/diy/ - Do It Yourself

Summary: cardboard sucks, OSB and plywood both rot, with OSB just a bit worse than plywood, so whatever you choose you have to stay on top of leaks or you will have damage either way. And with 1/2" sheathing you save a lot with OSB, but with 5/8" not so much.

>>1556648
At 0:40, he actually says most builders are using a "cardboard" product (I think it's called Thermo Ply) to cover houses in America.
WTF.
LITERAL CARDBOARD?
Don't homeless people make their homes out of cardboard?

>>1556661
>Summary
They all suck.
Homes should be built out of brick, concrete, stone and steel.
Not cardboard, glued together woodchips, or plywood.
Americans actually tolerate this?

>>1556663

On the inside there will be insulation and sheetrock. On the outside there will be some sort of protection against water, and then either siding or bricks. The cardboard actually does very little, and if you watch the video he admits that anything you use will rot if you have a leak. And that's why "cardboard" is ok, unless you're building a custom home and then you sell the more expensive product because you then make more on your percentage.

>>1556685
>sheetrock
You mean the shit Americans punch their fat fists through when they're mad?
https://youtu.be/NJrP6MoEeqw?t=319
Why even call it "rock" when it's no stronger than papier-mâché?

>>1556664
my wood frame house was built in 1830. you, your mother, your father, your siblings. and your friends are niggers.

>>1556728
>my wood frame house was built in 1830
Still just one big tornado or hurricane away from being a pile of posicle sticks.

>>1556727
it's just a generic trademark

>>1556648
>sheathing
>isn't solid hardwood

Shit.

>>1556728
No plywood or particle wood either I'm sure. I grew up in such a house. It is still standing and is still rock solid.

>>1556648
Jesus Christ glued together woodchips?
That's an acceptable building material in America?
No wonder your shack homes are constantly getting burning down or leveled by storms.
These shacks aren't cheap either.
Where does the money go?

>>1556787
>It is still standing and is still rock solid
It isn't "rock solid" unless it's built of brick, stone, or concrete.

>>1556814
>Where does the money go?
pocketed by builders, also for the land.
also, need to pay for the hundreds of pounds of spray foam somehow.

>>1556898
> what is a metaphor?

>>1556664
>Homes should be built out of brick, concrete, stone and steel.

there is nothing wrong with WOOD, but problem is that americans call OSB and plywood WOOD, where it has more GLUE in it that WOOD.

Btw-Swiss sell those houses for millions of euros now

>sheathing with literal cardboard

>>1556648
>Matt Risinger talking about durable houses

>>1556663
>LITERAL CARDBOARD?

I think that was an HDF board.

>>1556727

When I was a kid I was amazed at how strong Americans were to breakdown doors and burst through walls so easily.

I mean I have seen cars bounce off of houses so those guys must be really strong right?

>>1556754

Apparently wooden houses fair better in hurricanes and tornados because they flex with the wind.

Or so some anon told me.

>>1556814
people dont think it be like it is
but it do

>>1558086
>The disadvantage is very rapid structural failure when directly exposed to fire, reducing the time available for residents to escape and increasing the danger to firefighters.
lmao when the biggest selling feature this garbage has is "floors squeak less," as if the best solution to that was to make homes a death trap

>>1558086
the fuck is this shit

>>1558097
exactly what it looks like

>>1557333
>plywood has more glue than wood
Those trips were wasted on you.

>>1558086
Bong here, I also have an I-beam in my house, it's made of steel though.

>>1558016
Earthquakes, too.

>>1558016
They need to be designed for it

>>1558016
>>1558125
>>1558333
Here's an ICF (reinforced concrete) home after a hurricane surrounded by remains of stick frame houses.

There are also ways of securing non-wooden houses for earthquakes.

>>1556664
Expensive materials with expensive thermal bridge

Plywood and OSB are fine. Learn how to fucking rainscreen. If you respect water, planet earth won't buttfuck your house 99% of the time

>>1556754
>>1558016
>>1558333
>>1558338
If you live in an area with wind damage you can strap the fuck out of your house

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbGCxFN7nfM

>>1556727
seems like a nice lad, he could use some red aerated terracota brick TM

>>1558118
>Bong here, I also have an I-beam in my house, it's made of steel though.

Steel beams for residential builds I havent seen in my life here, do you often get problems with them expanding with rust or smth?

>>1558016
>Apparently wooden houses fair better in hurricanes and tornados because they flex with the wind.

They really stretch that argument, dont they? Timber frame might actually survive, but these are all build by cheap 2x4


>>1558338
>Here's an ICF (reinforced concrete) home after a hurricane surrounded by remains of stick frame houses.

told you so! are you sure that house is ICF concrete instead of just RC? Why isnt poly insulation on the outside visible?

>>1558497
It's not uncommon to render over the top, but to my eye it does look like rc, and very well done rc. Ime a lot of 'builders' cannot pour/mix concrete to any decent level of skill, and I'm in Europe. The ones who know there's skill involved and have some effort into learning are fantastic at it though.

>>1558528
>Ime a lot of 'builders' cannot pour/mix concrete to any decent level of skill, and I'm in Europe. The ones who know there's skill involved and have some effort into learning are fantastic at it though.

what country are you from?
Concrete seems like a dark art, I would in no way attempt to pour smth like a roof or loading walls, one small change in moisture and the wall can collapse, not to mention placing the reinforcement net.

Is that the reason we see more Yandex loading block use and pouring RC in them instead of on site formed beams with plyboards? Do you think that there is a difference in durability in those systems or its just about convinience?

>>1556648
>comparing plywood, OSB, and CARDBOARD
>comparing poop, shit, and turd

>>1558497
>Steel beams for residential builds I havent seen in my life here, do you often get problems with them expanding with rust or smth?
I can only speak for myself but, no problems with heat expansion or rust. My house is a brick cavity wall construction so there is natural ventilation and no moisture build up, so no rust.

>>1556814
They have to do something with all the scrap and trees that are not acceptable for other use. It was designed to minimize waste in the product production area it increase ROI. It was a product designed by the wood industry, then foisted upon the building community, and heavily lobbied (politically) to get accepted into "code".

>>1558812
>lobbied
This has been America's downfall, cash rich vested interests buying corrupt politicians.

>ITT non-Americans butthurt about not having cheap, shear load materials

>>1556727
How do Americans get that fat?

>>1558536
>Concrete seems like a dark art
To some degree it is a dark art because you have to use a lot of local materials (even the cement is to some degree a local material, the factories are dotted about and use local materials that have their own quirks with impurities, the obviously there's aggregates and such), and that affects how long you do processes like sonicate it for or how much of what additive you need...

A lot of people working with concrete fall at very very basic hurdles though and there are more than a few that will claim extremely basic or straightforward stuff as impossible.

>>1560465
>ITT Americans butthurt about being exposed as living homes built like movie sets

>>1563143
You gotta build to your conditions. There are no bad materials, only bad builders.

I've lived in all kinds of houses: stone, brick, timber and gypsum board, cement. In terms of liveability and maintenance, one of the best was a timber framed house with gypsum board, and the worst were definitely some of the brick houses, because of local soil conditions.