/diy/ - Do It Yourself

You're too dumb to do so, you're dumb to do so and yourtalented /diy/erwill hate you for it.

>>243158
Say what?

Why would you homeschool him? Why not let him go to regular school where he would get proper teaching, friends and social skills?

>>243161
I forgot that the other word for child wordfilters.
Your child will hate you for it.

If you don't understand the material, neither will your child. I seriously doubt you have mental chops to teach all of that. Besides, regular schooling prepares a child for life in a way that homeschooling can't. You don't want yourtalented /diy/erto be the awkward guy who can't talk to anyone do you?

>>243155

On the curriculum you've laid out, it's looking pretty good. You may want to add some more hands-on topics to even it out, for example, wookworking, or something similar. Also, make sure that there's some time every week when your child can learn about what they choose, and what interests them. A major bonus of one-on-one teaching is the opportunity to tailor lessons to suit the interests and abilities of the student, so make sure not to squander that opportunity.

>>243167
My spouse and I are both college educated. I feel we're capable of teaching the curriculum. We've purchased materials and courses from a company that specializes in home education products, but we were unsatisfied with some of the materials and wanted to put together a list of essential subjects we'd like our children to be proficient in before they obtain their diplomas.


Does anyone see anything I've forgotten or should include?

>>243168
Thanks for the response. I'll make sure not to neglect the points you mentioned.

We're also probably going to enroll them in public schools by 8th or 9th grade, so they can experience high school and some of the group activities and electives they offer.

Teacher here. Op you are a stupid prick. you think you can teach your kids as well as a team of college educated and mentored professionals? You are kidding yourself. You children will be behind the curve in everything, but language arts.

If you insist on ruining your children's lives go ahead and pick up some home schooling curriculum packages from your home state. In America, you can't just make up your curriculum (retard).

Op you are really fucking stupid and I hope this is a troll. You are probably fat as fatass too. Fat people always think they know best (like eating everything in sight).

>>243171
That's too late.
Part of a child's social growth relies on them meeting many people and being open to different situations well before 8th grade.
You cannot garuantee you will teach efficiently and correctly and without proper examination, you will mark your children in a biased way - you won't actually know how well he has learned what you have "taught" them.
They will suffer an emotional growth too. Despite the instinct to protect your children from all mental and physical harm, they need to be put under stress every now and then to experience the world and prepare for it.

Your husband has the right idea, just the wrong way of saying it. You will not provide for correct preparation for a life in society they need, because no amount of books and resources is going to do it.

>>243175
>I hope this is a troll
>You're fat and stupid

0/10

Jesus OP, what's wrong with you?

Homeschooling can work but not very often. You have to accept that you will be deficient in certain areas and contract tuition for those areas. The social networking aspect is critical and you MUST ensure that this happens NOW.

I'm curious as to your motives for homeschooling?

This >>243163
is an important point. Make sure there is regular interaction with a variety of others.

I know some home schooled people and the results differ from family to family.

I diverse range of teachers also helps them learn to accept a wider range of people.

Not long ago I was teaching one of these children in an out of school extra curricular context.
>Put diagram on screen using video projector
>"Can you read that out to us anon" (other children have already been doing this)
>Home schooled child can't read it
>Discover sight impairment
>Tell the parents
>They are surprised
>The child is a 10 years old
Also discover their other child can't swim. That one is 14ish. They are nice people who have good intentions and well behaved children but yeah......

>My spouse and I are both college educated

What careers?

Have you checked to see if your State/Province/Country has a required program(s) for home schoolers?

And OP, I hope you are well prepared to be lumped in with Evangelical Christian whack jobs, because those folks make up a lot of home schooling parents.

Why not just let your child go to regular school and supplement that with additional material at home?

>>243175
In the USA, a home schooled child is normally far smarter than public schooled children. Home schooled children normally do far better on the same tests public school children take. Obviously, there are those that this does not happen with on both sides of the fence as with anything there is always an exception to the rule.

However, the USA school system is abysmal, no exceptions there.

>CONCLUSION: Children taught in a structured home environment may have an academic edge over their peers in traditional schools. This advantage, the authors say, may be due to smaller class sizes, more individualized instruction, or more academic time spent on core subjects, such as reading and writing.

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2011/09/study-of-the-day-home-schooled-children-score-high
er-on-tests/245036/

Study source:
"The Impact of Schooling on Academic Achievement: Evidence From Homeschooled and Traditionally Schooled Students" - Canadian Journal of Behavioural Science

http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/cbs/43/3/195/
>you'd need to purchase the PDF of this study

>>243175
>Teacher here.
>using ad hominems, cursing, extreme negativity bordering on hate, fatalism, finalism, etc

I most certainly would not want you teaching anything at all to my children. In fact, if I knew who you were and where you worked, I'd make it my business to make sure your school and local PTA get a copy of what you wrote. Hopefully, they would dismiss you from teaching.

Op, most of the other posters are right. You should let your child attend a school whether public or private so they can get the social skills necessary for later in life.

Home schooling works best when the parents/child are either constantly moving or cannot maintain a regular schedule (ie. sickness).

However op, if you are hardcore for this I would check with your local school board and see what they have as a retirement for homeschooling. They will give you a minimum curriculum to maintain and iirc there might be tests or achievements the child must pass to prove you are being effective.

Again, if you want your child to grow and prosper dont take away their experiences of going to school.
And yes 8th grade is was too late.
I wouldn't wait past the 3rd or 4th grade to enroll them.

>2012
>learning french
A waste of time. Nobody speaks it.

>>243212
Only one person has come up with proper citations for the statements made ITT and that is >>243207

What citations and evidence do you have for your statements? Anecdotal evidence obviously is not withstanding.

I'm not trying to troll you, I'd just like some hard facts, that is all.

OP, it looks great. Good luck.

Some people here could really use logic.

> public school is awesum, i went to public school
> your to dumb to teach youre child
> send them to public school

see also http://www.hslda.org/laws/

>>243155
i dont know shit about education in USA, but i will check the actuall programs of the schools there, and copy that and try to top that.

The problem with schools is that sometimes classes are too fast, and sometimes are too slow. Waiting for everybody to understand something when you already know it is boring, and they dont let you do anything else, so you are there sitting bored. Or in the other hand you were the only stupid guy who didnt get the subject and they leave you behind and you feel frustrated and start hating the class. Home schooling in my opinion is great if you want to improve your childs learning in the academic point of view. But he will need social skills, so you should put him in some classes or team, like soccer, swimming, or whatever.

>>243207
In the USA, a home schooled child normally has parents with a higher education and/or a penchant for pedophilia.

>>243261
It's amazing that there are so many people against home schooling, but it comes as no surprise that the ones who are have been making comments as ridiculous as this one.

The only compelling argument in this thread is that a child who is homeschooled will miss out on the social interaction public school offers, and even this is mitigated by team sports, group activities, play dates, friends from the neighborhood, etc.

Buncha damned assholes on this board.

I have to agree with the general consensus, home school makes me think the parents are either hippies, holy rollers, or hypochondriacs.

You want a social outcast? You want your fag to grow up possibly missing exposure to something he likes or excels in?

They say 50% of ones identity (personality) comes from how their guardians raised them and the other 50% from social interactions. You are greatly curving that number.

Honestly I think your husband is right and you are to dumb to pull it off. I'm starting to agree with that other hateful bastard. You're either fat and lazy or strung out on adderall. You don't want to work so you want more government help.

YOU ARE ASKING ADVICE FOR RAISING YOUR CHILD ON 4CHAN WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE???

>>243263
No issue with Homeschooling, i see it like firearms and drugs.
Not a problem in the right hands, but some people just have ten thumbs and shit for brains ans as such can handle the responsibility.

When parents fail to even teach the very basics of civilized behavior like respect for people and property, how can they teach anything else?

>>243265
i went to a public school and i was a social outcast anyway. But you have a great point about people asking for advice in 4chan.

>>243265
>doesn't want their child attending a public school
>wants more government help

What am I reading? You're so stupid it makes my scalp itch.

Hey OP,
I am rooting for you. There are organizations and support groups, and I bet if you google for few minutes, you will even find forums. Anyway, I went to college with twins that were homeschooled, and they were beating everybody at pretty much anything, somehow I had most of my classes with them. They went even so far as holding study groups and helping other students. I asked about the same thing everyone bitches about, and that is the social life. They told me that they had soccer matches, gatherings etc. I was surprised, honestly. That was when I lived in Georgia. Now I live in Texas, which apparently is very homeschool friendly. I visited my friend in Houston, and let me tell you, It would take me less than 5 seconds to decide whether I would homeschool my kids. There are webpages, books, programs, and who knows what else to help you deal with any struggles.

I stopped attending public school in 4th grade because at the time we lived in Vicksburg, Mississippi and the elementary school there had issues with racism, bullying, and kids bringing knives to class. I had never enjoyed the classroom environment. My parents lucked out and managed to get all of the textbooks they needed up to 12th grade for free from a publisher that was unsuccessful in donating books to the same school I had stopped attending.
I had no problem studying independently, so all my parents had to do was setup the curriculum with tests and deadlines for me to follow. Much in the same way you have to study on your own for college classes.
The ease of transitioning to community college varies from state to state. In Virginia they simply wouldn't let me start before I turned 18. In Arizona they didn't have that requirement. Most will have their own placement tests which you have to take whether you have a GED or not.

Homeschooled kids tend to fall into three categories.
Those whose parents are overly religious, those who are not, and ones with really lazy parents.
The lazy and the overly religious parents produced the kind of homeschooled kids that everyone complains about. The socially inept and backwards thinking ones that are only reflections of the idiocy of their parents.
>>social skills necessary for later in life.
Why are so many of you confident that you get those exclusively in PUBLIC SCHOOL? Did you do no socializing outside of public school? Did you have no extra curricular activities or hobbies?

A fair amount of my curriculum was supplemented with Boy Scout stuff, so I had that for socializing outside of playing with other kids in the neighborhood.

How well you do at Homeschooling is really not all that different from how your kids would do in Public School. If you're not invested in helping them make the most of it they won't really do well in either situation.

>>243272
Cont'd

When my family moved from Mississippi to Arizona we tried some homeschooling groups. They were all terrible and most of the people involved in them were the overly-religious or overly-sheltering type of homeschooling parents.
The kind that tries to convince you that the book of Genesis can explain the existence of Dinosaurs. So you can try them, but just keep in mind you'll probably have mixed success and I would avoid any that have mandatory dues or classroom sessions.

Most of the kids my age in Public School in Arizona were abusive dickheads. Thankfully I only had to deal with them once a week at Scouting activities and camping trips.

>>243175
i can teach my child more than a teacher, except in music.
i have 3 degrees
Engineering, Mech, Hons
Law and
Medicine

>>243270

You think that homeschooled fucktards dont get some sort of aid? What the fuck rock are you under?

>Research
Pointless to teach before college.

>life science a.k.a. lol evelution!
Don't. I mean, it's really cool to know an undemonstrated, non-quantitative theory made up hundreds of years ago, but I don't see it as school-worthy material. Just mention it in passing during biology class, and leave it at that.

>Geology
That's pointless. Geology is only really useful if you have a college degree in it. Otherwise it's just all like "volcano goes boom, petrol is underground, land floats on magma".

>astronomy
Useless. Only teach it if your child is interested.

>economics
Pointless before college. And even then, it's not an exact science.

>critical thinking
I don't think that's a study subject.

>game theory
Pointless.

>>243282
My husband is a Libertarian and wouldn't accept any aid, even if it were offered.

Are you some kind of nut, or what? Your argument isn't even sound, as public schooling is funded by tax dollars.

>>243284
If I were interested in giving my child a half-assed education I'd just send him to public school.

>>243285
>>243155
>Libertarian
>too dumb
I see his point.

Also
>>243284
0/10

>Spanish
>French

Not particularly useful languages.

I would advise:
Learn chinese characters
Learn to speak mandarin chinese

All of China uses the same written characters, but the spoken dialects are completely different. The future of industry is China.

Other good business hotspot languages include:
Farsi
Arabic
Russian
German

>My spouse and I are both college educated
So you can teach everything just cause you're "college educated"?
You are deluding yourself.

>>243305
>Spanish
>Not particularly useful

You know how I know that you're full of shit?

>>243307
Oh, boy, here come more anti-homeschool assholes..

>>243309
Let me rephrase that.

>Useful for low-paying service industry jobs

Therefor, it is useless to most people.

Sure if you want to have a socially retardedtalented /diy/erand probably a bit behind everyone. Either hire a private teacher to come to your home or send him to a school.

Honestly, you will make thetalented /diy/era complete /b/ tard. You are also no way educated enough to teach all the subjects unless you have a degree in everything there so the childs education is going to be broken.

Don't do it.

>>243309
why would you want to turn someone into a social retard?

>>243155
Send the child to private school instead. Get a job outside the home if you have to, to pay for it. Socialization of your child is at least as important as actual educational content, and (s)he won't get that at home with Mom, and a private school will give a superior education to either public school or what you can do.

>>243314
You seem to be implying that elementary school teachers have degrees in everything they teach.

You don't need a doctorate to teach the basics.

>>243316
The homeschooled people I have met were some of the most laid back, happy, non-socially retarded geniuses I have ever met. Then again, their parents were college professors.

look up a guy call john taylor gatto. He has alot of videos on youtube and is very insight full about public school vs private school and what are some key differences and what to focus on and how to help. Good luck with the home schooling here is one video that i think is really insightful about what to teach no so much subjects but concepts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkT0k57tAHo
its long but good

okay so i'll say this, your child may come out a little socially awkward, you'll need him to be able to make and have friends.. but i agree that public school is nearly full of stupid people these days, who spend all their time obsessing over seriously retarded social shit. so make sure to socialize them and make sure they get plenty of time to play with friends.

teach your child these things you listed, while you learn them as well, and you'll be able to make some headway. encourage them to email and talk to people who really know some of this stuff too, because a lot of science and math people are more than happy to explain something or offer extra help.

and enroll yourselves in classes at coursera and other places like it. steal off this teaching company courses, both the video and audio kind. try to encourage them with projects like driving around and dumpster diving old electronics to take apart and explore. teach them tying knots. and other basic things like that. take a little while to learn about religions around the world too.

there are also blogs out there for just this. and some of them are not bad.

a last word. teach them honestly about drugs and sex and all. if you have ever done drugs, talk to them about it, teaching a child honestly about substances and safe sex is the best way to keep them from doing anything retarded and ODing. and make sure you are always open to talk to them about everything, that way they dont turn into a slacker wastoid in their future because they got ito an experimental phase and didnt have you for guidance

OP, not sure where you're going with the list. That's a good list of things you know, but it's important you have some structure.

Classical education is the best way to homeschool. It will first teach HOW to learn as well as logic, which is so important. If you just start teaching all of those, you're just cramming facts in his head.

>>243344
By all of those, I mean everything you've listed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_education_movement

You can't learn anything without learning logic and reasoning first.

>>243208
Well you know what? if i knew were you lived and worked I would burn down your house and sodomize your children. Then I would forcefeed your fat ass my shit after china buffet.

So many 4chan autists here giving their reasoned opinions on education
>Public school teachers are professionals
>Gotta learn social interaction
1> America has some of the WORST public school teachers in the free world, and I'm not entirely sure >>243351 isn't actually a teacher, showing how good they are. You guys think she could possibly do worse than them?

2>The MONSTERS they have in public schools don't teach social interaction unless you're going to grow up to work in a prison. Remember the 68 year old who can't handle the kids in the bus? Every time your parents told you to just deal with it, they really had forgotten what it was like when the bullies went over the top. A normal human can't deal with being singled out from the group like that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLQLCtbmm10
Throwing them into boyscouts, 4h, sports teams will teach plenty of social interaction and your could won't be obligated to put up with the other psychotic children.

>>243368
Sometimes kids just need to be kicked down a notch so they don't turn into be narcissistic autist cunts.

>>243368
Sometimes kids just need to be kicked down a notch so they don't turn into narcissistic autist cunts.

Holy shit! This threat is filled with trolls and blowhards.

OP, if you have the honest willpower to home school and will dedicate yourself to the craft, then the experience for your kids will be whatever you make it to be, grand or mediocre. Don't bother asking for much more advice here - it's like asking for financial advice at a homeless shelter (first basic principal of rhetoric: consider your audience).

As for your actual question, I think your curriculum is okay, depending on the level and age of your kids. Just depends on the actual material and your skill at teaching.

I'd feasibly add creative writing, a study of various religions, mythology, and combine most of the logic components into the mathematics bucket (I'm a mathematician).

One definite addition: social sciences. You can include the traditional psychology, sociology, etc but I'd throw in instruction on useful social skills. Stuff like conflict resolution, building rapport, communication styles, basics of self confidence in social settings, listening, negotiation, body language, respecting differences, morality, etc.

Good luck.

>>243375
Violence does nothing but promote more violence. You are an abuser and an enabler.

>>243261
[citation needed]

In fact all posts except a couple need [citation needed], every other post ITT is complete anecdotal evidence and is thus completely worthless.

>>243155
Go for it. Google up some programs for it. Nothing is too complex to teach, ust start teaching it. Teaching is also the best way to learn for you and for your child. So, try various ways to get your child to teach what he/she has learned.

Bitch your asking the Internet for advice, "hurr durr I r the intelligent I kan homeachool watch me, ill ask random people I don't know to advise me on bringing up my child, cause thats what atalented /diy/erneeds"

Wise up you dumb bitch, find a fucking hobbie that does not fuck with your child. Sickens me that you are so selfish with your empty, pathetic life that you would ruin a child.

>>243428

*schooling, even

ITT: sorely butthard and emotionally neglected products of public shooling

:Test:

Guys stop being butthurt; pray that OP homechools her kids so that they will be social outcasts in life and unable to propagate her shitty genes.

Even easier online schooling for k-12 obviously you'd act as a supplemental tutor of sorts but it provides all the coursework and materials,check your local school district often times its close to free

OP your kids are going to resent you severely when they're older. It's seriously going to negatively affect your relationship with them.

OP, my siblings and I were home schooled through part of primary school and we have all been accepted to a college preparatory school, made top percentiles in standardized testing (I took the SAT and my brother took the ACT), have graduated, and were both accepted into the programs of our choice for university (the other two are still underclassmen).

The home schooling was definitely an adventure. My father didn't know what on earth to teach us or do, so the first little while was quite slack. My mother, however, found other home school families in the area (there are organizations for this sort of thing) and they really helped. Sometimes the families would share the load, so to speak, and one mother might teach a weekly class to a bunch of the kids.

>>243521

Another thing about home schooling is that you don't have to -know- the material starting out. You need to just teach it. If you don't know French, for instance, but you want yourtalented /diy/erto learn it, then learn French with him. It's as much a learning experience for the parent as it is for the child. To add to this, push the child but don't overdo it. Two of the biggest pluses of home schooling are the one-on-one interaction between the teacher and the student and the ability to change and adapt schedules. You can work at thetalented /diy/ers pace. If he doesn't understand a lesson, you can keep going over it until he fills in all the gaps. Because of this, I would recommend writing a syllabus every year and focusing on correcting deficiencies and challenging his strong points rather than working with a strict schedule.

Also, I'd like to add that, having experienced one of the widest arrays of schooling-types possible (private elementary, public elementary, home school, private college prep school, and even a semester of public high school, and public college), I find that people who were home schooled are generally the most interesting, awesome, quirky people I've met.

Hope this helps somehow.

>>243521

Another thing about home schooling is that you don't have to -know- the material starting out. You need to just teach it. If you don't know French, for instance, but you want your child to learn it, then learn French with him. It's as much a learning experience for the parent as it is for the child. To add to this, push the child but don't overdo it. Two of the biggest pluses of home schooling are the one-on-one interaction between the teacher and the student and the ability to change and adapt schedules. You can work at the child's pace. If he doesn't understand a lesson, you can keep going over it until he fills in all the gaps. Because of this, I would recommend writing a syllabus every year and focusing on correcting deficiencies and challenging his strong points rather than working with a strict schedule.

Also, I'd like to add that, having experienced one of the widest arrays of schooling-types possible (private elementary, public elementary, home school, private college prep school, and even a semester of public high school, and public college), I find that people who were home schooled are generally the most interesting, awesome, quirky people I've met.

Hope this helps somehow.

I have a friend with a PhD. in English who also did 2 years with Teach for America who homeschools her child.
Thetalented /diy/erdoes only average on state tests, but thetalented /diy/erhas the social skills of an eggplant. She has no real experience with kids her own age. The only other kids she talks to are in online chatrooms for homeschool kids. I guarantee you she's sexting with some guy online by the time she's 12.

You send kids to school to socialize them, not educate them. You're going to have to teach them at home anyway. You might as well use the materials the state provides.

Also, you may be able to teach yourtalented /diy/era typical curriculum, but what if, God forbid, yourtalented /diy/eris gifted. Can you give them what they need then. Teachers get doctorates in things like that.

OP, a Montessori school may be a good compromise. I know a Montessori family, and the boy is very smart!

I also know a homeschool family. So that they don't become social outcasts, the parents send the children to a different after-school class (ballet, piano, soccer, etc) every day in order to develop social skills. (For the price of all those classes, they could almost send them to private school!) Unfortunately, the children are more skilled at music and dance than schoolwork, and one is going to take dance in college. What a waste.

>>243532
>Laughinggirls. Jpg
he thinks k-12 teachers have phds.
Most high school teachers only have the equivalent of 6 years schooling
Jr High and grade school teachers are 4 years or sometimes less depending on the accreditation programs the district wants.

Well OP.
im against it and you have read the motivations before.
If you go through with this, check out khanaccademy.org (im on my phone google it)

>>243545
I didn't say most teachers. I said my fiend has a PhD. And instead of lecturing at a university she is homeschooling her child.
And as for K-12 teachers having doctorates, several of the gifted program teachers when I was going through school had doctorates (two, I think, had EdDs, and one had a PhD in math.) And I went to a normal public school.
Also, this was about whether homeschooling is a good idea. I think OP would be better off send her child to school and supplementing the curriculum at home.

>>243155

I really doubt that you, who are unemployed and not active in any kind of profession can provide proper schooling for yourtalented /diy/er I hope for your child it will work out somehow but I'm not convinced. Besides, not every school environment is like Alcatraz. As long as you don't live in Compton there might be the possibility your child will like maybe not the school itself but the benefits that come with it (making and meeting friends, deal with social situations, etc.)

itt: retards who have no idea what they're talking about ripping on something.

When did /diy/ become a bunch of stupid trolls?

>>243571
When all the 'well socialized' children were let out of public school

>>243571
At least in the USA, the subject of teaching children is an extremely hot debate. A lot of this is in part that everyone wants children to be taught the way they were taught with the same things they were taught.

Most people speak from their hearts instead of their minds on this matter. People need to check studies and meet people from both sides of the debate as well as research a good deal for themselves.

OP, you should sign up for the Accelerated Christian Education homeschooling program.
Their new science textbook states that the Loch Ness Monster is real, thereby disproving evolution.
Home schooling in America is GREAT and not at all for fundamentalist whackjobs.

Here is my grain of salt: i'm not against homeschooling or the like but i really recommend looking at private schools: they have fewer kids in classrooms, have a good education and extracurricular activities, if you plan on going on with this i recommend putting them at least in one saturday activity (sport,christian youth,lynching mob) and let them out so they can find friends in your city (so they can go out to eat, birthday parties etc.) so he/she can learn to not be annoying...cont

...cont if you want me to review your program:
Persuasive Writing i think it shouldn't be like a class its something that you learn over time (lying or telling histories)
Literary Analysis & Criticism: i think you should give this when they are a little older 12 or 13 yr old
I recommend: Introducing them to Jules Verne books but not as an assignment you want them to take pleasure on reading.

Geology: its something you dont really need just theach the basics of it in another class.

Economics is a little hard to understand, so go easy on that.
Also i recommend Anthropology aka cultural history

Instead of teaching logic teach philosophy
Game theory is useless

Your son is going to be an antisocial and you will be to blame for it. Enjoy him hating your ass later on down the road. Everybody I know who was home schooled has turned out this way.

Pic related: your son in a couple of years.

My wife was home schooled and she turned out fine. The catch is instead of being raised as a isolationist Christian protected from the evils of education she was raised by former hippies.

There was a network of kids in the home school program, at least a dozen or so. Different parents had different interests and areas of talent. So instead of each parent trying to teach everything, including subject they might not know or enjoy, they traded out. So the Mathematician was teaching math to all dozen kids, the English major, literature.

In this age of the internet it should be much easier to find local homeschooling communities than her parents had it 20 years ago.

In the end the kids are all more socially adjusted and have a wider breadth of knowledge than if they had gone the traditional route.

>>243618
>game theory is useless

Only in daily life. It's extremely important for economics or applied mathematics, if you're going into a professional field. Not something you'd teach to a child though.

>>243622
if they're antisocial, then how do you know them?!!!
>>243650
Sounds like a great way to start a pedophile ring

>>243668
If you're OP, your husband is right.

OP, you are going to set your child way back in terms of socialization. hes going to be the awkward guy in the back of the room staring at all the people having fun because he wont know what to do. give thetalented /diy/era proper education and send him to school. dont fuck his entire life up because you want to be super mom and destroy his future social life

>>243677
Bullshit.

Homeschooling doesn't work like that unless you are some kind of fundi. Home schooled kids meet up with other home schooled kids.

sounds good OP, but will sound better after the first year that seems it was a complete failure for you gets hole heartedly disected by you and your husband and anyone else involved (no negative comments,I mean don't tolerate them) and then the second year will be great.
just remember that the fewer the students, the more ...natural?.. the flow of learning will be. you'll see you chil(ren) applying knowledge first hand.
like using math to downscale a recipe, and it will be easy for you to do overdo it when its not "class time".

>>243284
>>243284
I would touch on each subject if for nothing else than to see how my child would apply maths to different situations outside his realm of understanding. how would I know if I was outside his realm? By covering as many subjects that required maths as possible and taking a mean average. just so I know that when I was old and asked a question I wouldn't get a bullshit response

>>243155
Just because you have a curriculum laid out doesn't mean that you will be able to teach it. I'm tutoring kids on college algebra, pre-cal, and calculus. I got A's in them during high school concurrent enrollment, and I still had to go back and read through textbooks a whole bunch just so I knew the material well enough to teach it. Trust me, leave the teaching to trained professionals.

>>243689
yeah because homeschooling really opens up that level of socialization, right?

Yourtalented /diy/erwill die a virgin.

Just don't. As inadequate as the public schooling system is, there are some things that your child will almost certainly need to learn that are best taught by going to school with everybody else. Unless you live in a super ghetto-ass place that is outright dangerous to children, your child will survive school and be better for it. Most half decent public elementary schools have advanced/challenge/gifted programs that teach harder classes for brighter students. As someone who grew up in a tiny christian private school, your kids social skills will get fucked. Mine were until after a few years in public high school, but I still regret the late start to this day. I can't imagine how much worse homeschooling would be.

Also, more directly to the point, you're probably too dumb to teach all of your child's curriculum anyways. It's harder that you'd think, I'm sure. Your time an effort is better spent as general meaningful interaction with yourtalented /diy/er

German instead of French

Men speak German, faggots speak French.

I was homeschooled.
Don't do it.
You don't want your child to have no proper social interaction, do you?
They need that exposure to other peers.
If you hate the public school system so much and can't afford a private school, just... take yourtalented /diy/erto public school anyway.
You don't want to be responsible for multiple mental disorders, do you?

give yourtalented /diy/era break.. from you
at least for a few hours a day

>>243759
Pretty much this. I got lucky finding like-minded souls that were as awkward as me when I finally joined the real world. Reality is that yourtalented /diy/erwon't find many children his age outside of school, at least not very many good ones*.

My mum was a teacher mind you, she could do it, but it did not fade the awkwardness out of my soul.

>*cutting classes, other bullshite
>*generally kids getting sent out of school for bad conduct

If you're going to do this, DO NOT half ass it. You need to figure out exactly what to do legally and get the curriculum worked out according to states requirements so you don't miss anything.

Virtual school is the best way to go. If you live in Florida (and possibly other states) your child can be enrolled in a full-time program for free. Same classes and curriculum as public schools, run by the school board, all legit.

If you don't want to use public school curriculum there are companies where you can buy your own, just be careful to avoid the heavily Christian based stuff.

Don't let all that social skills bullshit scare you. It can definitely happen if you neglect yourtalented /diy/er#44; but it's extremely easy to avoid if you just sign them up for some sports or other classes, bam problem solved.

Right, well you've missed Religious Education, even if you don't agree with any religion you need to educate your child on the existence and base structure of all the main world religions, and inform them there are other smaller ones.

You've also missed Citizenship/Home economics w/e you want to call it. How is this child going to know how to care for, cook for themselves, live by themselves after leaving your inadequate care.

You've also missed P.E, so no physical education for yourtalented /diy/erclearly, and no concept of -why- they need to exercise, or how to do it best.


Oh, and of course the distinct lack of friends, a social circle, reason to get up in the morning and the challenges of an environment specifically tailored to learning, rather than their mum's living room.
You're 'educated'? Congrats! Over here 45% of brits have a degree, doesn't mean they are capable of home-schooling their kids. NO one is capable of home-schooling their kids, least of all you. You don't know -everything- no one does, and how the hell can you teach something sufficiently if you don't even understand it or read it until the night before hand? Don't home-school your child, they will end up sad, alone, miserable, without friends and sorely lacking in LARGE parts of their intellect, based on your 'list' they won't know how to swim, run or look after themselves, will have no idea why people believe in any kind of god, won't know how to interact with others or learn properly or teach themselves new skills.

but hey, that's al-right, because you read a book on calculus and know it all!

Dumbass american bitch.

>>243773
is that real?
what the hell is it?

>>243777
> well you've missed Religious Education
she probably didn't mention it because it will be incorporated into EVERYTHING, though only christianity, you see the only people that home school their kids here in the US are crazy fundie christians

>>243155
>Spanish
>French

maybe I am wrong, but I always thought it was best to teach one language at a time

>>243789 Last little bit

c) You forgot ANYTHING to do with computers....this is the 21st century, golden age of technology and computers, and you FORGOT IT, as well as religion, another huge thing in the world.
d) You're an arrogant little shit. Your response to everyone who hasn't backed you has been "Oh great, more anti-homeschool assholes". Real nice denial attitude lady, and perfect, I mean PERFECT attitude to take to teaching a child anything and everything about life, what're you going to do when he looks up something on wikipedia and see's you're wrong? "Yeah, that's just internet trolls Jimmy, mommy is always right!". You've clearly come here not for actual help, but to try and get justification, so you can drag your husband over here and point to all the backing and say "See! See it's a good idea!"

e) the REALLY big one. You're asking for help....to raise a child....on 4chan. Honestly this alone detracts your parental skills to below dubious.
But hey, what do I know, I'm just an 'anti-homeschool asshole'

>>243777 here

Few more points I'd like to mention.

Yes some kids come out of home-schooling -way- more intelligent than their peers. Some also come out antisocial social rejects who wind up doing nothing with their lives. It's based partially on genetics and the enviroment they're brought up in, and partially on the education.

You are -not- capable of teaching a child, your husband is right, you -are- too dumb to do the job properly, and here's why.
a) You clearly think teachers are incapable, having offered no actual reason for home-schooling, the only logical assumption is you think the tried and tested systems that produce millions of perfectly normal, intelligent people yearly are inadequate.
b) You have no imagination, ambition or goal whatsoever. You've come up with a list of the basic education junk (missing several subjects as I noted above) but failed to go "Y'know, since we're homeschooling, lets give him a -real- advantage! Lets teach him Japanese, Mandarin Chinese, Mechanical skills, wood-working, economics...ooh, lets teach him some computer programming and IT since that's pretty much the world at the moment. Some kids come out of homeschooling very smart, usually because their parents deliberately go above and beyond the norm, taking it to korean like levels of learning and teaching degree stuff to a 12 year old.

>>243782

Haha, made me laugh man, sadly it's a painfully true fact. But hey, lets face it, the only way to indoctrinate kids nowadays is to keep em locked up away from social norms.

>>243789
you are just as bad as you think that parent is as far as stupidity goes, there are other places kids can go to socialize than school, and maybe you had a wonderful experience, but when I was in school the kids were cruel and would literally mentally torture me from the time I came to school to the time I left, they even said they wanted to push me to kill myself... do we really need that sort of socialization? also, I hate to inform you of this but the ones that turn out to be "antisocial rejects" are going to turn out to be "antisocial rejects" even if they go to school or not, that has more to do with how their minds work than how they are brought up, also, a lot of those "anti-social rejects" go on to be very successful in life, there ARE jobs where socialization isn't important you know, and if you are talking about their life in general, who are you judge if the are "doing anything with their lives" or not?

>>243791
I did mean it to be a joke, but more seriously I actually have experience with it. It wasn't horrible but I think I would have been better off if I went to school. My mom is a nice person really, despite her religious leanings, and pretty intelligent but she didn't really know what she was doing. As far as socialization goes, I think I was pretty ok in that area, there were kids all over the place where we lived and my mom babysat kids around my age as well. I was/am not very social, but I really don't think that has anything to do with home schooling, personally I think that is a myth. Highschool was pretty brutal and I got picked on and mentally tortured by even kids that wanted me to kill myself just because I was different than them, but again, I'm pretty sure that would have happened with or without homeschooling. So to sum things up, I think homeschooling is not a good idea, teachers are trained to be teachers, and in most cases know what they are doing, you are not. Though I also don't think it will perminently socially scar your children, in fact I think highschool was more damaging in that way.

>>243798
>even
I obviously meant evil.

>>243796
Ha, wow...I -really- hope you're not Op with that terrible grammar.

And no, I had a fucking awful time in school, absolutely the worst period of my life, I was bullied, abused, beaten and mocked every single day of my life there. School is a training ground, and children shouldn't be hidden away from it, or they'll never learn to deal with setbacks and unpleasant people in later life. Bullies and cruelty don't magically melt away after school, and people need school to learn to deal with normal life.

I would love to know where you get this proof that ASR's are always going to turn out like that no matter what. Because being a genius has been proved to be partially environmental, giving children the correct, stimulating environment -can- create genius level intellects, and similarly people wrongly imprisoned can be affected so that they wind up true criminals when they're finally released.

All minds work differently, but being social or anti-social is learned behaviour, and one that's learned early. I'm a high functioning mid-autistic (a few scales below the mute tv-style autistic), I would quite happily be the most anti-social person on earth, but that's not how society works, I learnt from an early age to mimic and respond to the correct social stimuli, and I learnt that by being in public, doing social things and above all, enduring school.

Yep, there are (few) jobs where socialisation isn't important. Care to list a few? I can't really think of any. And as for life outside jobs? what about talking to the rest of the world? going to the shops/doctors/restaurant. Getting a date? even talking to the postman?

Not sure if troll but I'm pretty sure everything necessary to answer this has been posted above though probably spaced out between junk.

Social: It is critical to understand they live with peers and to interact with them. If you are standing firm on homeschooling you should send the child to preschool, kindergarten and first grade with other kids. From there you could then home school them with a focus on academics but it is important they have good neighborhood kids to associate with.

Curriculum: Each state has their own set materials which you could supplement by books. Even if you don't do the homeschooling, setting them up with a 'favorite author' or encouraging reading goals per month would put them far ahead of their peers.
When it comes time for high school, you might consider sending them to either a private high school geared towards ivy league admittance OR a regular highschool for 2 years, and then a state college for the last 2 so that they would graduate with their AA.
The IB program which is starting earlier and earlier would easily outshine your home schooling pitting them against competitive peers coercing them to try harder.

Endgame: Pretty much anything you do outside the 'norm' and/or removing their options is going to make the child hate you later in life. So just make sure this geared direction is worth it.

>>243800
>School is a training ground
A training ground for what exactly? All it ever did for me was leave me paranoid as fuck and scared to death or people. I guess you will probably just say that I'm a wuss and that the kids were right in trying to make me kill myself anyhow though since that seems to be your mentality. Also I like how you responded to that badly thought out and badly written post well after I had deleted it and pretty much completely rewrote it here >>243798 probably just so you could insult how badly written it was.

>>243810
Yeah...well after...a whopping 3 minutes after you posted. Jackass.

And yep, it's a training ground, see 99% of children come out of school not much worse for wear and better off for the rest of their life. There's just the 1%, like you, that usually commit suicide and get out of the gene pool, clearly you're an anomaly.

It's evolutionary selection, I mean really, does -anyone- want to have kids who would react to school so badly they are "paranoid as fuck and scared to death or people" Better you're rooted out as a liability to life in school than after you start trying to make contributions and fail.

>>243800
Stop giving advice from a ghetto school. In my school no on was bullied.

This entire thread is bollox.

>>243814
it's funny that you were bullied as a child yet feel the need to bully people online, and yeah, you sure seem like a steller person with a great life philosophy, let me guess, you are the same sort of person that goes on about how they think that people that are different than them should be killed on /b/ all the time.

>>243819
I'm sure people were bullied, but not in the way this ass thinks, in that sort of school where no physical abuse goes on the kids do extreme mental abuse instead. Which can be more damaging than the physical abuse this guy is talking about, being called names once in a while and being beaten up is nothing compared to being systematically and relentless mentally fucked with at every second of the majority of your waking time.

>>243838
No, it was not like that in my school. It was a fairly small school and everyone got alone extremely well and we all looked out for each other. Even the quiet kids were not bullied. Out of school however is a different thing because sometalented /diy/ers parents and/or relatives were abusive..

>>243842
well I had to endure what I said AND endure and abusive dad when I got home, it was hell, I know that not all people go through anything that extreme, but I also don't agree with that moron that says all kids need to go through bullying to "toughen them up" anyhow, I'm guessing he probably isn't out of his teens or very early 20s yet himself anyhow, or is some sort of disgusting neanderthal minded man.

This thread is shite, its not /diy/, just a bunch of internettoughguys arguing at this point.

MODS PLEASE DELETE THIS THREAD

Wow...love the flame wars going on. Good luck with dat!

Back on topic, OP should really read>>243789 and the guy's other two posts, actually makes a pretty good argument for why the lady shouldn't try to teach her child

(also, MID theif for verification lol)
(also also, wth is up with that gif at the top for the DIY board?)

if you want success you need to enroll your child into a private school. You're going to try to create what you want in a child instead of what the child wants. As a parent you have too much at stake and will not let the child make mistakes as willingly as someone who has gotten their masters in pedagogy and has a strong foundation of content knowledge through various undergraduate degrees.

Don't think you can do something that teachers cant; there is a large amount of training and diversity training that middle-class white living cannot give you.

It may be nice to consider your child listening to NPR, but i don't think you should try to educate your child yourself.

I truly feel sorry for your child. Really.

Please don't do this, if you aren't a troll. Please.

Sure is samefag in here. There aren't enough people on diy to have this many opinions. There's one guy here that keeps spamming 'don't do it, they'll be socially fucked up'

>>243155
You *do* know that the State will insist on reviewing your curriculum and teaching methods, and will also insist on testing your child to ensure he's meeting the minimum requirements, and they will also insist on there being a minimum of "classroom" time, and if any of the requirements they set down aren't being met, they will prohibit you from homeschooling and require your child be put back in a proper school. Also, even if you manage to get him/her/them all the way through High School this way, their chances of getting into a decent College or University will be very slim compared to attending a regular High School. Really, I understand why you might want to do this, but what you're doing is misguided.

OP eats raw Broccoli on her tossed salat

i dont think she´s fat just a little simple-hearted

>>243860
>caring what a child wants
>caring what a child wants in education
>oh you want more recess? okay then!
>more icecream? okay sweetie.

>>243914
Most of this information is very false, actually.

>You *do* know that the State will insist on reviewing your curriculum and teaching methods, and will also insist on testing your child to ensure he's meeting the minimum requirements...

This sort of thing depends on the state, and most of the time they send a letter, at best, reminding you that you should be teaching your child.

>their chances of getting into a decent College or University will be very slim compared to attending a regular High School

In my experience, this is also very wrong. The eldest girls from one of the home school families I know have gotten into CUA, Hillsdale, and William & Mary, which were all among their first choices.

Naturally, in many situations, children will need to take standardized tests (good luck finding a U.S. college that will look at your application without an SAT or ACT score) but these are already things you can do independently of the school system.

Guys, I was home schooled (for a time) and have met many other home schoolers and let me help clarify what home schoolers are like. Remember that scene from the beginning of Mean Girls where Cady is talking about how she was home schooled, and how most people think that means she's from a crazy fundie hick family? Well, it seems you guys think the same thing. In reality though, most home schoolers are a lot more like Cady. They're usually quite book-smart (my best friend's little brother is home schooled and he reads Virgil in the original Latin for fun at 13 years old), have good relationships with their parents, and are very capable of making friends.

>>243998
>Naturally, in many situations, children will need to take standardized tests (good luck finding a U.S. college that will look at your application without an SAT or ACT score) but these are already things you can do independently of the school system.

That shit doesn't matter. It really only matters if you want grants and scholarships.

>>243555
second this
http://www.khanacademy.org

and youtube channels for fun

http://www.youtube.com/user/SciShow
http://www.youtube.com/user/CrashCourse
http://www.youtube.com/user/TedEducation
http://www.youtube.com/user/MinutePhysics
http://www.youtube.com/user/CGPGrey
http://www.youtube.com/user/explaincast
http://www.youtube.com/user/engineerguyvideo
http://www.youtube.com/user/SpaceRip
http://www.youtube.com/user/epipheo
http://www.youtube.com/user/CloudBiography
http://www.youtube.com/user/spacelab
http://www.youtube.com/user/cassiopeiaproject
http://www.youtube.com/user/foodskey
http://www.youtube.com/user/BackstageScience
http://www.youtube.com/user/FavScientist
http://www.youtube.com/user/destinws2
http://www.youtube.com/user/nottinghamscience
http://www.youtube.com/user/wordsoftheworld
http://www.youtube.com/user/1veritasium
http://www.youtube.com/user/sixtysymbols
http://www.youtube.com/user/Vihart
http://www.youtube.com/user/periodicvideos
http://www.youtube.com/user/Numberphile
http://www.youtube.com/user/DeepSkyVideos
http://www.youtube.com/user/OULearn
http://www.youtube.com/user/KhanAcademy
http://www.youtube.com/user/callumCGLP
http://www.youtube.com/user/Vsauce
http://www.youtube.com/user/DeanLeysen
http://www.youtube.com/user/ArtOfTheProblem
http://www.youtube.com/user/BytesizeScience

As someone who was homeschooled by an actual teacher i just have to ask. Please don't.

>>244234
lol well yeah you were homeschooled by an actual teacher, that's the same thing as school cept without the pros of school.

>>243914
You do know that many homeschoolers have a better chance of getting into a college.
>>243155
and OP you do whats best for your kids
http://www.hslda.org/ is a site that tells you the requirements for each state. Don't let some of these pricks tell you otherwise. They have no real clue on what its like to homeschool you can tell just by what they say.

talented /diy/er

drop the logic courses, yourtalented /diy/erwont be able to fully appreciate them until around the trig level anyways. dont try to shove too much on the guy, if hes at the algebra level by nineth grade you've done good. also, astronomy is pretty much garbage. lit, chem, physics, math(all of it), a little bio and some extra curricular should be the priority. also, i'd recommend just one language and to get him very fluent in it. it's way better than kind of knowing two

You should include some kind of food or nutrition class in there so they understand what makes a food healthy and what makes a food bad and also teachs how to cook that shit, for example why fats aren't all bad and a carbohydrates and sugars based diet can cause lots of problems as well as playing a pivotal role in the storage of fats.

Posting because I was homeschooled for grades 1-5 and 7-9. I am currently working FT as a database administrator and coder, while writing my Master's thesis in theology. I am considered hilariously but pleasantly eclectic by my friends, socially well-adapted, and a leader among my peers. I have also met homeschooled people who are foreveralone aspie virgin beta basement-dwellers. I will try to explain how I turned out okay.

1) Your job is not to educate your child. The things you can teach him or her now will probably not be useful when they turn 20, because... well, in 1992, how many parents were teaching their children smartphone app development? Your job consists of two things;
>teaching your child how to learn, and to love learning
>socializing your child
Now, this does include education in science and English and history and all practical things, but much of that is socialization; yourtalented /diy/ercan't survive grocery shopping if they don't understand nutrition and math, right? More important, however, is convincing your child that learning is entertainment. My parents had a very large personal library, which I was encouraged to read from at will and at length. I was taught basic skills and encouraged to pick projects that would build on them. In other words, from an early age, I was taught by example and experience that figuring things out and learning new things was a pleasure, not some onerous duty.

>>244388
As far as socialization goes, the argument against homeschooling is often valid. Many parents seek to homeschool because they fear the outside world and wish to shelter their child. That backfires, obviously. But children do need socialization, and not interacting with other children can be a challenge for them. However, the public school method of socialization is not much different than the Stanford prison experiment; children learn to gang up, fear the strong, bully the weak, and depend on authority for protection.

The most socially well-adapted people I've ever met were homeschooled, and their parents insisted on a high level of engagement with their community. This took the form of team sports- lots of team sports. Hockey, football, soccer, baseball, etc. They also went to every community event they could (rural Canada, so mostly BBQ days, town hall meetings, etc.). I was, frankly, isolated; our community rejected my family pretty severely (socialists took it personally that I wasn't in school with everyone else) and it was difficult to get socialization. I spent grades 10-12 in a semi-private school and had a steep social learning curve.

I need to emphasize, though, that the socialization you want your kids to have is not the kind kids get in public education. Most of that is built not for pedagogy but for social engineering. Harper's and Atlantic both have a number of articles, available online, that explain this fairly well. Sports are great, martial arts are good, school is not good, all because of the social lessons they teach.

>>244395
As for curriculum and the value of a public school teacher to your child's grasp of the material; ho ho, it is to laugh. In Canada (and in America ymmv, but as I understand it not by much), you need a teaching certificate to teach grade school. This takes the form of either a 4-year (bachelor's) degree in pedagogy, or a bachelor's in something else and a two-year course in pedagogy on top of that. This is probably very useful for acquiring teaching skills. It does not, however, make teachers any more knowledgeable than their students in math or science or English.

But, as I said, your job is to teach your child how to learn, not to jam knowledge into their head yourself. The efforts of public school to teach children fail in no small part because they think they can force children to accept knowledge. The benefit to your child in studying at home isn't that you can ram more knowledge into their head, but that when they are learning on their own, you are available to explain the basic concepts, to clarify when they are confused, and to show them where and how to progress. You are a *learning resource* for them, whose job is to equip them to use other learning resources.

>>244401
Hm, I'd meant to do a 2) around the point I started talking about socialization. Oh well.

To conclude, you're equally capable of screwing up your child's life as a public schoolteacher is. You've got more motivation not to, however.

My experience was, to start, a bit hectic as my parents struggled to grasp what they were doing, and moved from a public school style "ram knowledge into the child's head" method to a college style "present interesting subjects and equip the student to learn" method. The learning was not airy-fairy "self-directed" nonsense; I learned algebra, history, English, etc., but I was given freedom to take charge of things by selecting my own report subjects and question sets, and later on to choose which subjects to concentrate on above the minimums.

Given the circumstances I don't think my parents could have done better, but I would prefer to have had the chance to get involved in more team sports and drama at a younger age. This is not because I think the children would have socialized me, but because I would have learned better to work with peers and to handle interdependence more.

So, OP, good luck with your homeschooling, throw different learning styles at your child to see what sticks, and don't forget to get them involved in at least a couple of long-term team activities a year.

As a current student myself, I'll tell you that the few things that will matter for children of the next generation are going to be literature, critical reading, thinking and formal response texts/essays, along with mid to high level math (just buy a schooling math book and make your way throughout the course) IT and Nutritional information (in depth) will definitely be needed.

Other than that, looks sturdy.

>>244395
OP, this guy makes a point. You should also include the Stanford prison experiment in your curriculum somewhere. I suggest while you're teaching Lord of the Flies. The sooner kids learn that lesson, the less likely they are to go all Ted Bundy on you.
The social skills children learn in school are how to handle bullies, manipulators, cheats, thieves and other future sociopaths. It teaches them to cultivate healthy relationships and sever unhealthy ones, but only if you are actively engaged in their social education.
Yes, public schools are gladiator academies, but life is combat and it's a sin to leave your child unprepared to deal with it.


>The Lucifer Effect: Understanding How Good People Turn Evil by Philip Zombardo
That's the book by the guy who ran the Stanford prison experiment.

>>244489
>Philip Zimbardo
fix'd

>>244307
as i recall, logic was the other half of sophomore geometry; and geology and astronomy and ecology was all part of freshman Physical Science, which was an introduction to the chem, phys, and bio to come later. Astronomy was just a unit in senior Physics.

Your child will end up being a fur fag. Congrats.

i would add some basic trade skillz to that list.

for example:
knowing how to shut the water supply off in a house. (valves)

basic house wiring (recepticals/light fixtures/guts of a circut panel)

etc

>>243155

As someone who was homeschooled, I'd like to make a few suggestions:

First of all, let thetalented /diy/ergo to school for first/second grade until he can read and write. This is important, and you'd be surprised how many people can't teach it properly.
Secondly, READ to yourtalented /diy/er When I was 5 my mom would read Harry Potter to me as I followed along the words, by the time I was 7 I'd be reading along with her and pointing out when she missed words. It's a great way to teach kids to read.
Thirdly, DONT let them near the TV or computer. It will just drain their time.

As for actual curriculum, as long as they can read/write and read often, they really don't need much formal education until their older. Make sure to give them lots of books, and read with them. I'd suggest getting the 'horrible history' series. It's a bunch of world history books written for children and would easily give them a much better background in history than anything they teach in schools. Actually have fun when you're teaching math, don't just do things like long division, but actually get into fun stuff like algebra and trigonometry as soon as they're able. Get a few math books about the fourth dimension, they'll teach the kids much more about geometry than some shitty textbook. If you want, I'd be happy to give you an extensive reading list, but above all get 'One Two Three ... Infinity: Facts and Speculations of Science', its a beautiful book about math and physics.
Teach them their myths and bible history, that stuffs really important and interesting, but rarely taught.
If they ever want to go back to school, make sure to teach them how to hand in homework. That really fucked me over as a child.

I'm not really sure what else to add, I guess if you have any questions ask away. I was homeschooled up till grade 10 and I'm doing fine.

>>243170
>both college educated
In all of these fields?

Because most teachers are above college educated, and they typically only teach one or two subjects, and if they teach two, they're usually related (ex: teaching English and Literature)

I seriously doubt you have even the qualifications to teach half of this shit.

>>244510
>DONT let them near the TV or computer. It will just drain their time.
Say what?

The internet is probably the greatest learning tool ever created.

>>244524
You seriously believe you are not wasting your time right now?

>>244526
I need to take a break since I spent most of this morning learning Japanese. For free. On the internet.

>>244522
Believe it or not, you generally don't need a college education to teach at a grade-school level.
The argument that teachers are better trained is bullshit, even if they are more qualified, that doesn't replace how broken the entire structure of the school system is.
I know that I taught myself far better than any teacher (with the exception of when my parents hired a tutor, who worked with me one-on-one in a privet setting) while I was in highschool, and I certainly didn't have a college education.

>>244527
What were you learning Japanese for?

>>244524
I agree with you completely, but when thetalented /diy/eris under 16 he wont have the self control not to just slack off and play games.

Its fine to use it as a recourse, but don't open that can of worms and let him browse it on his own. If you provide him with actual textbooks he'll be able to teach himself much better with those than some youtube video.

>>244528
>at a grade school level
I'm sure most of the things OP is trying to teach theirtalented /diy/er#44; including Algebra, Trig, Calculus, Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Astronomy, Economics, and two other languages besides English are going to be grade school level classes.

OP never even mentioned grade school only.

Isn't public school just glorified babysitting? Shit, once that talentedkid turns 7 or so, they're going to be obnoxious as fuck no matter how well structured your class is. You're going to want to be away from them for a few hours a day so you can live your life.

No one wants an overbearing mother anyway. Your talentedkid will want to actually experience life away from you and develop their own identity. Years later, he'll probably want someone to fingerfuck and have access to some wicked drugs & parties. Are you going to deny your talentedson young sluts and weed? You gonna smoke him up? You gonna let him fingerbang you????

Your motives are selfish. Get over yourself and let your son fingerbang young sluts or else he's cumming for you!

>>244538
So what? Highschool is just as bad.
Believe it or not, most kids actually have some will to learn. When I was a teenager I'd pour myself a warm cup of coffee, spread out on a table with an assortment of perfectly sharpened pencils, relax on my nice padded chair, and work through a first year calculus book at my leisure. How is that any worse than sitting on an uncomfortable plastic chair, trying to fit all my notes on a small plastic desk, and being barely able to concentrate on the basic fucking algebra homework because my 'college educated professional' teacher is yelling at the dumb shit behind me who keeps talking to his friend across the room?
It might matter if its going to be one-on-one teaching, but it isn't, the teacher has to spend all his or her time watching over a class of dumbshits working through the same textbook you'd get at home at an excruciatingly slow pace.

You should let yourtalented /diy/erplay as many strategy games as possible (chess, go, video games) and find a way to teach him programming.

You have to betalented /diy/erding, OP

I was home schooled. I think I turned out pretty decently: 5th semester in a nursing program, dean's list, etc.

If you honestly think you can do it, then go for it.

>>244596

OP please go.

>>244601
gb2/b/

>No
Logic
Critical Thinking
Game Theory
Economics

>Pick one
Spanish
French

>Too far of a gap between these two, needs filler
Arithmetic
Algebra

>What?
Research

>Unless he shows interest in this it isn't needed
Astronomy

>Not needed, not to be condescending but I doubt you could teach it
Literary Analysis & Criticism

You also need to add in different types of literature.
Like World Lit, British Lit, and American Lit

>>243155
Every home schooledtalented /diy/erends up socially awkward believe me its a bad idea. Also culture shock of leaving homeschooling fucks you real hard.

Good luck raising a serial killer.

>>243155
> intent on homeschooling
> in spite of husband
> claiming that we're too dumb

Nope. You two aren't too dumb. YOU are too dumb. He's not dumb because he knows his limits.
"Leave the DIY decisions to the husbands", says the topic. This is one of those cases where the topic is not machism, is reality.
Do what he says. He is in the right.

>>244622

Well said.

As someone that has been home schooled... don't do it. I'm fairly sure it's a reason why my social skills are so fucked.

>>243170

>My spouse and I are both college educated

Holy shit, we have a couple of brainiacs on our hands here.

Did he ask for this?

>>243155

Please. Listen to your husband and just send yourtalented /diy/erto school.

If you want your children to turn out better than the public school children, you private tutor them in addition to public school. If you want them to learn less, that's why you home school. So they can be ignorant and religious.

i was pulled from public school after 2nd grade, i was starting to get extremely frustrated and bored. I would walk around and help other kids. counselor said my future was bleak if i couldn't sit down and suffer through.

my dad taught me to read and write at 5 while we were still going through ABCs in kindergarten.

I pretty much taught myself from 3-8th grade. my mom made sure i stuck to schedule, but I had SOOO much extra free time as a result. When I entered high school it took about a week and it was like I'd never left the system. I went to one of the top 10 high schools in the nation (US) and entered with Algebra 2 as a freshman which I easily spanked, and graduated after completing calculus 3 and differential equations.
Now I run my own business.


Don't hate on something you know NOTHING about.

>>243305
I agree with teaching mandarin chinese instead of spanish or french. China is a king of underhanded industry and a ton of jobs head over there or deal with them.

As for the apparent social skill part that everyone harps on. Have some kind of 'speech' class of some sort. Fluid speech to convey your ideas is a basic must.

Also enroll your child in some sort of 'sport'. More or less something like a martial arts class or biking club, or offered classes at your ymca. This will help in discipline, general health and kinesthetic memory.

most of your child's early trauma in life will be interpersonal. Shielding him/her from that could significantly hamper his emotional growth, which could present problems in all areas of life later on. Trust me, I know, several of my friends were home schooled. They're all emotionally simple, and are easily shattered. Do you want that?

Send yourtalented /diy/erto public school. read to them at night. make sure learning doesn't stop when they get home. if they show a special interest, encourage it. make sure they're comfortable telling you about difficulties they're having. socialize them early. play quality music for them. give them a pencil and paper to draw with.

home schooling is a hilariously simple answer to an incredible complex equation. the real answer is the answer to everything else in life; balance.

Okay

So you're American and you want to teach yourtalented /diy/erSpanish AND French.
Do you speak any of these languages? Do you know anyone who does? Do you have any connection to Spanish, Latin American or French cultures?

I agree with the people saying your child should learn Chinese, but then again, if you don't speak it, it'll be hard.

Have you thought about letting your child choose? If he doesn't like astronomy or literature he doesn't have to study it, although I do think that he needs stuff like critical thinking and research skills.

>>245684
I agree with this guy.You should turn your children over to the government to indoctrinate.

um, ill try to help, since i admire your dedication to your children's well being
try looking up things on the history of education to find some inspiration for what your curriculae should be like. Plato had some good points, but not all his methods are applicable nowadays. start with the fundementals, what your want for your children. let that be the guiding factor. dont let the outside world distort your vision, but of course, don't be dishonest about it or keep your children sheltered etc. It takes a village to raise a child! It woubld be foolish to think you alone can supply all your child needs, that you are capable enough to satisfy any desire they have.

Science:
astronomy
geology
meteorology
optics
classical mechanics
anthropology
algebra
human physiology
nature studies
technology, basic structure of how everything around them works from tvs to lasers to how a door is put together to how radio waves work

Humanities:
Poetry
history of civilization
conquerers/notable figures
Expressive Writing
Rhetoric (advanced
Literature and composition (advanced


Other Interests:
History of myth, learning about greek mythology
Painting
sculpting


Enrichment/Application or Skills & Tricks
camping/self reliance
sports, kinestheology
grammar
Latin
Ettiquette
nutrition
trust
accountability
doing your best

Children always need support, guidance, and enrichment. But it is equally important for children to realize the importance of these things themselves. Nothing is more powerful in the construction of a critically thinking individual than time to themselves, time to make their own and wonder while doing mostly nothing other than thinking.

make em strong, fuck what people think.

me again >>245721

this
>>244388

>>243263
>>243263
I have only read as far as this post, so my apologies if this point has already been brought up. That being said, there is one other crucial factor that's not being taken into account here. The level playing field for social interaction provided by public/private schooling is most certainly NOT "the only compelling argument." The social interaction issue can be mitigated to a point in the ways you mentioned, yes, but what about social independence?

The ritual of going to to school each day at a set time, for a set time, plays a majorly significant role in the development of such areas as self-sufficiency, resourcefulness, self-confidence, and independence. Moreover, the roles of "parent" and of "teacher" are clear and distinct to the child. The very fact that these two important roles are played by at least as many people is an advantage unto itself. It aids in enabling the child to distinguish between authority figures; to learn that different guidelines & boundaries & behaviors are associated with different figures; and to determine the appropriate and acceptable forms of interaction with regard to each one. Not only that, but a teacher provides a second outlet for a child with something to say. S/he may be unable or simple unwilling to speak to a parent, yet find his/her voice when faced with a teacher (or vice-versa.)

[continued…]

>>245799 [cont.]

The other side of this coin is the best friend role, which loses much of its merit when restricted to after-school, extracurricular activities. Peers offer a chance to find an ally if(read:when) a child feels the need to seek one out. Many a friendship has formed in the wake of having to deal with the same bullshit every day (& yes, learning cursive absolutely counts as bullshit when you’re 7) as a group. Classmates represent the anti-authority figures; they are the equals from whom, & with whom, a child discovers the role that s/he herself/himself is to play. Not to imply that’s the only way a child can develop his/her own identity, but when "become integrated into society” still falls under Future Plans, knowing where you stand amongst the rest of its members right from the start isn’t exactly a bad thing, you know?

I will say honestly that I’m a lot more open to the idea of homeschooling than I was a few minutes ago, but this is something I need answered. You can stick to a daily schedule that follows a routine brimming withtalented /diy/erfriendly indicators of what falls under "home/parents" and what is reserved for "school/teacher" to which you strictly adhere with unfailing consistence and infinite patience and etc. etc. to your heart’s content….but that's as far as it’s ever gonna go. & that will not –cannot– make up for what the child is not experiencing as a result.


[While this equates to common sense for damn near everyone in here, I understand the necessity of citing one's argument, so here:
http://www.educationnews.org/articles/parents-must-consider-disadvantages-before-home-schooling-.htm
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I hope that will suffice, but tell me if it doesn’t & I will find something better.]


>tl;dr How do you intend to compensate for not shoving your offspring out of the nest like the other birdies?

>>243167
Bullshit. Teachers don't care about teaching, and the only social "skills" children learn in school is how to bully or how to be bullied. Homeschooling parents often get together with other homeschooling families, and all their children can socialize far better than they could in the hell on earth called school. I learned to read, write, do math, etc., at home because I was taught all these things by my family. That's how I skipped a grade in school. I also learned foreign languages, how to type, use a computer, and much more at home. All school ever did was hold me back, because teachers always try to slow you down to the pace of the other little retards in the class.

OP, Google info about homeschooling in your area. Connecting with other homeschoolers is the best way to find out what you need to do.

>>243175
Are you this bitter because people are sick of your kind not doing their jobs? Or is it because you know damned good and well that the homeschooled kids will grow up to be smarter than you, and earn far more money than you'll ever hope to see in your lifetime?

Teachers like you are the problem with today's schools.

Hey op, I don't know where you are because I only read your initial post. If you plan on homeschooling contact your local school board and tell them you plan on homeschooling your child, get yourself enrolled in your local home school program. If not there are many christian schools that offer accredited home school programs. Either way make sure that the program is accredited and has a weekly reporting system. Monthly reporting is not effective and most monthly reporting programs can not track your child's progress with any accuracy. I wish you luck, remember to actually enforce education schedule or you will have wasted this opportunity to both bond with your child and enrich their life. Most important though, check with your local school board and ensure the program you chose is accredited.

>>243175

Asshole. Too bad homeschooled kids are outperforming public school kids due to the declining standards in public education.

>>243212

Get your kids "socialized" by a bunch of miniature social deviants. That is no argument FOR traditional public education. I'm keeping my kids away from those monsters when I have mine!

Either way....If you home school, you need to socialize the FUCK out of yourtalented /diy/er..Ive known quite a few homeschooled kids, and they might be smart, but theyre socially stunted. Kids need the brutal life lessons they get in public school. Its not just an education, its how they learn to survive in society.

Degrees can only take you so far. My mother in law has two degrees in fields that are highly valuable in this area but she cant get a job because shes crazy as fuck and is socially akward.

I think home schooling can work, but you need to push your kids out at the same time and let them learn how to survive in the wild.

>>246276

There are things such as sports, the neighborhood kids, etc. One could also argue that going to a school more places kids in their societal place as opposed to teaching them how to maneuver in society.

This thread has gone on for quite some time, and while many people have made very good points, I want to leave my opinion on the subject.

First off, I myself have been home schooled from kindergarten to senior year of high school.
And I have to say... I regret it.
I'll admit I am very educated and I am quite intelligent. However, it is the social skills that I lack.
I have very few friends and have never had a job, girlfriend, driver's license, or my own home. I am 19

>>246321
..and THIS anon, right here, is the prime reason why except for extreme circumstances homeschooling is a bad idea: you become a social outcast.

Lady, get a job outside the home, pay for private school, if you're concerned about quality of education.

Homeschool is a tricky route if you don't know what you're doing. I managed to get in and out with my social skills not only intact, but advanced. That's a stigma you can pretty much ignore. The problem isn't a curriculum as much as being adamant and knowing what the hell you're teaching. Be open to online programs. Be open to a lot of things. The greatest advantage homeschool offers is college prep in terms of attitude towards work. I came out of homeschool and into High School knowing exactly what I was doing in every subject because homeschool had taught me to teach myself. I could learn things on my own and grasp them pretty easily where other kids failed. I was able to carry that skill over into college, and it's helped tremendously. I am completely self-motivated and independent. The work load is a lot easier to work with because I'm so used to scheduling on my own terms and being able to fulfill whatever obligations arise.

Above all, homeschool is an educational character builder. Make sacrifices where you must, step aside where you don't know what you're doing, and be consistent. No one wants to unschool.

Eww no. He doesn't need all that bullshit. Dumb it down to the following:
Arithmetic
Algebra 2
Geometry

HOW TO FUCKING WRITE

Physics I (things like d = v * t)
Biology I
FUCKING GEOGRAPHY

Critical thinking

Then, send him to trade school / vocational

>>243278
now this i cant believe, you have a mechanical engineering degree, a JD and an MD

and you got all this to stay at home to school your kids.. not buyin

>>243155
There is a very small chance that you are dumber than the average public grade school educator. Education majors are the dumbest lot at universities and aptitude tests confirm this. If we just started hiring people off the street, we would probably have better public school teachers than we do now.


That being said, I don't think you should try to make your own curriculum from scratch. Have you considered hiring a part-time tutor to organize the lessons? A professional tutor/teacher would probably have access to a lot more resources than you would (worksheets, etc), he would have a curriculum already planned out, and he could give you advice on how to educate yourtalented /diy/er If you can find a few other like-minded parents, you might be able to split the cost of a few hours of tutoring a day amongst several families. If you had a few children involved, it would make it seem more like a classroom setting.


Anyway:
Make sure you read to your child at an early age. Anytalented /diy/ercan start reading before the age of five.

Go easy on the "science" curriculum at a young age. Reading, writing, and math are more important.

Don't waste too much time on coloring and other assorted busy work. This is what public school is famous for.

Don't pay for cable, and don't let yourtalented /diy/eranesthetize himself on the computer.

>>246367

What's so hard to believe about that? My uncle was CFO for a major corporation. He grew sick of it, quit, and became a stay-at-home dad while my aunt works a day job. Granted, they still send their kids to school...

>>246394
History major here, confirming teachers are dumb.

My school was also shit though. History specifically did better than a lot of other majors, but the whole school was a diploma mill for rich people to get their daughters and loser sons a BA degree

Let yourtalented /diy/erplay a lot, it helps them develop more than anything at young age.

Reading, writing, math, and stories for grade school.

Where 'stories' is pretty much anything, fiction, documentaries, basic physics lessons. Could have them watch the whole NOVA series for example.

Don't let them waste time watching broadcast TV. Get your documentaries on netflix or the library.

Exposing them to stories will set them up for what they may like to become, and Reading Writing and Arithmetic will set them up for your highschool curriculum which will really start preparing them for college. And don't let arithmetic stop you, Calc 3 shoudn't be a problem for a home schooledtalented /diy/erby the end of highschool.

Home schooling creates social retards... seriously why not just enroll yourtalented /diy/erin a real school? Part of schooling is to learn how to interact with people and build teamwork, make friends. Sure, some schools are sub par with some certain aspects of education, but you can wok that out and do after school tutoring with yourtalented /diy/erafter school/ weekends.
My personal opinion is that people who home school their own kids are setting them up for failure in the 'real world', and that the only reason that you don't want yourtalented /diy/erto go to a regular school is because of your own insecurities. And to be a home school teacher in Australia you do need to do a course, idk where you're from but it may be the same. But let's be honest; If you are actually contemplating home schooling then I'd have to agree with your husband and say that your too stupid..... Or American.

>>247738
Your opinion is not supported by facts.

>>247740
OK, I'm only studying my Bach of Primary education, but whatever, home school teachers no best.

>>247743
>OK, I'm only studying my Bach of Primary education, but whatever, home school teachers no best.

>OK
>I'm
>Bach
>Primary education
>whatever
>no

You write like a scholar already.

>>247747
I write like I'm on 4chan.

Control Freak detected

>You are not giving him the same chance as everyone else you selfish bitch

Don't use yourtalented /diy/eras a cure for your stay at home boredom, it's his future, not yours.

'same chance'
of bullying psychopaths.
durr, it prepares them for the real world
No it doesn't, no one behaves like that when they're an adult. Your brain changes drastically and you stop being a dick. It is very physical, and very difficult for children to not by evil when they're put into large groups with no adult leadership.

And public school teachers are ALL FUCKING RETARDED. Why do you keep idolizing them?!

>first year as an educator last year, 7th-grade geometry
>both honors and regular classes
>child in honors class stands out to me as well-mannered, always holds doors open, sirs and ma'ams etc. Good posture, genuinely attentive to material
>discover he looks down on his peers openly and believes himself a superior being
>ask him about this behavior after class
>homeschooling until this age
also
>one boy in my video game club after school
>wants to talk to me outside
>asks why no one is in their suits at this school
>ask some questions
>his parents are furries and raised him as one

On to my second year!

>>247783
Behaving that way he probably is superior, kids these days have no fucking manners or discipline at all, but ya ask em about MTV or drugs they know all about that.

Home schooling is awesome! You're a good mom for spending time to educate your child.

>>247784
>kids these days have no fucking manners or discipline at all
That's a pretty broad statement to make... I get both honors and 'normal' students in my classes, and there are both jerks and paragons in both. Do you really judge children just because they're children?

He didn't do significantly better than the rest of the class, he was just another honors student academically. He seriously treated every other student like trash, walking to the front of the lunch line or pushing someone out of the way to use the water fountain.

His parents came to the school in an attempt to get him bumped to a higher grade; all of his teachers were quizzed on whether or not we could see him succeeding- no one approved the move.

Good job teaching social skills.

Enjoy your autistic child. No amount of parent-child social learning can prepare children for life, idiot. Besides, children learn nothing in elementary school. Read education--the stuff we assume we learn--is taught in high school at a fundamental level, and college.

You must also be the type of moron who still believes vaccines cause autism.

OP I was a homeschooled child and it pretty much ruined my life. My parents thought I'd be heading back to school in the ninth grade as well but you know what? When you grow up socializing almost exclusively with your family and a few other kids that your parents have screened, you are completely unprepared for the real world where you have to earn people's respect and friendship rather than it being a given. I went back to homeschooling after only a couple months with the rationale that public high school was just terrible and I'd do better when I got to college. I didn't. I failed out in my first semester, but not before alienating my roommate and failing to make any friends. Turns out it's really important to interact with people and authority figures beyond your immediate circle of friends and relatives to become a complete person. I now suffer from a host of anxiety disorders and post on 4chan full time.

Please don't homeschool yourtalented /diy/er My parents were college educated as well (in fact, they work at a university), but were completely unprepared for the reality of educating a child. There is a reason there is a separate degree for "education".

Why do you want to homeschool your child? I'm certain you will just stagnate their sociability and turn them into someone who cannot deal with the real world.

You are a moron and you will not educate your child properly, that is a fact. Your child will be ruined if you do it, and the only person to blame will be you. No child in the developed world is prepared for life unless they go to a school.

I was homeschooled till 8th grade I is dumb

you aren't smart enough, op. no one remembers everything they learned in hs. you might do alright ( no where near s good as a real teacher though) at teaching on or two subjects, but the rest will suffer. unless you get a series of tutors and send his ass to every summer camp, after school service, and community event. he will be a fuckup

For me, its not even about being smart enough to teach the content - its about home schooled kids not getting the 'street smarts' school will give them. A lot of home schooled kids I know don't fuction well socially.

It's my belief that the major purpose of public school is teaching kids how to deal with peers and authority. Many have already said similar things.

The actual curriculum is stuff that they mostly won't remember anyway. There are not very many very important things that are intentionally taught in schools.

> homeschool
> 2012

FULL RETARD
Enjoy your autistic, homosexual, incapable of getting a job, ingrate of a child.