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Anonymous Wed Jul 22 05:57:00 2015 No.6704245 [Reply] [Original]

At what point did coffee become a fashion accessory?
Most people who drink it load it down with so much sugar and creamer that they might as well be drinking soda.
These people are the same people who guzzle down 1/2 liter containers of caffeine juice like it's nothing.
Nuance and taste is entirely lost on them, their entire concept of coffee is cheapened to a petty caffeine fix.
Then you have your fellapuchino babbies who only enjoy the idea of drinking coffee but would never drink anything that isn't a sickly sweet coffee flavored milkshake.

Even people who portray themselves as coffee purists, dabbling in home-brewing, home-grinding, home-roasting, etc, only bother with it because it makes them feel like a part of something larger, like they're one with a faceless community of coffee connoisseurs.
These people are attempting to fit into a lifestyle image that's reminiscent of other internet communities, like double-edge wet shaving and mechanical watch enthusiasts, all of which get their smug satisfaction from doing things "the old fashioned way".

Coffee is a meme.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 06:00:43 2015 No.6704251 How meme of you, what a meme post.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 06:01:24 2015 No.6704253 All coffee is shit. I'm sorry. Doesn't matter if it's sweet, bitter, home-brewed, Japanese, Marsian or whatever. It's shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 06:02:49 2015 No.6704256 tl;dr - I'm a fully transcended hipster

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 06:03:57 2015 No.6704258 >>6704253 >t. 14 year old

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 06:04:39 2015 No.6704259 >people do things because it's popular to do those things Thanks for the news OP

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 06:05:39 2015 No.6704262 >>6704245 >Coffee is a meme Duh, why would anyone force themselves to learn to enjoy something shitty and bitter unless they thought it made them look smart or tough to drink the tea of beans roasted Arabic style

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 06:13:37 2015 No.6704274 >>6704245 b-but i gotta have my morning fix my morning cup of joe gotta start the day right with a cup need my caramel whipped cream sugar mix before i start my day im sorry, but i prefer people who smoke over coffee drinkers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 06:14:19 2015 No.6704278 >>6704258 tips fedora

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 06:15:38 2015 No.6704284 Coffee has pretty much always been trendy. Plus, it's the most socially acceptable way for adults to get their caffeine fix.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 06:16:05 2015 No.6704286 >>6704245 I used to think stuff like that when I was 19, too. It's ok; in time you may start to find human behavior endearing.

Anonymous Wed Jul 22 06:16:54 2015 No.6704288

>>6704262
drinking tea instead of coffe sounds great for me but there are so many strains and kinds of tea with different effects that all seem pretty expensive and complicated and hard to find in eastern europe, i have no idea what or how to drink so i'll just stick to my coffe.....illy ain't bad and i get it for free at work

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 06:18:38 2015 No.6704290 >>6704245 >At what point did coffee become a fashion accessory? Roughly the mid 17th century when coffee was first introduced to Europe.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 06:20:16 2015 No.6704293 >>6704245 > coffee is too mainstream the post.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 06:23:51 2015 No.6704303 (You) (You) (You) (You) (You) >>6704245 (You) (You) (You) (You) You earned it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 07:05:17 2015 No.6704361 File: 9 KB, 200x200, 1401826375340.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i just brew for maximum caffeine and abuse it

Anonymous Wed Jul 22 07:12:35 2015 No.6704368
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People have been drinking coffee in the am since frontier times and before then.

Starbucks had the genius idea of charging over the odds for a fashionable logo on a cup that insisted a certain status.

They then understood that most of the dopes who buy Starbucks for the logo dont drink or care about real coffee, and they started serving deserts with a shot of espresso in them.

This led to the mass consumption.

Anonymous Wed Jul 22 07:24:27 2015 No.6704393

>>6704368
>This led to the mass consumption.
*in America.

The rest of the world were drinking coffee en masse long before StarBucks was even thought of.

I don't mean to trigger an intercontinental baitfest but seeing Americans talk about their country as though it's the only country that exists is just sad. You have a global audience, dude.

Double sage.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 07:32:02 2015 No.6704401 >>6704393 I'm a bong, and I was talking about the west exclusively OP was also discussing it as a western phenomena and not a global epidemic get off of your high horse, pal Triple sage.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 08:02:32 2015 No.6704444 >>6704401 > a European country didn't start drinking coffee until Starbucks sure thing, pal. sage emporium.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 08:05:13 2015 No.6704450 >>6704444 youre putting words in my mouth you stupid fuck confirmed for superiority complex

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 08:10:49 2015 No.6704462 >>6704450 > Starbucks is an accurate representation of western society 2001: A Sage Oddysey

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 13:10:50 2015 No.6704996 >>6704253 >he's never had expensive coffee before I'm talking about $100 a kilogram.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 13:22:40 2015 No.6705015 >>6704245 While those people surely exist, you're a huge faggot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 13:45:56 2015 No.6705062 Am I weird for actually liking the taste of black coffee the first time I drank it? I just want something hot to drink in the morning, and coffee is cheap, and easily available, as well as conveniently tasty and full of caffeine.

Anonymous Wed Jul 22 14:01:34 2015 No.6705096

>>6704245
>At what point did coffee become a fashion accessory?
When it was first popularized in Europe coffee houses were fashionable places.
>Most people who drink it load it down with so much sugar and creamer that they might as well be drinking soda.
Cream and sugar have been the standard in America for generations. Yes, the giant coffee milkshake thing is of more recent vintage, but your grandparents drank shitty perk coffee loaded with cream and sugar.
>Coffee is a meme.
I'll grant you that, but in Western culture it's a meme that's several centuries old.

Anonymous Wed Jul 22 14:01:57 2015 No.6705097

People have been overroasting and burning coffee for centuries. People have also been particular about their coffee for centuries. Starbucks and Keurig may have made it more popular to drink shit coffee but there have always been cowboys running burnt ass coffee grounds through their dirty socks. It wakes people up and tastes good even if it's not prepared perfectly.You aren't special.

Anonymous Wed Jul 22 14:02:06 2015 No.6705100

>>6704245

There is nothing wrong with drinking coffee, but you make a good point, coffee has become a fashion accessory and somewhat of a necessity for people to fit in, these days you see little girls no more than 10 walk around with starbucks cups acting like they enjoy coffee, it's just the time we live in... If you don't have a facebook,shitter,iphone and don't drink starbucks and eat chipotle you're basically an outcast.

Anonymous Wed Jul 22 14:17:51 2015 No.6705137

>Even people who portray themselves as coffee purists, dabbling in home-brewing, home-grinding, home-roasting, etc, only bother with it because it makes them feel like a part of something larger, like they're one with a faceless community of coffee connoisseurs.
You could literally make this argument about any activity ever.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 14:33:09 2015 No.6705171 >>6705062 >be me >have a nespresso >too cheap jew mode to buy sugar or cream >start drinking highest intensity coffees black >love it Only babbs can't drink black

Anonymous Wed Jul 22 14:46:50 2015 No.6705228

i quite happily drink coffee in any form. i just really like the taste of coffee.

>Even people who portray themselves as coffee purists, dabbling in home-brewing, home-grinding, home-roasting, etc, only bother with it because it makes them feel like a part of something larger

acquiring knowledge in something popular is fun. you still come out of the process with knowledge and appreciation so i don't see what could possibly be wrong with it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 14:48:46 2015 No.6705234 File: 24 KB, 250x166, coffee.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6704245 >At what point did coffee become a fashion accessory? Fashionable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 14:48:53 2015 No.6705236 >>6705228 Enjoying things is both pretentious and snobbish, you filthy yuppie. You should hate being alive like the rest of us!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 14:49:12 2015 No.6705240 >>6705228 >acquiring knowledge in something popular is fun This. If you have the time, inclination and disposable income connoisseurship can be a fun rabbit hole to go down.

Anonymous Wed Jul 22 14:51:10 2015 No.6705251
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>>6705171
>>6705062

>Sugar and creamer? Ah no thank you. You see I drink my coffee black. I'm sort of like Clint Eastwood in Unforgiven. The tough cowboy type. Would you care to ask me how frequently I use sugar or creamer? Well go ahead, I've got time. Ask me. ... Glad you asked.

>Short answer: none.

>Disciplined answer: Haven't touched it in months. Probably old by now. I'm actually going through a lawsuit to get my local grocery store to reduce their sugar and creamer inventory. It's going well. I can't stand sugarlets or creamlets. Actually cut all of my old friends off who use. Why go through all of this trouble you ask? 3 words. 2 concepts. Discipline. Mental toughness. This is why friend. This is why.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 14:56:01 2015 No.6705273 >>6705251 I drink my coffee for the thermogenic effects :)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 15:00:03 2015 No.6705281 >>6705062 no you aren't weird, nor are you special. do you know why people ask you if you want your coffee black or white? why the term 'black coffee' even exists? it's because people fucking drink black coffee you stupid cunt.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 15:08:31 2015 No.6705302 >>6704245 it's not a fashion accessory. most people are probably addicted. i know multiple people who need coffee or tea every day or they get headaches.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 15:12:22 2015 No.6705318 >>6705273 aren't the calories in coffee more than any thermogenic benefit?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 15:14:25 2015 No.6705322 >>6705302 caffeine addiction isn't a real thing Anyone who claims otherwise has never experienced a real addiction

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 15:14:29 2015 No.6705323 >>6704245 What's wrong with hot caffeinated sugar water, OP? I only like coffee with lots of sugar, but I like the taste of sugar coffee better than soda, and when I'm in the mood for a cold drink I just drink water.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 15:18:58 2015 No.6705330 >>6704393 >*in America Nope, coffee consumption in the US peaked in 1946, 25 years before Starbucks even existed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 15:21:41 2015 No.6705339 >>6704245 >people who portray themselves as coffee purists, dabbling in home-brewing, home-grinding, home-roasting, etc, only bother with it because it makes them feel like a part of something larger, No. people who aren't lazy do this.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 15:24:18 2015 No.6705341 Coffee tastes like shit. I don't blame people for loading it up with stuff that actually tastes good. If I have to drink a cup, I pack it with tons of sugar and creamer.

Anonymous Wed Jul 22 15:24:19 2015 No.6705342

>>6705330
Probably longer than that actually, anyone ever heard of the Boston tea party? Coffee is popular in north America because Britain charged too much tax to purchase tea, forcing north Americans to buy and drink cheap coffee.
And that's where the popularity comes from.
And where's the complaint on how Europeans drink over steeped creamed tea?
Perhaps we all drink coffee loaded with sugar and cream because no one knows how to brew it properly? That's why the British out cream and sugar in their tea, and have done so for quite a long time in fact.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 15:26:19 2015 No.6705347 >>6705322 You can have a physical addiction to caffeine. I know I get headaches if I don't drink coffee in the morning. Sure, it might not be the same as a heroine addiction, but saying you it's not addictive is dishonest.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 15:26:58 2015 No.6705349 >>6705342 >where's the complaint on how Europeans drink over steeped creamed tea? nowhere, ebcause we don't do that. are you thinking about indians?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 15:28:46 2015 No.6705356 >>6705342 Yes this is also true regarding the avoidance of British tea during and in the run up to the revolution. Also contributing to the rise in popularity of coffee was a British ban on exporting tea to the US during the War of 1812.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 15:29:52 2015 No.6705358 >>6704245 >they might as well be drinking soda You know what's funny? A 16 oz caramel frap from Starbucks 400 calories A 16 oz bottle of coke has 182 So you can drink 2 bottle of coke and still have calories left over

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 15:32:42 2015 No.6705364 >>6705322 >i was addicted to something worse than caffeine so caffeine addiction isn't real

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 15:34:50 2015 No.6705369 >>6705322 junkie pls go

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 15:38:12 2015 No.6705381 File: 207 KB, 964x630, 1424199742607.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Other people enjoying things in ways that I disagree with drives me to violent anger

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 15:46:14 2015 No.6705402 Coffee isn't a meme, "I don't like X so other people only pretend to like it to look cool" is a meme.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 16:11:39 2015 No.6705498 >>6704278 >tips fedora because the guy likes coffee Literally 14 years old....

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 16:16:03 2015 No.6705512 >>6705318 >calories in coffee

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 16:23:49 2015 No.6705548 >>6705512 That's the point. The thermogenic benefit is amazingly small.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 16:28:02 2015 No.6705565 Americans are such tools, you can see them in mc donalds and starbuck in Paris.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 16:38:15 2015 No.6705602 >>6705565 How can you tell they're Americans? Because they're white?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 17:20:21 2015 No.6705734 I used to drink coffee but then I realized it wasn't worth the digestive discomfort because I'm not used to loading my body with caffeine first thing in the morning

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 17:20:49 2015 No.6705738 >>6704245 >At what point did coffee become a fashion accessory? Back in the 1700s when Ottoman coffee imports were all the rage amongst the western upper classes sipping away in the newly opened coffee houses?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 17:22:05 2015 No.6705741 >>6705738 this

Anonymous Wed Jul 22 17:34:25 2015 No.6705791

I just make a half pot of coffee at home and usually drink it black when I'm in need of my coffee fix.

Occasionally I'll grab an XLarge Double Double from Timmies and when I lived in Vancouver I'd occasionally treat myself to a caramel macchiato because I like caramel and enjoyed the espresso boost.

I've never really cared about being trendy with coffee.

Anonymous Wed Jul 22 17:45:17 2015 No.6705822

>>6704996
You dumb as fuck if you think you need to spend anywhere near that to get great coffee. You're even dumber if you think that $100 dollar a kilo coffee is even good. Most shit that is sold for that much is sold to rich plebs, shit like dark roasted kopiluwak shit. Even top-tier geisha doesn't even go for that much. Damn you stupid

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 17:58:40 2015 No.6705873 >>6705791 Those are like the trendiest drinks though

Anonymous Wed Jul 22 18:27:31 2015 No.6705993
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>>6705873
Double Double is just the standard, I wouldn't really call Tim Horton's normal coffee trendy. Shit like the Iced Capp and their more premium coffee, sure.

The Caramel Macchiato definitely, but I only ever get it incredibly rarely and it's because I like the caramel/espresso combo - not because it's trendy. I don't ever order anything else from Starbucks.

Anonymous Wed Jul 22 18:45:46 2015 No.6706053

Who caffeine pills here?
Literally 12 cents per 200 mg caffeine, no coffee stains on your teeth, no bad coffee breath, no need to walk/drive around with a cup, no need wait in line at DD, it's the easy life.
If you tell people you take caffeine pills though they flip their shit, really weird.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 18:48:40 2015 No.6706069 >>6706053 Most people drink coffee because they enjoy the taste, not because they need the caffeine. You sound like a junkie, and people react as such.

Anonymous Wed Jul 22 18:51:30 2015 No.6706081

>>6706053
I used to do caffeine pills here and there when I was still working nights and schooling in the morning.

I found they didn't work too well, though it could have just been straight up my body wanting to just sleep.

>>6706069
Also this - it seems like you're just cutting out the middle man. Instead of having a nice drink and getting some energy out of it, you're just taking a pill that will give you a mild cocaine-like stimulant high.

Not saying I agree with the negative stigma, just saying that's usually what it comes down to in most peoples' mind.

Anonymous Wed Jul 22 18:57:41 2015 No.6706100

>>6706069
Well that's dumb. Why load up something with sugar, heavy cream, whipped cream, caramel, and oreos and say you like the taste of coffee? I usually drink coffee black but it took me a while to enjoy the taste.
I just like to control the exact dosage of caffeine I get, with store bought coffee you're never really sure how many cups you'll need.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 18:59:25 2015 No.6706106 >>6706081 >I found they didn't work too well, though it could have just been straight up my body wanting to just sleep. Caffeine is caffeine, it might have been the sugar in the coffee or the temperature of the coffee that woke you up faster.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 19:00:45 2015 No.6706110 >>6706100 >Why load up something with sugar, heavy cream, whipped cream, caramel, and oreos and say you like the taste of coffee? I never said that. >I just like to control the exact dosage of caffeine I get You're a junkie, plain and simple.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 19:02:02 2015 No.6706115 >>6706110 >You're a junkie, plain and simple. Well I guess I'm a junkie for counting calories too.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 19:04:10 2015 No.6706120 >>6706115 And you're an anorexic.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 20:23:22 2015 No.6706338 >>6704245 The best thing is caffeine in headache medication. Got a morning headache (due to caffeine withdrawal). Eat some pills (with caffeine).

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 20:42:47 2015 No.6706405 >>6704245 Women did it, it's their biggest achievement in the past decade. (women are like children when it comes to sweets, and other things in life)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 20:46:01 2015 No.6706416 >>6704286 >you may start to find human behavior endearing. Where the fuck do you think you are?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 20:51:45 2015 No.6706428 I think this is mostly a phenomenon in america and parts of asia where they try and emulate america

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 22 20:58:09 2015 No.6706446 i don't enjoy the taste of coffee, so I drink tea

Anonymous Wed Jul 22 23:21:01 2015 No.6706842

>>6705330
That's what I thought too so I don't understand why anon was saying that mass consumption didn't start until after Starbucks arrived on the scene.

In fact, given that coffee has been well established in pretty much all societies I don't understand how anybody could suggest that it's a modern hipster phenomenon. I think that anybody who does suggest that must be a young person who is just discovering coffee for themselves and is most likely shunned by their peers because what they're effectively saying is:
> all the cool kids are using said product
> I don't fit in so I'll look down on them with a false sense of superiority to justify my uncoolness

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:28:50 2015 No.6707065 >>6704245 probably because of the grunge era in the 90s when coffee and cigarettes became an aesthetic...a component of heroin chic. it's a trend that never completely blew over.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 00:42:11 2015 No.6707083 >>6704245 the 17th century

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 01:04:47 2015 No.6707133

Meh. I'm not a coffee drinker nor much of a tea drinker. My wake-up "drink" is cereal. Usually something hard like wheat nuggets which I have to chew so it wakes me up. I do occasionally drink tea in the afternoon but that's mostly masala chai with milk and sugar and I do it because it tastes complex and sates my boredom if not my appetite. I really don't get why people think tea or coffee must be pure in order to enjoy it. The dominant flavour in a tea is still that of tea and in coffee of that of coffee. just because you add sugar and milk to it doesn't mean you can't appreciate the base flavours. In most cases adding ingredients actually brings out the flavour rather than covering it. At least for tea I really believe that is the case. A bit of milk and sugar actually brings out the flavours. Of course you could drown out the flavour by adding too much bu that's true for anything you make.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 01:11:07 2015 No.6707148 >>6704245 Coffee tastes like absolute shit Tea is a nice subtle flavor, coffee is a strong bitter horrible experience that people force themselves through because they're literally addicted to it after years of conditioning

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 01:13:39 2015 No.6707155 >>6707148 No, that's shitty, over roasted, badly brewed coffee. Which is the most common sort. Try going to a place doing a proper job.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 01:45:19 2015 No.6707219 >>6707148 errrr some of us do not enjoy the earthy taste of tea

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 01:51:29 2015 No.6707232 >>6707148 That's actually how I feel about tea. Bitter shit makes my stomach hurt when I drink it on an empty stomach. I still drink it, after a meal, but I stick to coffee on an empty stomach.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 01:52:15 2015 No.6707234 >>6707133 Shut up

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 01:54:51 2015 No.6707240

>>6707148
>>6707219
>>6707232
>bad things taste bad
Huh, who would have though.

You guys are like people who don't like steak that has been well done, and burnt to a crisp on the outside and then say that steak is shit and everyone who likes it only does because they forced themselves because its cool.

Your tea and coffee tastes like shit because it's being made wrong, with shit ingredients.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 02:00:54 2015 No.6707247 >>6707148 Even the worst coffee is still palatable >nice subtle flavors Wine sommelier bullshit, funny how tea sommeliers are actually becoming a thing

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 02:02:18 2015 No.6707252 >>6707247 Because tea actually does have a ton of flavor depth and variation. You're just a pleb who hasn't tasted enough good tea.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 02:03:18 2015 No.6707255 >>6706243 Paris is blacker than night nowadays

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 02:03:33 2015 No.6707256 >>6707252 I've had nearly every snapple flavor though

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 02:04:28 2015 No.6707258 >>6707065 I live in Starbucks Land. Your post is fucking dead on. Nothing but fucking pretentious coffee houses on every corner from Seattle to Eugene.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 02:06:02 2015 No.6707261 >>6705322 It's a mild "addiction", i put that in quotes because mild physical dependencies are technically not addictions although caffeine has mild addictive qualitues

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 02:07:09 2015 No.6707264 >>6707252 But coffee doesn't for the sake of the argument, right?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 02:07:54 2015 No.6707266 >>6707261 how is freshman year going friend?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 02:15:26 2015 No.6707277 >>6704274 I just use fine ground coffee in an aero press, and hot water.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 02:20:07 2015 No.6707281 >>6707266 It went well 5 years ago, hopefully in 5 years you'll be able to acquire some reading comprehension skills Of course that's unlikely at this point as you're a fucking dumbass

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 02:35:20 2015 No.6707301 >>6704245 JEWS

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 02:52:03 2015 No.6707325 >>6707281 Nice projection, don't forget to get mom to tuck you in.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 07:27:36 2015 No.6707687 Is this the coffee ``general''? Why does microwaved coffee taste differently? How do I reheat coffee properly?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 09:40:42 2015 No.6707846 >>6707687 you don't

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 14:58:47 2015 No.6708624 >>6707687 Reheating coffee properly to preserve taste and freshness is very easy and only requires two basic steps: 1. Pour it down the drain 2. Brew a fresh batch

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:02:29 2015 No.6708636 File: 71 KB, 1024x768, 1429572147733.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6708624 >implying the second step isn't composed of several mini-steps

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:14:26 2015 No.6708663 >>6704251 > Anything that bothers me slightly is a meme

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:22:28 2015 No.6708684 >>6704245 >tfw I'm wearing a mechanical watch, shave with a straight razor, write with a fountain pen, and even I know coffee is hipster shit

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:30:12 2015 No.6708698 >>6707325 Ebin comeback Literally chop off your microcock and fucking shove it up your dumb fucking ass you piece of shit

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:31:45 2015 No.6708703 File: 78 KB, 640x533, 1437256710909.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6708684 >fountain pen The pen is mightier than the katana...

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:33:21 2015 No.6708709 >>6708703 have you ever used one? they aren't fedora at all tbh

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:41:01 2015 No.6708725 Sorry to ask this, but as a British person, I've never understood what Americans mean when they say "Creamer" Do you just mean those little sachets of milk, or does coffee in the US come with something different?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:53:13 2015 No.6708748 >>6704251 Way to use the word meme completely wrong, fucking neo-posters

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:54:43 2015 No.6708749 File: 20 KB, 250x316, creamer-condiment-cups-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6708725 Disposable containers filled with milk, cream, etc.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:55:16 2015 No.6708751 File: 334 KB, 631x720, smug bug.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6704996 >drinking something that costs that much to even taste good

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:55:41 2015 No.6708752 >>6708749 I see. In the UK, we just have milk. America seems weird

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 15:56:31 2015 No.6708755

>>6708725

It means a cream-like non-dairy product that people use in their coffee instead of normal cream from a cow. It's cheaper and doesn't require refrigeration.

>>those little satchets
if it's actual cream or milk, that's what it's called. it's only called "creamer" if it's non-dairy.

>> does coffee in the US come with something different?
Depends on where you go. If it's a cheap place you might get the non-dairy stuff. Any decent coffee shop or restaurant will have actual cream by default.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:03:21 2015 No.6708770 File: 117 KB, 600x356, LondonCoffeeHouse.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6704245 >At what point did coffee become a fashion accessory? in the late 17th century

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:04:07 2015 No.6708774 >>6708755 Just curious, does anywhere use actual cream in their coffee? The closest I've ever seen is half-and-half, but I've never seen anywhere offer actual cream. American by the way.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:06:37 2015 No.6708777 >>6708774 Most of my relatives and a few friends who all drink coffee regularly will have actual cream in the house. I'm Canadian.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:08:39 2015 No.6708781 >>6708752 People in america love guaranteed sanitation, convenience, filling up landfills and not having to wash dishes. It's a cultural thing.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:26:28 2015 No.6708826

>>6708781
This. Would also explain the sudden popularity of Keurig machines. Making coffee normally with a normal coffee machine or a french press takes me like 10 minutes, but people still spend a fuckton of money and use up a shit ton of landfill with these shitty machines and K-cups that shave off only a few minutes of time, and if you're making coffee for a group of people, it takes close to the same amount of time.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:34:34 2015 No.6708854

>>6708826
The K-Cups aren't actually too bad if you separate the coffee in to the green bin and the plastic in to the recycling (though almost no one does), it's the Tassimo that are a fucking nightmare to the environment.

Luckily President's Choice is selling a lot of their K-Cups in biodegradable versions now.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:35:09 2015 No.6708856 >>6707846 >>6708624 Shieet, cleaning the coffee press thingy is such a pain in the rear.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:36:52 2015 No.6708860 I work at a coffee shop and the amount of people that order black coffee with cream is ridiculous.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:42:35 2015 No.6708868 People think that drinking coffee makes you mature.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:44:42 2015 No.6708873

>>6708854
Even though I made mention of the landfill issues, my main issue is just the fact that people buy these bulky machines that really don't save as much time as normal methods of making coffee.

Also separating the coffee into the green bin and plastic into recycling? My office has a keurig machine and I actually do this, and every time I just think to myself
>god damnit, if this was a normal coffee machine I could just dump everything into the green bin and not have to peel this crap off

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:50:24 2015 No.6708886

>>6708873
>my main issue is just the fact that people buy these bulky machines that really don't save as much time as normal methods of making coffee.

Oh, well I certainly agree with your point there.

It reminds me of Back to the Future III where Doc has this giant machine that takes up like an entire room and uses all the energy in the world and the end result is one single ice cube.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 16:55:14 2015 No.6708902 >>6704262 Your tastes develop as you grow up son

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 17:31:18 2015 No.6708999 >>6708854 K Cups are largely not recyclable. They've got an initiative in the works, but it won't be until about 2020 that they're supposedly "all" going to be recyclable.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 17:44:25 2015 No.6709036 >>6704245 >At what point did coffee become a fashion accessory? In the 90's with the proliferation of Starbucks. Same as what Subway did for the sub sandwich, which didn't used to be everywhere.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 17:48:08 2015 No.6709047 >>6704262 Good black coffee is delicious. I have only had blue bottle, which is probably just medium tier, and even that shit was tasty. Damn good capuchino

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 17:49:21 2015 No.6709052 >>6708902 He's also never had good coffee, like most people. Bitterness is generally a mark of overextraction--water is too hot and/or too pure, pressure is too high, extraction time is too long, or quite possibly all four.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 17:51:29 2015 No.6709063 >>6707264 No, coffee absolutely does as well. I actually work in coffee. It's not a either/or situation.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 17:54:28 2015 No.6709069

>>6709063
I'm not sure this misconception will ever go away coffeebro.

The sweet spot for making perfect tea is just so much easier to hit than perfect coffee, and any chain that gets large enough to impact enough people is going to completely lose the ability to make perfect coffee.

I think most of the populace is always going to be doomed to drinking mediocre to shitty coffee.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 18:11:51 2015 No.6709145 >>6709052 >water is too pure What a load of bollocks. Why not blame it on the phase of the moon?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 18:15:11 2015 No.6709157 >>6704245 >those damn c.1600 nomadic Moroccan hipsters ruining their tea with sugar

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 18:21:36 2015 No.6709185

>>6709145
Phase of the moon doesn't have any influence, purity of water does. That's why you use distilled water in chemistry class for some things.

If it makes you feel any better, barometer readings can also alter your extraction at a noticeable level. The sweet spot for coffee that tastes as great as it can is retardedly fine, and the very few establishments in the US that serve coffee that good are very hard to work for.

Seattle Coffee Works, for instance, has a 6 month training program. They also don't hire smokers. Bastards.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 19:05:51 2015 No.6709338 I buy my coffee from McDonald's.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 19:35:40 2015 No.6709420

>A meme (/ˈmiːm/ meem)[1] is "an idea, behavior, or style that spreads from person to person within a culture".[2] A meme acts as a unit for carrying cultural ideas, symbols, or practices that can be transmitted from one mind to another through writing, speech, gestures, rituals, or other imitable phenomena with a mimicked theme.

I'd say, yes, coffee is a meme.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 19:38:03 2015 No.6709425 >>6709420 Yes. And so is putting a fucking tree in your living room every december.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 19:38:59 2015 No.6709431 File: 247 KB, 1425x1426, 71CBMPiXG4L._SL1426_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] pic related > coffee

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 19:40:39 2015 No.6709438

>Most people who drink it load it down with so much sugar and creamer that they might as well be drinking soda.

Stop right there. That's the reason. Soda is getting a reputation for being childish now, so people moving to an equally unhealthy and equally caffeinated drink equivalent like creamy "coffee" drinks makes total sense

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 19:42:03 2015 No.6709447 >>6709431 shut up, junkie

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 20:29:43 2015 No.6709610

>>6709052
Water is probably not going to be too hot, unless you are using espresso machines. Generally, you lose so much heat when pouring water into a vessel and room temperature coffee, that you can use water that is just off the boil.

Water purity will actually LOWER extraction. Magnesium and Calcium are responsible for a good amount of the extraction going on.

Pressure will only increase extraction to an extent, and is probably not the problem.

Extraction time does not matter much at all for immersion brews, so long as there is minimal extraction. It matters more for pour-over/espresso brews.

You missed the most important factors of extraction, though:
Particle size
Agitation
Brew ratio (does not matter unless very extreme for immersion brews)

If you want to lower extraction:
Grind finer, use cooler water, less time (immersion being the exception), less water passing over the grounds.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 20:36:28 2015 No.6709635

>>6709185
Barometric pressure will not make a meaningful difference. This is a myth.

The reason that baristas are going to be changing their espresso grinder grind setting is because:
Coffee acts as if it is more coarsely ground when it is heated. During a busy period in a cafe, this means that the barista must make the grind finer as the burrs heat up from use. The actual particle size distribution does not change.

Blends (commonly used for espresso) contain beans of very different densities. This will lead to different grind distributions (more dense/lighter roasted beans will have a tighter distribution than dark/porous beans), as well as variation from dose to dose.

Most cafes do not weight their doses to 0.1g, which will lead to wildly differing flow rate and extractions.

Some cafes still don't use volumetrics/gravimetrics, and will as a result have large variations in beverage mass and therefore extraction.

Either way, with proper dosing and water measurements, proper bean development, and single origin espresso (or post-roast blended beans, which have been roasted to the same extractability - a very difficult thing to do) you don't really need to change grind size much at all. I find maybe one tick on a 3fe dial on an ek43 from slow to rush is enough. Or a half number on a compak K10.

The rest is black magic, and "The Eye of The Barista" tm.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 20:38:29 2015 No.6709640 >>6709431 seriously that's the best caffiene cheaper than the generics

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 23 20:38:32 2015 No.6709641 >>6709610 >If you want to lower extraction: >Grind finer, Oops, should say coarser. And reverse those parameters if you want a higher extraction.

Anonymous Thu Jul 23 20:40:47 2015 No.6709652

>>6704245
you can apply your coffee standpoint to literature, brand name electronics (phones, laptops, headphones),pop culture tv shows, video games, fashion, music, new cars and literally anything else nowadays

people get or do things to make others impressed with them

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 11:32:10 2015 No.6711475 >>6704258 I agree with him. Beer is nothing more than tolerable too. I wish I had the acquired taste.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 15:11:42 2015 No.6711965 >>6705993 My own clone!

Anonymous Fri Jul 24 21:11:58 2015 No.6712962

Did anyone bother to consider that people just genuinely like the taste of all the special drinks that coffee shops sell? (Frappuccino's, iced capps, etc.) Alot of them have coffee in them, but would taste delicious with or without it. They are literally just tasty drinks.

Anonymous Fri Jul 24 21:17:16 2015 No.6712981

>>6704245
i dont care

i grew up in a country that drinks coffee (and drinks it sweetened), grew up drinking it sweetened, grew up being offered it everywhere i went and people were polite, and now i continue drinking it because thats how its always been

but even i cant stand the "milk fat injected straight into your fat ass-puccino" american girls drink. thats some nasty ass shit right there

>>6712962
yeh, but theyre nasty fatty things. people who drink that on the reg will soon be burdening your country's healthcare systems and costing a fortune for the taxpayer

so, many reasons to find them contemptible

Anonymous Fri Jul 24 21:35:22 2015 No.6713014

>>6704245
I like making my own coffee - it lets me try new blends, roasts, and origins, so I can tweak what I know I like into something better.

Sometimes I'm in the mood for sugarmilk with some coffee for flavour, and sometimes I drink it black. Tonight is probably a cafe cubano kind of night.

There's nobody here to judge me, and if there were, I'd probably just make them a cup too.

I just like coffee... does this mean I have to start wearing plaid and square-ish glasses with thick black rims?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 21:41:17 2015 No.6713023 >>6704245 >At what point did coffee become a fashion accessory? 1629 quit trying to justify your dislike by discrediting everyone else, just be confident in your own tastes and choices

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 21:47:35 2015 No.6713032 >>6704245 When Starbucks offered things that weren't traditional brewed cup of joe. Fraps are sweet and tasty and American loves sugar.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 24 23:25:21 2015 No.6713368 >>6704245 I read on /x/ that decaf is bad and its banned topic on ABOVETOPSECRET anyone know why/have more information?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 01:51:44 2015 No.6713698 Witnessed a pigfat order an iced caramel macchiato. Wasn't satisfied enough so she asked the barista to load it up with more caramel.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 02:13:17 2015 No.6713736 >>6706053 >Not buying caffeine powder What are you, twelve?

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 02:18:25 2015 No.6713744

>>6713368
They decaffeinate coffee with chemicals known in the state of California to cause cancer.

Basically they soak the beans in poison because the poison dissolves the caffeine the best.

However, it's debatable whether they leave a significant amount in the beans, and most studies with the chemical deal with inhaling it, not drinking it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 02:23:18 2015 No.6713749 >>6713744 Thanks! I wanted to know that and you told me. :)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 03:03:01 2015 No.6713810 >>6713744 Post your source for proof.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 03:12:02 2015 No.6713835 >>6713744 What's the name of this so called 'poison' that you speak of?

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 03:42:28 2015 No.6713864

>>6705993

CM is just an upside down vanilla latte with some caramel on top, and one less pump of vanilla. Why not just try a caramel latte?

>>6713698

They're never satisfied, that's why they added the caramel ribbon crunch, because it's literally just more fucking caramel. We might as well give some people the fucking bags and have them chug it straight. They would, too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 04:28:08 2015 No.6713907 File: 58 KB, 1024x768, poisson.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6713744 What is the poison?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 08:55:50 2015 No.6714161 File: 433 KB, 3528x1635, should-i-not-drink-coffee-everyday.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6704245

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 09:55:45 2015 No.6714268 File: 1.27 MB, 480x360, 1409217414337.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6704245 >that full cup of water with all the empty coffee cups

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 11:58:21 2015 No.6714550 File: 92 KB, 334x232, 1431387582736.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6713864 I don't live near a Starbucks anymore, but I'll keep that in mind for next time. Thanks!

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 12:20:33 2015 No.6714612

>>6709610
same thing with brewing beer - the water chemistry also effects what flavour compounds form, are extracted, and are left behind. The simplest way to look at it is that harder water brews a sweeter (less bitter) dark roast, and soft water brews a cleaner, slightly acidic light roast. (calcium, magnesium, and bicarbonate all contribute to a water's alkalinity)

>>6709635
I always thought the eye of the barista was that look we gave customers I didn't want hanging around and talking random nonsense, without necessarily giving an air of rudeness.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 12:36:00 2015 No.6714663 Coffee tastes horrible. Needs lots of sugar and milk for it to taste good. Smells nice though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 12:40:46 2015 No.6714678 >>6714663 All I can recommend is to try a different coffee/grind, or keep doing what you're doing. It's not everyone's cup of... joe?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 12:46:48 2015 No.6714702 >>6704245 yeah, you're the only one who genuinely enjoys coffee. good job. and using a safety razor is GOAT, you fucking faggot. if you were old enough to grow a beard you'd know this.

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 12:50:16 2015 No.6714713

>>6712962
some anon described pretty well it on here sort of recently. these people aren't drinking starbucks to drink coffee per se. they go there for coffee /drinks/. they go there for the milkshake-type things. and they know this. all of the money that starbucks pours into research and development is focused on what are essentially milk shakes. starbucks isn't a coffee joint anymore, and it hasn't been for a long time. anyone with an ounce of lucidity knows this.

just move along and get coffee somewhere else and let fatties fat.

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 12:51:36 2015 No.6714715

>>6713864
I used to serve a girl whose caramel fraps were more caramel than frap.

I literally gave her the bottle to do with as she pleased because she would make me overflow the cup.

"Can you add more please?"
"Not to the inside of the cup. That is as full as it's going to get. You actually have caramel above the straw hole."

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 12:53:35 2015 No.6714720
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I prefer tea. You can judge a persons' personality based on which they prefer; tea or coffee.

Tea drinkers are more laid back, care-free and traditional / conservative.

Coffee drinkers are more active, anxious and progressive / trendy.

The same outlook can be applied to countries where coffee, or tea, is the preferred drink. For example the U.S. (Coffee) and Russia (Tea).

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 12:56:51 2015 No.6714731 >>6714720 >tea vs coffee >third world vs first world gr8 example m80

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 13:01:06 2015 No.6714750 File: 26 KB, 400x306, 1433214876013.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6714720 that is the dumbest thing I have read on /ck/, and this is /ck/ we're talking about

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 16:32:23 2015 No.6715239 >>6713744 There are also methods of decaffeination that only use water.

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 17:01:25 2015 No.6715345

>>6714612
>The simplest way to look at it is that harder water brews a sweeter (less bitter) dark roast, and soft water brews a cleaner, slightly acidic light roast. (calcium, magnesium, and bicarbonate all contribute to a water's alkalinity)

Not true. Calcium bicarbonate contributes to the water's alkalinity, not calcium and magnesium. And the rest you said is not true either. Softer water will extract less, harder water may extract more, and probably has a higher alkalinity. Saying anything beyond that is wrong.

And the eye of the barista is the hand-wave-y voodoo garbage that generally leads to inferior coffee. Things like eyeballing shot volume rather than weighing or using volumetrics, or saying that barometric pressure has any meaningful influence on grind size.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 17:08:17 2015 No.6715366 >>6714720 What happens when a person enjoys both tea and coffee equally?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 17:16:27 2015 No.6715380 File: 668 KB, 1600x1200, 1433719189958.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6705251 >The tough cowboy type fucking kek

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 17:21:30 2015 No.6715395
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>>6704245
That loaded stuff is easily worse than a soda, heck some of those rival in calories stuff like a whopper without any nutritional benefit. You also miss out on feeling full so you go eat something later.

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 17:35:21 2015 No.6715427

>>6715345
Calcium and magnesium are usually present in carbonate and bicarbonate forms (Ca/Mg CO3/(HCO3}2), which do contribute to the hardness and alkalinity.The presence of calcium, magnesium, and carbon dioxide in water will lead to carbonates and bicarbonates, raising the pH.

A higher pH will neutralize acidic compounds extracted out of the coffee, creating magnesium and calcium salts of these compounds in the process. Salts (sodium chloride being the most effective, but calcium salts also working somewhat) block the receptors that give the sensation of bitterness. So, while you may get a better caffeine extraction with harder water, you're also working to block the bitterness of the alkaloid. You'll definitely grab more phenols what with them there potential free radicals in your harder water and all, which will give a stronger "coffee" flavour, and bring out any underlying hints.

Softer water, lacking in these carbonate compounds, will pick up less phenolics, and will also react less with acidic compounds... so your citrusy, tart, light roast can be all it was meant to be.

So where am I wrong? That this doesn't hold true for brewing beer (It does, I work at a brewery these days)? That water chemistry effects what fresh bonds take place, and which old bonds are carried through (you've pretty much agreed to that)? That your dark roast (coffee or beer) will be less puckering when brewed with more calcium carbonate in the water? That soft water brews a nice, tart morning cuppa, given the proper roast and grind to support it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 17:50:45 2015 No.6715471 >>6714720 SO TRUE XDD

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 17:52:57 2015 No.6715475 >>6708709 Yes, they are.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 17:55:52 2015 No.6715484 >>6715475 If you can just pick one up and use it without destroying existence as we know it, you have the right to wear whatever headgear you wish.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 18:13:29 2015 No.6715516 >>6714720 Tea truly is the more sophisticated and intelligent drink reserved for only the truest gentlemen like ourselves. Amen brother. Tea FTW.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 18:21:22 2015 No.6715530 >>6715516 there are reservations on tea?... so what's the stuff in the jar that I pour hot water on when I don't feel like coffee?

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 18:21:24 2015 No.6715531

>>6714720
>Tea drinkers are more laid back, care-free and traditional / conservative.

>Coffee drinkers are more active, anxious and progressive / trendy.

As a guy who has been a barista slash manager for 3 years, I can tell you that this is wrong. It's not as black and white is that.

There are plenty of annoying, bitchy women talking on their iPhone while wearing workout clothing for no reason other than driving around and shopping, who will purchase tea every transaction. A lot of my coffee drinkers actually are very laid-back, cool and calm... I actually have great conversations with a lot of them.

What somebody drinks doesn't necessarily reflect their personalities, at least not in the way you think it does.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 18:38:05 2015 No.6715565 >>6714720 what if someone drinks neither, but lots of alcohol instead?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 18:39:58 2015 No.6715568 >>6715427 I can not find anything anywhere that says that Mg contributes to alkalinity, only that it increases extraction. Please link me some sources. You don't want "tart" coffee (even with a light roast).

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 18:43:08 2015 No.6715574 >>6704253 >not having aged tastebuds some day you'll get to an age where bitter and sour respond like sweet once did when you were a child

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 18:44:10 2015 No.6715577 >>6709145 Distilled water doesn't mix well. You need those little minerals for shit to bind to.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 18:46:05 2015 No.6715582 >>6704996 >being this dumb All you need to do is buy beans freshly roasted. If no one near you roasts coffee, buy green coffee beans and roast them yourself. That's literally 90% of the flavor, is age and quality of roast.

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 18:57:53 2015 No.6715603

>>6715568
Mg ions (Mg+2) will bind to and extract phenols, etc. It, itself, is not necessarily basic. However...

Mg(HC03)2, much like Ca(HC03)2, is a bicarbonate salt. Dissolved in water, they are essentially a _+2 metal ion, and a bicarbonate ion. You can see where I'm going with this, right? Or do you want me to try to write you a full paper before this thread closes?

Some people do like coffee with some tartness and acidity to it - generally clean-if-slightly-bitter on the uptake, with a slightly citrusy, dry finish. A lot of specifically morning/breakfast branded light roast blends are tailored toward this particular flavour profile. It's never been my favourite, but I've had to come up with blends like this (usually with a bit of "smoke", "cocoa" or "nuttiness") for enough customers enough times to look into the how and why of it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 18:58:38 2015 No.6715610 >>6715531 >people are different and act different WHO WOULD'VE THUNK

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 19:01:05 2015 No.6715616

>>6715603
So what you're saying is that magnesium increases extraction and that bicarbonate contributes to alkalinity. I agree with that, which is different than saying that magnesium contributes to alkalinity.

Tart = sour = underextracted = bad
Easy as that
Acidity is only nice when balanced.

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 19:01:56 2015 No.6715618

>>6704253
I used to hate coffee until I was writing my Master's thesis and pulling regular all nighters. My girlfriend has a nice coffee press and grinds her own very nice coffee beans.

She made me a cup to help me stay up and type and I was surprised I enjoyed it. Since then I've learned to appreciate coffee. I prefer her coffee black she makes it so good. Doesn't need anything.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 19:03:28 2015 No.6715621 >>6715610 Yes, thank you for getting the message I was conveying.

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 19:09:57 2015 No.6715640

>>6715616
certain phenols act like tannins, so overextraction, especially of lighter roasts, can also lead to tartness. Caffeine itself is bitter.

Magnesium, as I stated earlier, is generally present in tandem with carbonate/bicarbonate. So while it, by itself is not alkaline, it is indicative/symptomatic of alkalinity. This is why alkalinity and hardness are often used interchangeably when talking about tap water.

Bicarbonate, as a free radical, much like magnesium, as a free radical, help with extraction/binding. Magnesium oxide can act as a catalyst in acid-base reactions... but, to cut the same hair with the same axe you've been swinging, that isn't the same thing as an Mg+2 ion.

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 19:19:27 2015 No.6715656
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I've literally never found the "sweet, fruity" coffee that coffeefags tell me exists and is how coffee is SUPPOSED to taste. All black coffee tastes exactly like the same burnt shit to me. Are they just making it up or

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 19:23:45 2015 No.6715663

>>6715656
Try to find a light-medium roast, get it coarsely ground, and do it up in a french press with water that's about a minute or so off of the boil... about a 1:8-10 ratio of water to grinds. Let it go for 4 mins, and give that a shot.

It is almost never "sweet" per se, but if it's done right, certain flavours that aren't "burned" or "coffee" or "bitter" do become apparent.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 19:57:33 2015 No.6715728 >>6704278 I don't drink coffee everyday, and going to those expensive coffee shops makes me anxious, but those coffee shakes they make is my guilty pleasure.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 19:59:55 2015 No.6715736 >>6715656 >not appreciating the burnt taste >being a girl

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 20:03:32 2015 No.6715746 >>6708748 using meme incorrectly is a meme

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 20:17:49 2015 No.6715780 Coffee and Caffeine are the Poor Man's Amphetamine Git gud kiddos

Anonymous Sat Jul 25 20:20:48 2015 No.6715790

>>6706069
False. Most people are retarded, and don't know why their bodies and brains want things.

They're simply too ignorant and dumb to realize their body craves caffeine

Or they're subhuman amerifats that put sugar or cream in their coffee and are addicted to sugar and fat

You, too, sound like a delusional, retarded, americanfat.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 20:23:03 2015 No.6715794 File: 275 KB, 568x547, 1416533490185.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Holy fuck The autistic foodNEETs of /ck/ are easily triggered over this

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 20:40:39 2015 No.6715836 >>6715790 >>6706069 I drink coffee because I'm tired. I absolutely medicate with it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 23:39:31 2015 No.6716247 >>6715640 Tannins are dry rather than tart. Either way, I appreciate the info dude

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 23:40:40 2015 No.6716250 >>6715663 Don't grind coarse for immersion brews. Especially for a light roast. If you have to do a 10:1 brew ratio to get proper strength, you are underextracting in the extreme.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 23:41:41 2015 No.6716253 >>6715656 You're either getting shit coffee, or brewing it wrong. >>6715736 >thing tastes bad >lol wut u don't like that, ur must be girly lol >not like me, so manly and strong I eat litterla dogshit because so manman grunts

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 23:43:31 2015 No.6716254 don't know, don't care. I will drink coffee out of a rusty bucket as long as it's black

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 23:45:26 2015 No.6716261 >>6716254 Pretty much this. It's not that I don't enjoy finer coffee, I just don't need it. I'm not a snob about it. The only thing that bothers me is why the hell do people get expensive coffee and then ruin it with dairy and sugar?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 23:50:42 2015 No.6716273 >>6716261 >ruin it with dairy and sugar Entirely subjective. Some people like cream and sugar in their coffee, some just like one or the other, some like it black. None of them are ruining anything if they enjoy it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 25 23:57:34 2015 No.6716288 >>6716273 So if I'm sitting down to a ribeye at CUT, you don't think I'm wasting my money if I order it well done and loaded up with A-1?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 00:08:51 2015 No.6716317 >>6716288 except coffee should be served with cream, it pretty retarded to not add cream. It would be like eating a burger without cheese

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 00:10:48 2015 No.6716323 >>6716317 Spotted the lonely troll.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 00:12:53 2015 No.6716330 >>6716288 It's your money. Do whatever you want. It has literally no impact on my life.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 00:16:22 2015 No.6716344 >>6716330 Still doesn't answer the question.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 01:35:49 2015 No.6716584 >>6706081 >>6706106 >Caffeine is caffeine Nope, there's a lot of alkaloids in coffee that contribute to its stimulant properties.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 03:47:43 2015 No.6716846 I just like some iced coffee from Dunkin Donuts, I'm cheap and do not give a fuck

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 03:49:09 2015 No.6716849 >>6716846 I forgot, french vanilla creamer with some sugar is delicious also

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 03:53:11 2015 No.6716864 File: 55 KB, 486x409, dfgb.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >being this mad about drinking coffee.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 14:01:42 2015 No.6718375 >>6704393 >countries other than America are relevant in any way shape or form Kek

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 19:10:41 2015 No.6719353 >>6705322 Dude, it's a physical addiction (and in most cases psychological as well). Just because it doesn't make you wish you were dead when you're having withdrawals doesn't mean it's not a real thing mate.

Anonymous Sun Jul 26 19:57:56 2015 No.6719511

I usually drink around 4-5 cups of cheap coffee a day, mostly black or with a dash of whole milk. I don't know if that's a lot or not.

Then again, I live in Finland where we consume absolutely retarded amounts of coffee per capita. It's coffee all day everyday, everywhere. At home, at work and at social events. I can't even remember when I started, probably back when I was 12-13 or so.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 21:45:20 2015 No.6719767 >>6714720 >The same outlook can be applied to countries where coffee, or tea, is the preferred drink. For example the U.S. (Coffee) and Russia (Tea). Get this shitty Putinist propaganda out of here.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 26 21:49:03 2015 No.6719779 >>6718375 >america sends it's troops fight and to die in countries that aren't relevant topkuk

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 14:28:17 2015 No.6721702 Food is a meme.

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