760

Hi guys, I'm 18 and new to construction. I made the mistake of wrapping all of the cords elbow wrap and now they're all kinked up and my boss is pissed. Any advice on how to unkink them??

>> No.431762

>>431754

Counter argument was "Apparently you don't understand we have patents that handle that."

Some patents since you're too stupid to look for yourself.

http://www.google.com/patents/US5168128

http://www.patentgenius.com/patent/5439390.html

Any further questions, oh dumb-ass? Oh, many of these little things happen to be part of or derived from a STANDARD.

>too stupid to follow the conversation
>probably failed to graduate high school
>shade-tree electrician with no certification or license

And you're still not even able to build research facilities like in the video I linked to above, and keep them water-safe by international standards.

So what's your argument? You have none, child. Detach yourself from mommy's PC, she has bills to balance and men on Craigslist to fuck.

>> No.431766

>>431760
Wrap them the other direction.

Also, why didn't you just elbow wrap them correctly instead of incorrectly?

>> No.431768

>>431762
>still deflecting the issue
>starts talking about guitar cords
>uses the word shade-tree?
>talks about building research facilities
>post links to support his deflection
>is overall extremely upset that he got told hard

The mind of an elbow wrapper...

>> No.431779

>>431768
>>uses the word shade-tree?

If you don't understand that term you're definitely a child.

Also, support a deflection? What deflection? It's a direct counter to your bullshit and asinine argument that elbow wrapping causes kinks and such. Only poorfags like your allowance-budget child self buying sub-standard cabling have issues with this. The rest of the professional world does not have this problem.

>> No.431783

>>431779
>self-implosion

>> No.431785

>>431746
50ft guitar cords.

well yeah. Everyone here talking about kinks and tangles is talking about 120' or 300' runs I think. You're right, you do have to be pretty dumb to fyck up storing 50feet of cable

>> No.431787

>>431785

I'm betting the idiot poster arguing with me has problems even keeping a 25ft extension cord kink-free using the elbow-wrap.

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>>431779
dayum, this guy dun had a mental breakdown..

>> No.431793

>anti-elbow wrap mater-race reporting in

>> No.431805

>>431779
What deflection?
lel

>> No.431808

>>429441
I worked for a guy that would tie a knot in the center and then braid the rest of the cord. It drove me bat shit. It made the cord all kinked and took forever to undo. Great logic, tie the cord in a bunch of knots to keep it from getting knotted.

>> No.431814

>>431791
>>431805
>>431783


Total samefagging.

>> No.431825

>>431808
this is almost bad as elbow wrapping

>> No.431826

During the course of these thread I've elbow-wrapped about 6 extension cords.

I did it the correct way so they'd not be twisted.

>> No.431828

>>431826
i bet it took you twice as long as doing it the proper way, faggot

>> No.432435

>>431828
that is the proper way

>> No.432450

>>429692
Show me how to daisy chain a 100 foot 10 gauge 3 wire cord please.

>> No.432458

>>432450
with great difficulty.

>> No.432495

>>431828
So, what is the "proper way" you speak of?

>> No.432580

>>432495
top secret

there's a guy in this thread who's been elbow wrapping for 30 years HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

If I tell you then he'll find out, which will deprive his co-workers of much laughter

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>>432580
Elbow wrapping the correct way is fast, easy, and doesn't screw up the cord.

Seems to me like you don't elbow wrap correctly and end up with badly twisted cords. Now you are bitter and want everyone else to be bitter instead of merely learning to do it the correct elbow wrap way.

It is okay though, regardless of what you do, we will still point and laugh.

>> No.432598

>>432583


confirmed for rustled.

>> No.432628

>>432583
unplugged and everything!

>> No.432629

>>432598
even if he was rustled, he isn't a faggot.
(that's you.)

>> No.432631

>>432629

rustle's brother?

>> No.432635

>>432631
the only rustling i can hear is you rustling around with cables instead of elbow wrapping them

>> No.432639

>>432635
rustle101

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432642

>>432635
(you)

>> No.432643
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432643

>>432635

>> No.432648

>>432643
see>>432642

>> No.432651

>>432648
see >>432651

>> No.432656
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432656

Hi guise,
I've been elbow wrapping for 30 years. I found out today on 4chan hat I've been doing it wrong this whole time and I'm not taking it very well. I've been samefaging really hard to try to convince myself that others elbow wrap too. Later, i'm gonna watch some youtube videos on how to wrap cords properly and feel extra old and stupid.

>> No.432679

this really has to be the stupidest argument 4chan has come up with in years

>> No.432682

this thread is funny, I just ball up my cords and stuff them in a p tote and throw them in the back of my truck.

>> No.432696

I always used to elbow-wrap cords, never knew any other way of doing it. Then I got into theater, learned how to wrap them the right way. Over-and-under, and secure the roll with a piece of tie line. I don't do it any other way now, except for really long (>100') cables, which we store on reels.

>> No.432697

>>432697

>> No.432708

>>429441

>> No.432773

Shit, elbow wrapping the right way is easy. This >>431227 is what happens when you do it wrong. All you have to do is get that lasso thing going and its all wrapped up in seconds. Even the 150' cords wrap fast like that.

>> No.432907

Guiz, don't elbow wrap, mmmkay

>> No.432909

Do ANY gig in the entertainment industry, and I DARE you to elbow wrap a cable just once too see how fast you either get yelled at or fired.

>elbow wrap
>not even once

>> No.432919

I've been in construction and crew work for around 15 years. Elbow wrapping is fine. Do it right. Don't just wrap it up. As you wrap it flip it. Takes seconds to do.

People like this >>432909 are just thread trolls. Ignore them.

>> No.432922

>>432919
No, not just trolls. That may be how you do it in construction, but in entertainment (well, in sound at least, I don't know how lighting guys do it), it's always over-under.

>> No.432930

>>432922
Lighting here. Depends on the cable. Big fat snakes I might just coil into a case however they decide they want to behave, but anything else I over under. When you can't over-under, let the cable be your guide.

I'e used 30 or more year old cables at times. Since they were properly cared for, they still run out and lay great.

>> No.432940

>>432909
lel well of course if your in the entertainment industry then of course you are going to get into trouble for not taking care of your monster solid gold infinite shield individually braided high frequency coated cables.
Come work in a proper job, but if you waste my time wrapping cables like a sissy i'll yell at you too.

>> No.432949

>>432940
we dont buy or use monster cable solid gold infinite shield. That gimmicky best buy shit is for plebs like you.

You can't elbow wrap 100' of 12/3 SOOW like you can whatever home depot special cord you got off the isle end cap.

>> No.432960

>>432949

I can, with my long arms. Maybe you can't with your weak pleb-tier body incapable of holding a 25lb length of wire.

>> No.432965

>>432949
I can elbow wrap 150' of 8 gauge 4-strand, without trouble or twisting.

Stop being a manlet.

>> No.432994

>successful troll is successful

>> No.433032

>>432965
Oh now you're just trying to rustle me

>> No.433123

>>432949
what a weak ass faggot.
PS if you didnt live in a shit tier 120v country your cables wouldn't need to be so heavy.

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>>433032
That is also true, and does not make my statements any less true.

>> No.433142

>>433123
The longer the cable the thicker they need to be. In the USA you have 120v and 240v in homes.

>> No.433143

>>433142
no if you have a higher voltage you need less current for the same power.
that means you can use thinner cables

>> No.433146

>>433142
>>433143
its not that simple.

It depends on the amperage you need and the distance you are going, as well as the voltage.

>> No.433147

>>433142
>>433146
>>433143
That may well be true, but if you don't elbow wrap those cables you'll end up with all sorts of kinks in the wires. That will prevent the amps from getting through the cable properly.

>> No.433151

>>433146
1. amperage isn't a word
2. you are a faggot
3. for a fixed distance & load a higher voltage allows for a thinner cable

I didn't mention cable length or load originally because normally when someone claims changing a single variable leads to an alternative result nobody jumps in (as you seem to have done) and claim results to be different when changing alternate variable between samples.

>> No.433153

>>433147
I think you mean IF you elbow wrap.

The kinks are from broken strands that make up the individual conductors. The more broken individual strands in a conductor, the more limited is its current carrying capacity. Their breakage is accelerated by destructive coiling techniques.

>> No.433158

>>433151
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/amperage

Now go fuck yourself with your higher voltage

>> No.433161

>>433153
No, incorrectly elbow wrapping can be a problem, but if you do it correctly there's never a problem. I've been elbow wrapping for the past 6 years and all my extension cords are quite fine.

>> No.433174

>>433158
>everything on the internet is true
its a stupid word for stupid people.
go sodder something

>> No.433179

>>433174
>merriam-webster only exists on the internet

>> No.433181

>>433179
i hope your faggotry only exists on the internet

>> No.433182

>>432940
>monster solid gold infinite shield individually braided high frequency coated cables.
Ironically considering price, those cables are a river of shit.
A regular old shielded twisted-pair cable carrying balanced audio (costs mere cents per foot) will out-perform any of that crap any day. That's why it's used in entertainment. You don't know what you're talking about.

>> No.433183

>>433174
Solder.


God you are such a raging butthurt faggot

>> No.433185

>>433182
Oh my god, sense in this thread? That left ages ago sir.

>> No.433189

>>433151
>1. amperage isn't a word

You sound like one of those kids back in elementary school who say, "ain't isn't a word!"

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>>433182
>shielded
>audio
>cables

>> No.433191

>>433190
here we go!

>> No.433199

>>433191
Dude, shielding of audio cords isn't to protect the audio signal. It's to line the pockets of the people you buy it from.

If you are having line noise troubles, it will be from your equipment, not from the unshielded cables.

>> No.433201

>>433191
http://consumerist.com/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-sound-as-good-monster-cables/

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>>433190
This stuff. The global standard for professional audio. This is more stuff you'd find in conduit and behind equipment racks, mic cable is a little more durable (and more expensive) because it has to take a beating.

>> No.433219

>>433190
Amplified signals aren't as susceptible. It's the unamplified signal level stuff that needs shielding

>> No.433223

>>433199

>I don't know that things like RF can rectify onto long wires,introducing noise!

That's the point of the shield. Ever put a cellphone near a speaker and heard weird noises?

You don't need super high end cables,but shielding does have a purpose.

>> No.433255

>>433190
>>433199
Let's make sure we clarify something RIGHT NOW, because threads have gone shitstorm over this issue.
This isn't SPEAKER CABLES we're talking about. They don't need to be shielded, because the speaker won't reproduce the minute noise picked up.
However, cables carrying LINE LEVEL and MIC LEVEL signals should be shielded, because any noise picked up will be amplified.

>> No.433258

>>433255
thank you

>> No.433268

>>433255
probably you should shield them then, to avoid them leaking rf.

>> No.433272

There's never a need to shield audio cables except maybe to protect other more sensitive cables like non-analogue data cables from their interference. Otherwise, you are a massive tard for buying shielded cables.

>> No.433279

>>432909
exactly bro, same goes for the construction industry.
That's why I had to annihilated this guy >>431456 >>432583 for elbow wrapping.

Now, join me in a feast of laughter at the elbow-wrap sub-species.

>> No.433280

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>> No.433282

This one time I elbow wrapped a cable and then my whole family died.

>> No.433284

>>433282
You deserved it.

>> No.433285

>>433279
the posts you quoted are two different people who disagree with you btw.
cant speak for the other guy but i don't consider your post to have 'had to annihilated' me or my use of proper elbow wrap.

>> No.433286

>>433285
>elbow wrapper
poor judgment skills

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>>433279
I can't help it if you are so dense as to not be able to elbow wrap properly. You display quite a few mental abnormalities ITT, but I'm not going to point them out since I'm not a psychiatrist. I did however, notice you are a manlet who does not have the physical ability it takes to properly elbow wrap...

>> No.433969

>>433350
I'm 6' 3".

You fail yet again samefag

>> No.433970

>>433969
6 3 & 77 lbs.

>> No.433976

>>433970
>enraged

>> No.433980

>>433350
>properly elbow wrap
this only works if you have stumpy little t-rex arms
ITT Cee Lo Green teaches cord wrapping

>> No.433988

>>433980
LOL

>> No.434006

>>433969
I think that YOU are infact the real samefag in this thread.

>> No.434010

>>434006
nope, sorry bro
>>433980 and this guy >>433969
aren't the same person.

>> No.434131

>>433980
>projecting hard

Actually, it has nothing to do with the wrap itself, but instead everything you do prior to actually putting the wrap onto your arm.

>> No.434158

>>434131
not projecting
quite the opposite really
arm is long enough that elbow wrapping yields a coil larger than proper over under and ends up twisting
i suppose it's just a disadvantage of being 6'5"/225
i would give anything to be able to execute a proper over under elbow wrap electricians loop
but it would be too hard to fap with t-rex arms
fuck that shit

>> No.434169

>>434158
I think you missed the point completely.

>> No.434173

>>434169
there was a point?

>> No.434349 [DELETED] 

>>433182
>>433190
>>433191
>>433199
>>433201


You guys seriously shut the fuck up, he's not talking about your faggot consumer audio cables he's talking about impedance balanced XLR cables. Shielding matters a ton with them as does over-under coiling so you don't fucking break the strands, thus "unbalancing" the cable.

>> No.434595

>>434158
You.
I like you.

>> No.434596

So, because of this thread, I tried loosely elbow wrapping a piece of DMX cable, since apparently that's how you do it.


Nope, even loosely elbow wrapped, like that one faggot insists on, it still twists the cable in such a way that it will cause damage faster than proper coiling will.

elbow wrap
>not even once

>> No.434612

>>434596
Exactly.
There's a faggot in this thread claiming to be an engineer.

Its the professional equivalent to a pedo priest or a serial killer judge.

Should be shot.

>> No.434628

>>434596
lol No.

To properly elbow wrap you need to flip the cord as you wrap it. By 'flip' I mean you need to lift the cord line up and give it a bit of a snap in the air in the opposite direction of the twist; it looks like you are trying to make a lasso as you wrap. Like you would try to move a long garden hose over an obstacle in the yard by giving it a flip in one direction. So you wrap and flip the entire time. This way you can go very fast when winding it between your elbow and hand.

>> No.434633

>>434628
>lol no
lol no

>> No.434637

>>434633
I'll smack you, Fred. Shut your yap.

>> No.434638

>>434637
DIDN'T I ALREADY FIRE YOU?

>> No.434655

>>434628
>still doesn't know how to wrap a cord

>> No.434693

>>434628
You are wrong. You will always be wrong. No matter how many times you describe this ludicrous method it will still be wrong. Go home. No one is there right mine is going to lasso some fucking cable all over the place on a gig or job site.

You sir, are a special little snow flake, and you are wrong.

>> No.434710

>>434693
> No one is there right mine
But you're right. Elbow wrapping is for fucktards

>> No.434719

>>434655
>>434693
>>434710
Hey, if you want to just troll like tards, go ahead. Proper elbow wrapping will always be the fastest, easiest method of wrapping up electrical cords in exsistance.

Simply because you lack what little forethought that is needed to do it properly doesn't mean you need to drag everyone else down to your level.

On 2 of the crews I've worked I've seen people incorrectly use the elbow wrap and get fired yet right along side them the employees that correctly elbow wrap don't get fired, because they are not tards.

Only an idiot would habitually elbow wrap cords incorrectly when elbow wrapping them correctly is so easy to do.

>> No.434720

>>434719
Don't mind them. Crew workers are always morons who can't think for themselves and can only do what they are told to do. That's why they have shit jobs like in construction.

Here's the type of people you are dealing with ITT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFgtk8vI-_4

>> No.434723

>>434655
>>434710
>>434719
>>434720
>samefag

Just let this shit drop already, fuck.

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>>434723
>saging a thread that is at the top of the front page

>> No.434732

>>434720
>>434719
>samefaggot

Didn't watch the video link, I'm sure sure its just an extension of your uncontrollable butthurt.

>> No.434736

>>434731
hahahah ikr

Elbow wrappers are good at two things:
1.ruining electrical cords
2.failing

>> No.434833

>>434732
> I'm sure sure its just an extension of your uncontrollable butthurt.

Your butthurt is so palatable in this thread that I could elbow wrap it up and stow it with the other neatly untwisted asspains I've encountered ITT.

>> No.434840

ITT: faggots that don't know how to elbow wrap without getting twisted

lol hahahahaha sure is 15yo NEET pickup summer job in here

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>> No.434844
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>> No.434846

I think we should have a global /diy/ meetup, and watch the elbow wrappers and everybody else beat the shit out of each other with cables.

>> No.434856

>>434719
There is NO WAY to CORRECTLY elbow wrap.

dont fucking elbow wrap.

If you elbow wrap you are WRONG.

>> No.434857
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>>434843
Faggots.

>> No.434860

>>434856
Just flip the cord in the opposite direction of the twist as you wrap. It is easy as cake. If you can ride a bike you can correctly elbow wrap.

>> No.434861

>>434723
nope there are in fact several different faggots in this thread, of which I am one

>elbow wrap
>not even once

>> No.434862

>>434860
>If you can ride a bike you can correctly elbow wrap.

Have you seen those bike fags on /n/?

>> No.434865

>>434719
>On 2 of the crews I've worked I've seen people incorrectly use the elbow wrap and get fired yet right along side them the employees that correctly elbow wrap don't get fired, because they are not tards.

I don't believe this story

>> No.434867

>>434865
If you wrap the cords without knowing what you are doing you ruin the cord by twisting up the wires inside. Destruction of equipment like that is grounds for being fired. Crew bosses are not known for their understanding and caring nature.

>> No.434869

>>434867
Yes, but you think a crew boss is smart enough to tell who is elbow wrapping *correctly* and who isn't?

>> No.434871

>>434869
It is instantly obvious.

>> No.434870

I dunno what the technique is, I just take my cable and stretch both arms out along it. Then bring my hands together, stretch out again, and repeat the process.

You still get even loops, and it's faster than elbow wrapping because you can develop a metronome like swing that does the work for you practically.

>> No.434872

>>434870
>arm stretch method

Jesus fuck. No one listen to this troll or you'll get fired ASAP. What are you drunk or just a faggot troll?

>> No.434875

>>434872
i hear the faint rustle of jimmies in the distance...

>> No.434877

>>434871
one way you look like a faggot, and the other way you look like a nigger?

>> No.434880

>>434872
>fired

Sorry I don't work construction. I'm not a mexican. Arm stretch method is the same way to coil line while sailing. Which I do, on my yacht.

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434888

>>434880
>implying ropes on a ship have wires in them

lol Look at this faggot.

>> No.434890

>>434888
There are no 'ropes' on a boat.

>> No.434891

>>434888
>implying ropes don't get kinks, knots, or can lose their twist or otherwise get fucked up if you mishandle them?

This whole thread. Successful troll is successful. And probably unintentional. What a fucking pile of shit this turned into.

>> No.434894

>>434880
>implying rope should be handled in same manner as conductors
>yacht
provenance or it didn't happen

>> No.434905

>>434890
>boat
>yacht

Holy shit. You don't even know what a ship is. How can you know what a rope, cord, or wire are? hahaha oh wow.

>> No.434907

>>434894
Actually LINE should be handled in the same manner as conductors, in that you don't want your lines to twist. Otherwise they can seriously tangle as you're running them out.

Which while sailing can cause death.

>> No.434913

>>434907
You don't elbow wrap a boat's twine because there's tons of it and it weighs far more than your 25 feet 12/3 extension cord. Only an idiot would attempt that.

In case you don't know, sailing is not the same as working on a construction crew or doing anything with extension cords. Why would you be so retarded?

>> No.434921

>>434913
I never said elbow wrap it slapdick, I said arm-stretch it.

And you don't elbow wrap line because of the reason I said. . . tangles. Not because of weight.

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434932

>>434921
>failing to do something simple as elbow wrapping without getting it tangled

>> No.434942

>>434932
>elbow wrapping
>already fAiled

>> No.434950
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>> No.435065

It's really not that hard, I learned how to properly coil a cord back in high school. Look on you tube, I'm sure they have a tutorial.

>> No.435427

>>434932
>posting that pic
>2013

can't into 4chan sonny son son?

elbow wrapping=cancer

>> No.435450

>>434932
>without getting it tangled

it doesn't tangle you fucking moron, it twists the cord!!

DO YOU WANT YOUR CORD TWISTED???

i think i made my point

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436000

Bumping to keep this wonderful thread alive.

I'd like to add that I tried elbow wrapping at work today. Its the fucking dumbest way to wrap a cord. Not only does it get your clothes dirty, it kinks up the cord EVERY WRAP, you look like a retard doing it and it takes 10 times longer than the proper way.

Tl:dr elbow wrappers you are so dumb . You are really dumb.

>> No.436005

>>436000
fo' real

>> No.436067
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436067

Worked in an AV shop where every single cable had this on one end.

>> No.436080

>>436000
wow you are still shitposting in here?
really nothing better to do?

>> No.436085
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436085

>>435427
lol newfags

>> No.436086
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436086

>>436000
>can't elbow wrap properly and damages his equipment
>gets dirty on the job
>doesn't clean his equipment
>is really slow

#WouldFire

>> No.436090

>>436086
>elbow wrapping at all
>would fire

>> No.436092

>>436086
>thinks getting dirty at work is a bad thing
>uses a # on 4chan

>> No.436096

>>436086
u fool no one

>> No.436107

>>436090
>>436092
>>436096
>#3_hitbuttdevestation

lel

>>436092
Experienced workers don't get dirty.

>> No.436108

>>436107
get a real job

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436134

>>436108
lol Yeah, we all know what type of job you're talking about Pedro.

>> No.436143

Elbow wrapping is the worst method in my opinion. I wrap in big loops, the cords lay flat on the floor, unravel very easy, and last a long time.

>> No.436145

>>436107
>cord is on the ground or floor
>cord gets dirty
>elbow wrapping get dirt all over your clothes
>experienced workers don't get dirty

By your own logic experience workers don't elbow wrap.

lel at the impending buttdevastation xD

this is almost too easy...

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436354

>>436086
>implying

>> No.436507

coil like line, wrap around the middle once, loop through and plug the ends into each other

>> No.436511

>>436354
>4th asspained post to reply

011011000110010101101100

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436515

>>436511
pic related

>> No.436518

>>436507
welp, I read through the rest of the thread now, and I'm actually pretty surprised about all the replies

I guess the technique I use is closest to what this guy does >>434870, which I do because I picked it up from coiling line on a boat (and was told this was proper way so the coils could unravel easily and there would be no tangles) - you stretch out your arms to the desired loop length and twist your hand against the cord to so it loops without any tension

I'm really surprised by everybody elbow-wrapping, mostly because it seems like it's a very slow way of doing what I do

I gave a look to the over-under method, which looks pretty useful as well - I've never had to deal with really high-quality/expensive cables and it looks like a good way to avoid any additional wear, since what I do can lead to the excess line/cord twisting about on the ground a fair bit to account for the backwards twisting to get all the tension out. With rope, this isn't so much a big deal, but I could see how smacking a sensitive wire around on the ground a bunch could lead to issues

so as much as this thread is trollbait, it has been useful for me - thanks

>> No.436521

>>436518
the vast majority know this already.
we just like to torture this guy>>436511

(hes been elbow wrapping his whole life and just found out it was wrong)

>> No.436522

>>436521
I think it is more the fact that some people don't know how to do elbow wrapping correctly then spazzing out like a tard.

>> No.436523

>>436522
>I think

There's your problem

>> No.436526

>>436523
>making it a practice to not think

No wonder Americans are slaves to media.

>> No.436532

>>436526
you do? dang you should read a book. It forces you to think.

>> No.436540

>>436522
>do elbow wrapping correctly
>spazzing out like a tard
same thing

>> No.436556

>>436532
>I know you are but what am I?

Really?

>> No.436561

>>436556
>deferring

Really?

>> No.436737

>>436522
>do elbow wrapping correctly

no such thing

>> No.436753

Rolling extension leads around your elbow/tightly around an object will slowly ruin them..

Best way to roll then is just coil them up untwisting it as you go, fairly loose and use a cable/zip tie/small piece of rope to keep it neat. Then I hang them on a hook in my garage.

Electrician here so I like to think I know what I'm talking about. My company does temporary power for carnivals, conventions and concerts so we have stock of thousands of leads which we store in boxes, coiled up as I described.

Also never use tape to tie them as the glue sticks and collects dirt and shit makes the leads filthy and messy to handle.

>> No.436756

>>436753
>My company does temporary power for carnivals
carnies...tell us about the carnies

>> No.436842

>>429441
>how does everybody stow their extension cords?
I drop it where I used it last and not worry about it until I need it again.

>> No.436975

>>436753
>Rolling extension leads around your elbow/tightly around an object will slowly ruin them..
>electrician

/thread

>> No.436984

>>436753
lolol no

Kinking them or twisting them ruins them. Wrapping tightly does not ruin them in the slightest.

>> No.437001
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>Anno 2013 In the Year of Our Lord
>manually folding/wrapping cables

Why?

>> No.437012

>>429607
do this for my 100ft+ cords, store in drawer in old dresser, everything else is just coiled and held with a hook on the wall

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>>436984
your ride is here

>> No.437020

>>437001
Because I frequent /diy/, dingus.

>> No.437118

>>437001
cause I"m gonna carry that around with me to every gig I do?

>> No.437129

>>437001
Pffftt!

I have an elbow that does the job perfectly. This is /diy/ not /buy/.

>> No.437820

>>437129
>elbow

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Not this thread still.........

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I use a sheep shank knot. Pretty easy to make, and always comes undone with just a tug into a perfectly untangled coil.

Just wrap it around your forearm, than tuck each end of the coil into a loop of itself, and hang one of the ends up. The weight of the cord will hold everything together until it's ready to be used.