/diy/ - Do It Yourself

That is fucking awesome

That is pretty clever, but the small size seems like it would be hard to use. If it were me, I'd cover the numpad and use 2648. More reasonable deadzone and stick size.

How would you go with the inversion side of things?

surely you wouldn't want to change the settings on every game to make down up, and up down?

Then changing it back when you don't want the joy stick.

>>258162
Inversion? Left is left, down is down. I'm not seeing what you're seeing.

>>258141
These things will give you a bad time because they can't transform the analog movement of the stick into a proper digital one. You can either get a full press into one direction or none. So you can't start tapping a key to make a fine movement. I had one of those like 13 years ago and barely used it.

>>258168
To make a useable one you would need to add a mechanical element which can do some kind of PWM on the key. So when the stick is halfway into one direction the motor-thingie tapps the key with a certain frequency where it is 50% of the time pressed down.

>Is it actually doable?

Sure

>that could be as good as an actual arcade stick?

Oh god no.

>>258168
>>258172
Are you guys retarded? Fighting game style arcade sticks are just a set of four microswitches that get pushed by the other end of the stick.

They're completely binary. There's no 50% on an arcade stick.

>>258190
and they suck.

>>258195
Arcade sticks are ideal for games requiring digital input. Obviously they're no good for flight-sims etc, but that's not what they are designed for.

I use a Seimitsu LS-32 stick with PS-14-KN buttons. It's very good.

>>258141
uhhhhh,,,,,,,, a Logitech Attack 3 joystick is $15 at Tigerdirect

>>258172
I built one one for descent. Worked great but I had to modify a keyboard electronically.

>>258200
God damn, motherfucking, buyfag.

>>258209
There are two kinds of people who frequent this board: people who are interested in undertaking projects at home for hobby purposes, and bored teens on summer vacation. The former understand that many things are cheaper and better in their off-the-shelf form, and can be used in the furtherance of other projects. They know that reinventing the wheel is a foolish endeavor when you could go build a race car with the same effort. The latter make shitty posts like "god damn, motherfucking, buyfags" when told that their idea is stupid, or that /diy/ isn't for cool drug recipes, or that no one wants to tell them where to start with woodworking for the thirtieth time this week, before hopping back on Xbox Live and planning how best to continue their ruination of this website.

>>258215
Hear, hear.

I build shit all the time, but if something I want is under $20 and I wouldn't ever be able to out do it for that cost, then I just buy it.

Bump, this shit is cool. Also in this case the point is to have a joystick for RPGs and online games and dungeon crawlers where WASD is just for walking about and the mouse is for precise direction. This would be great for me because I fucking hate pressing W for long periods of time because it gets oily, like everything I touch (shower twice a day, does no good). This would really help because of the small surface area; would be less annoying. Wouldn't want a full on joystick to play WoW or something. That would be better suited to a sim.

>>258215
Five star fucking post

>>258209
light manufacturing is the most expensive type of small business to start.

the stuff to make OP's keyboard joystick by injection-molding would probably cost you at least $4K-$5K USD. And that would be with Chinese equipment and a lot of half-assed solutions along the way.

If you can get to one of the plastic-extruding machines (or build one for a few hundred bucks) you could try that I suppose. I dunno how strong that stuff is tho'.

.....or, a Logitech Attack 3 joystick is $15 at Tigerdirect

>>258215
>>258230
>>258379
GTFO /diy/, you don't belong here.

DIY doesn't always mean doing it because it is cheaper or better.

>>258215
It is turds like you that are giving /diy/ a bad name now. You constantly recommend buying shit, tell people they can't possibly do something, think that every DIY project will result in a fatality, and make utterly petty excuses to recommend "just buy it", and give snide remarks recommending lmgtfy.com.

>no one wants to tell them where to start with woodworking for the thirtieth time this week

I do. I want to tell them. Do you know why? Because I want to encourage as many people as I can to learn and educate themselves. I want them to be creative. I want them to think. Showing and telling them how to do something to meet this end is one of the greatest things I can do for someone on 4chan. I want to enrich their lives in a way they perhaps couldn't get without /diy/.

It would be easier to purchase a cheap arcade stick, AVR, soldering iron, and spare parts to make a standalone joystick that emulates a keyboard than to make what's pictured in your picture, imo.

Although that's because I only have experience with electronics and not mechanical things.

>>258490
Clearly you didn't bother to completely read >>258215.
Encouraging people is great. Encouraging them to work on something that will absorb their entire lives, even though the technology exists, is proven and has gone through centuries of improvements is pointless. Why not, instead of wasting a persons life time reinventing technology that already exists encourage them to do something productive, like perhaps building a reprap and use it to do rapid prototyping, or courses of study or books that will lead them to the understanding they will need to conquer and be the next group of people to improve what they are interested in.

>>258490
Hey look, it's one of those 'dumb people' I've heard so many rumors about on /g/

>>258500
>>258502
I see the point flew right over you heads.

>>258500
>reinvent the wheel

Ah the age old term of compete directed towards anything DIY. Allow me to direct you to the board rules:

http://www.4chan.org/rules#diy

Particularly rule 1:

>MAKERS GONNA MAKE!

>>258490
I don't even think you read the whole thread, let alone >>258215 .
It was established that OPs project probably wouldn't work (>>258179, >>258168)
That's the only reason that an existing product was suggested, so that OP could still have something.

>>258215

You're my hero, anon. You can use my butt if you want to. It's just fucking fair.

Can someone just screencap >>258215 so we can let this thread die? Arguing is for /b/itches.

>>258504
>It was established that OPs project probably wouldn't work

But, it will work. It's actually pretty easy to do.

Simply because it is far beyond the knowledge >>258179 >>258168 and you doesn't mean anyone else, including the OP will have any trouble.

Yes, I read >>258215 and as it turns out he is merely trolling using satire and his own ignorance.

Perhaps you should stop posting now? you are making yourself look pretty foolish.

>>258215
>They know that reinventing the wheel is a foolish endeavor when you could go build a race car with the same effort.

There's a third type.
Those who knowing buying would be better but think that's not really the point. A Foxhole radio, brewing, are just 2 examples.

/diy/ isn't really about efficiency

>>258215
see pic

>>258141
Easily.

The biggest problem you will face is what medium you wish to make it out of. Plastic, wood, metal, etc. Personally, I'd make it out of wood using a Dremel and perhaps a small purpose built lathe (wood stock taped to a drill on one end and touching a stationary nail on the other) to make some of the rounded parts. It'd be 4 springs, some dowel rods, glue, and a whittling knife at the very least. There's not much wood to whittle away either.

You could house it all in some plexiglass which is easy to work with. I'd make the stick longer so to give you more range or movement for your hand to feel more comfortable. The coolest thing is that you can use it on just about any keyboard and there's no electrical stuff you need to do with it. I agree with >>258158

I want a reprap machine to make molds for my foundry (that's not built yet)

>>258516
>my foundry (that's not built yet)

Build it! Well, dig a hole and build a quick one there so you can play around with a hair dryer and some charcoal if you haven't already. Doing something simple like that usually gets you better motivated.

>>258510
Buying better than brewing? You won't get the same product and it could easily be more expensive in the long run. The other is done for the challenge of making something out of scrap.

/diy/ can be about efficiency, but isn't always. If you're going to get into homebrew, do you shape your own bottles? Do you go out and tap rubber trees for the raw materials to turn into tubing? No. You start at the point which gives you the flexibility you want for the price you're willing to pay. If the groundwork and tools for the project isn't what you're interested in then, by all means, buy them. I mean, you guys get hard over the Arduino and I bet not one of you has ever designed, fabbed, and packaged a microcontroller in your garage.

If OP wants a cheap joystick, buying is completely reasonable. If OP wants a gimmicky keyboard mod because they think it's cool, that's also completely reasonable. Anyone here who shits on one approach or the other is probably an aspie who can't cope with the idea that maybe, just maybe, other people's goals and approaches differ from theirs.

>>258522
Need to re-do garage electrical (Currently a mess from the last owner), then drywall and plaster it. Build a workshop table.

While I'm doing this I'm going to be reading through the Gingery books, but I think the foundry will be a trashcan and be a waste oil burner. We'll see if I can build my first refractory good enough to do iron too...

Also fantasies of the first diyer to do oxygen-jet purification of iron and then making my own steel alloys instead of just melting scrap.

Captcha
>rwithost Soldering.

>>258529
Also casting parts for the reprap and milling them on my gingery lathe/mill
hnnngh.

>>258529
>>258531
I was really excited because my local soil is so sandy and fine I wanted to use it.

>fine calcareous sand and fine sandy clay loam
mfw it's would vitrify at low temperatures.

>>258328
None of the faggots who are saying it's pointless to build this have read the quoted post. Or, they have, and are choosing to ignore it. Most computer games this would be used for, WASD is for complete left-right-up-down movement and the mouse is for precise direction. You would look pretty fucking stupid paying Starcraft with a Logitech attack 3 just to me around the map. IMO this would be a really useful device.
And instead of derailing the thread and turning it into a thread about forging (I have no problem with this, just please make another thread or use the existing one), or using it as an opportunity to start an argument between "buyfags" and "bored teens on vacation" like bunch of asswipes, try and help OP answer the question he asked.
Jesus.
And if the ultimate goal of the project isn't cheaper or more efficient than something else you can buy, so what? It's DIY. It's not always solely because doing it yourself is cheaper or better. If you have the money and will never miss it in the long run, why use your own shitty carpentry skills to build a desk when you could have a professional do it, huh? Because it's fun, you fuck, that's why.
I'm not surprised OP didn't return the moment someone starting going on about impracticality and then the $15 joystick was suggested. A $15 joystick that btw goes no way towards getting what OP wanted.

>>258503
Like I said need to reinvent the keyboard joystick.
http://www.instructables.com/id/Keyboard-Joystick/
Here is about the simplest version of it I have ever seen. It's not a difficult project nor does it require a ton of materials. Just a good solid design, my point wasn't that op could or should buy a better one, but that instead of encouraging op to go blindly down a path that's been taken by thousands of people and allowing them to stumble in all the same places every other person who sought to reinvent a simple tool has ever had to take, simple google for build your own keyboard generates the link I posted as the 10th result (first page) so a little bit of research and op could have figured it out all on his own, and I had faith that he would have. Perhaps instead of criticizing all of the people trying to encourage op to do a little research, you could have done such as I just did and just hand them the answers.

Since I was already doing the research.
http://wearcam.org/septambic/
http://wearcam.org/septambic/septambi.htm should be one of the most interesting articles in there if your wanting to build your own joystick.
http://eyetap.org/about/tech/keyers.shtml
There is a lot more out there. Have fun.

difgdshajk

Could you not just do this?
Maybe the thing is supported by the buttons itself?

>>258528
>If OP wants a cheap joystick, buying is completely reasonable.

>equating buying small parts for DIY projects to buying an entire prefabricated device that completely stops you from doing DIY

God damn, motherfucking buyfags and their strawman arguments.

>pic related

>>258686
>Or, they have, and are choosing to ignore it

They have and will more than likely ignore your post too, until they read my post at least. lol They have no concept of how it can be used so they think it can only be used in one way.

>>258707
>link

Nice. I can see it shifting and falling off during use though.

Those people were not encouraging the OP at all. They were saying it can't be done, shouldn't be done, and telling him to buy a joystick. Big difference.

>>258818
Hopefully you caught a look at the rest of the links, >>258718
there's enough there to build any sort of controller your really interested in, and how to build control surfaces, support surfaces and so forth, sure it's laid out in a way that is very different from a joystick, but if you can not see how to apply the technology, you did not have a chance at figuring out how to build a joystick. In general it's just some sort of PIC and a few momentary switches. There are as many kinds of PIC as there are architectures to operate them by, so do some research, this isn't an impossible dream.
Here is a good starting point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIC_microcontroller

>>258510
Good Argument.

Hey 16 year old who keeps swearing and saying "God damn, motherfucking buyfags", Take note of >>258510, would you?

How curious, I'm currently working on adapting one of these:
http://ar.mouser.com/Electromechanical/Switches/Multi-Directional-Switches/_/N-5g2z?P=1z0z2w2&Ns
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for my keyboard (tho I'm making a PIC interfase and powering it by USB, the keyboard also has a USB hub, of course.

>>258818
>God damn, motherfucking trollfags and their ad hominem arguments.

>>258992
>not realizing most of this thread is the same person arguing on both sides.

>>259003
>duplicating something you can go buy in a store
>diy
>mfw
You could at least lie and say "you want the experience of making it yourself" instead of looking like a complete mook.

>>259049
Your statement doesn't even make sense logically.

>>259034
Aw fuck you're right.
Man, these niggers is niggers.
Sink thread sink.

>>258686
I assumed it would be for 2d steam/flash platformers or maybe SNES emulation.

Beat Hazard would be pretty fun with a stick like that for WADS.

>>258818
Where do you draw the line? Is plugging the power cable of your PS3 into it DIY? What if you buy a third party cable? What if you buy a run of wire and a pair of pre-made plugs?

You're the one bitching about buying, so how about you suggest a universal definition of DIY for us to go off of?

>>259070
or how about he doesn't do that and we all ignore him and move on with the thread.

>>259070
Do you even know how to internet?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_it_yourself

Do it yourself (DIY) is a term used to describe building, modifying, or repairing of something without the aid of experts or professionals. The phrase "do it yourself" came into common usage in the 1950s in reference to home improvement projects which people might choose to complete independently.

In recent years, the term DIY has taken on a broader meaning that covers a wide range of skill sets. DIY is associated with the international alternative rock, punk rock, and indie rock music scenes; indymedia networks, pirate radio stations, and the zine community. In this context, DIY is related to the Arts and Crafts movement, in that it offers an alternative to modern consumer culture's emphasis on relying on others to satisfy needs. The abbreviation DIY is also widely used in the military as a way to teach commanders (hence how from this YouTube videoclip) or other types of units to take responsibility, so that they'd be able to do things themselves just as a preparation for their own future.

>>259087
>go to DIY wiki link
>see this image
>fucking lose it
>laugh until I cry

>>259088
>A boy assembling a bookcase

Needs to be changed to a "talented DIYer"

>>258753
No? Anyone?

>>259099
Yes, this can be done. It is similar to the link posted in >>258707 a bit.

>>259099
Yes, this can be done. It is similar to the link posted in >>258707 a bit.

OP here
Ive been watching this thread without posting, cause it took some time for anyone to respond, so I just left and came back.
Well, disregarding the whole discussions and shit, I gave up on it. I made a small project with some of the ideas posted here, but it would never come close of an actual stick.
I like fighting games, but in my country arcades are expensive as fuck, so I wanted a "poverty" approach to it. I decided to buy shitty stick parts and make an arcade stick with a keyboard chip as the base of it, so I wont have to spend money on the rather expensive controller chips (since I only play on PC, it wont make much of a difference for me if the stick is multiplat). I also have some underdeveloped but promising wood cutting skills, and I have plenty of it here in my home, so Ill save money on that, and make the box the way I want.
Thanks for all of the inputs, guys. If I need help to get the buttons to work with the chip or making the box, Ill definitely come back
Sorry to have sparked that little shitstorm

>>259087
> Do it yourself (DIY) is a term used to describe building, modifying, or repairing of something without the aid of experts or professionals

Which begs the question of what is aide... Is getting a soldering iron from a professional soldering iron manufacturer aide? I'm not really trying to make a case for buying a finished product being DIY, but many tards here seem to have a pumpkin with repurposing or salvaging large sections of mass manufactured goods. Those people aren't just DIYers; those people are also hippies.

>>259106
Wow that takes about zero effort. I might try that.

>>259116
You didn't spark a shit storm, this is merely /diy/'s theological side spewing into your thread.

This can only be as good as your keyboard's switches, which are probably garbage.