/diy/ - Do It Yourself

There are too many 'how do I get money without work?' threads.

I make flash games. It is considerably more than a 40 hour work week....and 99.99% of people who try to do this fail.

My father also didn't have a 9-5 job.....he was a decorator/handyman.


There are no easy options.

>>255495
Direct me to one?
Link me to the archive?

I'm not a programmer, I doubt that could work for me though it does sound interesting.

>There are no easy options.
Life's not easy. I don't want something easy, I want something I can do.

do you have any money or property or skills to start with
if not, get thee hence to Burger King

Might not be exactly what you want to hear. I started as a carpenter and now am a contractor. I hire younger, inexperienced guys, train them and then have them do a majority of the work for me. It takes time and isn't easy at all, but its very profitable for me. I spend most of my time finding work, bidding and checking the jobs. I do drive alot but maybe only put in 20-25 hours a week and usually make 6 figures or just under a year.

buy shit at thrift stores, flip on ebay. get your numbers right and you can easily bring in $2k a month. my current employer makes about $2k a week on eBay, but he runs his eBay people into the ground. He doesn't do that to me because I have skills and I can walk away any time that I want to.

I've got a thousand hustles, but none of them paid off without a heaping of good work. The 9-5 is dull and boring, but you don't have to worry about money if you live within your means. I've had months where I was close to the poverty line and working 60+ hours a week.

The only way that you can have a sustainable (fuck this buzzword btw) income is to set up a system that is profitable. look into drop shipping and e-commerce websites, ebay, craigslist, etc.

Either learn to live with less money or do something that makes you lots of money. A combination of both is always good.

>sustainable income

That is extremely subjective. For instance, all my bills per month are less than $200 and that includes food. I can do this because I'm completely 100% debt free.

>>255512
no money, but I can safely say I have quite a few 'skills'. nothing especially practical though.

>>255514
You know, that's pretty whatever.
Fuck, it you were paying more than & 10/hour I'd work for you.

>>255515
okok.
Flipping shit on eBay doesn't sound bad, but I rarely see stuff that can go for alot.
How do you decide what to purchase? Whatever looks good?
I'm guessing you're not buying alot of clothes and shit, or are you?

>>255520
Well, I live with my parents atm, but I want to move out ASAP.
I live in So. Cal.
I don't have any debt, but I'm going to guess that once living by myself my expenses would be something like 2-300/month, not including rent.

>>255520
I want to make about 1-2k a month.
Ideal would be 3-5k, but I'd need a decent business for that.

>>255552
Flipping shit on ebay/amazon isn't about breaking the bank on one purchase. I get a lot of cheap stuff and sell it for a little less cheap. I make anywhere between 50 cents and 4 dollars on a regular purchase. Sometimes I get lucky and make 10 to 50 dollars, but that's rare.

I stay away from clothes, but that's a personal preference. Go with something you know about. Good with fixing broken electronics? Well, by god, find electronics at thrift stores that you think you can fix and fix them.

For example, I went to a local thrift store that had about 20 printers sold as is. I looked them over, found the ones that looked good, spent about $100 or 4 or 5 of them, did minor shit like cleaning them, etc., and then sold them all for about $100 to $200 each. The ones I couldn't get to work, I sold for parts and at least recouped my expenses. Some I even keep for future use.

TL;DR Stick with something you know, don't try to make crazy money, expect some disappointments.

>>255563
>TL;DR Stick with something you know, don't try to make crazy money, expect some disappointments.
I can deal with disappointment, and I just want to be comfortable.

When you say 'Stick to something you know' you mean with my purchase, right?
Or overall?

I'm trying to think about what I know alot about, and I'm drawing a black, I know a moderate amount about a bunch of shit, but Idk if I'm really an expert on anything.

>>255570
Yes, I meant your purchase. When I say "stick with what you know" in relation to a purchase, I mean know about how much it sells for, if it's broken, know how to fix it, know if it's a knock-off, know when to pass it up, know a great deal when you see it, etc. It takes a bit of practice, but if you start small so you don't lose much if you make a bad call, that experience will help you out. I'm no where near the guy who is making $2k a week, or even $2k a month, because I do it more as a hobby and not a real job, but I make about $400 just bullshitting.

>>255607
> I make about $400 just bullshitting.
that's 400 more than I make right now.

What else do I need to get started?
Just a paypal account?

>>255635
Yup.

Freelance, that's what I do. If you can string two fucking sentences together, there are hapless fucks out there that will pay you to write copy. I work 14 hours a week and I make $25 an hour from one client alone - I'd work more but I'm full time caregiver for my fiancée, driving her to doctors and shit so I can't do a 9-5 job anyway.

>>255659
>>255659
How to?
I've been told about those kind of gis, but I haven't a clue as to how/where to cop.
I see shit on CL, but it's seems to be mainly spam and suspicious stuff.

>>255659
>>255663
Universities (or at least, my university) offers jobs like this. Go to class with a disabled student and write his notes for him. Not sure how much the pay is for that, or if you actually have to be a student as well.

>>255668
I go to a CC, and it pays 8/hour

>>255663

CL is okay, but you're better off using a freelancing website like oDesk or something like that. You technically have to go through them to get paid, but there's nothing stopping you from exchanging info with a client and just having them PayPal you the cash after you finish projects for them.

Telecommuting is the way to do it, as long as you've got a laptop with wifi you can literally work anywhere, and talking with clients is easy as hell. Between Skype and email, I've known a guy for going on 3 years who pays me around $20k a year, and we've never met because he lives in the UK.

>>255689
>Telecommuting
yeah that's what I want to get into.

Ok, what else do I need?
Do I need a resume? How would I gear it toward this kind of stuff?

> oDesk
Got any other sites? How can I know which are legit, and which aren't?

bump, more people post

>>255514
May I ask how you got started in carpentry? I've always enjoyed working with my hands and carpentry just seems like something I'd enjoy doing but I have no idea how one would go about getting into the business.

Get a job (the best you can). Then save as much as you can until you have a deposit for house. Get an interest only loan. You want to save up enough of a deposit so that:

Weekly interest on loan + expenses (water, city rates) = Rent income

So now you have a property that pays for itself, but you're not getting any passive income. So now you forget about it and go back to working and saving your money.

Once you have enough money for another property, you repeat the process.

But how do I get any passive income if the rent matches the expenses? You don't, at least not initially.

I 5 years time, inflation will have eaten away at the value of the loan. So if you borrow $100k, it won't have the same buying power as $100k in 5 years. So if you were originally paying $100 week in interest (and assuming interest rates are the same) you would be paying $100 a week after 5 year. However that $100 is less in real money (e.g. you will probably be earning more than you did 5 years ago).

Secondly, you have probably raised the rent at multiple times over the 5 years to keep inline with inflation. So instead of renting it out for $200 a week at the start, it's now $250.

Hopefully (although maybe not likely in the USA) the price of the property has gone up. Maybe it's worth an extra $10k. So you borrow that extra $10k from the bank and use it to buy another property.

You repeat the whole process until you have about 10 properties. At the point the small incremental rent increases each year are enough to live on and the property value keeps going.

I'm doing this right now in Australia. I get $420AUD a week from one property and am about to buy a second proprty which will bring in $330AUD.

>>255794
This sounds brilliant.

More examples? I just worry about getting tenants, and having enough to purchase the house in the first place.

>>255851
Sounds brilliant yes, but look at all the ppl who went bankrupt when the economy fell out.

This works starting out if you can be your own handyman. Because your tenants will call you to fix anything and everything. You need to be a plumber, an electrician, a carpenter, and a general contractor. I'm not saying you need a license in each of these, but you will wear that hat at some point.

Also god forbid if you get a bad tenant. They bring in their mangy mutt (even tho you have a no pet policy) and get fleas infested in the whole thing. Plus they tear up shit, they dont pay on time, or at all, you have to go through the lengthy process of eviction (which depending on what state can be truly a nightmare for the owner).

Yes, there are definite pros when everything works like it should, but there are definite cons as well. Educate yourself to both and be prepared.

>>255854
ugg, wow.
I'm not too skilled in any of that stuff, now I'm worried.

>>255794
>>255794

that's what I'm going to do in about 4 years, after i finish my studies in the UK. My grandparents have a massive house, and a storage building next to it which is situated on 1448m2 of land. the land and the house will go to my mother and she will share it between us.
I have already talked about this with my grandad, and how the storage building will look like when I'm finished with it. A small house with a living room, kitchen and a toilet + 2 bedrooms upstairs. He has spent the last 5 years insulating it with 5cm of wool and another brick layer.
Also the main house can be split into 3 apartments, 1st floor 2nd floor and the attic. There is plenty of room in the garden for car storage and I was discussing the possibility of building a third house in the corner of the garden that's currently inhabited by 15 chickens.

All of this will happen providing I get a 9-5 job for a year or so and save my bones off. Then i can start renting it for some profit. Also i should say i'm a bit of a handyman so i can fix people's shit easily.

suck dick for cash

ITT: lazy teen doesn't want to work

get a job hippie

>>255952
For seem reason my mind read this as sick duck for cash and all I could think was "WAT?!"

I dated a girl who lived entirely off garage sale and thrift store flipping. She did movies and clothes. She also sews and does crafty girly shit. She bought a dress and listed it on ebay. She listed it for a week, if it didn't sale she dropped it some. If it didn't sell in another week she took it down and used the fabric to make some hipster clothes or a doll or something. She did decently well.

I supplement my income by selling books online. Go to a large university and find where they have free books. Get a handy app for your phone to scan then ISBN and get the value of the book. I make a few thousand a year doing this. This is probably for 4 weeks a year.

Some people go a step further and buyback books from students and resell them for more. You need cash for this though.

Some people go even one step further and buy tons of books from garage sales and sell them on amazon for a penny and make a small profit off the shipping costs. This method requires a large volume though.

>>255984

i print out books and sell them for cheaper than original values , ebooks of textbooks etc.. also sellng digital copies at 70-80% ish

the people i sell too arent too bright to share it around that much so its all good for me

>>255990
That's not a bad idea. I might have to build a high speed scanner and digitize the books from now on. Even at a large mark down, I'd still get residual profits without any actual stock.

>>255770

No problem. I started working for my dad, who is a contractor, during the summers but didn't learn much, so I started working with another local contractor. I basically told him if he could pay me 10 an hour I would work my ass off and learn the trade. It worked out well. He taught me to more or less build from dirt to finish. I try to do the same with my guys. We don't do much house building, but I try to at least get lots of framing and finish work so my guys get to learn those at the least. If you decide to take a route similar to mine try to find a reputable conractor who does a little bit of everything sometimes bigger ones will send you to school in exchange for 2 years of work. Goodluck and if you have any more questions ask.

>>255971
gtfo fag

Grow and sell weed
Or just become a straight up dealer.

You said you live in Cali?
Sell that shit to medical dispensaries

I'm a freelance entertainment lighting technician. I work at all hours of the day. I take public transit to all my gigs. On a good month I'll make $1,500 before taxes.

This life sucks I'd like to get a real full time job.

>>256265
well, shit :/

>>256254
I live in Cali.
How to?
My Dad's a cop though

>>256265
>>256265

Are you a ME or just a go-pusher? Either way, I wouldn't mind your job. I miss theatre work. too bad the area I live in has almost no theatre.

Anyone here works as a musician/composer?

Or as a scientist of some kind? I still don't know what I should do...

Scientist here. The only reason anyone is in science is because they have an insatiable hunger gnawing away their sanity until 80hr weeks in the lab wash it away with numbness. All the smart kids went with engineering.

>>256302
I write and play, but I'm not doing it as work yet.
The way you make money is make shit and get it licensed and placed (lots of competition), or leech onto someone else.

Or you wanna be a pop star?

op, what is that top pic from?

Is anybody active in the stock or share market?
I just came into a pretty decent sum of money and i'd like to invest it in some electric car/renewable energy type firm and hope to make money on it.
any tips?

>>255487
But- if I D00 that, they won't be secrets anymore. Feel free to give yours away, though.

>>256427
no source, sorry
>>256435
I'd invest in tech, but that's me.
>>256445
;___; You don't want to help your anon brothers and sisters?

>>256435

see

>>255794

>>256279
Right now I'm a box pusher/light hanger/cable wranglers. I COULD be an ME if they'd let me, and being a go-pusher would be great, stable employment for a three week run would rock!

I went to school for this shit and know more than 3/4 the people that I work with but that doesn't matter because I"m young and people don't know me yet.

I also do a LOT more than theatre, a lot of corporate and convention shows. I also do rock and roll but unless you are on the road the local gigs for rock pay SHIT. I can make twice as much on a corporate job as I can on a rock job. But I'm stil taking the rock gigs cause im poor.

I do PC repair. The jobs are not sustainable, but having some cash for a case of beer is worth the work. I bill myself at $25 for a virus/spyware removal service that takes me all of an hour and uses free software. I am

Keep track of what you do, so you can stick it on your resume if you ever need to get 9-5 job. Doing your own thing and making a buck at it looks better than a fast food job.

Unfortunately I need a 9-5 job to pay the bills. I took my PC repair job and BS'ed the hell out of it on my resume. At the very least it shows and employer I have been doing something for the past 8 months since I gradated from engineering school. The best case is I get the job because of the customer service and troubleshooting skills I have.

I'm a camgirl on

Flirt

4

Free.

I work 20 ish hours a week and earn 500-ish a week, give or take. It's on a commission base, customers pay me $6/min, and I get 26.6% of that. I have to set aside 30% to pay off taxes at the end of the year, since I pay them all myself. I can make all my own hours, which is good for working around school. Also I can work from anywhere with an internet connection. I just have to show my tits and shove a dildo up my vag.

>>256511
pics required

If you want income, you have to work for it. Working for yourself isn't all it's cracked up to be. If it was easy, everyone would do it. If you really want to be successfully self employed, expect to put in 16 hours a day for a year or two. It's not for the weak.
TL;DR::If you don't want to suck someone else's dick for your money, expect to work 3x as much. Freedom comes with a price you lazy hippy.

I have a question. I am on the not very fun adventure of trying to find employment. I can always resort to McDonald's and I've been in college, it's just that I've done terribly because I can't find anything that I'm remotely good at.

I sucked at comp sci, I sucked at doing EMT-Basic training. I sucked at all of it. I failed all my classes because I just couldn't find any happiness or interest in them. It wasn't the career choice that I wanted and I blew at it.

I'm trying my hand gardening and I do mediocre at that. I'm starting out building a desk with my girlfriend's dad, and I'm doing alright at that and I enjoy it.

I want to do something meaningful or something that I enjoy. I could go back to college or a vocational school, it's just that I'm not sure what interests me. How do I find out what interests me and quickly because I need to get a job or start on a career path. Everyone seems to want me to do that and I'm under pressure. I feel like I need to get my career started and everything in order now that I'm legally an adult.

What do I do?

>>256499
That's one thing I've had trouble with, putting what I've done on my own on a resume.

>>256511
I'm a boy...but since I want to transition, maybe I can try that later on.

>>256825
bump for my nigga right here

>>256825

There are career tests out there that will help direct you. I believe there is one on O-net. Google it.

>>256825
if you don't know yourself well enough to do something, you may not be cut out to be an entrepreneur.

>>255794

For the love of fucking god DO NOT DO THIS.

Everyone is fucking Australia sees housing as a risk free investment that only goes up in value.

Look what happened in America, Japan, Ireland and just about every other western country that went through a housing bubble.

POP

And guess what? Australia's bubble is the biggest. It's a long fucking way down.

>>256435

>One up on wall street

I highly suggest reading this before you throw money at the next facebook IPO

>that feel when you're an amazing designer and am very familiar with solidworks and autocad, but you can't find an in to a company ;_;

>>257030
True that, everytime I watched grand designs or some house hunters show that showed Australia, I was stunned at what people pay. It will be certainly interesting to see how Austrila will cope with the bubble bursting.

>>257030
It's great, I'm not old enough to consider buying a house yet so when it pops I'll jump on it. Gonna be good.

>>257061
Maybe if you could express yourself properly in English, without mixing up narrative modes within one sentence, someone might hire you.

>>257061
So, what do you design exactly? Can we see some samples?

bump
can we get some ACTUAL advice/tips/success stories?

>>257085

ive designed hovercrafts, HVAC enhancement systems, weight lifting cage

everything has been for free since i have no success in finding a job, everything needs a bachelor

I'm an amateur magician. I don't work a conventional 9-5, so I'm technically self-employed.

For an average week, I'll have at least threetalented /diy/ers parties on the weekend, plus Friday and Saturday gigs at frat parties working with a local burlesque group. Weekdays, I take the bus into the city center and do street performances, usually in the evenings/when foot traffic is higher.

I'll occasionally get bookings for smaller dinner theaters, or with the burlesque group at local clubs and events. Unfortunately, that may end soon, as they've been trying to get one of their members skilled enough to do magic performance so they don't need a profit split. Thankfully, she warned me that I was in danger of getting tossed out, so we've been altering the routines to make more and prevent too many secrets from crossing around.

Overall, I can make anywhere between 1K a month to 10K, depending on how well things go.

I own and operate a trucking business. Work whatever days/times I want within the law, and spend most of the day fucking around on the internet, honestly.

>inb4 hurr durr no car
A tractor isn't a car. Man the fuck up. Get together $15,000USD, and you're good to get started with a lease agreement and some decent financing.

I earn a $700,000 yearly salary but I wanted to have something to do in my part time so I got a FFL and now I sell guns & work. From selling guns/ammo and doing FFL transfers I earn about $250,000 a year bringing my total yearly income to $950,000.

Just made $1000 in the past 9 days. This was a good week. Doubt I'll have another week like this is a good long time.

Sometimes I really do like being a freelance lighting tech.

>>257228
hey, I'm a lighting tech too. I am ME at a small theater and I do overhire for IATSE. I also grow pot. I'm not really saving anything but I get by with the small amount of hours I actually work. There is a smallish town so there isn't a whole lot of gigs.

>>257228
>>257251
how do I get into to doing something like this?

>>257199
What is/was your first job?

>>257257
Do you want to work hard, at all hours, often on short notice?

>>257228

>mfw I made 3000 in 10 days
>tfw no face

>>257279
good for you

>>255971

60% of university students in Ontario (where I live) are unemployed.
I've been applying, following up with, and going to interviews since January. Nobody will hire me because I'm 21 and don't have five years experience in a specific field.
There was a waiter position I applied for. They told me to bugger off because I don't have five years experience.

>>257257
you pretty much have to live in a major metropolitan area to make a decent wage. get involved in local theater do a few shows backstage. After you have a little experience you can call your local Iatse office and ask for over hire work. It really helps to know people.

>>257288
Experience is second, contacts are first. It takes time to build up relationships and contacts for the real good gigs, because you have to be actually working in order to make them.

Also don't call your office, GO TO your local IA office. Bigger towns will also have several if not dozens of production, A/V, lighting, sound and labor companies.

>>257283
Every time I see stats about college grad unemployment rates, I always wonder just how many of those actually got useful degrees, and not shit like philosophy or art.

Nothing against those fields, they're great and an important part of the human experience, but the degree is useless and I don't understand why anyone would spend thousands of dollars and years of their time to get one.

>>257307
Because some people understand that what´s taugh in those fields is what makes the difference between us and the other animals in this world, and find it worth to devote their lives to keep the knowledge alive so society don´t becomes what it´s becoming: a big tribe where each person does his job just to live another day, until the day they die.

We´ve walked a long way. Our ancestors achieved great deeds in many fields. We don´t want it to be forgotten. That´s why some of us study those grades, despite how hard it will be to get a job with them.

Some people study those grades because they´re usually easier. But that´s bullshit. It easier to pass, but just passing means shit. If you don´t get something out of it, then you´ve done nothing.

>>257317
You missed my point. I'm not saying they're not worth studying. The fields and the information contained within them are incredibly important to us as people. But the college will teach you nothing that you couldn't find online. Any books or papers you need can be found there. I see a degree as an investment, money spent in order to earn more in the future. I would never go into debt for something that will be of no use to me, and that I could learn elsewhere.

>>257317
History major here wanted to be a teacher. Got a job digging ditches now. I wish someone had stopped me from getting my useless degree

>>255520
>$200 dollars per month

Must be nice living with the parents.

My bills come out to ~$1200/month and I am literally debt free with triple A credit.
My food per month is budgeted at $300/month and that is only $10 per day. I eat nothing but eggs/turkey, oats and olive oil too.

>>257322

$10 a day and you can't afford vegetables?

>>257307
I got a philosophy degree. I have no problem getting jobs. I don't set my goals sky high like everyone seems to today. I don't expect to be a CEO and make 100k a year, nor do I ever want to. I make a comfortable living working as a custodian and doing freelance work on the side.

>>257324
Vegetables are a waste of money. I get my macros from what I listed above and I get my minerals/vitamins from multis.

>>257345
You only eat eggs, turkey, oats, and olive oil... and it costs you 10$/day? You're doing something wrong.

>>257345

no, idiot. multis are worthless. have fun with your deficiencies.

>>257367
Multis are worthless if you're not getting enough nutrients from other sources.

>>257266
>>257266
>>257288
...if it pays well.
Well, I live in the 562 30 miles outside of LA. But I don't have a car, that's probably my biggest issue.
I've been taking alot of classes in audio engineering though, so I am quite familiar with the audio side of things.

>>257283
>>257292
how are you supposed to get experience when you can't get a job to get experience.

I've gotten around the 9-5 job by working 9-6. Come at me bro.

"I want a job making the equivalent of $28/hr, but I can't even make decisions for myself"

Am I reading this right OP?

I'm still in college but I've never been employed in my life. Despite applying and following up I've only gotten one interview, which I screwed up when asked what would keep me coming back to subway aside from a paycheck (a long silence followed by bullshit isn't a great answer). Anyway, I've been finding all kinds of shit I don't care about in my closet and selling it on ebay recently. It doesn't bring in much at all, but once I build some funds off of that I'll start keeping an eye out on craigslist and at thrift stores. That likely still won't be enough for a sustainable income, though. Just some spending money or, more likely, some money to save up while I look for a fucking job. Goddamn why would I need experience for a low tier retail slave job? Anyway, there's no simple answer if you don't have proficiency in anything. However, I'm going to work on my writing and drawing at home while going to school and try and find freelance opportunities in either area.

>>257417
>>257417
you should go and post that in>>255487

>>257485
> what would keep me coming back to subway aside from a paycheck

Haha, I just love it how the HR faggots ask questions which only test who is the best liar and/or who prepared his lies beforehand.

OP is 12

Excuse me talented diyers light techs, would it be feasible for someone with experience in lighting from HS theater to get into the business? I live about 20 minutes from a college town with a little theater and about 2 hours from Chicago.

hypothetically also only 16. but purely hypothetical.

>>257485
> what would keep me coming back to subway aside from a paycheck

If I wouldn't get prosecuted for strangling people who ask this question, I would absolutely do it.

>>257675
Yeah, that's a great place to start. I would definitely ask the drama teacher for leads. Call every theater in the area and see if they need help. Check the gigs>crew section in Craigslist.

I stumbled upon buzztouch.com back when it was in beta and free, so i get to keep my free account.

then i spent about an hour making an app out of boredom. Another hour spent following the tutorials to setup the programs and compile the app for market upload.

Uploaded to the android market.

My app was the first of its kind, and it blew up quick, and now i make 5k - 6k a month on auto pilot. No job, do maybe 15 minutes of work a day responding to e-mails. App sells itself, and sits in the top 20 in its category.

inb4 "whats your app?" not telling you

kids from india have already copied my idea and saturated the market w/ similar apps, yet it hasnt really affected my sales that much

Work smarter not harder anon

>>257322
Wtf? Lol.

My bills aren't anywhere near 1200.

Apartment: 400
Light: 60-80
Phone: 100
Food: 150

My apartment isn't fucking huge, but it's in a good neighborhood. Walk-in closet, 12x14 bedroom, 12x20 living room, etc.

Water bill, cable/wifi is included too, so I don't have to pay for that.

Even with only 150 bucks of food I eat pretty fucking good. Just learn how to shop around and be more energy efficient. If anything the thing I hate most is my phone bill, but what can I do?

>>257726
I've heard a plethora of times that app making is the next big 'thing', but I don't know much about programming.
Besides, how can you decide what to make an app for?

>>257799
>Apartment -400
I live in Southern California, the cheapest I'll ever find a single apartment is $1000, and that's not even in a 'nice' neighborhood really.

Where do you live?

Cook Crystal Meth, maybe add some Chile P to make it the bomb

I dunno about you guys, but I get by selling my body on the streets every weekend. It pulls in about a grand a week and keeps the kids fed.

>>257857
I live on the border in Texas.

>>257864
10/10
Hello there, Pinkman.

>>257857
i don't know which area in SoCal you live in, but one bit of advice from another Ca anon call the CalTrans Authority. They own thousands of pieces of property through out the state (apartments, houses), many of which are cheap to rent and most people aren't aware of.

>>257864

Flipping is where its at.. But you have to spend money to make money
here's an example of what I did and what I earned...
Every summer there is a fireworks competition which includes about 4-5 countries that comes into town.. Depending on how they scheduling it can be a firework event every weekend..
What I did is I found a supplier where I was able to get 1000 glowstick bracelets for 40 dollars.. so I ordered 4 lots of 1000 bracelets at a total of 160 dollars. I then got a permit for 300 dollars to sell them in the zone where the even would take place.... I sold each bracelet at 2 dollars each (and that is completely lowballing it) Other people were selling at 5 dollars each.. In any event I would sell out quick.. Kids love it. People love it. and the price is perfect.
In the end other then the expenses of the permit and the purchase of the bracelets I made 8000 dollars. I would sell the bracelets before the fireworks would occur so I was in an out as soon as I sold out. Could of I have sold alot more... could I have sold them for more? hell ya... Hopes this gives you a little bit of an idea on how to earn money by doing virtually nothing.

>>257857
>I live in Southern California, the cheapest I'll ever find a single apartment is $1000, and that's not even in a 'nice' neighborhood really.

Shit son. I live in a townhome in a middle class area with two friends. We each pay 300$/month.

Rent: 300
Power:15
Phone: 50
Food: 50

I live in Minneapolis.

>>258280
He's right, renting a single room is $700-800, renting a studio is $900-1000, even in shitty areas.

I'm going to be starting a business very soon, after I close on the house I'm buying and get all that squared away. I'm going to be specializing in social media consulting, both setting up and running local business's FB, twitter, etc, but also charging per hour examining what a business can do better. I'm planning on a large mailing of flyers or brochures and giving away 3 months of my services at no charge. After that, they can decide to keep me or go on their own. My hope in doing this is to both attract a large amount of potential clients quickly and gain a decent portfolio with which to attract new ones. Keep in mind I'm going to be doing this while working by full time job so I'm expecting late nights and lost sleep doing this. It should also be fairly low cost, setting up a sole proprietorship in my state is about $50, the flyers and mailing might be about $150-200, all I need is a laptop and maybe a few presentation materials (still working this detail out). Not sure why I'm posting this, maybe to get some feedback, but maybe to give someone out there an idea. I see alot of businesses, that, even if they do have facebook or twitter, it's being underutilized, especially restaurants.

>>258258
Not who you're replying to but also in Cali, is there a website you can look those up in? It would be kind of weird for me to just call up CalTrans and ask if they rent out places, at least in my mind.

>come to this board for the first time
>see trucker
>see postman

Seems like everyone is migrating here.

Anyway, I don't really believe in free lancing unless you have a fair bit of capital together. Working 9-5 seems like a bitch, until you remember that you spend a lot of time sleeping and not being responsible for much (unless you go against company policy or are completely negligent).

I think an ideal scenario is finding a part time job (20 or so hours a week), that's nearby and you have some flexibility with hours.

From there, you aren't starving and have time to do whatever.

That's just my .05 though. It's a bitch to find part time jobs, which pisses me off.

Part time self employed gardener on student hols reporting. I make about £160 a week, but that varies hugely - I made £110 today alone, it depends on your jobs.

The most important thing about irregular work is you give people reasons to re-hire you. Yeah you need to charge reasonable rates, but you need to be friendly and helpful, not just do the bare minimum. You're competing against a lot of people, including migrant labour, so work hard.

This is probably a long-shot, but there was a thread here a good while back (several months) about the OP's method for spinning articles to make money. It was very interesting, but I stupidly did not save it. Does anyone know what I'm talking about/have it saved?

>>258640
>So I've decided tonight I will share something with /diy/.

>I've seen many "how can i make some money online" threads. I've responded in bits and pieces here and there with general answers, but decided I'll sit down and spoon feed anyone who's interested a few thoughts.

>Who am I? Who cares. the only thing that matters is to know I've played with internet marketing (IM) for years, had great success and great fails. The following information will be meant as a series of stepping stones to get anyone who is genuinely interested in IM into the mix, get their feet wet, and learn the basic principles. This is not a "become a millionaire" guide. This will teach you to make money online and help you learn the fundamentals.

>PS: This picture is being used because another anon quoted my response in another thread to answer another person asking for IM advice, he used this pic, and seeing that someone took what i said and kept it is what has motivated me to do this.

This one? Saved it, but too tired to dump. I'll dump it tomorrow, maybe. Any tips for easier dumping?

>>258296
>>258280
So Cal here, I know a few people that rent houses; 2000 mortage, 4 people @house, 500 bucks/person

>>258708
link to the post, and we can look it up in the /diy/ archive (if it's archived)

Otherwise, open it in your web browser and take screenshots.
I'd probably do one of the whole thread, and then edit that one into smaller pieces.

i work on the oil rigs in northern canada, its 14 days on 7 days off 14-16 hour days. i work 3 months a year. and don't have to worry about anything until the end of august to the middle of november.

i make enough to sustain myself for the 9 months im not working. so mortgage, all my bills, food, insurance for 2 cars, and enough left over for having fun and traveling. I'm only 21, and i will be taking over a rig next year

>>258708
That's the one. I'd really appreciate it if you would upload or repost it.

>>258750
>>258785
I put it in a .zip archive. Where should I upload it?

>>258821
/rs/
mediafire

>>258640
>>258708
>>258750
>>258785
>>258821
>>258826
contribootin'
http://www.mediafire.com/?p4x9jlmqtm94it1

Niche blogging/ website development..
I started out with those stupid 'blogger click 4 click /b/ posts" made a music blog, after a week or so of working on the blog and click for clicking with other people I made my first 100 bucks with google adsense.. I was like "damn holy shit internet money is real" so what ive started to do is I used that 100 dollars from google to buy domain names and website hosting.. So far so good. Niche blogs are pretty good money makers.. The ones making money get anywhere from 50-250k views per day, (my best one is #1 top slot on google so i get tons of organic traffic without any advertising) Some days ill make as little as 10 bucks and as much as 40-50 usd which is pretty damn good for a blog..

Tips:
Find a niche (something you can write about)
Buy a domain name (people dont visit FREE hosted websites as much)
Read about SEO and adsense placement
Dont put advertisements on your blog until you have 50 solid blog entries..
Thats all ive got for now, oh yeah i use wordpress usually just use a free theme and edit the graphics, background, banner to fit the niche, I use SEO plugins and some other plugins to add flair and submit to social media websites..

Im currently running 4 blogs, all different topics.. I have 3 more urls which im gonna start developing soon 2 are going to be blogs but ive got huge plans for one of the domains, it has NO website other then a blank page and its #2 on google in a 2 billion dollar a year industry so I honestly think this domain is worth some serious $$$ if its developed correctly, ( not a blog, probably an online marketplace.) Anyways if anyone needs help getting started post your skype here.. Any questions ask here too ill check in.. I dont mind helping people out, i might be looking for some partners, who knows maybe well make some really good cash if it takes off

>>258840

Thanks man

>>258895

Great Info thanks.

What is the best way to look for a niche? I am into finance, investing, and money management and made a blog a few weeks ago but there are so many other money managing related blogs that I don't get much traffic. How could I improve my results?

>>257726
>have great idea for an app
>search turns up 0 results, so nobody else has thought of it
>last time I coded anything was using RPGMaker 2003
How fuct am I? And I'll check out that site you listed. Are there any better ones out there?
also
>inb4 'what's your idea?'
lolno.

>>258900
Finding a niche can be easy, the topic has to be very specific.. Finance is a large topic maybe new york finance or some region, or tech business finance.. The goal is to find topics which there isnt much content or info about, then dominate that topic in the search engines,.

>>258904
Reap?

>>258915

Thanks for the info

>>258895
What's your take on tumblr? I recently opened some random artsy fartsy image one with the hopes of monetizing it once the userbase grows a bit, through adsense I suppose. Or would you consider blogs with written content rather than only images are better?

>>258895
send me a email, or give your email,

elmoroyd@gmail.com

>>258895

Like wise please, if you have the time, I have a Skype account I can link you over email. In UK btw.

vizoros@gmail.com

20 with no degree,clearly, and not many skills, have done programming in education, did alright. I'm a good logical thinker, I joined Mensa a few years ago, so I'm not entirely dumb, haha. However I am pretty skint for the while.

Any help you, or /diy/, can give would be great, same boat as OP.

>>258895
hmm, yeah that sounds like a good idea.

What kind of niche do you believe works best?
'Factual' niche, or something objective? Like opinionated?

I've been thinking about starting a music blog, but honestly, I don't know where my niche whould be, I know lots of shit about lots of shit, I don't really have overly specialized knowledge in any one area. Or at least, I don't think I do.

What kind of partners are you looking for?


>>256511
Anyone got anymore info on this?
I'm a guy, and I don't have a webcam atm, but I've heard plenty of women that make ok pay doing this.
>>255689
more info on this?
other sites beside oDesk?

>>259272
3 main sites are odesk, guru and elance. There's also scriptlance and rentacoder but the rates are worse.

Working on those sites as a programmer is soul crushing. If I ever go back I'll present as a designer or business or put something really good on github and market myself with a trendy coding blog. Actually with the github profile and blog you can probably avoid those sites and get real contracts with registered companies.

I do high-speed digital PCB design, write verilog for FPGAs

All self-taught, and college was/is hilariously inadequate at teaching these things. I'm pretty much dropping out at this point.

I am now selling the hardware I design that is fabbed in China to people all over and make enough to support myself and save some every month.

I have had clinical depression for my entire life and recently got on Effexor which has improved my ability to work and focus, even though it costs me $250 out of pocket every month it's worth it

The last class at college I took the profs were interested in having me give a talk to the faculty about BGA and high speed pcb layout. I applied to Garmin (they make GPS units) and was turned down because my GPA sucks.

In short, college is a poor fit and being self-employed lets me do what I love, at the tradeoff of being responsible for finding opportunities and working 10 times harder to exploit them

I'm currently holding down two jobs and have no car. I'm looking for a third, but overall, I'd say I'm pretty lucky.

Job one: 3rd shift (12am-8am) at an internet cafe 8.5/hr (Florida). It's about a mile from my house so jog back and forth

Job two: On call sign spinner. 4-5 hours a day at 10.5/hr. I can refuse to spin whenever I want

I just turned 19 and clock about 445, give or take 20 or 30 dollars depending on overtime and tips.

I would like a third job though. Maybe part time bagging at Publix or something, anyone have ideas?

>>259445

You go to college to get a piece of paper which tells the others that you're worth at least something.
Or, like one professor once said: college degree is a proof that you're capable of learning the job you're applying to.

>>259426
huh, thanks.
I'm not a programmer, are there other types of work available there?
What determines getting a job? Speed? Prior work? What would I do about that, I don't have any references or a resume...how can/should I get around that?

>>259426
Do you have to use your real name with this shit?
How do you get paid?
Checks? or just paypal?

>>259465
http://www.guru.com/pro/search.aspx?#&&page=1&sort=PostedDateDescending
The other sites have similar pages, they're a few clicks off the frontpage.

Yes you need a portfolio to attract genuine employers. One thing you can do is create some fake sites on things that interest you. Fill them with fake forum posts and use them as your portfolio.

There's also lots of scammers on who prey on newbies who have no portfolio. They'll get you to do work and then simply not pay.

The best use of these sites if you're in the west is to use them for their intended purpose: exploiting people in east europe and india. Set yourself up as the manager of a legit web design company and outsource all the work on these sites.

>>259471
To get paid you need a consistent name. Making two accounts can get you banned.

two words-

(you won't believe how easy teens are to entertain)

>>259484
what if "you" have 2 accounts, lets say 1 is the real you, the personal account, and the second one, is for a group of people.

>>258962
Not sure about tumblr, but personally id say text is wayy better then images since text can be used for keywords, its easyier to find text on a search engine then photos, most of my blog posts contain 400 words minimum along with 2-4 pictures per post. Then i add tags, put it in a category, post link to twitter,facebook and sometimes reddit if i can slip it in without looking like direct link whoring.

Anyways I posted this on another website so I guess ill post it here. Ive dropped EVERYTHING im doing to focus 110% attention to this development of this new website since I personally think it can be a homerun. Ive never seen this kind of traffic without any content, or a basic website! Its very promising and ill be able to make money not just off of advertisements but membership!

Heres the jist it's in a very large market, and a 2 billion dollar a year industry.. Currently #2 on google.. Im looking for a skilled partner(s) to help brainstorm and expand. The closest website that I could consider a competitor nets 15 million / year and has offices in europe, USA, and hong kong.. If this website is developed correctly there is serious potential for $$$. Wordpress (news, blog, updates front page) then a forum or auction/ listing website for the "market place" If you have experience with online games, mmorpgs, even video games thats a plus. We will stay in contact via skype. Thanks

Im going to make a fake skype name soon, (not my personal one) so I can contact the people who have posted & ill post it here if people need help getting started niche blogging

>>259490
>http://socialtimes.com/money-youtube-partners_b21335
I'm in shock

I do a lot of handyman/carpentry/painting work which is pretty easy money and people always need it done especially in this area where there are a lot of old houses. If you know anything about the above fields you can probably do it.
Anyway, I've learned that people always want someone to water their plants/check on their house while they go on vacation. I went to a fancy neighborhood and put up some signs and 5+ people called. I charge $10 a day and usually have 3 houses at a time. $210 extra a week just for watering some plants is nice.

>>256511 tits or gtfo

>>257136
Somebody with no job can't get money OR a loan. Try harder, faggot.

>>259518
>>259518
I'm v. interested, but I don't want to email unless I know what the industry is.

>>259509
>>259484
What if I just use a singular fake name/alias?

Thanks for the link, hopefully I can find something I can do---I'm not really a programmer

It looks like an awesome way to make cash is SEO-search engine optimization.
I know jack all about it though, anyone have guides/tutorials/literature on the subject?

I guess I'll post here too then. I swing trade stocks with a $5,000 account. I have made $320 in the past 2 days (pic related just check the price of CBOU today on yahoo finance or something). I have only been doing this for around 6 months, but I plan on growing this account to the point where I can make some serious money.

Does anyone have experience as a freelance writer/copywriter? I currently have a full-time writing job I love in which I do a looot of copy ranging from SEO-focused blog posts to newsletters that go out to thousands of real paying customers. I really prefer doing the latter - spending more time but producing a better result. Is there an online market for this, or is it more towards fast-n-cheap?

>>259972
I'm >>259945
I don't know much about that, but you could probably try>>259484
>>259426
can you tell me about SEO-work?
I'm finding freelance stuff in that area, but I don't really know what you're supposed to do, so I haven't tried for anything.

>>259947
More details on this?

>>258840
>>>80841

>>256302
Don't know if anybody has replied to this yet, but if you think you're capable of learning to read music, and playing it pretty damn well, then there is work to be had playing at places like theaters, concerts, and other gigs. If you can get into a city with a good music scene, and meet the people in charge of that music scene, then they will hire you if you are good, and reliable. You can get paid anywhere from $20 to $200 for one gig. I've made all my money so far from performing as a freelance bassist. People always need bassists.

>>255563
That's me. I just want to expand on my method of making money by flipping goods. Keep in mind, this is not necessarily efficient, but it gets me some extra cash on the side while I am a full time student.

I started off selling video games that I had in storage. NES, SNES, N64, Genesis, PS, PS2, PC, XBOX, and XBOX360. I had about 200 altogether and they were
just taking up space. I only used Amazon, even though the rates are higher, because I find it less of a hassle than eBay. I made serious cash, so I turned it
into a hobby/part-time job. I increased my inventory by buying more games from personal friends of mine via Facebook/text/in-person. I tried not to Jew them too
much because they are actual friends of mine, and nothing will ruin a friendship faster than by fucking people out of money, so I kept the fact that I was reselling their shit to a minimum.

Eventually my sources started drying up, so I moved on to eBay. I started bidding on games after I figured how much I could make versus total expenses. I lost
a LOT of the auctions because I was an idiot and started bidding wars early on in the life of the auction. Then I got smart and started using an autosnipe
service. I started winning more often, but still lost plenty because I bid low enough to make a profit by reselling. I was making minimum profit, anywhere from
$1 to $2. It was some cash, but I'm greedy, so it wasn't enough for me.

>Continued...

>>260514
So I expanded. I kept bidding on video games, but I started bidding on electronics, as well. And then I started adding completely random shit like printer ink,
kitchen appliances, computer accessories, books, etc. Still, it was too time consuming, so I started hitting up yard sales, thrift stores, pawn shops, and this store chain that buys and sells salvage of any kind (salvage = goods people return to stores, displays, excess inventory, and brand new items where only the packaging is damaged by water or smoke, etc.) for ridiculously low prices.

Yard sales are great because if someone puts it out for sell, they want to get rid of it and hope to make a little cash while doing it. Thrift stores are just the company version of a yard sale, and because their shit is usually just given to them, they don't care how much it sells for. Several thrift stores near me have stocks of books numbering in the thousands for a quarter each (I stocked up enough to fill two large bookcases for about $50 with an expected profit
of about $300-$500). Pawn shops usually overprice the shit out of their inventory. For example, one I went to recently had two boxes full of SNES games at $6
each. That was about $600 worth of mostly pure shit (think Super Play Action Football), but there were a couple decent carts in there. I told him that, and
managed to convince him to part with both boxes for $65. I sold the good titles for $200, and sold the shitty ones for a penny and made profit on the postage.
The salvage store is a fucking goldmine. I go every time they restock and drop about $150 worth on a variety of items and make a minimum 100% margin most of the time.

>Continued...

>>260517
I recently expanded to Craigslist, and haven't made anything, but it all takes time. Most people sell their shit for ridiculously expensive because they are
idiots, but most are willing to haggle. Remember, you can always increase the price, but you can never go back down after you have. Low-ball them, but not too
much because people get butthurt. If you have patience, you will find good deals among the shit.

I live in a big college town and mass moving time has arrived, so I started dumpster diving and have found several great pieces of furniture that people are too
lazy to fix or they don't have enough room for it. I have also found electronics that take minimal effort to repair, and I am selling all the big pieces on Craigslist and the Craigslist-like page that my college sponsors.

This shit isn't easy, this shit isn't quick, this shit isn't clean, this shit takes patience, and if you learn from your mistakes and keep trucking, this shit will provide you with a living that is fun to achieve, will put money in your pockets, will increase your social skills, and will teach you the value of a motherfucking dollar.

There is no such thing as not having a 9-5 job. I just put my 2 weeks in for my current "9-5" to go full time internet marketing, I'm making from 3-5k a month depending on how things go for said month, and at this moment things are pretty much on auto pilot so i do very little work.

But that doesn't mean I'm floating free by any means. Methods will stop working, new things will be tested, I'll be doing 20 hour shifts revamping every few months.

There is no "easy money" method to work at home. It requires a LOT of planning, effort, testing, and thinking. You work like a dog to make something function how you want, use it while it works (SOME select few find something nice that works forever, but those methods are kept secret) then go back to the drawing board to make new plans or adjust as time goes.

>>260520
that was me btw.

a few suggestions:

-ebay
-article writing/spinning
-adsense
-hobby website with ad placement
-create a product

>>260518
>>260517
>>260514
why did i feel like i was listening to a speech

>>257799
Get an ooma telo for your home phone, get a cheap plan for your cell phone.

>>260521
you sir, are awesome.

>>255487
Go suck some dicks

>>260498
What is the meaning of this?

>>260486

Requires a lot of work and a good amount of money to be successful. Also, losing money sucks.

>>258895
I'd love it if I could get some tips from you about monetizing a blog

skype:metasociology

It'stalented /diy/ershit, but it works.

- Get bike
- Buy 2 cans of spray paint: black, and white.
- Buy PLASTIC NUMBER STENCILS (PLASTIC. Not that paper shit that falls apart after 5 uses).
-Get cardboard or straight sheet plastic, about 4 sheets the size of the largest part of a cereal box.
-Go door-to-door
-"Howdy! I was wondering if you'd like me to spray your house numbers on the curb for $5. If you don't like it, I'll do it again for free until you're happy with the results. I'm trying to save up for college."
- takes like 2 minutes or less to do
- Usually 1 or 2 out of every 10 people want their numbers painted/repainted on the curb
- make like $20+ an hour, I usually make like $50
- If you do 2 peoples' houses AN HOUR, congrats, you just surpassed minimum wage.


-Go door to door
-Ask people if they have any recyclables they don't want, you're saving up for college and trying to be eco-friendly
-Would it be alright if I picked up recycling every week or two from you?
-So many bags of recycling you can't see the lawn in your backyard anymore
-Turn in for cash at recycling plant
-Save the fucking planet while you're at it
-KEEP WINE BOTTLES AND NICE CRAFT BEER BOTTLES
-Use glass cutter to score a STRAIGHT circle around the entire bottle
-boil water
-pour boiling water slowly over the score until the bottle heats up
-quickly (but gently) plunge into an ice bath
-sand down sharp edges
-sell on craigslist or ebay "Wine/Beer bottle glasses, $5 for 2"
-Wtf even more profit out of nowhere
-Popular with college students

OH, ALSO,

-in the middle of the night, go agri-pirating plants from peoples yards
-cut small branches off of popular decorative trees and bushes and shit
-dip end in rooting hormone
-plant in plastic milk jugs until they root
-sell for profit on craigslist


Seriously there's so much shit you can do.

>>260738
MFW all of this shit is under-the-table, and thus tax free.

Don't get audited! lol

>grandmother dies
>sell house for about 1m(ish)
>use money to buy empty house
>knock down walls on ground floor
>run internet cafe, live upstairs

tl;dr inheritance.

also: be thai/english, english side of the family is pretty much all dead, save for dad. all be living in thailand enjoying stupid hot weather.

also-also: do not own motorised vehicle. saving up for antique lever-action pistol.

>>260754
"Antique lever-action"
sorry, by antique I mean it's just pretty, has carvings in it and shit. Haven't got a clue how old it is.

>>260738
I wanna hear from this guy.
Forget about trying to make money online, the stuff this guy is giving you is one of the best ways to make money, while not scamming anybody.
Please post moar!

>get my diploma
>can't find work
>unemployed for 6 months
>get offered casual work as a roof tiler
>get shit all money and am fucked all the time
Jobs a job. Isn't really an easy way for anything

Serious question: what is the point of having your house number painted on the curb? Mine is on my house...

I suggest selling drugs. If you're not a retard selling drugs is an amazing way to make cash. Just don't think because you are poor and your life sucks it's okay to use your own shit. And don't get greedy, make a little cash, buy a cheap car, get your ass back underneath you and use your drug money to go to college or something.

bump, looking for something better...

follow the money, op, no matter what you do. the goal with self-employment should be to create a system (employees, software, etc) that lessens the amount of work you do.

Hard work != money
Smart work = money

day trade (online)

you will need some start up cash though...

>>261443
Oh, please.
DO continue......

>>261448
he trades his life savings and his daughter's college fund

>for a cardboard box.

1.Best Advice:
Know people.

A lot, a fucking ton, of jobs are acquired through word of mouth/friends/family knowing people. Holy fuck I can't stress it enough.

So many positions are filled or created this way. Learn to not be a social retard.

2.Second Best Advice
Go somewhere you are guaranteed a job.

EXAMPLES:
i.The fucking military
ii.USEFUL college degree(STEM) that must have internships
iii.Some sort of boom(i.e Yukon Gold Rush, Silicon Valley in the 90's. Oil Fields and Mines mostly today).

ii and iii both require money. You need to get a shitty job. You have to maximize savings and minimize costs. This means living a lower quality of life. You consume shitty things and working a shitty job. Cut unnecessary expensives. You pay too much for your cellphone. Fast food is a rip off and so are coffees.

College is expensive. You need to sign a 6/12 month lease and pay tuition, you need to stay on course for 3-4 years, which is a long term endeavor. Scholarships and bursaries help.

Moving to a boom place costs money. You need a place to live until you can get settled. Cost of living is artificially high in these places so it can be expensive.


The cold hard truth is good jobs are gone. The number of kinds of jobs has exploded but job security is non existent.

We live in a world of services now. These jobs are shit(call centres, cashiers, fast food) and part time.

You need to learn and find a boom and exploit it. I can't stress that 'work smarter not harder' mantra. In some boom areas you can become a millionaire in 10 years if you work hard and save.

>>259947
>but I plan on growing this account to the point where I can lose some serious money

Sounds about right.

Free money only comes from chance. You can't seek it so don't chase it.

>>261469

2.25
Don't act like over entitled cunts.

There is way tooo much LIFE SO HARD or MY LIFE SUX WORKIN 4 DA MAN from late teen to mid 20 some guys working shitty retail jobs.

IM SO DEPRESSED I NEED PILLZ N THERAPY BAWWW /r/DEPRESSED BAWWW.

People say mental health illnesses are on the rise. Of course they fucking are, because people are told they're sick. So people believe they're sick. Just like believing in a religion or luck or some other bullshit. People read up on it and feel kinda blue and paint themselves into the god damn picture.

People didn't have time to be depressed or anxious before. They worked a hard fucking day and slept. They were busy

Nowadays people are idle on fucking computers so much it just builds into some self defeating prophecy.

I was diagnosed with depression and anxiety issues in my early 20's. Baww baww I was like the other bleeding hearts you see on /adv/ or whatever shithole.

Then I grew the fuck up. Rather than doing nothing I did things no matter how pointless I felt they were. I did what I listed above(ii.move to a boom). I did my research and found out what I needed to do. I worked my shit job and saved enough money for a few months rent/living expenses.

I worked really hard for a few years. I didn't drink, smoke, gamble or go to strip clubs like the other workers. SAVE money do not BORROW money. I came back home and bought a home that needed some fixing up. I work a simple job for a friends company a few hours a week to cover my other expensive.

There is _a lot_ of pressure thrown on young men these days. That earlier mentioned 'yer sick in the head bro' shit and other normal stuff(you NEED car, you NEED your own home, you NEED a smartphone, etc). Live your own life and get by how you can.

Grow weed indoors and sell it. Try not to rely on buying seeds, use cuttings instead. With some big growboxes and strong lights you can harvest a lot. Read all tutorials about indoor growing you can find online, there are really hundreds of them. Inform yourself about fertilizers etc. It isnt really hard to do it, and if youre interested in plants/gardening, it can be fun too. Oh and you never run out of weed. Ask people how much they pay for their weed, and give them a try-out, so they see your stuff is quality. If they like it, offer it to a price which is slightly lower than the one they used to buy for. Like that you can establish a base of customers. Sorry for my bad english.

I'm happy to work, just outside of the established 9-5 pattern. Really, i'd be happy working 10-6 or 11-7 actually. I just hate mornings and the rush they bring.

I was thinking of repairing computers, starting some kind of small biz... but honestly i'm not sure where to start.

>>261475
The laws in LA California are changing, so I might try that.
I'm just worried about getting caught+finding customers.
>>261426
More tips on this?
I wouldn't mind, making a couple grand and then calling it a day, but again, I'm worried about getting caught.
I'm also black.

I work a few hours each week. Programming and video production. It's pretty nice.

>>261485
Wait, really? Black, lazy, and want to sell drugs for easy money? Reinforce stereotypes more, really.

I have another one: Online poker
you have to practice all day long, read books and articles, create a pokerstrategy account etc and probably after you did all this you will still lose money at first, but you with enough patience you can become a shark among fishes I think.

>>260754
can i hold it for a day?

You can make a bit of money re-selling Team Fortress2 items and steam tradable games.

Buy games as a gift during steam sales, trade the game after sales for tf2 items, convert tf2 items into tf2 keys, sell the keys for $1.30-$1.50 through paypal.

Takes time to build reputation and you need to be in front of the computer most of the day for trading. But you can make a few hundred a month if you do it right. TF2 unusual hat market is also very profitable, but very hard to succeed in, some hats are worth several hundred dollars.

>>261541
And instead of wasting your time on digital hat bullshit you could get a real job instead of playing Autistic hat daytrader.

How do you even put that on a resume?

>>261598
>Set up digital online distribution service that sold supplies to customers world wide

Not that fucking hard you idiot.

>>261486
I'd love to do this sort of thing, could you give more info about what you do and how you got into it? What applications you use/develop, how you find work etc.

I'd also like to hear more about blogging, I have a weird life (well relatively, by 4chan standards) and i wonder if other people would have any interest in reading/learning/being amused by it and how to translate that into cash.

Also I've tried paid-to-click. I can seriously dis-recommended it unless you like circle-juggling dicks.

so i have about 3 weeks before i go to college and while i have a nice amount of money saved up, i'd like to pad it. i'm trying to think of something i can do for friends/neighbors/people around me for real cheap
any ideas? i've thought of selling prepared meals for like $5.

>>255487
draw furry porn

even if you are a mediocre artist they will pay you to draw their big titted fox dickgirl fucking Sonic the Hedgehog.

If you are a decent artist you can make hundreds per commission.

A good artist with skill, thousands.

>>261628
lolno
commissions are very dependent on two things:
1. commissioner-artist relationship
2. the price and quality of the final piece
[picture related] cost me about $27, and I think it's a bit overpriced, but I had the money to blow and the guy I was commissioning could use the money (plus we're long-time friends.) your best bet, if you decide to be a commissioned artist, is to sit down and go "how long will it take me to make a picture on average and how much do i want to get paid an hour" and find a good balancing point between the two. typically you charge more for every character involved and can nickel-and-dime for things like backgrounds
I work as a mediocre 3d artist and I charge $5 for a commission with two characters and it brings me a decent amount of money. pictures only take me 2 hours or so to make on average, and that's when I'm typically playing games or something

>>261644
You're obviously not familiar with furry commissioners.

bamp

It's true. Furry porn makes serious bank.

Do commissions on deviantart for weird niche fetishes.

>>261628
A friend of mine is a furry porn artist who does commissions. So I've seen how that fandom's artists operate, and I can't help but facepalm. Absolutely nobody in that fandom has any business-sense (except the chick who runs "Club Stripes"). No one collaborates, outsources, or has the discipline to follow through with a project. For example, most of those guys still photocopy and staple their porn, they don't have the business sense to outsource the printing to a company like lulu.com (which printed the My Little Pony fan-porn book "Hoof Beats", so they will print porn if you ask them to!). I'm just saying, if anyone went into that fandom with any sense for making money, they could clean up!

>>261502
I'm really interested in this. What are your experiences? How much money can you make?

>>261502
>I think.

And you'd be completely wrong.

>>255487
>ITT: making money and having sustainable income without a 9-5 job

Simple. Go to school and ask your parents for money. Living with them isn't necessary. Girl mode: Find a rich guy to live with.

>>257344
>philosophy major
>has curbed desire
Then you were a good student.

"The world rightly seen is a burning house, and it is that because it's a fragile world, it's made the more fragile because of human greed and avarice and desire, and a way to deal with it is to curb desire if not to suppress it entirely."
-The Lotus Sutra

>>261541
>some hats are worth several hundred dollars.

Go on...

>>256305
TOO TRUE. Cell culture/virus production biotechnologist here. Just left my job that I worked my ass off to get and worked my dick off to excel in. Should have gone into computer science...

- Buy used textbooks from internet for cheap
- Go to college bookstore a few days before semester starts. These places always overcharge, but are full of fools who don't know any better.
- "Hey man I've actually got that book you're about to buy if you want to save a few bucks."
- Be discreet, visit different bookstores if there are several, don't stay in one spot for too long.
- mfw

archive this shit

>>259947
Where do you do this kind of shit?

I work 9 - 5 Monday - Wednesday, what can I do on Thursdays and Fridays to get more dosh

>>261492
I'm not lazy.
Outside, of that, see why I'm not especially keen on selling drugs?
I couldn't give a shit about stereotypes, it has more to do with racial profiling, and being more likely to be caught/getting the book thrown at me simply because I'm black.

>>262049
>computer science
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

whats so laughable about computer science? please enlighten me

>>262182

Not him, but if you look couple of replies back, you'll see the probable reason for laughter.

>>261417
different people put their house numbers on different spots OF the house. it's easier to look at the curb than the front of the house if you only have 10 seconds to scan per home.

>>260518
>>260517
>>260514


I like this guy

bomping

My grandpa's an old man, so I use his tractor to work the country since I was 14. His friends are also old and they pay me. They also give me a complete cow for christmas.
Life's good.

>>257283
Art isn't a perfectly fine degree as long you're in a field that calls for a BFA or something similar, such as graphic design.

Hey this is a useful thread. Can we get enough people to vote to archive it?

>>255671
Would you mind me asking what a CC is?

>>263859
I think that's supposed to be Community College/Junior College

you can suck my dick for $10

I believe that "Manswers" researched a couple interesting means of income.

Panhandling, being a beggar, could earn up to 30 to $40,000/ year depending on your local economy and hours spent.

Donating sperm, if done regularly could theoretically earn a good income also. One potential problem is that most banks want donars to have atleast a Bachelor's degree. (Europe may also pay better than America.)

>>261721
Depends on how much time and effort you are putting into it. Just like with everything self-taught.

daily bump
>>263970
yeah I wanted to bank sperm, but there are a lot of requirements
>certain height/weight
>have to hve good job and/or be going to a good university
>no "bad" family history
>have to bank often
>can't fap (not really an issue for an adult)
If you can bank, it's a nice way to get paid though

>>261721

In order to make any kind of sustainable money playing online poker you have to:
a) be very good
b) play 100000s of hands

Or just be lucky of course.
That's the thing, variance in online poker is huge compared to the skill advantage you'll be trying to build, so it's not really a feasible way for most people to make money. A lot that do are people who've just lucked out in the short term.

is etrade any good? how much could I be making if I start with 2,000? is it realistic that I could double it in a year?

>>258895
I may actually combine this idea with something else. I wonder how often one should add an entry, though.

>50-250k views per day
Might as well as become your own news website then.

You want EASY big money? My bro has been a truck driver for years.

>Work shitty job
>Save up enough to buy your own rig
>Contract for companies, they'll pay you more because they don't worry about benefits
>Money money monneeyyyyyyyyyyy

Seriously. That's the backup plan for if every other thing doesn't work. It's easy and fucking good money. You won't be home much, but you could make $150k+ doing that stuff a year. Look into it OP, I wouldn't tell you wrong.

I work 2 jobs. 1 full time, 1 part time. I make about 590 a week. My first job is at a warehouse putting dvd's in cases (it's a tempjob so I'm not really hired by the factory yet, but I will be hired with them in a week and make 12.50 an hour instead of 7.25). And my other one is a telemarketer position asking for donations to a firefighting department. I make like $9.50 an hour plus commission. So on a very good week, all together, I could make somewhere around 750 (which I have before off of commission). I know 9-5 sucks, but I love having job security and money saved.

>>264451

I'm the guy that swing trades.

I have not used e trade so I'm not sure. If you only have 2k then finding a broker with low commissions, fast data, and fast executions is what you want to look for.

You can double 2k in a year, not likely since you're a beginner.

>>264557
So what do I do to get into it? I cant watch the stock market all day

I vote for archive! this is an amazing thread with lots of ideas and info! This is the reason i love 4chan

>Build CnC machine
>Rent it out for use at small businesses for prototyping/production and to highschool shops students
>Offer small run production services to neighbourhood as well as custom cabinet work

Makes me about $2200 a month with the 2 machines I have (one that is portable and one that stays in my garage). Planning on getting a CO2 laser as well sometime. I also do plastic casting services, which gets me another $500 or so a month.

>>264559
Not the same swing trader, but what do you expect? You don't have 6.5 hours to watch the market? How much time are you willing to put in?

>>264651
>>Build CnC machine
what is that?

>>264636
post the link to archive the thread so we don't have to search for it, it'll be easier on everyone.

Does anyone know how/if it's safe to bullshit guru.com?>>259484
That site asks for a shit-ton of information, and frankly I don't like giving that much away, especially since I use a psuedonym.
>home address
>phone number
>DOB
Shit man, not wanting to give info away is part of the reason I don't have a regular job.

>>265139
no money, no job, presumably no credit, and you're worried about giving away your info? It's not like anyone can do anything to you, besides maybe come to your house and fondle your butthole or something, but that's a story for another day.

There's an abundance of paranoid people on /diy/ it's very odd -- reminds me of a guy in another thread who didn't want to operate power tools because he had "seen a guy get injured by a chainsaw one time."

Fearful people do not get far in life, especially not when you're trying to break free from the grind of the 9-5 lifestyle and become your own boss. It takes dedication, it takes hard work, and above all it takes a willingness to risk it all. You might spend countless hours and capital funds and end up with nothing of substance, but that's the only way you're going to have a shot in the dog-eat-dog world.

There's no such thing as "go try this strategy and you will be guaranteed to make this much money" unless you're willing to take the 9-5 with a pre-established wage.

>>260514
Question for you (or any with experience) in regards to ebay/amazon sales

How do you handle the shipping aspect of it? I mean do you insure your packages, or just send with basic post? Do you have sign on delivery for more expensive items? Tracking?

How much care do you take in the actual packaging of your items? Bubble-wrap and heavy-duty envelopes? Or do you keep it as cheap as possible?

I don't have a lot of experience with online sales and this is one aspect that has always seemed to be a hang-up for me.

Also do you have to deal with customers charge-backing at all, or claiming they did not receive merchandise? If so, is it common or fairly rare? Or do you insure/sign-on-delivery everything as to avoid this?

Any info appreciated

>>265262
>How do you handle the shipping aspect of it? I mean do you insure your packages, or just send with basic post? Do you have sign on delivery for more expensive items? Tracking?
Insurance is based on whether or not the customer chose it- there's an option they can select during their checkout and the seller is notified. If the site doesn't automatically give the customer this option, make sure that they know to send you a note with their preference. Tracking numbers are automatically assigned when the labels are printed through Paypal's Multi-Order shipping. Signing on delivery, like insurance, is also optional.

>How much care do you take in the actual packaging of your items? Bubble-wrap and heavy-duty envelopes? Or do you keep it as cheap as possible?
Thick envelopes with a generic box inside for small First Class items, plain cardboard boxes for larger ones, and Flat Rate Boxes/Envelopes for Priority/Express. Bubble wrap is reserved for expensive, insured, or international items.

>Also do you have to deal with customers charge-backing at all, or claiming they did not receive merchandise? If so, is it common or fairly rare? Or do you insure/sign-on-delivery everything as to avoid this?
If the customer is claiming that an entire order never arrived, we can use the tracking number to determine if they're lying or not. If they say that an item was missing in a large order, we assume that they're telling the truth and send a replacement. These situations are rare, so if it is some sort of scam it isn't much of a loss. As mentioned above, insurance and signing are optional.

Not sustainable income, but i make around 300-400 Euros each month by writing articles for an online publication. Considering this is additional income (also have an 8-5 job) it's not too bad. Sometimes I also participate in "user cloud testing" when I'm bored. Like testing an electronic device for measuring blood sugar, then uploading the results to an online platform and play around while documenting all of it. Said test took me around 90 minutes and earned me 30 euros, but that was an exceptional good payment (hence why I participated).

My brother went to school for marine transportation.
he works 28days on - 20 days off. all year on an oil rig off the coast of Rio. starting salary is avg 79k/yr our of college with 99% job placement.
and hes been out for about 5 years and makes about 170k/yr and only works 7 months...thats not really a 9-5
oh and he said its easy as fuck

>>265366
Please, elaborate. Investigating that as a career lead me to considering the Navy, but I'd love to hear more about that -- what you know anyway, I understand it's your brother.

>>265357
what site do you use for the articles?
>>265366
If I wasn't a transsexual, I might do this.
>>265260
>no money, no job, presumably no credit, and you're worried about giving away your info?
There a little more to it than that, but I don't like using my "legit" identity for much of anything, and since I usually get gigs and do online stuff as a certain person, I'd like to remain consistent.
Also, it's just awkward using my real name because I'm very private and super secretive.

>>265262
>I'm
>>260514

I buy plain bubble mailers (several different sizes) in very large batches for most of everything. If it won't fit in a mailer, I use an empty cardboard box I snatched from the local liquor store.

>How do you handle the shipping aspect of it? I mean do you insure your packages, or just send with basic post? Do you have sign on delivery for more expensive items? Tracking?
I go cheapest shipping possible usually. No tracking, no insurance, and no delivery confirmation unless it's over $100.

>How much care do you take in the actual packaging of your items? Bubble-wrap and heavy-duty envelopes? Or do you keep it as cheap as possible?
I buy plain bubble mailers (several different sizes) in very large batches for most of everything. If it won't fit in a mailer, I use an empty cardboard box I snatched from the local liquor store. I've never had any complaints.

>Also do you have to deal with customers charge-backing at all, or claiming they did not receive merchandise? If so, is it common or fairly rare? Or do you insure/sign-on-delivery everything as to avoid this?
I've never had a problem with sketchy customers. I have had items get damaged during delivery, so the customer sent it back and I refunded it.

>>265262
>I'm
>>260514

>How do you handle the shipping aspect of it? I mean do you insure your packages, or just send with basic post? Do you have sign on delivery for more expensive items? Tracking?
I go cheapest shipping possible, usually. USPS only. No expedited, no tracking, no insurance, and no delivery confirmation unless it's over a high price item.

>How much care do you take in the actual packaging of your items? Bubble-wrap and heavy-duty envelopes? Or do you keep it as cheap as possible?
I buy plain bubble mailers (several different sizes) in very large batches for most of everything. If it won't fit in a mailer, I use an empty cardboard box I snatched from the local liquor store and fill it with whatever shit I can get my hands on. I've never had any complaints.

>Also do you have to deal with customers charge-backing at all, or claiming they did not receive merchandise? If so, is it common or fairly rare? Or do you insure/sign-on-delivery everything as to avoid this?
I've never had a problem with sketchy customers. I have had items get damaged during delivery, so the customer sent it back and I refunded it or I derped, and forgot part of the order so I just shipped it separately.

>>262321
Also, thanks. That was my first time explaining how I do things.

What's a job I can do without dealing with people on a frequent basis? The minimal sort of thing. It can be back-breaking labor (preferably not "back-breaking" but something with lots of hard work and effort is nice).

I just got a job. Maintenance tech at an apartment complex. I was doing simple stuff at first: picking up the grounds, painting. Actually, that was about it.

But they lied to me about when I could get an apartment and were having me set to move in immediately. I started to get things together. Then they told me I had a probationary period of 90 days. And seemed to demote me to picking up all of the grounds by myself which would take two hours. And only delivering letters. And doing small things. And said I wasn't working fast enough. And that I shouldn't talk to my manager. Or ask her questions. Or be in the office at all.

And then they told me to clean out the shed which I had no knowledge of. For some reason, all of this made me extremely angry, especially the lying about my potential apartment. So I quit, despite liking the work that I was doing previously. I loved the hard work and painting and moving around.

What can I do that allows me to be alone for the most part like when I was by myself, painting the apartments?

>>265675
... Get a job as a painter?

>>258280
>2012
>not living in the fargo-moorhead area
Seriously, man. Shit's cheap here.

>>265696
>Getting put through a wood chipper

Why would you risk it, man?

>>265700
The movie was filmed in Minnesota, FFS.

>>265703
I apologize. I couldn't help it.

>>265696
>2012
>Not living in Bemidji
Cheap as FUCK. Went to school there. Cost me 300$ a month for all expenses.

>>265696
>>265771
I like So.Cal (lived here my whole live), and since I'd like to do somethings in the entertainment industry, it's best I stay here.
I'd go to New York or New England, but that's probably worse, plus, it's cold.

>>255487
>>>/cgl/6109392
>Hi /cgl/. I wanna ask you something.
>This is gonna be a long read but bear with it.

>I''ve been a webcam model for about 3 months.
>For those of you who don't know what the fuck that is. >Basically you log into the webcam site, and perverted motherfuckers trow money at you per minute (from 2 to 10 dollars per minute) to see and hear you while they chat with you and jerk off. (I know, it's crazy stupid)
>Then the site gives you around 30-50% of what you made.
>I make about $1,600 per month "working" 3-4 hours a day 5 days a week (sitting in front of the camera in my room smiling, jerking off and flexing and talking like a full homo when someone enters). That is normal, women make waaay more than men. It is not much but since the country I live in has a shitty shitty currency and low cost of living the money is so good it's ridiculous and it's cool because you get paid with payoneer's prepaid debit card so you can get paid wherever you are as long as there's an ATM nearby.

>The site I "work" in is www.livejasmin.com (it's the biggest freaking porn site on earth, true story) and it's in several languages, but not in japanese.
>Most of the customers are english speakers from the US and Europe.

>>>/cgl/6109447
>>>/cgl/6109480

>>265357
>>265357
>Not sustainable income, but i make around 300-400 Euros each month by writing articles for an online publication.
Is it a website anyone can use, or it's an online magazine/something unique to you?

>>265357
>>265357
>>265357
>Not sustainable income, but i make around 300-400 Euros each month by writing articles for an online publication.
Is it a website anyone can use, or it's an online magazine/something unique to you

Use your iphone and instagram to start your own photography business.

>>260518
You guy. I like your style.

i make all my money by making furniture. I buy expensive wood and make beds, chairs, tables and so on.. I copy well known, high end furniture brands or do whatever the people ask

I play poker online and live. I will be happy to answer questions tomorrow, it is too late. But to get it started, poker is not luck. The only people who say it takes luck say that to justify their losing.
I started playing online. I improved my skill on the low stakes. After a few months I was dominating the tables, playing 3 games at once. I usually grind PLO, or NL Hold'em. I later worked up my nerves to try live poker in a casino. The first day I was there I sat at a medium-high stakes NL table wearing a dark hoody and sunglasses. Everyone else was dressed in suites and ties, most were local business men having fun. They looked at me like I was some broke collegetalented /diy/erwho didn't have a clue what he was doing. First hand I got pocket Ks, raised it 3 BBs to test the waters. Half of the guys called, the rest folded. I knew I had the best hand and went for value bets.I had everyone right up to the river, everyone folded but one guy, he went all in. I looked at him for a second and knew he was bluffing. I called him (only 1/2 my stack). The guy had 7 and a pair of deuces. 7 fucking deuce unsuited, the worst possible hand in poker.

Sorry for spelling mistakes / grammar, I am fucking tired.

>>266936
Where do you learn to play poker?
What learning materials are good, which are bad?
What sort of things should one avoid?
What websites do you use?
What are the best/worst sites?
What are the difference between playing online and in person?
How should you work your way up, in regard to sites/casinos, and the bets you make?
How do you maximize your playtime?
How do your taxes and IRS shit work?
What's the most you've won? The most you've lost?
What computer specs do you need?
>>266733
Where'd you learn your skills? Self-taught, or schooling?

1. Build website.

2. Get visitors to website.

3. Sell products to visitors.

4. Profit.

>mfw money is direct deposited and once you set this up it is literally possible to make money while you are asleep

>mfw 99% of people will never know how to do this

>>265262
Back when I was selling on ebay, I'd bulk buy padded envelopes from other sellers say 100 at once for a fraction of the cost you'd get them at the shop then I'd upsell the postage costs to make about £1 on each sale.

When I first got started I spent about a year selling ripped anime dvds, I made enough to live on for that year.

Then they cracked down on it.

les bump

>>265262
If you're selling on eBay, shipping rates are very important to know when listing. Get a reliable scale, know your prices, and have the supplies stocked. eBay has a lot of streamlined shipping features (tracking, label printing, address verification) that make it easy.

Side note: One common trick is to use Priority Mail Flat Rate Envelopes and put Small Flat Rate Boxes in them to add extra padding. Find your local alternative weekly/free newspaper and use that for the rest of the space. Seal it, slap your eBay formatted label on there, and you're good to go. Bubble wrap is fairly expensive, so make sure you calculate how much you're using and be stingy on small sales.

The general rule is that 1 out of 20 customers on eBay will give you a problem. People open cases or write negative feedback at the drop of a hat. I've seen 3000+ feedback accounts taken down for what happened in two transactions (one justified, the other not so much). Delivery confirmation (free with First Class) stops a lot of would-be scammers. Giving partial refunds is another tactic to employ with irate customers (it happens, even if it's not your fault).

Only insure if it's fragile and/or expensive.
Paypal and eBay almost always side with the buyer in disputes, so you have to be careful not to get them involved unless you're sure the customer is wrong/scamming and you have some proof.

\
Question for you (or any with experience) in regards to ebay/amazon sales

How do you handle the shipping aspect of it? I mean do you insure your packages, or just send with basic post? Do you have sign on delivery for more expensive items? Tracking?

>>257136
you sound like a dumbass
and what kind of car do you need 15k to start a lease for?...

>>265377
oooo
a tranny with secrets. go on

I like a lot of the suggestions here and they seem great, the problem is they are not very viable where I live.

The closest town is a medium college town, however it is filled with Seventh Day Adventists who are very much into recycling, being natural and crafts. That means a lot of these things aren't viable, sadly.

Does anyone have any specific suggestions for a town like this?

>>269475

see
>>262095

>>268542
A fucking diesel engine that can hold those big ass trailers did you even read the post?

Anyone here with experience making money through physical Auctions, such as Police Recovery Auctions or just generic public auctions?

Is there much money to be made buying at auctions and then reselling through other avenues (ebay, craigslist, newspaper, etc) or are the margins generally low? Looking at some of my local auction history it looks like things tend to sell for about 20-50% of retail value, so there's quite a savings, but that's just based on a quick look - I don't know if that's typical, and of course resale on my end would also be discounted compared to retail value so I don't know what kind of margin that leaves.

If anyone has hands-on experience with this I'd love to hear about it. I thought I'd seen a post similar to this one in the past about someone who made a consistent salary off buying/reselling at swap meets.

How do bloggers get heaps of readers? Everything I could think to write about already has thousands of blogs on the same topics.
I see some very mediocre artists get popular and offer expensive commissions too. How the hell does one become popular online when you're not particularly talented?

>>270564

Good networking

>>270564
The idea with blog revenue (and SEOs on wordpress sites) has to do with finding specialized niches.

Remember you only need a small piece of the pie to make money. The internet's a pretty big place, if you can get 0.0000001% of the users to look at your stuff, you're going to profit.

You're right in saying that almost every topic is saturated, but you need to find niches.

Don't think
>write blog on movies
think
>write blog on horror movies
and deeper still
>write blog on horror movies about zombies
and deeper still
>write blog on korean horror movies about zombies
and deeper still
>write blog on korean horror movies about zombies by a specific director or that stars a specific actor

So you dig deeper and deeper in a topic until you find something that isn't saturated, and since there are literally billions of internet users, all you need is a tiny fraction of them to be interested in your topic and you have the potential to make money.

>tfw you're an aspiring artist

I have made about $700 since February and stand to make at least $400 more once I finish this commissioned piece. Not really raking in the stacks but I feel like it's a nice start.

I wait tables to pay my bills and spend my days off painting. I'm slowly upping my discipline so that I paint more hours instead of wasting time on websites like this. For just getting my Bachelors degree I've received some good feedback about my work. I sort of plan on divine intervention saving me from wasting away in obscurity but we'll see what happens. Either way, can't sell anything if I don't take the time to make anything so that's where my next couple of years are going.

bump

Its sad the lack of imagination some of you have out there...
the truth is if you have a internet connection you can easily make money off of ebay or a similar site where you list a good and someone buys it.
The great thing about eCommerce is that the good doesn't even need to be any good as long as the profit margins there for both the consumer and the seller a sale will be made.

when I was still in highschool I would sell mystery boxes on ebay for 10 bucks including shipping, i would spend 3 bucks on 1 light weight item at a thrift store or swap meet or garage sale, 1 dollar for some weird old candy and the rest i would fill with random shit that would accumulate from said yard sales or just shit i had in my drawers i didnt want anymore. the items were strange retro and often cheep and lightweight,

I would usualy turn a 5 buck average profit from them and if I got up early enough to go to yard sales I could make even more, with the ability to haggle can turn any item into a .25 cent bargain bin buy.

I dont do this anymore because I graduated and got a real paying job but I do recommend at least analyzing your situation and resources at hand and brainstorm some money making schemes.

its easier than you would think

I work on a oil rig
>2 weeks on, 4 weeks off
>$100k a year
>All I do at work is drink coffee and smoke cigarettes

>an idea

i've purged the odd computer of viruses for friends and friends of friends and such and they've offered me money in thanks.
i turned it down because i'm chill like that (read: stupid) but it gets you to thinking. the average everyday person doesn't realise how easy that shit actually is.

you could start up a business specifically for virus repair and charge people like 5-10 bucks a go, and still be seen as cheaper than the average pc tech shop

/fit/ here.
1)Workout life a mofo, get nice and ripped.
2)Go on craigslist and post a pic of your body in ad saying you'll do whatever for money
3)???
4) Profit!

Seriously, some guys will pay big money just to feel muscles or cuddle with a /fit/ guy, and they'll be scared of you so they wont push for anything more: You're in control.

>>271104
you forgot to say no homo

but everyone on 4chan knows all /fit/ fags are yes homo

>>259490
This can be a good source of somewhat passive income which can supplement any job you have already.

Although its very dependant on how many views you get per month, which has been an issue with many people because of the video search algorithm. My view amount used to be constantly growing until YouTube tweaked their algorithm and homepage layouts, now it's down by about 75%.

This wouldn't be a problem if your already well known on YouTube, if you have a small channel (like me sadly) its another story.

>>271097
how do i get a job at an oil rig

and where do i have to move

So what's the best online poker site?
Even if I lose a few bucks, I need to take a break from Diablo sometime

>>271446
is online poker even legal in the us or do they get around the law somehow?

>>271466
pretty sure it's legal. not 100% certain.

>>271471
It's not legal. Us can't gamble real money online anymore.

>>271501
When did that happen?

>>271506
Recently. The feds slapped the websites with their logos and messages.

Check them out.

>>261628
>>261628
I'm fairly good at drawing any idea where to start?

>>271516
Make a deviant art account, advertise yourself on other furry's posts, post example art on DA, find furry forums and get involved.

>>271104

>>271446
Just make an account at any of the top US online sportsbooks. They all have their own poker client.

Bovada has slow payouts, but if you're willing to deal with that, it's probably your best bet in terms of making money. There's a lot of fish on tilt there so if you play smart you can make money at the low stakes tables.Bovada is pretty popular so you can always find a game or tournament that suits you at any time of day.

>>271717
By "top US online sportsbooks" I meant "online sportsbooks that accept US clients". Bovada is good for online poker, 5Dimes and Bookmaker are where you want to sign up if you want better/more flexible lines on sports betting.

>>271064
I'd like to go to yard sales more often, but I lack a car, and that tends to preclude most things :/

>>271097
>>271097
>>271097
How to cop?
Tell me how pls

Musician. I play on the street while I get my masters.

Playing on the street is good money, so long as you're good and know where to play. I've been doing it since I was a junior in high school. On a normal day which includes about 8-10 different locales around the city, I usually make $200 or so. I've made as much as $500 in a day. I play around 3 days a week when I don't have classes, so that comes out to about $45k a year. Allows for a modest lifestyle when grad school is accounted for. I have a decent apartment that my parents mostly pay for, and I end up paying around $600 for living expenses per month (food, bills, and what little rent i actually pay)

As nice as it is to make so much in one sitting, it requires a lot of energy. It's definitely difficult and a lot of hours (upwards of 12 hours of playing from morning to evening), and it's not something I want to do forever, or even within a year or two. My ultimate goal is to join a professional symphony orchestra. I'm planning on joining the Marines or Navy once I get my degree and playing in one of their many military bands.

SEO blogfag here, wow I cant believe this thread is still around, diy is really slow, i like it.

My blogs have been getting steady visitors, about 20-100k combined traffic for all of them except one. Im kinda slacking on two of them right now since im focusing hard on development of a website which will possibly rake in some serious cash but im struggling to find a graphics artist and staff members since part if the website is going to provide a service ( paid of course )
Been looking into mobile applications for iphone/android and im starting to think the best way to make cash with them is learning how to program and make them yourself compared to hiring a company and doing it.. Ive looked into outsourcing (china & india) but they still want a bit of $$. Too risky, the app market is really big, and expanding quickly i'd really need to figure out a GREAT game/app in order for me to go in that direction. Hell maybe when my new website is running and opened it could be a possibility, wouldnt mind churning out a couple games.

Someone brought up online poker..Fuck playing it, ive found a company which sells & hosts the software for online poker and casinos. They take care of everything all you do is advertise it and find members and theyll wire you the money..yes its illegal in the u.s.a. But its not in many other countries! Its a grey area for everyone involved but I know for a fact its quick cash ( met a guy who owned an online casino hosted in the bahamas, bought a mercedes benz w. cash)

Anyways, im looking for some partners business, ideas, development wise basically internet money making brainstorming sessions followed by execution of plans..ive got a bunch of undeveloped urls, webspace, and most importantly TIME (broken leg from wakeboarding) must have skype & some experience with web development/business/graphics..
Email is in email -_-

>>272325
How old are you and what do you play?

I'm also thinking about going to university to become a professional musician and (hopefully) get into an orchestra, but I'm kind of lost on how to get my footing with it since I graduated from high school a couple years ago and have only been playing with a few public concert bands.

> Buy domain name (because you want to look legit)
> Set up a quick website
> Put pricing info, contact info, etc
> Learn how to host an SSH server, it's not hard
> Set up SSH, from there it is easy
> Host from home (if you have a good internet plan and some spare drives), or resell / rent

Find a niche if you can. Web space is NOT cheap usually, so you can make pretty sweet cash off it. Hosting for 1TB will usually cost at least $15 a month - if you go with a service like Dropbox then it is way more. My mate resold server space to a small art community, he would host images at a dollar or so a pop - pretty cheap right? But that is crazy overpriced, and he was upselling for 20 times the price.

Server up time is super important, and same with network bandwidth, I hope you have a good internet plan.

The Marines and Navy require absolutely 0 degrees to play in their "many bands". Their premier bands (~1 per service) are tougher to get into than your average Tier I orchestra, people leave the Phil. to go into them.

The field bands you can get into out of high school, no matter what degrees you have you start as E-1 and are E-5 in ~ 36 months. There is no OCS into Band-ship unless you win one of the like TWO band officer auditions that are external, and competed with by college wind band and high school directors with like 15-20 years of teaching experience. But you better hurry up, I think the Marines just cut down to 4 bands not including the PO and DC.

Oh and you play the national anthem 367 times a year. And by that I mean there is hardly any diversity in the style or type of music that is played. And you spend a lot of time in rotation pushing papers and pulling guard duty... not that there's anything wrong with that.

If you want to get into a professional symphony you need to be practicing like it's your job, at least 6 hours a day, with private lessons. You need to be doing excerpts and excerpts and excerpts, and score study. If you are a winds player your journey is 10000x more difficult, because there is usually 1 slot and hundreds if not thousands of applicants, usually doctors with 03720937497 years of experience. You think your Orchestra flute player is some ditzy 18 year old chick? No its some 40-50 year old man with like 10 degrees and he can play five octaves out his ears. You gotta be uber boss, even for smaller symphonies, and then you don't get paid.

>>257485
>asked what would keep me coming back to subway
There's a pretty obvious answer to that, their sandwiches.

24 year old here

>no debt.....
>but no credit history
>I've only done temp work at fedex
>never went to college
>live with the parents

this is all my fault

I do surveys, contests, and use sites like freebie shark

I am lazy and I know it.

I want to be rich but I have no desire to go out and make a large income.

>>272413
I feel totally fucked over with wanting to become a professional musician.

>can't get recommendation letters for college from my high school music teacher(s) because none of them are still at the school
>wound up getting some gigs in pit bands for musicals in the region after high school but the music director I worked under also moved away
>haven't gotten called since because the current director uses the same musicians or recordings
>tutor hasn't been around in the area because family issues
>have limited knowledge of music besides history information and performing
>play two woodwind instruments, only own one

I was interested in trying to get into Hartt at the University of Hartford but at this point I'm probably going to get stuck going to Uconn, if I can even still get in there after all of this...

>>272416

>>272416
The purpose of getting rich is to live comfortably, if I can't live like that while getting rich then I don't see a point. I just want a peaceful life :3

>>272421
Can't you just go on youtube or something? Is formal recognition and training that important in music?

>>272325
tfw you play piano
>street piano
I'm guessing you play guitar or a horn, right?

How do you pick a street/corner/whatever?
I'm guessing you go somewhere downtown ?

sell drugs to highschool kids

>>272413
You still have to try out when you try to join the Navy bands. If you suck, they won't let you play and they'll give you some other job.

I got out a couple of years ago and I don't play instruments, but last I knew the band was pretty hard to get into.

Amazon question! I just posted like 20 games, they all were active, and now 2 of them say Inactive-Out of Stock. I would assume this would mean they were bought, but I have no "Orders" or haven't received any emails. Anyone know about this?