/diy/ - Do It Yourself

bumping for curiosity

Also, please, for the love of the mods who might ban you, do NOT discuss how to make poison.

Bumping and the like

For those who want a gathering method as primitive as the stuff you're gathering, here's a nice guide to make a seamless knife sheath: http://www.primitiveways.com/pt-knifesheath.html

There was a thread on this in /an/ about 4 months ago... might still be floating around page 6 or so.

>>105558
Nope, I checked. Would've been nice, though.

Shameless selfbump.

>>105558
haha, I lol'd :D

Just a friendly fyi, with scientific names the 2nd name is always lowercase.

eg Lactuca virosa

>>105674
Thanks, I took like a month of Latin before dropping the class.

I just got back from a walk. I harvested holly and white snowberries. Can't decide if I should make a powerful laxative and vomit mixture, or let the birds eat them.

>>105689
How about feeding the birds some of your laxatives?

>>105541
>pic related : nirnroot
FTFY

OP crafts Weak Potion of Healing. Bump for interest.

>>105701
OH I WISH.

>>105700
I boiled the berries together for 15 minutes and filtered them. Got this dark red-ish brown mixture now.

>>105705
Eat dat mixture to learn the effects.

>>105705
Can you recommend any literature on the subject?
I've always enjoyed being an alchemist on games like The Elder Scrolls series and I also really enjoy the satisfaction of growing my own things to later be used so this is oh so relevant to my interests!

>>105707
That is the longest and most poor;y structured sentence I've ever written, I do apologise.

>>105709

>>105707
There are so many books on the subject it's hard to recommend just one. But go to your local old book shop and ask there for books about healing herbs and such. Make sure it's serious literature and not something like "Handbook for Witches" which also includes weird rituals.
>>105709
>>105710
You sure you didn't inhale some of the fumes from my brew? It made me dizzy for a couple of minutes and can still feel it.

>>105707
Also
http://www.coolhemp.com/healingtrees/beaver/index.shtml

>>105713
I just found this, would you say it's any good?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wild-Flower-Key-Revised-identify/dp/0723251754/ref=reg_hu-rd_add_1_dp
The ratings say so but it's nice to have a second opinion.

Also, do you mind if I ask where you're from?

>>105715
Looks similar to my book, just an UK edition. Remember to cross-reference. I say go for it, but before you order ask your local library if they have it so you can see if it's any good.

And I'm from Denmark, Scandinavia. We have an abundance of Woundwort and Chamomile in our nature, so I consider myself lucky.

>>105717
You are lucky indeed.
Would I be able to obtain seeds to grow over here?
Or perhaps at least recreate the climate/environment to grow them in.
I think I may try and find a PDF of this book instead as I don't like the new library in town (it's all shiny and clean, I like musty old book shops with large wooden bookcases)

>>105720
If you by "over here" mean the UK, then I'm pretty sure you'll be able to find both plants in the nature. They're found all over Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidago_virgaurea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripleurospermum_inodorum

>>105722
Well that's good news.
How will I tell the difference between the Tripleurospermum inodorum and the common garden daisy we have here?!
They look exactly the same!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellis_perennis

Also, Weak Potion of Healing:

Wild Lettuce
Chamomile
Woundwort

Wild Lettuce is a mild sedative. Chamomile is mildy antiseptic. And Woundwort helps the healing process.

If you get a wound, clean it with water and apply the mixture. Wrap a piece of linen not too tight around it and give it rest.

I am so gonna make a batch of this and carry it around in a bottle like this one.

>>105724
That's where your flower book comes in. Look at the leaves, the details of the flower, the height of the plant, the number of flowers, the smell, etc.

After a while you learn to tell the difference easily. I can also tell you that the center of the flower you want looks a lot more like a round flower bud than the middle of a daisy.

>>105729
Oh I see.
You know I'm actually getting rather excited to start practicing this.
Seems like a worthwhile way to spend my time.
Plus chicks dig "alchemists".

>>105727
Also, mix it with alcohol (NOT denatured) to get the most effect from the plants and more antiseptic effect due to the alcohol.

>>105730
I'm sure chicks dig guys who rush to their aid if they're hurt, brings up their homemade healing potion, tend to their wound and actually make a noticeable difference more than they dig "alchemists". Just sayin'.

>>105732
That's exactly what I was getting at.
I want to be the green fingered hero!
Also, what sort of equipment do you need to extract, mix etc.

you're cool.
this thread is cool.
cool things all around.

>>105731
>NOT denatured
Is it meant for consumption? No? then you could use denaturated(as in, alcohol handwash, not industrial detergent alcohol)

If it meant for topical use on wounds? That's going to hurt like a metric fuckton.

Have you ever seen a professional doctor or nurse in a hospital enviroment clean a wound with alcohol?

>>105733
A knife, a mean of heating things and a still is what I'd recommend.
>>105739
I've had a bad encounter with denatured alcohol during a really long binge. After that I've sworn if off for anything but sanitizing around the house. Plus, if you can get pure alcohol, why not?

And yeah, it's supposed to be used like that. I didn't consider the pain. I could make a remedy with water instead, in case of girls and girly men.

Nifty webpage for glass jars and bottles sold for cheap in large amounts:
http://www.mcm-europe.fr/index.php?cPath=54

They only ship in Europe, though.

>>105748
I shall try and build my own still and such, another fun project!

>>105749
Those bottles look amazing.

Also here's some very appropriate music for this thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4nbfPZa9Ws

And a download link for those who like it
http://www.mediafire.com/?2czn0sjy5be
The names of the songs are brilliant.

When I have the money, I'll invest in a community garden. Setting up a greenhouse and a blacksmithing forge there would be so awesome. And of course growing my own herbs would be too.

>>105751
How mellow. :D

>>105765
Such a cheerful album.

The knives I use for gathering. The one on the left is an old one I bought in Greece some years ago. It's nifty because of the curve and the saw blade on the lower half of the blade. Plus, it's fold-able.

The one on the right is a medieval knife my father hand forged. Why I'm using it should be obvious.

>>105771
I prefer the one your father made, it looks awesome.

>>105773
Yeah. I always have it with me.

>>105787
Looks cool bro, I take it you made that sheath yourself.

>>105773
The knife laws in the UK seem to be almost identical to the ones in Denmark.

So please do me a favor and get this sweetie as your gathering tool:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bushcraft-Knife-Stunning-Damascus-Handmade/dp/B005XJX2D0/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&
amp;qid=1325093328&sr=8-4

>>105793
That is a sexy fucking knife!
Bit on the expensive side though.

>>105792
Yeah, out of hemp clothing. It's really durable.

>>105795
But oh so worth it.

Now, I suppose you're going to actually start doing this. What tools are you planning to use/buy?

>>105797
I'm still a little unsure but I was going to start a thread about building a still.
A source of heat isn't incredibly hard to come by.
Found a nice little mortar and pestle to use and I know of places to pick up certain fluids that I'd need.
I also have a nice big bit of my garden to plant a lot of things.
Anything I'm missing?

>>105801
You're better set than me.

And remedy bottles?

>>105802
Oh right, I really thought you were pretty much all set up.
I thought these would suffice for now http://www.amazon.co.uk/Inch-Test-Tubes-Tops-Tray/dp/B005ZQZ0UO/ref=wl_it_dp_o_npd?ie=UTF8&colii
d=IFHI8HCN2RQYS&colid=3VUOYLFZP7CFH

>>105804
I know it in theory, got it all planned out, but lack funds and summer.

And that's some awesome tubes. Not so authentic, but cheap and practical.

>>105804
Also: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bottles-Empty-Single-Size-50ml/dp/B004FTFXKY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1325
094696&sr=8-3

>>105806
I have no job so I lack funds to but I find ways to pay for things like selling stuff or doing little jobs from time to time.
I'm going to be a security guard soon though so I'll probably set myself up properly then but for now everything will have to be diy.
>>105809
I like the look of them ones but did you see that shipping?
Oh and do you have Skype? We could keep each other updated if you want.

>>105811
Ouch, that's some shipping. Might be worth it if bought in large quantities. And nice, security guard sounds like an interesting job.

And I rarely use anything else than email and 4chan to keep in contact with people. One of the reasons I'm finding this interesting is because I like the good old ways of doing things. But sure, post your email and I'll write. :)

>>105813
Tis in the e-mail field.
How many hours ahead/behind English time are you?

>>105816
GMT+1

>>105823
Ah that's good.
I won't have to wait up til the early ours to speak haha.
Did you take down my e-mail?
I'm going to delete that post.

>>105824
I certainly did.

>>105826
Thanks, I sent you a message.

>>105832
Hotmail seems to be playing up, have you received my message?

>>105842
Yep, I also mailed you back.

>>105847
Well it seems as though my hotmail is definitely fucked, I'll email you another address to contact me on.

I theorize that it might be easier to gather the herbs for the different mixtures and keep them as a dried powder, ready to be mixed with water, oil or alcohol. This way you might be able to preserve it better, and it might take up less space.

Interesting as I was thinking a letting my curiousity get the best of me in this subject. Definitely interested in learning more about Phytology. Aside from google, where did you get started down this path OP?

>>105915
Curing a cold in 2 days by drinking chamomile tea with honey. No other synthetic drug had done the same to me. That made me think and research. I found out that there's a scientific reason behind it, and that there's a fuckton of plants with medical benefits that are ignored by the general population. I find that disturbing.

>>105793
Can I recommend a mushroom harvesting knife?
They have a little brush on the handle, like this...
http://www.casstrom.co.uk/Mushroom-Picking-Knife
(you can get them wayyyy cheaper than this)

>>105925
That's pretty ideal. Nice.

bump

*jizz*

>>105972
I have the weirdest boner right now.

so does this hobby serves a higher purpose than doing something resting can fix? im seriously asking here, can i do cool stuff like turn shit into a pill to cure fever? like real medicine?

also, can i use a chemestry set as a lab? what is like, the coolest thing i could make?

>>105986
Research man.

>>105986
I've not read over this thread and generally don't care much for this sort of thing as there's not enough research to back up quite a bit of it to satisfy me, but realize that many drugs are just synthetic copies of some naturally occurring compound (some are massive improvements, some aren't, etc.). The reason you don't see naturally based drugs is simple: money.

See you cannot patent anything that's naturally occurring, but you still have to do all of the research/studies/testing to get it FDA approved. Thus you've no way to protect that investment so it's in drug companies best interests to not even bother with it.

But willow bark is the source of the wonderdrug aspirin.

>>105986
You know how your mom (pun not intended) gave you chamomile tea with honey when you were sick as a kid? There's a reason for that, and that's because chamomile is antiseptic and somewhat sedating, while honey is antiseptic and antibacterial.

It's basically to take these effects from the plants, concentrate it, and use it where it can help. Remember, we humans have used plants as medicine for thousands of years. A caveman couldn't just pop an aspirin. Instead, he could drink a cup with pulverized Willow bark, and his headache would go away for some hours. So yeah, like real medicine, though it might not work as well or as fast, and you can't cure everything with plants.

And yeah, you can. And define "cool". If you mean the kind of "hirh hirh teenage cool lol" stuff, then it would be stuff I''m not allowed to talk about on this board, and which I due to moral reasons never would tell anyone to make.

I hope that answered your question.

This is Solidago virgaurea. Harvest the flowers and leaves, dry them, mortar and pestle them, and apply to wounds. It will aid the healing.

It's also fairly common everywhere with a temperate climate, as far as I know. Just don't harvest from roadsides, as plants there will contain a lot of heavy metals such as lead from the exhaust fumes.

I have been getting into this myself OP.

I am expanding my nursery business this year to include healing herbs.

The real masters of healing though are various types of mushrooms. Cancer, diabetes, depression. Their uses run the gambit.

I have several types of Oyster at the moment. As well as Reishi and Shitake. I am currently looking for a supplier for Cordyceps the wild form of which goes for five hundred dollars an ounce but is believed to cure even advanced cancer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoJ2TgNdFh8

"Herbal medicine has been around for thousands of years. Then we tested it and the stuff that worked became medicine and the rest is a nice bowl of soup and some potpourri."

-Dara O'Briain

Do not underestimate the versatility of Dandelions, OP.

They can be eaten in salads, their sap can be used to help cure warts, you can make tea out of them, and so much more.

>>105986
Yes yes and yes. What do you think people used for medicine before tylonol and shit?

I know for a fact willow bark tea helps alleviate arthritis pain just as much as advil does. In fact, I knew an old dog that would go out and chew on the willow tree in his backyard during winter, because of this fact.

>>106357
Gambit? Not gamut?
Just a minor nitpick. Maybe you really did mean gambit.

>>105730
>>105732

If I was a girl and a guy came up to me with a "homemade healing potion" after I was hurt, I'd be a little suspicious.

i approve of this thread. myself and a friend have been testing various essential oils and inhibitors in an attempt to amplify the effects of certain drugs.

Good morning everyone.

Found a recipe for a cold cream yesterday that have been around since the ancient Greeks.

25g of beeswax
100g of almond oil (replace with oil of choice)

75g of rosewater (replace with water solution of choice)

Melt the wax and oil over low heat (max. 70 degrees Celsius) while heating the water (max. 80 degrees Celsius) Remove both pots from the stove and mix the 2 substances together almost drop by drop while stirring it good. Keep stirring while it cools till it's shiny and creamy. This'll take about 10-20 minutes. Now you can add herb oils and/or tinctures to the cream.

NEVER rapidly cool a cream, since it will cause it to not mix.

"Plantago species have been used since prehistoric times as herbal remedies. The herb is astringent, anti-toxic, antimicrobial, anti-inflammatory, anti-histamine, as well as demulcent, expectorant, styptic and diuretic. Externally, a poultice of the leaves is useful for insect bites, poison-ivy rashes, minor sores, and boils. In folklore it is even claimed to be able to cure snakebite. Internally, it is used for coughs and bronchitis, as a tea, tincture, or syrup."

This plant is literally EVERYWHERE where I live. Holy shit.

>>106446
see this is what makes me leery of plant and herbal remedies. none of these uses are specific- every fuckin plant is good for curing every fuckin ailment.

give me something I can believe works for some thing, not tell me eveery damn plant is good for eight hundred things.

>>106452
You're too adapted to your synthetic medicine, my friend.

Basically what they do is to take the useful stuff from plants like these and separate them so people like you can take a pill and be sure it only heal what you want it to and nothing else.

>>106456

Well, he has a point. Why would you want to "heal" something which doesn't need it?

>>106483
If there's no harm to it, why not? And if it turns out that you had something you didn't know that was cured by the plant, it'd be better.

>>106357
Don't be fucking stupid. Magic shrooms won't heal cancer. Proper nutrition-intake will make you must sturdier on the other hand. Look up paleolithic diet.

>>106452
Hello, Pharmacist here.

Yeah, those wikipedia shit about plants say they cure everything. Just get a good book about Phytotherapy and all that crap will turn into plant - related injuries.

Chamomilla is just used for antibacterium purposes, because that was comprovated working in double-blind tests.

Let me put some good plants around here, so you guys can search around where you live:
Hypericum perforatum -> Antidepressive (im working in a research with white lab Rats wistar and this plant to see if it have any benefit to Parkinson desease pacients)
Ephedra sinica -> Energetic, acts like ephedrine, good for making exercizes but take low doses (5mg-10mg) because it makes your hearth bumps

>>106577
Btw if you guys want anything else just ask. And english is not my native language, so sorry if im sucking.

Salix alba -> Pain reliever, its basically the same shit as an aspirin (S.alba is salicilic acid and aspirin is acetil salicilic acid)

>>106577
>>106578
Just dump whatever you think would be useful dear pharmacist. Share the knowledge with us.

A few days ago I made a folder in which I save threads that seem useful for self sufficient living. I am saving this thread

Honey is a natural disinfectant. People often used it much the same way we use neosporin today. It makes sense, really. Bees had to evolve some way to stop their food from going bad, and growing mold or anything.

>>106595
Yeah but the problem is: you cant concentrate honey, theres lots of lots of sugar there, so you will end up fat or with a diabetes II before you get cured of an infection.

>>106591
Okay, i just went upstairs to get a book to practical stuff, wrote by Dr. Paulo Victor Farago if you anyone wants to search up, he was my teacher 3 years ago.

So let me write the best ways to do plant medicines:
Extract and powder.
Extract is made by grinding the plant (in natura) and putting it in a jar or bottle with alcohool for 6-12h. After that, pass it through a linnen or wool cloth and its made. To drink it add water or let it dry and get a nasty pasta-like substance.
Extracted plants are called essences and LOSE some good volatile substances.

Powder -> Let the in-natura plant dry at open air (just put paper or some cloths around it so bugs and other shit dont come) for around 7 days. Grind the dried plant. You can encapsulate it or just spur around in the food.

Extracts are better for drinking (diluted in a lot of water of course) or incorporated in the cold cream or friend above explained.
Powered shit is, of course, eaten.

If you find something called an HEROIC PLANT or HEROIC DRUG, it means its extract can only be used at maximum 10%, because they can be potentially toxic (like Digitalis purpurea, a cardiotonic plant).

Panax ginseng -> A muscular body tonic,used by the chinese monks for centurys, its told that what makes their life spam (80+) so long.

>>106608
A few years ago I wanted try ginseng to see what's all the fuss about. I googled it and read on wikipedia that it's an "adaptogen". How can this be possible? How can someone say
"An adaptogenic substance is one that demonstrates a nonspecific enhancement of the body's ability to resist a stressor" ?

>>106608
I never said it would CURE you. I said it was used like neosporin, as in if you have a cut, smear some honey on it, and it PREVENTS an infection.

Remember, people didn't really have soap and such back then, so something like honey was a god send, even if packed with honey and not as effective as today.

>>106622
Derp, I meant
>even if packed with sugar

>>106614
Lots and lots of articles about it, but TL DR, nobody knows yet how it works, it just does.
In a double-blind test it does demonstrate to work, but they still cant find how. There is a lot of antioxidant stuff in ginseng, so it should start from there.

But anyways, its good and the roots looks like little homunculus, wich is cool already.

Whoo, an actual pharmacist in my thread!

Question: Can powdered herbs meant for topical use be added to a finished cold cream and thereby transfer the effect?

>>106608
As an Actual pharm student
WHY THE FUCK are you not pointing out how pointless and shitty this thread is?

If you're actually interested go buy a copy of the BritishPharmacopoeia or EurPharmacopoeia and another book on pharmacognosy.

Prepare to make REAL medicines and not Bullshit from the middle ages

>>106657
Only if its resin-like.

>>106662
This bullshit from the middle ages is called Phytotherapy, and i bet my balls you are in the first or second year of college, you will learn about it in 4th or 5th.
From the wikipedia: Phytotherapy is the study of the use of extracts from natural origin as medicines or health-promoting agents.

Traditional phytotherapy is often used as synonym for herbalism and regarded as "alternative medicine" by much of Western medicine, although effects of many substances found in plants have scientific evidence.

Modern phytotherapy when critically conducted, can be considered the scientific study on the effects and clinical use of herbal medicines.

And yeah, you will do a lot of pills and you will get a lot of money of powdered plants, specially caffeine ones. And the EurPharmacopea costs around 900-1k dollars, not to shabby.

>>106662
He makes a good point. I've got the book here with me. I'll dump anything useful on here.

>>106668
I'm not saying they're completely useless, I'm saying they're incredibly outdated.

Dodgy tonics of unpurified extracts doesn't sound like medicine. It's more like what alchemy is to chemistry then a proper remedy system.

Modern Phytotherapy is better known as TEETH - Tried Everything Else, Try Herbal.

p.s. Citing wiki for even a simple definition lowers your credibility too.
p.p.s It's also a fitness to practice issue to be reccomending self diagnosis and preparing ones own medicines.

>>106676
Self diagnosis? Not on 4chan!

I just happened to read the Home Remedy section of Foxfire book 1 and thought of this thread... There are torrents of it out there if you'd like to have a look.

>>106676
Reasons I'd rather use herbal medicine than synthetic:
>I know what I'm putting in my mouth/on my skin
>It's free and open source
>It isn't distributed by people who make money off other peoples sickness

Reasons I'd rather use synthetic medicine than herbal:
>if I have a serious illness or wound that needs proper treatment
>if a plant to cure a minor illness can't be found
>I'm at work and can't find willow bark

Also, by your logic, books shouldn't be used and we should only read on Kindles and laptops, because, you know, compared to computers and the like, books are incredibly outdated. Even though they offer the same.

>>106816

The "I know what's in it" argument does not apply past the level of "this is a dandelion", which is superficial as fuck. Chemically, you're just as clueless about the contents of that dandelion as you are about the contents of a pharmaceutical. The difference is, the pharmaceutical is tested with insane thoroughness by people with fancy college degrees.

>>106816

>It isn't distributed by people who make money off other peoples sickness

Furthermore, this is not a point. This is just the "I'm not saying anything, I'm just a guy asking questions!" fallacy used by conspiracy theorists.

Fully agree about the 'it's free' bit, though.

>>106515

You seem to believe that plants contain some kind of magical disease removing agents. Kinda like friendly mechanics who check your body and fix what's needed. This is just superstition.

>>106816
>I know what I'm putting in my mouth/on my skin

Plants contain insane number of different chemicals. Their concentrations can vary wildly and depending on environment, some chemicals might be present or not. When you mix various plants, the interactions between the chemicals can be difficult to predict. It's very likely that you don't actually know what you're putting in your mouth - you only think you know.

>>106834
actually, it's infinitely less true of plant derived products that someone has grown than lab produced meds. You're given a nice little sheet with every single substance that's in that pill/shot/liquid/whatever, right down to the inert binders. With the internet, you can figure out exactly how each of those chemicals affects your body.

With plants, guess what, there's all kinds of shit that they can pick up from the soil and air. You don't know that some dude dropped a bunch of lead sinkers a few meters away that have been being picked up by every plant in that vicinity or insert many, many other chemicals as well.

>>106816
What you seem to not understand and/or confound with misguided moralistic overtones (even though the greedy-as-fuck drug researching giants have saved countless lives that absolutely could not have been saved through naturalistic means) is that for the VAST majority of illnesses and ailments, you cannot beat the efficiency and efficacy of synthetic medications.

Oh, and keep taking willow bark and have fun with those ulcers you'll develop (might want to look up why Bufferin is called "bufferin").

Is this saying that there's no place for it? No, of course not, but for the most part you either might as well not bother or get the real deal.

Herbalist status:

[X] Told
[_] Not Told

This was a fun thread.

>>106595
>>106577


snake oil here, yeah see that kind of use means more- and no, it is not a "synthetic medicine prejudice" to expect something to have one or two purposes instead of being some kind of magical cure-all.

narrow down what the things are actually good for, instead of telling me it cures blindness, ulcers, skin problems (vague as fuck) AND baby colic...

seriously, tell me the main use the plant has.

I think herbal stuff can work- and do want to learn more and include these in my garden- but I'm not growing some kind of fucking magical "cures everything" bean.


I like these specific uses for each plant, tell me more of this.

>>107024


And I also think western, synthetic medicine is definitely more effective.


HOWEVER being a US citizen who is selfemployed means I DO NOT HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE

welcome to the stone age, fuckers. bring on the dandy lions to replace my fucking schizo meds, thanks so much

>>107026
well, your ass is about to be breaking the law if you don't change that.

Also realize that realistically most uses for herbal and naturalistic remedies would have you in the realm of OTC medication and not prescription meds.

>>107031
Most "herbal and naturalistic remedies" don't work at all. Those that do have one use are often marketed for many other uses for which they are ineffectual. If you get an herb that does work for your problem, the effects are usually mild, but not always. St. John's Wort, for instance, requires a prescription in the EU, whereas in the US they're sold OTC.

OP is there some small guide on the internet to help me start off?
I'm really interested, but I don't know where to start.
anything special in the Rocky Mountain region?

>>107093
They should be prescription in the US with as many adverse interactions they've got with tons of other common medicines.

It's a fucking hobby where people want something fun and interesting to do. Be it gardening plants that have more than a superficial use, or something to do while hiking.

What the fuck is wrong with all you asspained people in this thread? Since when did any of us do more than say, "Plant A can do this and this."?

Point out a single post where any anon claims they use herbal medicine only, or where they advocate herbal medicine as a replacement for modern medicine?

What the fuck is wrong with you guys, this thread is no less lighthearted than the light bulb terrarium thread.

Quit ruining people's fun and attempts to learn more about the world around us.

>>107289
Umm, herbalist did attempt to claim it was better.

>>107294
No, all they claimed was that since you made it yourself, you know what's going into it. That's all.

>>107265
Someone earlier in the thread suggested the Foxfire books - they've got a decent reference of herbal medicine. Granted, it comes from Appalachian lore, but I'm sure much of it can be found in the Rockies as well.

Good morning everyone.

Thanks to the people defending me. I deal with this stuff in person almost every week, since my sisters boyfriend is a doctor and doesn't believe in anything that isn't written in his books or told by a professor.

And yes, herbal medicine is a matter of opinion. But that doesn't mean it won't work for headaches, minor wounds, skin irritation and other minor stuff. HOWEVER, any student of phytology should never recommend it instead of synthetic medicine. You can offer it and let people decide for themselves if they want to use it or not. On top of that, a student of phytology should never claim that it is better than synthetic medicine.

But again, that's just an opinion of mine. You can argue against it if you want to keep on hating. But there's a sentence I like to live by that I think you should consider:
"If you like it, compliment it. If you don't, keep your mouth shut or you might end up hurting people. But if it's directly against your moral principles and general humanity, fight against it with all your might."

>>107426
I want to know which plant to grow if I get migraines. I have other medicine for this that I can get if it gets bad enough to need another doctor visits- I'm the uninsured one from earlier

I know some of this stuff works, but which plant will be best for what- this is impossible to find out when every damn plant cures every damn thing...

here, I know the stuff works to some extent.

what is good to grow for:
migraines
cramps
insomnia
infections (as a supplement to antibiotics, or a first attempt before getting them)
and tiredness?

I would like to know what to grow, and then research how to use the plant. being told that one plant cures all those...well, ok then. it's a magic bean, not an actual treatment at that point

I am really enjoying the actual information in this thread- and I would love more of that please

>>107426
> I like to live by that I think you should consider:

The funny thing is that IMO most of the "haters" did exactly what you recommended. The point is that significant part of the herbalist literature is outdated bullshit. The oft-repeated idea that the herbal remedies are unconditionally safe and/or beneficial is also bullshit. The idea of using "mild" treatments is often flawed. This all is important, since you're going to give your preparations to the other people, claiming that they're beneficial. It would be a different matter if you poisoned just yourself.

So, instead of becoming yet another faggot believing in centuries old bullshit, I'd like you to base your preparations on verifiable research and consider the possible side-effects and compatibility with other medications. Simple. That approach would probably calm your sister's bf down quite a bit, too.

>>107289

Which is a completely fallacious claim, as we've pointed out.

>>107426

>herbal medicine is a matter of opinion

Medicine should never be a matter of opinion.

I actually deeply respect your drive and thirst for plant knowledge. The kind of stuff you learn sounds really fun. But please, please, don't hurt yourself or anyone else while having your fun. People do die from ingesting wild-harvested plants every year, although granted, they're probably not identifying them nearly as carefully as you are.

Still, be careful, man.

>>107477
That's the whole freaking point of phytology; herbal medicine which have undergone scientific research and blind testing.

See >>105541
"Phytology (coming from "Phyto", Greek for "plant") is the knowledge about medicinal plants and how to prepare and use them. The distinctiveness of phytology is that it use the scientific way of approach when it comes to if it works or not, with blind tests, control groups and the like. Just like regular medicine, except you can find it in the nature. For free."

>>107531

You seem to think that big words make it science. That only works in Alabama and Louisiana.

"But... that's Greek! They were so fucking wise!"

>>107531
> That's the whole freaking point of phytology; herbal medicine which have undergone scientific research and blind testing.

I have nothing against that. As long as the OP stays on the scientific side, I have nothing against him either and try to help him if I can. The thing is that significant part of the available easy-to-get literature is full of old bullshit where every plant helps with pretty much everything. It looks like the OP has such bullshit books.

Also, your (and OP's) definition for that word is wrong. You know, that -logy part doesn't refer to medicine or treatment.

>herbalism
>blind testing

That's it. I'm gonna go enjoy my new hobby and not bother you guys with this ever again.