/diy/ - Do It Yourself

sounds cool, i would like to get away from it all but i need my porn

>>300783
any idea where you would like to build it?

>>300786
Not sure. Maybe upstate New York? Gotta find dat cheap land though.

Toasting in Moot Bread

If you have the money you can get commercial wireless equipment that's good for 10s of miles at 300mbit, so at least internet access is doable.

>>300788
You still here moot? Any chance that /diy/ can get PDFs like /po/?

>>300783
Great, idea I want to build my own cabin now too.

>>300788
>not living in glorious inland northwest
whoops, this isn't /pol/

>>300792
>If you have the money you can get commercial wireless equipment that's good for 10s of miles at 300mbit, so at least internet access is doable.
I imagine satellite would be much cheaper.

>>300795
>Great, idea I want to build my own cabin now too.
Fuck yeah, fellow cabin bro.

>>300794
>You still here moot? Any chance that /diy/ can get PDFs like /po/?
Do you guys need it?

>>300788
alot of land is going to get pricey no matter how far away from the cities you get best to go with something small such as this
http://www.unitedcountry.com/RecreationalProperty/NewYork/Edwards%20New%20York-31100-15818.htm

>>300783
I have built a home, actually. Built one, worked on several. I wonder if mootykins has any /diy/ skills?

Depending on your choice of construction and amenities, the requirements for skills and the build dimensions/design would vary.

Need more information, I think.

>>300794
Also, I've never built a house, but I helped my folks build a sauna in their woods from scratch. Poured the foundation, built it from the ground up. And most of the supplies were cast-offs, scrap, and trash from other's people's projects.

>>300799
>I wonder if mootykins has any /diy/ skills?
I'm pretty handy and always fix things myself because I like to know how things work. I haven't taken on a large large project though.

>>300797
>Do you guys need it?
I wouldn't say we NEED it, but it would def. be helpful. Mostly we just link to other hosting sites when we need them. I feel that if you made it possible, we would use it more.

Best places to buy land are Texas, Montana, Arizona, the Dakotas and Mississippi.... Values are at an all time low.... I've seen 1000 acre lots go for $10,000-$20,000 in Arizona. Can't beat that.

>>300803
how rural are we talking about here?

>>300803
1000 acre for 10k wow. if that is true then its desert wasteland where nothing grows and its hot as fuck

>>300806
This.

>>300806
All of AZ is hot as fuck ('cept for the mountains).

>>300806
>1000 acre for 10k wow. if that is true then its desert wasteland where nothing grows and its hot as fuck
Yeah, that sounds like Hell on Earth.

>moot after five years of living in the woods.

Have a look here: >>298815
You might want to look into something like wood gas and (if you want electricity and proper heat) micro CHP. And invest in a copy of Walden.

Do treehouses count as houses? Because I have the most bitchin one ever planned out in my head... all I need is the right tree...

>>300811
Walden was a tool and a fake. He lived a hour's walk from his mother's house, maybe 2 from town, He wasn't really an outdoorsman, roughing it in the wild. It was all posing.

>>300808
I prefer the cold myself i would love a cabin in a secluded snowy mountain range

>>300788
Then I'm afraid you're on the wrong side of the country, mootles; finding cheap land in the northeast, much less in New York, is hard as hell. Someplace in the god-forsaken wastelands of Nevada, Arizona and Utah is going to be cheap, but if you're not a fan of living in satan's backyard and actually like to see green things from time to time, the inland northwest (Oregon, eastern WA, some places in northern california, etc.) is a good bet.

Mountain land in most places can also be cheap, but you have to be a tough son of a bitch to do that, much less alone.

This right here.

>>300816
mfw I came...

>>300816

http://www.bargerandsons.com/precast/storm-shelter/community-storm-shelter/community-storm-shelter.h
tml

get a precast concrete shelter , its storm proof , concrete is an insulator , will last 100 years , zombie proof , dosent need concrete pad, comes ready-made, fire proof, non toxic with paints and linoleum and shit , dont worry about how it looks.

>>300813
>I prefer the cold myself i would love a cabin in a secluded snowy mountain range
We can dream, Anon.

>>300816
Hot damn.

>>300816
>roof in the lower right

Yeah, nah.

and that right there

Oregon is pretty good for doing that recluse thing

>>300801
That's what got me started with /diy/ stuffs. Don't like using things I don't understand, so on some level, I have to know how *everything* works.

I wouldn't call a cabin in the woods a large project, but research is definitely advisable before investment of time/money.

Perhaps a list of requirements for the structure, and a budget is in order?

I'm sure once the entire site flocks to this thread, you'll have all the research and design put into the idea that you'll ever need...

but probably more like this.

>>300823
>Perhaps a list of requirements for the structure, and a budget is in order?
I don't really have a list of requirements or budget, since this is just a pipe dream/fantasy I have.

>>300824
>Oregon
I *do* like Portland.

>>300823
or a lot of random offtopic BS about moot

http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Build-a-12x20-Cabin-on-a-Budget/

>>300817
Maine is the answer. Still New England, and still sparsely populated and cheap to live in.

The land I was describing is in NORTHERN ARIZONA. It's not hot, there are 2 or 3 different ski resorts in the area. Snow Bowl and Sunrise are their names. Land has trees, petrified forests, and some of it is on Indian reservations... Just depends on where you decide to buy.

Northern Arizona is quite green.

>>300825

Fucking watch tower house.

>>300826
>I *do* like Portland.
The PNW wilderness is a great place. Except for the gypsies, but you can usually get rid of them with gunfire.

>>300831
Needs more moat.

>>300826
I'm sure in your fantasy you know things like whether or not the structure has electricity in it, or how many people it can accommodate...

If it's above ground, or earth-sheltered, made of logs, or dimensional lumber...

We know what is possible, or rather, how much what is possible might cost.

Going to be far away from power lines? What do you want to do about that?

Most radio sites use solar or thermoelectric generators, but solar sucks in winter. Just too dark and cloudy.

I actually think the cheapest approach would be to use a small generator (gas or diesel) to charge the battery bank when it starts to get low. Less upfront cost than going nuts on solar, and you can make it through winter.

>>300835
Moot needs an underground hidden bunker deep in the woods (with electricity, water and internet) for growing his hydroponic 'tomatoes'.

>>300836
heavy coats and a wood fireplace is all the heat you need in the winter

i've thought about building a small wooden cabin inna woods and from there building a beautiful baroque house. however, i don't know how to sculpt or work with stone so it's more of a fantasy

Or if you really want to DIY.

>>300831
Where are the crossbows hidden? That haus is baus, and I'd appreciate saus?

>>300835
Above ground, doesn't need electricity (generator is fine), dimensional lumber. 2 people is fine.

>>300831
This would be amazing too ;_;

>>300835
Above ground, doesn't need electricity (generator is fine), dimensional lumber. 2 people is fine.

>>300831
This would be amazing too ;_;

>>300843
>haus baus saus
lolheisen.pcx

>>300836
If you're surrounded by wood, use wood. You can run a car on a wood gas generator, and so you can use it to run a small electric generator. It scales up very well too.

Consider buying a mining claim. From what I've heard, as long as you're 'mining', ie digging up rocks and breaking them apart, and 'improving the land', ie building a house, you can build on up to 20 acres for like $140 a year.

>>300851
WHAT!!!! I'm gonna need more info on this...

>>300858
>I fucking love this. A little private get away.
That's like a mansion. I'd want something a bit more rustic. Contemporary, but rustic.

>>300844
So far you've picked a very cheap and easy way to go. If you're fine with digging a latrine, packing in or capturing water, and cooking over a stove/campfire, you're looking at a project almost anyone can accomplish.

Recommend a potbellied stove for heat.

I fucking love this. A little private get away.

>>300853
Google the rules on it, they vary by state.
In my state, what you have to do is very very little.
I stumbled across some fellows claim one time, it was off of the road to a ski resort, like 10 minutes away, and all it was was a wooden platform for a sheep herder's tent, a fucking Directv dish, and a thing for crushing rocks. From what I've heard, you have to mail samples to labs to get tested occasionally, but that might not be true.
A buddy and me have resolved to build a viking mead hall in the mountains some day.

>>300858
Fuck, wrong picture.

>>300861
YES. Now that's more like it! Any details?

>>300861
I've seen that before. Isn't that some dude's office in has back yard?

>>300859
>A buddy and me have resolved to build a viking mead hall in the mountains some day
I came

>>300822
precast is a good idea , do you really want to have to spend a year building and putting up with the elements ?

better to go precast and spend you time installing wood/oven , electrical system , and some plumbing .

plus get a shipping container as a workshop or extra storage space but dont live in it as its not insulating.

>>300862
Some links for you, mootykins.
http://www.tinyhousedesign.com/2009/08/04/redefining-the-cubicle/

>>300862
Unfortunately not. Just saved it from one of those "You want you lose" threads.

>>300868
more:
http://www.digsdigs.com/tiny-house-as-quiet-home-office-with-beautiful-view/

>>300862
Spoke too soon.

http://www.tinyhousedesign.com/2009/08/04/redefining-the-cubicle/

Having lived as a recluse innawoods for 11 years and counting, I can offr some advice.

1. Ventilation, right niw I'm sorting out some mouldy clothes, abd I found mould under my pillow last month. But I live in a leaky ramshackle hut.

2. Waterproofing, all the same reasons.

3. Termite proofing, last year I had thousands of termites hatching inside, I'm still finding their bodies.

4. A fridge, because right now I rely on bought ice to keep stuff fresh. I recommend a gas (propane) fridge.

I'm in Australia, but the point stands. And always have a small chainsaw around if there's trees along the road near you.

>>300875

*Offer and *Now

>>300867
I trained as a civil engineer, and I can tell you precast is not worth the effort if access to the site is limited. Transport and installation can be a real pain. It's better if you can transport a few parts at a time and put them up/mix them on site.

..wall of my what..

Vice magazine did a doc on a man who lives in Alaskan wilderness with just his wife. Figured some of you might want to check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq0rZn8HFmQ

>>300881
That has to be fucking San Francisco.

>>300881
>yfw a garbage truck comes and splatters your brains all over the inside of your hipster hovel

>>300879

I've worked as a concrete tester, and I endorse this. Also don't use quickset, and give the concrete 28 days to harden, just to be safe.

>>300884
>That has to be fucking San Francisco.
>New York plates
nope.jpg

>>300881

>>300888
Nice trips!
I'm off to bed. G'night moot!

>>300884
I wouldn't be surprised.
Watch some garbage man empty that thing.

>>300865
It was either that or a hobbit hole, and a small mead hall seems like a far more appropriate place to get drunk and eat same day elk.
Only real concerns are fire and mythical beasts.

>>300879
I concur. I'd personally just dig and pour footers with a portable mixer and then build walls on them.

Anywhere remote enough to be worth building a cabin in the woods on isn't going to be accessible to a semi truck hauling a shipping container, or the equipment to offload one, let alone a massively heavy precast concrete home.

One could easily build a cozy little cabin out of the back of a pickup truck. The most expensive part would probably be the stove...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvSZL4eppTQ
Considering his shower is a curtain attached to the side of the dumpster I was expecting his toilet to be the gutter.

>>300894
Would love to fucking party there.

>>300783
The whole tread tl;dr. I would suggest you to look for some directions of how to build polish highlanders hut. It will be hell of a work but really worth it. You'll recieve house warm at winter and cold at summer. Also fucking piece of art. Searchfor " chata goralska".

Oh Sweden..

Nah, here's what you wanna do.
Build a floating house and go anchor yourself out in international waters.
Make a trip back a couple times a year to restock food and stuff.
Or make a floating orchard! Farm the sea!
Hell, let's all do this! The self sustaining island nation of Yotsuba!

>>300888
moot if our still around, you should check these out
>missilebases.com/properties
unless you really have your heart set on a cabin...

>>300817
>>300817
how muchh land are ya lookin for buddy? me and 4 friends are looking to live on some acres in the woods and brew some beer and generally fuck around. cant find any cheap land at all though.... was thinking about humboldt county in california

>>300905
this anon is right. i remember a hacker con was held in an old missile site a few years ago. its not a one man job to renovate those places though. moot you need to get into the hackerspace scene, call yourself a 'web developer' if anyone asks. urs truely marblecakesalsothegamefag here stalking u bro :3

>>300788

Moot, according to most thinkers in the survivalist movement, moving to Idaho, Wyoming or Montana are the best choices because:

1. They are the farthest from the major population centers.

2. The rugged terrain enables superior defense against raiders and warlords.

3. The mountain West has a culture and economy conducive to self sufficient society in a post-collapse world.

>>300783
Getting tired of the Big City, Moot?

>>300908
heres the sause
http://www.pcworld.com/article/261327/adventures_in_an_american_hacker_camp.html

i love u moot even though ur a jew. platonic /b/ro love no homo ofc <3.

pic related, mfw moot wants to go in da woods... if you need to get out of new york there are easier places to go.. how r ur feels these days mootkins?

>>300919
Not really, just becoming more a fan of the outdoors.

>>300924
>and become a recluse.

those are some strong words. u were joking, right?

>>300926
Maybe he's just sick and tired of neckbeards stopping him in the street and shouting memes at him.

>>300926

moots gonna go innawoods, he is preparing for HAPPENING.

>>300924
Yeah right. Let's face it, you're afraid WWIII is about to begin and you want to get out of the metropolis trap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfoaLbbAix0

>>300822
can you put that thing underground?

>>300931
i doubt thats a problem.

Moot I'll remind you again to treat ALL your wood with borax and your exterior and structure with epoxy resin. If you want you could treat all your wood with one of the cheaper ones and they'll outlast you. This >>300875 is the reason why.

Use good epoxy resin on your exterior structural stuff, ie your piers if you go with a pier foundation or anything else that has ground contact.

As for cheap land, in Green Country (NE Oklahoma) you can pick up arable land that comes with year-round water and is in an area where solar power is reasonably viable and you can drill a well for ~$1k an acre. There are also plenty of areas that are in the boonies that you can still get electric (but no water) hookups. The only downside is the land is in Oklahoma.

>>300931
Wear a burka. do you need a how2guide on being a niche celebrity? **sigh** i know u can see my eye pee. so sorry to samefag but i know ur typing and timing. who else would put that reply anyway. be honest with us moot, do you need a cabin 4 just urself or somewhere to chill and relax inviting who you choose when you choose.. we are here to help srsly.

moot has gone to bed its almost 4am eastern time. if he posts then my assumption is incorrect. /diy/ at least you tried. >implying a board is single personal. >implying memetrics >shitposting etc.

mfw lulz

>>300945

Wanted to add: if this is going to be a retreat-type house, remember that it's going to sit unoccupied for months at a time and you should design accordingly. Passive ventilation would be a very good idea, and you might want to landscape a smallish vegetation break around your structure so vines don't decide to grow up and into your house (which can easily happen in the space of a season)

>>300952
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memetics

fml can spell or think correctly using the mobile to browse.

http://wikihow.com/Build-Your-Own-Home-(US)

good luck with ur project.

this:
http://www.pitchengine.com/rockymountaininstitute/rocky-mountain-institute-rmi-consultant-becomes-fi
rst-in-colorado-to-achieve-passive-house-passivehaus-certification

PDF: http://www.rmi.org/cms/Download.aspx?id=5789&file=2011-20_AchievingPassivhausStandard.pdf&ti
tle=Achieving+Passivhaus+Standard+in+North+America%3A+Lessons+Learned

resources:
http://www.phaus.org/
http://www.passivehouse.us/passiveHouse/FAQ.html

>>300924
Why not into camping?

>New location when ever you like.

>>300875
What general location are you in mate?
>Wonders it your the guy who lives in the hut in the forest nearby.

Why don't you just look at any other of the 300 threads about this? sage

Shit moot, I feel like you don't belong here.

If you don't mind living in Rural Central california in an are that is almost 100% white people you cand find cheap land in mariposa county. Shits cheap and there's practically nobody living there. I'm not even sure why it needs it's own county.

Also, shouldn't you be lifting moot? I don't think we've heard from you in a while moot. Remember it takes 66 days to devolp a habit.

Don't quit on us /fit/izens. We make fun of you, but only because we secretly want you to succeed.

>>301011
>2012
>Not lifting building materials.

>>300826
oh fuck, its moot

Hey Moot, I don't know if you're still watching this thread, but Yurts are simple to put together and can be relatively inexpensive.

http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/3-yurt-kit-comparisons-122011

That will get you started. The big problem is that as a first-timer, you will make a lot of mistakes, and as a result your yurt, hut or cabin will be at best mediocre.

I've seen it with friends who have built anything from cabins to a gorgeous, 6,000 sq ft home in the mountains. The latter spent like a year hunting down drafts that kept coming through due to flaws in how it was put together.

My advice: whatever you end up getting, pay an experienced contractor (references are king, and if possible visit someone who they did work with before; things to look for are temperature / ask how often they run their AC/heat, drafts, little details, doors not slamming on their own, nothing "rattling" in normal conditions, and anything else you can think of) to do the construction. If you grab a Yurt kit it won't be that expensive and you'll have a nice little home away from home (or just home.)

For any project more complicated than masturbating, and sometimes with masturbating, the rule of thumb is:

The first time, you will do it wrong.
The second time, you will learn how to do it right.
The third time, you will learn minor tweaks to make it really good.

So unless you are okay living in a home with serious problems or doing it 3-5 times before you really get it 100% right, doing it yourself tends to be false economy with really expensive things.

In my opinion.

>>300842
Is that sweden? It sure looks like it.

..Okay it is, I reverse image googled.

Just here to say nice thread because I have also been thinkign about building a small thing after getting a small piece off land in the middle of nowhere for a bargain from a relative

>>300783
>detailed drawings $1,000; signal-shed.com
$1000 for plans for a shed? WTF?

First thing you need is an SKS. Then gather some ewoks and force them to build you a tree city, shoot the ones that resist.

>>300783
Wow, moot on /diy/!

Have a look at this site. It's forum section is an excellent resource:
http://www.small-cabin.com/forum/

Also, for inspiration:
freecabinporn.com (it's SFW, pic related)

I would suggest an A-frame type house because you can build it in the city then ship it flat on the back of a truck to your remote location.

I have to say. I really love /diy/

Moot not only posts but makes a thread under his name and we dont get an absolute cluster fuck of shit posting.

I love you guys. Cheers for the whole 4chan thing moot.

>>301042
Long time /diy/ lurker, first time poster. Completely agree. Not full of fucks posting copypasta or about their girl issues.

And I'm actually learning/picking up on some things I can use in the future. You guys have actually fuelled my interest to start a self-sustaining farm one day in the future.

Kudos /diy/, from a new reader. 10/10 would read again.

hi m00t xoxox

Land is pretty cheap in my state. Right now it is around $2000 per acre I think. However, you can find it for FAR cheaper if you bid on the state tax sales. The original owner has X amount of time to pay you back amount of taxes due, bidding costs, and the fees applied. If they don't you will own their land.

I have over 30acres of land. It had one house on it, which I upgraded, and I built a barn on it. Now I'm living in the barn and turning it into a house. I have the property fenced off and my bills are now extremely low. I have an average $20/month electric bill for instance and $0 debt now. I'm very nearly a recluse because everything is so rural. The closest mall is about 50 miles away. The entire county has around 10,000 people. lol

I have electric heat, gas heat, and wood stove heat. I have gardens, an orchard, a pond, and a river runs through the property. I have my own septic and water well. I have a gasoline generator that will be converted to use natural gas/methane, gasoline, and propane soon. Every year, the electric is out for an average of 5 days, normally in the winter due to snow. This year is was out for longer than 10 days due to a massive set of storms knocking trees down.

I garden, work on DIY projects most of the time and post them on /diy/, I make wine and mead, I forage, hunt, and fish. My next big project is building a 16'x20' greenhouse out of used sliding glass patio doors I got for free from various sources. Then I can grow food year round.

When you get your expenses as low as what I have and you are growing most of your own food, you find that the amount of leisure time you have increases exponentially.

Continued...

>>301046
... Continued.

>>300783
>$57K, including the land

Your knowledge and amount of friends/family that can help you will determine the costs of building. The land costs are whatever you can find. If you buy land that has some timber on it, you can use that to help build your cabin. It does not take much timber to build a small cabin. A tiny cabin like pictured in that article would cost about $1,000 max where I live, even if you bought all the supplies from ACE. However, it can be dirt cheap if you buy rough lumber from a local lumber mill. It'll also be hardwoods from a local mill instead of soft pine from a home improvement place.

>>300797
>satellite

I've had satellite. I've had dial-up until this year. Satellite was absolutely terrible (Hughesnet). I suggest getting cell phone internet at the very least, although it is terrible too (Verizon). DSL is the best for rural areas if you can get it (Frontier).

>>300806
>>300809
Where I live, it is because there's not much infrastructure or there's just lots of hillside like in the OP pic.

Yeah, satellite blows in areas with any sort of weather. It would be fine if you lived somewhere where it barely rained in NY (NYfag here) you'll have it cut out weekly or more depending on the sky. On top of that, there's around a 0.5 second latency on it, making it USELESS for online games and pretty annoying for communication. Many satellite companies use DSL for the up connection and satellite for the down to help with the latency but it's a pain in the ass.

DSL can range from a "meh" 1Mbps to a "not bad" 4Mpbs depending on how far you are from the local phone exchange, how good the line is, and how many other people are on the line. Latency on DSL is very nice, 10-50ms if you don't max out your up connection. I had a router with a "Turbo TCP" feature that gave up packets higher priority than down, that was really nice.

>>301052
>barely rained in NY
*barely rained BUT in NY

>>301052
When I >>301046 and >>301047 had HughesNet satellite the connection to the satellite was pretty solid. The only times when it would have trouble is during heavy rain and snowfall. I had to go out and clean off the dish a few times a day on snowy days. There was a lot of lag and gaming in FPS games was nearly impossible because you'd never hit anyone at all.

The worst part was there was a download limit. It acted like a power bar. so long as that bar was full you could download at top speed. When you stopped downloading the bar would fill back up at a set rate of time. If you used all of the bar they'd throttle your connection speed down to 56kb/ps; dial-up speeds. If took 8 hours for the bar to go from 0 to 100% and the bar was only 176MB.

So, satellite was only good for common browsing, no big downloads, no patches or updates. This was about 4 years ago I think. It cost $400 to install and $59 per month. I had to pay for the pole it was mounted on because my roof was metal and they couldn't mount it to that. The pole was $125 extra. I would have used my own metal pole, but the guy came on a Saturday and the stores were closed by then. Customer service was TERRIBLE. The entire experience was the worst I've ever had with any company ever.

Verizon's MiFi cell phone internet service was "okay". The connection was good enough that I could do some gaming. HOWEVER, it had a "data allowance". I had the largest data allowance. That was 10GB per month. Meaning I could download 10GB in a month and every 1GB over that I had to pay an extra $10. This was last year and early this year.

I have DSL now (Frontier) and the up/down speeds are pretty descent for this area. They don't give a shit how much you download or what you download. It is amazing. It is like the entire world just opens up to you.

>>301046
>$2000 per acre
You have a strange definition of cheap.

moot if really do want land in newyork just get some near the quebec boarder it's cheap as all hell

>>300840
That... actually sounds kind of nice. But I must admit I'd rather be able to use both.

>moot wants to build a cabin
>installs 4chan passes

Very clever.

>>301097
>Very clever.
Perhaps you missed:
>since this is just a pipe dream/fantasy I have

>>301098
if we had pdf i could upload this book, you can search it in torrents "The small house book(2009)BBS.pdf" lots of designs and plans

>>301098
also, just for you, im going to link all i can find (that is worthy and actually useful) and put it in the sticky site


https://sites.google.com/site/diyelmo/

they have cheap ass cabin kits online. if it's only you, you can get a small one really cheap $10k-ish. i'd say the land is the biggest concern.

>>301073
It was $5000 an acre here a few years ago. You can find far cheaper here than $2,000 per acre, but $2,000 per acre is the highest you'll find that isn't in a city.

Straw bale construction is cheap, and an easily found building material in rural areas. It has a high insulating value. Just plaster over it when in place.

>>301111
Moot will set it on fire while playing his little gay wax-torture games.
Starting out with a small bit of land and a simple campingsite is a good idea though, even if you don't know what to do with it at the start the ideas will come over time.

>>301046
Can I ask what your profession is?

>>301046
I'm so jelly

>>301123
I'm actually striving to be "retired." I'm in my early 30s though. I'm shooting for farming and wine making for money making. I also do freelance PC repair and security system installations; I once owned my own business doing that, but I got out of it because it wasn't fun.

I want to only do things that I find interesting and fun. For me, "work" is not an option unless I like doing it. Not having any debt at all means a great burden is lifted and I have far more freedom to do what I want to do.

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=MzbMwS6lVpE

cabins are spooky.

>>301046
>>301047
You are my hero sir.

>>300818
boat launch probably

>good guy moot
>creates a thread to get some anons advice
>dosent even sticky it

A lot of people are talking about the flat cost of purchasing the land while they're not considering some of the other caveats.

I purchased a large acreage in British Columbia (>150 acres) and found that the biggest challenge was zoning, environmental reserves, geography based agrarian and riparian reserve legislature, and the availability of access (roads).

You can find sub $500 per acre land in vast expanses all over Canada and the United States. But, unless you're aware of the areas protective legislation (if applicable) you may never be able to build your cabin, or subdivide, or install a septic field. A lot of these statues aren't even found on the title at times.

Secondly, when you're out in the middle of nowhere, it can be a royal pain in the ass simply amassing building materials. This doesn't include construction equipment and professional tradesmen (which may be required, depending on your construction). Sometimes it is impossible to do things completely DIY, and if you're out in the bush, that might be complicated.

... Just a caution, from a practical perspective.

>>301147
moot it'd be pretty cool if you lived in Portland, around that area. People are too hipster here to bother you.

>>301147
alaska has cheap land, plus you get $2000 a year per person and no sales tax in most northern states

Why you no put dashes around your words anymore? Looked pretty cool.

Moot, ther was a thread a couple days ago about using containers for housing. Someone posted a link to a youtube video, when a guy used an insulated container and made a t shape to make an office. Look it up, man

>>301104
But since we don't, you should have just linked him the mediafire.

http://www.mediafire.com/view/?1mz56q28qhsgfjl

Also completely unrelated [nospoilersondiy] can /d/ get like, an autosage on threads 2 weeks or older? There are threads from early august that just never reach image limit but keep getting bumped with contentless posts.

Are the passes making you some money then? Also, why can't I just paypal you some money.

>>301152
>Secondly, when you're out in the middle of nowhere, it can be a royal pain in the ass simply amassing building materials.

Water, soil, stone, and timber. That's all you need to start building. You can have a stone foundation with cob or lumber on top of it. It is literally dirt cheap. What you may lack is merely knowledge. Your biggest expense would be tools.

I fully agree on the need to research an area's laws and regulations prior to purchasing land there.

>>301163
/diy/ is a knowledge base type of board. Having old threads helps others find info you sometimes can't find anywhere else online. /d/ is just for porn, which you can normally find in many other places online. I also don't see a problem with ancient threads popping up, it lessens the amount of new threads on the same subject. I really don't like the endless cycle of the same thread-types coming through all the time. The big old threads kind of act like their own board in a way. It allows for more threads with varied types of content instead of 5-10 small threads all with the same type of content (like /d/'s 50 futa threads for instance.)

>>301165

4chan and paypal don't mix well after the idiots in white mask's loic'd them

>moot posting in /diy/
>moot posting
>moot
>mfw

>>301170
After a month and a half, though, most everyone who would be interested in that specific thread most likely would have looked through it. I'm not saying a thread should be deleted the moment it hits 2 weeks old, just that on a porn board like /d/, it's better to have newer threads than older ones. Setting a weeks old thread on auto-sage would effectively stop the necrobumping.

>>300783
moot you could never be a recluse

>>301179
I don't think so. It should only be used for porn boards and board intended for high turn over rates. Informational boards like /diy/ are not like that.

Let's not derail the thread. Email moot your ideas or post them on /q/.

>>>/q/

I know you are happy in America, but Canadaland has about 3 million lakes and tens of thousands of small unoccupied islands.

"But private islands are expensive"

Much of this is Crown land where it is technically owned by the government and they lease it to whoever wants it. They will sell crown land, but not if the island is in a provincial park (the good islands with easier access are in provincial parks).

People build cabins on private islands in the larger lakes and they pay almost nothing for the land. I'm talking $250 year as a flat fee. No other property taxes, but keep in mind this is just a small little island on a lake far from civilization.

Your costs come from getting the materials to the island to build your cabin. You do this in the winter when the lake is frozen and a temporary ice road is in place.

Islands in or near provincial parks may have cel phone coverage and possible 4G internet. Note that land in a provincial park may cost a bit more to lease. Remote areas have absolutely nothing though.

Here is a sample of island living in northern Saskatchewan, complete with solar powered internet and Netflix.

http://www.wsetech.com/remotecabin.php

This is overkill (solar is prohibitively expensive), but it gives you an idea what life is like in a province with 100,000 lakes and only 1 million people.

>>301192
...you know I was talking about /d/, right? Not /diy/? Thus the "completely unrelated".

>>301214
Yes, I knew that. /diy/ does not need that shit. Keep it in /d/ where it works. Go to /q/ to discuss it. Now fuck off.

>>301216
You're really not getting it. It's not on /d/. I was asking for it for /d/. I recognize it would be an awful idea for /diy/. Chill.

>>301221
Then why mention it on /diy/ in the first place? That is what /q/ is for.

I've built three houses and done a bunch of remodeling work (worked as a carpenter for a few years). I'm not an expert, but hereafter comes a piece of advice given to me by an expert....
A pretty frame makes a pretty house. MEANING, your early fuck ups will create a cascading chain of fuck ups. Be very careful to make everything level, plumb, and square when framing. Also, doors can be a huge pain in the ass to the inexperienced builder. I never made it past the struggle stage, but I still know a lot and can make stuff. Totally worth the effort guys.

>>300783
FUCK YOU MOOT, THIS WAS MY FAVORITE BOARD BEFORE YOU CAME HERE FAG

Recycled wood is a popular theme these days. Not only is it dirt cheap (it is often free), but it is sturdier than plywood, and is guaranteed to have few-to-no chemicals left in it. However, it will rot easily if exposed to lots of moisture.

If you're looking at upstate NY, I would consider upper Michigan as well. It is just as beautiful, land is a lot cheaper, and the taxes are almost non-existent. The downside is that the internet connection will be craptastic rural wifi. For maximum signal strength, I would advise putting up an 80 ft Rohn tower with your parabolic dish on that.

I'm also surprised no one has mentioned Dick Proenneke? : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYJKd0rkKss

toasting in faggot bread.
don't fuck up muh /diy/ moot go back to /b/
wtf is next? see you in /n/,/k/ and /pol/ ? oh lawdy

I own 150 Acres of South-West Australian forest. two creeks and 3 springs in a Y shaped valley. Building a cabin on it soon. So far I just have a shipping container down there and use a canvas tent for shelter.

Good luck to you boss.

Ask me anything.

>>301321
Do you ever have any problems with dingoes?

>>301245
This.

/diy/ was the best board, really I mean the best posters come here.

Now everyone is going to flock here

>>301327
None in the slightest. Dingos are far less common, or even dangerous than people assume.
That said, feral pigs can be very agressive if startled and a firearm or suitably sized knife is handy.
>le knife
(to keep it DIY I made that sheath, though the knife is Nepalese)

>>301332
Huh, I didn't know you had feral pigs in 'straya but I guess that would make sense. I hate the damn things because they destroy fragile habitats and grazing land, ruin crops of pretty much everything and they breed like goddamn rabbits.

Also,
>Firearms
>Austrailia

>>301342
Owning firearms as a rural landowner is very simple.
My place. Access is by easement and heavy 4x4 (landcruiser only) forest country. Or, can take a milder track along the neighbours place.

yo moot.

architect anon here, lets start simple:
1. budget
2. resources (skills, friends skills, land, materials) to offset that budget probably being tiny
3. what do you want the structure for? (part/full time in X season for X weeks/months, etc) I presume this is a weekend/holiday home?
4. How much time can you devote to construction or managing someone else?
5.Where the land this is very very important to the design

>>300875
Niceone.

Where?

Sounds like your place is falling down though...

>>301380
>pipe sticking up near window

That truck looks like it is built for going places. lol

>>301381
It can and does. Snorkels are handy in swamps or rivers.
Unstoppable.

You will need a permit. You will have to pay property taxes. Basically to cover everything.

i'd like to build a small house someday

but i have no monies

If you want something affordable and doable minus other necessities, I'd suggest building a small earthbag cabin smothered with cob and dirt. Not only would you have a livable cabin in the woods, but you would also become a hobbit that happens to be the admin of 4chan.

If you want something affordable and doable minus other necessities, I'd suggest building a small earthbag cabin smothered with cob and dirt. Not only would you have a cabin in the woods fit for occupancy, but you would also become a hobbit that happens to be the admin of 4chan.

>>301023
Yurts are excellent. Anyone saying about issues of building a residential building on woodland: often you are allowed to camp out there, and often that also often means it's easier to build temporary structures. You'd have to look into it for where ever in the world you are, but it's not uncommon for temporary structures to be up for around a year, get disassembled, reassembled and then used for another year for a number of years because it's often easier to get planning permission, and these can almost anytalented /diy/erof building, even stuff like log cabins if you get the construction and foundations right. I believe a lot of people also do things like living in houseboats, though again you'd have to find out what the regulation concerning those are in your area.

>>301450
>and these can almost anytalented /diy/erof building, even stuff like log cabins
Should be "and these can be amost any kind of building, even stuff like log cabins"

>>301044
>Long time /diy/ lurker,
>from a new reader
Fuck off, retard.

>>301074
This fella knows what's up. Or buy some land in southern Quebec. You must learn French though. They only speak anglo in Montreal. You could also try New Brunswick or Nova Scotia. Muricans are buying the shit out of land in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick.

You can build a small 16'x20' cabin for relatively cheap - the hardest part will be roofing it. A flat roof that is sloped to one end is the easiest way.

These anons telling you to use concrete are fucked. Concrete is hella expensive and heavy as shit. You can build a stick frame building on wooden cribbing, you don't need concrete footings. Use a wood stove/pot bellied stove for heat.

Spend your money on power generation. Something passive (wind/solar/micro hydro) backed up by something that burns fuel (gas/diesel).

Satellite internet is hella expensive plus its shit and unreliable. I don't have a good solution for it though.

>>301477
Also - use dimensional lumber. Get yourself a trailer to pull behind your ford escort and fill it up with lumber each time you go your property, you will have all the shit you need to build your cabin on site in no time.
>if no ford escort pic related

>>301321
hey i just moved to manjimup, how close are you ?

its all fun and games until you get eaten by a bear

>>301502
bears dont eat you, they only attack if they feel their young are threated or you surprise them.

>>301511
Or you are a menstruating woman.

>>301511
>they only attack if they feel their young are threated or you surprise them.
Black bears, sure. Browns don't give a FUCK; if they're having a bad year then you're on the menu.

>>301502
That's what GUNS are for. Somebody mentioned an SKS, great round and rifle for this kind of cabin.

>>300783
if you want to be a true recluse you have to grow a beard and runaway to live in a cave in the woods while writing your manifesto

>>300783

I think 130sqft is just a little small. I realize that the point is to be small and efficient, but you have to be practical too. Could you seriously down-size your life, hobbies, and comfortability to into ~130 sqft? Something like 300-450 sqft seems like it would be perfect. Add a few solar panels and geothermal air, and I'd be in fucking paradise.

>>301511
Tell that to all those people that have been eaten by brown bears and polar bears. Tell that to Timothy Treadwell and his girlfriend,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Treadwell#Death

Somewhere out there is an audio recording of their deaths that was recorded on their camera. I talked to the guy that had that camera. He told me about it, nothing more.

Not fucking cool, dude.

>>301573
>He also frustrated authorities by refusing to carry bear spray to use as a deterrent
idiot

Innawoods it in oregon.

>>301573

Have you read that article yourself? Yeah... No. Timothy was stupid fuck. He was begging for trouble.

http://www.formandforest.com/cabins/default.aspx?browseby=&browse=&itemid=25&image=1.jpg

I think I just found my future home...

>>301153
>>301153
I live in portland
I'd invite moot over for a beer. Then he'd show me his hobbit-hole-house, and it would be glorious. We would be /diy/ bros.

>>301547

>Somebody mentioned an SKS, great round and rifle for this kind of cabin.

SKS is not exactly a hunting weapon. The cartridge is the same as for AKM, not powerful enough against bears. What you need is a proper hunting rifle chambered for a more powerful cartridge.

OK, I can't believe nobody's asked him this yet, but for serious, moot, what would happen to 4chan if became a recluse? Would you continue to run it from your shack? Or would we (god forbid) get a new moot?

>>301606
*if you

>>301330
>Now everyone is going to flock here

Because everyone has tracking devices on where moot is posting 24/7, right moot?

>>301330
moron

you do know the board moot posts the most on other than /q/ for awhile now is /fit/

>>301501
I drive in/out of Boyup Brook a fair bit. I'm 20 mins North of Bridgetown. - I was looking in Manji but I scored a bargain here!
Have some sort of contact? I'll invite you over for a beer.

>>301611
Photo didn't upload

I meant to say this is the cabin size I am looking into building if moot were to be so keen. The external walls would be rammed earth tyres though so the actual dimensions would be slightly larger.
Why tyres? Cheap, super durable, only cost is labour and hella efficient.

>>301600
This looks pretty sweet.

>>301612
That looks like a pretty good size.

>>301612
What kind of cabin has that much plumbing in it?

>>301606
>OK, I can't believe nobody's asked him this yet, but for serious, moot, what would happen to 4chan if became a recluse? Would you continue to run it from your shack? Or would we (god forbid) get a new moot?
I can run 4chan from anywhere with a laptop and an internet connection. Recluse-moot would still hang out on 4chan all the time ( ._.)

>>301615
A very cool one. Although I'm not convinced by the double door bathroom or the toilet position.

>>301617
You would need all kinds of extra shit
>well with water pump
>septic field
>decent foundation that doesn't let the building move too much
>full time electricity

Seems like a lot for a cabin in the woods.

>>301612
Basic explaino of the place:
>It could be easily expanded on the left hand side for more rooms should they be needed.
>It has a verandah out the front suitable for all outdoor dining, cooking or enjoyment out of the weather, and is to be raised about 1ft from ground level to minimize dirt/bug activity on the verandah.
>Inside you enter the kitchen/living/library/study area that could entertain a few friends or simply provide ample work surfaces.
>I'm a large reader so there is a lot of book shelving.
>From there you have a pot-belly stove in the center of the house. This is to keep you warm in the cold South-West winter of my state.
>Behind the stove is vents in the wall to heat a drying-cabinet for wet clothes in winter (no need for expensive electric driers) but neater and faster than having everything drying around the house.
>Bathroom/Laundry contains shower, drying cabinet, toilet, sink amenities, a washing machine and a air-lock entrance.
>Why airlock entrance? It works like a cloak room. You can enter through the back of the house if cold/dirty and be straight into the bathroom. This would be the preferred entrance in extreme temps as to keep the houses temp nice and stable and to keep any insects that might be keen on you outside.
>The bedroom is a fair sized affair and very comfortable.
>The the Verandah faces North (southern hemisphere) and is partly clear-roofing material to allow maximum sunlight entry and to give the large windows plenty of sunlight as they need it in winter.
>Skylights are part of the roof as to provide full daylight inside so only electricity use for light will be needed during hours of dark.
>House runs on a solar/wind combo with a small genset for backup.
>Estimated build costs are just shy of 20k

>>301617
>>301618
Think of it as a small home in the woods, less of a cabin in the frontier sense. The toilet is composting using a triple venting system to fully remove smell and eliminate the need for time-consuming annual clean-outs.
There's no septic field (or need for one) and as stated in the posts above my place has large volumes of water and fairly high rain (~900mm ann.) so water tanks above the house will provide all the water, and pressure needed at no extra cost. Because the toilet is composting it needs no flush-water and this saves huge amounts of water a day.
Excluding showering I use ~10L water daily for my needs, but once my two 42,000L tanks are installed water won't be much of an issue.
Water is also highly critical in fire-prevention/fighting.

The bathroom could be arranged in several ways, all the bits are in there just to provide a sense of scale.

>>301621
>Think of it as a small home in the woods, less of a cabin in the frontier sense

That makes much more sense to me. Does this exist or is it conceptual at this point?

Also, what does your site access look like? Can you get equipment into the site?

>>301625
After this post I'm gone for 13 hours of work time.
The ute pictured before is the only access. Other than that I have a 25hp tractor with loader front end to assist in the hard lifting and clearing of trails/firebreaks.
Working on getting HR truck entry soon to widen the trail a bit and make it easier to get in with even a 2WD.
Half built/half plans.
It's taking a while to get built as most materials I am picking up for free or getting at rock bottom prices.
Have a good one mate.

moot: don't take this the wrong way, but please don't kill yourself. I dont know why, exactly, but reading all of your posts recently (and by "recently" I mean "not 2008") gives me the impression that you might be in a poor state of mental health.

Sorry for the off-topic post, it's just that I've read several stories about guys that seclude themselves away from people and eventually end up offing themselves. I don't want that to happen to you because you're a great guy.

>building your hermit home where you can be the little girl

glad to see he's back on track

>>301600
that's huge. consider you have to move all the shit you need to build where you want it, especially glass of that size.

>>301618
if you'd take this and set in on some 5m socket of concrete, it could help you survive the zombie apocalypse

>>301627
>guys that seclude themselves away from people

welcome to 4chan,
visit /a/ sometimes.

>>301629
I just wonder if that just happens to be clear of trees or if they had to cut a whole load down just to get that in there.

>>301327
He's in WA, bro. I'd be more worried about Great Whites in the creek.

Hey moot.

I actually have a friend trying to sell a property in upstate New York.

No clue what they are asking, I don't even think its on the market still. Was for sale for a few years and they gave up.

It does have a tiny ass house on the property that has a lake a huge hill and its a decent size.

If anything check the area out that the house is at. There are larger plots I believe.

Left my email in the field if you are interested.

>>301634
Yeah, but there's "I try to avoid talking to people when I have to go outside" seclusion and then there's "the nearest person is an hour away by car and I haven't talked to anyone in nine months" seclusion. The latter is often associated with poor mental health and poor mental health of all varieties is associated with suicide..

And /a/ is smalltime; try /jp/'s NEET Life threads.

You'll need something to cook your food, so have a look at this. It's an illsutrated guide to building ovens with natural ressources like wood, sand, stones. Well, they also cheated a bit and used concrete, iirc.
However, it's a very interesting book.

http://www.civilization.ca/cmc/exhibitions/tresors/barbeau/mbp0501e.shtml

(currently not loading, bookmark and check back later.)

My thoughts are

>first get the land
>make plans
>get the plans approved by a licensed architect
>buy your materials
>start to build, you will probably fuck up a lot cause i know i would even though i took 3 years of shop class...foundations are probably a bitch.
>will need to get the bitch like looked at and inspected


After than I'm pretty sure you can live in it. The plumbing and electrical if any would probably need to be done by a brofessional and shit because that stuff can get fucked up if you don't do it correctly.

It just seems easier to consult an architect and he can contract some faggots to do the shit for you, you will be paying more but at least you know it's done the right way.

If you end up doing shit on your own, Holmes On Homes has some books and a TV show that kick ass for shit like this.

Hey moot!!!

Something to watch, maybe get some ideas for shit. Maybe motivate your ass.

Alone in the Wilderness by Dick Proenneke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYJKd0rkKss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3NRdZ8J24Q&feature=relmfu

Food for thought.

>>301702

Also I just had a fucking brilliant idea.

Become Bubbles and just live in a shed!

I was wondering what peoples thoughts were on digging a large pond or a small lake into a property? Like, if the property didn't have a natural water source, would it be viable to dig one and then introduce fish? Maybe even use it for swimming in the hotter months?

>>301732
Yes, it is completely viable. People do this all the time. I have a pond. One big tip. If you are going to use it for swimming. Dump a big load of sand into it where you enter/exit the water and any place you will touch bottom with a good deal of weight. It will be a hell of a lot better than sinking into mud up to your knee. Just make sure the sand doesn't come from a salt water source.

>>301596
>>301599
Well, he did go out all the time to actually film the grizzlies. Bear spray would be a bit retarded. There had not been another bear attack before that one for like 80 years in that area.

Of course, if it were me, I'd be packing some good firearms. I don't think life is rainbows, that's for sure.

>>300783
>>300858
>>300861
>>300867
>>300881
>>301111
>>301221
>>301600
>>301621
I can't stand this sort of style. It is terrible.

>>301618
>list of completely standard stuff for nearly every rural place since 1930
>Seems like a lot for a cabin in the woods.

What? lol This is 2012, in case you didn't know. Many cabins in the woods have everything now because the options are pretty cheap. The only one that is sometimes infeasible is a septic field, but then all you need is a composting toilet. Proper foundation is a must for EVERY structure no matter what it is.

>>301627
I've read even more stories where guys are fully integrated into society and off themselves. Usually over a failed relationship. In my area, the most they do to isolate themselves is a short 5-minute drive to the local reservoir where they blow their brains out in their vehicles. It's really odd that they do it there, but none of them were recluses.

>>301633
5m socket of concrete? Jaysus that would expensive and heavy as shit. You would need a pretty serious foundation for that.

>>301702
This would cost a fucktonne of money for a cabin in the woods. There is also no guarantee that it is done correctly.

>>301748
>Proper foundation is a must for EVERY structure no matter what it is.
True but a "proper" foundation does not always include a shit load of concrete. There is no reason you can't build a small cabin on wood cribbing and accept some seasonal movement.

I think that you and I have different definitions of cabins. For a rural property that you are living in, sure you want and need all these things. For a cabin in the woods with limited access those things may be a lot of extra work. How can moot afford the equipment to get in there and pour footings and drill a well while 4chan is hemorrhaging money?

>>301758
>True but a "proper" foundation does not always include a shit load of concrete. There is no reason you can't build a small cabin on wood cribbing and accept some seasonal movement.

I didn't say that. Proper foundation can be just a few blocks set on gravel. So long as you can easily shim it if and when needed. It would be better to have 16" cement footings instead of gravel under those few blocks. So long as the roof hangs over the ground far enough to prevent frost problems, there shouldn't be any concern.

If you are "camping" and visiting a cabin in BFE for the weekend, you are correct. You don't need much. But, I thought this thread was for cabins you actually live in?

I'm >>301046 and >>301047 fyi. I know exactly how much this stuff cost when I did it and the various types and styles it can be done in.

>How can moot afford the equipment to get in there

Any car or truck will work.

and pour footings

All you need is a wheelbarrow and water to make cement.

>and drill a well

Hand dug wells are actually very easy to do, extremely cheap and can be done in a single day depending on various in-ground factors. There are several methods to do it. One of the easiest methods is the Baptist Method ($100-$200 per well), for which you can use a Bison hand pump or a small windmill,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJSkDXu4LE8

>while 4chan is hemorrhaging money?

This is a ...moot point.

>>301763
Concrete footings are only worth it if you properly prepare the soils below or you have decent soils on site. If you have shallow enough ground water for a hand dug well you could potentially run into settlement problems if you really start loading up the soils with concrete footings etc - again, depends on your soils. If you are designing your foundation system to allow it to be shimmed, you might as well save the time and money and go with cribbing.
>>301618
>>301625
>>301615
>>301493
>>301477
Is me. I'm a geotechnical engineer IRL and doll out this kind of advice all the time. What I know is that you are going to pour concrete etc, go whole hog and do it right or its a massive waste of time and incredibly hard to fix if something goes wrong. If you are going to go small time, stay small time.

I wouldn't want to be running a hand well trying to fill up tanks etc in order to shower. Rain water collection isn't always an option, especially if you live somewhere with a real winter as your water supply freezes each winter. You will also need some real foundations for things like water tanks. Differential settlement below a water tank is bad bad news and they are quite heavy in comparison to a small stick frame building.

If all these things are options, I agree its foolish not to take advantage of them if you can afford it.

Note - I'm from Canada so some of the things we are discussing may just be feasible/non-feasible because of differences in where we each live.

>>301245

>>301772
>Concrete footings are only worth it if you properly prepare the soils below or you have decent soils on site

Incorrect. One big mistake when pouring a concrete foundation of any kind is disturbing the ground that is under it. Once disturbed, that soil will no longer be compacted. This means it will start to sink.

>If you have shallow enough ground water for a hand dug well you could potentially run into settlement problems if you really start loading up the soils with concrete footings etc

Hand dug Baptist Method wells are 150 feet deep on average. Concrete won't affect your well anyway. I have no clue why you think it would.

> If you are designing your foundation system to allow it to be shimmed, you might as well save the time and money and go with cribbing.

You are completely missing the point. It isn't about what type of foundation. It is the fact that the other poster implied a foundation was some big thing that was beyond people's abilities to do in BFE.

> and doll out this kind of advice all the time.

That is unfortunate because your advice is incorrect.

>What I know is that you are going to pour concrete etc, go whole hog and do it right or its a massive waste of time and incredibly hard to fix if something goes wrong.

All a 2-3 story wood structure needs is single footings of concrete with a block on top, usually 2-3 bags per hole. IF you use concrete. You don't need to. You can use foundation stones instead which are long and buried in the ground upright.

>I wouldn't want to be running a hand well trying to fill up tanks etc in order to shower.

Why would you? Just use an electric pump.

>You will also need some real foundations for things like water tanks

Simply stone of concrete pilings work very well.

Your entire post reeks of ignorance and lack of experience.

I would go with a geodesic design for a cabin. An geodesic cabin uses less wood in the construction and provides more space. Its design also is structurally safer, and is energy efficient. A good west coast company that make s prefab geodesic homes is Timberline. The prefabs are easy to put up, they come with everything and the process reminds me of a good old fashioned barn raising.

http://www.domehome.com

>>301763
>This is a ...moot point.

>>300803
>dakotas
>implying north dakota is worth a shit

god-tier south dakota reporting in. You'll want lant here. 10 miles between towns, 40-50 miles between towns larger than 100 people.

Trees, all landowners pretty much get free deer tags, artesian water, easy to hide. Wonderland here.

Yeah, I've built a house. with my dad and brother exclusively. Parents own 20 acres out in the woods. Dad rented the big machines to do it. Dug holes, stood up steel girders (sp?), then poured the foundation. Let it harden.

Then we attached aluminum siding to the girders, bro and I with dad's instruction (we were mid-teens). Used some blue chalky string to snap and make straight lines so all screws lined up.

Climbed up and laid the roof (also aluminum). Then we hung wires from roof and attached a metal grid. Between grid rectangles we put acoustic tile with insulation on top of it.

Then we put insulation on the walls, sheetrock inside that.

Forgot to mention we'd framed to have half the building (1000 sq ft) be uninsulated storage and the other 1500 sq ft insulated and turned into a living room, kitchen, two bedrooms and one bath.

Did plumbing with dad, electrical work w/dad (he got his electrician's license on his own for the lulz).

Lived in the house (2500 sq ft or so) for a year. Sold the previous house, used that CASH to build another boss one from scratch that is super luxe. A lot of that work was done by us, too, but we had legit roofers, framers, foundationers, but tsill did plumbing, electricity ourselves.

Took my dad like a decade to stop being a lazy dood and actually finish the cabinetry and tiling in the new house

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch9tjtMQnm8
Quonset hut

Don't be a recluse in the USA, it's a horrible country for it. The best places for it are The outback in Australia, Siberia and The forests all over Europe, like Ireland Britain etc. You need minimum 50 acres and a gun to suit. Prepare now before the bombs fall. Good luck.

>>301806
Do you have any pictures of your place?

>>301863
Do you live in a home or a cabin? I've never visited middle America... Just driven through or flown over. Would like to visit Montana/Dakotas/Wyoming/etc some day.

>>301865
Any pics? Where were these homes?

>>301880
Don't go to the Dakotas. You don't want to live that far north during the winter.

Go visit fucking Colorado. The winters there are more bearable than in Minnesota even when living at 9k feet on a mountain.

>>301884
I didn't say I wanted to live there, just visit. Maybe I'll try to get to Colorado this winter.

>>301885
Well, I'm saying Colorado would still be better. I've lived there and in Minnesota. The greater Aspen area is pretty awesome which is where I lived. The further away from Aspen, the cheaper shit is if price is a concern. Great bus system if you don't want to drive.

Also, Colorado is just as amazing in the summer as the winter. In fact, I like the summer better.

>>301878
Europe is full of people and you can barely buy any land anymore. It's shit tier for reclusin'.

>>301884
you weren't in minnesota last year, it snowed maybe a total of five times the entire winter and it was mostly just brown grass the entire time, warmest winter I've ever seen in my life living here....yea not how it usually is

Schuchtel.

>>301894

Northern Europe is pretty desolate on people. I'd recommend buying auctioned of land from the government. Tho if you never experienced a winter I'd skip it.

Winter is coming.

>>301893
I was in Minnesota last year. I based my conclusion on having lived here many years, rather than the most recent. Weather isn't the same every fucking year.

Buy a cruising sailboat. You can anchor off for free all over the world, move when you want a change of scenery and they are designed to be self-contained.

>>301746

> implying they aren't sexy as hell

>>301931
This looks pretty sweet. Details?

>>301932

http://methodhomes.net/cabin-series/

It's part of a pre-fabricated housing line by Method Homes. It's certainly more expensive than a small cabin, but If I were going for an actual house that I could live comfortably in for the rest of my life , I'd pick this.

>>301931
>calls explicit implicit.

>>301934

Same price range as mine. However it came with a few extras.

>this thread
Was a decent thread 12 hours ago...

The main issue people are having here is some are talking about climates where perma-frost is an issue. Some are not.
Some are mistaking footings for foundations.
Some are just babbling.

Peace brothers, we are all of one /diy/.

Also;
>>301746
>implying this has bad looks
>>301621
Classic settler homestead styling for the outback and you're hating on it? What would you build?

>>301890
>Also, Colorado is just as amazing in the summer as the winter. In fact, I like the summer better.
Coloradofag reporting in; Colorado a shit outside of the mountains unless you like farmland and absolutely ridiculous heat during the summer. The mountains are fantastic all year round, don't get me wrong, but everything that's not the mountains or the western slope sucks pretty goddamn hard.

>>301969
Newsflash, every part of the US apart from the east and west coast and rockies is ridiculously hot in the summer. It's called continental climate, and North America is a big continent.

>ctrl+f Why do you want to become a recluse
>Nothing

Why do you want to become a recluse?

>>301880
>Do you have any pictures of your place?

Of course. I'm not uploading them though.

Instead, how about pics of today's DIY project? I was testing to see how well a propane blow torch works to melt pennies (years 1983+) into zinc ingots for cuttlebone casting and sand casting later on. The test was a complete success.

>>301965
>Some are mistaking footings for foundations.

Foundation sits on top of a footing. Some foundations don't have footings and are piles.

>>301973
Yeah, but Colorado has it worse than many other places. I've been all around the continental US during the summer months (family road trips), and most of Colorado has it worse than just about any other place I've been in the summer except for the Mojave and the various badlands as far as heat goes. On the upside it means that summer crops are usually really good, but sweet christing fuck when you have 28/30 days a month of 95F+ days with two or three times the humidity of the desert it gets awful. It's not as obnoxious or oppressive as the humid heat that the south gets, but it's almost as bad.

>>301980
I did it because I prefer the stoic nature of trees, plants and animals and the landscape to the constant rush, waste and haste of suburbia.
Also, feels manly, man.
Feels right.

>>301989
Same here pretty much. Nature is noisy and so is a city, but I prefer nature's noises over a city's noises any day.

>>301989
I can imagine it'd be nice.
Since I hate bugs, and get terrible hayfever, and am afraid of wildlife.

But do you still get the comforts of home?
>Fresh food
>Good heating
>Good internet
>Hot water

>>301984

Nice felony, bro

>>301997
>Fresh food
Grow and/or kill your own.
>Good heating
Wood stoves are the shit.
>Good internet
Maybe not; satellite can be pretty iffy.
>Hot water
How much? Because in the summer you can use a solar bag for gallons and gallons of warm/hot water at a time, but in the winter you're going to need either specialized equipment or electricity for a large quantity of hot water. Not that that's necessarily a problem; between a wind and solar you can hook yourself up fairly easily.

>>301999
That isn't a felony. It is a felony to deface the coins and enter them back into circulation though.

>>301997
Not him, but yes, you get everything like that. It's actually rare you don't. The only one that is sketch is the internet. USA infrastructure for net is shit still.

There's better alternatives to the stuff you listed that you can DIY yourself.

To be honest the real challenge is getting the land for cheap and time.
Materials and labor time can end up being damn cheap.
Materials and cabin like fixtures (stove, tools, cookware, etc.) can actually by being one thrifty mother fcker.

Construction company backyards and farm auctions will have super cheap items that take just a little TLC to have in perfect shape. I work for a construction company and we keep all kinds of weird useful shit. I could make 3 good sized bathrooms with the amount of toilets in the back. Materials are a bit harder to flat out scavenge but construction companies and work sites will always have stuff around to sell to you cheap. If you come into the middle of a housing demolition you can get away with okay wood for free. (might have to pull 1000 nails but whateve's)

>>301880
I don't have any pics off hand. Might find one later.

This was in Texas near the coast. The town is great if you grew up there (nostalgia's sake), but I've been all over this great country and many other nations on three other continents, and I can affirmatively say it's a shitty place to be otherwise.

Houses built yourself are overrated. Seclusion is overrated. Surburb + public transit + megalopolis is the best. IIRC from like 5-6 years ago some 4chaieiunnn chat you live in NYC or something near there. Move to a suburb and cop DAT friendly neighborhood life with low crime NO NIGGERS et cetera.

>>302033
Cities and suburbs are clearly overrated, simply because more people live there than anywhere else.

>>302010
It is a federal crime in the USA to destroy currency. There are people with HUGE PILES of old pennies waiting for the USA to drop pennies from circulation (like Canada just did) so they can melt them down. Old pennies currently have more copper value then face value.

>>302054
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2006-12-20/pdf/06-9777.pdf

>DATES: Effective Date: This interim rule
is effective December 20, 2006 through
April 14, 2007.
>Expiration Date: Unless extended by a
further rulemaking document published
in the Federal Register, this interim rule
expires April 14, 2007.

It is one of those things they only do when the metal in the coins is worth more than the coin itself. Right now, you'd be losing about 38% of the value if you were to try to profit from melting pennies. It is currently legal.

I'll dump interior inspirations.

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>>302142
DO WANT

>>302178
I feel like that would be a nightmare to walk around in at night without the lights on.

>>302179
Easily solved.

>>301884
Somebody say Colorader Territeries?

>>302041
bro, RURAL is real fuckin overrated i grew up there COT damn it is turrible

shit education
everyone dumb as FUCKKKK
gotta drive forever to go anywhere
nothing to do except mounds of DIY and sometimes THAT SHIT GETS TIRING
no interesting jobs and farming means if you fuck up one season you are bankrupt and homeless
etc
etc
etc

suburbs + knowledge economy job is the way to go, and anyone who disagrees is probably too fucking stupid to have a knowledge economy job anyway

>>302198
suburbs are fucking disgusting, live in a city

>>302206
You couldn't pay me enough to live in a city.
Well, you could, but it would have to start at 150k/yr.

>>301732
Usually that is called a pool.

ask this guy OP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5TxIynodew

i've got a friend with a run-down hunting lodge on some family land upstate he uses for that, don't rule out getting an existing building on some isolated land and just doing enough to make it habitable & get power to it. i'd also say look the hardest at new hampshire & maine for land because everything's cheaper up that way.

>>301931
Why all the fucking huge windows, though? I'd rather have more normal sized windows, myself. And wouldn't it make it harder to heat or cool the house, as well?

>>302317

Probably just for aesthetics, however it can help heat the house in the winter by allowing more sunlight to enter, and the overhang should provide shade in the summer.

>>302198
>cherry picking and strawmanning

Living anywhere has disadvantages and bad humans. Places with more humans will have more problems. Deal with it.

Don't use elastomeric compound (eg Siliconizer) to create a cool roof with OSB underneath. The roof will cool off below the dew point every night. Condensation will collect and work its way through tiny holes into the OSB, rot the underlayment, and you'll have to tear the whole thing down because the elastomeric makes it impossible to take anything apart again.

>>302399
Seems like this is very specific advice unless the practice is ubiquitous.

>>301806
Your post reeks of trolling.

>>301931
Is that first floor sitting on cinder blocks?

>>302419

Technically, but they're pretty big. Considering concrete's weight, those aren't going anywhere

>>301758
>True but a "proper" foundation does not always include a shit load of concrete.
Indeed. And for anyone who wanted to build it themselves with no specialist knowledge of house construction, not wanting to hire in professional engineers and experienced builders, don't build a foundation with a load of concrete. You are likely to mess it up badly and have a pile of shitty concrete you have to dispose of after putting in a lot of effort, and depending on other factors you might crack a septic tank or sewage line or something like that in the process. I would imagine this is depressing. If you are going to do it, get proper materials and good knowledge of how concrete works, learn how to mix it properly and what a good mix entails. And don't try to build anything too big.

Bump, this thread is very interesting.

>read thread
>nobody mentions the foxfire books
>mfw I have no face
Find then here:

Foxfire One
> http://www.scribd(.)com/doc/8961411/Foxfire-One

Foxfire Two
> http://www.scribd(.)com/doc/8961376/Foxfire-Two

Foxfire Three:
> http://www.scribd(.)com/doc/8961322/Foxfire-Three

Torrent here:
> http://thepiratebay(.)se/torrent/6501538/The_First_4_Foxfire_books

>>303027

probably one of the most useful pieces of information here.

also one can watch, into the wildersness from the pbs series for some awesome inspiration.

>get on /diy/
>see moot thread
>assload of posts
>not mindless moot-pandering and badgering
>everything is on topic and constructive

I mean... It's a thread about hiding in little bungalows in the woods hidden in the little bungalow that is /diy/. This is a little too nice, isn't it?

>>303027
>This content was removed at the request of Random House, Inc.


Daaaamn they work fast.

>>303039
Thank you my good sir.

>>303121
It's still up here:
>http://www.scribd(.)com/search?query=Foxfire

and I do believe the torrent is still good.

Cant let Moot Thread die.

Also how can you isolate the shipping container? A guy made his workshop in one, says boiling in summer freezing in winder.

Better to insulate outside make it nice inside or do all the insolation inside leave the bear metal to the weathers will?

>>300797
>Do you guys need it?
Yes

>Spacious interior of octagonal cottage.

bump for hermits living in the woods

I have 50 acres of land in northern Vermont for sale (or just come up and live there with me, we'll figure out how to pay $3k/yr taxes.

>>303655

build a mountain bike trail and charge $5/car
or if you don't want to build it, just let the bikers do it