/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>1983531
Never experienced a lack of power in my life

>>1983531
>you can fry your hair while boiling your water at the same time.
The mendacity of this guy!

>>1983531
i've literally never experienced issues with lack of power anywhere or anytime in my life lol

credentials: texan

>>1983531
For my heater, I ran a 240v/30a line and outlet.
We can install whatever we need.

Is it true your kitchen ovens are hard wired? We use outlets for them... don’t need an electrician when we replace old ones.

>>1983619
> Is it true your kitchen ovens are hard wired?
Only if it's more convenient to hard wire one, for instance to save space. However, our induction cookers are hard wired, because these usually run on three phases and an outlet for that is too clunky for kitchen.
> We use outlets for them... don’t need an electrician when we replace old ones.
We don't need an electrician. We just do the wiring ourselves. Why would one call an electrician for a job as simple as that?

120V is just a pure waste of copper that you need to put in all the cables.

>>1983599
Good thing Norway is not a part of EU then. Wat you do now?

>>1983614
hmm, seems it's not a problem then. Maybe you don't use a lot of power? I heard that you use gas and not electricity to fry your food inside like you would do with a garden bbq grill?


>>1983619
>For my heater, I ran a 240v/30a line and outlet
Nice, that is some serious power

>Is it true your kitchen ovens are hard wired?
No, not true, but they use a special outlet, not the normal schuko (pic rel = schuko = 16A). We use a so called technical outlet that delivers normally 25A @ 240V. Some people even install 35A @ 240V, but 25A is the common. What sucks though is that you are required to add a stove guard. That is basically a sensor you place above your stove which monitor the stove (how hot and how long they have been on) and if it think the stove is too hot or something it will tell the outlet to cut the power to the stove. It fucking sucks, but at least the sensor has become more intelligent the last years and don't trigger unnecessarily

I run computer, 2 mini-fridges, lamp, and have to pick between microwave, frying pan, rice cooker. The room should really have had 2 breakers for its size.

>>1983619
>here's your metric system bro

>>1983630
>The room should really have had 2 breakers for its size.
Yeah that is the solution. It just seems wasteful though to needing twice the amount of copper and circuit breakers just because you are afraid of 240V.

Why do you use 120V and not 240V again?

here in germany some homes use electric water heaters with up to 24kW.

Runs on 400V.

Even though 18kW are enough for a shower.
They were common in houses with a fuel oil central heating which is off in summer. Would be inefficient to use it only for hot water.

>>1983641
I assume you are talking about a direct heater? They use those here in norway too, but is very rare. They are actually more efficient than a tank heater though as you only heat the water you need when you need it

Does 240v not use larger copper? That would mean it uses more copper.
Water heaters, furnaces, stoves, washers, dryers all get their own 30 amp breakers.

>>1983646
It is the current that decide the amount of copper. 16A @ 240V (3800W) uses the same wire thickness as 16A @ 120V (1900W).

This is the reason why main power lines are several 100k volts. You save on copper and you get less transmission loss

>>1983646
>Does 240v not use larger copper? That would mean it uses more copper.
It needs less copper you dimwit.
2.4kW on 230V is about 10.4A
2.4kW on 120V is about 20A
the more amps, the thicker wire needed
So basically you need twice as much copper in murica to get the wiring as safe as elsewhere in the world.
Also, more power is lost in cables with half voltage, even if you double the diameter.

>>1983599
oi, you got a loicence for that vacuum?

>>1983633
>Why do you use 120V and not 240V again?
Because that was the standard in the US 100+ years ago before yuropes even heard of electricity. Yuropeans are dumb as fuck and change their electrical standards every 5 minutes. Which wire is supposed to be red again? or was it blue? I dunno, yesterday it was supposed to be yellow.

Improperly wiring a room/building for the intended load has nothing to do with 120v or 240v. 120 works just fine. The real question is why yuropes wire everything with extension cords and plastic conduit putting everyone in danger.

And dont get me started on plumbing. Y'all still havent figured out how venting works and cant run drain pipe that doesnt clog.

>>1983531
>Serious question though. Does the lack of power give you any trouble in your daily lives?
No. Anything that needs more power in a household runs off of a 220 line. About the only things that require this are electric dryers and electric stoves, and you're not really moving them all the time so giving them their own outlets isn't a big deal. Everything else runs normally.

The only thing that is AIDS is having to run 220 inside my garage for things like my big air compressor or my welder, but I'm sure you have a similar situation over there because there's no way you're pulling up to 7200w from a standard outlet to weld something or to squish some air into a big tank. even my horizontal bandsaw runs fine on 110, though I do have the option to wire it up to 220 if I really thought I needed that extra power(I don't)

>>1983726
>Because that was the standard in the US 100+ years ago before yuropes even heard of electricity
lmao you have no idea about the history of electricity. Europe was the first to adopt it, and especially Norway because of it's countless waterfalls. This is also partly why Norway became the richest country in europa even before the oil, contrary to popular belief.

>change their electrical standards every 5 minutes
Europe consists of several independent countries so of course things will be a bit different. It is pretty much the same standard all over europa now though.

>Which wire is supposed to be red again?
HAHAHA are you conflating DC with AC? Most of your electrical standards are standards you have adopted from europe.

>120 works just fine
Except for wasting double the amount of copper and losing a lot of electricity because of transmission loss

>The real question is why yuropes wire everything with extension cords
I have no idea what you talk about. I hate regulations, but the regulations in Europa says at least 2 outlets for every 4 m2 and at least 6 outlets behind the TV ++.

>And don't get me started on plumbing
I had an american visiting me one time and even when he shat in my toilet nothing bad happened. The pipes handled his american load just fine


HHAHAHAH do americans really argue based on their own fantasies and delusions like you do. lmao

Why are europeons so seethingly obsessed with everything about America down to its electrical system?

>>1983729
>but I'm sure you have a similar situation over there because there's no way you're pulling up to 7200w from a standard outlet to weld something
You are right about that. In that case we also have to wire up a beefed up outlet (32A @ 230V)

We have access to 400V though if we really need extra power. I can't really think of anything other than a car charger that would need 400V in a residential home though, but 400V is very common in industry and a lot of tools runs off of 400V.

>>1983732
>at least 6 outlets behind the TV
holy fucking shit why? is that an outdated regulation from the mid 90's when people were running gigantic CRTs and tons of black boxes for their media center? I've literally never had a problem just running a power strip to run all my shit off a single socket. Even 3 CRTs and a computer with an 800w PSU back in my teenage years.

>>1983740
Over here 240 is enough for alot of things in industry, for things like machine tools, furnaces, presses or anything else you can think of that would be run of the mill in a factory we have 440v, rarer, but sometimes even something like 880v, beyond that I'm hazy on it because I've never encountered anything beyond that.

>>1983743
>is that an outdated regulation from the mid 90's when people were running gigantic CRTs
No, it came in in 2014. It is needed though, personally I have 12 outlets and use 9 of them. Anyway, I hate how they regulate every tiny detail like this. I don't know if this is just a Norway rule or a global Europa rule, but I think the former. The reason they pushed this rule was because people had one double outlet behind the TV and then they put a splitter in that outlet and then a splitter in the splitter to get enough outlets for the tv + dvd + hifi + wifi ++++ and then they would add another splitter in the splitter so that they could power their 2000W electric heater and that is where the problems and fires started. It was rare it caused fires though, but it still did and that is the reason mother government says 6 outlets or ticket

Do yuros not realize most american houses have 220 appliances?

>>1983747
>then they would add another splitter in the splitter so that they could power their 2000W electric heater and that is where the problems and fires started.
Don't you guys have circuit breakers to prevent this sort of thing?

>>1983732
>Except for wasting double the amount of copper
>Europa says at least 6 outlets behind the TV

You wanna talk about wasting copper when your own regulations call for 6 fucking outlets behind the TV?

>>1983750
>Don't you guys have circuit breakers to prevent this sort of thing?
The problem was cheap Chyna extension cords and splitters that's often only 0.75mm2 when the wiring to the outlet is 2.5mm2

>>1983757
>You wanna talk about wasting copper when your own regulations call for 6 fucking outlets behind the TV?
I would love for you to explain how this wast any copper. That said I don't like regulations like that one bit, but you are far off target

>>1983531
>My fucking hairdryer
You a tranny or just a fag?
Houses in USA are wired for 240v.
My clothes dryer, stove, and air compressor are on 240-30A outlets. My welder has a 240-50amp outlet. I don't even own a hair dryer. Bitches own hairdryers. You got a curling iron too?

Why are europoors so obsessed with everything that happens in the USA? I probably can't even find your shithole county on a map kek

>>1983772
>I don't even own a hair dryer
Yes I already know americuts doesn't care how they look.

>Why are europoors so obsessed with everything that happens in the USA?
It is not about obsession it is about genuine curiosity. The same curiosity most have about Negroes in Africa or mongoloids. It is something different that doesn't make sense. It is a natural human reaction wanting to make sense of such things. Another thing is the way you mutilate your kids. It is very shocking for outsiders and it is like reading about Mayans and their human sacrifice. It's a kind of morbid curiosity

>>1983777
hair dryers make hair puffy as fuck. Better to slick it back with a comb and let it air dry.

>>1983732
dumb europoster

>>1983641
My tankless HW is fucking 36kw. 4 big double pole breakers. I only have 2 on unless it's winter and I'll flip the 3rd.

>>1983772
>My clothes dryer, stove, and air compressor are on 240-30A outlets
You do realize the 240V in Europe uses only one phase?
My stove is on a 400V outlet.

>>1983797
Don't you get more energy potential with 2 or 3 phase AC?

>>1983791
Put a bushing in the hole where the black cable enters.

>>1983625
Man I like the idea of a 3phase induction cooktop but they have enough issues getting the 240v split phase ones working reliably... I do appliance repair and 9 times out of 10 if your working on one the repair is “replace all the inverter boards”

>>1983629
Gas for cooktops and ovens is very common over here, generally from a cooking standpoint electric ovens are better since they don’t add any moisture, however gas beats electric for cooktops, including induction... much more controllable and it’s instantly hot.

>>1983729
You really should try the bandsaw on 240... made a world of difference with my table saw

>>1983822
hmm, I never thought that you could use bbq gas to grill inside. It just seems so...savage. It do make sense though that you can fine tune the heat more since it is analogue and that it is faster because it is more direct. But then I never really had any issues with that with my electric stoves

>>1983797
>You do realize the 240V in Europe uses only one phase?
So does USA
L1+L2=1 phase 240
L1+N or L2+N=120v split phase.
I guess europoors will try and make the argument that less options are better.

>>1983732
>This is also partly why Norway
But norway isn't even a real county anymore. Its just another little europoor shithole full of people who spend their time seething over 'Murica's BBG (Big Based Grid)

>>1983732
The US has the safest electrical code in the world. Go back to wiring your 1 room communist concrete bunkers with extension cords and spreading plaster over it.

>american cope

legacy systems

we can pull 240V, just pulling two hots together

>>1983732
>Except for wasting double the amount of copper and losing a lot of electricity because of transmission loss

AC is transmission from power station to smaller sub stations which are located throughout neighborhoods, there they send to local smaller transformer hanging on power poles.

The services smaller transformer takes in 240V. Most, I'd wager 80% of american homes have access to 240V.

We don't get 120V service. We get 240V service. Most service is aluminum.

I don't think we use copper wire until it's inside a building. Then it's all copper, or copper coated aluminum.

>>1983732
>eurofag talking about using 120v firepower transmission

Nice troll. Lost it though.

>>1983896
>yuropoor seethe

>>1983865
>So does USA
He said ONE phase you illiterate mutilee

>>1983899
>we can pull 240V, just pulling two hots together
lol, what do you think we pull with two hots? Since you are too stupid to know I'll tell you: 400V

>>1983758
imagine the smele

>>1983732
>Norway had electricity before America due to waterfalls.
I bet Edison lived in Oslo too

>>1983996
Why isn't it 480?

>>1984036
Line to line voltage is 1.7 times the phase to neutral voltage

>>1983531
>Does the lack of power give you any trouble in your daily lives?
No. Standard outlets in any place that would be used for something more demanding than electronics is 20 amps, so that's 2400W as a baseline. Specialty circuits can have larger capacities. I have a 120V-50A circuit in my garage for things like chop saws and welders that can trip a 20A breaker if you push them. More powerful residential appliances like electric ovens and dryers have dedicated 240V circuits, since that's what's actually supplied to residences. I have 240V-50A for proper shop tools.

>>1984036
Wye vs. delta.

>>1984036
>>1983865
EU has three-phase power lines, and this means that at least four wires, L1, L2, L3 and N, supply you with power. Each line is 1/3 in phase apart form the others, that's why it's 400V inter-phase but 230V phase to neutral. The protective neutral (green-yellow one) is either real ground or connected to neutral past RCD.
Normally we use 230V (L-N), 400V (Lx-Ly) is used mostly for high-power devices, e.g. a welder or a concrete mixer.
Typically all circuits are split so that each phase is loaded similarly. That's why a cooker uses more phases - so it can load each phase separately with 2kW rather than pull 6kW on a single one.

>>1983903
> I don't think we use copper wire until it's inside a building. Then it's all copper, or copper coated aluminum.
Oh shit...
That was what the commies did in my country, install aluminium wires for these are cheaper, but also crappy as fuck.
Hope you're not seriously stuck with this, or else… well, just enjoy you occasional fire due to degrading aluminium wiring.

>>1983726
fucking This!

>>1983729
they aren' allowed to have real tools like those in yuroland

Oh boy a yurpoor vs. Mutt thread.

Fucking faggot yurps. Mind your own God damn business you homosexuals.

>>1983749
clearly not

Complete newfag here. I am looking for a power strip for (10) German sockets that I can attach to the bottom of my desk and connect my pc and lights to. I have been reading about safety hazards and I am now extremely paranoid that something will short circuit or catch fire. Do I really need a surge protector? How come American power strips/surge protectors are so much more common and compact. I refuse to buy chink shit off amazon. I read about this German brand called brennstuhl that seems to be the go to for this but even they are getting a lot of hate online from what I've seen. I just want my electronics to be safe bros. Anyone have advice?

>>1984070
copper coated is fine. The inside of the cables are a waste of space due to skin effect

>>1984107
How would a power strip short circuit anything? Dont worry, its just your inadequacy showing through. You might trip a sicherung if you attach too much load to one wallsocket. Only thing that would short circuit anything is if you short circuit by dropping loose metal into it or well.. you know what a short circuit is right?

>>1984107
Just your PC and lights? it will be fine. Surge protectors are just MOVs and a resistor+capacitor snubber. Unless you are in a region where the utility company really sucks you are perfectly ok even with chinkshit. Just go to bauhaus and buy whatever fits

>>1984123
I'm not sure if short circuit was the right term there. I don't know much about electrical circuits or outlets. I read about a lot of people in the States attaching power strips under their desks and a lot of them recommended surge protectors to prevent the plugged devices (pc especially) from getting fucked by a large current. I just want to get something that will reliably and safely supply power to all my devices without risking damage to my first ever pc build.
That's all.

>>1984124
It's just a pc and lights and some smaller devices (phone charger, amp etc). I think I'll still avoid chinkshit because fuck trusting gooks with electrical safety standards. I'll take a look online to find something reliable, guess I won't have to worry about surge protectors then. Thanks.

>>1983531
What kind of poorfag appliances you own? My dishwasher pulls 600 watts

>>1983993
Europeans dont even know they have 3phase, they think they have 400v on one phase.

>>1984166
>My dishwasher pulls 600 watts
lmao I hope you are kidding. How long does it take for it to finish. 24h?

>>1984172
>Europeans dont even know they have 3phase, they think they have 400v on one phase.
Just how illiterate are you americuts

Houses in Europe are supplied with 4 wires, L1, L2, L3 and N. The phase-phase voltage is 400V and used for power hungry appliences like heavy tools or care chargers or snow melting.
Phase-Neutral is 240V and is used for general stuff.

Jesus kristus I thought the meme about americans being dumb was just a meme

You should check out this other anons post too >>1984070 You will learn something

>>1984153
get whatever fits at bauhaus, you are over complicating something that should not be this complicated.

>>1984175
>giving me yous when it's the other eurofag that's dumb as shit

>>1983531
What a unique cope.
What's your major mental malfunction, numbnuts?

>>1984175
Okay.... after living in Germany, South Korea, Australia, and the US I have to say the US electrical system is dumb. But not because the 1500 watt limit any given household appliance. Our plugs are retarded and I liked the utility of having a switch on the outlet.

In my panel I have 15, 20, 30, and 50 amp breakers.

The choice to use split phase 240 and divide it into 120 was made because the US designed it's electrical frid without major worries over resource scarcity. Europe, and the rest of the world, made electrical grids with resource scarcity in mind. Higher voltage, lower wire gauge.

And.... since you are a subject matter expert would you mind explaining the utility of a ring mains?

>>1983531
>Does the lack of power give you any trouble in your daily lives?
My house is older and has some weird wiring on what is connected to some breakers. In the summer if I'm using my PC and a wall air conditioner unit, if someone tries to use the microwave in the kitchen directly below my room it'll trip the breaker every fucking time.

>>1984212
Your weird wiring is too much load on one breaker.
Break it up a little bit

>>1984209
>But not because the 1500 watt limit any given household appliance
is this real

>>1984229
Sort of. 120v x 13a. (15a plug is the nominal spec, but an individual device should limit itself to 13a continuous)

But anything like a oven or water heater or most AC units are on a 240v plug.

You know how I test if a wire is live? I touch it with my finger. The little tingle tells me if it's hot or not. Do that with your 240v systems you fuckin' EUROFAGS, see how long it takes before your ass is grass.

>>1984242
the memes really do write themself

>>1984242
You should put your hand on something metal while doing that, otherwise you might get a false negative.

>>1984248
>false negative
We're talking about ac here boy, just use your other hand

>>1983531
it prevents your products from being sold here realistically. japan only uses 100 v for their stuff and people sometimes buy jap stuff. a singe high watt resistor and you made your own converter. or you buy one and find out thats all they did

way more complicated trying to boost voltage and ensure it gets enough current at the same time. just face it your not that bright

>>1983772
>I probably can't even find your shithole county on a map kek
that's embarrassing, though

>>1983891
kek
actually believing this

>>1984209
>ring mains
do anglos really do this? what the fuck

>>1984333
quite clever actually

>>1984344
why not two radial circuits?

>>1984350
i dont know

>>1984350
Because the white would have to be thicker and therefore more expensive. Duh.
Post wartime hardships radicals are becoming increasingly common in high demand rooms like kitchen, utility (washer/drier) but cardboard house companies that throw up the cheapest shit housing schemes still use rings in to squeeze every penny out.
The patrician choice is of course to install whatever solution fits the application.

>>1984357
>Because the white would have to be thicker and therefore more expensive. Duh.
No? You would need to use two breakers but the wire could be even smaller depending on how you balance the load

>>1984361
A room or as house is usually a closed shape, as in if you run a wire around it likelihood is you end up pretty close to where you started.
The cost of a small bit of extra wire to close the loop is cheaper than to do the whole run in a thicker wire.
Because of the higher voltage it's pretty common to do a whole floor or even a whole small house in a single ring, run one wire right around all the rooms in one big loop, end up back at the breaker.
I'm not going to argue with you I dont have the calculations used on hand, if you want to post an example I'd be interested to see your argument but it was done to save copper because of the war, they didn't just do it for fun and I doubt it was done without very careful consideration
The problem with balancing the load is people dont want to balance loads, they want to plug in a whole load of shit wherever they like and dont care about the physics of it

>>1984034
retard, edison didn’t discover electricity. he didn’t even make the first electric motor. he made the lightbulb and the radio. jesus, are you so dumb you can’t read a fucking wikipedia article?

>>1984409
>edison
>invented radio
Marconi would like a word with you.

>>1983531

>>1984450
>edison
>invented radio
>Marconi would like a word with you.
Tesla has something he'd like to tell all of you.

>>1984399
I said what if you do two smaller circuits instead of a ring, not using a single pass of thick wire

>>1983648
cursed image

>>1984175
>Houses in Europe are supplied with 4 wires, L1, L2, L3 and N.
I 100% doubt regular single-family dwellings have 3 phase. I bet you live in a fucking apartment.

>>1984709
But they are
No house build past the 40sis single phase

>>1984556
>all of those grammatical errors

>>1984719
> But they are
+1

>>1984709
> I 100% doubt regular single-family dwellings have 3 phase.
It's literally impossible to get a single phase to any address, at least in Poland. The distribution company is forced by law to deliver 3 phases to a each plot (i.e. single piece of land owned by some specific entity).
You can, however, ask the distribution company to to pay for using one phase only, but they will agree for that only if you're not going to use more than 25A.

It works so that you initially ask the company for pulling wires to your premises (you pay for this), and on the basis of what you want and the whereabouts the distribution company decides how thick the wires are. They usually overestimate. The wires end in a box owned by the company that is placed on your plot (pic related).
Anytime you have the wires (and no sooner) you can fill a form called 'connection conditions' where you state maximum current you'll draw (depending on the max. current, you pay a fixed fee monthly). When the company you buy power form will agree then they put a resettable fuse for that specific current in the box (you have access to these fuses, but they're sealed so that you can't replace them).
Sometimes in old blocks of flats they put, round robin, a single phase to a single flat. But then people asked to change the connection conditions for that flat to a three-phase, for they wanted more power than 1x25A (e.g., a kettle + washing machine + hair dryer was enough to trip the fuse).
And in some old building the distribution company denies to change the agreement, for either the connection to the building or the wiring inside the building is too weak for this (and on demand they give you an estimate how much money would it cost to upgrade). This typically happens when a whole block of flats wants to change from gas to induction, as no one anticipated doubling the power usage.

>>1984709
> Let me tell you about your country

I have 240 for the central A/C, that you don't have, the electric dryer, the stove, and my workshop welder at 120,000 watts. My cost is 9.1 cents per kW/h. Go cry now. Oh, petrol is $1.93 ...a gallon. Eat my ass Europ. Fuck nigger and trannies. Gas kikes.

>>1983599
at least for vacuums that was a good thing.

instead of using a cheap fan and motor compensating its inefficients throught power had to get theit shit together.

the new vacuums have more suction are quieter and draw less energy because they had to desigh better fans and airflow.

>>1984781
>the new vacuums have more suction are quieter and draw less energy because they had to desigh better fans and airflow.
They intentionally made the vacuums inefficient.
All everyone looked at when buying a new vacuum was the watt rating. So a worse vacuum that wastes more power sells better.

>>1983729
My welder in my residential workshop is wired to 50A. X 240V. No, I'm not a ship builder.

>>1983531
What I want to know is why we transmit AC power at such low frequencies. Higher frequencies would be easier to transform and be out of the audible range for considerations of interference.

>>1984795
Because then more power starts to radiate away into the air.

>>1983531
>Why are americuts so afraid of POWER?

Wooden houses

the only place I've ever seen a breaker trip due to pulling too much power out of a circuit during "normal" use in the US is those paint and sip places where you'll have drunk middle aged women running ten hair dryers on one string of outlets to dry their paintings. aside from that it's just not an issue.

>>1984783
why would you need to be a ship builder? that's a completely normal setup for a welder in somebody's garage. you just need what most people call a "dryer outlet" and you're good to go.

>>1985072
My circular saw already draws 1500W. Add a vac and I'd already trip a fuse in America.

No wonder you guys shill for the battery jew all the time.

>>1985075
I don't understand people like you who sit around all day complaining about things you will literally never do - and if you did them, it wouldn't be a problem for anyone else or even a problem for you

what are you going to do, faggot? you're going to fly over here with your saw and vacuum and run both at the same time, just to watch a breaker trip? and then what? you're going to walk over to the breaker and reset it, then not run both the saw and the vac at the same time? cry me a fucking river. what a nightmare scenario this is for you, and what a complete waste of my time replying to you has been. have a nice day.

>>1985095
lol wat

You do know that it's a very normal thing to have a vac running with your saw to suck up all the sawdust the saw creates?

>>1985075
In this fucking big brain thread, I learned that cordless tools are a jewish trick.

>>1984781
>its a good thing they didn't use cheap inexpensive parts.

>>1983732
>the regulations in Europa says [...] at least 6 outlets behind the TV
Are you allowed to put a TV somewhere that doesn't have the 6 outlets?

>>1983531
it's mostly because the average American is stupider then the average European and 120v is less likely to kill them when they do stupid shit.

>>1985297

Lel, I actually asked my local wiring inspector about this (just a guy who comes around once or twice a year to make sure everything is proper, like a chimney sweep) and he told me I'd need a certification for the guest bedroom outlet if I wanted to put a TV in it. I instead opted to install a single-use (?) outlet that wouldn't accept an extension cord

>>1985297
The regulations about placement of outlets are actually enforceable only from a company that builds houses/apartments, for it's prosecuted on request.
So if you bought a new apartment and there are too few outlets per m2, or if there outlets are too far apart, or placed too high / low / too close to water source in kitchen/bathroom, or of wrong technical parameters, or badly divided into fused circuits etc., then you can force the company that build the house to make it right.

Apart form this, you're totally fine with absolutely anything in your house.

In public buildings, offices, shops etc. the building administrator can get a high fine for either not doing electrical inspection regularly or not fixing the problems indicated during such an inspection in a timely manner.
Inspecting the wiring is compulsory for all buildings, but there is no fine for skipping the checks for private buildings.

In your house, if you don't follow your rules, the worst thing that can happen is that when anything goes wrong (one gets electrocuted, hours burns down) then if the harm was done because you did not complying with rules, then you won't get insurance or, if someone else lost health/property, you'll be prosecuted.

>>1983749
Do murricans not realize most european houses have 400v appliances?

>>1984795
Because X=L*omega. The higher the frequency the higher is the inductive resistance which is the main type resistance in the high voltage distribution grid. Also increasing the frequency from 50Hz the electrical strength of air starts to decrease due to something something electrons moving and something something leftover ions from the last period(can't remember properly, gotta study for the exam) so isolators would arc over at a lower voltage. Also the skin effect starts fucking things up at higher frequencies.

>>1984795
transmission losses. High frequency is used in ships and planes to allow the use of smaller motors and transformers. (400hz) usually

>>1984166
>>1984175
There are two types of dishwashers:
>ones that use hot water
>ones that use cold water they heat up themselfes
The pump of a dishwasher barely uses any power, let's some 100-200W at most.
What realy draws power is the heating element, the second type usualy has a much more powerfull heating element as it needs to bring cold water up to temperature instead of keeping hot water at a certain temperature.
The 600W dishwasher probably is the type that needs a hot water supply to work properly.

Here's the thing Amerilards love to forget.

For the same output power...
At 120V you need double the input current.
If you have a 1200W device it needs 10A at 120V but only a mere 5A at 240V.

Why does this matter?
Less current lowers the I^2R losses which not only results in better efficiency since you're wasting less power as heat but also a lower risk of fire as well since there's less risk of overheating. Additional since the current draw is lower you can use smaller and cheaper components for high power devices as they don't need to be able to sink as much current

And Amerilards, who cares of you technically have 240V on one or two outlets in your house? Your system will always be shit till you have 240V on every outlet

>>1984782
>All everyone looked at when buying a new vacuum was the watt rating.

kind of like stereo equipment?

>>1983726
>Because that was the standard in the US 100+ years ago before yuropes even heard of electricity.
burger education everyone!

>>1983891
>The US has the safest electrical code in the world.

>>1983619
>, I ran a 240v/30a
kek, imagine using FUCKIN 30 A in house wires. my main breaker would open. this isn't a 12v car where you need such absurds currents (starter, glowplugs, radiator fan...), cuz in car you are llimited by car battery 12v output and P=U.I (unless car producers will start installing converters to higher voltages). If you had used 400V multiphase it would draw much less amps. stuff like this (stove, heater, table saw, welder, concrete mixer...) runs on 3phase 400V in europe

Here in brazil we have special outlets for showers because they are usually 5-15kw. The same for kitchen water heaters and other heavy stuff. Because of reasons in São Paulo and some other states they use 110V instead of 220V and if memory does not fail they connect the shower using the line voltage to avoid having an anaconda in their walls

>>1985546
>>1985546
Back int he early 1900s when electrification started some regions got American companies while others got European companies and because no one in their right minds wants to replace transformers. (settling on outlet standard was hard enough) we have this mess. It is the same reason why south america has 50Hz and 60Hz countries. Paraguay and Brazil share the itaipu dam but because paraguay's economy is based in smuggling goods they do not use a lot of power, we have to rectify the 7 GW we buy from them and send them to São paulo just because they are 50Hz and we are 60hz

>>1985549
red is 220v, blue is 110v.

>>1985546
What is the reason Brazil uses electrocution showers? Why not just hook it up to the hot water tank?

>>1985556
>>1985556
Cities rarely have gas lines and the shower is pretty much the only place were hot water is required. We do not have hot water tanks.
>what about the stove
Most use 13kg propane tanks and apartments have a gas central which takes gas from the network (if it exists) or buy larger tanks every week/month for the internal gas network as each aparment having a gas tank is a dangerous things.

>>1984450
A Slovak priest from Wilkes Barre would like to have a word from you.

>>1984795
100hz would be a blessing for people 50hz countries who are sensitive to flicker.

60hz can still be noticable, but severity is less common.

>>1984795
No, we should be using HVDC instead.

>>1985721
That would be based as it would shed weight and cost to some of my builds. If I could get 400V out of the wall that would be dope.

>>1985509
nobody uses 3 phase 400v in residential you fuckin cocksucker, eat shit. the main breakers are rated for 200-400 amps. maybe get an america one if your shitty european one can't handle 30 amps

>>1985741
>nobody uses 3 phase 400v in residential you fuckin cocksucker,
But they do.

>>1985741
>nobody uses 3 phase 400v
yes they do you nigger. All residential houses are supplied with 400V. It is most common to take out only 230V though just like in usa where it is most common to take out 110V even though the supply is 230V. Some people wire up 400V outlets because they use tools that require it or car charges. Just the same as some americans wire up 230V for power hungry shit. Although in usa it seems that even a pussy ass kettle is konsidered power hungry HAHAHA lmao lol :----DDDDD

>>1983599
they banned high power vacuum cleaners
now you can buy very expensive high end low power shit vacs or just buy cheap 'commercial' vac outside retarded regulation
they banned incandescent bulbs long time ago, still available in stores, some other loophole
EU forgot that they don't have monopoly on jewish tricks

>>1985755
>. Although in usa it seems that even a pussy ass kettle is konsidered power hungry HAHAHA lmao lol :----DDDDD

This is one of the funnier burger memes. I've never been outside of america, and I've never known anyone who thought their kitchen needed more power to boil water. I wonder if americans who go abroad come back with a different attitude, and miss those high powered tea kettles.

>>1985741
>400 amps
HOLY FUCKING SHIT, ABSOLUTE KEK. most main here are 3x25a, 3x40a if you are really demanding. due to P=U.I you absolute retards need such absurd current, wasting a plenty of copper, all that for... excess heat dissipation due to resistive losses, lmao
>nobody uses 3phase in residential
my cellar has it for table saw and old welder, same for garage, my flow-through water heater in kitchen uses 3phase. pic rel. cope harder powerlet

>>1985759
Kettles seem like a stupid concept anyway. If I need to boil water I either do it on a pot on the stove if it's for food or in a teapot. Why would you get a purpose designed appliance for boiling water when your stove does it just fine and can be used for so much more? And the stoves are 240V in America by the way so same power as some shitty kettle. Stoves are better anyway since the water doesn't directly touch the heating element so your water doesn't end up tasting metallic.

>>1983799
400V is three phase in Europe
plugs and sockets are too bulky for domestic use, thats why we hardwire appliances that us them

>>1985759
>high powered tea kettles.
https://youtu.be/-fDM9Eb16Do

>>1985769
he's living the life.

>>1985767
Because they're convenient and fast for things like a quick cup of tea. Pot with water on a stove takes longer to boil (I'm guessing because there's more mass to heat up and more thermal losses)

>>1985767
much faster

>>1985756
Incandescent bulbs are illegal in the us too. They had to be made more energy efficient. So instead of 100w bulbs you can buy 95. Instead of 60w you can. Ut 57w. Etc. They just dropped the power s Tiny bit for each size category

>>1985759
We usually microwave water if we need for tea or asap. Everyone has a microwave.

If you need a lot of water you put it on the range in a pot.

If you really like tea or soup you might get a japanese style hot water pot where the water is always hot.

>>1985785
Are you complaining or just stating a fact? why on earth you would want Incandescent bulbs?
Yeah they are still sold for legacy things and special uses but for homes? What the fuck

>>1985787
They look much nicer and dim much better. I havent gone back yet but I have really considered it. Paying $100 for a bulb with half decent temperature and CRI and ability to din is fucking insane. I got 6 lights in my living room.

I was stating a fact that incandescents were also made illegal in the us and also gotten around with a loophole

>>1985790
Ok, yes they "look" much better, that is why they are the CRI reference value. But also consume 10x more than a LED for the same amount of light. And decent LEDs cost a couple dollars only here.

>>1985073
Dryer outlet is 30 amps, not 50 amps

>>1983531
In the states we have the freedom to install any amp breaker we want. Any voltage setup we want too.

>>1985802
Well sort of. Sometimes the power company says that'll be $30,000 to bring three phase to your playhouse because they want to make you pay for a new transformer and all the work from a to z

>>1985803
>make you pay for a new transformer
Many residential areas don't have all three phases on every street anyway, so it would cost a fortune and they would probably just refuse to run three phase to an ordinary house.

>>1985761
>>400 amps
>HOLY FUCKING SHIT, ABSOLUTE KEK. most main here are 3x25a, 3x40a if you are really demanding.
The building where I live has 4 apartments, and was rebuilt and rewired in '60s as part of low-cost war restoration effort and has since then 3x100A mains (230V/400V obviously). So if it had 2 phases of 120V each, the equivalent fuses were 2x275A. So 200A÷400A might not that far off.
3x40A at 230V is 2x110A at 120V. Already this is ridiculously many amps. I wonder if one could MMA weld without a transformer on such mains.

>>1985767
Kettles are much more cost-effective than resistive electric cookers. The latter consume lots of power to heat themselves and that power is wasted, and it takes a lot of time to heat up the cooker itself.
If you have gas or induction, then it does not really make a difference how you boil water, both in terms of price and time.
> Stoves are better anyway since the water doesn't directly touch the heating element so your water doesn't end up tasting metallic.
Or you can just buy a modern kettle... I don't recall how many years ago did I saw an electric kettle that had the spiral heating element rather than stainless steel plate on the bottom.

>>1985785
> Incandescent bulbs are illegal in the us too.
Illegal for household use only.
So, at least in Poland, you can buy normal incandescent bulbs everywhere, these just got rebranded to either "shockproof version" or "for special use" or "for traffic lights".
The good thing is that the "ban" really made people switch from incandescent bulbs to LEDs that just are better, while the market still offers the same stock. So it's a win-win.

>>1985818
>I don't recall how many years ago did I saw an electric kettle that had the spiral heating element rather than stainless steel plate on the bottom.
Sometimes I use this when I need a bucket of hot water or something like that.

>>1985785
Not to use but they're a waste of juice even by trivially cheap US power prices.
We don't have to be efficient and my bill only changes if I run the fuck out of my compressors and welders. Legacy shit simply is not a problem when electricity (and petrol) are so cheap we have more than we know what to do with. I've had to mop up spilled electrons when they puddle on my lawn after seeping through old mains cables.

>>1985785
What, no they're not. All the bulbs in my house are incandescent and I can buy more at Wal-mart or Home Depot no problem.

>>1985842
Fucking hell.

They made old 60w bulbs illegal in 2014, but you can still buy 43w bulbs because they took the place of them.

>>1983531
>Does the lack of power give you any trouble in your daily lives?

I have 2 space heaters, a 50 inch tv, a 30 inch crt, a strong pc, a kettle, a shitstant pot, a soldering station, a desoldering station, a hot air station, an arcade test station, scopes and diagnostic equipment, and a water heater/cooler.

They can all run at the same time on the same circuit and I do not understand the "lack of power" you're retarding about.

>>1985868
I'm pretty sure most of the incandescent bulbs I have are mostly 60W or 75W. I am using one LED bulb in the house but everything else is incandescent and I have a big tub of spare 60W bulbs in the basement.

>>1985556
as >>1985564 said
UK uses electric showers for different reasons, our water tanks were low pressure not suitable for showering back in the day, we have high pressure tanks and combi boilers now but legacy systems and electric showers still remain
Personally I keep electric shower despite having high pressure system because it gives me redundancy
when boiler broke I kept house warm with fireplace and showered in warm water
made it through weekend easy
I'll remove it when I get attached garage done, will put electric shower and move downstairs toilet there