/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>He doesn't Dewalt.

Milwaukee is good if you want shit wireless. As far as I know the batteries are compatible with Makita tools and they're basically the same.
Just don't buy any saw from them.

>>1728876
Whats wrong with their saws? Just general shit quality?

Milwaukee by far.

>>1728880
This is the best choice if you wrench on mechanic stuff and have money to spend.

Ryobi is the best choice for DIYers.

>>1728887
Why does your drill have bluetooth.

>>1728895
Just the battery does, other brands have bluetooth on the tool.

For these Octane batteries, you can lock and unlock it, have it automatically lock when it goes out of bluetooth range, see “last location” which I think is just your phone’s GPS when it was last connected, make it beep to find out if it’s in Jamal’s or Jerome’s tool back, and shows charge cycles, temp, etc.

I just got the batteries because they’re supposed to put out more power in certain tools, but the Bluetooth stuff is actually neat. If I worked on a jobsite with lots of guys, or I was a boss who provided the tools, I would definitely consider spending the extra money on Milwaukee’s OneKey or the similar DeWalt system. DeWalt has a whole jobsite wifi system and I think you can hook the tools up to that and lock out that SDS hammer or whatever as soon as a guy walks off the jobsite with it. Guys would learn real quick that pawn shops don’t pay much for brushless bricks.

>>1728895
>>1728925
Here’s the lock options. You can even set a schedule, like no running the tools after 5pm on Wednesday.

But like I said, Ridgid is only doing bluetooth on the batteries so far. Milwaukee has something similar on their tools called OneKey, but I don’t think the batteries are locked. I think DeWalt’s is just the tool as well (would be a nice option on those $200 FlexVolt packs), and Bosch has a new system on their tools.

I have some 18v makita stuff that i feel works great. It’s the older brushed models but I got them for a good price. I also have a 12v Milwaukee stubby 3/8 impact that I’m very fond of. I intend to pick up the high torque 1/2 milwaukee fuel the next time it goes on a special buy. Just missed a deal where you got a 5.0 battery and charger for $20 more than the regular price of the tool and have been kicking myself in the ass over it since.

Other than that the cordless heat gun from DeWalt looks cool. I have their corded heat gun for doing phone repairs and really like it, I would like to use that cordless one for doing heatshrink on wires in my project car.

>>1728895
Your boss can also tell when you started working.

If I want a battery powered tool I go for milwaukee just because I've already got the batteries. Otherwise I just watch youtube reviews and figure out which has the best happy medium between good/cheap. No reason for brand loyalty

I used dewalt for a long time, had a lot of them go bad, some of them are still going strong as my home tools.
I was always wary of Milwaukee because almost every coworker I've ever had while doing HVAC used milwaukee and I've seen so many of them break its ridiculous. I cant speak from too much experience because I've never owned any of them but the ones I've used have been nice. Their 12v batteries are a fucking joke, the 18v fuel are really nice.

I switched to Hilti from dewalt two years ago and have been pleased with them so far. The tools aren't that expensive but the batteries are absurdly expensive.
I just wish they made more HVAC related tools, but they never will because that's not their target audience.

>>1728873
>brand

Ryobi. They're adequate, inexpensive (poorfag extraordinaire), their 18v platform is old and batteries are backward and forward compatible with the entire lineup, and I'm partial to the green color.

>one brand or mix

One since the other options would just mean paying more for the tool(s) and needing to juggle different batteries, though admittedly if I ever get an impact wrench it'll likely be Dewalt (friend runs dewalt stuff so borrow/lend/share bias) since the Ryobi model is pissweak. I happily mix and match corded tools because 120v plugs are universal.

>>1728873
Had some shit luck with Milwaukee fuel stuff and have almost entirely switched to Makita for cordless. Still use mostly Milwaukee for corded hand tools besides angle grinders (makita). Dewalt for compound mitre and cordless multi-tool. Delta table saw

>>1728873
Going by the tear downs I’ve seen for cordless tools,
Hilti and Fein may be some of the better built cordless you can purchase,
But Neither Fein nor Hilti are all round cordless tool manufacturers.
Hilti has some cool cordless tools for the construction industry, and Fein has some cool tools for general carpentry and specialist thigs like metal working.

If you want a very broad lineup, Milwaukee, Makita, maybe Dewalt, and Metabo are your best bets.
One advantage to Metabo, if you like top quality tools, is that a number of soecialty German tool manufacturers got together on a combined battery system, that seems to be based on the Metabo batteries, which means specialty Industrial cordless tools may be available in future using Metabo compatible batteries.

Trying to stick to one battery system if you need weird specialty tools though is a complete pain in the ass.

>>1728873
Work provides dewalt grabbed a brushless dewalt set for home too use 3 main tools drill flashlight and multi tool all work great

>>1729066
Milwaukee also has an 18v heat gun as well as a 12v soldering iron.

Im Makita man, but I am thinking of getting started with dewault for this right here.

>>1729164

Jesus that looks like a meme tool...

Well it's not really fair to have Hilti in there seeing as its twice the price of everything else but all of those are good with the exception of rigid. Hitatchis tools are also quite a bit larger than the others so I'd probably go with one of the other brands for that reason

>>1728887
>rigid is the best
LOL

>>1728873
They're all made in the same handful of chinese factories with x companies logo and color scheme slapped on top.

>>1729133
>based on the tear downs
Pls watch something besides AvE

>>1729143
Ryobi’s soldering iron is sweet too.

>>1729219
When did I say that?

>>1728873
Hilti for anything concrete, dewalt for everything else

At my shop, as a heavy equipment mechanic I use Milwaukee. At home for DIY I use Dewalt.

It’s obvious

>>1728877
Not him but I've been using the M12 FUEL 5-3/8” circular to cut 1x12 cedar board and 2x framing lumber and it's a great saw.

>>1728873
We are switching to milwakee's fuel lineup at work, the dewalt stuff we have is all crapping out and these seem to be miles better than even the newer dewalt stuff. That cordless SDS cordless hammerdrill with the 9amp hour batteries is a god send.

>>1729364
The Ridgid Octane 9.0Ah battery is on sale for $99 right now, I’m so tempted to grab one even though there’s no way I would ever run it all the way down with homeowner shit.

When is one of the companies going to build a jumpstart attachment for these big packs? They could totally do it with the high output packs, at least a rapid charger that you could stick on your work van if you accidentally left the lights on. The big packs have more Wh than lots of the jumper packs anyway,

>>1729334
craftsman?

>>1728873
At my shop, the boomers all use snap on, the mexicans use dewalt, the one black guy uses bosch, and everyone else uses milwaukee. Except me, I use Ingersoll rand because then nobody can steal my batteries. In all the years I've been doing heavy diesel, I've never seen anyone use IR cordless tools.

Bosch

>>1728873
Most of my cordless tools are makita, because I got them on a deal. Got a plug in ridgid miter that honestly has done very well compared to the dewalts I'm used to. Have various Dewalt and Milwaukee bits and pieces (drivers, measuring tape, etc)
The only reason I have more makita shit than anything else is the battery, and the only reason I have makita power tools is the battery powered router

>>1728930
This is interesting thanks. But wouldn't it be even cheaper to buy disposable thrift store tools for a fraction of the price rather then this system?
I just got my first tool, a Ryobi 12v power drill. I heard everyone loves it and it's lighter than the 18v, does everything you need. I don't think I'll need the extra power so I just bought a corded hammer drill in case I do. I'm using my dad's Milwaukee power plus and it's nice too, is it pretty much the same but lighter?

Started off buying Makita and Bosh but now I just buy the cheapest since I don’t use them often.

>>1729430
You can get the cheapest possible stuff if you want. The $20 Drillmaster will hang one picture frame a year just fine. If you’re a homeowner and handy and doing work around the house at least a weekend a month, Ryobi 18V is great. You can get a whole lot of tools for $250, they will last longer and do the job better than the cheap ass tools, and those batteries will fit on tons of tools you didn’t even know you needed. My boomer coworker was just telling me today that he got a Ryobi blower and loves not having to worry about gummed up carbs, and I told him to go get the hybrid fan for summer because my Ridgid is badass.

I love the 12V tools too. I have the Ridgid 12V and I regret not getting the Milwaukee M12 because the lineup is so great and the basic drill-impact kit is only $99 right now. But the 12V is more than enough for most stuff around the house, I only break out the 18V if I need to drill metal or masonry. The $20 Hyper Tough drill with bargain bin bits isn’t going to make it very far trying to make a 1/2” hole in brick or stainless steel.

>>1729430
>>1729705
Also when it comes to the power tools, you won’t notice the difference drilling a couple of 3/16” holes in sheetrock. But if you need to start hacking through pipes and you have a thrift store Black & Decker NiCd and a new M18 Fuel Sawzall with a 9.0 battery, the thrift store B&D won’t keep pace at all.

The saws, grinders, impact wrenches, SDS hammers, and other high demand tools are where the higher end tools with big battery options really shine above the cheap stuff. Being able to use one charger and one battery across dozens of different tools is quite convenient as well.

>>1729334
MY MAN

>>1729720
Is straight MAPP really any better than propane? Word on the street is they don’t use the same good MAPP they used to a few years back and you have to mix it with the o2 tanks to get real heat, but then they o2 runs out in 3min.

>>1729736
MAPP Pro is whats available, its not as hot as the discontinued MAPP, but its still markedly hotter than straight propane.

>>1728873
For cordless, I am using dewalt 18v range. Corded I have a variety of brands and quality depending on the tool. I would have more dewalt stuff if I had infinite money but often the cheap ones do the job just fine.

>>1728873
milkwaukee m18 for cordless work tools
ryobi 40v for yard stuff
and just whatever is best for corded specialty tools. i have a decent amount of dewalt for woodworking (planer, sanders, radial compound mitre, router) and one random makita

as much as i like milwaukee, i kinda feel trapped by the battery game now since iv bought in. shits getting expensive

>>1729428

Are you the guy that made that wobbly bench and fixed it? If so, your fix looks good.

>>1729752
Hmm, I’ll probably grab a can next time this propane tank starts running low.

>>1729397
Ingersoll bros are hard to find. Which I don't mind, because people seem to assume my tools are weird knock-offs because they're all Gray and Ingersoll Rand. So, none of them go missing because no-one wants to borrow (steal) what they think is chinesium garbage.

>>1729306
I gad to find a German video to show a tear down of the Fein cordless grinder.
I don’t speak German, but there were certain features that were similar to the Hilti tools, such as a large aluminum heat sink on the electronics module.
The mootors on the Fein grinder looked to be a sealed fin colled aluminum cased motor, where I think Hilti had an open motor design, similar to a lot of ither brands.

Yes, I do watch Ave tear down videos, but I also watch others, and I know Ave is sometimes an idiot.

>>1729397
Based Bosch Guy.

>>1729143
Yeah but the dewalt heatgun looks overall like a better tool. I don’t mind investing in multiple tool battery platforms considering they seem like they’re here to stay for quite some time. I don’t anticipate a battery technology surpassing lithium to come out anytime soon and 18/20v seems to be the sweet spot for consumer tools.

>>1728873
Bosch

even milwaukee is going to shit now. they just don't make anything good anymore, your best bet is to buy the cheapest shit because no matter what it gonna suck and you're gonna have to replace it anyway. i've noticed that pretty much every tool i've bought in the last year has been junk, even a lot of the equipment i install is going to shit, companies giving you dead batteries, missing pieces, shit that just doesn't fit together properly, etc. feels like everything's gonna collapse soon.

>>1729999
Checked

Ridgid’s heat gun uses butane and a battery. Interesting. I guess if you need a heat gun that really works, butane is the way to go.

>>1729164
BE CAREFUL. I bought one of those (corded model but that’s not important) and it will NOT do thin paints. If you’re planning on spraying thick latex etc. you’ll be fine.
I used it to spray some RustOleum farm and implement primer and it did a great job. Only thing is the tips are really expensive and you need a few to make sure you can be adaptable to the size of the project you’re working on.

I have mostly Makita since it's the least overpriced prosumer brand in Europe, but I also have some Ryobi gardening tools with a /diy/ Makita battery adapter.

>>1730079
>>1729066
At that point, why not just use a butane torch? The only advantage of this shit that I can see is that the flame (probably) doesn't come out from the frame, but in every other way it's going to be inferior. The pure battery one again is just far less powerful, I'd wager even a butane soldering iron puts out more heat than that. Which is what I use for heatshrinks in odd places.

>>1730112
Well for one, the flame. If you’re using it for like that cellophane packaging shit, butane would never work. Butane vs electric are kind of two different tools for different purposes.

A lot of the cordless guns heat up kinda slow though, and those heating elements pull lots of electricity, I guess that’s why Ridgid did the butane plus battery.

these green meme machines

>>1728873
better than bosch
better than makita

festool made in germany
von profis für profis

cheers

>>1728873
for the weekend warrior, ryobi is a great value.

>>1730086
thanks, that's good info. I plan on using it to spray the decorative exposed rafter eaves on the my house as well as some fish-scale scalloped cedar shingle. Both are about 35' up which is why I like the battery model over corded or a standard sprayer with a long hose. I will do one coat of oil primer and a latex top coat with a pretty thick consistency, so it sounds like I will be (hopefully) good. I read that I should brush it in after spraying but it's getting the paint on there that takes time, so I think this would speed things up. Also I read that this has interchangeable tips with all the graco 'pro' sprayers so I assumed you could spray any thickness / type of paint with the right tip, maybe this is not the case.

>>1729779
I am, thank you. I've only ever worked with metal so i wanted to teach myself wood working. I got very embarrassed once I noticed I put long to short grain and promptly hid the wwg thread

>>1730333
to be fair, that would have been a perfectly acceptable bench design had it been made out of metal.

>>1728877
I've used their saws a good bit when I was doing construction, no issues with them.

>>1728887
Do you just shill tools all day to buy stuff to frame your pictures with? I was admiring your completely unused rack of wire

>>1730263
>Changeable business end
>More parts in between battery and workpiece to fail
Peak German overengineering

>>1730378
Its a harbor freight wire rack. I know because he posted about it when he bought it. So its probably good he isnt actually using any of it.

He treats this like board instagram posing all his cheap tools.

>>1730263
Festool is for high end carpentry only, and just for their tracksaw (Mafell makes a better one) Domino and dust extraction system.

>>1728873
>Which brand of power tool is your go to, /diy/?
we make them all in the same factory fucking americans lol

So I actually dug into this recently. Most of these brands are owned by a larger company. Many are owned by the same company. As such, these parent companies will make some a value brand, or a top of the line brand.

Dewalt used to be absolute garbage. But after being sold to a new parent company, its being treated as a top line brand and quality has gone up.

Same with Milwaukee. Real old Milwaukee tools were awesome....then in the 90's it turned to shit, but now its getting better again. This happens as brands are bought and sold.

Makita though, is not owned by a larger conglomerate. Makita is Makita, and as such they have been devoted to making quality tools. I've been using Makita for a while and have no reason to switch. Although I did just buy a Rigid framing nail gun and its awesome. Rigid is also owned by a conglomerate that owns other tool companies (dont remember which ones), but Rigid is made as top of the line and has an exclusive deal with Home Depot.

Look up the tool parent companies...its pretty interesting.

>>1730291
This. They have the most tools available and if you buy a set around Christmas, you get like 2 or 3 free tools.

>>1730539
I havent used Ryobi in a long time....when they started to become popluar, they are great because they were pretty good and were drastically cheaper then every other brand. The pricing has come up, but I havent used them lately to know if the price increase is justified. Although looking at prices, I dont think its that more expensive to go up to something like Makita or Dewalt.

I used to use Bosch at work about a decade ago. They were very good. Couldnt say how they are now. Work currently uses Hilti and they all seem to love them. Drills are a bit heavy though. If having to use it all day....like a in construction that might be a factor.

>>1730543
I have a full set of ryobis. They get used regularly to do household work at my place and for my folks. Never had any issues with them. Pretty happy with my purchase. Bought me three years ago during the holidays when you could basically get a couple tools for free when buying a set and the extended batteries were buy one get one free. I usually only have to charge the batteries once a year at most. I also have ryobi’s miter saw and used it and the impact driver to rebuild my back porch.

>>1730535
>DeWalt used to be absolute garbage
What? They made nice saws, then the brand name sat around with Stanley not doing much until it became their top tier power tool and B&D got sent down to homeowner duty, Porter Cable became the mid-range.

>>1730543
They’re still quite a lot cheaper. If you compare the top brushless Ryobi hammer drill and the cheapest Milwaukee compact drill-driver, then it won’t be close. But you can get like 6 tools from Ryobi for the same money it would cost you to get a drill and impact driver from the other brands.

>>1730378
See >>1730411

I realized I like silicone wire for most electronics things. And that wire rack is for when I need like 6” of wire to mess with something, so I have only pulled a couple feet off some different rolls thus far.

I should start my own ToolGuyd IG and shill hella hard for free tools.

>>1730575
Mid 2000's where I worked the shop used all Dewalt. Corded drills, 18v cordless drills, large grinders and small grinders. They were always breaking. Always. A few people I knew also had some dewalt tools and they sucked. Never used their saws though.

Compared to the Makita and Bosch I was familiar with at the time dewalt was in a very distant third. There stuff is much better now though.

>>1730539
Free tools are usually shit like a useless flashlight, though their brushless kit comes with an LED light with a swivel end that's actually useful

>>1730535
Too bad Makita are total fucking jews with their batteries

>>1730591
Are they? I have 4 so I havent had to buy any in a while.....expensive?

>>1730589
Huh? What sales are you looking at? Last year when I got my Ridgid drill and impact, the free tool selection included the top of the line sawzall.

>>1730596
Batteries stop charging because fuck you
https://www.tool-rank.com/tool-blog/makita-facing-class-action-lawsuit-over-their-batteries-201511181932/

>>1730591
>>1730596
Makita has lots of protection built into their batteries, but it also means they will go permanently dead if they detect a fault one time, even when other brands’ batteries could recover from it. At least that’s what I gathered from that idiot AvE, and he likes Makita.

They also seem to have the highest prices on batteries, or at least the fewest sales. But that’s probably because they aren’t constantly releasing new ones like how DeWalt and Milwaukee have new 3.0/6.0 packs so the 2.0 packs are like $79 for a 2pk and $99 for a couple 4.0’s in red and yellow.

>>1730601
>>1730600
If batteries don't have DRM (i.e. stock charger and tool will work) it is not an issue.
Makita probably wants to protect their ass from exploding batteries, which is possible, you know. It is like Laptop. Once microcontroller sees that something is wrong, it turns off the MOSFET, and won't turn it on, unless you completely disconnect it, or flash EEPROM. But laptop batteries (in general) aren't DRM protected

>>1730610
Even the cheaper lithium tools have temp and some sort of protection. It’s pretty much mandatory with lithium packs. Makita just went overkill. If you run a battery dead on a tool and then leave it in a drawer for the month, even if it’s like 0.1V below the threshold, the thing will be bricked. I believe even if you hit it with a power supply and get it back up to 3.7V per cell, the damage is done and Makita’s system will lock out the packs for good.

I got this during Ryobi days at home Depot one day to help with auto work. $99 with tool, charger and 4ah battery.

So far this 1/2 impact has been a Time saver. It's been through hell when I rotate tires and do any related auto work that doesn't require me to fire up the compressor. I also got the soldering tool for free when I bought 2 3ah batteries for $99 and this 10in chainsaw that runs on a battery for $49 on black Friday that also works hella good.

Ryobi it's good for the yard and diy auto stuff. I got the hedger from them a few years back when there lithium+ line came out and I was fairly impressed. Half my tools are from them and so far none of them.let me down.

Makita and Milwaukee have been drilled into my head as being the best overall period. Which I agree with. However I use dewalt at work and I have grown to love them. Dewalt is forever a friend to the diyer and the working man. God bless America.

>>1730405
Milwaukee has the same thing but wont cost you a fortune when something goes bad.

Who makes the best tool for each brand? Makita and circ saws? Bosch for jigsaw?

>>1731600
Milwaukee.

The specs on everything from the major brands are so goddamn close that it honestly comes down to which you find most ergonomic, which battery platform you already have, or which color you like best.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gear/a28359/megabrands-tools-graphic/

im a tradie and i use makita. makita are their own company, not some subsidiary/rebadged tool division

>>1731600
for corded tools like miter saws and Worm Drive saws i swear by Makita, their shit will run forever.

I'm an electronigger and I use Makita, milwaukee has some neat things but their marketing is way too aggressive for my tastes.
>>1730601
You can get $60 5ah Makitas all year as long as you buy a pair at a time. Wish the price scaled because 2ah batteries are way more useful to me

>>1730589
You get to pick the fucking tool you want. When I got mine I grabbed a brushless jigsaw and the multitool.

>Start new job
>Bosses old ass drill just crapped out
>We are going to hardware store and talking shit about various brands figuring out what we should get
>Get to hardware store
>Different reps spend the whole time shilling their stupid Bluetooth smartphone functions
>End up buying ridgid because we like the feel of the tools and a bit cheaper than retard expensive milwaukee
>Get back into car
>Why the FUCK do you need all this smartphone bullshit on a fucking drill anon?
>I think we will get along just fine bossman

>>1731654
functions like One Key are only useful 1. if you have fleets of tools to manage, especially in a closed environment like a factory or shop or 2. you have very specific tasks you do repeatedly where a special driving mode or cutting speed helps you do your job better, like having an impact with a self tapping screw mode that also slows down at the end of the screw while running with the LED light off to save battery life.

I'm in the Ryobi camp. I'm sure the nicer more expensive stuff could handle my usage, such as running a drill in play sand, but why would you risk it. That Ryobi corded drill is still spitting out sand and drilling holes in everything. I bought a new one for indoor use and a cordless during a power outage. The circular saw is okay, I need to use a square to set the foot and I haven't bothered setting the laser guide though.

My usage is household crap with 2x4s and running low voltage cable.

>>1731600

Impact: Milwaukee
Drill: Dewalt
Sawzall: Milwaukee*
Oscillator, Multi Tool: Fein*/Bosch
Circular Saw, Sidewinder: Makita
Circular Saw, Worm: Skillsaw*
Jigsaw: Bosch*
Rotary Hammer: Hilti*, then Bosch*
Angle Grinder: Metabo, then Makita
Portable Band Saw: Makita or Dewalt (not enough companies make'em anyways

*Popularized/Invented it

Porter Cable invented many firsts: The Circular Saw, The Portaband Saw, Portable Random Orbit Sander, Portable Plate Joiner. I don't know why Stanley B&D didn't make PC their pro brand, instead of creating DeWalt.

>>1731702
Portapotty sold out to Stanley black and Decker a decade after dewalt got turned into the prosumer brand it is today so thats why its the badge that gets pimped out for chinese homeowner tools

>>1731702
>Portable Band Saw: Makita or Dewalt (not enough companies make'em anyways

Is this bait?

>>1728873
Ryobi or nothing.

>>1731602
>I use this brand because or something that doesn't fucking matter

Go and change your battery design again faggot

>>1731833
Makitas been using the same 18v platform for 15 years what are you on about

>>1731892
Yet, they dropped 3 cell Li-ion batteries in pistol shaped drills. This fucking sucks, I don't need giant ass handing battery on 12V tool

>>1731892
There’s some stink about star/non star compatibility. I think a few years back they had more than one 18v lithium lineup and batteries didn’t always interchange.

>>1731892
Educate yourself boomer
>>1731897

>>1731893
+1 on this, i like the Milwaukee-Ridgid design much better.

I think they went the DeWalt route so you can stick them on the same charger, but Milwaukee figured out a way to do that and keep the in-handle battery design.

Plus the 6.0 packs on the Milwaukee are super compact.

>>1731612
I saw a 4pk of Ridgid 2.0’s and I regret not grabbing that just to have a ton of backups for my fan and shit.

>>1731654
I talked about this with the Ridgid Octane batteries, I thought it would be 100% a meme and I only wanted them for the extra power. But after playing with them, I understand how useful it would be if your tools tended to grow legs on the jobsite.

>>1731912
>anyone I dont like is a boomer
Kill yourself faggot ive been on the platform 2 years I didn't know about star protection compatibility cause all my shits newer than that

Ryobi has some cool things I'd get, and I considered them several times to get a kit of decent cheap tools.

But I cannot stand the hybrid candybar/brick style batteries. I'd hoped they'd do like dewault and make an adapter to move forward to brick batteries, but they are in the business of selling batteries and the batteries must always be the same for all eternity.

>>1731966
New design never every. I don't even mind it because you can drop the tool on a battery with one hand and it locks right into place, instead of having to use 2 hands to slide a battery into place

>>1731974
Cool cope, you have to have to use both hands to unlatch the spent pack so why pretend one handed loading is some great advantage over slide on packs

>>1731961
>dont know about star protection
>all my shits newer than that

Based retard poster

>>1728873
Pick your favorite color, they're all so similar for the most popular tools that it doesn't really even matter at this point. I mostly use my cordless stuff for automotive work but I'm not rich enough for Milfuckyee so I went with Ridgid and orange stands out better when I drop shit like an idiot. If you're doing mostly woodworking or construction, go with a brand that has the specialty stuff you need for that instead. If you just want to autistically collect as many different tools as possible, Ryobi's lineup is xbox hueg.

>>1731987
>Milfuckyee

WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
DONT FORGET TO SUBSCRIBE, HIT THE NOTIFICATION BELL, AND TO JOIN MY PATREON

>>1731981
Yes retard. my tools and batteries were manufactured and sold well after star protection was implemented so I experienced no compatibility issues. Meaning I didnt know about any compatibility issues between star and non star. But seeing how you cut the word compatibility out of your quote I'm sure you were only pretending to be retarded.

>>1731997
>so I experienced no compatibility issues. Meaning I didnt know about any compatibility issues between star and non star.

Which is exactly why you were told you were wrong.
No need to get upset

>>1731988
What?

>>1731974
See >>1731978

>>1731966
Why does it even matter? The only downside is they aren’t quite as compact, a couple 2.0 DeWalt batteries will fit in your tool bag easier than the Ryobis. But it’s not like you’re climbing tons of ladders all day with a heavy tool bag if you’re using Ryobi.

>>1731978
You can already be loading in a new battery while still in the process of putting down the old one

>>1732000
Donate to the Patreon and I might answer your question!

>>1732002
Cope.

>>1732003
Its a good thing I have a lot of questions about injection molding and plastics!

>>1732008
You better have deep pockets, and only Canadian currency.

>>1732002
What work do you do where you're able to predeploy your batteries in places where you know you will need to change them to the point where you see efficiency gains from this

>>1732022
In my garage, they're Ryobi tools you're not gonna be taking them to a job site

>>1731897
the star is a newer feature, it doesnt affect early tools at all.

when the 18V LXT line came out years ago Makita didnt want people using the small 1.5AH batteries on higher demand tools like circular saws so there was a little tab inside the tool that kept the small batteries from being inserted. it was an early feature they got rid of years ago, the current models (Star or non-Star) are completely compatible.

>>1731966
thats exactly what the new HART tools are for, but they are being sold at Wal Mart instead of Home Depot and sell at a slightly lower price point to attract really low level DIY'ers.

>>1731987
What brand is specialized for wood...

I have a Ryobi contractor bag, are people less likely to steal my shit? I use maijly festool and hilti

>>1732120
Festool

>>1732122
Enlighten me... cactus wind chime?

>>1728874
Based Dewalt overlord. FPBP

>>1732043
Not my meaning, more like I could use a power tool replacement for a few hand tools on the job, but don't need or use them enough to buy Milwaukee stuff. (Small semi-independant residential plumber who might also do other misc for certain customers/contractors while there to save the need for calling another guy just for some 5 minute job.)
Cordless power tools I actually use often enough to care about are just drill/hammer drill, impact driver, and reciprocating saw (and occasionally it's nice using a cordless circular saw to cut wood right on the truck instead of running a cord to the truck or the wood to the cord when recip saw won't do). I'd love to have things like a cordless finishing nail gun (putting back trim/cabinet panels/door jambs, started using trim screws instead of hammer/finishing nails) or light duty cordless framing nailgun for wood to mount hangers/valves/tubs/etc faster/easier than using screws), and ryobi is about the right price point for how often I'd use it, but don't want to have to deal with another battery set just for 1 or 2 tools especially when they aren't easy to just stick in my pocket. Neither did I chose them as my system in the first place due to the battery vs pocket issue.
Right now I mainly use my blue bosch 12v and 20v shit depending on the job, how much shit i have to carry in, how much room I have to work in, and how much of a tool I need. And either candy bar or bricks I just shove in my pockets to carry in and charge when I get home if they are dead, and can carry a spare in a pocket if I think a battery might die on me. Same off the job as well.

If I felt like taking more jobs, I'd easily afford and justify Milwalkee, especially their plumbing tools, but I'm just not that ambitious. I just use power tools to replace a hand tool/labor, not buying tools just to be able to do more work.

>>1732043
Not my meaning, more like I could use a power tool replacement for a few hand tools on the job, but don't need or use them enough to buy Milwaukee stuff. (Small semi-independant residential plumber who might also do other misc for certain customers/contractors while there to save the need for calling another guy just for some 5 minute job.)
Cordless power tools I actually use often enough to care about are just drill/hammer drill, impact driver, and reciprocating saw (and occasionally it's nice using a cordless circular saw to cut wood right on the truck instead of running a cord to the truck or the wood to the cord when recip saw won't do). I'd love to have things like a cordless finishing nail gun (putting back trim/cabinet panels/door jambs, started using trim screws instead of hammer/finishing nails) or light duty cordless framing nailgun (wood to mount hangers/valves/tubs/etc faster/easier than using screws), and ryobi is about the right price point for how often I'd use it, but don't want to have to deal with another battery just for 1 or 2 tools especially when they aren't easy to just stick in my pocket. Neither did I chose them as my system in the first place due to the battery vs pocket issue.
Right now I mainly use my blue bosch 12v and 20v shit depending on the job, how much shit i have to carry in, how much room I have to work in, and how much of a tool I need. And either candy bar or bricks I just shove in my pockets to carry in and charge when I get home if they are dead, and can carry a spare in a pocket if I think a battery might die on me. Same off the job as well.

If I felt like taking more jobs, I'd easily afford and justify Milwalkee, especially their plumbing tools, but I'm just not that ambitious. I just use power tools to replace a hand tool/labor, not buying tools just to be able to do more work.

>>1732198
So you have blue Bosch and 20V what? DeWalt? Do they have the nail gun? Other option is a small compressor, they even make the battery compressors, DeWalt and Ridgid.

>>1732154
cactus flail

>>1728873
Black and Decker, and really most brands at Menards are just fine.

>>1732312
Pretty sure Makita makes Menards in house stuff

>>1732329
I think that meme is wrong.

A more reliable source gives an answer that sounds much more realistic- Chevron. They build the Skil and Kobalt 24V tools as well.

I had a couple Masterforce tools and I tried looking over them to find commonalities with Makita stuff after hearing the same one person say they were made by Makita for Menards, and I couldn’t find anything similar. Also it doesn’t seem like something Makita would do, especially when Makita doesn’t even sell their own lower tier line.

>>1732329
How did you come to that conclusion?
They dont sell makita at all, you would think they would put makita next to a housebrand they make

>>1732342
>>1732343
Dunno some midwest boomer mentioned it
Chevron is okay too

>>1732343
I read the same thing awhile back when I was trying to research my tools, and it was like one retard GarageJournal poster and it got parroted because there was no other answer.

Pic related is much more realistic. An independent company like Makita with one line of premium tools wouldn’t be selling budget tools to a budget hardware store in the Midwest.

>>1732345
I think the Makita thing was passed around so much so people feel better about their $149 drill and impact kit.

That being said, those new Skil cordless tools are supposed to be great for the money. I haven’t heard anything but good regarding them. I have only seen them on Amazon though and not sure what their lineup is like compared to Ryobi.

The Masterforce drill I had wasn’t bad though. Didn’t get a ton of use out of it before I got rid of it, but it felt fine.

>>1731916
>I think they went the DeWalt route so you can stick them on the same charger,
Maybe, it sorta mimics 18V battery.
All tools are same shit after all

>>1732360
Damn, maybe I was wrong. You gotta get this expensive double charger if you want to fit both on the same charger.

That’s fucking stupid, why did they get rid of the old 12V Li system if the new ones don’t even fit the same charger? At least DeWalt’s will fit on the same charger, and HF’s Hercules stole that idea too (the batteries are the same aside from the temp sensor being on the other pin).

>>1732342
Makita actually did make a low tier line called MakTec, also the ring light on the masterforce impact reminds me of the light on the Skil 18v impact so youre probably right about Chervon being OEM

>>1728876
>Milwaukee is good if you want shit wireless.
I've owned one recent Milwaukee tool, a corded router. Motor exploded while I was using it. I was finding small fragments of commutator and housing all over my workshop for weeks.

>>1732381
that the 3 1/4 horse router?
sure looks like it.

>>1732372
Look at the collet too

>>1732381
Shoulda gone Brushless™

>>1732382
no, the smaller fixed-speed 1-3/4. I liked it fine, it had good use ergonomics, but vibrated a lot (maybe why it fucking disintegrated).
Replaced it with a *way* quieter smoother 2-1/4hp soft-start Bosch that unfortunately gets a ton of basic use egonomics comically wrong. worse design but maybe better made. and hopefully won't asplode all up ins.

>>1732387
yeah, looking at the fail, that's what got it. the commutator was rattling itself apart and finally jammed a brush hard at 20k rpm. KA-FUCKING-BOOM. Scared the living shit out of me complete with blowing several breakers.

>>1732388
1617evspk?
i got one. had to buy the vacuum adapters separate. bullshit.
i only use the plunge base on mine though.
used to have it in a lift replaced it with a porter cable 890.

>>1732389
...and it was night, so flash, loud bang and then everything is dark. There was a split second of 'am I dead??' followed by hearing the bits of debris bouncing off everything in the shop, so I was pretty sure I wasn't.

>>1732387
brushless routers are good for round overs and chamfers .
that is all.

>>1732392
>1617evspk?
I don't know. I thought I got it on Amazon but I can't find it in my orders. I didn't keep the pieces. It was the bodygrip model, no speed control, came in a cheezy hollow blown red plastic carry case with a couple wrenches.
I was so disgusted I snapped a pic and just pitched it.

>>1732389
SEVERAL breakers? How does a tool pop a breaker to which it is not connected? Muh BS meter just pegged.

>>1732397
arc fault breakers feeding the 'workshop'. :-(

>>1732401
[I pop them *constantly*. Fucking Siemens]

bostitch masterrace reporting

>>1732381
I dont want to fucking die, should i avoid milwaukee

Fitter/welder here, nobody uses anything but Bosch or Hitatchi (hikoki now they rebranded apparently) as far as grinders etc. go at least. The Milwaukee cordless shit seems to do the rounds too.

Here's the real question:

What tool brand do black guys use?

>>1732474
Glock?

>>1732403
Those breakers will trip if you sneeze near them >:^(

>>1732474
Whichever ones their Mexican coworkers leave unattended.

>>1732474
pyrex

>>1728874
I’m a fan of dewoot myself

>>1732474
See >>1732486

I saw a black dude unironically using Bauer tools to remodel a bathroom.

>>1732458
You shouldn’t use any tools, call a pro.

>>1728873
For cordless I'm using Bosch professional (the blue ones).
For wired I still use my 1960s Bosch Combi because it simply keeps working and it does pretty much anything.

>>1732428
The only person i ever saw with a bostitch drill was poor and had bad teeth

>>1732474
rent free

I’m starting to love this thing after finally getting some use out of it. Even mostly with lugnuts and shit it’s worth the $150, it’s so much easier than using a breaker bar and having to crack the nuts loose on the ground.

Any impact-less anons who do even minimal work on their car, go buy the $70 Porter Cable at the very least. Gamechanger.

>>1732820
Oh, you got the *hyper* octane batteries. Bet those don’t have regular Samsung cells in it like all other power tools in the world.

Don’t forget to throw whole set away and buy new when they rebrand them as “super hi-octane double platinum mark twelve” next year.

>>1732820
How do you like those milwaukee bootleg cobra pliers anon, I was checking them out at HD today

>>1732831
They are the best cobra knock offs out there. I like them better than the Irwins or Dewalts or Masterforce ones.

>>1732831
clearly he doesn't know, not a single tool in his,pic has seen any use

>>1732968
You think so?

>>1732831
I really like the grips on them, the jaws seem ok so far, not as thin as the Knipex. The one thing I can’t get over is how much the button sticks out.

>>1732826
There’s a little bit more to it than that. Besides the stuff you can do on the app (which is less of a meme than I expected it to be), they will give you more power to the Octane tools compared to the regular packs. Bigger cells and they have a second set of contacts to send moar amps. On the impact wrench, they claim ~30% more torque over the regular packs, but I haven’t done a real side by side test.

>>1732831
Also >>1733102

>>1732367
This is extremely retarded then.
It can be only justified if they use 6 cells in all batteries.

>>1733109
That’s what I’m saying. And what you said, if they’re using 6 cells or larger cells, that sort of defeats the point of a lightweight 12V system, you might as well go with a compact 18v tool instead.

Meanwhile there’s DeWalt, I’m hoping their good charger will do 12-20-60. I see some that say 12-20, and others that say 20-60, but I’m too lazy to research more.

I guess some people are like “but my tools stand up on the battery this way!” but it’s not like that even matters, and a 4.0/6.0 M12 stands up just fine.

>>1729306
>Rigid is the best choice
>Lol
>Where did I say that
In the post I replied to

>>1729364
My electricians used fuel for a while and they kept breaking after 6 months or so. They would replace them but it would often take months so they would have to go buy new stuff anyway. They switched to hilti about a year ago and are very happy with jt so far.

>>1733133
I don’t think you can read.

Anon’s Milwaukee a best, Ryobi a best for DIYers.

>>1733104
Jesus that's wide
Guess I'll save my money and buy the knipex then

>>1733167
4th one in that pic is the 7” or 8” Milwaukee Cobra knockoff.

1 is 10” Irwin, 2 is 10” Knipex Alligators, 3 is 8” Irwin, 5 is little babby 5” Cobras so it’s kinda hard to compare the two.

I just don’t understand why the Milwaukee button sticks so far out. They’re not cheap either, so if you have the choice, get the Knipex, the $10 difference isn’t much when you figure they will last you for years. I only bought the Milwaukee because I needed to fix some shit on my truck and was right next to a Home Depot that doesn’t carry Knipex.

I’m probably going to buy the 6” Milwaukee diagonal cutters soon to replace the couple cheap ass pairs I have, the handle geometry and grips makes them look comfy, and they’re the perfect size between flush cutters and big snips.

>>1728930
That functionality is fucking siiiiick

>>1728873
I feel like every brand is about the same and it all comes down to aesthetics and brand loyalty. But every brand has one tool that is the best and one tool that is the worst.
Milwaukee seems to be the most innovative and constantly evolving and improving, but their drill motor fucking blows. The cordless bandsaw is second to none.

>>1728925
please tell me that's not real.

>>1733115
Get on my level.

>>1733520
I agree, most power tools now will work amazing. the difference between brands is minimal. it only really matters to tradesmen, where having a half dozen batteries all being interchangeable with every tool starts to really matter.

The milwaukee platform is fantastic and you get the feeling like they put more thought into how to make themselves more essential to their consumers than any of the other major brands. Little things like how the packout radio will also charge a battery when plugged into a wall is a nice touch.

>>1733563
Fuckin sick, but they won’t let me run those tools when I’m remodeling bathrooms at the nursing home.

>>1733509
Can’t tell if joking, but the lockout options are pretty cool if you’re tired of your shit walking away when you run to Dunkin for a coffee.

>>1733560
It’s the future bro. Give it a couple more years and it’s not even going to be optional on the higher level brands.

It makes sense though, batteries aren’t cheap and it’s hard to tell the difference between your 4.0 and Juan’s 4.0. And the battery health and charge cycles will let you know when you should start lookin for the sales on batteries because the packs won’t get you to lunch time before you gotta charge them again.

This is the earliest version of these apps and tools too, we will see more and more stuff.

>>1733520
> but their drill motor fucking blows

Said no-one

>>1733624
Whenever they have the comparison tests on ToolGays.blog and stuff, Milwaukee drills and impact drivers never really top any of the individual tests, but they’re always top 5 on every metric and end up placing really high overall.

But short term tests and teardowns of tools are only like 50% of it, the real test comes after it has been on the jobsite for 18 months.

>>1728873
We have the Bauer drill at my work. Its been a little over a year id guess.

Very light work. Sometimes get wooden crates once or twice a month. Its used to unscrew like 15 screws to remove the lid. I used it a few times to drill a handful of holes.
Vast majority of the time it just sits.

The drill feels ok in the hand and is powerful enough for its price, but its batteries are dogshit.
We had one battery die after 2 months, and now just over a year the replacement battery is now dead.

I dont think its had any hard use on it at all.

>>1733633
>on the jobsite for 18 months.

or, for corded tools, 18 YEARS.

>>1733633
The problem with individual tests is that battery compatibility matters so much. Milwaukee might have a couple average tools but buying a better tool isn't worth it if it means leaving the battery platform and having to keep track of more batteries.

>>1734174
Because you can’t carry them far enough to actually do any damage. Does it even have a “last seen” function with a map like muh cordless bluetooth batteries?


Hmm interesting, I just saw this on the app, I think that battery is around 50% but hasn’t been on the charger in awhile, maybe that’s an alert so people don’t brick lithium batteries by leaving them sit.

>>1733509
>>1734269
Looking at the date, it’s 6mos without being on the charger, maybe that’s why they want it on the charger. But why 24hrs? Balancing or some shit?

Nice, I think the app update fixed the bug, I could never get a charging time before.

>>1733563
No problem m8.

>>1734428
Does it fly or does it drive screws?

>>1729289
Kind of... Milwaukee, Ridgid, and Ryobi along with a number of other brands are all owned by TTI

Here's a breakdown on who owns what.
https://www.protoolreviews.com/news/power-tool-manufacturers-who-owns-them/43632/

>>1734269
> 24 hour charge required

"Hey boss, yeah, I can't come in today"
"Why the hell not?"
"My battery told me through by cell phone that it needs a 24 hour break, there's nothing I can do"

I bought a ridgid drill+driver kit that came with a circular saw during last year's xmas sale as a 1st year apprentice (basically I couldnt afford Milwaukee and I wasnt too keen on the other alternatives), and ever since then ive been bouncing back and forth between "damn these tools arent bad for what I paid for em" and "dear god I wish I would have dropped the extra $100 to start off with Milwaukee stuff and now I have $6-700 worth of ridgid stuff instead"

>>1734452
Im not sure what that breakdown really means to anyone.

Mac and Proto tools are great, Stanley tools are junk. The parent company objectively means nothing about their quality.

>>1734463
>Locked for shabbat

>>1734467
>breakdown really means

The reality is even worse, many of those companies actually source stuff from even FEWER factories. They change-up the colour of the plastic and the outer shells, then slap one of 20 or 30 brands on it. That's really the only thing they are good at, since they have to change the shells every year to make them look like the latest nike shoe to give the illusion of progress.

Looking at the recent changes.... KKR (the Hitachi brand) is just a bunch of leveraged buyout scam artists... probably nobody working there has a single clue what the underlying business markets (and have probably never held or used a power tool).

>>1734470
Sounds like a lot of conjecture, because tools are getting stronger with more run time every year.

>>1734468
>Dad's Kitchen Aid fridge goes out after 20 years
>he goes to Lowes and buys a $3,900 Frigidaire (((smart))) fridge
>cardboard service panel, gets wet and falls off after a week
>ice maker heating element goes out after 2 months, takes 3 repair men and a q.t. technician woman to fix it
>heater fucks up again a month later, this time no visit from q.t.
>a couple of months later, a random wire just fucking falls out of nowhere and messes up something else
>half a year passes, no issues
>I come and visit for Thanksgibing
>open up the fridge one night looking for leftovers
>fridge light doesn't come on, control panel lights are completely blank, except for one light:
>Sabbath Mode
>knock a beer onto the floor trying to get some ham in the dark
>fucking_jews.jpg

>>1734481
> getting stronger

Not really, adding cells is not really "getting stronger." The 18/36v Metabo HPT pack (that runs a 10" table saw) is a 144Wh pack.

This is kind of the magic number because it's about the same power (for the first minute or so) as corded power tools as they offer an actual corded adapter for them, and it tests about the same (for the first minute, and then the battery starts winding down noticeably) For comparison the dewalt 60v pack is 111Wh.

> lot of conjecture

Bad news, everything is like that, not just power tools. For example, the EÜPA factory in china, made 800 models of frying pans (that were 90% identical, just with different outer cases with other brands slapped on them)

Take the "craftsman" brand for example. It's always been just a brand, they would contract out actual factories to make the stuff and have never made anything themselves.

>>1734725
>Not really, adding cells is not really

Becoming more efficient with more output is not simply "adding cells" my friend

>Bad news, everything is like that, not just power tools

These large tool companies build and own their own factories to control the process from raw material to complete.
We all know about private labeling, thats what HART tools are now.

But who do you think these big OEM factories are?
Its Stanley and TTI and the like.

Thats a stark difference from some random private label pan you find at Target.

>>1734731
>more efficient

What efficiency? The M-HPT cells are 21700s which are slightly more space efficient. They don't put the watt-hour ratings of the batteries in big print because people would realize it has a 3 minute run-time when compared to a corded tool. Again... Same motor exactly.

The hart brand is owned by TTi.

>>1734785
>What efficiency?
Milwaukee isnt bringing out new batteries every year, they are bringing out updated model bare tools that have higher run times and more power compare to prior models.

>>1734785
>The hart brand is owned by TTi.

Hart brand is owned by Apex, their power tools are OEMed by TTI. Private labeling.

>>1734788
>higher run times

True. When brushless motors came out, they were roughly 10% more efficient, so it's got 18 seconds more runtime. Whoop. Nothing comes close (within an order of magnitude) to adding more efficiency than the move to brushless. But those have been out for a few years now.

You're still going to be stuck there with your finger on the trigger turning the screw in by hand with your drill with that last bit of charge required to keep the shaft from slipping. We've all done it.

>>1734285
My company bought me a 1/2 milwaukee impact, and I like to troll my coworker by locking the impact before he uses it.

Makita for corded
Milwaukee for cordless
I also beat the piss out of the Ryobi drill/circ saw/chainsaw/radio for 5 years and they all still work. Probably killed 2 of their small batteries and 1 of the bigbois over the years plus the radio. Circ saws deck (?) is sticky and the screw broke but it still works as long as you only want to do the deepest cut depth (or get fancy jamming it). Built alot of shit with them, relegated to light house duty now.

>>1729705
The Ryobi blower is unironcally awesome. If you have 2 big batteries.

>>1732474
Black guy here.
I've obtained most of my tools secondhand, mostly from garage sales or Craigslist pickups.
Most of my collection happens to be Dewalt, but I have a few Ryobi and Makita tools as well.
I don't really care about the brand name. What I care about is if the specific tool is solid, reliable, and affordable.

Tell me about Einhell?
Sounds funny to me (one hell, lel), and it seems to be german-ish, and it is dirt cheap (compared to real tools like Makita, Bosch, Dewalt, etc).
What sort of tool it is? Disposable chink crap that won't last even for home use? Something that would survive couple renovations and 5 IKEA furniture kits?
On following scale, where it would be
>Fein>Hilti>{Makita; Bosch; Dewalt; Festool}>Black&Decker>Ikea drill>Brand that sells $5 cordless drill on NiCD batteries

>>1729736
Acetylene torch set up if you really need the heat from an HVAC store.

>>1734853
I have a gas blower, I want a cordless one for when I want to blow out the garage or the back patio real quick without needing the max power of the gas blower.

>>1735290
Don’t use power tools on Ikea furniture, you will shred that flat pack particle board.

>>1735296
This tool stand at the hood flea market has those little half size torches (like 5lb-10lb tanks? I see HVAC guys brazing pipes with those), I think I saw a price tag for like $250 and I can’t tell if that’s a good deal. I imagine if the tanks are full and I gave them $200 cash, it wouldn’t be a bad deal.

I wish I woulda kept the old one from my dad’s garage. I just left the shit there along with the basically new 75gal aquarium setup and old 1975 Honda Goldwing without a title because that asshole wouldn’t give it to me so I could never do shit with it.

>>1735365
>Don’t use power tools on Ikea furniture, you will shred that flat pack particle board.

I use the M12 screwdriver for all sorts of delicate stuff, itd be great on an ikea kit.

>>1728873
It depends what country it's made in.
I have had Dewalt tools made in America, Mexico.
. The Mexican one was not as good. Not bull shitting, only realized they were made in different counties when I noticed the difference in proformance

>>1735373
The average person is just as retarded as me though and flat pack furniture is awful.

>>1735532
>the top shelf US-made model is better than the economy Mexico model
No shit Sherlock. They’re not going to waste the money building the budget tools with US labor and try to sell them for as much as the higher tier tools from other brands.

Actually I think they tried, some of the DeWalt drills and impact drivers made in the US were more of mid-tier models, not the brushless XR stuff, and they cost ~50% more for the little flag sticker. They got discontinued and marked down to realistic prices pretty quickly.

>>1735365
>Don’t use power tools on Ikea furniture,
I'm lazy. If you're careful with trigger, it would be OK. If you're retard, wood glue and matches will fix busted hole.

right now I have a bunch of ferm tools which are probably some rebranded chinese shit. Even the impact wrench was only 100 euros. I'd love to have dewalt shit or something but burger tools are hilariously expensive here, easily 2-3+ times what they cost in burgerclapistan

>>1735554
>wood glue and matches
That shit is supposed to be easy to build.

I do it too though. I use the little 12V impact and try my best to keep it from hammering, or the drill with one of the lowest clutch settings which is still tricky to get at the right spot between stripping shit out and having it tight.

I’m tempted to get down on that Harbor Freight cordless screwdriver for shit like that.

>>1735575
Man... at least it has a light, and they offer some different tools, but that build quality reminds me of the ~$30 Warrior drill, or the cheapest Ryobi or better Hyper Touch at Walmart.

Is the impact wrench cordless? How much do you pay for battery packs?

>>1735583
>That shit is supposed to be easy to build.
This is only when you fuck shit up.

>>1735629
>tfw you got work to do so you drive PH#1 screws with the 1/2” gun

Porter Cable is my favorite. Good balance of price and quality.

>>1728925
what a stupid fucking feature

>>1735532
> made in America

Riiight... believe what you want. "Made" now means they may have bolted something on in America.

A so-called "american" made generator:

https://youtu.be/HPCW-Kr1ZGE?t=91

>>1729334
>>1729720
>>1730252
>>1730291
>>1731426
I'm certain that people who use ryobi are the same people who collect funko pop figures. Post hands, let's see how soft and moisturized they are.

>>1735743
I believe they’re “assembled in USA with globally sourced parts,” meaning it’s all made in china then shipped over here to be screwed together.

These days it’s almost WORSE to buy American made stuff. They usually have to cut corners on materials to make up the difference spent on expensive labor in order to be somewhat competitive with stuff just straight up made in China. Then there’s companies that have a single line of ultra expensive options that are made in the USA and twist their marketing to lead the uninformed into thinking their more affordable options are too when in fact they’re the same Chinese junk as everyone else. Then there’s shit like the Williams ratcheting box end wrenches my company supplied us with that are made in the USA, expensive ($35 for a 13mm), and complete junk. I’d rather use my shitty rock river wrench which as far as I can tell is a Fastenal house brand knock off of cheap gearwrenches.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqpse2za7JQ

>>1735692
I think it’s getting killed off, a lot of the new Craftsman is rebadged PC.

>>1735738
It’s the future bro. And if it helps you find a missing battery once, you would change your mind.

Just wait. That shit will become standard on the jobsite.

>>1735587
>Is the impact wrench cordless? How much do you pay for battery packs?
Yes. Pic related is the 18v version. I have the 12v version because I only own motorcycles which don't have that many fasteners compared to cars. The 18v batteries are 77 euros for 4 Ah. Both prices for 12 volt versions are 20-25% cheaper

>>1735875
>the future

It's the zoomer's future, they love that shit. They don't last on jobsites very long though. Times will change, though.

The come here, take their blow-molded drill case out of their burberry knapsack, and everybody is like "it's the end of the world"

Those are all the same garbage, doesn't matter how much they cost. I got me a 12v Makita and it will drill through even stainless steel... if you're patient.

>>1735989
I started on a stud with muh 12V, it was taking forever, then I stepped up to the 18V brushless drill and it ripped through that bitch. I’m not sure what it is because the 12V still feels like it has some power, but it doesn’t compete with steel.

>>1735966
Just wait. Brushless has way more electronics and that will become standard too.

>>1728887
Rigid makes good pipe cutters and snakes, everything else is a rip-off

Lowes had a Craftsman drill out, and a plank of wood to drill into with it.
The drill wasn't all that nice

Ryobi is the cheap nigger brand. Might as well get Chinese knock offs at harbor freight if you don't want to make an investment.

Parkside.

>>1732482

>>1736022
thats Red Ridgid, Orange Ridgid is entirely different and just licenses the name for their tools sold at Home Depot.

>>1736024
Ryobi has a better warranty and a larger tool lineup than any junk from Harbor Freight.

>>1736024
>>1736097
Ryobi stuff is all about the same price as Bauer at HF too, even cheaper if you get a kit. Plus 3 years instead of 90 day warranty.

I was looking at that Bauer leaf blower like “wow, $45?! The Ryobi is like $80.” Then I realized the $45 Bauer is like a little toy blower and the Ryobi is full size, and Ryobi sells a baby sized one too on Home Depot’s website for the same price, maybe even less.

>>1736122
shits the same price.

https://www.harborfreight.com/200-mph-hypermax-lithium-cordless-compact-workshop-blower-tool-only-56416.html

https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-18-Volt-ONE-Cordless-Compact-Workshop-Blower-Tool-Only-P755/301289973

the vacuum is even cheaper.

https://www.harborfreight.com/20v-hypermax-lithium-cordless-hand-vacuum-tool-only-64148.html

https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-18-Volt-ONE-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Hand-Vacuum-Tool-Only-P7131/304206811

for $20 more you can get the superior Evercharge vacuum kit instead.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-18-Volt-ONE-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-EVERCHARGE-Hand-Vacuum-Kit-with-1-3-Ah-Compact-Battery-and-Wall-Adaptor-Charger-P714K/206594038

>>1736136
And of course HF was comparing it (Save $39!) to a much better Ryobi blower. Or they compare it to a Milwaukee.

>>1729846
>sometimes an idiot
How so? The dude seems to know his stuff.

>>1736140
Well he’s smarter than the average Youtuber, so he can spout complete bullshit without anybody else knowing. He knows a bit about whatever machining and mold making, but he doesn’t know better than the people designing the damn things.

He will bitch and moan about a certain part that fails at a mean time of 500hrs, but completely ignore something else that will fail at 150hrs.

I just like seeing shit taken apart since I don’t like doing that to shit which costs >$50 and is still under warranty.

Which reminds me, I need to figure out a project to build with random lithium packs. I really want to get more of these 12V LED work lights, plus a 3s BMS and rig up a better work light that isn’t running off an old dead lead acid battery.

>>1728887
Supposedly these all have a lifetime warranty, batteries included. That's a winrar all by itself.

>>1736152
*if you follow all of the proper channels full of bullshit

I was quoting Milwaukee as the best choice. They have the 2nd best warranty with 5yrs, most of the other brands are 3yrs.

And the Ridgid batteries, you only get the lifetime if you buy them as part of a kit. If you go grab the 2pk of 4.0Ah for $99, you will get 3 years.

>>1735756
Shit don't come to my garage, I have more Ryobi tools than you can shake a dick at.

>>1736248
>white
I bet you smell like mayo and ass

>>1736254
After your mom is done with me I do

>>1736248
>Shit don't come to my garage, I have more Ryobi tools than my wife's boyfriend can shake his dick at.

FTFY

>>1735875
>if it helps you find a missing battery once
No, because if I was missing a battery that badly, I'd use one of my other ones, then I would go and buy another one, because my time is worth more than some shitty battery.

Don't get me wrong. I appreciate not having my shit walk off on me, but I'm not going to waste my time using a GPS tracker for a battery. If it's that long gone, and I can't find it, I will first another way to get the job done, and find my battery second. If I can't find it, then boo-hoo. I either see if I can get a replacement, or I buy my own replacement and learn an important lesson on responsibility.

>It’s the future
For fucking morons, sure.

Keep an eye on your shit. If you work with people who steal shit, and it gets stolen, who's fault is it that it wasn't looked after?

>>1736365
It’s the future bro, they will all have that Bluetooth shit one day (especially if you want a high capacity battery) so you might as well download the app and try to see where it walked off before you go spend $100 on a new one.

The future bro.

>>1734444
yes

>be me onna job workin works and doing jobs
>little apprenticey type fella on site for the summer
>has a birthday in the midsummer type of time
>his family get him a bunch of tools for his birthday
>Ryobi oneplus+
>they give him 5 tools
>they give him 2 batteries "so he has a spare"
poor little mucka

>>1736375
there will come a time when you will have to subscribe to the app so that the battery can be unlocked by bluetooth
Powertools As A Service

What are your guy's opinion on kobalt tools?

>>1732482
>implying the problem solver isn't a hi-point

>>1732482
Based if true.

>>1736493
If those tools were things you were going to rely on for a paycheck, I would look elsewhere. Kobalt batteries are still as pricey as everybody elses. By the time something breaks on you, you'll have so much money invested in the kobalt product line that you will just have to make do.

If this is a home/occasional DIY thing then you'll probably get a lot of love out of them.

>>1736493
I dont trust their power tool lines to stay around a long time, so youll be shit out of luck if they stop making batteries or newer tools.
Id stick with the brands you know have staying power.

Kobalt has jumped ship over and over again for their hand tools. Their OEM has changed so many times for just their sockets.
I have 0 faith in consistency from Kobalt.

>>1729164
>>1729166
I thought it was a bubble maker .

>>1736605
Isn’t Kobalt only $20 for a 2.0Ah? Their tools are nice for the money, it’s like Ridgid where you get close to DeWalt quality for a more reasonable price, but they don’t have the selection of tools that Milwaukee or Makita has.

>>1736493
I was thinking the same as >>1736616

They really cut back when they brought in the new Craftsman.

hey, i bought this cheap ryobi shit with 2ah battery from a guy on offer up who said he bought better tools
>drill, 2nd different drill, circular saw and a sawzawl for 80$

they have a sale on batteries, should i buy these? sell the two 3ah batteries brand new for $40 on offerup

they also have this but is a radio worth $40?

brushless impact driver instead of extra set of batteries

>>1737129
Get the impact driver if you dont have one
Dont get a stupid radio

>>1737111

They sell it at a loss to get you on their battery program.

I wouldn't be surprised if those batteries sub-capacity specials: just like those ink cartridges you get with your printer.

>>1737112

You can get brand name ghetto blasters at goodwill for $10. At best, ryobi made the case.

>>1737182
the black batteries are the older style with 18650 cells, the newer silver 3.0 batteries have 21700 cells and will boost the output on their newer brushless tools, you will just get less run time than the cheaper black ones.

>>1737129
If you don’t have an impact already, go for it. Brushless impact plus square adapters mean you need hand tools a lot less.

>>1737112
I imagine it’s fine, but some of the small bluetooth guys for $30 work real well too. I highly recommend the hybrid fan, it runs fucking forever on a 4.0 battery and moves a lot of air (at least the Ridgid one, they all look to be real similar though). Plus the Ryobi fan is super cheap.

They had a steal around Black Friday with the Ryobi 1/2” and 3/8” impact wrenches, like $99 for the pair, they may have even came with a battery and charger.

damn i fucked up, i thought i was gettig a drill and an impact driver , but i got two drills. whooops

i did mention that i will be charging batteries off sketchy off the grid solar setups, so i reallly like the idea of an extra set of batteries over buying an impact drill but yes, bepis, i do need an impact drill for everyday life

do you think i could find a brushless ryobi impact gun for like $20 on offerup or flea market? cuase i really want those extra batteries

>>1737542
>impact drill
A hammer drill or an impact driver?

And I bet you can find one for cheap, Ryobis are a diamond dozen, people get the 5-tool kit because they want the saws and batteries and sell off the 2nd impact driver.

im looking at battery care and if im not gonna be using these tools all the time then it might be a bitch to keep 4big batteries in steady use ... from what i read if you dont use them much. the batteries go bad

so i can get impact driver and two batteries for $99

or 4batteries for $99 bucks and a used impact driver for another $25
maybe even sell two of the batteries for $50

dime for a dozen

lol i see lots of people selling used pair of 2ah batteries for $50 on offer up

>>1737623
Don’t store them in super hot temps, don’t put them away with 5% charge and forget about them for a year. I think optimal lithium ion storage would be charging to like 75% and keeping in a cool room temp.

Don’t overthink it though. Charge em to like 3 bars and put it away and don’t forget about them for 3 years.

>>1737629
>used batteries
That’s just as risky as the Chinese knockoffs. Get some OE batteries new in box for half price from the crackheads, or wait for a good sale, I still regret not getting the 4x 2.0Ah Ridgid packs hiding out for $99, but I couldn’t justify 8 battery packs.

right now they have four 3amp hour ryobi batteries for $100

i was just thinking i could sell two of them nib for $50 and tell buyer i just wanted two but wanted the deal.... or keep the batteries

and what about not using batteries for three months or six months?

>>1737542

You don't need an impact driver for anything, they're useless.

They were invented so they could underpower motors (the impact hammer gives high instantaneous torque at the cost of speed)
They destroy bits and screw heads. I just bought a new set of Millwalkee 8x impact bits, even without camming out, it got chewed up after driving one largeish screw.
Plus the Millwalkee bits have a "feature" where they twist and actually DEFEAT the point of the impact. Nice!
You can put any bit in a drill. You need specific hex shank sets if you want to do anything out of driving a screw.
Drills are even useful in drill-pumps, if you have to move water, for example. impact drivers, not useful.
I've never needed an impact driver because I don't have a toy, underpowered drill, I've driven 2' long GRKs with them into sill plates no problem.

Anyway, impact drivers seem designed for the "disposable, expensive bit" business.

>>1737664
That’s not a bad plan, especially new in box. I bet they will go pretty quick, price the 2pk at $60 and take the first $40-$50 that comes.

>>1737668
Keep them charged at least 50%, 75% is probably good, a full charge isn’t as optimal but works. 3-6 months shouldn’t fuck up a pack unless it has been through 300 charge cycles and is on its way out anyway. Those batteries sit in warehouses and stores for that long with no issue. Avoid extreme heat, keeping them under 80F will be better.

There is a website called Battery University that has tons of great info regarding lithium cells and what to do if you want to get 500 cycles from them instead of 300. But don’t overthink it, don’t put them away completely dead and leave them for a year or more and you will be good. 75%-100% charge and put away for 4 months will be totally fine unless the packs were old and fucked anyway.

>>1737674
Do you own an impact driver?

You don’t need it, but they’re real nice to have. I like being able to tighten a bolt without having to put all my weight into a wrench or having a powerful drill try to break my wrist.

But, told this to some anon recently, buy a drill if you can only have one. Drill can do the job of an impact driver fairly well, but an impact driver kinda sucks at drilling holes.

>>1737691
> own an impact driver?

Of course, a few (not including air tools). Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the fucking noise... imagine being literally inside a sheetmetal duct and using an impact driver.

I use one of them regularly, but only because it is a dedicated right angle impact driver, and I don't have a drill that is anything like that. Actually, I don't see many dedicated right angle drills at all.

>>1737674
Dont listen to this retard.

>>1737674

oh yeah, that's why every single mechanic at the dealership uses them. every single one. not even one uses a regular drill. we use impact drivers.

time for you to move while the big boys do the work.

>>1737701

>>1737691
You are on here all day every fucking day shilling german pliers and battery powered tools. There is absolutely no way you do any actual work. You’re nothing but a droning fucking salesman and I hope you fucking die. Why tripfags are allowed to exist on this board I have no idea, the jannies must want it to be shit.

>>1737916
>Rule 362
>No Trips
I always forget about that one

I'm a union tradesman, and during my first year of being a material handler, no one would bother with a drill. To get work done, you use an impact. If you gave them a drill, when there were no more impacts, they'd give you a stare and ask to return it.

The one sole exception was for incredible repetitive work of driving in screw terminals. It's actually against common trade practices, but you set the chuck to the a light enough setting, then have it.

Other than that, drills were used to make holes in metal.

>>1736493
I use Kobalt tools and they're better than Ryobi tools, and older Rigid. The power tool brand has Chervon as their OEM, who also are behind Skil, Skilsaw, and Ego. As far as I know, everyone on Youtube has liked them when used properly.

Good impressions have been their impact wrench, their oscillator tools (quieter and more stable), and their circular saws (which are a more basic version of sidewinding Skilsaws).

I went with Kobalt because they were on sale, they were undoubtedly brushless, and it's easier to honor a warranty at a big box store than sending it to a service center.The batteries are arguably affordable, and they're on sale.

The thing is that their tool lineup is way more limited compared to other brands, and sometimes they quietly discontinue a product (work light which mounts on most camera tripods).

If you're a home owners, DIYer, or do basic automobile maintenance, I think they're fine. Although, some one would mention opting for the pro brand for future longevity. Kobalt did jump the ship when they moved from 18V brushed to 24V brushless.

I don't use their hand tools.
I only use Makita Gold Bits (literally the best made)
I only use Diablo or Lennox blades.

If I honestly didn't give a fuck, I'd purchase the entire Skil line on Amazon (which have weaker warranty), but seem to be updated Kobalt tools, and are sold at a greater discount.

>>1737958
Are the Gold bits really that good? I have been digging Milwaukee, I have one Gold socket adapter and that’s it.

>Diablo or Lennox blades
For all the shit where paying for name brand is kinda a waste of money, cheap saw blades are fucking terrible. Sucks paying for Diablo, but it’s better than the frustration of burning out cheap ones. Home Depot has this stocking stuffer set of like 25 Diablo sawzall blades for $30 right now.

>>1737970
Nearby homodepot had one (1) of those packs left, just snagged it online. Thanks for the heads up.

>>1738011
Those deals come and go with the sales. Father’s Day had a Milwaukee set like that, something like 13+ 5 free blades for $20, I got those when I got that Ryobi for the GF’s dad and I didn’t even know I was getting the 5 free until I picked them up, it was just the 13pk online.

That Diablo set gives you a couple of the carbide blades for free, those are nearly $10 each.

>>1738015
Im the tard who was posting all this month about getting that sawzall for xmas so this was a very good/necessary buy for me, since I know the blade thatll come with it wont be worth a shit

>>1738017
The Ridgid one?

It comes with a single basic 6” wood cutting blade, so definitely worth getting an assortment of good ones. I never even tried the blade that came with the saw, just tossed it in the tool box.

>>1735642
Do you even use those tools? All your shit is way too clean.

>>1738465
I don’t even own that PC anymore. Sold it as “Like New” because I used the thing once or twice before I realized cordless is the future.

Short answer: no. But also: new tools look new.

>>1733115
cute

>>1729131
Whats the Difference between regular milwaukee tools, and the're FUEL series?

>>1738525

Regular line is brushed motors and the Fuel is brushless. Go with the fuel, they are so much more powerful.

>>1738534
>>1738525
There is brushless non-fuel too, but the Fuel line is their top tier stuff. More features and better specs along with the brushless motors.

Same as DeWalt’s XR line.

>>1728877
I exclusively use Milwaukee bandsaws and sawzalls for pipefitting, never have had a problem.

>>1728925
>>1728895
>>1733560
>>1733623
I can’t see this catching on for higher-end tools because the unions would have a fucking meltdown. If you get enough locals to write in no wireless monitoring in the Northeast and Northwest, it’s done. What guy wants to work for a company that won’t let him take a drill or bandsaw home for the night to fix something at his house?

Now if you’re some scab rat fuck running a company full of drugged-out fuckup demo guys then maybe I see the point.

>>1737955
>driving in screw terminals

Ahh, thats why all the box screw terminals in my house had stripped-to-shit threads... I always wondered about that, it is now clear. Thanks anon.

>>1738025
>so definitely worth getting an assortment of good ones

Not worth. What are you doing? fine cabinetry with a sawzall? Just get a pack of the AX, you'll never likely use/need anything else.

>>1735290
>Disposable chink crap that won't last even for home use?

Basically, yes. For low use or simple things (I have a Einhell wood dust vacuum which is just a huge fan with two bags attached) it's ok. I'd never buy an Einhell drill or angle grinder though.

>>1736375
>>1736383

>The future bro.

As they say: `I've seen the future, you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sittin' around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake singing "I'm an Oscar-Meyer Wiener"`

Fuck this future, fuck it and the rainbow colored, gay unicorn it rode in on. I always use corded tools because they won't wimp out on me at the worst possible moment. And I'm certainly not gonna tie them to a fucking phone to introduce an additional failure mode.

>>1738986
That’s what I’m saying, you don’t need carbide but at least go name brand. Running the 50¢ Warrior blades on your saw will make that fucker work so much harder and waste a bunch of time in the end.

It’s like good toilet paper. You can get away with cheap sockets and shit, but some things in life are worth splurging on. Cottonelle FTW.

>>1738916
The workplace might not be the one monitoring it, but the shit will be included on the drill anyway if you want to sync up the phone. I think Bosch is the one with the little holes in like all of their newest tools so you can put the bluetooth module in there if you want.

>>1737701
>imagine being literally inside a sheetmetal duct and using an impact driver.

thats what Hydraulic Impact drivers are for, far less noise for working in tight places.

>>1737701
also if you are working in weird tight places look into Milwaukee's installation driver or any of the other models with removeable power heads.

ryobi super $99 home depot super deals

i noticed none of the battery pack sets
(2) 3ah batteries + (2 more) batteries/single 6amphr battery/impact driver

none of them are available on the home depot website
...will they ever be available?

https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-18-Volt-ONE-LITHIUM-HP-3-0-Ah-Battery-2-Pack-Charger-and-Bag-with-Bonus-18-Volt-4-0-Ah-Lithium-Ion-Battery-2-Pack-P166-P145/312166823

>Makita
>Just as good if not better than its red and yellow counterparts
>Goes on sale way more because numbnuts fall for the milwaukee advertisement meme
>Mfw getting Makita stuff 50-100 bucks off