/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>1760587
Experience like this is how countries win during wartime.

How come they don't use some domestic brand instead?

>>1760588
Indeed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcn52oeUAF4

>>1760587
bugmen may be a menace but they do get shit done, fooking hell. if eu did the same it could turn the old continent into a superpower again.

>>1760587
I can’t imagine many of those guys are skilled or knowledgeable. I also can’t imagine that structure will be capable of standing the test of time

>>1760593
They copied so hard you can’t even tell it from a real Cat.

>>1760608
my thoughts exactly. the old continent people are more worried about managing their three pensions nowadays.

>>1760691
>I also can’t imagine that structure will be capable of standing the test of time
Doesn't have to they could tear it down in 10 years and make another one in two weeks.

>>1760691
Perfect is the enemy of good enough, what they need is a good enough answer for the intimidate problem and they got it.

If they end up tearing it down in a year or two or refurbishing it into a shitty ass apartment, it doesn't really matter. The name of the game is cockblock an epidemic, not real estate developer.

>>1760597
Its a shame those tanks were such pieces of shit. The M3 was barely passible the moment it rolled off the line and was obsolete in a year.

>>1760587
they're literally shipping containers with the sides and doors off.

>>1760844
>was obsolete in a year.
That is not a problem at all and completely expected during war time development. It is that, "no plan survives first contact with the enemy," type of thing and the, "arms race," thing. If you were to make something right the first time, it'd be amazing.

>>1760970
Did /diy/ design a hospital for China?

>>1760587
Whilst you can maybe call it an impressive feat engineering, it will most probably come with some significant caveats. Especially with loosely calling it a hospital, when it is most likely a massive containment facility and not a fully suited hospital or that a hospital is not just a building, but a system of systems - a building isn't all the things that go into a hospital.

>>1760588
Most certainly in previous times, but not in modern warfare.

Industrial capacity has fallen by the wayside in its level of relevancy through a multitude of reasons ranging from weapons that can end wars as soon as they begin, the complexity of modern digital equipment/weaponry, etc.

The presiding opinion in International Relations / Defence / Security is that states will fight limited wars with the forces they have, not the forces they can build in a total war.

However, industrial capacity can be extremely helpful for novel and niche enablers (not en masse tanks, guns, and cars) that can give a state a very significate advantage in a conflict. If you want a fantastic example, look at the Falklands War where the British within a very short time frame refitted commercial vessels as auxiliary ships and design, built and certified helicopter radar early warning which provided vital to support their operation in winning the war.

All the workers busting ass cause they all know there is no place to get help if they don't get it finished

>>1760691
Probably more skilled than you anon. I doubt you even know how to use a shovel correctly.

>>1761028
Why so defensive, Chang?

>>1761028
>how to use a shovel correctly.
Most people don't, even those who work in construction and such. Half the time they will use the wrong shovel entirely.

China has excelled at modular construction for several years especially in high rise. concerning though is the government perceives the long term issues to warrant this immediate build... you can also bet this is only one of many in process... these are also likely quarrantine facilities instead of hospital/medical facilities...

Even though it's all prefabbed, the coordination skills required is impressive. Critical path and shit.

>>1760587
It's all so tiresome.

>>1760691
It doesn't need to stand the test of time.
It needs to be a structure that exists for immediate use.

>>1760844
The M3 did just fine as a tank.
It was a stopgap to put a 75mm gun into North Africa and it obliterated the even more obsolete german tanks that were there.
The M4 was read within a year so they built M4 Shermans because they were better. The M3 served the entire war.

>>1760807
>planned obsolesence in buildings

Truly visionary. But the US did it first.

They're Lego ing together a bunch of steel and prefab. The hardest part for any of modern hospital is wiring, plumbing and hvac. Being pressure sealed and filtered properly is critical to prevent infection spread.
No way can this be anymore than the equivalent concrete shipping container in 10 days much less a competent hospital

>>1761370
But where'd the Legos come from and doesn't it take a month for a foundation to cure?

>>1761418
>>1761370
You guys are overthinking this. Its just a temporary structure which will be demolished very quickly once this is all done with.

In America this would probably look like mobile FEMA units or the National Guard operating out of trailers/ semi trailers occupying empty parking lots.

I'm guessing the foundation is just these boxes resting on asphalt / bare ground and they have adjustable legs.

Lots of Chinese buildings don't have adequate foundations even when they are built during times of peace. Look at those famous pics of buildings in China that just fell over. Even in Taiwan, you walk around town and older buildings (40ish years old) being renovated don't have a foundation. You see workers digging up the ground level floor and it's just a rat slab on top of dirt for a 4-5 story building. It's fucking nuts sometimes.

>>1761418
They are just floating. No legit foundation.

>>1760587
there is a good reason you hear about chinese buildings falling apart constantly

>>1760587
So my post >>1760991

Is basically confirmed. These are massive containment facilities.

https://twitter.com/HimalayaGlobal/status/1224175980819841024?s=19

>>1762145
nothing to see here, everything is fine tHe fLu kIlLs mOrE

>>1760587
>China endures 140ish deaths a day due to construction.
>corona virus killed a few hundred in China in a few weeks
>China builds a huge (((hospital)))
>Death toll during construction is higher than the virus victim count
Oh the irony.

>>1762209
kek

>>1761418
>But where'd the Legos come from
They probably have a modular building manufacturing line. The gov't just stepped in and pulled the needed modules off the assembly line. This is communism. When you want something done, people jump.

>>1760587
These are leftover prebuilt units from one of their modular concentration camps welded together quickly to form a hospital/quarantine shed.

They didn't even bother to take the bars out of the windows.

>>1761370
I agree. When I was working in constructing modular buildings, the factory would pump out about 7 modules a day, all pre-fitted with everything. That was with a work-force of about 250 employees. On site a 40 module, 2 story building would be put in place and ready to use in apx standard work days. (15h)
This could be sped up to an extent by using extra shifts etc, but it would still require more than a couple of weeks to produce each module all from scratch.

Hell of a thing.

>>1762541
Holy fuck

Trump tower in chitown went up in 6 months but this is absolutely psycho

I want to copy this as a developer

>>1762209
>build wall to keep out Mongols
>1000 workers die for every mile that is built
>foundation packed with human corpses in some areas
>Mongols invade anyways

>>1760587
>what if we make a building out shipping crates.

>>1762660
/diy/ level engineering

>>1762559
The walls are thin steel and the foundation is dirt. This is not something you want to copy unless the goal is to have a containment facility erected in days. This is just the chink version of a fema bubble camp.

>>1762891
This. I'm more surprised their army doesnt have the resources to set this up instantly.

>>1760587

>>1760691
Dunno about the workforce, but the hospital will probably be abandoned if the outbreak is contained. They did the same thing with SARS hospitals. Shame they can't just disassemble the structure back into prefabs, although there might even be some biohazard issues.

>>1763148
the material resources are probably worth less than the labor involved in reclaiming it

>>1760587
Honestly they should have just used shipping containers. China literally has millions of them.

>>1760691
My guess is when done they will disinfect the fuck out of it, ship the pieces somewhere into the desert, and bury them.

>>1763322
That's exactly what they are using in the photo.

>>1760587
pretty smart

>>1761321
The M3 was a turd on tracks from the very first day it saw service, especially considering it's a 40's design.
What the fuck were they thinking when they designed that monstrosity.

>>1760970
They were easily purpose built that way and the container format is ideal for many industrial and military construction. Visit the Sea Box site for inspirational examples. The container tiny house meme is gay but they work fucking great when used by adults in industry (oil patch, mobile data centers, fucktons of other uses including my 2x High Cube home welding/machine shop.
I'd do a container house in a heartbeat but I neither expect or need it to look like conventional construction. Those who do should run away.
Those container frames are amply strong for building construction and easily welded together, but if wanted they could be locked together with commercial fittings for disassembly if needed.
Containerized military surgical hospitals are old news in war zones.

>>1761370
>The hardest part for any of modern hospital is wiring, plumbing and hvac. Being pressure sealed and filtered properly is critical to prevent infection spread.

Done in containerized military hospitals for many years. The frame strength of containers permits high stacking loads and easy adjustment by hydraulic jacks if shift warrants it. That's one reason my containers are welded to steel beams, so if the ground shifts over time I can adjust them in minutes. It will take longer to grab the jack from inside.

>>1763322
They are using shipping container format FRAMES designed for the task because they're instantly available from shipping container factories. The frames and other panels are quick to produce and dirt cheap. They can be handled buy standard crane CHU attachments. It's a fine idea.
No modified container would be remotely suitable because the standard flooring is not suitable and the cage is much stronger than ISO shipping containers.
Don't speculate if you don't KNOW. The security of billions in imitation crab meat rape dungeons depends on /diy making quality containerposts.

>>1762541
looks like a lot of shared hvac for a virus that spreads through the air.

>>1763392
Might be a negative pressure system.

>>1760587
>pro tip its not a Hospital

What is this thing they are building? They have a shit load of cranes all over the place and a gargantuan pit, and are trying to protect the bottom with drop cloths.

>>1763356
>What the fuck were they thinking when they designed that monstrosity.
"We need 75
mm guns in North Africa ASAP."

>>1763603
inb4 mass grave

>>1760587
It's basically a glorified shipping container house.

Only not as well sealed

>>1763617
>>1763603
I mean, what else could it possibly be?

>>1763638
That doesn't even make sense though. It is too massive and the shapes in the bottom don't seem like that as their purpose.

>>1763659
>It is too massive
Only if you actually believe it's a few 100 dead, you actually believe official china government releases?

>>1763603
That's obviously waterproofing for the foundation of a building.

>>1763603
see my post >>1763598

i doubt they want to heal every patient.
their mission is to contain the infected.

>>1763693
They are cremating them, not burying them. It'd be retarded to bury them.

>>1763893
that russian guy is clearly autistic.

>>1760587
Yeah it's all prefab and they're building it so poorly it will have problems in months.

Just look at curing time for concrete slabs. You shouldn't put heavy compressive force on a commercial slab any earlier than a week.

On top of that if they've embedded any piping in the slab. It's practically guaranteed they've cracked them at this point.

Even the beaners have more brains than the bugmen when it comes to building.

>>1764290
>it will have problems in months
What scenario do imagine that it would matter in months?

>>1764290
Just depends on how much structural steel you're willing to pony up for. A couple of cm of fiber reinforced concrete on steel joists is going to be good to go in days.

>>1762541
Nice. Now they just need doctors and nurses. But where do they get more of those?

>>1764307
They just need some convicts to shovel food into the quarantine rooms and carry them to the incinerators in hazmat suits if they don't survive.

It's the eugenics version of medicine.

>>1763893
so does this prove that holocaust happened?

>>1762562
That speaks more to the credit of mongols than chink construction

>>1762891
>The walls are thin steel and the foundation is dirt
The same as every american house, then, with the exception that american walls are rot-prone OSB.

>>1763893
Couldn't this also be produced from them burning every critter at the fish market to prevent further spread.

>>1761436
Container stacks can "float" because they are mutually supportive and heavily framed in steel. Stop thinking of this as a conventional structure.

>>1764574
Not as interesting, outta here with your logic. Have they acknowledged it at all?

>>1762338
I read an article that stated there were two factories supplying the mods: one built panels and the other built frames. If you search Google images for "China mining camp", you'll see the same mods (pic related).

>>1764879
You can buy them at Alibaba, the best thing is that since they're technically containers, you don't need to stuff a container full of them. They're really comfy with AC! My university had a small lab inside one of them

>>1761154
Alright Shovelman, explain to us how to use a shovel correctly

>>1760587
>literally shipping container frames
this is a /diy/ fetish of sorts

>>1764889
>>1764879
>You can buy them at Alibaba
nice, can they be stacked without extra enforcements?

Why again did anyone bother with rebuilding shipping container when this is a thing? just memed themselves?

>>1761028
Just looked up how, glad I did. Thanks Anon, wasn't something that had occurred to me.

>>1764552
It's not easy to wall off a border. I'd say it's probably impossible. There had to be a way in somewhere.

>>1763356
>What the fuck were they thinking when they designed that monstrosity.
"GET THE GUN ON SOMETHING, ANYTHING, RIGHT FUCKING NOW"
It was straight up just the turret for the M4 taking too long to design.

>>1764956
Technically these are literal shipping container frames. Just without the rest of the container getting in your way while you plumb and wire it.

>>1760691
What do you expect from a hospital built on the terms of an emergency situation?

It'll get them through the corona virus outbreak and either continue to be used against better judgement, torn down, or abandoned and the homeless will tame it over

>>1760587
was the footage of the grid of excavators propaganda? why pour unreinforced concrete on soil with no drainage? why not erect tents on parking lots if driving is banned? anyone with the slightest whiff of civil engineering experience is sketched out by the whole thing.

>>1765064
i mean yes its the same concept, but they are not the same, you can see in OPs picture that they come in parts and are assembled, also the floor/roof looks not like something from a shipping container, they are meant for modular temporary building like in >>1764879

>>1760970
Lots of prefabs are designed deliberately to be the size and shape of shipping containers and to be compatible with them. Reason being: so you can ship them easily.

>>1764913
Well first you start by using a spade or pick or grub-ho to cut earth, not a shovel.

>>1763603
A scuba diving theme park.

>>1760691
Hospital building should be by default teared down every 40-50 years for sanitary reasons, you dumb fuck, not stand indefinitely

>>1760691

>I also can’t imagine that structure will be capable of standing the test of time

This is to hospitals, what HESCO barrier bases are to castles.

It's standardized, it's fast and easy to build, it works perfectly as corona virus hospital and above all - it has no alternatives because all the normal hospitals are working full-time.

People shouldn't think of it as a hospital where they do surgery etc. but as a treatment facility instead.

>>1764574
>>1764586
No, there's not enough for that. They did a round of vaccinations just before the outbreak.

>>1764583
>t. moron or replied to the wrong person
I'm thinkingggg autistic moron. lol KEK