/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>1555225
Makita black

>>1555225
>Are tools that are red in color better? Do they allow you to work faster?
Something like that

>>1555225
As long as it’s not a black Makita compact driver that you’re going to forget under the hood of the car and let the customer drive off with it.

>Named Milwaukee
>made in China

>>1555225
I have a tendency to lean towards black tools in general. You're gonna get messy working and black color hides the grease streaks and allows rust to not look as prominent. It keeps things looking nice.

>>1555282
>sold in Home Depot
>shilled in vacuous 4channel posts

>>1555225
mmmm team red.

big lmao milwaukee puts all these tools out trying to look cool but they dont even have a battery coffee maker

>>1555282

i got a 3/8 milwaukee impact that has been beat to shit minimum 8 hours a day, at least 5 days a week, for the last 5 years and its still going strong.

i even use it for stump pans on d5-d10 cats because its nice and easy to crawl around with under there

i couldnt give less of a fuck where its made, it has proven itself time and time again

but sure you keep playing with your ryobi

milwaukees are good tools, its not a secret that basically every single tradesman prefers them

>>1556415
>every single tradesman
Kek. I see way more Yellow.

>>1556419
maybe it varies from city to city. i see more makita than dewalt, but nothing like milwaukees. i have the impact sound of the red 12volt impact imbedded in my brain from hearing it so much

>>1556419
>Benis actually works a job where he sees tools
This is shocking to me

>>1555343
Too easy to lose, and plastic doesn't rust.

>>1556431
Meh. In 5 years at my job and a few dozen mechanics who have come through our fleet, there is one guy with a Milwaukee sawzall and that’s is. Just from being around the garage and different accounts and seeing techs and repair guys and dudes remodeling stores, it has to be close to 50% DeWalt. I really don’t see much Milwaukee at all, which suprises me because I think they have the best tool lineup right now for most trades besides woodworking and their current pricing isn’t any higher than the other major brands.

>>1555785

>not having a cordless motorised wheelbarrow in your power tool range

Are Americans even trying at this point? Pathetic gaijin technology lol

>>1556446
i wonder how that thing would perform with a load of cement

>>1555225
I'm just a DIY'r and own lime green.
>Cheap
>Large variety of tools
>Easy to find
>Been fine for what I do
>Don't need gucci level for occasionally fixing a fence, wrenching on a car or cutting some trim

>>1556454
They are the way to go for weekenders

>>1556446
>Milwaukee ChinkShills BTFO
needs rear wheel attachment and covfefemaker option for Burger /diy/ market tho

>>1556415
>>1556419
>>1556420
it depends what field you're in. if you're in plumbing or electrical you're going to be seeing a lot more milwaukee cause of their specialized tools

if you're framing dewalt reigns supreme

>>1555343
>He doesn't purposely make his tools look work so his neighbours won't laugh at him for being a noob

>>1555356
>9 different types of impact drivers

Why?

>>1556415
I'm the only one on my crew with Milwaukee. We have a Makita guy and the rest are DeWalt. I'm not a brand warrior I just got mine because they had a killer sale on a 5 tool combo kit

>>1556454
Yea im a contractor. I got some Ryobi tool because I forgot some of mine and I lived an hour drive away and they were cheap. They crapped out on me after a couple of months. They were cheap as fuck so I was expecting it but if you're just a regular home owner I imagine they're fine.

Imo Porter cable is top notch for "discount" tools. My first set when I started this business was a porter cable impact and and half inch drill. I used the impact way more than the drill and it lasted 4 years. I paid $140 fornthenlair (I'm Canadian so tools here are way pricier than than in the us) drill still works. I have it to my nephew who helps me on summer vacations/weekends/holidays.
Any average joe here looking for a decent drill for a good price go with porter cable.

I only buy craftsman and just return the shit for a brand new one every year.

>>1556761
I have the brushless set. Was on sale at Christmas for cheap, and they seem fine. Actually more power than I was expecting. Much better than the craptacular set of shit I had before. Bonus is they make shit like the glue gun and other weird shit that makes wife happy, thus allowing future purchases less painful

the small electrical company i work for uses milwaukee for pretty much everything. they get a fair beating year after year.

>>1556752
Looks like there’s only 4. Probably the basic bitch starter one, then a brushless, then Fuel, then a stubby. The rest have square drives.

work for a drilling company we used dewalt because getting spares was easy

Hello fellow anonymous posters, I am glad to see the third active brand shilling thread appearing on the board, and even more glad to see it painted all red, just like a certain industrious country that is the origin of such high quality tools.
Indeed, any real professional's choice would always be Milwaukee, the other brands just can't compare to ou- I mean their fantastic FUEL™ line of tools!

>>1556965
Red is the choice of pros

Milwaukee is the only power tool brand that fully embraces mechanics and tools geared towards them.
Every other brand skirts around automotive but Milwaukee is the only major power tool company that has that field completely under lock

The benefit of Milwaukee is they are designed knowing you're going to beat on them all day. They just hold up under rough use which is contracting in a nut shell. That and depending where you buy it you get a lifetime guarantee.
That and their 5,6 and 9 amp journey batteries are really nice and have a lot of juice.
But their expensive and some tools are a joke or a meme, but the standard power tools are beefy

>>1556979
Except for all the tool truck brands.

Furfaggot.

>>1556989
>lifetime
From who?

Anyway their real warranty is bretty gud. 5yrs on tools, 3yrs on batteries, better than the 3yrs that the other brands offer. Their pricing is competetive with Yellow, Green, Blue, the usual suspects. Current Milwaukee isn’t the same as it was a few years back, but with pricing and warranty and quality all being about the same as DeWalt or Makita, I would pick red because of the tool lineup.

>>1556991
>Except for all the tool truck brands.
That cost double the milwaukee and underperform them?
Sick dude.

>>1556992
When they’re already laughing at you for being a weeb furfaggot, I guess it doesn’t really matter than coworkers laugh at your tool box game as well.

If your tools aren't
>vibrant yellow
>firey red
>pitch black
Then they're probably cheap, knockoff pieces of shit. The heroin addict I work with buys cheap, shitty tools, and you can tell by looking at them because they're all either dull grey or ugly godawful dark blue.

>>1557082
I'm not a weeb?
Nobody laughs at my tools, what kind of fucking environment do you work in lol
Sounds like you're asspained that Milwaukee tools are the best objectively and cost the least when you wasted money on an inferior product.

MY NAME'S MR CUMMY AND I LIKE TO FUCK DOGS HURR DEE DURR

RED TOOL GOOD. ME WORK FAST WITH RED TOOL.
I have a milwauke impact screwdriver, impact wrench, brushless drill, pen light, and a m18 right-angle drill.

I like everything I have EXCEPT the right angle drill, the controller always bitches out (motor stops, red LED lights) when I drive it just a little hard, even on a fresh battery. It's a piece of crap.

>>1556979

Only a pig ignorant gaijin tool brand would cater their range to a trade where soon only propietary manufacturer approved tools can be used to repair their automobile models.

Superior Japanese business model understands this and caters to timeless trades, like gardening.

>>1557153
based Makita garden implement shill sensei

>>1557136
one would hope to not have to use the right-angle drill except in occasional rare awkward circumstances, no?

>>1557163
Depends how much you like to spin things in your ass.

Might use it every day if you're a faggot

>>1557163
There are attachments to get around it with a regular drill. I could see it being usefull when fucking around with cabinets and bullshit like that.

I like the ratchets though, I would take the M12 ratchet over a right angle drill. Plus if you’re just driving screws, that M12 stubby impact driver is only like an inch longer than most right angle drills because of the chuck.

>>1557195
any idea what times of year the basic 3-4-5 tool + battery+charger sets go on the good sales? what's a reasonable price to look for? I have old corded tools and the shop at work has any tools I'd need to use for incidental circumstances, but I'd be a more valuable person at this job or elsewhere with a proper set of cordless tools.

Only fags use red. Black and yellow is superior in every way. Hell those red fags are still stuck on a puny 18 volts

>>1557123
Sperg more for me, I love it lol
I'm better than you

>>1557163
That is correct, I only use it rarely, but in those awkward spots the tool's drawbacks make it all the more frustrating.

>>1556419
Yellow master race

>>1557208
Home Depot had Xmas sales going from Black Friday to the beginning of Feb. You could get a really good brushless Ryobi set for like $250. I bet Father’s Day will have some good ones.

Also if you download the Home Depot app, they have a “Deal of the Day” that changes every 24hrs and it seems like once a week they will have some power tools or compressors on there. It’s kinda a pain in the ass to watch but a week or two ago they had a few really good Milwaukee deals with like $600 worth of tools for $250.

>>1557216
Your neighbors must hate you so much.

>>1557214
>put all batteries in series
>the voltage is higher so it's better now
It's still the same overall power, just configured differently

>>1557226
If you never touch a car sure

>>1557230
No dumb fuck 20 is 2 volts more powerful. There’s also god tier 60 volt tools now. You’re red garbage simply can’t compete

>>1557242
18 volts is the nominal voltage of a 5 cell series lithium pack, 20 volts is the same battery but they are advertising the fully charged voltage instead of the nominal voltage.
Basically you're retarded.

>>1557230
>It's still the same overall power, just configured differently
It's the same energy content, but the higher voltage makes it easier to deliver higher power. Smaller conductors/lower resistive losses. There's a reason why 40V tools have been popular on contractor-grade lines for a long time, why Makita is going to doubled-up batteries in series for high-power tools, and why electric cars operate at high voltages. The Flex-Volt ones in particular use the series configuration to get around some regulations regarding shipping large-capacity batteries.

>>1557245
20 is 20 is still a higher power then your red trash

>>1557229
That's the Ryobi deal I got. I took the brushless jigsaw and recip as bonus tools. No complaints so far, but I'm not a contractor or use them everyday

>>1557246
The draw on these batteries isnt high enough to justify needing higher voltage, it really makes no difference.
What the fuck are you talking about getting around shipping large batteries lol
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
There is a watt hour limit batteries, it doesn't matter what the voltage is, the watt hour capacity is all that matters, voltage is irrelevant.
>>1557248
Congrats on being low iq and falling for dumbass marketing
18 and 20v batteries are literally the exact same thing, zero differences.
https://cordlessdrillzone.com/drill-wars/20v-max-vs-18v-batteries-which-is-more-powerful/

>>1557258
>it really makes no difference
You know that resistive losses are proportional to amperage, right? Three times the voltage means one third the losses for a given conductor size and power output. Modern cordless tools can draw dozens of amps from the battery, and getting a high duty cycle on that takes large conductors.

>What the fuck are you talking about getting around shipping large batteries lol
The FlexVolt batteries can exceed the maximum energy content permitted for air shipping. But they're built as three 20V batteries that are connected in series. So for regulatory purposes, the cap they come with turns them into three smaller batteries that can be shipped by air.

>>1557258
18 and 20 are clearly very different numbers you fuck tard

>>1557284
He's a fucktard all right, but he's correct on that point. The modern batteries use lithium cells in series that produce 20V open circuit and 18V under load.

>>1557282
I understand that, I do a shitload of electronics work, I undertand wire ampacity and reaistive losses, but it's not that big of a deal, you can deliver enough power easily through the 18v system.
I've never ever seen a burned up electrical contact where the battery plugs into the tool, and that's exactly where it would burn up under max load if it were going to.

Also lmao for dewalt niggering a loophole like that, its still a 160watt hour battery no matter how you label it.

>>1557284
Brainlet confirmed

>>1557292
You’re fried. Your uncle fucked your asshole a little too much and now you can’t comprehend why the Flexvolt system is a good idea.

>>1557289
>>1557292
20 is greater then 18 and that’s FACT you cannot dispute facts you dense fucking faggots

reminder that dewalts are branded as 18v in europe because the 20v max is false advertising targeted at dense americans

>>1557296
I can comprehend why it's good obviously, I'm just saying it's not really necessary.
I think they just did it as marketing 2bh, same reason homeboy here is sperging out over 18 vs 20

>>1557308
>>1557310
54>18

>>1557153

t. has never worked on any car

>>1557219
>>1557136
Disregard these posts I suck cucks. There’s a little dial at the base of the m18 right angle drill that sets the cutoff point at which the drill bitches out. Some gay electronic limiter or something. Fiddled with that and the problem is cured.

Also I tried a 90 degree hex drive attachment and those things just suck to use imo.

>>1556965
lel I need more /diy/ related anime shit

>>1557230
>if you never touch a car sure

See the tool truck guy above.
There are purpose built tools for automotive.

>>1557375
See
>>1556992

I have a foreman that swears by Rigid, what's the general consensus on the brand? After using them they seem sturdy and powerful but I haven't fucked with them a ton

>>1555225
i don't know but they sure as fuck are expensive. $750 for a fucking 1/2" impact. i owe the tool truck guy somewhere around $45k at this point but it's worth it to use tools that actually work

>>1557458
?
the impact is 250 at home depot, stop getting scammed

>>1557479
maybe for a garbage one with no torque. full list price is actually $825 so i got a decent deal

>>1557484
It's their most powerful model available retard, the only one more powerful is the 1 inch which isn't even released yet.
I guess you really are too retarded to figure this out, enjoy being scammed.

>>1557381
Battery powered tools don't really have a place in professional automotive imo.
Maybe the average joe who's changing tires in his garage could rig up his ryobi impact drill to undo lug nuts.

>>1557486
they don't even make a 1" cordless you fucking tard. hell they don't even make a 3/4"

>>1557484
what model #?

>>1557502
They do make a 1 inch, it's not on the market yet, it was announced late last year.
They make a 3/4 but it's the exact same gun as the 1/2 but with a bigger anvil.
God damn retard lmao

>>1557498
Ok_retard_doge.png
Get naenaed xaxaxaxa

>>1555225
best brand for table saw? Nothing bespoke ofc

>>1557513
old and made of cast iron faggot

>>1557510
wrong and wrong. there's a couple chink brands shilling 3/4" impacts but the biggest red one is 1/2"

>>1557519
https://www.milwaukeetool.com/Products/Power-Tools/Fastening/Impact-Wrenches/2764-22

>>1557510
ITT
Overusing "retard"

But really,
Why would you reach for the battery powered impact when there are air tools available?

>>1557529
>>1557519
Why is this thread so full of retards lol
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-M18-FUEL-ONE-KEY-18-Volt-Lithium-Ion-Brushless-Cordless-3-4-in-Impact-Wrench-w-Friction-Ring-Tool-Only-2864-20/303651984

>>1557530
99% of mechanics are retards so yeah
Air power is shit lol
My mobile setup is top notch

>>1557529
>>1557532
like i said chink brands. you can't buy a fucking red tool in Home Depot you fuck nuggets

>>1557541
I thought you meant Milwaukee
I hope you knkw snapon electric impacts are made in china AND they perform worse than Milwaukee lol
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=172660

>>1557536
Mobile.
Implying that air tools are not available.
If you're breaking off lugs on the side of the road, sure. But not in a shop

>>1557548
there's only ONE red tool and no they are made right here in the great US of A. chink tools are garbage for poor bitches like yourself

>>1557551
Ok, what tool is that?
>>1557549
Ive never needed air tools, hell my 3/8 m12 impact took lug nuts off a dually i just did a wheel lift install on.
Took em off without a sweat

>>1557498
Unfortunately the furfag is right. You gotta try some of these power tools sold in Home Depot the past 10 years.

>>1557484
Home Depot had a deal on the Milwaukee that people use to bust nuts claimed to be 1400ft-lbs, it’s $229 for the tool and they tossed in a 5.0Ah battery.

The Snappy tho, that’s like $800.

>>1557594
>The Snappy tho, that’s like $800.
yeah but you can pay it off over a few decades

>>1557600
But what's the warranty like on a snappy vs a milwacky?

>>1557605
It's actually better lol milwauker 5 year tool 3 year battery
Snapon 1 year tool 1 year battery

>>1557605
technically a year but the tool guy will generally fix/replace it for quite some time as long as it wasn't abused. worst case you can buy any part you need and they really are fairly reasonable. entire plastic housing has a list price of $36 but actual price is more like $25. the only component that's kinda pricey is the motor which i believe was around $100 in the book.

>>1557600
And end up paying $1900 for a gun that died 4 years ago and works as well as a <$250 Milwaukee.

Snappy makes a couple things that are top notch, but it’s a total waste of money for 99.5% of people to buy anything off the truck. When you buy a $100 Snappy tool, you’re probably paying something like $40 for the actual tool, $20 for the warranty, and the other $40 is paying for the tool truck goy’s service including a credit line and bringing tools to you while on the job. If it’s worth the extra money so you don’t have to wait til payday to buy a specialty tool that you need to finish a job today, then maybe over time all of that markup on Snappy shit is worth it to you.

>>1557292
>but it's not that big of a deal, you can deliver enough power easily through the 18v system
My 18V angle grinder can draw 40 amps. When do you think it becomes a big deal?

>>1557618
It becomes a deal when the connectors where the battery hooks up start to become hot and melt.

>>1557613
nah it'll far outlive that chink gun.

>>1557621
The snapon impact is made in china tho

>>1557623
lol no

>>1557625
Yes, it is lol
"Made in usa with global materials"
Wow so americans are assembling the gook parts instead of gooks, got it

>>1557619
So you declare by fiat that resistive waste heat, its accompanying loss of battery life due to wasted energy, and thermal stress on electronics just don't matter. In a battery-powered tool.

Why do you think modern cordless tools wire their individual cells in series to produce more than 3.7 volts? It's because of the issues I've been talking about. The power difference between 12V and 18V tools is typically enough to warrant wiring series of five cells together rather than three. And you somehow think that there is no benefit to be had from higher voltages despite the ever-increasing power of cordless tools. Don't you realize that 18V was itself a design compromise balancing several factors (a compromise that dates to before the adoption of lithium batteries), and that increasing power demands obviously justify higher voltages?

>>1557629
says "Made in USA" right on you dumb ass

>>1557646
The difference between 3.7 and 18 is large and necessary, the difference between 18 and 60 is negligible and unnecessary, obviously, because dewalts impacts are 60v and are weaker than milwaukee.
Wow, 60 volts didn't make it stronger?
huh.
Diminishing returns is obviously kicking in around 18 volts since the entire m18 line is loaded with highly demanding tools and are experiencing no issues.
Each 18650 is capable of providing 30a continuous, 3 parallel means 90 amps, 90x18=1620watts
That's continuous rating, they can provide MUCH higher peak output for short periods.
Dewalts 60v table saw which is a very demanding tool claims to take around 1600w, so they aren't even taking advantage of the higher voltages of the cell.
An m18 battery could provide the same power output overall as the 60, and the lack of failures and consistent proven history of the m18 lineup and battery system does nothing but reinforce that this system is adequate.

>>1557648
https://youtu.be/p1qgHtIujGw?t=161

Milkuwee RED LITHIUM implying special fucking battery tech and I honestly see no real appeal to lug around tools named after a hilbilly redneck town, unless youre heavily into incest

Dewalt, its supposed to be a german company named to sound american, actually have cheapest battery prices
For anything under and including 5ah, and use the 6ah/60v 2ah and higher to jack up the price, most and cheapest 1000 torques impact, plus a while back they had those nice Nano batteries based on A123 cells, delivering full power all the way to cell voltage cutoff. But the flexvolt shit is red lithium tier marketing stunt and its useless in a powertool as 18v can push plenty amps and over short distances wire thickness doesnt matter as much, solid connectors are far more important. If anything, 60v is more likely to damage the cells in case of a short, since amp draw will skyrocket and cells arent paralelled anymore to back it up so they can overheat and go into thermal runaway easier.
18v with 2 or more parallel cells would just melt the weakest connection and break the circuit before the cells even know wassup

Makeeta cheapest batteries, tools are the same or cheaper than competition, however fuck help you to get the red and green on the charger, thats a bricked battery and there used to be no coming back from it, had to buy a new one
I had a few bad ones (bought them like that) and charged them on a 3rd party charger for years, but for the lithium waste these guys produced by having millions of tradies just bin the red and green packs, they should face the slaughterhouse. Now you can buy chinese pcb's that will work on the original charger, but better fucking make sure your cells are balanced or youll burn the site down as these boards have no balance circuit and can easily overcharge cells.
They also had the the LXT radios for ages always for a decent price and that stuff sounds sweet, as opposed to anyone elses radios that sounded like bricks falling through a refuse chute

>>1556752
there are only 3 impact drivers on there, the standard Gen 3 model, Gen 3 w/One Key and the Surge Hydraulic driver.

the rest of them are impact wrenches, either the High Torque, Mid Torque, or Compact models with 3/4", 7/16" Hex, 1/2" Pin Detent, 1/2" Hog Ring or 3/8" socket drives, with or without One Key variants.

>>1557153
>Gaijin barbarians dont use 36v power pruning sheers folded 1000 times to maintain their Bonzai Garden

Shamful Dispray

>>1557242
>>1557248
you ever notice how '20V MAX" batteries dont exist outside of the US and everything in 18v? its marketing BS thats illegal in Europe.

>>1556928
What's the difference between fuel and brushless? I thought the fuel was their brushless line?

>>1557085
What's the differ nice between the black and teal makitas?

jesus christ this entire board is dumber than redditfags

>>1557889
black tools are their sub-compact line, they are compact brushless tools that compete with Milwaukee's M12 Fuel tools but still use 18v LXT batteries.

that is unless you live in Japan where Makita makes tools in a number of different colors (black, green, pink, dark red, brown, gold, etc) for shits and giggles.

>>1557911
God these tools look so cheap lol

>>1557912
they are actually very highly rated, though they did cut corners in some areas like the plastic chucks and small batteries in the combo kits.

>>1557915
>plastic chucks
Jesus

>>1557536
What kind of work do you do with that setup?

>>1557947
Pretty much anything, lately I do a lot of restorations and fabrication on cars and trucks, I used to mostly work on RZRs but that slowed down, that setup has 99% of what I need to do pretty much anything.
Milwaukee bag has my grinder, 3/8 and half inch impact, drill and bits, headlamp, all fuel, and multimeter.
The ammo box is all stuff for welding snd fabrication, calipers, squares, levels, tig cups and tungsten, carbide burrs, magnets for tacking, gloves and respirator, files, and of course a tig finger ty Jody
The craftsman box with stickers is abrasives, hammers, heat shrink soldering iron, body hammers, tapes, more squares, wire wheels, tape measure, propane torch etc
Red box is all hand tools and sockets pliers screwdrivers etc

>>1557952
Ahh, and this work is done outside then since it's mobile? Or do you insist on having a garage?

>>1557956
I work anywhere, in shops, on the side of the road, in your garage, in my backyard etc
I try to make my system as mobile and useful as possible.

>>1557966
Oh, so you are unemployed

>>1557972
People want me full time but I refuse, I need more time for myself and my own projects.
I have so many skills and so much knowledge that all my time is gone, it's extremely tiring and stressful.

>>1557974
Time to start hiring some apprentices then

>>1557974
Ah yes, the old "allegedly turning down employment to shit post on 4chan all day".
There are a lot of you on this website.

>>1557983
Im on here to spread my knowledge 2bh

>>1557983
When you pull in $200-300 an hour it’s a real bitch having to turn down work.

>>1557989
>>1557987
lol

>>1557991
Replacing the roof on a trans am rn, wanna join?

>>1558057
>taking a picture of your uncles project car

>>1557966
>unemployable

>>1557974
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha

>>1555225
>What is your fave colour scheme for powertools
Blue one, easy and cheap to repair here.

>>1558102
Lol no, I restore cars
>>1558103
Only by choice, im in high demand

>>1557652
What in the world are you on about? I haven't been talking about the cells' ability to deliver a lot of current, I've been talking about practicalities of the electronics that USE that current. Higher voltage for the same power means less waste heat, cooler electronics, and more work done per battery charge for a given wire gauge and heat dissipation capacity. The difference between 18 and 60 is proportionally the same as the difference between 3.7 and 12. Meaning that, if the shift from 3.7 to 12V is justified at the power of 12V tools, the shift from 18V to 60 is exactly as justified at five times the power of the 12V tools in question. It's not a matter of whether low-voltage tools work - obviously they can, and at much higher amperages than currently in use - it's a matter of engineering compromises across multiple parameters. And there are actual reasons why, as motor power increases, operating voltage typically does too. Cordless power tools represent a small section of the trend that holds across much wider scales in other applications.

>>1557292

>where the battery plugs into the tool, and that's exactly where it would burn up under max load if it were going to.

>I have so many skills and so much knowledge that all my time is gone, it's extremely tiring and stressful.

yea nice try but the correct answer is actually the commutator/brushes

keep larping, you dont know shite

>>1558429
>yea nice try but the correct answer is actually the commutator/brushes
?
The entire fuel line is brushless, there is no commutator or brushes.

>>1557736
>hilbilly redneck town
It's the biggest city in Wisconsin. Think Chicago but a fifth the size and farther north. It's also a Democratic stronghold that is mostly responsible for Wisconsin's swing state status.

>>1558430

not gonna lie i didnt even read the original post just felt like being a faggot

carry on

>>1558434
felt like being a retard* which you are continuing to do, how embarrassing