/diy/ - Do It Yourself

small torx screws strip far less than small phillips or hex screws

You're using the wrong size, a really shitty screwdriver, or you use way too much torque

If you're using the right sized bit the bit will break before the screw strips. In fairness though if people used the proper sized phillips or flat bits those would strip far less often.

>>1905625
>torx
>"specialized"
>"designed to strip"
10/10 retard, congratulations. Probably used allen to unscrew them, too.

>>1905644
>>1905639
>>1905641
i bought a stupid ass set for this exact size, a tiny t3 torx screw and i still stripped one. what the fuck do you expect to happen when there's a quarter of a mm of steel to fill the lands? and I'M the retard when you think there's an allen key big enough to fit in a fucking t3 slot, fuck you

>>1905641
flathead are literally impossible to strip, every screw should be a flathead

>>1905645
You used force, didn't you?
With tiny screws like that. the moment you feel any resistance at all, you must stop or else you're over tightening them.

>>1905656
i was unscrewing it though

>>1905654
I've stripped flatheads.

>>1905658
how does that work.

>>1905662
Be a sparky, you wouldn't believe what they can achieve

>>1905662
shit metal screw with a good screwdriver and a to strong arm is not that good

>>1905657
Was it stuck?

>>1905670
dunno, i had never unscrewed it before. it was set pretty deep in and i had to press in to deform the plastic around it to get it in, but even the ones that i could get easily had some amount of stripping

I'd rather deal with torx than these little bastards, especially on exterior wood screws. My success rate for removing these is abysmal.

>>1905678
Robertson master race.

>>1905662
old flatheads have a narrow slot that fits a hollow ground screwdriver blade
new screwdrivers are taper ground and usually too thick and dont really fit the slot, so on old shit sometimes youre only twisting on the very top edge. This edge often strips on stainless
>use a narrower driver
well, those exist but the ones with proper thickness are usually not wide enough, so you strip out anyway

i got a carp where only hollow ground drivers work on the screws

I discovered today that apparently T20 and TX20 aren't the same thing. I was okay with torx but this is pretty fucked.

>>1905654
>flathead
It's called a slotted screw, or standard screw. Fucking Mexicant.

>>1905625
>you have to buy a specialized gay ass little screwdriver set
The presence of torx used to anoy me for that reason until I actually had the screwdrivers and bits. Now I prefer them over all the rest.

>>1905645
Something somewhere fucked up. Torx takes relatively high force to strip, so either the bolts were cheese grade, the driver wasn't the right type or size or was very low quality, or the bolts were totally seized, or you were approaching the hole from a bad angle. T3 is really fucking tiny so it does not take a lot of force and wiggling to mess it up.
>>1905714
T20 and TX20 should be the same thing. Torx Plus is the new type of Torx and it should be labelled with TP.

>>1905639
This

Torx are objectively better than phillips or slotted and every fucking screwdriver kit comes with torx bits.

>>1905644
+1

>>1905741
>T20 and TX20 should be the same thing
Maybe that was because the bits weren't the same brand, but I was supposed to drill short self drilling screws into aluminium and the T20 was so wobbly it was impossible. Meanwhile the TX20 was rock solid.

>>1905639
>small torx screws strip far less than small phillips or hex screws
No. Flat head is the only screw that doesn't strip. Torx is the worst offender after hex.

>>1905715
Based future Walmart shooter

>>1905684
Masochist

>>1905715
I've only heard "slotted" a few times and never "standard"
t. Midwesterner

>>1905877
Same in California. Flathead screws are slotted, not actually referring to the shape of the head. Hlwhich is dumb, I've started caring them slotted

Fuck standard.

>>1905741
how would a low quality screwdriver strip a screw

>>1905741
do you see the amount of material that must be stripped off a phillips head screw to strip it vs the amount to strip a torx? how in the fuck is the torx more resistant? that doesn't make any sense

>>1905900
Phillips are easy to (partially) slip out of, which can cause stripping. It's pretty much impossible with Torx.

>>1905900
the 3d profile of PH/PZ is angled, incline plane is a simple machine pushing the driver out of the screw, the 2d profile you can see creates sharp points which stress and break much more easily than the rounded edges of T.
if you havent tried it i suggest you do, its absolutely incredible how much torque you can put on a tiny T screwdriver in a machine screw without slipping or chowdering it right to fuck

>>1905900
>do you see the amount of material that must be stripped off a phillips head screw to strip it vs the amount to strip a torx?

It has little to do with how much material is between engagement points, because, once the material has started failing, it just gets worse from there. What matters is how evenly stress is put on it.

Phillips and slotted are terrible for this. They have huge pressure points where the driver engages the screw, which leads to less overall durability. Geometries like torx and hex distribute force more evenly, meaning they can handle more torque.

Go look at a spline head screw/bolt. Using the caveman-tier logic of "more material = always better" they should be trash. But the reality is that spline heads (and similar variants, like 12-point) are used almost exclusively on high-grade fasteners that are expected to see forces sufficient to do things like deform the rest of the screw (as you often see with head bolts on engines). It's such a stupidly strong geometry that, assuming good fit between the driver and fastener, it's nearly as strong as a solid piece of steel of similar cross section.

Even ignoring that Phillips, by design, tries to eject the driver from the fastener, the fact is that it's not suitable for high-torque applications. You could easily argue that the only reason it's still used is because it's just what people expect to see. Next to slotted, it's simply the worst of the fastener designs readily available right now.

>>1905945
Slotted is better than Philip's. If you think otherwise you haven't been using the write driver.

Fite me

Their is no god

>>1905625
You're using the wrong bit.

>>1905625
>you

>>1905795
Well you're wrong but whatever

>>1905654
Slow down satan. What do you have against efficient design?

>>1905684
Came here to post this.
They are objectively superior fasteners.

>>1905654
You clearly haven't taken apart enough stuff with old screw heads that's been seized for 50 years.

>>1906853
A little Kroil, a little heat, and a few ugga-duggas, and pretty much everything comes apart.

>>1906857
Yeah, no

>>1905625
Oh yeah? Then try unscrewing little shits with a fucking 2mm hex drive! I got some of them out by pressing a layer of paper into the drive but some I had to drill the fuck out. Of course my boss is on my case since I told him that I can repair the device in no time since I didn't expect to loose time unscrewing some fucking screws!

>>1907207
I had tons of issues stripping dirty set screws before I got a set of bondhus allen keys. Lesser brands are shit at 3mm and smaller.

>>1905654
>putting in a flathead screw with a drill
I would just use nails at that point

>>1905684
leaf here, agreed

>>1905715
Everyone calls them straightheads here

>>1906131
>crosses you're path

>>1905625
>Thinking that torx is anti-consumer
Clearly you’ve never met these fuckers.

I bought a torx set for my car. Chevy loves them I guess

>>1907385
Well shit like that is gay "security key" design where it's impossible to actually get a tool for it so it deters thieves. Why the fuck a thief would want to open up a fluorescent light fixture is beyond me.

Oh, I wanted exactly this thread, I thought at least. I want to buy a bunch of M2-M3 screws for tinkering with 3d prints and such. Mainly M3, though, but some very small ones for special cases.
Wondered which kind of head I should be going for. Now I see people here fighting over it: *sad*
Why has every step in life be difficult?!? So now one really knows, there's no right or wrong, I might jst pick them on a whim. I was mainly going for hex or some cross like +, mostly flat head. I also like the ones which have a bigger round head to be moved with a gripper, but not with a pattern for a hex key on the outside, rather with some pattern for random grippers.

>>1907207
Life is getting hard in the world of watch repair.... seriously though man most of use work with fasteners that won’t travel a football field when sneezed at..

>>1907405
It’s not an anti theft thing it’s liability.. if you open it up and it kills you then they can argue you went through excessive steps to open it up and they are not liable for it killing the hell out of you since they tried their hardest to make it not come apart.

Robertson #2s are the bees knees

At least you can unscrew most of those.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAeLy26ZjEE

>>1905625
Got a free 10 in 1 multitool when I bought a bicycle and it handles this just fine. Apparently it's for security, because it's harder to steal shit off your bike when it needs a weird screwdriver.

I don't know your pain OP.

>>1907385
The worst are the screws where the drive is designed to break off once they're screwed in.
A lot of power strips use them.

>>1905639
This.
You have to be a complete fucking retard to strip a torx screw.
That said, I still hate them

>>1905625
torx > philips

>>1905684
I'm in the US doing fine woodworking and we use these wherever possible. Robinson lets you get real purchase on the screw. You can even hold a screw on your screwdriver without a magnet, freeing up a hand. Sometimes when I remove a screw, it gets stuck on the end of my driver and I have to tap it off.

But if I were doing construction with an impact and not pre-drilling everything, I would probably use Torx.

>>1906857
>ugga dugga
Kys

>>1905625
Welcome to the 21st century gramps. It aint 1962 anymore.

>>1905625
wait, what's this?

>>1905625
Torx doesn't usualy strip.
I've had torx bits breaking appart from too much torque, they didn't strip.
Either you used the wrong size or shitty bits, wich is an issue especialy with small screws like T3 or so.

Spline>Torx>Hex>Pozidriv>JIS>flathead>Phillips

>>1905625
>>1906131
>>1907385
Nothing personnel, kids

I had a homeowner call me back because he wanted me to fix an outlet with stripped screws in it, I got there and they were just torx screws

>>1908589
you can turn those by hammering a sharp chisel into the edge to form a flat bit where you can start hammering something to turn it.
it's a pain in the ass but these are only effective for deterring niggers trying to crack open ATMs and other brainless attackers.

>>1909070

I see them most on public bathroom stall doors, I'm guessing methed out retards try to steal those and sell them or something?

mortorq > everything else

>>1908589
Jesus Christ.
I've heard of these but never seen one that I can think of.

Talk about stripping screws.
8 rails in floor for seats ~30 M10 bolts, with big ass truss head for extra friction and really shallow torx 35 (and i mean shallow). They go straight trough floor and of course are rusted af, because someone thought it's great idea to have black oxide finish for bolts.
Why would you go trough such a hassle as unscrewing them all?
Because some french dipshit decided that fuel pump is only accessible from inside, under the floor.
All in all torx is fine for smaller fasteners.

>>1905900
it's not about the amount of material, it's about load distributions. the torx has more points of contact so the same force is distributed to a smaller amount of stress. also torx is more standardized, most people strip phillips because they're using the wrong size and profile.

phillips also have an interface that creates a normal force out of plane to the applied load so it causes it to pop out. see the attached to understand what phillips would look like if it was not designed to force the screwdriver out at a given torque value like it is designed to. it's called a torc-set.

so torx are clearly superior to phillips, phillips were only created for drooling retards. real engineers use hex and torx 90% of the time.

>>1905625
>torx is specialised
>torx is not one of the least likely to strip of all
you're a fucking retard and should be banned from posting here

>>1907385
i have a huge batch of reasonably small flathead screwdrivers, i have come across these quite a few times and i can always find a small flathead driver that fits just right... until the center post finally breaks of and i can jam a hex in the hole. works 10/10

JIS is superior tho, when it comes to strippage
no, im not a weeb

If any screw is a problem
You are a retard

>>1912217
I need DIN 903 and a translation.

>>1912360
Countersunk drill tap screw

>>1905625
Canadians have a Flat, a Phillips, and the canadian screwdriver, plus now the torx

>>1905714
machinist here.

insert type carbide tooling often have tiny inserts with decimal sizes of Torx.
T15 T12 T10 is big inserts,
T9 T8 medium
FUCKING T3.5 torx flag where the fuck is it?

>>1907385
pentalobe apple race shit batshit crazy weak ass potmetal 5 sided star screwdrivers are Made to ruin the screw by design

>>1905645
It seems like square or Robinson head would be better for really small screws since you’d have more metal but still getting a lot of force on the corners.

>>1905945
>because it's just what people expect to see.
That’s my theory. Phillips a shit

>>1911688
I have a square bit I ground to a triangle which works pretty good.

That's why they're called
>Jew Screws
Amirite?

>>1905795
Robertson.

wouldn't the best high torque design necessarily be genderless especially with both screw head and screwdriver material being equal
im sure genderless would have other advantages at least

>>1912590
no.

>>1912217
911 and 900 are the same thing right?

>>1905678
Careful man, the Canadians’ll get you if you start shittalking Robbies.

>>1907636
Red Robby poster knows what’s up

>>1912217
Is this like a German meme or something?

>>1910046
Industrial/commercial washrooms.

Anyplace you expect a dickhead to try and take it apart, because they're having a Simian Moment.

>>1912779
it was invented as a Aprils fool by Mahle engineers

>>1912360

>>1912902

>>1912903

>>1905684
That, they are

>>1905625
You are a literal retard.
Torx screws are second in popularity only to phillips screws, for a lot of applications, and they are literally superior to phillips screws in every way, other than in applications where you want the screwdriver to cam out before overtightening (also the thing that makes phillips screws STRIP). Torx screws WILL BREAK before getting stripped out, because they don't allow any camout, UNLESS YOU ARE USING THE WRONG SIZE/KIND OF SCREWDRIVER, WHICH YOU PROBABLY DID, BECAUSE YOU ARE A RETARD.
I literally only buy torx screws for exterior and interior construction, except for drywall, for reasons that you might understand when you're a grown-up. They just work better. They don't wobble. They don't cam out. And, they don't strip.
Basically every box of 1/4" impact/screwdriver bits comes with basically every size of torx bit you'll ever need, and you can get cheap ass sets of allen key-style torx keys at harbor freight.
No excuse for being this stupid.

>>1907636
this

>>1912916
I never stripped a Torx screw but I've stripped multiple Torx bits.

>>1912916
this the problem is you can fit a T20 Bit in a T25 Screw

>>1912935
they wear out pretty fast but i put them in my drill spin them and then slightly touch my Bench grinder you can do this 1 or 2 times until you reach the back portion which becomes thicker.

>>1905625
I once came upon a box of PHZ screws with a PHZ bit, they claim to work with PH, PZ and the bit with PH and PZ screws which i think they do very poorly.

But the bit and the screws together topped every other drive system,
this is why good screws often come with 1 or 2 bits inside the packaging.

>>1913342
>this the problem is you can fit a T20 Bit in a T25 Screw
>HURR IF MONKE CAN FIT SMALL PEG IN BIG HOLE, MONKE TURN SCREW, MONKE BREAK SCREW, MONKE NOT HAPPE.
Stop being a retard. Use the biggest screwdriver that fits. If you think you've got it, try the next size up, and if it doesn't fit, you've got the right size.

>>1913344
In the future, every screw will come with its own proprietary patented screwdriver. It will be a glorious utopia.

this is the master race bit. prove me wrong

>>1913354
>long unsupported ridges that will bend or break easily
No wonder the master race lost the war.

>>1911635
>>buying a french vehicle
Not even once

>>1905625
>they're designed to fucking strip
end of discussion

>>1905654
nice troll post
t. someone who hates flatheads with passion

>>1912902
>>1912903
>>1912913
Thanks, mate

>>1905625
literally every socket set and most bit sets come with torx. its not the screws fault youre awful

>>1912782
To be honest, I can't for the life of me figure out why the stalls in the restroom at my office are assembled with these. Is there really a problem with employees having a mental breakdown while taking a shit break and dismantling the stalls?

>>1905625
>specialized gay ass little screwdriver set

literally any screw driver set has torx screws in them , aslo my buddy thats a mechanic also has torx scres in their industrial size screwdriver sets

these little cunts come pre installed in to hp products and can't be removed with any screwdriver I know.
You can't even mount the HDD without them, but you can't remove them easily out of the pc, so they really don't want you to use a different drive.

>>1914360
looks like you can just get them out with a flathead

>>1914365
Looks like a regular torx would do it too

If you manage to strip a torx bit you are actually retarded.

they are objectively better screws and I use them for all of my woodworking as well, stay mad you fucking boomer ass retard

>>1914365
tried it, doesn't work

>>1915660
Try harder

>t. dumpster dive tech

I fucking love torx, used it the last 6 years, and whenever i have to use phillips bits it's always to get it out and throw it in the bin.

Torx>Hex>PZ>Slot>PH

I've worked at a place where we used hex almost exclusively, it would get stripped too, especally small ones(1/2/2,5)

>>1905625
25bit secruity set from the 1 clam store

>>1915992
>Z>Slot>PH
idk what they are called exactly but the 'ridges' aren't deep enough for the screwdriver to set in and turn the screw

>>1905625
>they're designed to fucking strip
I have never, and I mean never, stripped a torx. I have broken countless bits while overtightening them though. This might seem like an inconvenience at first but trust me, it's much easier to buy a set of new torx bits than to remove a stripped out phillips, pozidriv or hex. I wish I could use these screws everywhere but I can only find them as OEM screws on cars.

>>1912705
No. 900 has an inbuilt torque gauge.
911 has a completely flat/round head, with nothing to grip on, and an allen key slot in the other end. For screwing it in from the other side

>>1914365
>>1915660
I've successfully used a flathead on these before. It requires using A LOT of pressure tho.

>>1916350
Screwdrivers are not all created equal either btw.

torx is legit
op is dumb
/thread

>>1907405
F 'n Nin10doh Weeeee .
>Kid brought home homeless faggot.
>Potato played mine 24/7 until it burned out the drive
>Thought I might try to repair it.
>Saw those, buried deep (can't use standard security bits, need specific screwdriver).
>Said f'k this sht.
>Miss Rock Band.

good tx screws (Reisser, helco)with good bits (pb Swiss, wekador, athlet, felo) are god tier.

>>1913350
not using 53 billion variants of these on all you're projects.
the key is diversity.

When i fastened my Solar panel to my off grid shed i am not permanently visiting i used Torx, internal Hex, External Hex, and Pozidrive, then drilled out some of the fasteners and gave them a thick coat of paint, so some ass hole with a cross head screwdriver cant steal it.

>>1916832
Haha. Reminded me of a security shackle I installed. It bolts to the slab with hex drive counter sunk flat head concrete bolts. Then you hammer ball bearings into the hex drive holes so they can't even be center drilled.

>>1909070
>by hammering a sharp chisel into the edge

Unless its on some plastic bumper. The cops were promoting those for number plates.

>>1916521
>Kid brought home homeless faggot.

Uhh ... Wouldn´t that necessitate a long intense talk about not trusting strangers?

>>1905654

>>1910046
They’re on the stops signs in my suburb, where no black people or edgy teens live. I don’t get why.

>>1916905

>Uhh ... Wouldn´t that necessitate a long intense talk about not trusting strangers?

That it did anon, that it did. Major hilarity and frustration surrounded that whole episode, but this isn't really the board for it.

>>1907850
use them all the time. contractor in us

>>1905625
Robertsons are my favorite screw.

They just work.

>>1905715
In the real world they're called flatheads

>>1905654
as someone who used to do furniture assembly, you bet you ass they can.
I hate cheap fasteners.

>>1917429
*paints over it*
Nothin personnel kid

Can we just stop making Phillips now? They need to disappear.

>>1919692
soon
also stop bumping this thread pls

>>1919692
Torx and Hex too, they are shit.
Back to flatheat.

>>1919697
Okay i will

>>1919706
Don't pretend to be me.

>>1905625
Torx bits will break before the bolts will strip.
Unless you are retarded and use the wrong bit. A set of bits is 5 bucks.

So after lurking here, I bought hex screws but have another set of flatheads in my shopping chart. Found no torx anyways, and everyone here has another opinion on what's best or crap, there is no guidance here. Need them to connect plastic parts for robots to each other. Might also get some woodscrews, but for now I rather go with hex nuts.

star > plus > minus

>>1905625
boom fucking fixed the problem.

>>1905625
>star of david on the screw
oh gee, i wonder why they are so anti consumer.

>>1905639
this is wrong, they offer no benefit over hex drivers and master race is Robertson anyway

Torx is literally a security screw btw, they are specifically designed to require special tools to get off, unlike robertson, hex, and flat/slotted (and even a philips can be made at home with a dremel)

>>1905678
you are an actual retard if you have problems with Robertson screws, you are literally dumber than leafs

>>1905625
If you strip these......you are not /diy/.

>>1917429
i have some in one of my airguns, but they are combined with flathead slots about half the depth

>>1921082
This, or a square bit works as well.

>>1905625
>worst scam ripoff screw
>shaped like a jewstar
everytime bros

>>1922484
>Torx is literally a security screw btw, they are specifically designed to require special tools to get off, unlike robertson, hex, and flat/slotted
What the hell are you on about?
No, Torx were not designed to be security screws - they were designed to not cam out and stand up to a lot of torque.
And how do you unscrew a hex screw without an actual hex driver?

I guess you could jam a flathead in there and kinda get it out but the same is true for Torx. And you'd strip the fuck out of it in both cases.

Why are all Robertson shills so fucking retarded?

>>1922530
>No, Torx were not designed to be security screws - they were designed to not cam out and stand up to a lot of torque.
they were designed to make it so plebs couldn't open up consumer electronics. robertson and hex already don't cam out unless you're using the wrong size of driver and can stand up to lots of torque. torx, meanwhile, can be stripped by any bubba with an incompatible driver and those lobes can be shorn off or worn down over time

sorry you've never had the satisfaction of using a GOOD driver on an APPROPRIATE socket

I just wanted to say Pozidriv can go fuck itself

>>1922536
>sorry you've never had the satisfaction of using a GOOD driver on an APPROPRIATE socket
I tried getting out a Robertson screw with my flathead and it stripped.
SECURITY SCREW! Make me buy a special driver and pay licensing fees to some leafs! Fucking Jews.

Robertson or hex suck for the tiny screws found in electronics. They need a larger head depth to tolerate the same torque a smaller Torx screw can.

>>1922543
>I tried getting out a Robertson screw with my flathead and it stripped.
see the beauty of robertson is that this doesnt happen. even if you carve out two sides by accident, the driver will still work and won't be likely to cause further damage.

on torx, if one lobe gets fucked up through whatever means, the rest will shear off instantly when you try to actually use it

> the tiny screws found in electronics
phillips is more than sufficient for this
>BBBUT MUH CAM OUT
on electronics you shouldn't be getting anything more than hand-tight, and most of those screws are either set in plastic or are plastic themselves (or both) so you'll damage the housing or threading long before you strip the head.

>special driver
>licensing fees
>Fucking Jews
lmao that's complaint #1 about torx, that it doesn't come in typical jeweler's screwdriver sets so you have to order them off aliexpress or whatever

robertson can be found almost anywhere and only psychopaths use anything other than #2 size

>>1922560
>phillips is more than sufficient for this
Phillips is the biggest shit ever. And yes they can strip even when they're just in plastic (electronics =/= everything is plastic either btw) when they're really tiny.
You seem to keep failing to get that point. This matters a lot in something like a phone. Not just because of the price but every bit of mass and volume matters there. And Torx simply offers you more torque at lesser volume and mass.

>robertson can be found almost anywhere and only psychopaths use anything other than #2 size
Maybe in America. I see Torx everywhere, I never see Robertson anywhere. Robertson would be a more of a "security screw" here than Torx or even actual Security Torx.
And yeah people do use non-widespread drives for tamper-resistance. But your claim was that it's deliberately designed for that - which is simply wrong.
Look at something where that's actually the case like Tri-Point. It's deliberately designed in a way that won't allow any common drivers to fit in there enough to turn it. Torx lacks such design features.

>>1922575
if you are stripping the screws holding shit like phone boards/housing down, you are a retard, and you've never used a phone if you think they're all torx

> I never see Robertson anywhere
that is because you are not a member of the master race

>Torx lacks such design features.
the first versions of it literally have a raised peg in the middle to prevent using a flathead or hex lol

>>1922579
>if you are stripping the screws holding shit like phone boards/housing down, you are a retard,
Oh no someone insulted my shitty tool - must be a retard.

>and you've never used a phone if you think they're all torx
Where did I say that?

>that is because you are not a member of the master race
Can't wait for the day of the rake.

>the first versions of it literally have a raised peg in the middle to prevent using a flathead or hex lol
It's not the first version, you idiot.
You're thinking of Security Torx. That is a later Torx variant that actually is deliberately designed to be tamper proof.

>>1922579
The peg makes it easier to use a slotted screwdriver

>>1921082
You cant use a screwdriver for everything, a drill makes you 100x faster and drives the screw in further than you could ever achieve by hand

>>1905625
When I come to power, slotted, phillips, square, and allen drive screws will become illegal. There will be only torx, and hex head left in the world. Get good or fuck off.

>>1905625
SAYING THAT TORX IS DESIGNED TO STRIP WHEN ITS LITERALLY THE BEST THING EVER COMPARED TO FUCKING FLATHEADS AND PHILLIPS JEEEEESUS LOOORD CHRIST ALMIGHTY

>>1917291
>this isn't really the board for it

This is absolutely the board for it.

>>1908589
those only exist on bathroom stalls, there is no reason to take those stalls apart

>>1917429
those are great until they strip

>>1912217

based. what this also needs is an integrated spring loaded center punch and cutting fluid dispenser

>>1905625
We mechanics use TorX bits.
I'd shop where we shop.

I find consumer grade tools often strip heads no matter what type they are, because they're never precisely the right size.

Mechanics tools are always built more precise.

>>1921082
this works but you must press the screw very hard, and unscrew/screw slowly, lest your screwdriver skips or tears the screw

>>1905654
this is bait

>>1915660
your a nigger.

Ive taken em off with a 2 philps a large flathead and a small flathead wedged into the torx section.

you could take these off with a penny. they are only for hardrives and that kinda shit. hell a rusty pliers would do it.

>>1914064
i dont know about you guys but if im bored taking a shit somewhere public i tend to take out any flathead i see or see if i can break into the toilet paper holder with a coin or a Swiss army knife.

Yes its juvenile, but i don't break shit or rob toilet paper.

but yeah people do unscrew shit if they can. same reason Nintendo doesn't use standard screws. kids for sure if given a screwdriver and alone time would be licking the power transformers

>>1917429
for wood yeah i can see that.

only problem is i doubt anyone who doesn't work with them regularly would have a actual set of them on hand. I only have keys that fit that no actual bit or driver.

and i cant imagine the confusion of small versions of those for shit like electronics.

what about one like this ?

>>1923278
>only problem is i doubt anyone who doesn't work with them regularly would have a actual set of them on hand.
there's only 4 and only psychopaths use anything other than #2.

for smaller items, you can get a full set of robertson drivers at the dollarstore, let alone any real hardware store. and its just a fucking square lmao you can file your own very easily

>>1912705
no thats another german meme

allen screws are often called Inbus Schraube Inbus being a brand name like Allen. Many people wrongfully say Imbus Schraube meaning Inside the Bus screw.

>>1922536
No they were designed primarily for manufacturing and assembly

Flathead is still unsurpassed in torque deliviery.

>>1925627
The only thing flatheads are good for is acting as impromptu pry tools.

>>1905625
Agreed

>>1922637
When I was a young child my father had a screwdriver he brought home from work, and he called his magic screwdriver. It was obviously a flathead in a previous life, but he had filed the end into something new altogether, a driver that he claimed would turn ANY screw. I am currently 24 years old and I'm yet to find a screw this driver can't handle, no matter the shape, or the amount of stripping. I genuinely believe this screwdriver can never be replicated, not by any other man, or machine, one driver to rule them all. I know where it lives even to this day, in my dad's "various useful junk" drawer, in his kitchen, waiting for the next challenge, maybe even an old rusty allen bolt, who knows.

I love my father, but sometimes I sit up at night, wondering how much longer I have to wait. When I will get the call or the letter, informing me that I can finally claim what is mine, my birthright, and destiny. The greatest screwdriver that has ever been, and ever will be.

>>1905654
My favorite is when a small flathead has been painted over and it's easier to use a crowbar than the driver

IKEA kikes say hi.

>>1905625
Uhh.. pic unrelared?

>>1925656
Please Post Pic

>>1906131
I encountered a flathead version of this when tearing apart a fan, it's like it was staring at me, laughing, knowing that that little bump will stop this perfectly fine screwdriver from going in.

>>1905625
I hate jew screws. Only boomers defend them because they like consuming products

>>1905625
Was there loctite on it?

Torx look fucking ugly and that's why Philips take the fucking cake when it comes to screws cause they don't look like dogshit.

>>1905715
>>1905877
Yup, it's flathead in the midwest.

>>1928030
Torx look cool as fuck, shut up.

>>1905900

you don't need to remove 100% of the material to make the screw useless. just distorting the shape a tiny bit is enough to prevent you from being able to turn it. have you ever used a screwdriver? seriously.

>>1905625
Robertson> Slot or Philips

>>1911688
There is nothing wrong with this image
prove me wrong faggots

>>1925776
My dremel says hi

>>1928535
Still shit though.

>>1928543
It’s an excellent idea if you want to start a fire

>>1925656
gay and fake

>>1928609
Tell me anon, why would that start a fire?

>>1928854

because that's most likely a utility line, and in the event of a short, there is nothing to stop it from pulling as many amps as it wants to either blow the transformer and/or heat the wire up to the point where it melts to pieces and starts a fire somewhere.

there are some scenarios where this won't happen, and is therefore not intrinsically unsafe, but the image lacks the sort of context we need to determine that. even in those scenarios there is no reason to do this aside from being a lazy, stupid asshole who thinks they're being clever. just use a breaker like a normal person and don't make holes in your feeders.

it's also, obviously, not to code.

>>1905900
Philips are rounded and tapered, you retarded nigger faggot

>>1929238
How would you know there isn't a breaker after it?
Different sizes of gauge requires different amperage breakers

It's not up to code in america

>>1911662
putting torx in the gas chamber where it belongs

>>1912602
the hardness of a screw can be made lower than that of the screwdriver and save costs, hence the screw itself should be meatier than the screwdriver.

>>1916836
clever!

>>1929560
>How would you know there isn't a breaker after it?

I have no idea what the rest of the panel looks like, and neither do you. making assumptions like this is how houses burn down.

that said, why would the wire screwed into the feeder be breakered after? if you're putting it on a breaker after, why wouldn't you just put it on a breaker before the load and put that breaker on the panel? tapping into the feeders and then putting a breaker on it afterwards is extra work for no gain in this scenario because your tapped-on wire is so much smaller than the wires it is being fed from. if they were the same size wire and the tap was done correctly, there's no issue. but it wasn't done that way.

the only rationale I can see for doing this to begin with is either to avoid wiring it to a breaker, to bypass the main, or both. avoiding wiring it to a breaker is cheap, lazy, and stupid. bypassing the main is phenomenally stupid. what this person should have done is wire it to a breaker and put that breaker on the panel.

caveat: as I said in my other post, there are ways to make this configuration technically safe, despite its flaws, but we don't have any context for that and can't decide whether it actually is safe or not. and even in most of those scenarios where it is safe, it could still cause problems in the rest of the circuit because it isn't separated correctly. all it will take is one short in that branch of the circuit and shit hits the fan.

but, I am going to assume it isn't safe, because assuming it isn't safe is (A) the safer assumption, and leads us to repair this nonsense rather than dreaming up explanations for why it's acceptable, and (B) based on the workmanship evident in the photos I think it's extremely likely this was done by an idiot who didn't know or didn't care about the dangers present.

>It's not up to code in america

well since this panel appears to be installed somewhere in the USA that is a pretty big problem.

>>1906064
Phillips has P1 or P2 for most applications. For slotted, to get a proper fit and torque you need a slew of different sizes and thicknesses.

>>1922751
glory hole

TORX wasn't designed to be used by humans. It's designed to make it easy for robots to build stuff.

That said, if you're regularly stripping torx screws or any screw for that matter you really need to learn how to use a screwdriver properly.

>>1905654
You are correct they instead turn into reverse thread security screws

>>1931818

> bypass the main...
... Or, a transfer switch?

I'm envisioning someone inheriting a generator which was used for the whole house, no fancy sub panels or automatic power management options, too expensive (poorfag no can afford do right). Use manual throw transfer switch when power goes out, but now no way to tell when power returns. Solution, niggerrig tap the feeder and have it power a single light, or maybe a solenoid to auto-throw the transfer switch, I don't know, just something that either actuates or alerts the owner that the mains power has returned and can discontinue running the generator.

That would at least be legitimate. Still stupid (especially if no fuse/breaker), dangerous, not code, etc, but I would think a minimal explanation why to do such a thing.

>>1932135
>That would at least be legitimate. Still stupid (especially if no fuse/breaker), dangerous, not code, etc, but I would think a minimal explanation why to do such a thing.

Yep. I think that's a pretty good theory as to why they did it, actually.

>>1905625
Wrong century, most carpenters here use torx exclusively.
Also there's bits for screwdrivers/drills that are cheap as chips.

>>1916053
JIS is best

>>1916836
thats genius

>>1907385
Fucking Medeco screws if I ever saw them.

>>1931818
>I have no idea what the rest of the panel looks like, and neither do you. making assumptions like this is how houses burn down.

yes, i like making assumptions and a random house bursts in to flames, that is how ISIS destroys whole city's in short amount of time

>>1931981
whenever you put your dick in a glory hole, you don't know who's on the other side... Schrödingers faggot

>>1932312
It's not gay as long as I don't know it's a dude.
For all I know it's just a 60 year old meth whore with rotten teeth.

>>1929597
xddddd gas the screws1!11

>>1905625
Don't mind me, just here to shit on OP for being a whiny no tools cuck and to declare Robertson as the superior screw type.