/diy/ - Do It Yourself

your own fucking fault faggot

>>1563711
Looks like a retard put a door handle through a wall.

>>1563713
Probably a drunk croation.

>>1563712
Stop making walls out of literal cardboard and paper

>>1563720
Enjoy your warped concrete wall

>>1563722
Enjoy your incorrectly squared room corners and mold

Is that a lath and plaster wall you got there?

>>1563711
Take an anger management class

>>1563718
they shoot each other tho. In Croatia, ones walls go bulletproof, or one go coffin

>>1563711
You could have prevented this

>>1563990
Why would a buttplug have prevented this?

>>1563711
>it's someone else's fault I punched a hole in my wall!

typical american attitude.

>>1564371
Stop building houses out of hard paper

>>1564387
Whether it be the walls or the doorknob, you'll break something if you act like a subhuman pavement ape indoors.

I did this once when trying to pull a light with those really tough clips out of the roof because I could get a grip on them with my fingers so I was told to yank it out

>>1564623
I'll break you

This is pathetic. Euros are always seething, all the time about Americans. Do you ever once stop and think, "wow, I talk a lot of shit about them, but they never seem to care?"
That's because we don't. We don't care about you, we don't care about your opinions, we are the kings and you will always be 3rd world.

>>1564697
Holy shit! Somebody else from the states is actually standing up to this crap! It's like every fucking day I have to hear some brit say something about america. They can't go a single fucking day without some how bringing it up. I'm at the point where I can't even watch or listen to any british turd do literally anything anymore because it will always, SOMEHOW, come back to some fucking unrequested statement about the states.

I was watching a brit speedrun Fallout 3, and he was talking about the engine and collision and how blinking through walls worked. Then out of no where, a whole second later, he's harping on the education system in the states. As if the uk education system was flawless or something, but that's beside the point. The change in topics was so sudden, I'm not even sure if a period was involved. One second he's like, "here how the collision works" and with the same breathe, "grade school education in the states is fucked". It was an hour and a half speedrun and he couldn't even go 45 minutes before his cultural conditioning kicked in.

And the worst part was I ended up watching that speedrun because I got tired of hearing another brit arbitrarily bash the states out of no where while he was playing TF2. In a similar fashion, he was talking about brown rice recipes, and then suddenly he's talking shit about the states.

I don't know what the fucking obsession is, but they need to just fuck a US flag and get it out of their system. The average american spends 0 seconds every week thinking about the uk. The average brit can't go 45 minutes without saying SOMETHING about the states. So who's the bigger influance here? Just roll up a US flag, lube it up real nice, and vigorously massage the daylights out of your prostate with it.

>>1564355

That's not a butt plug, it's a butt screw, note the threads

>>1564697
it's not euros. it's mostly germans who are seething. germans have some inbred superiority complex yet history proves over and over again that they are inferior. so they lash out every opportunity they get.
desu the morgenthau plan should have been implemented after the war. germans would be much happier as an uneducated agrarian society

>>1564697
In soviet russian not even the tsar bomb can make a hole the size of a needle in a wall, how can ameritards compete?

>>1564757
How will I know if my threads are compatible?

>>1564751
>this post
>The average american spends 0 seconds every week thinking about the uk
I'm clapping out loud, this is a work of art.

>>1564943
If people start replying to them.

>>1563725
>incorrectly squared room corners
No, they are 90° no shit, since I live in metal frame house, and it is impossible to fuck up this (it requires supreme skill).
>mold
Implying concrete doesn't get mold.

>>1565029
>he doesn't use antifungal/antibacterial concrete

>>1563990
that thing would rip out of the wall the first time you boinged it

>>1564751
Well gee, perhaps it's because we get "culturally enriched" by your borderline retarded trailer trash kike propaganda on a daily basis. Every fucking cancer that originates in the States finds its way over here. Starbucks. Instagram thot eyebrows and big butts on fleek. Black Lives Matter. Oreos. Trans History Month. The Kardashians. Nigger music. Third wave feminism. SJW social engineering disguised as kids cartoons. Yeah, thanks for all that, mate.

You never export any of the good stuff to us, do you? We can't buy handguns to ward off the inevitable nigger knifing or """British"" Muslim" suicide bombing. We don't get petrol for pennies a gallon. We don't get a full acre of backyard with our detached picket fence McMansion for middle class arseholes. Imagine New York housing costs across the entire Southern half of the country, and the only reason housing is affordable in the uninhabited Northern wasteland is because it's basically fucking Mordor, except the Orcs wear caps and Adidas and headbutt you if you don't give them 50p.

So yeah, we get pretty fucking butthurt about you stupid faggots jacking off to the flag with your stupid limp dicks that were circumcised for (((aesthetic and health))) reasons, shovelling processed food substitute into your fat veneer-toothed heads, building "houses" out of sheet cardboard and LOL"two by fours" like fucking children given access to power tools. Jesus Christ man, you guys are meant to be the dominant culture in the world; the only superpower. Stop acting like mongoloids.

>>1565143
Because there is no need, since drywall doesn't get mold for no reason.
Also, those antifungi thing doesn't last particularly long.

>>1565253
Your mom could use some antifungal

>>1565260
I'm not sure how this will help some carbon dust, but ok

>>1565273
Have you tried unplugging it and plugging it back in?

>>1565277
No, my dad tried.

>>1565249
>We are over-saturated with your culture and we are now insecure about our own.
Then why the fuck is it whenever a brit does their impression of someone from the states, it's ALWAYS done with a southern accent? It's NEVER done with an accent of somebody from new york, new jersey, minnesota, southern california, or any place other than the most country-fried parts of the states. If you're really over-exposed to US culture then why the fuck can't any of the inbred teasucking egomaniacs on that floating dog turd do any accent other than "southern" US?

Hell, even the most southern parts have let in enough outside culture that they don't even speak with that accent anymore. At this point it's just a fictional, made-for-TV accent you can't really find in large quantities, even in the south. By now, I think there are more brits using that accent than americans.

Also, a lot of the shit you're mentioning stems from california. If it has anything to do with some dumbass hipster movement, like trannies, avacados on toast, sjw bullshit, manbuns, skinny jeans, being offended on behalf of other races, and other retarded shit like that, it probably came from california. And for the record, we're not very fond of california either. It isn't yet a nationwide embarrassment like the south, but it's getting there.

Besides, what you're really being overpowered by is capitalism. Starbucks and other stupid shit like that is there because it prospered here. Likewise, other businesses that succeed in other countries, end up here too, so it's not like it's something special that only happens to the uk. I would love to use a successful business from the uk as an example of this, but I don't think there are any.

>We don't get petrol for pennies a gallon.
I don't know what you've heard but... yeah. Unless you're talking about some kind of trade agreement, the public certainly isn't paying pennies for gas. Unless you mean ~350 pennies a gallon.

>>1565249
(cont from >>1565424)
In any case, it sounds like your country could get over its complicated Dr. Frank-N-Furter-esque feelings towards the states if they just moved to the states. Or at least just moved out of the uk. If this whole thing really is just jealousy, then do what every other successful brit has done and just move the fuck out of the uk.

I'm not trying to take a cheap shot here, but:
>"blah blah blah! the glorious british empire! it's so great! and so on! now help me pack up my stuff so I can move to another country and become way more successful than I could ever possibly be in the uk."
Are the british intentionally being this ironic?

It seems like the most successful brits and canadians in the world don't even live in the uk or canada respectively. Many of them live in the us, but both populations still can't resist the urge to talk shit about the states. This batshit insane mentality baffles me.

>>1565424
A bit like how every American's impression of a British accent is some godawful cockney squawking? Thats an accent so geographically specific that it's a subset of one damn city. Secondly, nobody speaks cockney these days, it's all urban afro Caribbean vernacular or whatever the fuck its called.

>>1565426
>pack up my stuff so I can move to another country and become way more successful than I could ever possibly be in the uk.

I done exactly that

>>1564697
>I care so little I made an extra image to show how little I care and I'll post in every thread about how little I care.
As long as Americans are that easily triggered, people are gonna keep making fun of them.

>>1563720
If you want to live in a building with solid walls, whether they're concrete or CMU, expect to pay out your ass.

There's a reason we use studs and drywall.

>>1564751
>Holy shit! Somebody else from the states is actually standing up to this crap!
how fucking new are you, can't go a week on 4chan without running into an american whinging about europeans whinging about americans

>>1565424
>Then why the fuck is it whenever a brit does their impression of someone from the states, it's ALWAYS done with a southern accent?
because people pick iconic accents to imitate and the southern accent is one of your only interesting accents, the regional differences between most american accents are so minute that the rest of the world doesn't even care to bother learning the differences between them
it's kind of how yanks can only imitate canadians by saying 'how aboot the weather eh' or imitate brits by doing a cockney accent or using a non-rhotic standard english accent that next to nobody speaks
>It's NEVER done with an accent of somebody from new york, new jersey, minnesota, southern california
you're honestly fucking retarded if you think brits or even canadians can't pull of a boston/ny/valley girl/cali accent
>Also, a lot of the shit you're mentioning stems from california.
don't worry, you have plenty of retarded right wing culture too, like rural gun toting yokels getting shot by their toddlers, libertardians advocating for unpasteurised milk only to get the shits from it, religious puritans suggesting cornflakes stop masturbation, dry counties, letting jews mutilate your dicks, corporate culture and brand worship, etc
>I would love to use a successful business from the uk as an example of this, but I don't think there are any.
>what is unilever, hsbc, vodafone, bp, shell

>>1565424
>It's NEVER done with an accent of somebody from new york, new jersey, minnesota, southern california
Southern California is probably the most common one, followed by New Yoik or New Joizey.

Most Americans think that the entirety of Canada speaks with a Minnesota accent too, yall idiots.

>>1565249
Just an FYI, the liberals use you to their advantage. If you fuckers would just vote hardcore right-wing there would be no issues. You gave them a scare with the brexit deal, but liberals still view the UK as a paradise, and all normal Americans hate it. It's everything we stand against. Inflated COL, insane property costs, abusive government who hates their own people, no guns, no rights... You're fucked by your own people. Your people WANT what the liberals ship to you.

I can't tell you how many times I've heard a MM reporter or guest say "we should be more like the UK" or "we should be more like Europe"

>>1565253
>Because there is no need, since drywall doesn't get mold for no reason
It does

>>1565586
If it is dry (more-less) - it doesn't.
Wooden structure, on the other hand, needs all this, since it will rot like a hell without it. Also water vapor insulation is important.

I'd say concrete and drywall are pretty similar in terms of mold.

>>1565548
>think that the entirety of Canada speaks with a Minnesota accent
d rather they think that than know that it actually sounds like chinese and indian accents

>>1565557
>If you fuckers would just vote hardcore right-wing there would be no issues

We're fucking trying, OKAY?

>>1565798
Obviously not hard enough

Kinda funny story. (I'm european) My parents bought a 150+ year old framed house. As you would expect, the walls have big cracks and holes here and there, from all the decades. So you can actually see out onto the streets here and there.

Instead of insulating it all to death and getting mold, my dad just put up slats on the existing walls and used 22mm (that's almost an inch, for your measurementally challanged types) OSB to cover all the walls. Makes for a nice sturdy surface to mount stuff, and seals up all the holes so people on the streets can't peep on you.

The idea of having drywall as walls is ... quite hillarious to me.

>>1563720
Stop being a clumsy retard

>>1566388
>t. Dumb lazy American

>>1563711
if only there was some kind of device to stop a door from hitting a wall.

I'll call it a stopdoor

>>1565842
Aren't you worried about formaldehyde? I'm going to do a double skin wall for my place, save the glued together stuff for the external wall, use drywall type stuff for the internal wall so I'm not constantly huffing glue.

>>1568028
it's never your fault that the door hits the wall."No, door, stop!", you yell, yet it violently abuses the wall anyways.

>>1566388
>builds walls out of chalk and paper
>hurr durr why did you put hole in wall be less clumsy
Eventually, the USA is going to realize that they were sold cardboard homes, low grade steel cars, fake plastic leather and fake plastic fabrics, with china-metal and china-made everything else. They're going to realize that the garbage they own is all cheap shit bought because they were too proud of "american made," too ignorant to know what to look for, and too cheap to buy anything proper.

>>1565493
I've been campaigning to get it called Jafaican

>>1563711
what the fuck is wrong with people on this board?

Cheap housing is cheap for a reason.

Meanwhile in glorious stone and concrete germany I get far less square meters than I could get in the US for the same price.

I would LOVE to have a basic open floor plan 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom bungalow, but the cost of an american-sized double garage alone would break the bank - if it's built to the german standard.


Daily reminder that 80% of germany lives in apartments
Daily reminder that maybe 5% of germans have a double garage.
Daily reminder that maybe 1% of germans have their own pool.

>>1570193
Germany also has 700% the population density of the US.

I'd seriously hope that property is a lot cheaper in the US.

>>1570195
it's not about property value. If I try to build a house in berlin of course the price is higher than if I try to build it in the countryside. In the same way I can get more acres in montana than in southern california for the same money.

it's about the price for cubature.

In the US you have the choice from everything from a trailer home to a hollywood architect. Only your budget is the limit.

In Germany the "low-cost" side simply doesn't exist.

>>1570202
You can live in a trailer in Germany if you want.
Only extreme lefties do that here, though.

>>1570207
>not moving from St. Pauli to Jamel so you can host your own annual anti-racism concert
What are you, a Nazi or something?!
There's no room in Germany for People Like You™.

>>1565029
Steel beam? Are you just pretending to be retarded or are you genuinely one of those people who talks a lot of shit they don't know about
Because I install drywall and coat it, and I know for a fucking fact that steel beam LOVES to move around, even after the sheets are on.
Unless you've got some sort thicker, stronger beams in which case that's super expensive for a house but good on you.

Pic related is regular steel beam in the jobs I do (I hate this shit)

>>1570216
Shitty workmanship cope

>>1570223
You haven't even lifted a sheet of drywall in your life, you fucking spic

>>1570228
I lifted more sheets than men your mom sleeps with per week

>>1570235
U Mad Virgin AFK

>>1570235
The way you worded that, while intelligible, is extremely awkward.
A better way of insulting him would be to link cladding sheets to bedsheets, an example may be:
>I hang more sheets than your mom does after a hard day's work.
This implies that his mother is a prostitute who is in such high demand that she must hang numerous bedsheets to dry after a busy day "on the job"

>>1563722
so what? I don't have two square corners in my house and it still works

>>1565029
>Implying concrete doesn't get mold.
How about you open your windows sometimes

>>1564697
i'm convinced most of these amricunts and europoor memes are just russian propaganda to hurt relations between the two. like who the fuck writes like that

>>1563722
>warped concrete

wat?
I dont even...never mind.

>amerifats

>>1570193
>>1570195
>Germany also has 700% the population density of the US.

USA has insane ammounts of space compare the Europe so there is the answer about us being gloriously cucked by apartments...still their residential builds are a clown world lol.

>>1564751
>>1564697
>Euros are always seething, all the time about Americans. Do you ever once stop and think, "wow, I talk a lot of shit about them, but they never seem to care?"
>>1570393
>i'm convinced most of these amricunts and europoor memes are just russian propaganda to hurt relations between the two. like who the fuck writes like that

Idk lads, I just like a bit of friendly banter, I really think we can learn from each other, some stuff in EU is obviously crap, some stuff of USofF150 is also crap (not hard to guess which ones are those ayy). Even the apple pie big tits muscle car man like Matt Risinger admited it on his trip to Europe. I really have no bad will towards USA and I genuinly envy you on some stuff, but not so much on others (not hard to guess which ones are those ayy).

really no bad will towards americans.

yours trully

a humble brick seller

>>1570216
I have 1.6 and 1.0 mm structural beams (C, U-shaped ones). and 0.85 for internal non-bearing walls.
They are indeed quite sturdy (I can stand on box made of those without any problems), and cost slightly more, than wood.
Europoors use 0.3 mm garbage for non-structural purposes. It really bends like a sore dick.
>>1570366
Same can be said about drywall.
But yeah, I usually open windows, if I'm not using AC.
>>1570403
Making ideal concrete wall is difficult, it will have a lot of imperfections and inconsistentes.
This is why people smooth walls with special concrete or plaster mix, or put drywall.

>>1570435
>Making ideal concrete wall is difficult, it will have a lot of imperfections and inconsistentes.

correct, but not that big of a problem and way less warpy then that young pine frame you use, also almost 0 warp when bricks. The advantages outweight the disadvantages by a mile.

>>1570443
Bro why are those bricks so empty? It looks like you could punch through one with your fist.

>>1570459
>Bro why are those bricks so empty?

insulation with low mass and bigger speed of masonry. You cant brake them with a punch them when in the wall but you should drill them carefully.

>>1570464
Cool. Do you need to do a double-wall thing with that?

>>1570443
>correct, but not that big of a problem
It depends, some walls (especially in pre-fab commie blocks) are pretty wrapped, due to poor manufacturing (which is to be expected in ex-USSR) etc.
It required a lot of plaster to fix the warp. Absolutely doable tho, but required some practice.
>way less warpy then that young pine frame you use
Maybe. I'm not sure, but they look pretty straight to me.
They are more like a replacement for wooden framing, than concrete.
>also almost 0 warp when bricks
If done properly - absolutely, they are pretty straight.
My first floor is constructed just like on your pic, but with rebars inserted in bricks, since I live now in pretty seismic area. (And second floor with roof are made from steel beams and drywall)
>The advantages outweight the disadvantages by a mile.
Concrete (or brick) lasts longer and doesn't require much maintenance, but it is more difficult to build with, to route wiring, pipes, etc.
Wooden framing doesn't last as long (without proper care), flammable, but it is easier to build with, easier to route wiring, pipes, etc. Also it is cheaper.
Steel framing lasts unknown amount of time (since it is pretty new thing) and slightly more expensive than wood, but it is pretty easy to built with it, easy to route pipes and wires, and it doesn't burn.

>>1570459
They aren't drywall, you'd break your fist.

>>1564948
>I'm clapping out loud, this is a work of art.
>Amerilards clapping out loud at the """"moooovies"""""
POTTERY

>>1570469
nope, just a single wall, that goes for inner and outerwalls, but here knauf/drywall shit is getting more popular for inner walls.

those are quite chunky bricks btw, smth like 30x30x40cm so masonry costs drops signficantly and you can be less precise with them and get good results compared to smaller anglo style bricks.

>>1570470
>some walls (especially in pre-fab commie blocks) are pretty wrapped

can confirm, precise walls were considered fluff there

>>1570470
>Wooden framing doesn't last as long (without proper care), flammable, but it is easier to build with, easier to route wiring, pipes, etc. Also it is cheaper.

far from it, legit wooden frame with mortise tenon joinery is very expensive, even mcmansion framing with OSB is expensive when you count it the ammount of (cheap mexican) labour

>>1570470
>Steel framing lasts unknown amount of time

steel is pretty warpy in residential and very bad at fires. wood actually outperforms steel in fires since it warps less in high temp

>>1565514
upboated

>>1570476
>far from it, legit wooden frame with mortise tenon joinery is very expensive, even mcmansion framing with OSB is expensive when you count it the ammount of (cheap mexican) labour
I don't think such wood joints are wide used. AFAIK people use Simpson Strong-tie, or simple cut outs and nails. Idk, honestly, never dealt with wooden framing.
>steel is pretty warpy in residential
Ones with 1.0+ mm walls are relatively straight. Definitely straighter, that soviet concrete panel prefabs or wood.
>and very bad at fires. wood actually outperforms steel in fires since it warps less in high temp
I'm not sure about that.
While wooden house will catch on fire (since wood burns), steel one won't burn (since it is made from drywall, which doesn't really burn, fiberglass insulation, and fiber cement siding doesn't burn too).
But, there is a problem. Hot steel is weaker than burning wood, also, steel expands quite dramatically. So I guess you shouldn't use OSB on steel...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZnWDSgoxWE - here it looks OK
https://www.fireengineering.com/articles/print/volume-159/issue-6/features/the-dangers-of-lightweight-steel-construction.html - here it looks not OK.
Also 9/11 didn't looked that great.

In any case, brick will BTFO everything in fire.

>>1570496
And yeah, don't forget that steel is lighter than wood, so weakening might be not an issue.

>>1570509
>don't forget that steel is lighter than wood, so weakening might be not an issue.
Yeah well you can't tile a roof with steel can you

>>1570512
>he doesn't have a steel roof
Peasant

>>1570512
You wat m8?
Even if you have OSB+asphalt tiles (like I do), it shouldn't rise temperature of steel roof structure much.

>>1570512
you totally fuckin can buddy

>>1563711
YouTube how to drywall. Or learn masonry and stop being a cunt

>>1564879
гниoтca ниe лaмиoтca

Bends but not breaks, that is how they build stuff in coвиeт pyccиa

>>1563720
I would rather live in a pretty cardboard house that I own than be stuck renting some “muh brick” shit hole because brick, mortar and plaster cost too much.

America is #1 because we figured out how to make the American dream affordable.

>>1565424
Don’t forget most national news anchors speak in an Iowa accent

>>1573634
>the American dream

>>1570216
This is a light gage stud.

Not steel beam.

>>1570443
There's a reason we stopped using hollow clay masonry in the states about 50 years ago because the brittle failure state is so low. The walls of the bricks at the base of a structure tended to blow out like pic related.

So we switched to CMU.

>>1573887
Looks like it was in earthquake of sort..

>>1568052
>>1565842
>Aren't you worried about formaldehyde?

That has been banned like 2 decades ago in germany. All the particle board i have seen as a kid had "no formaldehyde" printings on it when i was a kid.

By now they stopped printing it on, because well you can't legally import them into germany anymore for 20 years now or something.

>>1570193
>Meanwhile in glorious stone and concrete germany I get far less square meters than I could get in the US for the same price.

That is true due to many reasons, none of them being building materials.

In germany, you'll pay 100.000 bucks on a lot to build on to start with. And it will be a much smaller lot, not large enough for a gigantic house. You can't just fill it up entirely, there is rules for how much space must be left around the house.
Then most german houses come with a basement which is dug out and poured in massive concrete with a foundation ontop.
Energy costs in germany are high, we pay 0.25 to 0.3€ per kWh. In the US it is like half of that. Don't even get started with oil and gas for heating. Also a lot more expensive.

If you had ever seen a house build in germany, then you would know that the walls out of solid stone are just about the cheapest item on the entire list.
1m2 of wall, that's 10,5 sq ft, are around 30 bucks in stones. And 2-3 guys will errect the walls for the house in 3-4 days, not much different than framing and sheeting it with shitty plywood. Believe me, material cost of stone vs wood is a joke.
What makes a house expensive is the solid foundation and basement, electrical shit, heating, the roof, windows, etc.
But not the fucking walls.

>>1563711
dont swing hammers at your wall. problem solved

>>1573889
This is a controlled experiment in a lab to demonstrate how axial forces distribute thru a brick wall.

>>1565842
>Instead of insulating it all to death and getting mold

Insulation does not cause mold. The worst it can do is reduce heat transfer through your walls that dries out moisture. But that's not worth losing then gaining heat in the winter and summer respectively. Plus this building is old so the materials can absorb a lot of water before saturating and rotting.

Things that contribute to mold are bad rain screening, wet brick/stone heated by the sun and driving moisture in the house, using vapor barriers incorrectly etc.

Also just so you know, OSB is mold food. Paperless drywall is not. OSB is also less vapor permeable than drywall. It's not going to be a problem either way, but if you had other factors causing a problem some types of drywall would prevent mold better.

Is the OSB ugly?

>>1565515
>There's a reason we use studs and drywall.

Being jewish isnt a reason.

>American lock quality
>toddler rakes it open

EURO POWWA!!!!

>>1573887
>The walls of the bricks at the base of a structure tended to blow out like pic related.

I dont get your point, hollow clay is obviously weaker than full brick. That compromise is somehow equated with better insulation, lower cost, lower weight and speed of masonry.

>loading failure

Again, I dont get your point, hollow/aerated bricks dont hold the load, RC beams and RC floors hold it.

>>1574293

>Insulation does not cause mold. The worst it can do is reduce heat transfer through your walls that dries out moisture. But that's not worth losing then gaining heat in the winter and summer respectively. Plus this building is old so the materials can absorb a lot of water before saturating and rotting.

>Things that contribute to mold are bad rain screening, wet brick/stone heated by the sun and driving moisture in the house, using vapor barriers incorrectly etc.

We're not talking about a regular, new house here. Neither all wood contruction or bricks. It's a traditional european style framed house, basically 10 by 10 inch oak beams with hand made mortis and tenons, with a V grove in every frame with oak 2 by 4's hammered in. Then they weave in finger thick branches and cover it in clay. Pic related is similar.

Add 150 years of age, and no you won't just vaporbarrier this and insulate it like it's a normal house.

>Also just so you know, OSB is mold food.

There is plenty ventilation and no moisture that can stick around. We did this 15 years ago, no issues so far. I don't expect any (ever)

>some types of drywall would prevent mold better.

Neither me, nor my dad, consider drywall a suitable building material.

>Is the OSB ugly?

Do you think my parents are niggers and live with pure OSB walls? There is obviously stucco or wallpaper on it.

>>1574293

>Insulation does not cause mold. The worst it can do is reduce heat transfer through your walls that dries out moisture. But that's not worth losing then gaining heat in the winter and summer respectively. Plus this building is old so the materials can absorb a lot of water before saturating and rotting.

>Things that contribute to mold are bad rain screening, wet brick/stone heated by the sun and driving moisture in the house, using vapor barriers incorrectly etc.

We're not talking about a regular, new house here. Neither all wood contruction or bricks. It's a traditional european style framed house, basically 10 by 10 inch oak beams with hand made mortis and tenons, with a V grove in every frame with oak 2 by 4's hammered in. Then they weave in finger thick branches and cover it in clay. Pic related is similar.

Add 150 years of age, and no you won't just vaporbarrier this and insulate it like it's a normal house.

>Also just so you know, OSB is mold food.

There is plenty ventilation and no moisture that can stick around. We did this 15 years ago, no issues so far. I don't expect any (ever)

>some types of drywall would prevent mold better.

Neither me, nor my dad, consider drywall a suitable building material.

>Is the OSB ugly?

Do you think my parents are niggers and live with pure OSB walls? There is obviously stucco or wallpaper on it.

>>1574293
>Insulation does not cause mold.
If it's uniform. If not, then you generally will have problems. Especially in pre WW2 houses.

>>1574436
Wrong. Super wrong

>>1574438
No. There's a reason why e.g. The Finnish Heritage Agency strictly forbids all sorts of spray foams and shit in listed buildings. It rots them.

>>1574438
>>1574443
Is it more to do with ventilation? Adding insulation can fuck with the natural air flow and so moisture has no escape and this causes mold? Or am I a retard?

>>1564691
Your funny

>>1574586
in bed

>>1574394
Wish I knew how shit Master was six months ago. My local hardware store basically only had Master locks and stuff on the shelves, so I got some of them, and a burglar successfully a padlock apart. With a pair of pliers and my barbeque tongs.

Little did I know that the more decent stuff was stored behind the counter, because it's more expensive. Got some Lockwood padlocks (Australian brand, now owned by Assa Abloy), and they held up when they came back. The fence and my shed door gave out before the padlocks did, so hooray I suppose?

>tl;dr DO NOT BUY MASTER PRODUCTS

>>1574431
>Then they weave in finger thick branches and cover it in clay.

Yeah you got me. So you do have a bad rain screen and reservoir that gets heated by the sun. You might be able to spray foam it like a masonry wall, but sticks can't stay wet long like masonry can.

https://www.buildingscience.com/documents/digests/bsd-114-interior-insulation-retrofits-of-load-bearing-masonry-walls-in-cold-climates

>Neither me, nor my dad, consider drywall a suitable building material.

Why not?

>Do you think my parents are niggers and live with pure OSB walls? There is obviously stucco or wallpaper on it.

Find out if your stucco and wallpaper are vapor permeable. If not I would be suspicious of sun exposed exterior walls if you live in a warm climate.

>>1574436
>If it's uniform. If not, then you generally will have problems. Especially in pre WW2 houses.
No idea what you mean.
>>1574443
You can do spray foam wrong, and something called the "heritage agency" might forgo comfort and energy efficiency for heritage. Most old buildings can be insulated in a conventional way, just not every conventional way.

>>1574446
You can dry out with air flow, but it sucks for controlling the temperature and humidity in your house efficiently. But if you go air tight you need to make sure things don't get too wet from the rain, and dry out with vapor permeable materials because you're no longer relying on air transfer to carry moisture out or heat to evaporate it.

>>1574613

>>Neither me, nor my dad, consider drywall a suitable building material.

>Why not?

'Cause we don't like to have a doorhandle shape stamped into the wall everytime someone slams a door open.

>>Do you think my parents are niggers and live with pure OSB walls? There is obviously stucco or wallpaper on it.

>Find out if your stucco and wallpaper are vapor permeable.

Who gives a shit. Has been working for 15 years.

>>1574618
>'Cause we don't like to have a doorhandle shape stamped into the wall everytime someone slams a door open.

You'll never make a hole in OSB but you can ding any finish that's applied to it. Do you not use door stops? Why should a part of your house be able to strike another part of your house?

>Who gives a shit. Has been working for 15 years.

I too can see mold and rot behind wallpaper and stucco.

You won't know until its mush.

>>1574621
Where the fuck do you work, Ecuador? Uganda?

>>1574623
Burgerland

>>1563990
this just turns your floorboard into a crumple zone to protect the drywall.

What we all need to realize is that 1/8" sheetrock and tyvek house wrap improves the structure by means of weight reduction. decreasing gyroscopic inertia and overall it leads to a better and lower drag coefficient.

>>1574627
>this just turns your floorboard into a crumple zone to protect the drywall.

Do Europeans also pretend the base moulding isn't a convention they invented and we don't still use it?

*makes your walls affordable with the same variety of colors and finishes as lath and plaster*

>>1574618
>'Cause we don't like to have a doorhandle shape stamped into the wall everytime someone slams a door open.
You're complaining about modern wall cladding (I refuse to use the word drywall, the word annoys me irrationally) in houses being fragile, but live in a house with wattle and daub walls...
I've lived in both, and modern cladding is in my opinion the far superior option.
In fact, due to soil conditions where I live(d), I'd choose modern timber framed houses over brick houses too. Foundation problems with brick houses just seem like a nightmare to correct, and it's very common here because of local soil conditions. But it's fairly straightforward with timber, just jack the house up and level it.
I'd only choose stone over timber, just because sandstone is nice and comfy.

>[Croatian screaming intensifies]
You heard me, Zdravko.

Also, as the other anon said, doorstops. I don't think I've hit a wall with a door since I was a teenager though, but it never made more than a slight indentation in the gypsum boards we mostly use here.

>n.b. never lived in a concrete house, so I can't rightfully judge them, but the sorts of people that live in concrete housing puts me right off the idea.

>>1574401
Do you have any resources from your country/etc that describe how to design with hollow clay masonry structurally? I actually could use more sources for work.

Also I'm gonna try to explain myself once more:

basically masonry f'c = 4000 psi, clay masonry f'c = 2500 psi

Fully grouted load bearing walls of your clay masonry are prone to brittle failure over time where CMU is not.

>>1565029
Concrete doesn't get mold. You've looked up at a freeway overpass and seen mold. Houses are meant to have this thing called waterproofing.

>>1563711
>>You're complaining about modern wall cladding (I refuse to use the word drywall, the word annoys me irrationally) in houses being fragile, but live in a house with wattle and daub walls...

You know, when my dad bought the house, he looked at all these holes in the walls and gaps and stuff, and was like "let's just empty out these framing beam fields and put some bricks in".

So he got a sledgehammer, and started hammering on some of those "wattle and daub" walls.
Nothing happened. There is so much solid oak wood joined with mortise and tenon in there that it would take hours just to remove one of those. The clay has straw mixed in, so it's basically fiber composite mixed in with all the oak.
These walls are extremely sturdy. Not to mention the framing is 10 by 10 inch solid oak beams.

> I've lived in both, and modern cladding is in my opinion the far superior option.

You can't even hang shit on the wall properly. Jesus. Yeah yeah HURR DURR just get a studfinder and bolt to a stud.

Guess what, if we want to hang something, we just get a handful of woodscrews and screw it on, and it's so solid you can put heavy stuff on it and sleep well.

>Foundation problems with brick houses just seem like a nightmare to correct

Never heard of "foundation problems".

>and it's very common here because of local soil conditions.

That's why in europe we dig out a fair bit too much, fill with gravel, compact the shit out of it, and then cast a solid concrete basement.
Literally never heard about anyone having troubles with that.

>>1574707
>Do you have any resources from your country/etc that describe how to design with hollow clay masonry structurally?

Aerated blocks arent unique to my country, but more of a standard in continental europe.

Regarding structure, I look some resources but in essence its like a timber frame/tudor house - you use RC instead of timber and aerated blocks instead of adobe. So nothing different structurally compared to houses in Florida where they use concrete blocks instead of clay ones.

Also, when the external insulation is planned, they usually put more concrete in walls as opposed to "brick filling" so some 2 story buildings might actually have 80% concrete as outer walls.

>>1574779
>Concrete doesn't get mold.

everything that is porous can get mold and even granite is porous - the trick is in water management with smart house design and avoiding trapping water in walls.

>>1574792
>Never heard of "foundation problems".

true, its quite bizzare how many fundamental problems burger construction has, they even have a "fix" where they "change foundations" of the entire house...dude, if your foundations suck you should demo your enitre house.

>>1574792
>So he got a sledgehammer, and started hammering on some of those "wattle and daub" walls.
>Nothing happened. There is so much solid oak wood joined with mortise and tenon in there that it would take hours just to remove one of those. The clay has straw mixed in, so it's basically fiber composite mixed in with all the oak.

is this UK? can you give more info on the house... that sounds like a sturdy house, but you shouldn't fill half timber with bricks, its too much loading for the frame.

>>1574792
>You can't even hang shit on the wall properly.
Completely and laughably wrong.

>Jesus. Yeah yeah HURR DURR just get a studfinder and bolt to a stud.
That's an option sure, but you can hang a fair amount of weight just on the cladding itself.

>That's why in europe we dig out a fair bit too much, fill with gravel, compact the shit out of it, and then cast a solid concrete basement.
>Literally never heard about anyone having troubles with that.
We do that here too. Like I said, local conditions here can fuck brick and concrete up.

>>1574802
>That's an option sure, but you can hang a fair amount of weight just on the cladding itself.

drywall is a big thing in Europe as well, its still bs (and probably very unhealthy to the end user) construction method. Wattle and daub, lathe and plaster, just brick wall systems are superior in almost all ways to shitty drywall.

>local conditions here can fuck brick and concrete up.

no they cant, they just tell you that to oversell you shitty construction methods.

>>1574818
>and probably very unhealthy to the end user
...no. Just no.

>no they cant, they just tell you that to oversell you shitty construction methods.
I've seen it with my own eyes many times here, you idiot.

>>1574799
>is this UK?

Germany.

>can you give more info on the house...

It's just what we europeans call a "framed" house. They've been building them here for a 1000 years like that, and i've seen 800 year old houses that still were mostly original.

>that sounds like a sturdy house

They're very sturdy.

>but you shouldn't fill half timber with bricks, its too much loading for the frame.

People do that here all the time, why would it be an issue. We're talking 10x10 inch solid oak beams here that span maybe 2 feet and then have to carry 4-9 square feet of brick wall. Laughable load.

The key why the individual patches in the frame are so sturdy is the mortise and tenon type slot all around, see picture. And the basket pattern weaving together with clay+straw makes it into a very strong composite piece.
If you hammer it with a sledge, it just sheds a bit of dust. It's almost like steel reinforced concrete. You have to very slowly chip away to get the clay out, then saw the ancient hard oak, and then chip away at more clay. Disgusting work.

Needless to say, me and my dad left it all in and decided to put up some OSB on the inside for smooth surfaces. Outside is just re-finished with stucco on the clay and some good paint on the wood. Lots of paintwork, but looks nice for sure.
The major renovation on that house was 15-20 years ago when we moved in. No major problems with anything so likely nothing will change until my parents die. Don't live there anymore, moved out years ago.

>>1573634
>America is #1..
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHA

Number one in what?
Death rates?
Polluted drinkwater?
Third world infrastructure?
Homeless people?
Drug addicts?
Alcoholics?
Lying politicians?
Media indoctrination?
Major division on ALL important factors?

Man fuck this but the list is long. Point is, no Bubba, 'murica is the only third world white country. You're making us look bad.

>>1574937
>source: my ass
You don't know what you're talking about lmao

>>1574792
>You can't even hang shit on the wall properly. Jesus.
>and it's so solid you can put heavy stuff on it and sleep well.

"properly" is just your bullshit no true scotsman to dismiss something that works fine. What's heavy and shorter in width than 16"? When there is such a thing you can just get wall mounting hardware.

>Yeah yeah HURR DURR just get a studfinder and bolt to a stud.
>Guess what, if we want to hang something, we just get a handful of woodscrews and screw it on

Notice how you put an extreme premium on your time in the few moments in your life when you need to mount something on a wall, yet you don't value your time when you're working to pay for osb/plywood or whatever alternative you're suggesting over spending your money where it makes a difference.

>Never heard of "foundation problems".
If you're that new you should keep most of your opinions to yourself.

>That's why in europe we dig out a fair bit too much, fill with gravel, compact the shit out of it, and then cast a solid concrete basement.
>they just spend money, labor, and time and I pretend performance is the only metric for superiority

right

>>1574818
>its still bs (and probably very unhealthy to the end user)
Don't buy chinese drywall from from 2009 then

>Wattle and daub, lathe and plaster, just brick wall systems are superior in almost all ways to shitty drywall.
Oh I'm laughin. Protip: "The three little pigs" is a children's fable where construction costs and energy costs didn't matter.

>>1575007
>Notice how you put an extreme premium on your time in the few moments in your life when you need to mount something on a wall

No. We put a premium on having solid walls in a solid house that will be inherited by the next generation.

>yet you don't value your time when you're working to pay for osb/plywood or whatever alternative you're suggesting

I am not suggesting ANYTHING. This is the way my dad did it, this is the way i do it, and we both like it. If you disagree, and you can have decent reasons to do that, be my guest.

>over spending your money where it makes a difference.

There is no big difference in money spend or time invested desu.

>>Never heard of "foundation problems".
>If you're that new you should keep most of your opinions to yourself.

Nobody here HAS foundation problems. We build them too well. You're being rude. Apply yourself.

>>they just spend money, labor, and time and I pretend performance is the only metric for superiority

>right

People here seem not to be willing to accept a lower build quality for a house. Same as everyone in europe still looks down on american cars due to leaf springs where we use independent suspension, low efficiency engines, and flimsy cheap looking plastic interior. We generally associate "made in america" with subpar quality.

If you want to live in a drywall house, be my guest. I had a small appartment as a student with a bathroom that was done in drywall, and even the hanger for the towels eventually came loose. Not for me.

>>1563720
Gotta put the affordable in affordable housing for brown people goy.

>>1575054
>No. We put a premium on having solid walls in a solid house that will be inherited by the next generation.
You're deflecting. You know wall mounting is only occasionally more convenient and it doesn't really matter against other advantages or disadvantages. If these walls were so great you wouldn't need to grasp at straws.

>I am not suggesting ANYTHING.
You are suggesting drywall is a poor choice to clad the interior of a home. Which can only suggest there's a better alternative.

>There is no big difference in money spend or time invested desu.
There is to buy OSB that is quality enough to not offgas and finish it with something that doesn't look horrendous. Drywall is ready to paint.

>Nobody here HAS foundation problems. We build them too well. You're being rude. Apply yourself.
You're delusional. You can't build your world view around not knowing someone with a problem.

>People here seem not to be willing to accept a lower build quality for a house.
The problem is you have a narrow perception of "build quality". Just because a house won't blow down and won't rot doesn't mean everything is fine. It also has to be affordable for the people who live in them to build, cool, and heat. Europe has good modern assembly methods for this. None of which are worse if they use drywall.

>I had a small appartment as a student with a bathroom that was done in drywall, and even the hanger for the towels eventually came loose. Not for me.
If you can't fix a loose thing and won't talk about bigger problems with assembly styles why are you preaching to us about quality?

>>1575267
You're talking out your ass and your points are retarded and pedantic

>>1575280
No content: the post

Next time just disagree and move on instead of trying to talk your way out of an education

>>1575285
Nah, your points aren't even worth responding to, you child

>>1574795
In the US I've had to help clients rehabilitate their sinking foundation by recommending a helical pier. Essentially prop the house on stilts thru the soil down to bed rock.

Our education regarding geotechnical engineering here is actually pretty substandard. Only poo in loos do the work.

>>1575054
>Nobody here HAS foundation problems. We build them too well.
One of Europe's biggest tourist attractions by far is a certain tower with foundation problems...

>>1575331
>helical pier

How deep do you run them?
those are solid foundations, but how much does that repair cost post-build? Seems like a fix that requires a lot of heavy machines and an insane ammount of money, is it even worth it if your house is under 100k?

>>1574822
>I've seen it with my own eyes many times here, you idiot.

Show me an example where RC and brick fails quicker than a glue framed house.

>>1575012
>"The three little pigs" is a children's fable where construction costs and energy costs didn't matter.

You can build quality with less money - its like buying hand tools on budget when you get solid durability but your only tradeoff is bigger weight of the handtool compared to the high end hammer made out of titanium.

pic rel

>>1575267
>You are suggesting drywall is a poor choice to clad the interior of a home. Which can only suggest there's a better alternative.

lathe and plaster is better.
It might be a little less slower to do than drywall but its way more durable, makes you wonder why was it ever replaces with drywalling.

>>1575424
>Show me an example where RC and brick fails quicker than a glue framed house.
Glue framed?
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>1575436
>Glue framed?

OSB walls young pine nail framed house, people call it a wood house, while its actually a glue house.

>>1575445
Uh huh, so why exactly did you bring that up? Just trying to make conversation or what?

>>1575447
it was a response to this>>1574802
>local conditions here can fuck brick and concrete up.

>>1575424
Write more essays you easily baited fag

1/3

>>1575267
>You're deflecting.

I'm not deflecting. You're being narrow minded. You can't legally build an american style house here, it is against building code. Our code sets a higher bar and demands higher standards and sturdier materials.

Also people here expect higher quality, are willing to spend more money, and would not accept american housing. In fact, american housing is a staple for jokes here. Most people are proud about their fucking garden sheds because they're sturdier than what the average american lives in. Somehow you seem to fail to understand this difference in mentality and culture.
You should maybe consult a psychologist about this.

>>I am not suggesting ANYTHING.
>You are suggesting drywall is a poor choice to clad the interior of a home.

No. I said i, as in ME PERSONALLY, do not consider it a suitable building material. That's my opinion, and i deliberately put it that way.
I specifically avoided telling other people that they shouldn't live in a pathetic drywall and cardboard contraption which is so weak that any home intruder can just punch his way in with his fists in about 5 seconds. I think it would be very inconsiderate to do so, outright impolite to tell other people how to live.

>>There is no big difference in money spend or time invested desu.
>There is to buy OSB that is quality enough to not offgas and finish it with something that doesn't look horrendous. Drywall is ready to paint.

You can't buy OSB that offgasses here. It would be illegal to sell. Again, higher standards. Drywall is tapered on both sides to allow for filling and smoothing, which OSB does not really require because good OSB has mortise and tendon on both sides. If you ever had worked with both of them, you would know that, now wouldn't you?

>>Nobody here HAS foundation problems. We build them too well. You're being rude. Apply yourself.
>You're delusional. You can't build your world view around not knowing someone with a problem.

>>1575456
Yeah, but I didn't mention OSB, did I?
Did I compare speeds of failure?
Nope, didn't do that either.
Basically, you're looking for an argument that I didn't make.

But I've seen brick houses develop serious structural issues after four or five decades through no real fault of the construction.
Stuff sometimes just completely fucks up, regardless of continent or glue content.

2/3

Uhm yeah i can. I know about a lot of common issues people have with houses, i read about them, i know multiple home owners, i've helped on multiple houses being build or renovated, and foundations are just generally not an issue.
Yeah, if you dig real hard, you will find one guy here and there with an issue. But it is so rare that you really have to dig hard to find anything.

>>People here seem not to be willing to accept a lower build quality for a house.
>The problem is you have a narrow perception of "build quality".

No. The problem is that you focus on the cost of building materials, which just doesn't matter much here at all.

If you spend 300,000 on a house, that's not 300,000 on building materials. Legal fees, the land lot, taxes, consulting architects, heating etc makes a house expensive. The walls are very cheap.

If you go from plywood, 2by4s and drywall to solid brick, you bump the price from 300,000 to 320,000 and just *NOBODY* cares about this. The attitude is "building a house is expensive, let's build it properly".

You can't errect a 50,000 shitbox here. It's not possible. The code doesn't allow it. The lot is too expensive. Architect will give you a funny look. Neighbours would badmouth you.

I know some people who live in something that is legally labeled as a weekend home, bungalow type of deal. No basement, cheap wood construction, etc. Was done by an american here in germany. It's already half rotten away, constant issues. Everyone gives them funny looks filled with pitty. It was build like 30 years ago, nowadays it would entirely violate code and isn't possible anymore.

>It also has to be affordable for the people who live in them to build

Fair enough, but you won't achieve that with a cheaper choice of building materials. Saving 10,000 bucks is irrelevant if you have fixed cost of 150-200,000 bucks or more anyways.

>cool

We have about 6 weeks of heat each year. AC is still a bit of a novelty.

3/3

>and heat

See, you know nothing about our building code. You're legally required by the code to build low energy houses with insanely good insulation here. You can't not isolate it. It's illegal. Part of the bag of reasons which makes building here expensive. And yeah, meme aerated bricks? Actually insulate well.

>>I had a small appartment as a student with a bathroom that was done in drywall, and even the hanger for the towels eventually came loose. Not for me.
>If you can't fix a loose thing and won't talk about bigger problems with assembly styles why are you preaching to us about quality?

You're either using a pathetic style of passive aggressive behaviour in an attempt to "win the discussion" or you're not very bright. I've never even mentioned what happened after it came loose. I only stated that it did came loose because some retard screwed a shitty small plastic drywall anchor into the drywall and mounted the hanger onto it, which didn't last.

Obviously i fixed it. But it was impossible for the poor guy who mounted it to mount it properly in the first place. He couldn't use studs. The studs on the right were used for the sink, and the studs on the left were in the shower. Even someone of your limited intellect might be capable of realising that a towel hanger in a shower might not be a good idea.

I solved the issue by chamfering a piece of plywood which i painted in the color of the wall, and then glued it to the drywall. The large surface is capable of actually transmitting some load to the wall. Then i was able to screw the hanger on, and BEHOLD it probably is still on the wall to this day.

>>1575464
>But I've seen brick houses develop serious structural issues after four or five decades through no real fault of the construction.
>Stuff sometimes just completely fucks up, regardless of continent or glue content.

Me too. Once.

>>1575424
>You can build quality with less money - its like buying hand tools on budget when you get solid durability but your only tradeoff is bigger weight of the handtool compared to the high end hammer made out of titanium.

Yes you can build better for less money. None of the ways to do that are wattle and daub, lath and plaster, and mass brick walls because you think your stupid analogy means anything.

>>1575426
>It might be a little less slower to do than drywall but its way more durable, makes you wonder why was it ever replaces with drywalling.

Lath is more expensive than drywall, both in materials and labor. Plaster is more expensive than paint. Though if you want a plaster you can get plasterboard and save the expense of the lath.

Yes it is more durable. The solution is to not punch your walls and install door stops.

adjusted for inflation this 1200usd 1920s house costs around 16k todays money.

having a house used to be rediculously affordable before.

>>1575463
>good OSB has mortise and tendon on both sides.

OSB with mortise and tenon?

>>1575476
>>1575479
I cant argue about the bigger initial cost of housing with better quality compared to lesser quality, but I can say how you offset the cost and this goes in any technology:

1. better ROI - you save on maintenance dramatically and you can buy used, quality lasts and you make entire house and materials (=less construction waste e.g. old grown wood prices today) more affordable to other gens that can REUSE it.

2. minimize on gimmicky features - triple bathroom, master bedroom, ISOLATION (yes, you can live in a not super isolated house) etc. make them functional but smaller

3. once quality becomes standard, the price of quality will drop - bricks arent supossed to be a luxury material but they are now.

4. prevent guys named Chip Lee and Billy Bob who own conctruction companies to import illegal labour and lobby lawmakers to make house standards for inferior technology

There, 4 easy steps how we can have nice things. Blog post out.

>>1575463
>Nah, your points aren't even worth responding to, you child
>>1575463
>>1575466
>>1575468
Couldn't wait a day before an essay form response

>I'm not deflecting. You're being narrow minded. You can't legally build an american style house here, it is against building code.
You're changing the subject again. We're talking about hanging on drywall. Not American vs european buildings in abstract.

>I specifically avoided telling other people that they shouldn't live in a pathetic drywall and cardboard contraption which is so weak that any home intruder can just punch his way in with his fists in about 5 seconds.
Yes, and you suggested drywall is bad. And you couldn't finish your sentence without doing it again.

>Drywall is tapered on both sides to allow for filling and smoothing, which OSB does not really require because good OSB has mortise and tendon on both sides.
I'm talking about this. No one wants to look at it, so you'll want to buy something else to put on top of it. Who gives a fuck about sheetrock mud. If you used OSB you should also seal the gaps with something or else you won't have an air seal.

>Yeah, if you dig real hard, you will find one guy here and there with an issue. But it is so rare that you really have to dig hard to find anything.
I have the same experience in America, despite living in the south with horrible clay soils that swallow your house. But I don't claim that people don't have foundation problems. The point that anon made was that a brick house with a foundation problem is vastly more difficult to correct and more expensive to prevent, because it is.

>If you go from plywood, 2by4s and drywall to solid brick, you bump the price from 300,000 to 320,000 and just *NOBODY* cares about this.
You're on the internet trying to convince people that there is a country called brickistan where brick mass walls cost 7% more than stick framing. lmao.

>>1575513
I'm done responding to you. You're talking out of your ass. Go fuck yourself, faggot

>>1575508
>adjusted for inflation this 1200usd 1920s house costs around 16k todays money.

which means that even a humble croatian 2nd world brick salesman could afford it, please burgers, sort your shit out.

pic rel house is smth like 20k usd today

>>1575513
>You're on the internet trying to convince people that there is a country called brickistan where brick mass walls cost 7% more than stick framing.

but there literally is. If a contractor spends 250k on making a house (he sells for 300k) and makes 20 of them, then 20k difference is huge for HIM, not the buyer. That is how margins work in construction.

>>1575466
>The attitude is "building a house is expensive, let's build it properly".
Brick mass walls are terrible. You have a water reservoir that's over 12 inches thick that works best with no insulation dried out by a fireplace. Insulate with spray foam and it's even thicker and you have to pray there's not too much water to deal with.

Also why are you talking about building shitty houses that break building code as a strawman alternative to your shitty ideas? No one suggested this.

>Fair enough, but you won't achieve that with a cheaper choice of building materials.
It depends. This is infantile levels of abstraction

>We have about 6 weeks of heat each year. AC is still a bit of a novelty.
I want to live in brickistan

>You're legally required by the code to build low energy houses with insanely good insulation here.
Is this also magically inexpensive in your country?

>You're either using a pathetic style of passive aggressive behaviour in an attempt to "win the discussion" or you're not very bright.
My point was if you hold a defeated attitude about a minor inconvenience in a building system, you literally could not build anything, let alone champion anything as a good way to build. Complaining about needing to apply one small piece of plywood can't come from the same person who wants to clad their whole interior with it.

Also speaking of pathetic styles of aggressive behavior:
>You're talking out your ass and your points are retarded and pedantic
>Nah, your points aren't even worth responding to, you child

>>1575515
I'll await you next essay response in a few hours

>>1575531
Maybe learn how to formulate your points you fucking retard, learn how to debate. You're wrong. Stop posting. I'm done with your childlike demands

>>1575531
P.S. Have sex

>>1575540
>>1575536
>Humble croatian red aerated terracota brick salesmen

stop using my trips you fags

>>1575543
That's not a trip, you fucking newfag

>>1575555
>That's not a trip, you fucking newfag

I know, stop stealing my name.

>>1575508
>>good OSB has mortise and tendon on both sides.
>OSB with mortise and tenon?

Maybe i didn't pick the proper translation. Groove and tongue or key and slot ?

>>1575513
>Couldn't wait a day before an essay form response

Are you trying to somehow insult me with the fact that i take the time to reply to each of your raised points properly instead of incoherently rambling on about something or outright insulting you with a one-liner? (like you do)

You need to work on yourself man. You're just being toxic. You just throw insults. You're not contributing anything of value to a discussion. The world does not revolve around you. If you ever want to get rid of the bitter and lonely place you're in, you need to learn to accept other people's opinions and you need to learn to take some criticism if it is warranted.
I hope you're still young so that this BS grows out of you.

>>1575526

>Brick mass walls are terrible. You have a water reservoir that's over 12 inches thick that works best with no insulation dried out by a fireplace. Insulate with spray foam and it's even thicker and you have to pray there's not too much water to deal with.

Spray foam isn't a thing here. I'm no expert to compare US and EU methods of brick walls, but it seems you're doing it wrong.

>Also why are you talking about building shitty houses that break building code as a strawman alternative to your shitty ideas?

You're being incoherent. I can't properly respond to this as it is unclear what you're on about. I suspect you confuse fixing up old houses vs code for new houses.

>>You're legally required by the code to build low energy houses with insanely good insulation here.
>Is this also magically inexpensive in your country?

No, it is terribly expensive, which drives the price UP, which makes people not really care about the tiny difference the price of some bricks make.

I can literally feel how you're raging infront of your computer. Explore why you're feeling this way.

>>1575559
>Maybe i didn't pick the proper translation. Groove and tongue or key and slot ?

yep it something like it but def not m-t.
OSB simply doesnt have the grain strenght for mortise-tenon joinery.

>>1575561
This is the default type of OSB they sell here. You get them in 4 qualities, but 1 and 2 aren't sold anywhere. 3 is usually not ground, 4 is. 4 is very smooth, no need to fill or smooth the joints at all.

>>1575559
>Are you trying to somehow insult me with the fact that i take the time to reply
No, you get mad and give up >>1575280
, then can't let it go so you come back and try to argue some more.

>Spray foam isn't a thing here. I'm no expert to compare US and EU methods of brick walls, but it seems you're doing it wrong.

They're the same. The difference is new brick walls are veneer, usually over stick framing. Old brick walls were massively thick and solid brick all the way to the inside. Which is horrible for economy of materials, moisture and climate control.

>You're being incoherent. I can't properly respond to this as it is unclear what you're on about. I suspect you confuse fixing up old houses vs code for new houses.
Just ask me about the parts you don't understand.

>No, it is terribly expensive, which drives the price UP, which makes people not really care about the tiny difference the price of some bricks make.
Something is wrong here. Your first price comparison was between plywood, 2x4s, and drywall to solid brick. Now it's just "some bricks". You also said code requires "insanely good insulation", this requires the brick to not be solid and instead just veneer, which isn't that expensive. So which one are you talking about at any given moment? I don't think you know the difference between old and new houses in your region.

>>1575564
tongue and groove

You want to seal the joints to make an air barrier

>>1575558
Use a trip then, dumbass. Do you not have the # symbol on your keyboard?

>>1575581

>>1575559
>>Are you trying to somehow insult me with the fact that i take the time to reply
>No, you get mad and give up >>1575280
>, then can't let it go so you come back and try to argue some more.

That was not my post.

>Spray foam isn't a thing here. I'm no expert to compare US and EU methods of brick walls, but it seems you're doing it wrong.

>They're the same. The difference is new brick walls are veneer, usually over stick framing. Old brick walls were massively thick and solid brick all the way to the inside. Which is horrible for economy of materials, moisture and climate control.

You see brick as an optical coating only, we use (large, sturdy, aerated) bricks as structural material AND insulation.

>>You're being incoherent. I can't properly respond to this as it is unclear what you're on about. I suspect you confuse fixing up old houses vs code for new houses.
>Just ask me about the parts you don't understand.

No thanks, you're all over the place. If you want coherent replies to your posts, make coherent posts in the first place.

>>No, it is terribly expensive, which drives the price UP, which makes people not really care about the tiny difference the price of some bricks make.

>Something is wrong here. Your first price comparison was between plywood, 2x4s, and drywall to solid brick.

For like 20-30 years, nobody has been building with solid brick. It's all aerated brick here. Good insulation value on its own already.

>Now it's just "some bricks". You also said code requires "insanely good insulation", this requires the brick to not be solid

Never talked about the brick being solid. I mean we have a humbe croatian aerated brick salesmen attending this board, you should know by now.

>and instead just veneer, which isn't that expensive.

Why would i care about veneer.

>So which one are you talking about at any given moment? I don't think you know the difference between old and new houses in your region.

What.

>>1575581
Maybe make a point worth responding to, you child

I found a "wall system" from a german company that complies with the building code and seems very similar to US building style.

The middle has studs of 200mm, that's 8 inches. Both inside and outside have 15mm OSB sheating. That's 5/8". On the outside you have 1 layer of reinforcing plaster which prevents the top plaster to crack, then glas fiber matting, and then the plaster.

On the inside you have an airtight foil, 40mm space for installations like plumbing and electrical wires (no we don't cut holes in the studs for that) and then half an inch of drywall.

Total thickness 1 foot 2 and 1/2" inches

I think US houses have cheaper sheating options than 1/2" OSB being used quite often? and 2 by 8 studs aren't the standard for walls, are they? And you probably don't put 8" of mineral wool in the walls either? What about glas fiber reinforcement inbetween two layers of plaster on the outside?

In comparison, aerated brick wall composition. Note how the structural brick is on the inside, and the insulation is actually on the outside.

This is a wall composition that fullfils the highest standard for insulation code requirements. You can apply for special government subsidies if you build a house like this here.

>>1575593
>Do you not have the # symbol on your keyboard?

yeah, this good?

>>1575647
>not a secure trip
Might as well stay a namefag

>>1575593
it doesnt work>>1575647

>>1575649
>Might as well stay a namefag

does now, learn smth new every day, now how do I stop this >>1575596
>Humble croatian red aerated terracota brick salesmen

>>1575624
>>1575627
we have identical system in newer build Croatia...while its good isolation, this simply isnt meant to last (vertical instead of horizontal layering of different materials). I always wondered, why dont they simply use a big monowall made our of 2 aerated bricks?

2 aerated bricks monowall would be way more sturdier and durable than outer rock wool.

>>1575659
still not a secure trip
read the faq, it's not hard

also tripfagging for no reason is gay

>>1575627
>cavity wall

actually we dont have them, I tought it was external insulation. Cavities can create problem when you put insulation in the cavity.

How common are cavity walls in modern German construction?

>>1575664
>also tripfagging for no reason is gay

I know

>>1575666
>>1575627
>>cavity wall

>actually we dont have them, I tought it was external insulation. Cavities can create problem when you put insulation in the cavity.

Note that the picture specifically says that there needs to be a gap between the insulation and the outside decorative brick wall. I would also strongly assume that the outside brick wall not only has a standoff gap, but actually isn't airtight and thus is ventilated.

This is similar to what my dad did in the ancient framed house he bought 20 years ago. That ventilation is important.

>How common are cavity walls in modern German construction?

Never seen a new house build like this. So not very common. The vast majority of houses here just have plaster on the outside, and that's it.

>>1575595
>You see brick as an optical coating only, we use (large, sturdy, aerated) bricks as structural material AND insulation.
>For like 20-30 years, nobody has been building with solid brick. It's all aerated brick here. Good insulation value on its own already.

Sturdy with an asterisk. They're not good enough to be load bearing if >>1574401
is to be believed, unlike 2x4s. A croation brick saleman would not lie. I'm not going to shit on those blocks any further than that though. I just wonder how you guys deal with moisture the walls absorb. Do the holes make a good enough drainage space? How do you finish the insulation? One wythe of those has about the same r-value as one inch of cavity insulation depending on the thickness of the block.

>No thanks, you're all over the place. If you want coherent replies to your posts, make coherent posts in the first place.
This is what happens when you don't understand building. I can talk down to you if you need it.

>Never talked about the brick being solid. I mean we have a humbe croatian aerated brick salesmen attending this board, you should know by now.
it's right here

>If you go from plywood, 2by4s and drywall to solid brick, you bump the price

>>1575671
>Note that the picture specifically says that there needs to be a gap between the insulation and the outside decorative brick wall. I would also strongly assume that the outside brick wall not only has a standoff gap, but actually isn't airtight and thus is ventilated.

yep, rock wool needs to be ventilated, otherwise it will get mold, but all external insulations are shortlasting solution and actually flimsy...why not monowall of 2 aerated bricks? its not too much to ask, why doesnt noone do that but does this overdesigned gimmicks.

>>1575667
Then don't whine about having your name stolen

>>1575676
>Sturdy with an asterisk.

Well try slamming your shoulder into a drywall, and then aerated bricks.

>>No thanks, you're all over the place. If you want coherent replies to your posts, make coherent posts in the first place.
>This is what happens when you don't understand building. I can talk down to you if you need it.

Again, personal insults while you have no argument to make and rample incoherently instead of providing examples of typical US housing construction to compare it with the examples i provided. You're truely behaving like a spoiled child.

>>1575683
>yep, rock wool needs to be ventilated, otherwise it will get mold, but all external insulations are shortlasting solution

What exactly happens to it?

>and actually flimsy...

True, the idea of plaster on mineral wool is silly to me. I am actually quite happy that i do not need to build a new house, this would concern me a lot.

>why not monowall of 2 aerated bricks?

Would that have a comparable insulation value? Or is this merely a ploy to sell TWICE the bricks per customer? :O

>>1575615
>I think US houses have cheaper sheating options than 1/2" OSB being used quite often?

Not quite often but I know amazingly bad practices exist.

Standard is 4". Good builders use 6" and only 8" up north.

Plaster is just so rarely used in the US there may not be a typical answer for that.

>>1575688
>What exactly happens to it?

it gets wet by moisture or other factors and get moldy

>>1575688
>Would that have a comparable insulation value? Or is this merely a ploy to sell TWICE the bricks per customer? :O

Not sure about insulation values, I think it might be close doe...and its not like you get rock wool for free and its not like styrofoam or rock wool is meant to last.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ekf1Il8qig

>>1575659
>2 aerated bricks monowall would be way more sturdier and durable than outer rock wool.

Rock wool has great R value that shits on aerated bricks, and it also sheds water good

But yeah, I don't like the idea of a soft exterior even if its easily repaired.

>>1575666
I wouldn't really call that cavity insulation. It's exterior insulation inbetween the wall and rain screen. It's open to the air outside.

>>1575703
>I wouldn't really call that cavity insulation.

the pic I posted was external insulation but mounted with studs instead of cement.

>>1575700
>Rock wool has great R value that shits on aerated bricks, and it also sheds water good

all true, but noone raises the point of its longevity, all older buildings are solid red brick monowall of almost 50cm and still hold with good isolation exepct the facade you need to redoo every 50 years or smth.

>>1575688
>Well try slamming your shoulder into a drywall, and then aerated bricks.
Will this make curtain walls structural? Your buildings are held up by other structural elements. That's fine. I'm letting you know.

>instead of providing examples of typical US housing construction to compare it with the examples i provided.
You don't even know what argument you're in nor have you done such a thing. I've defended drywall and stick framing. I've shat on mass walls like the ones used in old construction. You can't describe assemblies beyond "bricks", "solid bricks", and "aerated bricks".

Just so we're clear, the assemblies that are being posted here now aren't even mass walls. They are single wythe with rainscreens and good exterior insulation. Some of them you might not like because of fragile plaster directly over installation or brick veneer.

>>1575688
>but all external insulations are shortlasting solution

Nah. The longest lasting insulated assemblies are externally insulated.

https://www.buildingscience.com/documents/insights/bsi-001-the-perfect-wall

This is because insulation like rockwool or foam is less vulnerable to the elements than the structure. The structure layer, and air/water/vapor layers can be kept at the interior temperature of the building instead of going hot to cold every season. Works in all climates. Best way to prevent condensation.

>>1575719
Quoted the wrong post but whatever

>>1575708
>the pic I posted was external insulation but mounted with studs instead of cement.

I was talking about the picture of the post you quoted.

>all true, but noone raises the point of its longevity, all older buildings are solid red brick monowall of almost 50cm and still hold with good isolation exepct the facade you need to redoo every 50 years or smth.

Eventually it'll be replaced. But the blocks don't insulate well enough on their own. You can clad rockwool in brick as picture earlier or any rigid siding for cheaper.

Also PSA, the pic you posted, insulation between steel frame does not work. It's completely negated by the thermal bridge because steel is a conductor.

>>1575695
>and its not like styrofoam or rock wool is meant to last.

Rock wool and foam don't rot.

>>1575731
Yes they do, retard. Like old bread

>>1575733
Rock wool is made from ROCKS. Polystyrene takes hundreds of years to biodegrade.

Start a /diy/ thread on how to kill yourself

>>1575726
>But the blocks don't insulate well enough on their own.

that is why you make an extra thick wall to match the performance.

>Also PSA, the pic you posted, insulation between steel frame does not work. It's completely negated by the thermal bridge because steel is a conductor.

its a thing you should take into consideration but the effect is minute. The frame might be aluminium or some low conductivity steel - either way insulative properties of those builds are great.

>>1575733
>>1575748
>>1575731
>Rock wool and foam don't rot.

It doesnt "rot" like old bread or wet wood but it becomes crazy moldy if there isnt a mechanism of airing (=removing moisture). Dirt and bacteria get stuck in it and reproduce when there is moisture. Eventually rock wool decays one way or another and way faster that a thick monowall.

>>1575753
Which insulation is the best, besides obvious "dont build house from sticks"?
Polystyrene? Closed cell foam?

>>1575423
It runs about $9k-$20k. It's worth it in most scenarios because often times your house is not saleable without it.

It isn't always injected to bed rock, sometimes the piers have a friction capacity enough to hold it in the soil from cohesion. They can install it typically with an attachment to a bobcat, so not a whole lot of labor.

>>1575755
rock wool, especially external is your best bet if you go with "vertical layering", since it can be removed more easily if it gets moldy but everything that isnt a monowally is inherently risky.

Mixing materials on a house should always be done horizontally, vertical layering creates issues since gravity doesnt compress the "wafer".

>>1575753
>that is why you make an extra thick wall to match the performance.
Thick would not describe it. It's only a building if you can fit inside it. Otherwise it's a brick statue. I was really hoping you weren't a retard that promoted mass walls. Now I know.

A ziegel block is like what, 6-7 inches? R 3-4? Rockwool is around R3 per inch. Even a modest 4 inches of insulation is R12. You need 3 or 4 wythes you match that. That 18 Inches using the most conservative figures here. Is it thicker?

>its a thing you should take into consideration but the effect is minute. The frame might be aluminium or some low conductivity steel

The effect is COMPLETE. What part of completely negate did you not read? Aluminum is an amazing conductor.. There is no such thing as low conductivity steel. No, the insinuative properties of the wall in your picture is exactly the same as the brick itself, good for brick, but still shit.

>It doesnt "rot" like old bread or wet wood but it becomes crazy moldy if there isnt a mechanism of airing (=removing moisture). Dirt and bacteria get stuck in it and reproduce when there is moisture.
External insulation is vented. Internal insulation doesn't get wet unless there is a leak and that will dry if vapor barriers weren't used in a retarded way. Mold does not rot rocks. Rock wool will absorb less water than block and dry faster.

This is why I don't explain things nicely to you. Something has to change the behavior of you posting retarded falsehoods.

>>1575757
>It runs about $9k-$20k.

that is pretty affordable for such a big project

>>1575761
>Thick would not describe it. It's only a building if you can fit inside it. Otherwise it's a brick statue. I was really hoping you weren't a retard that promoted mass walls. Now I know.

50cm thickness is what you almost get with external insulation as well, what is bothering you so much about a monowall? Sure it cant compare with modern insulation on performance, but it also isnt as toxic and it wont kill you if you wear a sweater inside.

>The effect is COMPLETE. What part of completely negate did you not read? Aluminum is an amazing conductor.

why do you care so much about insulation? we arent living in Antartica.

>External insulation is vented. Internal insulation doesn't get wet unless there is a leak and that will dry if vapor barriers weren't used in a retarded way.

and yet still by some miracle it has a thousand more problems than a simple monowall.

>>1575784
>50cm thickness is what you almost get with external insulation as well

1 wythe of block and 4 inches of rockwool is around 10inches/25cm. It gets R12 plus the R value of the block for R15-R16. Or if we had your 45cm or greater walls for just R12 depending on the actual dimensions of these blocks. And we haven't even cladded either side yet. Or made room for utilities.

And that's just rockwool at R3 per inch. XPS and spray foam is around R4-R6 per inch. Turns out clay with holes in it eventually don't compare to real insulation in 21st century.

>but it also isnt as toxic and it wont kill you if you wear a sweater inside.
You can't breathe rock wool when it's used to insulate a wall. EPS and XPS are completely safe no matter how retarded you are. Spray foam offgas is only a problem if its applied too thick in a single pass with the contractor intentionally being retarded.

You can wear a sweater and insulate for extra savings.

>why do you care so much about insulation? we arent living in Antartica.
This is where you are now. Power bills are only high for people in Antarctica. What is your climate zone anyway? Only the marine climate in north america doesn't try to burn your money.

>and yet still by some miracle it has a thousand more problems than a simple monowall.
No it doesn't and a monowall has thousands of dollars to effectively heat and cool your house. I'll ask again, where the fuck do you live?

>>1575801
>Turns out clay with holes in it eventually don't compare to real insulation in 21st century.

they dont, that isnt the problem, look up old pictures, people inside in sweaters, now you can be in shortsleves inside in winter. What is even the point?

>I'll ask again, where the fuck do you live?

read my name

>>1575812
lmao almost all oceanic. Enjoy your mild summers and winters. Nothing I can say to you will make them less comfortable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Croatia#Climate
>Mean monthly temperatures range between −3 °C (27 °F) (in January) and 18 °C (64 °F) (in July).

Do you live up north or near the coast or in the mountains so you can understand what hot and cold might feel like?

>>1564775
German here, i concour

>casually mention that you prefer OSB over drywall without making a big fuss about it
>american foams with butthurt, needs to go back 70 years into history to insult your entire country

......... riiiighhhtt. You just disqualified yourself for the discussion.

>>1575974
>The idea of having drywall as walls is ... quite hillarious to me.

You knew what you were starting

>>1575982
>You knew what you were starting

After all these years, i still get baffled about the vast amount of retardation and butthurt tho.

>>1575986
No one is butthurt. People make fun of you because you have to be pompous about being able to play rugby in your dads house.

>>1575990
What 3rd world country do you live in?

>>1575991
Praising an uninsulated house that can only be economically heated by abundant firewood is 3rd world.

Developed regions can no longer do that retard

>complaining about not having a level of quality that you didn't pay for

You can easily have solid walls in the USA, just fucking pay a lot more for them.

>>1575997
>complaining about not having a level of quality that you didn't pay for

No, he's complaining about the level of quality someone else didn't pay for

>>1575757
I was looking at similar sorts of things for my house, slightly trickier because there's uh... A house in the way. One guy said that they use some sort of pneumatic device that runs off hoses from their truck, and they lift up floorboards to drive them into the ground.

I'm still considering what to do though, think I just need to make a list of every company here that does this kind of work and get them all to make a bloody quote. I mean, the house is certainly wonky, but it's not going anywhere quickly.

>>1563722
>Wraped concrete wall
Do Americans really...

>>1576102
Yes

>>1576102
>>1576106

>>1575826
>Do you live up north or near the coast or in the mountains so you can understand what hot and cold might feel like?

heat on the coast isnt an issue if you use terracota tiles or rock for walls, but even brick walls dont get too hot.

Look, I get your point about R values of aerated brick and rock wool, but I really cant be happy with a soft outer surface of the building, there has to be a better solution.

>>1576102
Yes

>>1576260
>but I really cant be happy with a soft outer surface of the building, there has to be a better solution.

Clad it with brick or siding. Plaster on rockwool isn't the only option.

>>1573634
>get blown away by wind

>>1576483
It is cheap, couple days, and you have new house.
Metal beams are continuation of this idea. They are even faster.
SIP panels - ultimate american house.

>>1574779
>>1574795
>>1565029
>>1565842

$20 says these morons are confusing efflorescence with mold.

>>1565586
It does when you have no outside walls and never paint it. Properly spaced off the floor and proper waterproofing and it never molds.

>>1565842
>(I'm european)
I'm human.

>Instead of insulating it all to death and getting mold, my dad just put up slats on the existing walls and used 22mm (that's almost an inch, for your measurementally challanged types) OSB to cover all the walls
So let me get this straight. Somehow in your retarded head you thought that gypsum would get more mold then a big wooden sponge.

>Makes for a nice sturdy surface to mount stuff, and seals up all the holes so people on the streets can't peep on you.
So wait a minute, there are holes on the OUTSIDE of your house big enough for people to see through and it didn't occur to you that that's where all the moisture and water is coming from that is causing the mold in your house? Everything about this post makes me pity you and your sodden country, in a place that rains so much how can you be so dumb when it comes to combating the weather?

>>1576600

>So let me get this straight. Somehow in your retarded head you thought that gypsum would get more mold then a big wooden sponge.

Your reading comprehension is garbage. Let's break down what i said.

>>Instead of insulating it all to death

we didn't insulate it with styrofoam, rockwoll, vapor barrier, etc

>my dad just put up slats on the existing walls

creating a gap between the existing wall and what follows next for VENTILATION

>and used 22mm (that's almost an inch, for your measurementally challanged types) OSB to cover all the walls

walls are OSB instead of drywall, which is nice cause you can just mount whatever you want anywhere with 2 wood screws, and since an inch of OSB has REASONABLE insulation and since the existing outside wall has some insulation value, too and since there is an air gap, we now don't really worry about mold because we have stand-off mounted, well ventilated OSB which is doing VERY FINE for 20 years now.

Yes, you might have guessed it, the choice of OSB vs drywall actually doesn't have much to do with the insulation and mold issue, TWO things wrapped in ONE sentence, OH MY GOSH i am shakespear 2.0.

>>Makes for a nice sturdy surface to mount stuff, and seals up all the holes so people on the streets can't peep on you.

>So wait a minute, there are holes on the OUTSIDE of your house big enough for people to see through

Well i was exaggerating a bit maybe, but after we tore out the interior of the first room, there was definately the occasional dot of sunlight coming thru. They're 150 year old walls, what do you expect.

>and it didn't occur to you that that's where all the moisture and water is coming from that is causing the mold in your house?

There is no water, no moisture, and no mold in the house. Your reading comprehension really is absolute garbage.

>Everything about this post makes me pity you

Mutual.

>>1576080
Brother show me more photos of your situation.

I am almost positive they can run the pneumatic hoses from the bobcat roughly 25 ft to wherever you need the helical pier. The piers can come in pieces too.

>>1565798
Based

>>1565007
Huh?

>>1574610
Look up "locksmith lawyer" on youtube. He's gone through hundreds of locks and basically says the exact same thing. Masterlock is a lock in name only.

>>1570216
>Americans call shaped sheet metal "beams"

No wonder your twin towers fell down

>hey, i wonder what's going on over at /do it yourself/ it's been awhile
>euros obsessing over america
every board, huh? never fails.
that said, modern construction (post 50s/earlier 60s at the latest) is shit

>>1564751
>The average american spends 0 seconds thinking.
ftfy

>>1577783
But how would you call it?
1 mm thick stuff is sufficient for 1-2 strorie house.

>>1570216
imagine being this retarded

*ends your thread*

>>1574431
>wallpaper over osb
talking about nigger...

i saw that once and you could see every strain of the osb through the wallpaper

if we talking about fachwerk constructions, use lehm-based drywalls for the interior

>>1576634
nice reddit spacing

>>1564751
From my expetience the most pompous fucking youtubers are usually brits, or americans trying to sound like brits.

>>1568630
Its no better anywhere else. The whole planet is flooded with chinkshit.

>>1575479
>>The solution is to not punch your walls and install door stops.

Not eve the guy, but horrible argument, literally used to justify horrible quality chinese products aswell.
>>lol just dont break it

>>1576106
I'm dealing with a warped, cracked wall right now. I've patched the crack twice if it comes back, I'm going to have to brace it, which I don't resent up have to do

>>1564355
because it would have placated you

>>1563711
$2 could've prevented this.

>>I am looking to buy a house in about a year in rural New Hampshire. There are houses built in the 1700s, new constructions, and everything in between. I am very suspicious of the materials and build quality of homes built by developers within the last 20ish years. I've lived in houses built in the 1880s and 1980s and both were fine. I've seen too many shitty looking new constructions and cardboard mansions that constantly have damaged ceilings from ice dams in winter.

What's was a good era when houses were built well in New England?

>>1581794
I live in rural NH, there is no good time frame. Anything old is shit, anything new is shit.

>>1570435
>Making ideal concrete wall is difficult, it will have a lot of imperfections and inconsistentes.

That's because you are using wooden forms. LOL

>>1581835
So every single house is shit? Come on now

>>1581794
>I'd rather live in something made from rusty cast iron nails and asbestos instead of something made with actual safety in mind

>>1575516
>>1575508
>those tiny fucking bathrooms
claustrophobia triggered

why the fuck do idiot home designers even keep designing tiny fuckin bathrooms like this. somebody needs to punch these fuckers in the face

>>1563711
In Norway we only use literal paper like that for rooms no one really cared about.

Like the technical room/storage in basement in the 70s.

>>1565007
jej

>>1573634
As a Brit I actually agree with some of this, housing is ridiculous in the UK.. I pretty much have to accept that even with an income of £56k I will never afford a home here and even if I did I would be looking at not paying it off until I'm 70, saving for a deposit is also hard with rental being £1200+ a month just for a concrete shit box. We don't have the obsurd extremw weather issues and terrain diversity of the US so we should be using cheaper building materials to get houses up quicker and cheaper... Unfortunately it will never happen as the upper class almost exclusively have all property investments, which rely heavily on scarcity/demand to keep prices high, all our housing schemes are cons and government housing just ends up going to chav's and foreigners. Oh and if you want to build a house prepare to raped with red tape, legislation and inspections all at your expense. I'm fucking moving to Canada....

The consensus seems to be that quality of residential construction in the first world is in decline despite all of the improvements in the technology for manufacturing basic building materials and the tools for their assembly, and also rising in constant-dollar cost despite that the demand for new housing is flat because of near-zero population growth. Of course to explain worsening of any kind isn't at all the same thing as to justify it as necessary or expedient, though it is fair to say that Americans are more ingenious at equating them, whether by accident, which is the tenant's way, or by design, which is the landlord's way. Between fools and hypocrites, there's not much to choose is there?

>>1563711
>I'm European, it's illegal for me to modify my house without government approval and materials that look like the ones used 500 years ago

lmao get cucked, you don't even have the right to build a garage

>>1584154
>housing is ridiculous in the UK.. I pretty much have to accept that even with an income of £56k I will never afford a home here and even if I did I would be looking at not paying it off until I'm 70, saving for a deposit is also hard with rental being £1200+ a month just for a concrete shit box
This is patently false.
>I'm fucking moving to Canada....
Good.

>>1586378
Who are you quoting?

>>1563711
>American construction ""quality"" (yes I did this)
>>1586182
>Am britfag.

>>1563711
kys

>>1574394
Masterlock's entire purpose is to teach Americans how to lockpick, and to secure things against simple swiping while still letting you into them if you've lost the keys. No American who knows anything about locks actually trusts them.

>>1570512
>>1570519
i live in the tropics and i really wish sandwich roofing were more popular/cheaper. it's much more power efficient plus you can also use them to protect/insulate walls from heat/noise.

people are too attached to "tiling" so pretty much every brand new house here uses ceramic or concrete tiles.

pic related is just an example, you can get them pre-painted and in different wavy patterns, there's even one that mimics tiles

>>1565249
>cuck
>thot
>"""meme"""
OBSESSED

>>1565493
if anything, the average american think brits are of high class and speak with posh accents. when in reality you're inbred mongrels

>>1563711

>>1593922

concrete fags are litterally killing the planet.

portland concrete some of the worst concrete in terms of environmental impact.
destroying lake and river beds for that good sand to mix

concrete fags are the worst.
and reinforced concrete fags are deluded.
hempcrete, rammed earth, strawbale, and cobb are pretty cool.

>>1593766
>56%er calling 82%ers mongrels