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ITT: Words plebs use to describe food and/or their flavour

>A marriage of flavors

>> No.6618089

>>6618064
>Herbacious

>> No.6618091
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6618091

>>6618064
anything beyond
>it tastes good
>it doesnt taste good

>> No.6618098

any word to describe how beets taste is a straight up lie unless that word is "shitty dirt"

>> No.6618101

>>6618064
How about groin-grabbingly transcendent?

>> No.6618103

>>6618098

dirt flavour comes from the skin

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>>6618098
That wasn't the question fuckface.

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>earthy

>> No.6618114

>>6618104
>>6618103
>>6618098
FUCK BEETS U FAGIGTS

>> No.6618115

>>6618064
>ITT: people with limited vocabulary and low social standing.

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>>6618064

How about you take this buzzfeed le epic may may gif back to Reddit you fucking faggot.

>> No.6618129

>>6618064
I dunno about plebs but the term "mouthfeel" makes my skin crawl.

>> No.6618185

>>6618064

>notes of sandalwood and OP is a faggot

>> No.6619131

>>6618129
People actually say that? It's called texture you fucks.

>> No.6619138

>>6618064
The only acceptable way to denote taste is whether or not it takes you to flavortown.

>> No.6619149

Decadant
Fall off the bone
Blissful
Guacamole
calling a food/meal "manly"

>> No.6619155

>>6619149
Fall off the bone gets me. Just say tender. It's fucking tender

>> No.6619224

>>6619131
There's a difference there. Every food has an inherent texture with no judgement of quality. Mouthfeel takes into account both the physical and chemical reactions of food in the moth.

>> No.6619232

>>6619224
an example would be different milks
you stick your finger in a glass of 2% milk and then in a glass of whole milk. Feels the same. They have the same texture. Take a sip of each and you'll notice a difference. The whole milk has a creamier mouthfeel that coats the mouth and reacts differently with both your taste buds and saliva.

>> No.6619244

>>6619149
THE BOMB DOT COM

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>"Melt-in-your-mouth"
>Grunting noises while consuming the food, sometimes accompanied by excited pointing to the dish
>Making any kind of noise or odd expression to emphasize that you enjoy the food

>> No.6619263

A trip to flavor town

>> No.6619294

flavortown

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6619296

>>6619244
>THE BOMB DOT COM

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>umami

>> No.6619400

s-sugoi! OISHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII~~~~~~~~ kimo-kimochiiiiiiiiii

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>you can taste the hops

>> No.6619434

>>6618101
I want you to know I got it.

>> No.6619443

>>6618108
Whats wrong with this?

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6619464

>>6619443
for wine:
Tar
Tobacco
Earth
and pic related

>> No.6619469

>describing a plethora of unrelated flavours as tart

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>>6618129
YES. Jesus Christ, we already have a word for this, and it is "texture". When people say "mouthfeel" they sound like fucking Nell.

>> No.6619488

>>6619479
tay ay inda winn

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>>6619260
>>Grunting noises while consuming the food, sometimes accompanied by excited pointing to the dish

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6619517

Decadent. Shut the fuck up.

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6619527

I really like salty food /ck/. Like i cannot get over it I like salty food like i like a cock in my ass i just want to get ove it but i cant what do i do

also umami and gamey and nutty and ballsacky

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6619691

Rustic.

>> No.6619699

>it tastes like cardboard

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>>6619699
Sorry, but some things do taste like cardboard.
Little Ceasar's pizza for example.

>> No.6619723

>>6619149
>>6619155
Falling off the bone isn't the same as tender. It happens as a result of slow and low cooking. Tenderness is usually through high and fast cooking.

>> No.6619727

>>6619443
How else would you describe the flavour turmeric imparts to a dish.

>> No.6619733

>>6618064
I hate the emphasis on complexity of flavor in general. A good-tasting, well-flavored food should have either one very pleasing flavor or a pastiche of flavors that meld together such that they are barely discrete. I don't want to taste nuts and cocoa notes in the cheese I put in my omelettes. I don't enjoy a billion different nuances in my pork. I like salt, I like richness, and maybe one or two accompanying niceties (the minerality of Swiss for example) in my food.
This is very specific, but
>dried fruit
is something that is attached generically to most anything that's supposed to be haute cuisine. I have a feeling that it's not a big deal as a flavor, or nonexistent and completely the artifice of people trying to sound fancy.

>> No.6619781

>>6619727
Pungent.

>> No.6619844

>eggs are "bitter"

>> No.6619881

"Rustic" and "artisan" are two of the most overused words on menus today. So much so that fast food restaurants have started using them. I saw a commercial for "artisan" McDonald's salads or something like that.

I also have noticed a lot of abbreviations around, like "guac" instead of guacamole, or "app" instead of appetizer. Just spell out the fucking words, you illiterate fucks.

>> No.6620007

>unctuous
>creaminess of the cheese
>velvety

>> No.6620018

>umami

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>>6618064
juicy.

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>Rustic
>Artisinal
>Umami
>Earthy
>Gamey
>"Small plates" instead of appetizers
>"Farm-to-table"
>Organic
>Gluten free

>> No.6620065 [DELETED] 

>>6620054
kosher. brooklyn. suck my fat jew dick anon.

>> No.6620075

>>6620054

JUST

>> No.6620078

>>6618064
>X is really a great vehicle to carry X flavors.

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6620086

>>6620054
>this thing tastes like gluten free

>> No.6620095

>>6620086
You can describe food as gluten free you cockslave

>> No.6620098

>>6618089
>he can't taste herbaceous flavors

>> No.6620110

>>6618064
pink, juicy and just beautiful chicken

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>>6620095
It's not a description, it's an analysis. A food item is either gluten free or it isn't.

Call me autistic if you wish but you know I'm right.

>> No.6620205

Sweet and sour

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>>6619260
>>6619493
>>6619294
Do you faggots even know how to eat?

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6620240

>>6619138
>>6620219
did someone say flavortown???

>> No.6620250

>>6620129
Have you ever eaten something that's gluten free, not hipster shit but for celiacs? You can fucking taste bro

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>>6620240
>>6619294

>> No.6620367

>>6619149

>Guacamole

>> No.6620370

>>6620269
holy shit my sides

>> No.6620378

>>6620250

> this apple sure does taste like gluten free
just stop

>> No.6620381

>>6620129
https://www.google.com/search?q=description+definition&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=fs&trackid=sp-006&gws_rd=ssl

>> No.6620393

>>6620381

> I don't like lemons because they leave a nasty gluten free aftertaste in my mouth
at some point you must realize that you just sound retarded.

>> No.6620394

>>6620393
Why do you keep tying everything to taste? You can describe food without describing its taste. Are you really this simple minded, or are you going to claim le ebin trollinski?

>> No.6620396

>>6620394
Give me a legitimate example of using 'gluten free' as a subjective description.

>> No.6620398

>>6620396
>subjective
Why is this suddenly a constraint?

>> No.6620401

>>6620398
Since when is a description a matter of fact?

>> No.6620404

>>6620401
If I say that a box is rectangular, it's suddenly not a description that's a matter of fact?

>> No.6620410

>>6620404
A box is a cube while a rectangle has two dimensions.

Bottom line is that gluten is an ingredient and an item is either free of gluten or it isn't. That a not a subjective matter of opinion. It's a statement of fact. Therfor any mention of gluten (an ingredient) is an analysis, not a description.

>> No.6620413

>>6620410
I'm done with you.

>> No.6620415

>>6620413
I'll take that as a submission.

> no example given

>> No.6620416

>I like food

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6620434

>>6619149
feminine faggot detected

>> No.6620451

>>6620413
lmao

>> No.6620485

>>6618091
But how am I supposed to know what it tastes like? You say it tastes good but you might enjoy eating literal shit fried in baby fat.

Where as if you described something as having a rich, smoky flavour and velvety texture I would immediately know what to expect.

>> No.6620523

>>6619527
salty food is not bad for you unless you have bad kidneys or a bad heart. relax. unless you're fat, that is, in which case you DO have a bad heart and overstressed kidneys

>> No.6620536

>>6620485
And if I describe you as a faggot then I'm correct. It's not a subjective description, but just a matter of fact.

>> No.6620577

>>6618091

>hey anon what does your food taste like?
>it's good

ok

>> No.6620595

>umami

>> No.6620641

"fresh"

>> No.6621082

>>6618064
healthy

>> No.6621098

>>6620075
RAPE

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>>6620434
I'll have a lumberjack breakfast because a man like myself needs a manly breakfast

>> No.6621109

>>6621108
>implying this thread is not for faggoty boys anyway

>> No.6621381

>>6619488
no tay missa chicka pee

>> No.6621391

>>6619517
This one always gets me.

>> No.6621397

>>6619260
I know someone I gotta eat with often who always needs to be making these nasty "mmmmmmmhmhmhmmmmhmmm" noises whenever she eats and likes something which is usually something either disgustingly fatty or sweet too (sometimes both) and then usually accompanies it with something about how sweet and/or tasty it is and how much she loves foods like it. I sometimes I wonder how she is even alive eating the way she does because my body would stage a revolt against me if I had what this person has daily.

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>>6619260
triggered muh misophonia. I will go apeshit if someone does that in front of me, and I almost went on a rampage hearing my SO chew gum.

>> No.6623703

>>6620577
>hey anon what does you food taste like?
>None of your business. Are you trying to detain me?

>> No.6623710

>>6618089
>he can't differentiate between savory and herbaceous.

>> No.6623716

>>6618108
>not liking the taste and smell of soft loam; tilled lovingly with your own hands into a warm healthy garden for your home grown fruits and veggies.

>> No.6623769

>>6620434

>this mass produced snack I bought is marketed at men
>I'm basically living the genetic memory of killing a mammoth with a spear so manly

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>>6619464
What the fuck am I reading?

>> No.6623804

>tart

>> No.6623805

>>6619464
wine tasters are the worst

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>>6619260

>> No.6623823

>>6619699

unless of course, it tastes like processed wood, which is a very real taste that some shit has

>> No.6623837

>>6623823
Why do you eat shit?

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>>6619464
>Tobacco
I have never seen anyone describe wine with tobacco

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>>6618064
>Subtle hints of ______
>Playful _____ notes

>> No.6623859

>>6623851
>i've never been to a party with actual drunk girls who accidentally take a sip from the ash tray

>> No.6623861

>>6623811
this fills me with uncontrollable rage

>> No.6623862

>>6623859
>tripfag
>party with girls
pick one (1)

>> No.6623868

>>6623859
>ash tray
Never tasted cigarette ash, but I would think it tastes nothing like tobacco. The only thing that tastes like tobacco is chew.

>> No.6623872

>>6623868
When I say ash tray, I refer to the glass of backwash left sitting that eventually becomes an ashtray.
There's usually a couple cig butts in there.

>> No.6623873

>>6623811
Jesus Christ, there's no sound but I can still fucking hear it.

There was a guy I used to work with who'd chew with his mouth open. He was also a fucking pig. Whenever someone brought in food, he'd grab some whenever he went past and sit at his desk making wet chewing sounds. It was horrendous.

>> No.6623874

>>6623703
why are you accusing me of detaining you while we're just hanging out at this restaurant?

>> No.6623875

>>6623872
Would that taste anything like tobacco? Cigarettes don't even taste like tobacco to me.

>> No.6623880

>>6623875
I wouldn't know. Haven't tasted it personally.
Maybe they described it as such as an association thing.

>> No.6623893

>>6623875
no, it wouldn't it would taste like ass

>itt are retards who think the taste of tobacco is the same as the tast of ash or cigarettes at all.

it's not.

>> No.6623897

>>6623880
it's a joke

>> No.6623898

>>6623897
haha

>> No.6623904

>>6623898
d-d-d-d-dont laugh at me :^(

>> No.6623905

>>6623898
fuck off

>> No.6623906

>>6623904
I wasn't.

>> No.6623907

>>6623905
>hey guys plz include me too xd

>> No.6623920

>>6623907
what the fuck is going on

>> No.6623925

>>6623920
memes you dip

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>>6620240
>I'm taking a bite of the Mona Lisa

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>>6623811

>> No.6624005

texture
spicy
explosion

>> No.6624015

>>6619131
How would you describe the "texture" of water? How about bourbon? Wine?

They all feel very different in your mouth, but not in the sense that their textures are different. Hence, "mouth feel."

>> No.6624016

Gay shit like this:
>a menage a trois of flavour
>food-gasm
>better than sex
>sinfully decadent

>> No.6624036

>>6620240
>those are the culinary buoys in the shipyard of Flavortown

sides.exe

>> No.6624055

>>6619224
>>6619232
>>6624015

>mouthfeel h8rs BTFO

>> No.6624078

>>6624015
How would you describe the "mouthfeel" of water? How about bourbon? Wine?

How does using a stupid fucking word for it change the problem?

>> No.6624081

>>6624078
You're a fucking spastic, son.

>> No.6624091

>>6624078
>how does a word for describing this thing, change the problem of how to describe that thing

oh my god what the fuck is wrong with you

>> No.6624100

>>6624081
>>6624091
Oh. Then I'll just call it "wergleflug".

"The wergleflug of this ice cream is great!"

Oh yeah that totally solves the issue, I see now.

>> No.6624110

>>6624100
>doesn't understand how words work
yeah, you could call it wergle flug or whatever the fuck you want to call it, but the thing is that people understand that concept as being described with the word "mouthfeel", that's the way language conventions work, they're fucking arbitrary, but you just follow what others have established through usage.

>> No.6624114

>>6623851
one of the classic aromas of a well aged bordeaux or cabernet is cigar box

>> No.6624118

>>6624110
People understand what's being described with the word "texture" and nobody but pretentious fucks need a new word that does precisely the same thing.

>> No.6624122

>>6624118
>precisely the same thing.
pleb confirmed

>> No.6624123

>>6624100
Oh then I'll just call taste "wergleflug"

"The wergleflug of this ice cream is great"

Oh yeah that totally solves the issue.

>the term describes something that is a purely subjective human concept that can't be explained to someone who has never perceived it
>therefore we can't describe it using words
fucking retard

>> No.6624125

>>6624118
it's not the same thing, that's what

>>6619232
>>6619224
>>6624015

tried to clarify, respond to that first before you make stupid comments about other things

>> No.6624140

>>6624015
>They all feel very different in your mouth, but not in the sense that their textures are different. Hence, "mouth feel."

Why not just use "feeling" then? Do you also say fingerfeel when you touch something with your hands? No, because that's fucking stupid. Mouthfeel is a stupid word, and only stupid people use it.

>> No.6624154

>>6618089
More like
>Herbalicious!

>> No.6624175

>>6624140
>Why not just use "feeling" then?

Because that implies emotion.

Are you seriously sperging out over the term "mouthfeel"?

>> No.6624178

>>6624125
>it's not the same thing

Then explain the "mouthfeel" of skim milk v's semi-skim milk. Without using the word "texture".

>> No.6624184

>>6624175
When one touches something, one is "feeling" it. It in no way implies emotion.

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>>6624178
dude I'm fucking agreeing with you I'm saying texture and mouthfeel are not the same'

>:(
>mfw even those I agree with attack me for things I didn't say

>> No.6624192

>>6624184
put when someone is describing something, they would say it's, for example, that it is "soft to the touch."

>> No.6624195

>>6624192
"It feels fuzzy", "It feels warm", "It feels sticky"

>> No.6624199

>>6624188
>I'm fucking agreeing with you
>I'm saying texture and mouthfeel are not the same'

Except I'm saying they ARE the same thing. Hence we are disagreeing.

>> No.6624201

>>6624199
but they are not the same thing

>> No.6624210

>>6624201
So, like I said, explain the "mouthfeel" of skim milk v's semi-skim milk. Without using the word "texture".

>> No.6624217

>>6624195

ok so how would you describe those same things for in your mouth?

>> No.6624218

>>6624210
I'm not the anon you are dicktouching with, but I don't think he will be able to, much like you cannot explain red and blue to a blind person.

>> No.6624220

>>6623874
I'M NOT AT A RESTAURANT I'M TRAVELING

AM I BEING DETAINED?

>> No.6624222

>>6624210
idk about skim vs semi-skim but whole milk has a creamier and heavier mouthfeel than 1% or low fat

>> No.6624228

>>6624220
Jim calm the fuck down, why do you do this every goddamned time we go to Applebee's? I swear to god you're fucking senile or something.

>> No.6624238

>>6624222
So let's see what happens when we replace a pointless made up word with the word you should have used:

"Whole milk has a creamier and heavier texture than 1% or low fat"

Well would you fucking look at that?

>> No.6624243

>>6624238
>except texture describes the way something looks and feels physically vs it's weight.
whole milk and 1% milk feel exactly the same to your fingers and your hands and look identical, the only place they feel different is in ur mouf because of idk some chemical shit

>> No.6624247

>>6624238
double plus good point you have there, anon.

>> No.6624248

>>6624243
>Texture only applies to thing you touch with your hands

No one could possibly be this retarded.

>> No.6624250

>>6619131
Thin liquids do not have a truly discernible texture, but they can have a rich mouthfeel, which is generally a result of well incorporated sugars or proteins, and sometimes fats. It can also be used to describe the finishes of many things, like the fact that many things laden with shortening will have a terrible mouthfeel due to leaving a coat of greasy film all over.

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6624251

>I am a ginger junkie
>ginger junkie
>junkie
Fuck you!

>> No.6624257

>>6624248
mouthfeel is not about the physical characteristics of something (texture) it is about the physical characteristics in combination with chemical characteristics ( how easily it breaks down in your mouth contributes to how creamy/heavy it feels) retard

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>>6624238
NO YOU NIGGER
whole milk and skim milk have the SAME texture
whole milk and skim milk have DIFFERENT mouthfeel

If you can't understand that, you are a retarded pleb. Enjoy your tendies and Gatorade.

>> No.6624264

>>6624257
>>6624262
Then, for the last time, explain the "mouthfeel" of skim milk v's semi-skim milk. Without using the word "texture".

>> No.6624274

>>6624264
I just did it in this fucking post

>>6624222

stop asking me to do the same things over and over again

and sorry I'm not a middle aged upper-middle class white woman with an autistic son so I don't know what fucking skim milk tastes like or what the difference between skim and semi-skim are

>> No.6624277

>>6624264
one is CREAMY due to EMULSIFIED FATS
one is LESS CREAMY due to FEWER EMULSIFIED FATS
you are a NIGGER due to RETARDATION

>> No.6624279

>>6624274
No you didn't. You just replaced the word "texture" with "mouthfeel". Your description offers no additional information or description than if you used the word "texture". It's entirely meaningless.

if that's the best you can manage that's truly pathetic.

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>>6624279

>> No.6624287

>>6624282
>I can't answer him
>I know, I'll call him autistic! That'll do it!

So basically "mouthfeel" is meaningless and every attempt to use the word has failed? Thanks for proving my point guys. I didn't even need to lift a finger.

Now that we're all agreed I'll be sure to point out the unnecessary use this word in future.

>> No.6624295

>>6624287
YOU ARE A NIGGER AND A HALF
It's been explained 10 times. Your autism will not allow you to process this, just like a deaf person does not know the difference between a clarinet and flute. I'm sure you are a terrible burden on your parents.

>> No.6624301

>>6624287
bruh just read the wikipedia article.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouthfeel
texture is a component in mouthfeel, with other sensations. dont be a cunt

>> No.6624302

>>6624279
stop taking me in this fucking stupid circle of asking me what the difference is, then I prove it to you, then you ask me for an example, and then you tell me there is no difference.

I will explain it for the fucking last time.

There is a distinction between texture which describes the physical properties of a food, meaning how rough it is, how heavy it is, how it feels to the touch, bumpiness, etc., and the chemical properties, meaning how it breaks down in your mouth. Although whole milk and skim milk may have the same physical appearance and feel the same to the touch, your mouth has more complex receptors than the touch receptors of your fingers and hands, things that break down differently, feel differently in your mouth, things that have different chemical compositions, disregarding how your taste buds perceive them, feel different in your mouth and in your throat, because of the process of your saliva breaking it down

>> No.6624304

>>6624279
and if you ask me to give you a specific example of this then please fucking kill yourself because I already fucking did jesus christ

>> No.6624307

>>6624295
>It's been explained 10 times

No it hasn't. People like you have raged and whined, and then completely failed to come up with any sensible description that isn't just "It's texture is different".

The fact that you can't even understand this just underlines how stupid the people who use that word really are. You only use it to sound pretentious, not because it carries any meaning. How could it? You don't even know what the word means.

>> No.6624310

>>6624295
>>6624301
>>6624302
MOUTHFEEL DENIERS
B T F O
T
F
O

>> No.6624314

>>6624307
PLS SEE THIS
>>6624301
>texture is a component in mouthfeel, with other sensations. dont be a cunt

>> No.6624315

>>6624307
jesus christ how many fucking times do we have to explain this, the wikipedia article outlines a number of properties that are unique to mouthfeel, and are unrelated to texture.

Cohesiveness: Degree to which the sample deforms before rupturing when biting with molars.
Density: Compactness of cross section of the sample after biting completely through with the molars.
Dryness: Degree to which the sample feels dry in the mouth.
Fracturability: Force with which the sample crumbles, cracks or shatters. Fracturability encompasses crumbliness, crispiness, crunchiness and brittleness.
Graininess: Degree to which a sample contains small grainy particles.
Gumminess: Energy required to disintegrate a semi-solid food to a state ready for swallowing.
Hardness: Force required to deform the product to given distance, i.e., force to compress between molars, bite through with incisors, compress between tongue and palate.
Heaviness: Weight of product perceived when first placed on tongue.
Moisture absorption: Amount of saliva absorbed by product.
Moisture release: Amount of wetness/juiciness released from sample.
Mouthcoating: Type and degree of coating in the mouth after mastication (for example, fat/oil).
Roughness: Degree of abrasiveness of product's surface perceived by the tongue.
Slipperiness: Degree to which the product slides over the tongue.
Smoothness: Absence of any particles, lumps, bumps, etc., in the product.
Uniformity: Degree to which the sample is even throughout; homogeneity.
Uniformity of Bite: Evenness of force through bite.
Uniformity of Chew: Degree to which the chewing characteristics of the product are even throughout mastication.
Viscosity: Force required to draw a liquid from a spoon over the tongue.
Wetness: Amount of moisture perceived on product's surface.

there you go, concrete fucking examples of properties that are exclusively mouthfeel

>> No.6624317

>>6624302
>Although whole milk and skim milk may have the same physical appearance and feel the same to the touch

But they don't. I mean seriously, even a paraplegic could dip their fingers into a glass of milk and rub them together and feel the difference in fat content.

>your mouth has more complex receptors than the touch receptors of your fingers and hands

So what you're saying is, the mouth is more sensitive. Okay, I agree. However it's still sensing the same thing: touch. The texture.

>> No.6624321

>>6624317
FUCKING READ ANY OTHER REPLY ON THIS BOARD YOU NIGGERSHIT

>> No.6624323

>>6624317
except it's not sensing just the same things, you are also sensing all of these
>>6624315
things

>> No.6624324

>>6624301
>>6624314
>>6624315
>Using Wikipedia as an authoritative source

Any of you fags could have written that page. I could write a page describing what a wergleflugger is. It wouldn't make it true.

>> No.6624327

>>6624315
this post unequivocally proves mouthfeel, unless someone can dispute this post, then mouthfeel deniers have been BTFO

>> No.6624328

>>6624323
You do not have 17 additional senses.

>> No.6624330

>>6624317
have you ever considered that if YOU can't experience something, but others can, maybe it's YOU that are incorrect? You don't have proof that the concept doesn't exist, just that you assume others can't experience it.

>> No.6624334
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6624334

>meal
>noms
>yummy

>> No.6624335

>>6624324
Oh my god, irregardless of your fucking stupidity for not understanding that wikipedia is one of the most reputable sources of information on the internet (guess what anybody can fucking pay $3 for a domain name and hosting and have some fucking website, anyone can do fucking anything), stop spewing shit your 4th grade teacher told you about wikipedia

regardless of the authenticity of wikipedia as a source of information, that article describes a series of properties, and those properties are external to texture, how do you explain those properties, and what category do they fit under? how is it unfair for someone to say texture does not describe these properties, and this term wergleflag, does. The point is you're doing this fucking mental doublething. You ask me for distinctions, and I give you a whole fucking list, you ask me for examples and I give them to you. And then you run back to screaming that there is no distinction, or spewing some shit about the invalidity of wikipedia.

>> No.6624340

>>6624324
>LE WIKIPEDIA IS NOT AUTHORITATIVE MEME
cmon now that is the white flag of defeat
http://people.brandeis.edu/~sekuler/SensoryProcessesMaterial/rheology.html
B T F O
T
F
O

>> No.6624343

>>6624330
>if YOU can't experience something, but others can, maybe it's YOU that are incorrect

So unless you have synesthesia, you're abnormal?

>> No.6624344

>>6624328
the human body has literally thousands of senses. All of those things are sensations that may be the product of two or more simpler senses working together, but all of those are subjective human sensations that can't be perfectly described to someone who has never perceived those things.

>> No.6624349

ITT: MOUTHFEEL DENIERS GET BTFO

vaccinate your kids

>> No.6624350

>>6624335
>wikipedia is one of the most reputable sources of information on the internet

Hahahaha, oh wow. Is this level of intelligence normal for people who talk about "mouthfeel"?

>It's on the internet, it's must be true!

Fuck me, you're so retarded I don't think I can bring myself to even talk to you any more. It's like asking a 2 year old to explain Newtonian Mechanics. You don't even know what you don't know.

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6624355

>>6624344
>the human body has literally thousands of senses

It just keeps getting better and better!

>> No.6624358

>>6624350
>>6624355

RESPOND TO THE FUCKING POINT IM MAKING INSTEAD OF WHATEVER OTHER BULLSHIT YOU'RE TRYING TO DISPUTE

jesus christ what the fuck does it take, you asked me for the fucking difference and I gave you the list, respond to that, respond to the fact that there is a whole list of properties that texture does not describe and that mouthfeel does

>> No.6624360

I can stand when someone uses "delicious" to describe anything other than food or drink.

>> No.6624365

>>6624360
b-b-b-but anon

>what about these delicious memes

>> No.6624374

>>6624365
Delicious tears of mouthfeel deniers

>> No.6624379

>>6624358
>respond to that

Why? It's bullshit and your only source of authority for it is "It's on Wikipedia", which is also bullshit. You literally have nothing that requires a response. You may as well demand I prove that there isn't a pink teapot in orbit around the sun. It's something you've invented and there is no intellectual basis that requires me to disprove such an outlandish claim that has no supporting evidence from your side.

>> No.6624387

>>6624379
>le teapot argument :^)

Oookay Chief Fedora, you might as well said "prove the Easter Bunny", which is the one Richard Dawkins prefers. Only he says "Estuh Bunneh".

>> No.6624390

>>6624302
>how heavy it is
That's not even part of texture, is it? Texture is just surface, isn't it?

>> No.6624393

>>6624379
if you weren;t a retarded monkey with a stick inside of your asshole, you would see that wikipedia has cited two rheology experts on that subject. The point is language is subjective, and at first you were arguing there is no difference, and now you've changed the plot saying there is no authority to show that this is objectively true. The point is that there is a difference between the two, and that those who use the word are aware of the differences, and so it communicates something meaningful among all who use the word, because all who use the word know about this meaning of it, which you refuse to accept.

>> No.6624395

>mfw I'm still going to laugh in the faces of those who say "mouthfeel" in real life, and tell them they sound like beer drinking fedora tippers

>> No.6624397

>>6624393
>The point is that there is a difference between the two

Except there isn't.

>those who use the word are aware of the differences, and so it communicates something meaningful among all who use the word, because all who use the word know about this meaning of it
>muh special secret hipster food club

Oh God, I bet you all drink IPA's too.

>> No.6624399

>>6624390
sorry, I made a mistake, texture is just the surface.

>>6624397
I gave you a list of differences, and everyone else in this thread agreed on a number of these differences.

Cohesiveness: Degree to which the sample deforms before rupturing when biting with molars.
Density: Compactness of cross section of the sample after biting completely through with the molars.
Dryness: Degree to which the sample feels dry in the mouth.
Fracturability: Force with which the sample crumbles, cracks or shatters. Fracturability encompasses crumbliness, crispiness, crunchiness and brittleness.
Graininess: Degree to which a sample contains small grainy particles.
Gumminess: Energy required to disintegrate a semi-solid food to a state ready for swallowing.
Hardness: Force required to deform the product to given distance, i.e., force to compress between molars, bite through with incisors, compress between tongue and palate.
Heaviness: Weight of product perceived when first placed on tongue.
Moisture absorption: Amount of saliva absorbed by product.
Moisture release: Amount of wetness/juiciness released from sample.
Mouthcoating: Type and degree of coating in the mouth after mastication (for example, fat/oil).
Roughness: Degree of abrasiveness of product's surface perceived by the tongue.
Slipperiness: Degree to which the product slides over the tongue.
Smoothness: Absence of any particles, lumps, bumps, etc., in the product.
Uniformity: Degree to which the sample is even throughout; homogeneity.
Uniformity of Bite: Evenness of force through bite.
Uniformity of Chew: Degree to which the chewing characteristics of the product are even throughout mastication.
Viscosity: Force required to draw a liquid from a spoon over the tongue.
Wetness: Amount of moisture perceived on product's surface.

>> No.6624402

>>6624393
You know that feeling when you touch both ends of a battery to your tongue? That's now called a "volt tingle". I'm one of the only people who can detect the small discharge of a totally empty battery, so I can use the word in ways others can not.

>> No.6624405

>>6624399
>I gave you a list of differences,

No, you copy & pasted from a Wikipedia page.

>Cohesiveness
>Density
>Dryness
>Fracturability
>Graininess
>Gumminess
>Hardness
>Heaviness
>Moisture absorption
>Moisture release
>Mouthcoating
>Roughness
>Slipperiness
>Smoothness
>Uniformity
>Uniformity of Bite
>Uniformity of Chew
>Viscosity
>Wetness

Do you know what those things all have in common? They're all functions of texture.

>> No.6624418

>>6624399
You're a fuckhead. Everything in this list makes it so you don't even have to say "mouthfeel" in the first place. Its just a fucking generic way of describing something for simpleton fuckheads such as yourself.

>> No.6624430

Mouthfeel begs the question of "what does the food feel like in your mouth?" It doesn't actually describe anything.

>Hey Jim, the mouthfeel of the steamed carrots is amazing!
>Wow Hank, what do they feel like?

>> No.6624436

>>6624402
sure, you can try to use that word, and if others use it, it will become a convention of language, look up neologism, you obviously don't know how language works, as I've already explained this to you.

>>6624405
really, you want to cite a source that shows that? and I'm not just saying this to be cheeky like you are

>muh wikipedia not a source meme

I'm saying that because I know for a fact the majority of those have nothing to do with texture. Texture describes the surface of an object, the hardness, gumminess, and heaviness, and viscocity and mouth coating, and moisture absorption/release of a food have nothing to do with texture

are you going to argue that the sensation of moisture release from a food when bitten is an example of texture? or that the absorption of moisture is texture? or that the coating of your mouth in flavor is texture?

ok

>> No.6624439

>>6619424
When used as a catch all term by retards who have heard the word "hops" in conjunction with "craft beer" a few times, and as such assume "craft beer is hops" this gets me pretty pissed.
That said, to deny hops affecting beers flavour = dumbshit

>> No.6624456

>>6624436
>hardness, gumminess, heaviness, viscocity...have nothing to do with texture

3. the characteristic physical structure given to a material, an object, etc., by the size, shape, arrangement, and proportions of its parts:
soil of a sandy texture; a cake with a heavy texture

All of those things in the list are descriptions of the "characteristic physical structure given to a material".

>> No.6624491

>>6624456
>moisture absorption
>moisture release
the one I was talking about earlier in particular was
>cohesiveness which relates to how something will break down with only saliva

>> No.6624502

Texture is a part of mouthfeel, but not all of it. This is part of the issue. I don't know why a few of you are hung up on it meaning something exclusive of the other. There are so many sensations that come into play in the mouth that it can and often does create something worthy of its own vocabulary.
take:
http://mouthfeelwheel.com/
for example
while pretty good, it's still lacking in all that can be encompased by describing an overall mouthfeel, as it does little to address how aromas and flavors (often stongly linked themselves) can affect the perception of feeling in the mouth.
for example:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0950329315000956

>> No.6624885

bump

>> No.6624910

>>6624355
Sense of time
sense of temperature
sense of direction
sense of balance
sense of hearing
sense of sight
sense of taste

I don't know about "thousands" but there are at least 20. There's a reason the five senses are called five MAIN senses by some.

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6624934

Artisan

>> No.6624935

>>6618064
Is this a guy fieri thread?

>> No.6624958

>>6623131
>misophonia

Me too. Strongest impulse reaction I possess, and I'll flip.

>> No.6624973

>>6618064
>handmade
>all natural
>xXx_EXTREME_xXx

but my worst peeve:
some arbitrary foreign language word applied to anything intending to signify that it is in the style of the foreign languages region, or has some sort of inspiration from it
>fiesta! mix
frozen black beans, corn, bell pepper, and onion
>aloha pork loin
pineapple stuffed, sold with sweet rolls if they're really in the know
>Tuscan
some vaguely Italian herb blend and balsamic vinegar

>> No.6625008

It makes me moist. As in excuse me, I'm about to shit my pants.

>> No.6625067

>>6618064
"Scrumptious" is a fucking retarded word.

>> No.6625132

Scrumptious
Nectarous
Toothsome
Titalating
Luscious
Piquant

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>>6620240

>> No.6625160

>>6618108
For beer yes

>> No.6625163

Describing something as "Nutty"

>> No.6625780

>>6625163
what would you prefer?
>like a grain mix that has been evenly toasted

>> No.6625807

>>6618064
>nutty
>earthy flavor
everytime. stop doing it. find another word

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6625823

> Gamey

What the FUCK does that actually mean?

Whenever someone says it, everyone goes quiet as if that's the end of it. I think everyone doesn't know what it means.

>> No.6625824

>>6625823
They're actually saying "gay me," as in "do something gay to me" or "make me a gay."

>> No.6625828

>>6625823

it's the strong musk taste that a lot of game meats have isn't it?

What I don't understand is why people apply it to things that just have a strong flavor.

>> No.6625830

>>6619723
>I know nothing of cooking

>> No.6625831 [DELETED] 

>>6625823
Ever eaten goat? That's gamey.

>> No.6625850

How does "describe the mouthfeel," differ from "describe how it feels in your mouth?" Yes, one is marginally quicker to say and uses less words, but it also makes me want to spit the food in the face of the pretentious asshole saying it.

Anyone can describe a mouthful of food just as well without using the word "mouthfeel." It's a redundant, pointless word that I can't imagine someone hearing without cringing.

It sounds like it was invented by a high school kid who was doing food tech homework and couldn't think of the word "texture," and then it was given it's unique meaning by a teacher who blindly assumed it was a real word.

Yes, "mouthfeel" does have meaning amongst those who use it, but then so do "YOLO," "nom," and "totes amazeballs." They're all silly to most people but "mouthfeel" is actually taken seriously by the people who use it, which makes it all the more embarrassing.

>> No.6626287

> Ctrl + F
> No paleo

How can you hate gluten-free without also despising paleo? At least gluten-free started with a disease, even if it has spiraled out of control. Paleo is just a stupid idea somebody came up with.

>> No.6626290

>yummy

>> No.6626292

>>6625850
>but it also makes me want to spit the food in the face of the pretentious asshole saying it.

Why? What makes you automatically assume the person is pretentious rather than just just using different terminology than you?

>> No.6626294

>>6626287

I see them the same way.

Gluten-free started out as a diet required by people with a certain medical condition and was taken too far.

Likewise the core idea of paleo--avoiding processed foods & artificial additives--is solid too, but like any fad diet people took it to the extreme.

>> No.6626357

>>6620410

de·scrip·tion
dəˈskripSH(ə)n/
noun
1.
a spoken or written representation or account of a person, object, or event

Example:

If I were describing you, I'd say you're a faggot who likes cocks up his ass. That is a fact, but it's also a description.

>> No.6626389

>>6626357
>responding to a post three and half days later.
that conversation is done and dusted, champ.

even a product description can be considered as a product analysis.
op mentioned the word flavour and then used that same word (flavour) again in his example. this sets the precedence for the thread and using "gluten free" to describe a flavour profile is more retarded than youre bloodline.

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>>6626389

>more retarded than youre bloodline
>youre bloodline

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>>6626394
that's the metric spelling.

>> No.6626422

>>6626414

>you are bloodline

>> No.6627236 [DELETED] 

>>6626422
Yep, Metric. Eurocucks are retarded.

>> No.6628765

>>6619517
Remove decadent kebab

>> No.6628873

>>6624350
>wikipedia
>reputable
Holy shit son. Your arguments already showed you were a little bit special but damn, you are full-on short bus.

>> No.6629393

>>6623811
This only annoys me because that guy looks like a fag.

>> No.6629411

>>6626422
>being this new

>> No.6629447

>>6619260
tfw king jack does this in every video

>> No.6629460

I really, really, really hate the word flavorful. Just fuck off.

>> No.6629497

>>6625850
>describe how it feels in your mouth
That is essentially what it is, but in more words and less meaning. There is the connotation that mouthfeel takes into account the other sensory inputs as a part of the sensation of touch. For instance, something that has a high acid content can feel more dry in your mouth, among other sensations. Something that has a higher alcohol content can feel more hot among other sensations. It's not that the substance actually is more dry or more hot, and it's not the acidity or alcohol content alone that causes you to perceive them as such, but a combination of all the factors of the substance, all to describe something that otherwise might feel the same.

>> No.6629581

"Melts in your mouth"

This fucking annoys me. Unless it's something like chocolate (and even then it's unnecessary) you're a retard for describing food that way.

If a piece of meat melted in your mouth it would be a very disgusting sensation and you'd probably vomit.

>> No.6629674

>>6618064
>A marriage of flavors
I hate when this means more than two flavours. It can make sense when it's two that aren't usually seen together.
Now these flavours can be of same sex, I don't care

>> No.6629712

Veggies
Yummy (or god forbid 'nummy')
Mouthfeel (I don't care how legitimate it is. It makes me think of downs syndrome kids.)
'It fills me up' (as opposed to 'it's filling')
Veggies
'It has a good flavor' (only acceptable if English is not your first language.)
Food porn
Veggies
Om nom nom
Veggies
Veggies
Veggies
>autism intensifies

>> No.6629719

>>6629712
Anything rachel ray says

>> No.6631744

the phrase "yummy in my tummy" makes me want to rip off people's heads.

>> No.6631757

>>6629712
>Yummy (or god forbid 'nummy')
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQi686uL6PU

>> No.6631861

>>6629712
>he doesn't like yummy veggies

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>>6623811
This is quite literally the reason I can't watch Mark Wien's videos anymore. The food is incredible and amazing looking, but then he does that fucking mugging for the camera and it makes me want to punch him. And he does it after every fucking bite.

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>>6624140
Because the English language is a roiling clusterfuck of half a dozen or so other languages, and thus we have to use associations like connotations and grammatical descriptors like adjectives to be more specific in our syntax. The word 'Feel' by itself has too many potential meanings by itself, so we add additional words around it to narrow the focus of our meaning, so that we convey the intended message to others.
It's simple linguistics, Anon. Sorry you're too fucking stupid to understand that.

>> No.6632013

>>6619781
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pungency
lol okay m8

>> No.6632080 [DELETED] 

>>6631971
>one basic word that can be adjusted with adjectives is worse than just having a new word for everything
Yurocucks everyone, I bet he doesn't even sort his images either.