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I've got a pretty simple project but want some input here- I don't know masonry.

I'm trying to set up gymnastic rings.

Basically I want to suspend the ring straps from two hooks, which have two screw holes each, from a concrete ceiling. I've made sure the fixtures are well beyond the tolerances for the load, what it comes down to is the actual screws. I want to use four 1/4' diametre tapcons, which under ideal conditions should have shear/tension over a tonne each, and given the load is dynamic I figure I want tolerances to be 5 times greater than the load (me) roughly 160 lb = 800 lb.

How good are my odds that the concrete will hold? If it pulls out, will it bust the concrete around the drill hole or can I re-drill the same holes for sleeve bolts? I want to try tapcons first because this is a rental property..

>> No.1262585

I would personally use a sleeve anchor with epoxy. I would only trust a tapcon to hold it's rated weight when it's being installed horizontally. If in the future you need to remove the sleeve anchors, just grind them off and paint over.

>> No.1262591

>>1262585
>If in the future you need to remove the sleeve anchors, just grind them off and paint over.

I was thinking removing them and filling with epoxy, that works too.

If I try tapcons, and it fails, I can re drill for proper anchors?

>> No.1262594

>gymnastic rings
The amount of gymnasts on this board is fascinating.
Let's be real, we all know its a fetish thing OP.

>> No.1262595

>>1262591
Try the tapcons. I know they're commonly used for railings in multistory buildings.

>> No.1262596

>>1262567
And you will most definitely be able to re-use the drill holes for anchors, concrete doesn't crack that much at all

>> No.1262600

>>1262594
>Let's be real, we all know its a fetish thing OP.

desu that too.

>>1262596
thanks then I'll try that first. Drilling these 1/4s is hard enough.

>> No.1262643

Tapcons aren't going to hold up to vibrations/impacts very well. It's not really a question of will they hold or not, it's a question of how long they'll make it before failing. The last thing you want to happen is for one of them to let go while you're hanging upside-down and cracking your skull or breaking your neck.

Use sleeve/wedge anchors.

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1262645

vulture anon here should I post bondage furniture

>> No.1262653

>>1262567
thats not going to hold when you hang yourself

>> No.1262660

>>1262567
Rogue sells a ring hanging bracket. It's around $75.00 but its well worth it as you will have adjustability in your ring distance. Otherwise you will be drilling new holes every time you want to move your rings in-out.

This doesn't address your question, but i'm glad I went this route in my setup.

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>>1262660

>> No.1262664

>>1262645
Nice, I'm building a St. Andrews cross

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1262674

>>1262567
>what is a concrete anchor eye bolt

>> No.1262678

Yea right op, ain't going to help you build your gay sex swing so some black bull can jack hammer you while your boyfriend watches. Take a hike.

>>>/lgbt/

>> No.1262682

>>1262653
what is everyone's fasciation with hanging yourself?

disincorporation by high explosives would be instant and damn near a sure thing

>> No.1262700

>>1262594
hey man, the rules as written is one thing.
the spirit of the rules as intended(or so I was told) was to stop people from having +9001 small shitty sex-toy threads.

we have dick-farmers of Legend, we have the wild and wonderful world of 6-axis sex-robot guy, we have the paracord whip thread up at this very moment.

>>1262595
that does NOT inspire confidence
sure they'll take a guy leaning on a rail, but is that really anything like a live/swinging-load support?

>>1262643
there's the rub...

>>1262645
limit it to suspension hardware for now.

nice spanking bench, how do those recessed tie-outs hold?
I've been worried about using them and having to dig out the material weakening the piece.

>>1262653
probably depends on if he drops himself very far or simply kicks a chair

>>1262660
>>1262662
as a fellow *cough* gymnast, whats the single point load rating for one of those?

can you put more than 2 supporting points on a given rail?
is there an equivalent for a wood-frame ceiling?

>>1262664
crosses are boring, they've been done to death.

I got a break-down A-frame I can fit in a small sedan for bringing to parties. I might want to upholster or pad it some time, but I've never done that sort of work before.

>>1262678
other comments aside he may actually BE a gymnast.

regardless of whatever else he might be using it for

>>1262682
yeah, but crafting the explosives is a lot of work, stealing them is really hard, and even then if you don't know what you're doing you might just blow off your hand figuring it out.

that said, it IS instant and very effective...

>> No.1262703

>>1262674

Home, Sweet Home

>> No.1262710

buy a piece of U channel, bolt channel to ceiling at several places along length of channel. Figure out how to anchor your hickeydoo to the channel. Profit.

>> No.1262767

>>1262700
ring bracket guy here, I use it on a wood framed ceiling. I have it mounted with 3/8 lag bolts in two places. This thing is pretty solid. Don't know what the load rating it, it's probably on their website but it is not a chinky piece of shit.

It is a piece of exercise equipment sold for the purpose of a big muscle man hanging upside down on it.

So no matter how big the muscle man you are fucking is, this thing will hold him.

>> No.1262773

>>1262700
>paracord whip
How do those feel

>> No.1262843

>>1262773
on the giving end; like rough nylon instead of smooth leather.

on the receiving end; about the same as a leather one.

but they are fun and relaxing to make, and tend to be more colorful.

>> No.1262964

>>1262700
I'm the first guy you replied to, i didn't mean to insinuate it was against the rules, and frankly i don't mind, I just thought it was amusing that within the past few months I've seen at least 4 different "gymnasts" come here asking about this.
Again I'm fine with it, just found it humorous.

>> No.1262975

>>1262964
not intent on starting conflict just being anecdotal.

frankly, I wouldn't have thought of "gymnast" as a legitimate excuse for that kind of project. but then I actually AM a climbing instructor so there's my go-to.

>help me /diy/ I want to mount anchorable "climbing rocks" in my house

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>>1262567
Just drill a big hole, 1/2 inch, put a regular plug in and a couple of these bolts. You can hang your entire family from those hooks.

>> No.1263096

>>1262700

recessed works fine, I just drilled out the round spot for it and had to file out some area for the ring's hinges to rotate, so really you have to hollow out a tombstone shape.

>> No.1263402

>tfw you're both into BDSM stuff and fitness so you use your anchorings and power cage for both.

Well, honestly it's a nice feel.

>> No.1263587

>>1262567
>I'm trying to set up gymnastic rings.
sure thing, buddy

now post a full picture of your BDSM pegging swing, i'm curious

>> No.1263592

>>1262645

here's something else in another thread

>>1263365
>>1263369

>> No.1264055

>>1262567
are you trying to hang yourself?

>> No.1264193

>>1262674
looks comfy

>> No.1265718

>>1264055
no, if I understand the thread he's trying to set up a pair of anchors for a combination sex-swing and gymnastics rings set.

>> No.1265724

>>1262567
For fucks sake man, youve made like 15 threads about this. For the last time screw some ibolts into a rafter.

>> No.1265734

>>1262591
Not the person you are replying to, but I would suggest doing the epoxy first and not trying the tapcons. A) They will fail, probably right away, maybe after 2 weeks of fatigue/vibrating. B) You will probably injure yourself when it does fail. C) A thing of epoxy and a 1 day rental of a hammer drill (assuming you don't own one) is super cheap and easy to use.

>> No.1266623

>>1262567
>needs two hooks in a ceiling
>"its for gymnastics"

>> No.1266624

>>1262674
something tells me this is a prison cell for russian hackers. the gov catches them, crams them into this tiny cell, and makes them hack other countries for them all day long

>> No.1268019

>>1266624
>prison cell for russian hackers.
why do these people do that?
keep the hacker happy and he's more likely to do the job better.

>>1266623
hey, you gotta get around the letter of the board-rules somehow...

>> No.1268024

>>1265734
This, you're risking life and limb. Call up hilti

>> No.1268136

>>1268019
russians dont care about efficiency. if you dont want beat youll do a better job. look up videos on the russian gulags. they lasted about 50 years and killed over 10x the amount of people in the holocaust. those holocaust photos you see probably were made using bodies from the gulags.

>> No.1269582

>>1262567
>tapcons

enjoy your skull fracture.

>> No.1269585

>>1262567
But seriously, if you try to use tapcons for this you will absolutely 100% regret it all they way to and from the hospital. There is no way in this universe a couple of tapcons can handle that load. Maybe if you had a large plate with like 50 tapcons in it, but not two. No way.

>> No.1271471

>>1269585
>>1269582
are they that unreliable straight-pull?

how do they handle shear loads?

>> No.1271516

>>1271471
Read the specs on the box. You want to overspec by a pretty big margin for stuff like that. For instance, when it comes to fall arrest caribiners they have to be rated for a static load of 5000lbs and a shock load of 10000lbs, all to carry a guy that weights 200-300lbs with gear and all.

Tapcons aren't even a short drive from the ballpark you're looking for.

>> No.1271527

>>1271516
>for a static load of 5000lbs and a shock load of 10000lbs, all to carry a guy that weights 200-300lbs with gear and all.

At some point in your life you should learn at least a modicum of physics.

>> No.1271748

>>1271527
I'm just telling you about fall arrest equipment. If you don't like my province's regulations, write the government, asshole.

In all seriousness though, fuck off.

>> No.1271801

>>1271516
I didn't have the box to look at.
and I actually knew that about climbing. OP is a gymnast, but I'm a climbing instructor.

>>1271527
at some point you should do some learning yourself, engineering in your case. thats regulation standard minimum in a lot of places.

the carabiners in my teaching tower are rated for 27 Kilo-newtons(6000+ pounds force) and thats standard for the Boy Scouts.

combine that with the mechanical loss of strength through a knot of 35-65% based on the knot you tie and internal shearing forces in the rope

that 10000 pounds is also calculated to a certain percentage of stretch per unit length in a dynamic line, and 5000 static is sort of the benchmark. combine that with the loss of mechanical strength through a knot of 35-65% based on the knot you tie(and how well you tie it) and internal shearing forces in the rope as it passes through anchor-points, shear-blocks, itself, etc.

>>1271748
>my province's regulation
they are also the standards of the BSA

>province
Canada?
I never did climbs on ice or snow. it only snows about once every 20 years here. any fun shit to tell, horror stories, words of Eskimo wisdom??

>> No.1272049

>>1271801
>words of Eskimo wisdom??

>A good stanley thermos will keep your coffee/tea/soup hot all day, even in a drafty work trailer.

>the temperature rating on clothing is never as good as it claims, with just a couple of exceptions.

>The temp will freeze you slowly but the wind will hurt you quickly.

>During the warm month 80% of the populace forgets how to drive on ice. The first big snowfall is always accompanied by hundreds of traffic accidents.

>month was not a typo

>I live in Edmonton and I've only ever met one true and proper Eskimo. There's a lot fewer of them than people realize.

>> No.1272094

>>1262567

I think you'd be better off building some kind of overhead frame or something. Speaking as a stone mason I can tell you that those tapcons WILL fail, without question.

>> No.1273195

>>1262585
I thought that epoxy will crack concrete over time.
I would never do epoxy.
I would mount a square of ply with good quality anchors and maybe dab them in a little concrete.
The ply will spread the weight out over a larger surface area.
Sorry for not reading the whole thread to see if a similar answer has been posted

>> No.1273205

>>1262585
>>1262595

Don't use tapcons anon. They have a tendency to blow out when you're drilling either the pilot or the actual tapcon in. From your setup obviously this fucker is going to be moving a lot, go with a wedge anchor and epoxy like some other anons said.

>> No.1274115

>>1272049
from my perspective you're close enough to being an eskimo to count as one.

>> No.1274120

>>1274115
OMG, that's funny. Innuit come to Edmonton in January to warm up.

My uncle drives the diamond mine ice roads (no you haven't seem him on the tv show). I remember they were getting -60c (-76f) up there and he was in town walking around with his coat open at -30c (-22f).

It takes a while for someone from Edmonton to acclimatize to arctic weather.

>> No.1275471

>>1274120
see, a "cold" winter where I live dips into the 30s(ABOVE ZERO) for maybe a week at a time.

9-11 months out of the year we stay above 90.

and if you come down to my neck of the woods in the summertime unprepared you'd probably die. 100%+ relative humidity so sweat does less than nothing for you, winds blowing dusty grit all over, maybe 15 inches of precipitation of any kind all year.

and you have to get used to breathing part of your daily water ration with that humidity.

people joke about lazy mexicans because they don't live down here where you just stroke out and die without a break in the shade every so often.

>> No.1275892

>>1275471
Ya, hot weather kills me. Put me in work coveralls and a hard hat and my dying in 86f weather.