/diy/ - Do It Yourself

it has 2 overhead doors(one on either side) this side opens onto a scrub-filled pasture the other opens onto an old concrete slab and a nice high chain-link fence filled in with vines(no pictures since it was too overgrown to get a pic at the time)

there are a lot of leftover chunks and bits that the asshole left behind in the building but here is what the inner walls look like.

here is the inside of the roof, heat gets through really really easily.

there's a closet and a counter-top where-in there is some high current power(originally for an arc-welding unit) this still works too

there is power in the upper areas of the building and rafters of significant over-construction.

one of the uses I have for this building is fetish safety and technical demonstrations. so If I put in a ceiling I would still like to be able to install hoists or winches along the center rafter frame(for suspension of people) seeing as I have used this feature to remove the engine block from cars and an old ford tractor I know it's plenty safe.

would a swamp-cooler work particularly well? in a coastal area with extraordinarily high humidity? are there ways to seal the building well enough to install air conditioning

taking my first round of pictures I found what will be the project mascot.

I think I will name her Lucy

I even got a free rolling work-table out of the deal.
as well as some saved sinks that the previous owner was thinking of installing when he was planning to plumb the building.

>stole a building by divorcing a man
>probably only married him for money and goods in the first place

your mother is a whore

>>1242392
nah my dad is a shitter and forced the divorce so I'm calling it like a business transaction.

and if he wants to come back to her she'd take him back against either child's recommendation, or for that matter, good sense...

Get rid of the large door, other then that its fairly straight forward. You could live in it like that if your climate is temperate.

>>1242337
Your a loser degenerate that only got this place as a result of your mother being a whore. Suspend yourself by the neck from that hoist until your dead you fucking pervert.

>>1242409
>You could live in it like that if your climate is temperate.
nope.

and it has 2 large doors...

>>1242431
wow, someone seems to have issues...
and its not my place, I just have to deal with it and I'd rather not have it burned down.

>>1242409
hoping for temperate weather is a futile endeavor in this region, thats why I was interested in insulation and methods of cooling...

1) swamp coolers do not work in humid areas. Anything above 40% humidity and you'll just be adding humidity, not cooling. They're popular in Vegas and Arizona but non existent on the east coast
2) insulation is easy. You can buy it in sheets with paper backing and "wings" on the sides to staple to the beams if you wanted insulation but didn't want to add panelling or drywall on the ceiling.
2b) adding insulation to walls is even cheaper if you install drywall or paneling over it. Drywall is about $12 per 4'x8' sheet of half inch, 3/8 is around $9 a sheet. You don't need the paper backed style to hold it so you can use cheaper rolled without backing.
3) toilet is literally running a piece of 3" or 4" PVC pipe from the municipal sewer to wherever you can drill/cut a hole in the floor. That concrete floor will be the biggest issue. You can rent a jackhammer or just go full retard with a sledge hammer. Either way you have to patch it afterwards. Best bet to place toilet in corner closest to sewer line. Water line you can run through the wall instead of underground if you live in a mild climate without hard freezes.

>>1242447
>swamp coolers
noted, gonna have to deal on big fans for now

>insulation
really? its that easy?
I got community backing to help on the labor and if it really is that easy I might have more hands than I need to complete the work

>insulation 2
how does drywall fair in 100% relative humidity? its not gonna be exposed to actual rain, but it is super humid and we sometimes have some really truly absurdly thick fog. is there an inherent benefit to drywall over plywood?(is this a very stupid question?)

>plumbing
I'd be worried about damaging the foundation if I used a sledge, is the tie-in for plumbing really that easy?
>Water line you can run through the wall instead of underground if you live in a mild climate without hard freezes.
I'd worry about hitting it with the mower if its above-ground. and we only have 1 or 2 freezes a year and it never stays that cold for longer than a couple of days(and it only snows once every 20 years)

>EXTRA QUESTIONS
how would you insulate the roof?
there is a noticeable difference in this climate so I'd really like to insulate if I possibly can.

would cooling the building be easier or more difficult if I leave the main chamber with or without a ceiling?
or is it pointless to bother with a ceiling because of the overhead doors?

how best might I utilize the rafter-spaces not set aside for the hurricane shutters?

for better ideas, tips, and assistance from the board, what images or data might I provide?

>>1242326
installing drywall and insulation isn't that hard. you are going to have to frame out the roof more to provide screwing points if you don't want your drywall to sag. just put in as high R value batting as you can. i'd suggest doing it cathedral style instead of framing off the double top plate.

the real trick is finishing the drywall and making it look good. mudding and sanding takes time.

>plumb it
if it has a concrete slab you got some fuckin' diggin and concrete breakin' to do boy. you could just have a main drain that elbows into the ground off the pad, but that'd be just asking for a busted line and i'm pretty sure wouldn't pass inspection.

>>1242459
>installing drywall and insulation isn't that hard. you are going to have to frame out the roof more to provide screwing points if you don't want your drywall to sag.
what do you mean by frame it out more?
screwing points?[insert off color comments about romantic rendezvous locations]

>i'd suggest doing it cathedral style instead of framing off the double top plate.
cathedral style?

>the real trick is finishing the drywall and making it look good. mudding and sanding takes time.
or a lot of hands, which I actually might have for the project...and even then my mother might just want to help with that part...

>if it has a concrete slab you got some fuckin' diggin and concrete breakin' to do boy.
nothing I have not done before, and a family friend has an auto-trenching machine.

>you could just have a main drain that elbows into the ground off the pad, but that'd be just asking for a busted line and i'm pretty sure wouldn't pass inspection.
>inspection
is the plumbing something that needs to pass an inspection?
SHIT

>>1242462
plumbing of one of those things that you can get wrong easily and it stays wrong and makes things shitty for a long time. Cutting into the municipal sewage lines is not something you can do on your own and not something that would be cheap even with plumbing help.

Either abandon the plumbing or get more creative and make a grey-water processor out there in the pasture for a sink. sewage/blackwater treatment is harder.

>>1242464
>plumbing of one of those things that you can get wrong easily and it stays wrong and makes things shitty for a long time. Cutting into the municipal sewage lines is not something you can do on your own and not something that would be cheap even with plumbing help.
any idea on how expensive?
as a general and very rough estimate?
$500?
$2500?
$10k?

any alternatives you can think of that are simple and effective?

>>1242466
composting toilet in a ventilated closet, sink running into grey-water handling, easily done with a hole in the ground and some other stuff.

>>1242466
Probably 2500-5000, assuming you need a new trench and pipe to the municipal, and it's not too big of a lot.

>>1242858
>assuming you need a new trench and pipe to the municipal,
what if the trench is pre-dug?
cause I know a guy with a trencher machine...

>>1242832
>out-house+runoff sink
you say a composting toilet, does it actually produce usable compost(for gardening)?
cause my mother likes to keep a vegetable garden.

>>1242895
This is the part where you open a new tab on the program you are using to access the interconnected internetwork housing a vast portion of mankind's knowledge (especially the parts in english) and invest some time in research.

Anything worth doing is worth google-searching on your own.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=composting+toilet
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=humanure
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=grey+water+treatment

>>1242899
>google it faggot

yeah, but why do that and go hither and yon gathering data slowly when I could pose the question I want answered here for someone who already knows.

if the answer is yes or no tells me if I wan to do the rest of the research.

>>1242895
It depends on your plumber at that point.

>>1242900
Too many of these things become variables that no one wants to figure out in twenty-questions mode.

How much does plumbing work cost? It depends on the ground, on the city, the existing buildings, the plumber, etc.

What can you get from a composting toilet? It depends on how much you spend (if you get a manufactured unit) or how well you follow the protocols for the home-made hippy-bucket systems.

How big a hole are you willing to dig? How big a hole Can you dig in a good location? What is your experiences and comfort level with basic construction? what tools are available? what kind of help is available?

It depends. The only person who can find out every required factor for you in your place is.. you.
Here.
http://www.wikihow.com/Construct-a-Small-Septic-System

simplest plans I could find.
With very moderate toilet use, low flow, single person, no washing machines/dishwashers feeding in this setup would work for disposal. It is likely illegal, for no other reason than it would not be installed with permits. Even when they don't care about buildings you will find states/cities/counties care about water.

Use septic-safe TP, and use it sparingly, and stock up on very large amounts of eco-friendly & septic safe soaps for the washdown sink (having large stockpile will avoid going to store and grabbing something that will kill the tank and create a stinking sludge pit instead of a waste processor. eventually something bad will happen.

>>1242907
http://humanurehandbook.com/instructions.html

Humanure is more "gross" so some people hate it but properly done you are making some red-hot active compost that breaks down everything you throw in there along with the poop.

It is arguably totally legal anywhere.

Personally I would not rush to fertilize my veggies with the stuff. You have to give it a year at the least to finish cooking and get the human-effecting stuff out of there. There are books and whole communities around this stuff. If using this method I would stick to the "old fashioned" sink method, which is collecting the sink/dishwater into a bucket and using it to water a garden. Again, you need to be using bio-safe soaps. Pricier but you can spend some of the money saved on trenching to pay for it. Can't be bothered to carry it? A smaller version of the septic system pictured earlier, buried a little ways from the building, will handle grey water with some contamination of general murkiness easily. Put weed liner/plant bed liner down in a double layer over the pipes and bed everything in with lots of mulch to keep it loose. mostly bury a wooden or plastic box over the barrel/inlet end to make it easier to get back in there.

Water supply:
It's not too hard, but do you need it?
If you don't have a flush toilet and you are going to be sparing/careful with water use (because you will have to carry it out to the garden) You could just keep some jugs handy.
Collect rainwater into a large barrel on stilts/support and you can plumb right to your sink for non-potable use at the least (assuming you don't want to spend the time making/using a filter) and you can fill up a 5 gallon jug with drinking water to keep handy for those needs.

all right.
I'm going back out there today, what things do I need to look at/measure/get pictures of to start estimating what I'll need?

>>1244119

>>1242326
Why isn't a finished building called a built?

>>1242462
>lego_man_in_podracer.gif

really admiring that building OP
>>1245218
top kek i thought the same thing

>>1242326
It's nice to see you're going to destroy something you don't deserve anyway.

>>1242326
something to consider, in my county having plumbing designates a building as a dwelling and skyrockets insurance cost. Also there may be some zoning, inspections, and taxes to deal with. I avoided it all by never plumbing the cabin, legally it's considered a shed or garage despite having electricity, beds, climate control. It would be really nice to have water there though...

>>1245391
I'll put some research on it
or rather I'll ask my cousin the lawyer or my mothers neighbor the police man.

>>1245241
hardly destroying, at this rate I have a SHIT LOAD of things to clean up, clean out, and haul off first.

>>1245218
is this some kind of /diy/ meme?

>>1245235
thank you.
it was painted by my mother, my 6 year old self, and our pony Niño, many years ago

>>1242326
Ok motherfucker if you call a ditch witch a trenching machine one more time im gonna piss on your floor

>>1247227
I will call it whatever I choose so long as people understand the function of the machine I am naming....

tread-bump

>>1242337
>fetish safety and technical demonstrations
Pervert, or bait.
If bait 2/10, got me to respond.

>>1242337
>one of the uses I have for this building is fetish safety and technical demonstrations
This is either bait or OP is a pervert.
If bait, 2/10, got me to respond.

>>1249406
>>1249409
I am a fetishist and I do give technical and safety demos.

have you ever tried to swing a whip and accidentally hit yourself in the eyeball/face/dick?
I teach people how to NOT do that

you know how many places on the human body you have to be careful about hitting? even with a soft flogging tool?
I teach that

surface blood-vessels and big nerve bundles and stress positions of the human body?
I teach those and how not to cause permanent damage to/because them.


so yeah...pervert.
but a pervert with a sturdy building that needs work.

bampu

>teaching fetish saftey in mums backyard

closeknit family you got there anon

>>1250814
no, she's just really really okay with what I get up to.

and shes of the opinion that "the more of you guys practice safety the fewer of you I see at work". she's an ER and Post-Op nurse, and gets a bunch of people practicing unsafe fetishes in her care with related injuries...

>>1249717
All of this is common sense anon. Are you trying to say you're teaching people with mental disabilities ?

>>1251077
>common sense anon
not so common as you think.

>teaching people with mental disabilities ?
sometimes it feels that way, but then I grew up in a well educated household with medical and mechanical parents so to me all of it is known. but to the average newbie none of this is really "common" knowledge. some do research some prefer demos and Q&A sessions.

bumperino

bump

>>1242401

Son,

I never diddled you. I would shoot anyone who tried. I raised you to be a man. Stop being a faggot. You are acting like some newfag shill. I fucking CREATED 4chan to redpill you, and this is how you thank me?
I'm coming to get my building back. That kniving bitch tried to rob me, but I'll have the last laugh.

Yours truly,

Dad

>>1242329
> the asshole left behind in the building

Hey anon, he's your fucking father. You may curse him to your friends but dont go around spewing this shit on anonymous imageboard.

Wrote this as a father myself. I was going to comment on the project too but probably not gonna

>>1255058
>he's your fucking father
He tried to have my mother committed to an insane asylum(a career destroying thing for a Nurse). he siphoned money into accounts before the divorce so he wouldn't have to give up a full half of his shit. he made off with things which were hers before the marriage when he moved out(into the nicer of 2 houses). he left her in an old POS of a house in need or repairs to live in the house he "bought for the both of us to retire in"


>"in sickness and in health"
>"till death do you part"
"your mother is broken son, I cant stay anymore"
>[less than a year later at his next wedding]
>"in sickness and in health"
>"till death do us part"

man. I am salty as FUCK cause I've had to deal with the fallout from that.

I've had to replaces fence and gates and fascia-board, and roofing, and mow her lawn with a broken machine, chainsaw up fallen trees with a chainsaw I had to buy since he took hers.

blamp

>another cuckshed thread

jesus diy

>>1257124
are this kind of project common here?

Another alternative for the plumbing would be to build a small addition for that purpose. This allows you to completely avoid the issue of busting through the slab. If plumbing makes the building officially a dwelling, using a short breezeway to separate the two might allow you to skirt that rule.

>>1255058
>Wrote this as a father myself.
I'm going to guess that you're probably not an asshole, your dad probably did nothing that would warrant you calling him one and I doubt your children experienced anything that would warrant them calling you one.
But that doesn't apply to everyone.
There's a decent chunk of fathers that absolutely deserve to be called assholes anywhere. Like one of my best friends' dad ignored his family and his own finances for weed. He's an asshole.

It sounds like your dad completely failed you considering you have no skills and can't google. If the lawn mower is broken. You fix it. You are now the internets bastard step child. I`m guessing you have no money to fix your cuck shed up until your sadist training camp business takes off. So first stop that and get a job. You're going to need at least $1k if U.S. to establish your cuck shed.

>>1255071

The man sounds like an asshole but holy fuck can he build a shed. It may need improvements but god damn it looks well-built.

your parents are probably getting a divorce because their son is a creepy fetishist

>>1258979
>If the lawn mower is broken
did fix it

>I`m guessing you have no money to fix your cuck shed up
do have the money

>sadist training camp business takes off
not a buisiness, its a free service to local newbies

>So first stop that and get a job.
nobody will hire me.
a mechanical engineer graduate with no experience isn't something that just, gets a job, it's either "you're overqualified sorry" or "you dont have enough experience for the [entry level] position" so I do sledghammer demolition for a guy under the table, and before that I was a fabricator for an oilwell service company.

>You're going to need at least $1k if U.S. to establish your cuck shed.
approximate estimate noted. thank you for data of value.

>>1258947
I had not considered that, it may do the job.

>>1259002
about the only thing I've actually seen him do good is fabricate and construct. used to be a professional welder, got bored and does amateur carpentry now.
he's an engineer and plans shit out in CAD beforehand a lot I would not doubt if there was a good paper-plan or three for the shed before it even got started.

God damn this thread has been a train wreck right off the bat. Fetishist unemployed cuckshed engineer telling too much about his life's tragedies.

Rest of us move on in life

>>1242337
Let her go

>>1259535
let who go?

bamp

bump

>>1259523
>>Judges how questions are presented
>>mad about everything
You could probably use some lessons from this guy. I bet he'll hogtie you for a discount.

>>1242326
give it back jamal

Not sure where to post, but can anyone explain how to fix my walls? I removed chest high wood paneling and the glue made a lot of holes. I decided to scrap everything. Was this a mistake? Do I just need to spread sheetrock now or is there another step?

>>1264739
You need to put a top coat onto the drywall, that's all. Paint after that.

>>1264770
Top coat over the brown paper?

>>1255071
Pretty sad that it took a divorce for you to learn some man skills. What a bad son

>>1242326
Insulation: Grab cheap rolled insulation, cut to size and fit between.

Paneling: Considering your climate, fuck drywall. Panels. Cheap as fuck click-on type. Leave half inch for ventilation top and bottom, semi-cover with trim for aesthetics.

Plumbing: Rainwater collector setup with barrel on stand, pvc pipe through wall to sink. You are gonna bring something to drink in there anyway, its good enough for basic hygiene and rinsing.

Ceiling: Pre-painted sheet wood, add stenders (studs? not english native speaker) to screw them on to at more point. Leave area for rafters open, make art deco ladder out of scrap wood.

Paint: Consider repainting it, as soon as you insulate shed-style buildings you risk moisture problems, so.. maybe go white paint too cuz sun.

Roof: Don't know anything about roofs, but depending on the build, annd since it seems so overbuilt, I'd maybe just lay tiles to offset the heat. Not bath tiles, you know the sheet concrete things. (Here they just called roof stones).

About the loophole to have toilet in addition, that is common way to skirt the regs. Got some friends in the states that have used that method. Check with someone that has pulled it off in your county.

>>1264779
That is the paper that is part of the drywall, is it not? It looks like when you pulled off the wainscoting you pulled up the top layer of drywall paper. Either you work with what is on the wall or you replace it.

>>1242431
>thinks garage door opener is hoist...

>>1255058
Just because someone helped make you does not make them a good person. My dad was extremely abusive to everyone growing up. Fuck that guy. I learned my crafts through my shop teacher and my grandpa while that asshole screamed at how worthless i was.

Fuck you too for demanding things you have no knowledge of

>>1265612
>through my shop teacher
me too, and also the internet.
my high-school couldn't replace him when he aged out.
and also the internet.

>>1255058
I have a friend that was raped and impregnated (it was aborted) by her biological dad.

Should she respect him still purely because he fucked her mom?

>>1264934
If OP had half of a brain, he could just watch YouTube videos. The problem is, pulling permits and if the city/township/county will allow him to turn it into a habitable structure.

>>1266840
yup, but I find it better to ask more experienced people before doing the youtube thing. they might have suggestions for extra shit that itself will need more youtubing, or else have useful tips.

>>1268028
I agree.

Youtube will tell you what you want to know, but not what you dont know that you should know.

>>1268054
at least /diy/ has youtube-able things...

/tg/ actually doesn't for the most part
if I want to ask someone about a rules conflict I have no recourse but to ask my fellow neckbeards, or the official message boards.

>>1264934
Stenders.
That is all.
.jpg needed for epic meme

>>1264770
before the primer you might consider sanding any slight edges where the paper pulled off. those edges will show through the paint. if necessary use 1 coat of drywall mud (type that dries between 20 and 45 minutes)

>>1268054
Youtube is also full of idiots who do shit wrong and give poor advice in a million different ways. Even safety advice is abysmal on youtube.

>>1268094
whats the story on that?

>>1264739
You could skim coat a layer of drywall mud. Depends on foundation and settling of the house. I’d probably replace it, but more for my OCD.
OP
lots of trolls, but some good advice. I’m going to throw out a few ideas.
Insulation on roof —look into foam board insulation with construction adhesive. That metal roof is going to make that building hot, regardless. Think about vent fans. Storm shutters — you’re going to have to leave some access to the attic. Just make it appealing to the eye. Drywall vs plywood—add up square feet you want to cover. Drywall is less expensive. If you’re worried about moisture, get green board. It costs about one dollar more per sheet. Plumbing—don’t jackhammer anything. You can hire someone to do core drilling for drain and toilet. Or like someone said, composting toilet.
Good luck. I’ll check back in. Post more pictures after you decide how to go about it.

>>1250841
This thread is now an unsafe fetish injury thread. Post 3 stories or your shed will burn down

>>1269916
1.) girl thrashed so hard she tipped over the device she was chained to

2.) Hitachi induced orgasm powerful enough to induce muscle spasms, spasms that put her foot into my testicles

3.) caught someone in the face with the back-swing on a whip because they didn't respect personal space.

>>1268311
thus why I ask here.

>>1264920
you've got that confused. it's not ops fault.
its just the result of having a shitty father

>>1271473
Were those all your accidents? I meant fetish accidents your mother has told you about from working at the hospital. I imagine they will be funnier or more interesting

>>1242340
is that a black widow?

>>1264739
If the glue on the bottom is too messed up to skim coat easily, just cut the joint pull the sheets off the wall and flip them over. Rescrew and remud

>>1271539
>Were those all your accidents?
yup

having learned from them I now teach things like how to check stability in your equipment, as well as other safety procedures. experience teaches reasonably well.

>>1271540
yup.

>>1271794
Tell me more of the stories your mother has heard at the hospital relating to fetish accidents

>>1271846
>shattered mason jar in anus
>dick stuck in glass bottle
>"most interesting things extracted from an anus"

>>1271998
BS you just got those from a shock site 1man1jar

>>1272060
I don't live with her anymore, I don't get her stories. all I have is my own, and those of people I hang out with.

like when someone got aggressive with their fire-cupping and lit themselves on fire(grain alcohol fire)

or zapping someones pacemaker battery with a Violet Wand(ultra high voltage static electricity generrator) cause they didn't do the full safety disclosure thing before playing.

>>1272343

Anon this is your father. Please give me my tools back and don't hurt any of my spiders.

>>1275406
not how this works, you gave up the shed and its contents.

this means I will be gassing the spiders at the start of the project.

all of them except Lucy who will be placed in a jar and carried with me while I trigger the bug-bombs and left to stare at the building....