/diy/ - Do It Yourself

Dewalt just came out with their 60v line, they don’t need anything new.

>>1400926
>>1400926
>Milwaukee Tools and DeWalt both sit on top of the higher echelons of power tool rankings.

Wrong!

>>1400970
Makita is junk and looks like shit.

>>1400926
im not a big Dewalt fan but they have plenty of new stuff in the works, especially in their flexvolt line. their 60v tools are more powerful than their current Milwaulkee Fuel equivalents and they have stuff like track saws and concrete saws that Milwaukee will probobly never make.

>>1400971
Makita and Milwaukee are on the same tier and maybe slightly better than Dewalt. Milwaukee focuses on pushing the power and capabilities of their motors and batteries to their limit while Makita takes a more conservative approach that makes their tools last longer.

biggest problem with Milwaukee tools is their heavy emphasis on "The Trades". its fine if you are doing that kind of work or are just looking for a good set of tools to throw around but their selection of stationary equipment is poor and their specialty woodworking tools like biscuit joiners or planers are a fucking joke. hell they have never even made a table saw until now and its a cordless Bluetooth-only model that exists only to compete with Dewalt's Flexvolt table saw.

>>1400982
Milwaukee has mostly focused on the electrical and plumbing markets, but they are attempting to break into carpentry which makita and dewalt have dominated for years (besides sawzalls(TM) of course). I would expect more power tools oriented in that direction in the coming years. I like their recent push into handtools, their new chalk lines are great.

My question for you OP is why do you need new tools every year? I have a sawzall that's almost 10 years old and I don't foresee it breaking anytime soon.

>>1400926
>I've always been a DeWalt fanboy. I have DeWalt everything (mostly).
Why dont you get their logo tatted to your head while you're at it, faggot.

>>1401279

I already have one, but not on my forehead

>>1401290
lol are those dewalt socks?

DeFault cant even touch the shit milwaukee is coming out with. They already have a 12v **impact** that can do car tires. And now they have a fucking cordless chainsaw that will blow a 32cc chainsaw away.

Fuck outta here with your 60v shit

>>1400926
why the fuck are the handles on the wrong side?

>>1401352
I donnow man, my impact works well.

>>1400971
even you have to admit this thing is kawaii.

>>1401359
that older Dewalt brushed impact is rated at 400ft/lb of torque while the new M12 Fuel impact wrench is a fraction of the size and puts out 250ft/lbs. not enough to replace you big stuff but thats enough to get wheels off and do a lot of the smaller work in tighter places you might do with a manual socket wrench instead.

>>1401383
the Brushless model is a much more impressive tool though.

I just switched from Milwaukee to Makita

Milwaukee seem to be putting their energy into faggotry like OneKey an app that communicates eith your tool and tells you when you need to service it.. while Makita keep refining their tools and improving them. fuck Milwaukee

20+ Makita 18v tools here.

8 year old recip saw, 7 year old circular saw, both heavily used and somewhat abused and running strong. I've gone through 1 impact driver and 1 drill, they both lasted about 5 years and now I have the brushless models.

What does it come down to in the end? Whatever system you invest in because batteries are fucking expensive.

>a single milwaukee phillips head drill bit
>$3.99

the fucking gall of these assholes

>>1400926
All these tool brands are owned and made by the same Chinese company. Techtronic Industries. This company nearly has a literal monopoly on all power tools sold in the US. They're playing you all for fools.

As a tradesman it's awesome watching all these new battery tools come out, I got to play with this guys 36V double battery Makita skillsaw the other day, that thing was a fucking beast.

>mfw battery trim routers
>mfw battery chainsaws
>mfw battery belt sanders
>mfw battery rotary drills
>mfw battery nail guns

The future feels fucking good lads. Mains leads are the bane of my fucking existence.

>>1402801
>>mfw battery chainsaws

not in the near future.

what I hope to have before I die is a lightweight powerful vacuum that I can wear or carry and vacuum my whole house without fucking with one cable or hose.

>>1402804
Buy a roomba. Literal god tier machine, never vaccuum your house again.

>>1402801
Kek there are so many skins available it's getting ridiculous

>mfw this thing
>Hey bro
>*grabs battery out of your drill*
>Just gotta make a coffee real quick

>>1402804
Cleaners at my school got backpack vacuum cleaners, looked like fucking ghostbusters. Main concourse was open 24/7 never saw them use a proper vacuum and carpet was always spotless. I thought it was fucking retarded waste of money but thinking back now just have been not a bad idea i guess.

>>1402829
>t backpack vacuum cleaners

yes I know they exist, but I also added "lightweight" and "no cable". In other words, something that I'll never see.

>>1402833
Back when I used to look after a bar/hotel something I could've slung on my back and gave er with would've saved me a ton of work on cleanup.

Smells like a ripe kickstarter opportunity senpai.

>>1402833
>>1402838
Makita already makes a very nice 36v backpack vacuum and Milwaukee just announced their own take on on at their new product symposium.

>lightweight vac
id take a slightly heavier one with a large capacity canister than a lightweight one with shit capacity. thats my problem with Ryobi's new cordless stick vacuum, it looks very well made but the canister is so small i would need to dump it 5-6 times just to do a couple rooms.

>>1400926
If it wasn't for the zealot Milwaukee sales rep when I was in the tool store I would have went Milwaukee. Mother fucker made it seem like the Milwaukee cult.

Something about Milwaukee pushing into hand tools, and the same with DeWalt to a lesser degree just rubs me the wrong way. Trying to breed fanboy cultism.

I'm happy that I've gone Makita.

I'm a Milwaukee user only because I'm half and half electrician and plumber and the specialty tools are great. I can take the same battery from my pipe cutter to my flashlight, then to a soldering iron and a dremel.

I don't think they're millions of miles ahead of the competition but I do really like the variety

>>1400926
Milwaukee's last tool event was just playing catch-up to DeWalt

>>1401290
Fuck and I thought I had a DeWalt obsession, you could have had them at least put a xr battery on your tat

>>1403038
all Dewalt did was announce their 12.0 battery a week before Milwaukee's meeting where they announced their own 12.0 battery. what Dewalt didnt tell you is that their batteries will be more expensive and wont be released until after Milwaukees'.

>>1403108
More like all the tools they released DeWalt already had out

>>1400960
>60v

This is on lithium obviously so... When does 3.2-5 v (depending on generosity of manufacturer rating) add up to 60?

I noticed that tools rated at 18v in reasonable places are usually marked up to 20v ("max," heh) in the USA.

>>1403190
>I noticed that tools rated at 18v in reasonable places are usually marked up to 20v ("max," heh) in the USA.
This is common marketing mack bullshit. The measure the voltage at different times. The MAX ratings are all from when the battery pack comes right off of a charger.

They do the same thing with electric motor horsepower ratings. That is how you can have a 5 horsepower shop vac. Cause the measure the absolute maximum horsepower you can get out of the motor right before it blows up not under normal conditions.

>>1403129
>new Milwaukee products Dewalt already makes
cordless table saw
electric chainsaw
brushless barrel grip jig saw

>new Milwaukee products Dewalt doesnt make
1" impact wrench
cordless backpack vav
9" cordless angle grinder
brushless top handle jig saw
12v stubby impact wrench
3/8" mid-torque impact wrench
12v 3" cut off tool

i dont think Milwaukee is worried, their new M18 Fuel hammer drill and impact set are smaller and will outperform anything Dewalt has right now and the Fuel Gen 2 Circular Saw and Super Sawzall look even more powerful than their 60v Flexvolt equivalents.

>>1403228
>brushless top handle jig saw

Do want, every battery jigsaw I have ever used has been shit and jigsaws one of the worst tools to deal with cords on.

>>1402972
Yeah Milwaukee reps are annoying as shit. The one I talked to was trying to sell me on this onekey shit. He was saying

>Wow it's so cool you can use it to change settings on drills and limit modes and power output!
>Why would anyone ever need that?
>Because uh it's cool and stuff?....

Fucking Milwaukee shills.

>>1403266
they just need to be trained how to focus their sales pitch on how the customer would actually use the tool. lots of people are "tool guys" because they are fun and like the technology behind it but they need to remember that the real people that are buying crap like One Key need to be told how it will make their lives different.

talk about how you can disable the LED light to save battery life, talk about how the variable speed controls can be set to exact parameters to make repetitive jobs like self-tapping screws go more efficiently, talk about how the lockout feature will keep thieves from taking tools with the One-Key label, talk about how the lighting systems can be installed in weird places then controlled by remote or set with timers so they turn off when there is nobody at the job site.

One Key is a better system that what Dewalt and Bosch have come up with, but you need to know how to sell it, when i worked at Home Depot i steered a lot of people away from One Key because it was a dumb system that 90% of my customers would never use. i would get a more satisfied customer when they paid $50-100 less for the same set and feel like they saved some money rather that sell them on a gimmick they didnt come for.

>>1403275
I see what you are getting at, but nah fuck that shit I don't want the botnet on my tools and I know a lot of other tradesmen who feel the same way.

Milwaukee Thunderbolt > everything else
New - gen milwaukees are crap.

>>1402758
What is makita, bosch. hitachi, etc?

>>1403190
18+18+18 = 54 (what the 60V is everywhere else)
20+20+20 = 60

That's where the adding up to 60 comes from

>>1401469
>250ft/lbs
So basically nothing.

>>1403395
18v tools start around 300ft/lbs, for something of that size running off of a 12v battery 250ft/lb is amazing. thats more than twice as powerful as any competing 12v tool and more torque than any 18v Impact Driver.

>same tools
>different color of plastic

Genius.

>>1400926

>.t wilfuckee shill impersonating dewilt shill

>>1401469
So basically a meme tool. It's like that battery heat gun that runs for 18 minutes and can't even reach temps high enough to bend PVC conduit. Neat, but no one really needs it.

>>1402833
Well these were cordless, that's the whole point they couldn't have wires for people to trip over on the main thoroughfare. Also it was little old ladies using them so i can't imagine they were heavy. This was about 5 or 6 years ago but like i said it was a school and probably cost silly money.

>>1403284
Hi Bepis, kill yourself please.

>>1400971
This

Bosch and its retarded cousin Skill wins!

Is hitachi worth buying?
I dont know shit about power tools and I need an angle grinder for my blacksmithing, and possibly glassblowing

>>1403608
Get w/e from Harbor Freight.
If you're doing it for a passion, as it seems you are, you don't need a "name brand". I've put over 500 hours of really, really rough use through mine as a mechanic and the only reason I still haven't bought a new one is... it still fuckin works. My snap-on impact gun however doesn't like the cold apparently. Poor thing.

>not using Peugeot tool

>>1400926
where the fuck do you get a case for that circular saw in pic? I want to get one for my dad and I don't think they exist

>>1403666
Milwaukee only makes hardcases for their drills and "flatter" specialty tools like pipe cutters and rotary hammers. go get a storage case from their Packout line instead, its deep enough to hold a circular saw with accessories and you can lock them together with other boxes in that system.

>>1402758
I hope you’re preteding to be this retarded

So, what ARE the current tier lists for tools now? I wanna see you go full /v/, but you had better be able to back up your claims.

>>1402810
>snicker for a moment
>roll my eyes, wife snickers
>Wife nudges me to look it up....
>ITS FUCKING REAL!
>Shes demanding one for her Milwaukee power tools, but milwaukee doesn't make one....yet.

I'm in awe gents.

>>1401290
That is retarded.

>>1403838
And is there any real reason not to go with Ryobi or Porter Cable for somebody who might break out the sawzall once every 2-3 months?

$300 sale prices on 7 tools with a couple batteries is tempting. I want a brand new lineup of every DeWalt tool but goddamn would it be a waste of money for the average homeowner and DIY guy.

>>1403526
Retarded

>>1403923
Yeah, not interested in your input tripcunt, die in a fire.

>>1403838
>Better than you need tier:
Hilti, Mac, Fein, Festool/Protool, Ingersol Rand, Snap On, Professional Panasonics, Nemo Underwater

> "Good drill" tier
Dewalt, Makita, Milwaukee, Blue Bosch, Hitatchi, Metabo

>"high end home-use" tier
24v Kobalt, Ridgid

>good enough for around the house tier
Ryobi, porter cable, black and decker, craftsman, Worx, 20v Kobalt, Stanley

>Chinese flea market tier
Chicago Electric, Wen, Hercules, Bauer, Earthquake

>literally who tier
Greenworks, Genesis, Rockwell, Triton, everything else

>>1403923
Ryobi has a much wider variety of tools in their line-up and have put a lot of effort into modernizing their selection of 18v tools. they are they only "homeowner tier" line of tools with a full set of brushless options as well as a huge outdoor power tool lineup to compliment their standard tools. they also make a lot of wacky stuff no other brand would touch like tire inflators, hot melt glue guns, household vacuums, loads of radios and lighting options and they even have some new pool cleaning tools.

>>1404028
I could go with either Ryobi or Porter Cable since I don’t think I will need the Li-Ion glue gun. I kinda despise Lowe’s so I’m leaning towards Ryobi but Porter Cable looks less like toys.

Pic related is the deal I could come up with from the Home Depot website and that’s not bad at all for $230. The 2pk of 3.0Ah batteries gives you a free tool (impact) and the other kit on sale. Only problem is the lack of an option for a heavy duty impact from those brands, leaving Milwaukee or DeWalt as the real options.

Other option is to go with Dewalt. I already have a bunch of the 10 year old NiCd 18V so I could start investing in the new batteries and that little adapter and slowly replace the old shit as it burns out. For $250 I could probably get a brushed 1/4” impact and drill/driver combo and a 3.0Ah+ battery (or two). I don’t want to spend money on more 18v NiCd batteries.

>>1403935
Thx for your help

>>1403923
you can get the same 8 tools from Ryobi right now for $288.

>>1404039
Buy Ryobi's 6-piece "ultimate combo" for $199 over the 4 piece super combo, the tools and batteries are better and you get the an impact and modular multitool along with them. that impact isnt as torque-y as the brushless model you picked out but it will do the job.

grab that 3.0 battery starter set then look around at the other tools you might find a use for like a cordless grinder, vacuum, inflator, work light, etc.

if you need to get some heavier work done grab an impact wrench kit for $129.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Ryobi-18-Volt-ONE-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Impact-Wrench-Kit-with-1-4-0Ah-Battery-and-Charger-P1890/206736695

>>1404045
>300ft-lb impact
That’s what I was talking about. My corded electric one will do better than that. Ehh, it’s almost worth the $129 for the 3.0Ah battery at least.

Those 6-tool and 8-tool kits are straight too. I have multiple basic drills that still work fine for dropping in the random drywall anchor. I’m not sure what I’m trying to do.
>The option for a >500ft-lb 1/2” impact in the future
>A hammer drill that can actually go through the concrete exterior walls would be nice, at the very least a masonry drill in the lineup that doesn’t cost a car payment.
>Sawzall with some balls that lasts more than 5min
My 18V DeWalt masonry drill is on its way out. And that last one is a reason why I’m not going to be content with 2x1.3Ah batteries in those kits. I wish the major brands didn’t rape the consumer so bad on batteries. Maybe I should just get a fucking chainsaw, and none of that 40V or 60V battery powered bullshit. I got so frustrated waiting for batteries to cool down enough to charge after Irma rolled through.

>>1404040
>>1404045
Wtf is that oscillating multitool for anyway? I have never used one. Glorified scraper like if I had to get old grout up in the bathroom? Do they cut?

>>1400926

I kind of want to get the 12v drill and impact combo, my local home depot has a special for $100. those of you that own the milwaukee 12v tools, how powerful are they in real terms (e.g. the torque in in/lbs is impressive, but not useful). will the drill drive screws into studs? will the impact take off rusted bolts under my car or a lug nut?

>>1404074
>Wtf is that oscillating multitool for anyway?
https://www.protoolreviews.com/news/6-ways-pros-use-an-oscillating-multi-tool/24662/

the Ryobi multitool has a removable powerhead and is compatible with Ridgid's Jobmax like of modular tool heads.
https://www.ridgid.com/powertools/jobmax/

>>1404074
you can always stick with Dewalt and go for a 20v kit, this 5-piece set has been around for a while but has some pretty solid tools and you can always buy some of the newer heavier duty tools and bigger batteries. if 2.0ah isnt enough runtime you can jump all the way up to 12.0ah, it will just cost you a lot more.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/DEWALT-20-Volt-MAX-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Combo-Kit-5-Tool-with-2-Batteries-2Ah-Charger-and-Contractor-Bag-DCK520D2/206510145

>>1404084
12v tools are capable of doing 85% of the work you would expect out of an 18v tool, you can easily throw some screws in a stud or drill holes in treated material. you wont notice the tools bogging down until you start trying to use big hole saws or drive 1/2" lag screws without pre-drilling.

if the $99 Milwaukee set isnt powerful enough for you jump up to the M12 Fuel set which do outspec many 18v drills and impact drivers in a much smaller package.

>>1404097
Ooooh that’s straight for $299

>>1404095
I wold be down with that. Recently replaced a toilet in my house and re-caulked the shower and that thing would’ve come in handy. The orbital sanding too, I had two of them and they disappeared on me when I moved.

Best cordless drill I ever used was a Festool T18. The balance, the compromise between light weight and reassuring heft, the power. It was a delightful experience. Sometimes when I'm using other drills I think back to that time and say to myself "Will anything ever feel so right?". But I know it won't.

>>1404207
Festool handtools are garbage

might not be the thread to ask but i didnt want to create a new one... is Ryobi good enough? I'm no pro but I do use my tools fairly often for around the house projects and making furniture for myself, friends, and family. Mostly own Ridgid and Milwaukee tools.
My non-sliding Ridgid 10" saw broke (my fault so no warranty) and I'm looking to get a new sliding miter saw, either 10" or 12", this weekend. Should I go with the the Ridgid or will Ryobi be good enough for a hobbyist like me?

10" Sliding
Ridgid - $350
Ryobi - $170

12" Sliding
Ridgid - $400
Ryobi - $250

>>1405532
Ryobi tools usually fall under "good enough"; the Ridgid is more heavily built and has larger cut capacities but they will both be able to do the job. if you are really worried about the Ryobi doing a poor job just buy good quality Diablo blades and it will keep up just fine.

>>1402987
So you’re a handyhack

>>1405564
>tfw when blade nublet and bought a 80 dollar diablo blade with the wrong sized arbor

>>1405564
thanks I'm leaning towards the ryobi that way I can buy another router and dedicate it to my router table. I already have a 10" diablo blade (80 tooth i think) from my last miter saw that i can salvage.

>>1402829
>>1402833
I bought two of the ProTeam GoFree wireless backpack vacuums for my cleaning team last year.

They love them. Last about an hour of constant use. Mainly use them for staircases where we can't have the public tripping over the cord and elevators. They can easily do a conference room and work well around furniture which is the main reason to use a backpack vac in the first place. They're just shy of 20 lbs which is pretty light since the weight is on your back.

Downside is that they cost $1500+. I would never use them to replace our regular backpack vacs at that price. The rest of our backpacks are LineVancers and are less than half of the cost and are HEPA. Backpacks also don't have beater bars so they aren't great for thick carpet and are terrible at removing pet hair.

They are cheaper than a lawsuit from an employee tripping down a staircase though.

>>1403190

I am half surprised that automotive batteries arent marketed as 12.8v (MAX™) to make them sound better.

>>1405532
Do you need it this weekend? SCMS are pretty common my local craigslist. Might take a month, but you could definitely get a better saw cheaper that will last the rest of your life.

>>1405767
building a farmhouse table this weekend so it would be nice to have but I also have a circular saw and table saw i can get by with. just thought since it was father's day there might be some deals but i can also wait for 4th of july.

unfortunately people in my area are charging 95% MSRP for a beat to shit miter saw and I have to drive 2hrs round trip. I'll keep an eye out though

>>1403266

Well, if you like being datamined by the tool company, or having your tool fucked with remotely by hackers, then onekey sounds brilliant.

>>1405683
A fully charged car battery is 14V

>>1404005
This list is shit. Mac, snap on, and ingersoll rand aren't any better than milwaukee or dewalt. The only good cordless tool snap on makes is their ratchet. Everything else is overpriced and underpowered. Mac is literally just rebranded dewalt shit. Ingersoll rand was good when it was first released but that was like fucking 10 years ago. Their shit is outdated as fuck.

>>1407093
Nah. A fully charged car battery is about 12.8 volts. They are charged at 14 volts but the battery itself will never hold that.

>>1408244
those three brands are commercial level tools meant for heavier industrial applications in shops and manufacturing floors, not small time auto shops or DiY homeowners.

they might not have the latest and greatest in technology but brands like them charge more because their tools are built to last. just look at AvE's breakdown of a Snap On cordless impact vs. a Milwaukee or Earthquake model. they are just better put together tools with heavier components that wont wear over time, will do a better job of keeping dust and gunk out of the internals and will stay together no matter what kind of solvents you get on them or abuse they go through.

in AvE's review of his little Hilti 12v impact driver he noticed the body of the tool was made of a more advanced fiberglass-reinforced plastic material that wouldnt become fragile in sub-freezing condition. your M12 Fuel impact might have more power but manufacturing features like that are what puts commercial level tools above what you can pick up at Home Depot, which is why they are categorized separately. a Dewalt Flexvolt circular saw might rip sheets of plywood faster than a Festool track saw but they are different tools designed for different users and different applications, there is no reason to spent a fortune on tools you'll never use in the right context to justify that price premium.

>>1408413
>AvE
I think you should take dude’s reviews with a grain of salt. From watching a few of his videos, he doesn’t always know what is made a certain way for what reason. And you can tell he’s learning as he goes along but his fetish for injection molding doesn’t mean he’s smarter than the people who designed the tools.

He’s biased as hell too. He will readily overlook something on a Hilti that he would shit on DeWalt for doing or not doing.